Speaker 1: Better than the legal better than now before we talk
Speaker 1: about origin and clubs on the on the run home
Speaker 1: another immortal about to be named. The rules once worthy
Speaker 1: had to be five years retired. They've reduced that now
Speaker 1: to three years. So players like Thurston, camp Smith, Slater,
Speaker 1: your good self.
Speaker 2: Are available for selection. Give me power to do that?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Brother Stampton?
Speaker 2: The reduction?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Coops, because the concept originally started was
Speaker 1: regular geek who did it? But I was I think
Speaker 1: it was I had something to do with might have
Speaker 1: been Penfold's wine.
Speaker 4: So you have to be Hall of fame first before
Speaker 4: a mortal, right, and they've just changed that from five.
Speaker 3: Years to three years.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Jesus some good players through the generation that
Speaker 4: would absolutely deserve being.
Speaker 1: Give me five in your opinion, that deserve consideration.
Speaker 4: So I'll go sort of my generation of the one
Speaker 4: I understand. So I'm not going to go back early
Speaker 4: days to know what the great Coat and everything did,
Speaker 4: So I going to go Fittler and Lockier. I think
Speaker 4: what Phittler did as a young star and the competition
Speaker 4: captain in Australia arguably in the conversation New South Wales's
Speaker 4: greatest even players luckier for me dominated the game at
Speaker 4: two positions full back five eighty was the best at it.
Speaker 4: And then you talk about I understand why some commentary
Speaker 4: is around that you can't have a certain amount of
Speaker 4: players from the same generation in the same induction.
Speaker 3: But I argue, if they're the best of what they've.
Speaker 4: Done, just throw them at like even if there's ten like,
Speaker 4: if they're the best of what they've done, do it.
Speaker 3: But JT.
Speaker 4: Smith, Slater, Smith and Slayer the best dummy half and
Speaker 4: Slater fullback you'll see and he's in a conversation with
Speaker 4: your brothers the best half back. So those fit are
Speaker 4: unlucky at the same time. But Smith, Slater and Thurston
Speaker 4: absolutely And for me on.
Speaker 1: The five, I've picked the sort of from different generations,
Speaker 1: some in mind, some just before me, and then Ronnie
Speaker 1: Coot as well. But Glen Lazarus, you know, I got
Speaker 1: Laso down like Laso, you know, he is just one
Speaker 1: of the greatest.
Speaker 2: Winners the game has seen.
Speaker 3: So what five or six? I think it was six.
Speaker 1: So it wins the Grand Final. He goes back to
Speaker 1: back with the canber Raiders. They won a competition before that.
Speaker 1: Then he Brisbane can't win a competition, right, there's a
Speaker 1: missing injury. So he went, so Wayne, Wayne went and
Speaker 1: got Laso. They win in ninety two, ninety three, and
Speaker 1: won in ninety seven and ninety eight. He was injured
Speaker 1: for one of those, trying to might have been ninety eight,
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure. And then he has a bad
Speaker 1: ankle injury. They think, you know, he's probably served his time.
Speaker 1: He goes to finish off with the Melbourne Storm. What
Speaker 1: in our second year there wins some competition. Incredible.
Speaker 4: When we talk about influential players, we normally go to
Speaker 4: hals and fallbacks in today's game. But for him to
Speaker 4: have done that in the front row position, incredible career.
Speaker 1: When Chris Anderson built that roster at the with the
Speaker 1: help of Rubes and Frank Stanton was there as well.
Speaker 1: What he did he said, just give me a great
Speaker 1: give me a great front rower, and give me a
Speaker 1: great halfback. Now Notty at that time was on the
Speaker 1: way up and he when they signed him. He enjoyed
Speaker 1: two or three outstanding seasons with Melbourne Storm, but that
Speaker 1: used to be his thing. He said, give me a
Speaker 1: great halfback, give me a great front row and I
Speaker 1: can win a competition.
Speaker 2: The other one Ron Court. You know, and Ron as
Speaker 2: classy off the field as he was on.
Speaker 1: Phenomenal player really you know, known for his he was
Speaker 1: a wide running, locked forward, brilliant cover defender. Bring a
Speaker 1: play of course, was across the great Divide South Sydney
Speaker 1: then went to the Roosters.
Speaker 3: He should be a motal just for being a good fella.
Speaker 1: Just an absolute champion guy. Ronnie could in an era,
Speaker 1: in an era where in his position there were just
Speaker 1: so many champs, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of Grand finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, yes, Yeah he played a lot. The
Speaker 1: next one is Brett Kenny, a whole coops like Brett
Speaker 1: Kenny was just back and he was just a rock star.
Speaker 1: I think scored, I think scored a try in all
Speaker 1: of the Grand finals. And this game here, this game
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest games of all time. Eighty
Speaker 1: five Challenge Cup Final from one hundred thousand people, Wigan
Speaker 1: versus Whole, Kenny versus Sterling, he scores, he scores two
Speaker 1: tries against the Lance Todd Trophy. But just one of
Speaker 1: the greatest big game players of all time.
Speaker 4: Give me a bit more on Kenny because in that
Speaker 4: age or that era was obviously Wally or Kenny right,
Speaker 4: and they buttered heads in orange for Australia whatever. And
Speaker 4: most Queensland people say Wally. In New South Wales person
Speaker 4: will say Kenny.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well I'll say this coops.
Speaker 2: If you talk to Wally, he says, Bret Kenny his toughest.
Speaker 2: He said that the Corn's land side.
Speaker 1: When the New South Wales Seniorship would come into the
Speaker 1: dressing room and they are looking, oh they've done at
Speaker 1: the end. They've named Kenny and the centers like for Wally,
Speaker 1: he was the one player who had the wood on
Speaker 1: Wally Bret Kenny.
Speaker 2: Next one is Alfie, you know it is and again.
Speaker 1: In an era with a lot of great halfbacks, but Alfie,
Speaker 1: you know, he just that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Of course the captain got Brisbane to their first ever competition,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be Australian origin level.
Speaker 2: Just a huge figure.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 4: The things stuck in my mind is when it was
Speaker 4: over seas in the Super League and that Origin game
Speaker 4: we came back for that. Like when you're talking about immortals,
Speaker 4: like they just do things that other people cut and
Speaker 4: there's I don't think there's another half back in the
Speaker 4: game that could have done what.
Speaker 2: Alpha is totally different.
Speaker 1: Actually, he's the thing coops right right of Alvi's era.
Speaker 1: The two half backs that stood above all of them
Speaker 1: were Ricky Stewart and Alfie and they used to fight
Speaker 1: tooth and nail always for the Australian number seven Jersey.
Speaker 1: Different styles, completely different styles. I remember Bozo once experiment
Speaker 1: of putting them both in the same side. Ricky played six,
Speaker 1: alf played seven, but it was oil and water. They
Speaker 1: just couldn't form because Ricky was a width player. Alf
Speaker 1: was over the venze one and play through the other one.
Speaker 1: And I spoke of it this on the show on
Speaker 1: Sunday Night is Steve Rodgers Coops. Steve Rodgers wasn't just
Speaker 1: a beautiful footballer to watch, but made you talking to
Speaker 1: blows like Bob Fulton, he said, just ridiculously tough, incredible defender,
Speaker 1: but famous for what he did with the football.
Speaker 2: The guy he just had the number six.
Speaker 1: There little story about Barry Andrews, who was Steve Rodgers's
Speaker 1: best mate.
Speaker 2: My dad coached this year.
Speaker 1: It says, well, my old man coach Barry Andrews. It's
Speaker 1: not eighty right, and I'm a kid and Barry Andrews
Speaker 1: was around our house and there was a bit of
Speaker 1: a knock on the door and Barry knew who it was.
Speaker 1: And Barry goes, Matthew, when you go on inst to
Speaker 1: the door, Okay, Panda opened the door with Steve Rogers.
Speaker 1: Steve Rogers. Anyway, we're going up to We're going up
Speaker 1: to the Least Club to see my old man. And anyway, Panda,
Speaker 1: Barry Andrews is driving the car and there's myself, Andrew
Speaker 1: and Steve Rogers.
Speaker 2: Sitting in the back seat.
Speaker 1: He's sitting in the middle and he's sitting there on
Speaker 1: Barry Andrews floor. He's got twenty cent corns, fifty cent
Speaker 1: coins all just sitting there. And Steve Rogers turns the moon.
Speaker 1: He says, Matthews, who's your favorite team? I said, oh,
Speaker 1: mister Rogers, it's Balmain Tigers. He went.
Speaker 2: He turned to.
Speaker 1: Joey and Joey in those days, Joey's not this was
Speaker 1: a manly supporter, and he said, what about you, Andrew,
Speaker 1: who's your favorite site? And Steve Rodgers at that point
Speaker 1: was playing for Saint George and Joey Lione little prick.
Speaker 1: He goes st George, mister Rogers, he goes, good answer,
Speaker 1: see all those coins.
Speaker 4: The funny thing is when you talk about like immortals,
Speaker 4: when when you do things in the game the way
Speaker 4: that you played, and they compare you to them, like,
Speaker 4: for example, if everyone goes sure kicking game like alf
Speaker 4: or when centers.
Speaker 3: Move they go move like Steve Rodgers.
Speaker 4: There's that kind of influence and in print on the
Speaker 4: rest of the game. Before we move on to origin
Speaker 4: that man, let's talk about the finals. So there is
Speaker 4: let's say the top four locked in and let's just
Speaker 4: say that Tiger's eel's gone. So souths seven wins from
Speaker 4: eight games, thirty two points is the number you get to.
Speaker 4: Let's just who makes it, Like, let's crunch like South
Speaker 4: Titans gone right.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't Titans playing great football map. I don't see
Speaker 1: him going on that bigger run. Same with the Bunny.
Speaker 4: So the big one here is the Broncos. After losing
Speaker 4: on the weekend, they need to win six of their
Speaker 4: last seven games. They've got one buy can they get there.
Speaker 2: Or they can?
Speaker 1: Coops they cannot tell them, but the is will they
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: They will know?
Speaker 4: You Like with six from seven. They've got the Knights
Speaker 4: next week, then the Dogs in a month's time. Four
Speaker 4: weeks they play the Cowboys away from home up there,
Speaker 4: so the next period of time off the back of origin,
Speaker 4: like I think we'll know the Broncos. But for me,
Speaker 4: they could probably put that hot streak together and win
Speaker 4: six of those.
Speaker 3: But is it not the way.
Speaker 1: They play cops. Their last two games is they've got
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, so Drek and Wayne all have them up
Speaker 1: the Battle of RISB and Dolphins could be fighting for
Speaker 1: a final spot. Who knows, they might be fighting for
Speaker 1: a top four spot. And then they got the Melbourne
Speaker 1: Storm to finish with. Now Melbourne Storm might rest some players,
Speaker 1: you don't know, but yeah that's and so.
Speaker 4: Now we're starting to put a line through the Broncos.
Speaker 4: Like the Warriors, they've got six from seven. The Raiders
Speaker 4: don't have a buyer. They're going to win six of eight,
Speaker 4: so you could almost start putting.
Speaker 3: Lines through sure, and the Knights they rely on their
Speaker 3: origent players and pong and needs they can catch fire.
Speaker 4: They're five from seven games. So now we just literally
Speaker 4: got a couple of teams up for grabs. So you've
Speaker 4: got the Dragons have done really well. Cowboys have a
Speaker 4: lot of games at home, but not really sure so
Speaker 4: I think in the next two weeks, Mattie, I reckon
Speaker 4: we might be calling a couple of these teams out.
Speaker 2: Well, Coops.
Speaker 1: I really like what the Dragons are doing. They're huge improvement,
Speaker 1: but my gut feel is not yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah they are.
Speaker 4: The issue with the Dragons is they've got that power game.
Speaker 4: They either win big or they lose big. It was
Speaker 4: a close win on the weekend, but go have a
Speaker 4: look at their results this year. They either go over
Speaker 4: and through teams or the opposition get stuck in and
Speaker 4: they can't have.
Speaker 1: So mainly have been flaky, but I was really encouraged
Speaker 1: with what I saw. Yes, what I saw on Sunday,
Speaker 1: Travoivich back at fullback has to be it has.
Speaker 2: To be, yes, and I think they'll get there.
Speaker 1: You coming back from Origin Brooks looked good on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think I think they get there. Same with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been flaky, but I reckon they get there.
Speaker 3: The Dogs and Dolphins, I'm desperate to see the Dogs there.
Speaker 1: God, I hope the Dogs make it. They deserve well.
Speaker 1: The bottom Wine Coop.
Speaker 4: I think both teams deserve to make it. Yeah they do,
Speaker 4: but three wins from seven says they should on probability.
Speaker 4: But there are some trigger games for both clubs.
Speaker 1: And momentum, momentum and confidence. It appears suddenly sometimes and
Speaker 1: it suddenly disappears for whatever reason. No one knows where
Speaker 1: it comes from, where it goes.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone in the bottom half of the
Speaker 4: eight can rattle the cage of the top four teams.
Speaker 4: But it's big for all those clubs to get finals.
Speaker 4: Like dogs, Dolphins didn't play manly Cowboys. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of teams that haven't tasted finals for a long time too.
Speaker 1: The reason I say that the Dolphins get there is
Speaker 1: if you watch the Dolphins, you know and just the
Speaker 1: nature of how Wayne coaches the games that they absolutely
Speaker 1: have to win. Most of the time they win, and
Speaker 1: that's what That's what. One of the reasons I put
Speaker 1: a line through the Broncos is the Broncos have almost
Speaker 1: got to go clean run through. But I think when
Speaker 1: they hit the Dolphins, I just know, you just know
Speaker 1: how Wayne's going to prepare his side.
Speaker 4: And when you try and judge whether they can win
Speaker 4: or lose, you basically go to the defensive side of
Speaker 4: the game and they scrap and fight, whereas the Broncos,
Speaker 4: like when the seasons on the line, you can see
Speaker 4: thirty points against the Dragons without your origin players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, that's the thing about it, Coop. So if
Speaker 1: you're going to pick a team, you go, right, are
Speaker 1: they going to make it? First and foremost, regardless of
Speaker 1: their playing they have to be playing quality football. And
Speaker 1: at the moment, the Broncos just haven't producing that performances
Speaker 1: over the course of the weekend. And I've spoken about
Speaker 1: this young bloke before, Lehi HOPOWHARDI my goodness that five
Speaker 1: minutes to go in the first half, that that catches
Speaker 1: this is that's as good as it gets. He is
Speaker 1: so classy, it is.
Speaker 4: That's that's a skill to do because you're moving sort
Speaker 4: of away from your player and you had to catch
Speaker 4: it and literally not even get too much of your
Speaker 4: fingerprints on that and throw it back in and coups.
Speaker 1: If we have a look at that angle again, Scotty's
Speaker 1: when Brooksy hit it's it's not an end over, it's
Speaker 1: a wobbler, which makes it that there's no true rhythm
Speaker 1: to that ball and Lehigh just plucks it out, foods
Speaker 1: are back on the inside and just locas his finger
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 3: Like this is really high end skill.
Speaker 4: If he catches that ball on his chest, he actually
Speaker 4: does have the time to put it out and pass
Speaker 4: the fact that he catches in his fingertips and.
Speaker 3: Just throws it in one motion. The hell of a player.
Speaker 1: And you know, like John Hoppowardi and all the other
Speaker 1: sons that they're known had a very powerful runners. William
Speaker 1: was a strong runner of the football. Lehigh like he's
Speaker 1: more of a you know what I mean, Like he's
Speaker 1: really sleep He reminds me of the way he moves
Speaker 1: a little bit like Jaden Campbell. You know, he sort
Speaker 1: of glies in out holes a little bit.
Speaker 3: Did you like what Turbo did in the Full Bay?
Speaker 2: I did? You know?
Speaker 1: You know what I liked about him, Coops, is that
Speaker 1: with no DCE, that put that that has put in
Speaker 1: the past a lot of pressure on Brooksy. And the
Speaker 1: last time d C wasn't there, Brooks, he overplayed his hand.
Speaker 1: He actually reverted back to some of the stuff he
Speaker 1: used to be criticized for. He wasn't running the football enough.
Speaker 1: He was a little bit two sideways. He was trying
Speaker 1: to finesse the ball too much, where yesterday the amount
Speaker 1: of first receiver like Tom played a lot of did
Speaker 1: a lot of ball playing yesterday at first receiver, pushing the.
Speaker 2: Ball out to the edges.
Speaker 1: Very very classy, and I've got to give it a
Speaker 1: shout out too to Jamie Humphries. I thought Jamie Humphreys
Speaker 1: was it was tremendous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they attacked Newcastle centers.
Speaker 4: They had young back rollers playing out of position defending there.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to give seabolt to Wrap like it
Speaker 4: was a courageous decision putting him at full back. But
Speaker 4: it's all in with Manly and Turbot. You have to like,
Speaker 4: they're not going to win a finals game with Turbo
Speaker 4: playing in the Center's sort of seventy five percent not
Speaker 4: going well, So it's almost like just put all your
Speaker 4: chips in because if he can get up and going
Speaker 4: and healthy, then they are a chance to win the
Speaker 4: finals match with him at one. If there is at fullback,
Speaker 4: they're not Okay.
Speaker 1: Trey Fuller, I see this coups like he's too good
Speaker 1: not to be playing an NRL right and at the
Speaker 1: moment at the moment, he's one of the on form,
Speaker 1: he's one of the best, one of the best attacking
Speaker 1: players in the competition. Am I over stretching that at
Speaker 1: the moment or just just on what he's doing at
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 4: So are you thinking Trey Fuller stays at fullback and
Speaker 4: the hammer goes the Senate?
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, do you think that
Speaker 1: Wayne would entertain that putting hammer in the center's leaving
Speaker 1: Trey there because he's given him so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is, and he will entertain it. But it's
Speaker 4: a bit like the Travoievich conversion for me, Hamers try
Speaker 4: against the Sharks, Like sometimes finals are just about moments,
Speaker 4: and your best players deliver moments.
Speaker 3: And is he going to touch the ball ten times
Speaker 3: at left center? Probably?
Speaker 4: Is he going to touch it twenty times at fullback?
Speaker 4: Yes he is, and he's definitely gonna have a bigger
Speaker 4: chance of doing something with twenty touches and ten, So yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe he does.
Speaker 3: Wayne thinks about it. But I just like the fact that.
Speaker 4: Gun players give them their best position and just go
Speaker 4: on and fill in the rest, because the last thing
Speaker 4: you need to be doing.
Speaker 3: Is I'm not going to say he's going to get
Speaker 3: stage fright.
Speaker 4: But Troy fully just hesitates slightly in a big game,
Speaker 4: whereas Hamber would like what he's done in Origin, he
Speaker 4: would not hesitate for his team in his first finals match.
Speaker 1: Now, we spoke last week about Jason Rowl's been paring
Speaker 1: out a coach, and we spoke about the roster hard
Speaker 1: roster to turn over with. There's a lot of big
Speaker 1: clubs looking for players at the moment, so it's going
Speaker 1: to be hard to recruit.
Speaker 4: We spoke about it not being as good as it
Speaker 4: looks on paper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yes, that they need they need to put They basically.
Speaker 2: Need to mix the salad up a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I recruiting players, yes, but I think positionally moving
Speaker 1: a few blokes, I'd see what I what I would
Speaker 1: experiment or consider if I was if I was Jason Rowls,
Speaker 1: I think Gutho. I think Gatho's it's time for him
Speaker 1: to move out of fullback. I think I think Guthho.
Speaker 1: I'd have a crack a blaze.
Speaker 2: To Lungey at fullback.
Speaker 1: First, he's he's got to shure him up and make
Speaker 1: sure he stays there. I'd have Gutho on the six,
Speaker 1: Moses in the seven and Dylan.
Speaker 3: Brown in the thirdeen Dylan Brown third A.
Speaker 1: I'd put Dylan Brown the thirteen. Dylan Brown.
Speaker 3: Why would you do?
Speaker 1: Well, big body running through the middle, and the other
Speaker 1: thing it does it neck ties him to his strength,
Speaker 1: which is running the football. I think sometimes at six
Speaker 1: you get little cues about players, and when I see
Speaker 1: Dylan start to do the na look passes and I go.
Speaker 2: Run the football, I just.
Speaker 1: Think, look, you know, is he would he be a
Speaker 1: better thirteen than the six?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I would.
Speaker 1: I do believe the Paramatta would be a better side
Speaker 1: with him at thirteen.
Speaker 3: I understand it. I think their forward pack needs to
Speaker 3: re energizing. Put it that way.
Speaker 4: So if I'm Jason Rowles, I am changing things up
Speaker 4: a little bit. I think I think Gutherson to a
Speaker 4: center would be a better option. But I wouldn't do
Speaker 4: it like Gutherson moved to center and to Lungey. I
Speaker 4: would swap them in and out because Telungi needs to
Speaker 4: understand the defensive side of the game, and Gutherson is
Speaker 4: a very good defensive fullback still, so I would move
Speaker 4: him in and out of the position at different stages.
Speaker 4: I'm not moving Dylan Brown. I just think Moses and
Speaker 4: Brown is the reason why I would be interested in
Speaker 4: the Eel's job for starters, and they could be the
Speaker 4: best halves combo. They don't need a dynamic dummy half
Speaker 4: with those two there.
Speaker 3: They don't need a ball playing thirteen.
Speaker 4: With those two there, I would be giving them the
Speaker 4: keys to the whole attack and going from there. But
Speaker 4: I think they're forward back and it's probably the strength
Speaker 4: of Roles is that here's a defensive minded middle forward coach.
Speaker 4: They need a lot more steel and grit in that
Speaker 4: defensive revel.
Speaker 3: But wouldn't move Moses and Brown.
Speaker 1: State of origin the decider at Saint Corpse Stadium.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stop the rugby league world to.
Speaker 1: Have you played a decider at Saint Corpse Stadium a
Speaker 1: couple of times?
Speaker 2: How was it? What's is it completely different?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something in the water, something in the air
Speaker 4: up there. You wake up on morning of Origin Day
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, the Brisbane city is filled
Speaker 4: with ra Own jerseys. You look out your window, everyone's going
Speaker 4: to work with the marone jersey.
Speaker 3: The flags are on the cars and it's it's it's
Speaker 3: a pretty cool feeling. The issue horrible.
Speaker 4: The issue with Queensland and Billy is that the the
Speaker 4: fact that you're playing a decider at sun Corp and
Speaker 4: the crowd's going to be on your side isn't going
Speaker 4: to get you the victory is I'm going to make
Speaker 4: your tackle or run any harder. So they've got to
Speaker 4: really finite fine balance. But it works one way and
Speaker 4: it helps in the other way. In terms of New
Speaker 4: South Wales too.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that community connection is a
Speaker 1: really big thing for the Coreensland side.
Speaker 2: Cooper.
Speaker 1: I don't know what year it was. I had to go.
Speaker 2: I had to go and interview.
Speaker 1: I think it might have been Steve Waters who was
Speaker 1: managing the side and new blokes were doing one of
Speaker 1: your final training sessions at a boxing gym.
Speaker 3: So we actually let you in while I was on
Speaker 3: the proof read rage.
Speaker 1: I was just sitting on the proof rewatching but wanting
Speaker 1: to be about ten years ago Lockie was still playing captain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two ten to eleven.
Speaker 1: So what team bus pulls up for you blokes to
Speaker 1: jump on board the bus and go back to the hotel.
Speaker 1: Lockier says, no, no, no, everybody, we're running back to
Speaker 1: the hotel and new blokes ran through the streets and
Speaker 1: what people come out of the houses, out of the
Speaker 1: Queenslanders and things like that and waving, and I got
Speaker 1: a real sense of that community spirit, the link between
Speaker 1: the community and the team.
Speaker 4: I've never asked Lucky this or whatever, but I think
Speaker 4: it was a plan. I think he did say we're
Speaker 4: running back. So he ran from a boxing session along
Speaker 4: the river, all in front of the apartments, all in
Speaker 4: front of the It would have been around lunchtime because
Speaker 4: all the restaurants were full and basically up into the
Speaker 4: city and it felt like people as like you started
Speaker 4: running further, people started coming out onto the streets and.
Speaker 1: Was run up the stairs in front of a museum.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it did have that. Did have that, and
Speaker 3: it got the juices flowing.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie like there was something that he
Speaker 4: obviously played a card and it worked. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: probably the power of what playing the Decider and Queensland
Speaker 4: does for you.
Speaker 3: Like there is a lot of emotion around.
Speaker 1: It still with the line up for a second coop,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of mail going around. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm getting this came out of the Queensland.
Speaker 3: I don't believe a little bit. If you've got mail
Speaker 3: over me from the Queensland, yeah, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: There's there's a little bit of talk that Harry Grant
Speaker 1: will start.
Speaker 2: There's a bit of talk going around and the other thing.
Speaker 1: The other thing's going around is a Waker will start
Speaker 1: and bring Lindsey Collins off the bench. That's the mail.
Speaker 1: There's a bit of mail going around.
Speaker 2: If that was to happen, why.
Speaker 4: Um well, Harry Grant is an eighty minute dummy half
Speaker 4: so that's not a huge surprise. I think if the
Speaker 4: fodder Wakers starts Clemsey on, there's a couple of things
Speaker 4: that the Queensland Ford Pack have to do. They have
Speaker 4: to stop Painhass from the word go. I think yes,
Speaker 4: Moses was terrific. Left side attack was great, but everything
Speaker 4: pain Hass did in terms of his meters damage to
Speaker 4: Queensland defensive line and then when he went off spencer
Speaker 4: Land you came on and started wrecking ball too.
Speaker 3: So if I'm guessing.
Speaker 4: Billy White, go ak, Patrick Harrigan, your job is paying
Speaker 4: huss and Lindsay come on here, your teammate from the roosters.
Speaker 3: Your job is to stop him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, so he's gone sort of mate versus mate
Speaker 4: state verse eight.
Speaker 3: Right, that's me guessing. But I also like the Harry
Speaker 3: Grant thing because this guy can dominate origin, He can
Speaker 3: dominate for eighty eight minutes.
Speaker 4: He can do it like some of the other greats
Speaker 4: have done it. And I think this could be the
Speaker 4: chance Billy's gone. You know what, there's your good time
Speaker 4: to shine.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, coops. If he blokes start winning
Speaker 2: the artist.
Speaker 1: Or more to the point, win the win the possession
Speaker 1: game at that twenty twenty five minute mark, that second
Speaker 1: wave that comes out could be huge, given the fact
Speaker 1: that you get Lindsay coming on, possibly Ben Hunt for
Speaker 1: a stint, but the big one if he blokes a
Speaker 1: dominating possession Calen Ponger coming into a game against a
Speaker 1: middle that's fatigued, I don't know if we can contain that.
Speaker 4: If that's a case, that's perfect world scenario, and I
Speaker 4: think that's exactly what Billy is thinking, and he will
Speaker 4: have a plan, and it would be let's say Cherry
Speaker 4: Evans did and Ponger restwash. That's simply what it is.
Speaker 4: Maybe Ben Hunt is on there at the same time too.
Speaker 4: But what he needs to do is he needs the
Speaker 4: time he's run to perfection. He needs to try and
Speaker 4: predict when there's a swing of possession his way. He's
Speaker 4: the last thing he needs to be doing.
Speaker 3: Aving little little guys in the middle up against New
Speaker 3: South Wales and Spencer Lenu tackling. So it's almost like
Speaker 3: Kaylin sit.
Speaker 4: There and when I feel like this momentum shifting and
Speaker 4: they get a repeat set, throw him out there straight away.
Speaker 1: We see going in game two is going to be
Speaker 1: a huge clash Stephen Crichton against the hammer and on
Speaker 1: Steve's right or just going to the same thing, Kaylen
Speaker 1: Ponger on those little sweet plays. I mean that's his
Speaker 1: sweet spot in around that third last of fan you know,
Speaker 1: dummy and go cut inside, double cut out pass. Crichton's
Speaker 1: on that eage'. That's a that's a hell of a matchup.
Speaker 4: I really respect Stephen Crichton, like I think he's one
Speaker 4: of the best players we have in the competition and
Speaker 4: as a ball player and someone that tries to pick
Speaker 4: a part the opposition. If I'm looking and I've got
Speaker 4: Stephen Crichton on the right and I've got Bradman Best
Speaker 4: on the left. I'm going left towards Bradman Best. I
Speaker 4: just think that Calen Ponger knows him inside out. He
Speaker 4: does have defensive deficiencies in his game, where Stephen Crichton
Speaker 4: is going to be very hard to pick apart, so
Speaker 4: you probably need to do a little bit. But at
Speaker 4: some stage, if I was Billy, I would put Ponger
Speaker 4: and Walsh with Jeremiah Nana in front of me going
Speaker 4: towards Best, like put all three of them in some
Speaker 4: form of shape and just make him second.
Speaker 1: Guess really talking about I don't know, knowing someone inside out,
Speaker 1: Dane gag Guy and Bradman. I mean he'sy mentored Bradman.
Speaker 1: That's It's a really interesting matchup. I love I loved
Speaker 1: it from a neutral perspective. I love the fact that
Speaker 1: Dan Dane Gay guys back in State of Origin as
Speaker 1: a Blue. I'm hugely concerned because you talk about a
Speaker 1: bloke who turns on his best football. He does the occasion.
Speaker 4: But the other part to it is New South Wales
Speaker 4: terrorized Queenland's right edge that first footing minutes in the
Speaker 4: game too. Nana didn't defend well Cherry Evans didn't and
Speaker 4: Valentine Holmes was the missed a lot of tackles. So
Speaker 4: if they're gonna play well Queensland, I almost think that
Speaker 4: those three need to stop Moses, Lewy Angus, Crichton Edwards
Speaker 4: will be around there, but a couple of the old
Speaker 4: stages in terms of Queensland. If they're going to win
Speaker 4: a decide, I think Gag Guy and Cherry Evans need
Speaker 4: to have their best defensive game for Queensland.
Speaker 3: Ever for them to win.
Speaker 1: You said decent, he's old hat at this sort of
Speaker 1: you know, like he's been in this situation numerous times
Speaker 1: and he's delivered. It's a huge challenge for Mitchell. Moses
Speaker 1: Mitchell was fantastic in Game two and he's very good
Speaker 1: in game through last year. But this a decider at
Speaker 1: some Corb stadium. And as you know, when you get
Speaker 1: in those really big occasions is with the amount of
Speaker 1: noise going on, it is so hard to be able
Speaker 1: to communicate and rally your teammates and forwards.
Speaker 2: In the position.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, what advice would you give
Speaker 1: to Mitchell, I'm not going to ask you that. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to put you in that position, but your
Speaker 1: thoughts on it handling that occasion.
Speaker 4: I think if he's got a mindset of doing exactly
Speaker 4: what he did in Game two, I actually think it's
Speaker 4: the wrong mindset.
Speaker 3: This is strangely enough, because you really think the.
Speaker 4: Queens is going to allow quick play the balls advantage
Speaker 4: to their forward pack time and space and they dominated
Speaker 4: possession attacking end of the field.
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 4: So I think patients and composures from Mitchell Moses is
Speaker 4: going to have to be the key he needs to.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I always.
Speaker 4: Thought about in a big game, particularly Origin Decider, was
Speaker 4: touch the ball basically through your kicking game. If you
Speaker 4: see an opportunity to take it, but just step back,
Speaker 4: do less, step back and let the big forwards butt
Speaker 4: heads for a period of time and let them win.
Speaker 4: Because there's this real ego battle in Origin, particularly early on,
Speaker 4: when your forwards feel like they're getting it, you've got
Speaker 4: to let them go and let them rain. Don't take
Speaker 4: the ball and start singing at sideways. So I think
Speaker 4: the best thing that Mitchell Moses and Cherry Evans, to
Speaker 4: be honest, the best thing they can do in the
Speaker 4: first ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Is kick the ball?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Just think about the end of the sets.
Speaker 4: But then he will and both half backs will have
Speaker 4: to have a game plan for the last ten to
Speaker 4: five minutes when it's tight. Because if I'm trying to
Speaker 4: predict this, I think it's golden point top styl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Coop, what's the scool line? Who's mean of
Speaker 2: the match?
Speaker 4: I'm going to go golden point. I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be tight. Hopefully Queensland kicked that field goal to
Speaker 4: win it. I'm actually going to I'm going all in
Speaker 4: on Walsh on this one. And strangely enough, he had
Speaker 4: a poor game in game two, he got smashed in
Speaker 4: game one and pongers in the team and it feels
Speaker 4: like he probably should be more rattled than ever. But
Speaker 4: I just feel like with Billy's coach and this is
Speaker 4: the type of performance where he just he just goes.
Speaker 2: For big game.
Speaker 1: In terms of Rhese's career, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It is, I think so, and I'm not super confident
Speaker 4: about it, but I'm just trying to guess and predict.
Speaker 3: I think Walsh stands up. That's what I think happens.
Speaker 1: I'm going New South Wales twenty six eighteen man matching
Speaker 1: we on paint hass. I just hope you spoke before
Speaker 1: about his impact and I think he deserves it.
Speaker 2: I think he deserves it.
Speaker 1: I think he I think you said for a dominant performance.
Speaker 4: I tell you well, one thing we needed tip ol
Speaker 4: Cap to is the first teams in nineteen eighty about
Speaker 4: Origin and what they did for what the game is today.
Speaker 4: What Arthur Beatson did to Mick cronin mate versus mate,
Speaker 4: State verse state. You've got ga guy up against best,
Speaker 4: You've got Payhause up against Patrick Harry, Lindsay Collins now
Speaker 4: up against s Pensylvania. This is exactly what Origin was
Speaker 4: built back in nineteen eighty and I think this is
Speaker 4: going to be.
Speaker 3: One of the better games.
Speaker 1: It's never been bigger State of Origin than what it
Speaker 1: is right now, and it just keeps getting bigger all
Speaker 1: the time till it's interesting to go back and have
Speaker 1: a look at go and have a look at the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight series. In particular. I think it's the
Speaker 1: first game of the series. It's at the brand new
Speaker 1: Sydney Football Stadium, grounds half full, it's strange to go
Speaker 1: back and look at because we always looked at this
Speaker 1: eight Series eighty eight, who won the eight Series eighty
Speaker 1: five for the first time. I think New South Wales
Speaker 1: might have won that series. But the Sydney Football Stadium
Speaker 1: had just opened and the state of origin was there,
Speaker 1: and the fall was it was probably about twenty odd
Speaker 1: thousand people. Hard to believe now, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Now You could steerd buy a ticket for one thousand
Speaker 4: dollars or some of that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a lot of people boycotted it because it
Speaker 1: was the new stadium and you know, ticket prices suddenly
Speaker 1: back then probably went from being twenty bucks to forty
Speaker 1: and people said.
Speaker 2: That's garbage. We're not going to I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do that. It's too expensive.
Speaker 3: Well good luck, mate, you'll need it.
Speaker 2: I've just had. It's got him a Queensland clean sweep.
Speaker 1: Damn it. Yeah Series eight, Yeah eight. These curbs