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Speaker 2: Guys, cheers, you just tried just come up to wait. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you said, can we do it another time? And I said,
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Speaker 1: I guess, did I winge? Did I? Did I winge? Did?
Speaker 1: I lay there and refuse? I got up. It's just
Speaker 1: a little bit tired.
Speaker 3: We got at Mike on for a second because we
Speaker 3: are rolling, so we didn't leave this shit in. But
Speaker 3: Matthew's attitude this.
Speaker 4: Morning, I'm asking jab until you come in then. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't really care about your attitude so much. I
Speaker 4: care more about the fact that you're walked in and
Speaker 4: you're just doom scrolling on TikTok. And that triggered the
Speaker 4: fuck out of me because I've never seen that before
Speaker 4: from a man your age.
Speaker 1: I was trying to find that Tom did with that
Speaker 1: with that bloke.
Speaker 4: Well, here's a chip. You're not going to find it
Speaker 4: by refreshing the home screen the whole time.
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing it. I'll scare him backwards.
Speaker 3: You're fifty three years old, mate.
Speaker 1: But I was. I wasn't watching middle aged women dance.
Speaker 3: But you're fifty three years.
Speaker 1: Old or cute puppies.
Speaker 4: Although although the algorithm will give you that constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did myself when I said the trash TikTok please,
Speaker 1: it's just like middle aged women dancing in their bikinis.
Speaker 1: She goes, Yeah, your algorithm, that's the algorithm.
Speaker 3: They feed you what you want to see.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but your fifty three mates, I don't care
Speaker 5: how four soon mate, it's it's age is a mindset
Speaker 5: you don't feel.
Speaker 1: Let me just inform you of something. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if it's sixty. I got a mate who's well singer,
Speaker 1: who is indo late seventies, said to me, you know what,
Speaker 1: you never feel any older than twenty five. And I
Speaker 1: agree with that.
Speaker 3: I believe that.
Speaker 2: I believe once you hit twenty five you stay, even
Speaker 2: though when you look in the mirror you go, who's
Speaker 2: that old blow. You're still the exact same internally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we got down this track, but
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say to you is age is relevant,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I'm a little bit shitty this
Speaker 1: morning has got nothing to do with me not want
Speaker 1: to do this. It's very fact that every single day
Speaker 1: I've done a podcast this week on top of my
Speaker 1: work schedule.
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Speaker 3: They are an engaging community. We are like a cult.
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Speaker 1: Totally right, let's do it.
Speaker 3: No, you don't want it. You don't like to be told.
Speaker 1: No, I don't actually because I get enough off your
Speaker 1: mom upstairs.
Speaker 3: Hey, guess what your head's right and he goes your
Speaker 3: body can't cash.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised, big check.
Speaker 3: All right, state of origin preview again, Get on with it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're doing it made. I'm not trying it. Jesus, you're
Speaker 3: such a shit. Mood changes. The first thing we want
Speaker 3: to talk about. Let's start with Queensland.
Speaker 2: Obviously the biggest one is chairs Dallly Cherry Evans captain
Speaker 2: of queens and he's out for Game two.
Speaker 3: He's been not selected. What was your take on it?
Speaker 1: Slightly slightly surprised, not entirely because of the fact that
Speaker 1: the tom Toms were beating Surprised in the fact that
Speaker 1: Queensland would sack a captain mid series. That does surprise me.
Speaker 1: But I do understand why Billy's done it, and there's
Speaker 1: two reasons before I get to that though. The one
Speaker 1: thing that I it's probably a little bit disappointing I
Speaker 1: reckon from Dai's point of view, because I think in
Speaker 1: DAI in a lot of times would sort of understand.
Speaker 1: But the very fact that it was leaked out early,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean early.
Speaker 3: It's almost after the games.
Speaker 1: It's not Billy's style. I get that, but someone within
Speaker 1: the inner sanctum has told journalists, oh, mate, he's not
Speaker 1: going to be their game too, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And given what Dally has done for that state and
Speaker 1: for that Jersey, I thought that the announcement could have
Speaker 1: been handled a lot better rather than just sort of
Speaker 1: being leaked out. And because that's what happens. Sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: leak things out to lessen the blow, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. When he wasn't name, people go, well, yeah
Speaker 1: that was right. If he was just out of the
Speaker 1: blue announced aside and he's not there.
Speaker 3: Where does that come from? Like people will say there's
Speaker 3: a leak.
Speaker 2: Is that come from within the coaching staff somewhere or
Speaker 2: just within Queensland?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, people, there's no doubt the abillity
Speaker 1: would confide in numerous people and every you know. And
Speaker 1: what happens a lot of times is you know, people
Speaker 1: have close relationship with journals, you know, and a journalist
Speaker 1: might go to him, you know, what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: And what are you thinking in there? And it might
Speaker 1: be the old listen mate, I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's going to leave Deli out. You know, that's just that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not meaning to be vindictive, vindictive
Speaker 1: or anything that. It's just the way the game works.
Speaker 1: But for Deli it'd be it would have been disappointing
Speaker 1: here and all those reports come out which turned out
Speaker 1: come to fruition.
Speaker 2: I look at the decision and at the start, I
Speaker 2: I was probably I looked at it and I went.
Speaker 2: That's a big call because he in my opinion, in
Speaker 2: game one, he wasn't in terms of their Spine players.
Speaker 2: He was probably their best player anyway in the Spine.
Speaker 2: You know the rest of the boys didn't play that well.
Speaker 2: But you know, obviously he's gone about the season. I
Speaker 2: think what I look at it right, And I did
Speaker 2: think about this before, and I think it does similar
Speaker 2: to like that queens mom from about five six years
Speaker 2: ago when they kind of acxed a lot of those
Speaker 2: older players coming out.
Speaker 1: He really surprised me beally a few years ago when
Speaker 1: he didn't pick gags and what's he doing? But he
Speaker 1: brought hammer into the side, And.
Speaker 2: I think what the message that it sends to the
Speaker 2: whole playing group. But like the Spine player, the youngest
Speaker 2: Spine players like Harry Munster Kaylin did and it's it's
Speaker 2: got to elevate them, right like it's got to elevate
Speaker 2: a new leadership group within that Queensland side.
Speaker 1: Well two things does two things? Number one, it sells
Speaker 1: all the Queensland players number to who they are. No
Speaker 1: one's safe, so players will go into this game. You
Speaker 1: know how much that jersey means to those players and
Speaker 1: they could go into that game in their own minds
Speaker 1: saying well, if I don't perform this game, this could
Speaker 1: be the last Origin game I play, regardless of who
Speaker 1: it is. That's what he's saying. He's saying to them,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to if I if I'm willing to
Speaker 1: drop my captain, then made, I'll drop any of you.
Speaker 1: So that what's pressure on everyone? And I know people
Speaker 1: will say, oh yeah, but people like Monster and that,
Speaker 1: but every player has their own voice in their head,
Speaker 1: and Monsters could be saying, well, you know he's Dally
Speaker 1: was captain. He dropped. He's put the onus on me. Now,
Speaker 1: made I better perform for him or else. And that's
Speaker 1: the other reason, right, he's number one. No one's safe. Everybody, mate,
Speaker 1: get up on your toes, go out there, perform or else.
Speaker 1: The second thing he's doing. And I think this is
Speaker 1: the main reason Coop by not selecting Dally. And you
Speaker 1: said before I didn't think he was the worst player
Speaker 1: in game one, Well, you're right. A lot of the
Speaker 1: selection leaving him out, a lot of has got to
Speaker 1: do with pushing Kalen and months to forward saying hey, boys,
Speaker 1: his safety blanket's gone it's up to you two blokes,
Speaker 1: and he's doubled down on that by making months to captain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he's done and died and Cooper did. Will
Speaker 1: He symbolizes the Queensland spirit and he's going to symbolize
Speaker 1: how they're going to play. Right they have pigged did
Speaker 1: and on the back of on the back of his
Speaker 1: energy and on the back of his fight. That's what
Speaker 1: he brings. He brings a ton of fight, He brings
Speaker 1: a ton of energy. He can't be discouraged. He's tenacious
Speaker 1: little bastard. But on the flip side of it, he's
Speaker 1: not a great playmaker. That's not his strength. So what
Speaker 1: does that do? Well, I think what you're going to see.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see Kaylen play a fair but
Speaker 1: at first receiver they'll RIGI how they're going to play.
Speaker 1: But having no Dally is putting the pressure on particularly
Speaker 1: Kaylin and Munster and Harry as well. I mean, your
Speaker 1: dear made Harry. It was you know he was his
Speaker 1: performance was unusual by his standards in game one. Well mate,
Speaker 1: you know he can't. He'll come out firing in this.
Speaker 1: I actually think from Harry's point of view like Monster,
Speaker 1: it's quite a stop. I've seen Monster in a state
Speaker 1: of origin in game one. I think Harry sometimes he
Speaker 1: actually probably tried too hard. Yeah, yeah, like they kick
Speaker 1: up the short tide. They made a lot of it,
Speaker 1: which led to the seven tackle. Actually, if you watch that,
Speaker 1: it was actually a good decision him jumping out and
Speaker 1: knocking up because Xavier was coming through it a rate
Speaker 1: of knots. He just didn't elevate it enough. Idea was
Speaker 1: Idea was okay, idea was good, but just didn't nail
Speaker 1: to kick.
Speaker 3: And I remember you used to say that back when
Speaker 3: we used to play for the Sunshine Coast Falcons in
Speaker 3: Reserve grade.
Speaker 2: Harry had a if the game kind of wasn't coming
Speaker 2: to Harry. And Harry's a go getter, right like Harry
Speaker 2: chases anything and forces his way.
Speaker 3: Into the game.
Speaker 2: Were a lot of spine players can wait for the
Speaker 2: game to come over there, so if it doesn't come
Speaker 2: to him, he can force himself something I remember you
Speaker 2: saying back in the day. You remember you have a
Speaker 2: chat to him about how he can overplay. Sometimes he
Speaker 2: tries to do too much because he's fit and he
Speaker 2: has the energy. A lot of the time, he will
Speaker 2: try to come up with big players and force his
Speaker 2: way into the game.
Speaker 1: I think with Harry's in his mind, he goes, well,
Speaker 1: if it's not going to be me, then it's not
Speaker 1: going to be Yeah. He gets into that, which it's
Speaker 1: a good mentality. But sometimes you don't push against the
Speaker 1: flow of the game and when things are happening and moving,
Speaker 1: sometimes if you want to push and force things throws
Speaker 1: everything out. Yeah. There's two players that I've seen that
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of football play that YouTube blokes
Speaker 1: have played with that when they start to overplay earlier,
Speaker 1: I goo. And one is Harry. We just spoke about that,
Speaker 1: and the other one's tom Starling. I to see that
Speaker 1: would Tommy come through the grades when Tommy would just
Speaker 1: try to do too much and you go, tom just relax,
Speaker 1: don't force the run, don't force the absolute clever pass
Speaker 1: or the dream pass. Just go with it, mate, when
Speaker 1: you get on a roll, get out there and run.
Speaker 1: We'll just give it early and their natural talent will
Speaker 1: come to the floor.
Speaker 2: We talk about the little little voice inside the head.
Speaker 2: Monster Munster has that voice inside of his head.
Speaker 3: A bloke that I remember when was it when Tyron
Speaker 3: Wishart was playing playing six last year for him would
Speaker 3: fill in and stuff Money used to always say, oh mate,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get.
Speaker 2: My spot back like would and would genuinely believe it
Speaker 2: or convince himself that he believed so that he'd keep
Speaker 2: him hungry.
Speaker 1: That's what makes That's what makes champions. That's one factor
Speaker 1: that makes the champion.
Speaker 2: Do you think the captain says a good idea as
Speaker 2: well with mone because they were tossing up a lot
Speaker 2: of people they tossed up Harry.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a great idea. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a I think it's
Speaker 1: a fantastic idea. He's just he's nudget him friden him going, mate,
Speaker 1: get the fuck? Can we get your going? You're the bloke,
Speaker 1: You're the pulse of the side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people like Slatsy knows how to get the
Speaker 2: best out of Money. Played alongside Munster for a good
Speaker 2: couple of years and I think he's he knows what's
Speaker 2: going to elevate him. And you look at in that side,
Speaker 2: you look at who epitomizes it like that Queensland Jersey
Speaker 2: we like the most, the most Aura in that Queensland
Speaker 2: arena is Munster from. He's had some massive series, his
Speaker 2: debut series, that twenty twenty series when he was hungover
Speaker 2: and he just beat everyone.
Speaker 1: He's had a Wally type impact on Origin in periods
Speaker 1: of the game. Well mate, he has been when he is.
Speaker 1: When he finishes and they talk about Queensland's greatest Oriagin players,
Speaker 1: he'll be talking about. He'll be spoken about that. Like
Speaker 1: Kevy Walters the other night on the show, I asked
Speaker 1: him about he was the one who gave Monster his debut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I said to Kevy is it true? Is the
Speaker 1: legend true? That session all week he was horrific and
Speaker 1: he said Munster was so bad the training all week.
Speaker 1: Then he ended up grabbing a couple of the Storm
Speaker 1: players and say, hey, listen, I'm serious here. Do I
Speaker 1: play him? Like? Is he going to be okay? And
Speaker 1: they said, don't worry about it. When the whistle goes,
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. He'll find his best And he got
Speaker 1: me another match. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He used to do that ship all the time to
Speaker 2: Melbourne training. Kick it dead, kick it out in the fall,
Speaker 2: like couldn't kick a dog in the guts.
Speaker 3: Was horrendous and everyone.
Speaker 2: Would go, oh God, and then he'd like storm off
Speaker 2: the training padic, throw his boots and like be sucken,
Speaker 2: and everyone would be like spraying him, spraying him, and
Speaker 2: then he come out and just like brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's a natural football, he is.
Speaker 3: And also your man baby feet for more. Bo Firma
Speaker 3: was dropped as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was a little bit of a weird choice
Speaker 2: because I didn't think he probably didn't get a lot
Speaker 2: of time out there.
Speaker 1: He didn't, He didn't, Bill, he's just seen something. I
Speaker 1: didn't go back and watch his performance closely. But bow
Speaker 1: By his standards was white. Yeah, I think Billy Lookson said, mate, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just didn't give us enough. In a minute, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about In a minute, we'll have a talk about
Speaker 1: what style of game is going to be and how
Speaker 1: Queensland will play. All the Queensland mentality the New South
Speaker 1: Wales going to be prepared for. But the other one,
Speaker 1: well let's go from New.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, obviously Mitch Moses torn calf A training.
Speaker 1: Can we talk to firstly about Stefano? Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: will be this will be the making of him as
Speaker 1: a player.
Speaker 3: You reckon, He's played Origin before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be He's at this point. I reckon
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. I've been watching him at Melbourne
Speaker 1: and progressively there's just little things he's doing. He's becoming.
Speaker 1: He's looking more and more like a Melbourne player. His impact.
Speaker 1: He didn't sort to hit Melbourne and going wham like
Speaker 1: a lot of players have. But you can just see
Speaker 1: little things in his game. He's started to get those
Speaker 1: good habits and now he's elevated on this stage. I
Speaker 1: think I think he'll go out. I think he'll be
Speaker 1: really strong, and I think this will be what people
Speaker 1: have been waiting for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, comes onto the bench obviously, Max King goes in
Speaker 2: for Mitch Barnett. The thing because I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of punters have had their opinion on Stefano being picked,
Speaker 2: you know, saying other front rowers doing this, doing that better.
Speaker 2: I think what people don't see sometimes is they'll look
Speaker 2: at a stat sheet and they'll go, well, this player
Speaker 2: played seventy minutes. He run for over two hundred meters.
Speaker 3: The thing about a club like Melbourne you barely see
Speaker 3: a lot of the front rowers run for a heap
Speaker 3: of meters.
Speaker 2: I remember Jesse Brimis used to say the same things
Speaker 2: like mate, I can't remember the last time, like I've
Speaker 2: run the meters that payin Hassen, anything like that.
Speaker 1: Buzz But it's a colective effort.
Speaker 2: It's a collect you spread the work out across the road,
Speaker 2: across the whole team. Billy, make sure you only play
Speaker 2: an amount of time where you're effective for every minute
Speaker 2: in that time. You know, if you're you can squeeze
Speaker 2: out seventy minutes, He'll only play your fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: five to make sure that you've put all your energy
Speaker 2: into that fifty. And that's what he's done with Stefano.
Speaker 2: Stefana can play bigger minutes, but he's playing him at
Speaker 2: a amount of minutes where all it needs to go
Speaker 2: out is every time you run, you run as hard
Speaker 2: as you can, you get a one on one, you
Speaker 2: get quick play the ball, and then in defense you've
Speaker 2: got to do all the little things really well, which
Speaker 2: is what you see in Stefano's game. For a big man,
Speaker 2: he's doing a lot of really small things that other
Speaker 2: front rowers aren't doing really well.
Speaker 1: She's would be a good combination. He and Hassefs are
Speaker 1: on the same time, if they if they can gain ascendancy,
Speaker 1: if we start to gain ascendency in the ruck on
Speaker 1: those played one, two threes, those two blokes on play four,
Speaker 1: play five. I mean, look, if you're going to ask
Speaker 1: about you know, is he ready? And all you know
Speaker 1: was the selection warranted. Who was the first person that
Speaker 1: Laurie Daily would have went up to and asked Craig
Speaker 1: Craig Bellamy if Bellamy and Bella Bellamy is not the
Speaker 1: sort of bloke to say, oh mate, pick him because
Speaker 1: he's Melbourne player. He just said pick him because obviously
Speaker 1: what belly Ache has seen in the last month, game
Speaker 1: mate has seen his improvement and go on mate, he's
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I remember I think Madge was the first one to
Speaker 2: give him his origin debut when he was at the Tigers.
Speaker 2: And I remember when we're speaking to Madge on the
Speaker 2: podcast last year, Madge said like it was an unbelievable play,
Speaker 2: Like he's like, mate, so fit, such a good work ethic.
Speaker 2: He was like, when he goes to Melbourne, he's just
Speaker 2: going to get better and better. And all the boys
Speaker 2: down there the first week train and said he would
Speaker 2: for a big man because you know how hard. Fitness
Speaker 2: is right, especially for a big bloke. He said, never
Speaker 2: complain once and was just so good in all the training.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is it's a testament to his attitude.
Speaker 1: Just Cooper, when we go back into Queenslany, it just
Speaker 1: remind me to talk about just their attack. I'll just
Speaker 1: sit in there then just thinking about certain things come
Speaker 1: to mind. How I think, how I think Billy will
Speaker 1: want particularly months to play. We'll get to.
Speaker 2: That, and then Jerome Lewie comes in for anj injured
Speaker 2: Mitch Moses big news. It was a big point that
Speaker 2: they picked Moses over lew In game one, Moses ey
Speaker 2: spot played outstanding.
Speaker 3: How do you see this pick affecting New South Wales?
Speaker 1: Firstly, people of the numerous people say Mate Burton should
Speaker 1: be picked. Burton is not a six yet at that level,
Speaker 1: he's an emergency six where you playing made eighth man
Speaker 1: and if you need to you can slip him in there.
Speaker 1: But Leui was a no brain. It was straightforward. Lou
Speaker 1: I'm picking a Louie for Men of the Match. I reckon, yes,
Speaker 1: if we can, if we can dominate the rock area
Speaker 1: or I think I think he will be Men of
Speaker 1: the Match. And the reason is why that at the Tigers,
Speaker 1: he's working double time, like he's having to do so much.
Speaker 1: At the Tigers, he's doing the organization and he's trying
Speaker 1: to hold onto his running game. So and that's a
Speaker 1: very hard balance to do. He's learning new aspects of
Speaker 1: his game with leadership and direction, and that's very hard
Speaker 1: to you know. And what's happened suffering a little bit
Speaker 1: is his natural game. Now what he's going to do Now,
Speaker 1: He's going to walk in alongside Nathan, straight into that
Speaker 1: side mate, the old pair of warm slippers. He just
Speaker 1: goes in. Nathan will take control. He can just play
Speaker 1: his best self made who will go in there. He'll
Speaker 1: just feel liberated. It will be a huge weight. I
Speaker 1: think this. I think this selection is going to be
Speaker 1: great for New South Wales. I think the selection is
Speaker 1: going to be great for Lui, and I think the
Speaker 1: selection is going to be great for the Tigers. I
Speaker 1: can see Louis going there having a blinder and just
Speaker 1: taking that back to the Tigers. But I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the combinations are just so important and state
Speaker 1: of origin. You know, the combination you've got Edwards, Leui
Speaker 1: Cleary and Yoe and you've got Liam Martin there as well.
Speaker 1: Those combinations straight away just former and they've played so much.
Speaker 1: You've got to remind the four competitions have won together.
Speaker 1: Five Grand Finals have been in the combination works. I
Speaker 1: thought Yo in game one was magnificent. I thought he
Speaker 1: was really good. Yo has taken him a little time
Speaker 1: to realize it. But at State of Origin level his
Speaker 1: game is less pass, more run, but he still sets
Speaker 1: up that shape which makes the defense flex out and
Speaker 1: gets him one on one. He just punches through all
Speaker 1: the time. And Liam Martin, Liam Martin coop is symbolic
Speaker 1: of the New Blues attitude and you go, what what's
Speaker 1: the attitude? Well, the natural characters coming into this fight
Speaker 1: are Coeensland the underdog, you know, just battling away, you know,
Speaker 1: the little engine in the can and New South Wales
Speaker 1: like the Imperial bad guys. Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Now what what Liam Martin does? Liam Martin plays like
Speaker 1: an underdog. If you watch him and Angus Crichton, how
Speaker 1: hard they go at Queensland and Liam Martin just yeah,
Speaker 1: he he. The theme that Queensland are great at is
Speaker 1: that underdog mentality, that fight mentality. Well, he plays, he
Speaker 1: takes them on. As far as that attitude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, teams have identities and that's always been their identity,
Speaker 2: the underdogs who no one give him a chance to
Speaker 2: go and kill them. And then we've always had that villain,
Speaker 2: even when they were winning like six in a row
Speaker 2: a bit, We've always had like the Gals and the
Speaker 2: Greek Birds, who they look at him and they go
Speaker 2: the villains, you know. Yeah, queens and don't have a
Speaker 2: chance even though they had like the best players in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: But Liam Martin is he gives.
Speaker 2: Me like the modern day Greg Bird vibes, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, he's got the same thing.
Speaker 3: He's got that mungrel and he goes after half backs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, in different areas, in different eras where New
Speaker 1: South Wales dominated, we've had, you know, sitting at the
Speaker 1: very core of the team have been a club combination
Speaker 1: and sort of players I reckon and I'm only guessed
Speaker 1: that he may have got this wrong, but that Queenslanders
Speaker 1: respect and don't hate. It's not like they come from
Speaker 1: a club like the Roosters who carry that or manly
Speaker 1: to carry that sort of attitude. Yeah, and that swagger
Speaker 1: you've got Canberra in the nineties where you had that
Speaker 1: core of the camera side which was Bradley Clyde, Glenn, Lazarus,
Speaker 1: Ricky and then you go into Joey's era. You've got
Speaker 1: Joey and Bedzi and you know Van Kennedy operating and
Speaker 1: you know, to speak to guys like Gordon. Like Queensland,
Speaker 1: people don't look at New South Wales people and go
Speaker 1: oh look at those elders. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they understand like they're hard working class people. They've got
Speaker 1: the same attitude. It's the same with people from Penrith
Speaker 1: like people. I don't think people in Queensland or Ipswich
Speaker 1: look down at Penrith and go look at those flash
Speaker 1: Harry Bass.
Speaker 3: They look at the inner city clubs and they can
Speaker 3: scoff at them.
Speaker 2: But like you said, like Newcastle, Canberra and those in
Speaker 2: a West sides like Penrith.
Speaker 3: And Bulldogs, they're hard, hard work knockouts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, knock about blue collar towns and Penrith is at mate.
Speaker 1: You got tough people like they're going to look at
Speaker 1: you know, someone from Ipswich going to point to you know,
Speaker 1: Critter and Leui who are from Mount Druett and go
Speaker 1: oh those flash Harry is we've flipped the script a
Speaker 1: lot of times, like they bought those young blokes like
Speaker 1: to they come out of those tough areas in the
Speaker 1: western suburbs, like you know, they're they're going after the Queenslanders.
Speaker 1: It's just a different you know, people might scoff at that,
Speaker 1: but it's just a completely different narrative and a narrative
Speaker 1: that doesn't suit these Coinsland players.
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard for them to draw motivation in there.
Speaker 2: And I can't imagine Bill would be able to in
Speaker 2: years going past.
Speaker 3: Wayne Bennet could go.
Speaker 2: Up and on the white board and go look at
Speaker 2: this bloke and really fuel the fire and get him
Speaker 2: angry for things that they've said in media and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Going you know this blog he's lives in cities, eastern suburbs.
Speaker 2: He's talking about you guys have grown up hard, you
Speaker 2: know in rock Hampton.
Speaker 3: They can't go he can't have a.
Speaker 2: Picture up there, broan and go this bloger grew up
Speaker 2: on the foot of the mountains. Mate who drinks six
Speaker 2: coke zeros on game day.
Speaker 1: That's Stephen Crichton. Mate. He'd be sitting now, it may
Speaker 1: eating his cavia think that's better than you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's as we have a great side we have,
Speaker 1: right if we talk about a Queensland and to play,
Speaker 1: we have got we got we've got a great side.
Speaker 1: But what we have to be ready for is coins Lands,
Speaker 1: the Queensland frenzy that's going to come. They we have
Speaker 1: to match them as far as desperation, which is hard
Speaker 1: to do Coop because they're fighting to keep the series alive.
Speaker 1: We're one nil. We've got a bit of that. And
Speaker 1: this is the reason why Coop there's so many rare
Speaker 1: three nils is because if you just drop a little
Speaker 1: bit in desperation, then that means you drop a little
Speaker 1: bit in intensity and that's just enough for the other
Speaker 1: side to come out at the top of it. Like
Speaker 1: even those great Queensland sides you know that dominated. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many they didn't sweeps they were.
Speaker 3: They didn't have a heap.
Speaker 1: Of clean sweet I think it might have been just one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe there was.
Speaker 2: Only one potentially two out of what eight, yeah in
Speaker 2: a row there. So yeah, and you look at the
Speaker 2: side that they had Greg English, Billy Slater, Cooper Kronk,
Speaker 2: Camera Smith Jonathan Thurston lockey.
Speaker 1: Even those great great players you know, gi all those
Speaker 1: blokes who you know have an argument to be have
Speaker 1: be immortals into the future and a number of them will.
Speaker 1: Is that even when they drop coop just a little
Speaker 1: bit in desperation, the New South Wales side beat them.
Speaker 1: And some of them weren't strong New South Wales sides,
Speaker 1: but they were able to knock them over and beat
Speaker 1: them purely on intensity. And this which comes to my
Speaker 1: point is Queensland. I think this will be one of
Speaker 1: the great State of Origin games. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism with gay one. I get it to a
Speaker 1: certain extent. I think someone's been a bit over the top.
Speaker 1: I've heard some people say, oh, as far as State
Speaker 1: of Origins is a bit of a soft game, will
Speaker 1: come on. But I do get that it didn't have
Speaker 1: that same intensity. They will come out, Queensland will come
Speaker 1: out in a frenzy. New South Wales has got to
Speaker 1: be prepared for that. And a lot of times Queensland
Speaker 1: is the Queensland style of ambush. They get us people go, yeah,
Speaker 1: well the ambushs and they go, well, they didn't ambush
Speaker 1: it because you knew what was coming. Ah, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we knew what was coming. We just underestimate, underestimated the
Speaker 1: intensity of it. Right as much as we're saying, mate,
Speaker 1: they're going to come out in a frenzy, right, you
Speaker 1: know it's going to be probably ten to fifteen percent
Speaker 1: more than we're anticipate.
Speaker 2: And you look Game one, that first fifteen minutes, I
Speaker 2: think there was the penalty count was a lot, there
Speaker 2: was a couple hours. You rarely see a state of
Speaker 2: origin that first ten minutes where there's broken play, where
Speaker 2: there was about three or four passages where the play stopped.
Speaker 2: I think this game too, you'll see, like you said,
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk around the penalty count,
Speaker 2: the referees, there's been a lot of talk about the
Speaker 2: quality of the game, people slamming it. I think the
Speaker 2: first fifteen minutes, particularly from Queensland.
Speaker 3: Will be pull out of a gate. It'll be one
Speaker 3: to be reckoned with.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about why and how they're going to play well, Cooper.
Speaker 1: There's been two games played in Perth, and why Perth
Speaker 1: is a really big factor. It's going to be a
Speaker 1: six o'clock game. In Perth. It's always a dry fast track,
Speaker 1: which means we can move the pool around the park.
Speaker 1: It suits the way we want to play. So giving
Speaker 1: evidence to that New South Wales are two game games
Speaker 1: thirty eight to six forty four to twelve. Now that
Speaker 1: sort of scoreline tough in Perth, almost unheard of in
Speaker 1: state of origin, which mean Queensland coops if you look
Speaker 1: at the nature of our side. If Queensland go out
Speaker 1: there to make this an attacking shootout though even though
Speaker 1: they got Harry and Munster and Grant, we will put
Speaker 1: will bid them by thirty points. What Queensland want to
Speaker 1: do mate, They want this to be a tough center
Speaker 1: field battle. That's what they want. So this is the thing.
Speaker 1: The bloke is going to have the most pressure on
Speaker 1: him in this game is the referee. And I have
Speaker 1: got no doubt that he's been given a directive and
Speaker 1: they won't admit to it. I reckon he's been given
Speaker 1: a directive from the top because this is a really
Speaker 1: important game. This is a really important match for the
Speaker 1: game planning in Perth. We've got the Perth Bears coming in,
Speaker 1: so we want this to be as good as rugby
Speaker 1: league can be. And so I reckon the referee has
Speaker 1: been given a bit of a directive, he'll say less penalties,
Speaker 1: let the game flow more. And I think he'll say it.
Speaker 1: They'll they allow a little bit more, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of the foul play. You just don't be
Speaker 1: too keen to blow the whistle. Now that suits Queensland.
Speaker 1: Because Queensland make that. They will multiply the pressure on
Speaker 1: the referee. They'll lie in the ruck, they'll stand half
Speaker 1: a meter off side, they'll ruff, they'll they'll rush our playmakers,
Speaker 1: they'll hit our playmakers. I'll throw our playmakers on the ground.
Speaker 1: And that they will just exert pressure on the referee.
Speaker 1: They will try to dictate the terms of this fight.
Speaker 1: And that's how they'll do it. They'll try to make
Speaker 1: it a really tough, gritty game. They'll just try to
Speaker 1: shut us down and they'll exert all the pressure on
Speaker 1: the ref.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know better than anyone, right. You used
Speaker 2: to say it to us in junior footy. You and
Speaker 2: you go on into a grand Vinyl, you'd say, feel
Speaker 2: free to layers test the referees, lay all over them
Speaker 2: because in big games, when everybody's watching, the referees don't
Speaker 2: want to be blamed for a shit game.
Speaker 1: Well, what we used to say that when caaching you blokes,
Speaker 1: you know you're not to teaching you know, arms to
Speaker 1: what it was. I'd say to you, bloke, right when
Speaker 1: you make a tackle like you're buzzy and you're enjoying yourself,
Speaker 1: but just have the discipline to count in your head
Speaker 1: one two three and then get off. And it just
Speaker 1: makes all the world difference. And when we go into
Speaker 1: those Grand Finals at the start of the game, will say,
Speaker 1: let's just dip our toe into the water with the referee,
Speaker 1: lay on one two three, four and then get off
Speaker 1: if he starts blowing penalties one two three. That is
Speaker 1: such a vital part of the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we used to get referees come down to
Speaker 3: training a lot of the time and chatting to refs
Speaker 3: a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: They're not counting how long to play the ball is.
Speaker 2: They're measuring the play the ball off the first five minutes.
Speaker 2: They'll they'll get a feel for the play the ball,
Speaker 2: and then they'll see how consistent they're laying on. If
Speaker 2: you that first five minutes, first ten minutes, you're getting
Speaker 2: off really quick, and then when fatigue starts to set in,
Speaker 2: you're laying trying to slow it down. Then they kind
Speaker 2: of subconsciously they notice that because they're trained to know
Speaker 2: just inconsistencies. That's where they'll blow the penalty. If you
Speaker 2: set the standard from the start, and if you're Queensland,
Speaker 2: you know you're half a meter off side, you're laying
Speaker 2: on the play of the ball, slowing it down.
Speaker 3: That becomes the standard for the whole game.
Speaker 1: Well, coop, what's gonna happen in the referees. He's been
Speaker 1: told blow less referees, so every time he blows. Every
Speaker 1: time he blows a penalty, just so blow rep.
Speaker 3: You said he's been told to blow less referees.
Speaker 1: Clip that, I reckon.
Speaker 3: He would have been told that as well. I imagine
Speaker 3: they'd be rules in the referee for a game.
Speaker 1: Keep us are doing anything for a win.
Speaker 2: It's like the jockey club, mate, don't shoot where you eat.
Speaker 2: Come on, refs, it's a kissing each.
Speaker 1: Other, oh mate. Every time the referee blows a penalty, coup,
Speaker 1: he'll be in his own mind and be going, oh God,
Speaker 1: because he's been told blow less. Yeah every time. So
Speaker 1: quite what Queensland will do, and New South Wales to
Speaker 1: an extent, they'll just keep testing him and you want
Speaker 1: to keep blowing penalties. Yep, we're gonna lay. It's going
Speaker 1: to be it's a game of cat and mouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think us as New so well as well.
Speaker 2: Given that they're already up by one, they're at a
Speaker 2: little bit of a disadvantage because if they try to
Speaker 2: the more that they push, the more they'll be panealized.
Speaker 3: Yep, you know you know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when you're down twenty zerol in a
Speaker 2: game and you kind of get more of the rubb
Speaker 2: of the green because they try to not bring you
Speaker 2: back into it, but they give you a little bit
Speaker 2: of the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: It'll be like that for queens And although it's been
Speaker 1: played in Perth, the crowd will put exert pressure on
Speaker 1: the referee because last every time it's played over there,
Speaker 1: and the supports probably being seventy thirty Queensland's way. Everybody
Speaker 1: everybody hates you South last, everybody. Okay, let's talk, right,
Speaker 1: If Queensland are going to play that way and they're
Speaker 1: going to come out like a frenzy, let's have a
Speaker 1: little talk about how New South Wales should play. Our
Speaker 1: strength is our yardage, game right, it's it's Zachlomax, Brian too,
Speaker 1: Dylan Edwards on play one, two three, that's what really
Speaker 1: set that set us going. Then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you got paying House on play four or five. Then
Speaker 1: we're out of there. And we just that dominance in yardage,
Speaker 1: just kept getting Nathan clear in attacking kick positions and
Speaker 1: which allowed us to exert pressure and just build pressure
Speaker 1: on them. But this game we just established right our
Speaker 1: Coreensland come out there, they're going to try to spoil.
Speaker 1: So how do you spoil in yardage? How you spoiler
Speaker 1: is you tighten your defense. You can press your defense,
Speaker 1: show New South Wales the edges and you rush and
Speaker 1: you lay on the ruck. That's what you do. That's
Speaker 1: how they're going to squash our yardage game early in
Speaker 1: the match New South Wales. In my opinion, if I
Speaker 1: coached in New South Wales, I'd start the match by
Speaker 1: playing a little bit of sideline. The sideline really yep,
Speaker 1: I'd push, I'd push the ball away. I wouldn't give
Speaker 1: Coueensland what they're after. They want physicality and confrontation. Don't
Speaker 1: give it to him early. As soon as we start
Speaker 1: to get just a little bit of momentum, push the
Speaker 1: ball to the trail or crutter on the other side. Right,
Speaker 1: And what that does it moves around the Queensland forwards,
Speaker 1: makes them travel around the park, which starts to fatigue them.
Speaker 1: But the other thing it does gives us one on
Speaker 1: one tackles. Right, they're going to try to get lots
Speaker 1: of players in the tackle the really slower rate. So
Speaker 1: move the ball around, shift it around, get one on
Speaker 1: one tackles, get your momentum. That way almost you can
Speaker 1: move the ball to an edge with critter. He also
Speaker 1: makes twenty meters then start to build. You go forward
Speaker 1: off that as the game starts to go on, and
Speaker 1: as the game starts to evolve and the game starts
Speaker 1: to move into the thirty minute mark, if you start
Speaker 1: to move their opposition middles around Coop, you'll see them
Speaker 1: start to hit the wall a little bit. And that's
Speaker 1: when you go revert, bring it back and start playing
Speaker 1: through their center.
Speaker 2: They're going to want to be if they do play
Speaker 2: that way. And I like your reasoning because you know
Speaker 2: what Queen's are going to do. They're going to bunch
Speaker 2: right up. They're going to be flying out from outside
Speaker 2: in just trying to put shots on, trying to not
Speaker 2: be bullied like they did in Game one where Lomax
Speaker 2: and Painhas are running over the top of everyone. Do
Speaker 2: you think us then changing flipping sort of away from
Speaker 2: our strengths rather than just going straight down the middle
Speaker 2: trying to shift. Do you think it also opens the.
Speaker 3: Risk up for a lot.
Speaker 1: Of early errors. Yep.
Speaker 2: You know they're going to want to be really diligent
Speaker 2: with how they shift the football executing their passes, because
Speaker 2: it could really Queenslane could almost you know, take that
Speaker 2: gamble and encourage us to make areas.
Speaker 1: Of course, but I come back to my point. This
Speaker 1: is why Perth suits New South Wales is because you
Speaker 1: go back and watch the games our in Perth, the
Speaker 1: ability to move the ball from one edge to the other.
Speaker 1: It's just you can do it so easily and move
Speaker 1: it around and that's what suits us. You know, Coop's
Speaker 1: ball movement, it's not really ball movement that's risky, it's
Speaker 1: it's what players do with it. If that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go one, two, three passes to
Speaker 1: someone who then gets half through and throws a frivolous pass.
Speaker 1: What you do is you just get you do control
Speaker 1: ball movement one two three, Shift the ball to an
Speaker 1: edge and let the center just make the meters. You know,
Speaker 1: if they're going to tighten their defense, coop always with
Speaker 1: the defense, a defense is going to compress and dare
Speaker 1: you to push the ball to the edge.
Speaker 3: Do it?
Speaker 1: Take it? And they want to keep compressing up, keep
Speaker 1: taking it because when a defense titans new move the
Speaker 1: ball to an edge, they need to surrender meters. That's
Speaker 1: what it's such easy meter So move the ball to
Speaker 1: the edge, take the meters, then to owe and that
Speaker 1: can start to go forward. But you'll start to see
Speaker 1: coop after a certain period of time. As has said before,
Speaker 1: moving the ball around just naturally disrupts the defense and
Speaker 1: prize that middle open, and that's when it starts soon
Speaker 1: play through. In fact, if you watch Joey, you know
Speaker 1: Joey's best ever Origin game.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and five, yep Game two yep.
Speaker 1: Watch New South Wales. In the first fifty minutes of
Speaker 1: that game, they're actually playing with a lot of width.
Speaker 1: Bang bang. The last thirty minutes Joey reverts and just
Speaker 1: starts playing through their middle. But that that middle was
Speaker 1: vulnerable from what they did in the first fifty minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, right, and our predictions to round.
Speaker 1: Off, I'm going to go to New South Wales thirty
Speaker 1: four to fourteen.
Speaker 3: To give it to him.
Speaker 1: I think that we will I think will. I reckon
Speaker 1: Coensland will put so much into themselves early. I reckon
Speaker 1: we will score a lot of points late. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I try to. I think. I think Coop,
Speaker 1: if we get away, you know, with about twenty minutes
Speaker 1: to go and we're ahead by like a ten points,
Speaker 1: I think then we'll really skip and get away from it.
Speaker 3: You have first try score as well.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go first tryscorer. I go. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go Stephen Crichton. I'll go for a kick, attacking
Speaker 1: kick across from Nathan Cleary, Zach Lomac's bat's back to
Speaker 1: Critter who scores? Okay, very specific, yep, I love it, Jack.
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 4: Have you got any I've got New South Wales by twelve,
Speaker 4: and I think that first tri score is going to
Speaker 4: be Jerome Lui.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're on Lui mate.
Speaker 4: And then man of the match I think is going
Speaker 4: to be Lui. Oh Jerome went in Rome.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to go a little different, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm in you South Welsh. I want us to win.
Speaker 2: I think Queensland are actually going to win. I think
Speaker 2: Queensland by two. I've got man of the match monster
Speaker 2: and I've got first try scorer. I've got I think
Speaker 2: Xavier Coach will shore the first. Yeah, I think. I
Speaker 2: just I've been tossing it, turning whether who to pick.
Speaker 2: I think you got I think we'll win the series.
Speaker 2: But I just think it's hard to win three. It's
Speaker 2: hard to go yep, it is, and I think I
Speaker 2: think they're going to get us.
Speaker 1: This is what I expect from Munster. I think you're
Speaker 1: a Munster running more than he passes. I hope. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see You know that you
Speaker 1: said the COVID series, you know where he basically played
Speaker 1: that first game hungover. I think it was that that
Speaker 1: first game he was trying to push the ball sideways.
Speaker 1: Apparently what he will come into the sheds or Wayne
Speaker 1: turned around to Munster and just said run the fucking
Speaker 1: football and he went out there and got man of
Speaker 1: the match. That's I think I think you're going to
Speaker 1: see Corinsland pour enormous energy into their defense and their physicality,
Speaker 1: and I think when the win the football, they're going
Speaker 1: to play pretty simple. Think they're going to I think
Speaker 1: they're looking for they'll work Graft really hard and they'll
Speaker 1: look for little moments of magic from Kalen and moments
Speaker 1: of magic from Munster all right. Man of the match
Speaker 1: Joan Luway. Boom, we bring the boom.
Speaker 3: Give us one, give us a boom has it?
Speaker 1: We bring the boom. God, I love those guys. Boom, boom,
Speaker 1: boom