Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to Off the Record, the podcast
Speaker 1: of breaking news, heard, opinion and a little bit of Gibba.
Speaker 1: Got my copole with here again Phil buzz Rossi'll get
Speaker 1: a buzz hello.
Speaker 2: Will be great to be back. Episode two and mate,
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Speaker 1: I know, well look what we wanted to thank everyone
Speaker 1: for their very kind words about our first episode last week.
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Speaker 2: That is terrific, and I do want us to thank
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Speaker 1: That's the most important thing. Thank you seriously though, we've
Speaker 1: been overwhelmed with the positive response in the last week
Speaker 1: from you guys, so thank you so much. We just
Speaker 1: keep doing what we're doing and hopefully you keep on
Speaker 1: listening so you could keep a couple of old hats.
Speaker 2: I want to knock off. I've got to knock off Canty.
Speaker 1: I think you should knock out Kenny. Can just knock
Speaker 1: him off the top. Okay. So on today's podcast, we've
Speaker 1: got some breaking news from Buzz on origin eligibility, which
Speaker 1: has been thrown into chaos because of the Painhearts Saga.
Speaker 1: I've got some breaking news as well, so stay tuned.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the NRL's head high crackdown that isn't
Speaker 1: a crackdown. We'll talk about where Dally Cherry Evans is
Speaker 1: headed and Tim Zoo's career whether that's on the line
Speaker 1: when he fights on Sunday. And in our war story segment,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the story I broke about
Speaker 1: Michael Clark being grabbed by the throat by Simon Kaddich
Speaker 1: in the SCG dressing room in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Can't wait, Web, I'll be asking questions about your sources
Speaker 2: for that one. Now, I don't know whether you'll be
Speaker 2: able to help. Would love to know where that story.
Speaker 1: It's funny a lot of people that's I get asked
Speaker 1: out a lot from other journals. Where did you get
Speaker 1: that from?
Speaker 2: All these different and I trust you'll with dell me
Speaker 2: our listeners.
Speaker 1: To them, you know, because I was told off the.
Speaker 2: Record, right of course.
Speaker 1: All right, our first segment Champs and Chumps, buzz, who
Speaker 1: is your champ of the week.
Speaker 2: Well, my champ of the week is the Canary Bulldogs.
Speaker 2: That might shock a lot of people because there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people in rugby league because of my
Speaker 2: non relationship with Gus. Don't think think that that might
Speaker 2: end of fear with my views on the Doggies. That
Speaker 2: they are top of the ladder four straight wins. They
Speaker 2: demolished the Cronulla Sharks at Chuk Park last Saturday night.
Speaker 2: I was there to see it. They are a seriously
Speaker 2: tough football side and they are seriously a skillful football side.
Speaker 2: That they did it without Burton carraz who was a
Speaker 2: terrific outside back and kick out. Get these guys back
Speaker 2: into that football site and I will be am here
Speaker 2: to say that the Bulldogs are a hope are winning
Speaker 2: the comp this year now, hold on. I base this
Speaker 2: around the fact that Melbourne fell over last week. Penrith
Speaker 2: have fallen over the last few weeks. I think it's
Speaker 2: the most wide open Premiership in ten years. Gusts has
Speaker 2: obviously done a terrific job with this football side of that,
Speaker 2: Cameron Surroundo, he is a sensational rugby league coach. He's
Speaker 2: a really smart dude. They can win the comp.
Speaker 1: Three years ago, you blokes in the media were saying
Speaker 1: Surroundo is another next big thing that's going to flow.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one, they won three games, they punted Trent
Speaker 2: Barrett and then they finally got surrounded and he struggled
Speaker 2: his first year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it just shows you the importance of patience, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I am trigger on clubs and play and coaches in particular,
Speaker 1: just after one or two seasons. I agree. I think
Speaker 1: they're top four team. I don't think they can make
Speaker 1: the I don't think they can win the Grand Final.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they made it. It's very
Speaker 1: exciting though. It's a great story. What's happening at Bellmore.
Speaker 1: Mine's not rugby league related. In my champ, Josh Giddy
Speaker 1: sunk a half court shot on the buzzer for the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls, the famous Chicago Bulls, to beat the LA
Speaker 1: Lakers his last twelve seconds. We just perform miracles, Giddy.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty two. This kid, Willongong Boy, Wollongong Boy.
Speaker 1: He's on target for a massive contract at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, as much as fifty million Australian and
Speaker 1: if he gets that, he won't just be on your money,
Speaker 1: He'll he'll be up there with Ben Simmons and Jordan
Speaker 1: Malata in terms of the highest paid Australian athletes we've got.
Speaker 1: He's a fun fact. His father, Warrick, played junior rugby
Speaker 1: with Ricky Stewart. Did he really Yeah, I didn't find that,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming so yeah, I just heard that a couple
Speaker 1: of days others.
Speaker 2: So I like just say, I'm really pleased you've come
Speaker 2: up with a credible champ this week. I was so
Speaker 2: concerned about when you gave it Reggie Rabbit, you're saying
Speaker 2: for champ or thumbs up?
Speaker 1: Hang on, what about you? You had been because he
Speaker 1: returned a text message, So with that in mind, I
Speaker 1: actually I texted Wayne because we've spoken since they did
Speaker 1: he reply, Well, he didn't get back to me for
Speaker 1: a couple of days, and I thought you got back
Speaker 1: to buzz but you brushed me. He did get back
Speaker 1: to me, he did. Yeah, Wow, there you go. I'm
Speaker 1: not so self indulged in to make you.
Speaker 2: Get him in here? Oh what odds one.
Speaker 1: Fifty fifty to one? Yeah, but if anyone can get
Speaker 1: him in it's uh Nick Forden. Yeah, who's your chump?
Speaker 2: Isn't it great day to have him back in rugby legion? Yes?
Speaker 1: I well, you know what, Look at how they're going,
Speaker 1: like seriously, like they lose two big names in Latrellon
Speaker 1: and Cameron Murray and do what they do anyway, we're
Speaker 1: digressing you. Who's your chump?
Speaker 2: My chuce? This week is the shame worn story in
Speaker 2: the Daily Mail. Three years after his death, the Daily
Speaker 2: Mail published a story that there was some sort of
Speaker 2: sex drug in his room. Care Factor zero. Let the
Speaker 2: great man rest in peace, think of his family, his kids.
Speaker 2: I just didn't think it was necessary whereby to be
Speaker 2: dragging it up. Look where you all have known? And
Speaker 2: the other thing I wanted to say. He wasn't cheating
Speaker 2: on anyone, He wasn't in a relationship whatever was going
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 1: But his cause of death is relevant, buzz.
Speaker 2: And we don't know it was the cause of death
Speaker 2: the currentry that was heart.
Speaker 1: So let's let's get this clear. But like the way
Speaker 1: that they wrote it like it's a sex drug, it's
Speaker 1: like viagra, it's camagra. Yeah, well I'm not really across
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 2: No, at my age, I'm not particularly concerned about it either.
Speaker 2: But I just want this guy. He was fairer World
Speaker 2: so beautifully with the mc J, with the stand and
Speaker 2: I just don't like it. You don't like it, No,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: No grubby journalism.
Speaker 2: Well, what's yours?
Speaker 1: Mine's Mine's football Australia. The way they went, the way
Speaker 1: they went weak at the knees over Sam Kerb, my god,
Speaker 1: the way that they've handled this whole story involving the
Speaker 1: Matilda's captain and didn't sanction her at all or talk
Speaker 1: the captaincy off her, which I thought would have been enough.
Speaker 1: The sycophanic football media, with the exception of Robbie Slater,
Speaker 1: have you know said that's a good idea. I think
Speaker 1: it sends a too rible message. I know she didn't
Speaker 1: get she wasn't convicted. I know she was found not
Speaker 1: guilty of those charges, but that video footage of her
Speaker 1: in that police station was terrible for not just the
Speaker 1: Matilda's brand, but also the football brand in this country
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. If it was an NRL or NRLWU player,
Speaker 1: they would have been given two to three weeks and
Speaker 1: she had nothing.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And look, I honestly thought you and me,
Speaker 2: being completely different dudes, would be arguing each week over
Speaker 2: her these sort of things. But I've got a one
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are right. And the Matilda's had such a
Speaker 2: beautiful love affair with the Australian sporting public and rightly so,
Speaker 2: and those girls who represented us here at the World
Speaker 2: Cup and the Mary Fowlers, all those but it's really
Speaker 2: stained not just Sam but football Australia.
Speaker 1: Frig read the Room, for God's sake, read social media,
Speaker 1: but the way that they the way that that they
Speaker 1: didn't act on it straight away, and then this press
Speaker 1: release that they banged out a couple of days ago
Speaker 1: and said that it was you know, we're with there's
Speaker 1: some information that's come to light, but we're not going
Speaker 1: to tell you what it is. You know that makes
Speaker 1: us think that you know, Sam deserves a free pass.
Speaker 1: I just think that's weak and that's the problem that
Speaker 1: holds football back in his country. It's so insular and
Speaker 1: if you dare say anything critical about any of their
Speaker 1: athletes or their coaches, and suddenly you're, you know, the
Speaker 1: bad guy or the rugby league reporter bashing up you know,
Speaker 1: another sport.
Speaker 2: It's just it's very briefly. Soccer went downhill in this
Speaker 2: country when Frank Lowey left. I've sat opposite Frank Larwie
Speaker 2: the top of the his office and the tower down
Speaker 2: there on William Street, and I interviewed him and that
Speaker 2: Clive Palmer, the jib bro, was in charge of the
Speaker 2: and he kicked Palmer out of the comp that was
Speaker 2: leadership whereby because Palmer was behaving like a goose. And
Speaker 2: I can guarantee you the Lowey family was still running
Speaker 2: Australian soccer. Sam Kerr would have got time and what
Speaker 2: had been stripped of the captain. See, they have lost
Speaker 2: all leadership.
Speaker 1: And I reckon if David Gallup was the CEO, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have stood for it.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: We'll get everyone upset. Yes, speaking of getting people, I
Speaker 1: love you said we're different, dudes, Well we are we are,
Speaker 1: thank god, we certainly are different.
Speaker 2: Everyone keeps saying to me what they saw last week's
Speaker 2: podcast and said, we had no idea that you actually
Speaker 2: get on you can even sit o room together.
Speaker 1: I think people think of how we were years ago
Speaker 1: and then we're making podcast music together.
Speaker 2: I am not going to do it this week, but
Speaker 2: I am going to tell the story about the night
Speaker 2: at the dal Ms when I was very, very tempted
Speaker 2: to whack you.
Speaker 1: If you.
Speaker 2: I will tell that story.
Speaker 1: You're going to make it up like in most of
Speaker 1: your guns anyway. I think, speaking of which our next ement,
Speaker 1: you heard it here first unless it didn't happen. Wow,
Speaker 1: buzz breaking story. Waby, What do you got for us?
Speaker 1: What do you got for the fans of off the record?
Speaker 1: Out there?
Speaker 2: There is a major split in the ranks of the
Speaker 2: RLPA and five hundred and twenty players across the competition
Speaker 2: Civil War. Civil War. In the old tabloid days, that
Speaker 2: would be the back page headline. But you know what,
Speaker 2: it's over this mad Origin eligibility rules. And there was
Speaker 2: a poll done last year and players were asked. Five
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty players were asked should Tier one players
Speaker 2: from New Zealand and England be allowed to play Origin
Speaker 2: if they played their first foot Industry under thirteen? You
Speaker 2: know the part, and this where the split is fifty
Speaker 2: one percent said yes, forty nine percent said definitely no.
Speaker 1: God, so it's a.
Speaker 2: Really interesting one. I think the qualification rules are just fascical.
Speaker 2: We had a story break this week and I know
Speaker 2: you were onto it first before Michael Chamis.
Speaker 1: Beat me to the punch. You're saving it for this
Speaker 1: segment and I've got bit to the So.
Speaker 2: We have this out rageous situation where Jerome Lewis, Stephen Crichton,
Speaker 2: Amalola now Painhass can play Origin and play for Samoa.
Speaker 2: Victor Radley, cleverly crocodile since he was a six year old,
Speaker 2: loves the New South Wales Blues, but good on him,
Speaker 2: chose to play for England, can't play. Callen Ponger wants
Speaker 2: to play for New Zealand but they won't let him
Speaker 2: because it's a Tier one. It's rubbish, It's crazy and
Speaker 2: wobbe what I got out of this before I chucked
Speaker 2: to you. Clint Newton has told me that he did
Speaker 2: something they will bring up as part of the discussions
Speaker 2: and next CBA deal to find a solution that allows
Speaker 2: our premium product in rugby league to have the very
Speaker 2: best players in the game playing in it.
Speaker 1: Look that's good. I hope he does the same has
Speaker 1: the same enthusiasm for fixing up the contracting system as well.
Speaker 1: I think there are I know we've lavish praise on
Speaker 1: PVL and Abdolah on this program last week and fair
Speaker 1: enough too, but there are three fundamental areas that need
Speaker 1: to be fixed. That getting rid of the dirt bag
Speaker 1: player managers in the game, two the contracting system, and
Speaker 1: three eligibility rules. And every league boss before them have
Speaker 1: always put these three things into the too hard basket.
Speaker 1: He is the three things that need to be fixed,
Speaker 1: and these are the three main issues that piss off fans,
Speaker 1: and it needs to be It needs to be looked at,
Speaker 1: and it needs to hard and fast rule on what
Speaker 1: they are because the three systems are not working at
Speaker 1: the moment will be.
Speaker 2: The rules were done in nineteen eighty there were five
Speaker 2: PACIFICA players in the competition. Then it was never an issue.
Speaker 2: The game's changed, yeah, and we origin was always the
Speaker 2: best thirty four players will run onto Lane Park, or
Speaker 2: will run onto the Gidney Cricket Ground or MC wherever
Speaker 2: the best thirty four in the comp Now, I don't
Speaker 2: want all Englishmen playing Sam Burgess would never qualify because
Speaker 2: he's a poem. Victor Radley's and Aussie who's chosen to
Speaker 2: play for England. These fellas Samoa. I want them playing
Speaker 2: Origin because they all were born or grew up here.
Speaker 2: I want Ponger playing.
Speaker 1: They've got to fix the I agree, and I think.
Speaker 2: Peter Velandis and Andrew abdes we said that, but they're
Speaker 2: slow with this one. They've got to actually do. Wayne
Speaker 2: Pierce was supposed to look at it two years ago.
Speaker 2: Nothing happened.
Speaker 1: You're very fine up. I get you.
Speaker 2: I'm frustrated over the lack of action. I can tell
Speaker 2: you want to protect our show piece event.
Speaker 1: You're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1: Get another Nickoret I agree. I agree. The problem for
Speaker 1: me if paying hearts. I don't think you should be
Speaker 1: able to chop and change willy nilly. That's where I
Speaker 1: think it really undermines international football. I know they'll talk
Speaker 1: about it being good for international football, but you just
Speaker 1: can't change it at the drop of the hat. I reckon.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that blokes like Leui or whoever
Speaker 1: will represent Samoa, but I think that they've made that
Speaker 1: choice and played for them first, and I just think
Speaker 1: that should be it. I don't think you should suddenly,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what because Camon Munster goes down
Speaker 1: and Leui shoots the lights out in Origin, that he
Speaker 1: should go from Samoa to Australia. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I think it should be one. But I agree the
Speaker 1: problem is that, all right, use Leui as an example.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get picked in the Australian team and
Speaker 1: he gets picked for some he should be allowed to
Speaker 1: play for Samoa because if you.
Speaker 2: Do games a selection for Australia and in my life.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, And I agree, like as you said,
Speaker 1: there was five PACIFICA players in nineteen eighty in the camp.
Speaker 1: It's how fifty to sixty percent? And just as the
Speaker 1: rules have changed elsewhere in the game to fit the
Speaker 1: trends in the game, that's what that has to change too.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you.
Speaker 2: It'll make international football strong if Palmer can play for
Speaker 2: New Zealand.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. But that's what that's the thing. So
Speaker 1: this is the thing. But so when I was sniffing
Speaker 1: around this in the last couple of days, I went
Speaker 1: to Vorlandi's and Abdo and the response was the same.
Speaker 1: It's not on the agenda. Why is it not on
Speaker 1: the agenda?
Speaker 2: Why is it not considered some of that very very
Speaker 2: powerful man in this game, Andrew, you carry an enormous influence.
Speaker 2: This will go onto the agenda. I'm sure it will.
Speaker 1: We're setting agenda.
Speaker 2: We know Clint Newton's going to put down the agenda.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good because in the next CBA agreement it
Speaker 1: should be done now. Yeah, get into it now. Not
Speaker 1: in the next CBA negotiations. No, we've had ups and downs. Clean,
Speaker 1: I just don't like the contracting system even I'm at
Speaker 1: different ends of the spectrum. Anyway, let's get onto the
Speaker 1: news of the week. Well, it's a crackdown. That's not
Speaker 1: a crackdown. Apparently the NL is going to send in
Speaker 1: players for head high shots to rival players after some
Speaker 1: slipped through the net last week. Another crackdown, crackdown, what
Speaker 1: is it? It's not they're enforcing the rules.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, exactly, that's all. It is enforcing the rules
Speaker 2: that have been there since eight You can't hit the
Speaker 2: blake in.
Speaker 1: The head, buzz. That's exactly what they did before Magic
Speaker 1: Round a few years ago, and look what happened is insanity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but The problem with Magic Round is they said
Speaker 2: this about three hours before the eventage three days. That
Speaker 2: was what they did, and I liked the fact that
Speaker 2: they admitted their referees, who were normally protected species, got
Speaker 2: it wrong last week and they've told them to be
Speaker 2: more vigilant this time, particularly that Red Barney shot on
Speaker 2: the ground attacking the man in the head on the ground.
Speaker 2: If you did that down the road on the street,
Speaker 2: they're a rest and charger.
Speaker 1: I live in King's Cross. I see that every day. No,
Speaker 1: just from people trying to get a coffee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I applaud the NRL. They had to do
Speaker 2: something about it. There was some shocking incidents that went
Speaker 2: unchecked last week and it can't go on.
Speaker 1: Where as long as they don't overreact, I'll be happy
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's up to the players to ensure they don't.
Speaker 2: The NRL doesn't overreact, and they need a slight adjustment
Speaker 2: to their tackling technique.
Speaker 1: But they said this a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Made I blow up about Magic Round more than anyone,
Speaker 2: and that ridiculously over the top and it shouldn't have
Speaker 2: happened the way it did.
Speaker 1: You just know I don't want the bunker to get
Speaker 1: involved in everything like they do. That's the problem, that's
Speaker 1: the that's.
Speaker 2: What I just totally disagree with you. There there was
Speaker 2: an even worse incident. Do you saw that touch judge
Speaker 2: up at sun Corpse Stadium the other.
Speaker 1: Night doing what when you do something? Did the touchdows
Speaker 1: do something?
Speaker 2: That is probably the biggest Selwyn Cobbo didn't plant his
Speaker 2: foot on the line but over the fright line and
Speaker 2: they played on a game changing decision. And I'm of
Speaker 2: the opinion and I've said this or week and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to bore people by keep going on the bug.
Speaker 2: I should have said, hey, you got that wrong.
Speaker 1: They should have disagree, buzz. I think I think they
Speaker 1: should just put things. It's not NFL. Well, you can't
Speaker 1: stop start everything. Just put it in the hands of
Speaker 1: the on field match officials.
Speaker 2: Team Saint George, we're in a grand final.
Speaker 1: They did do it in a Grand final against the
Speaker 1: Rosters and they won the game.
Speaker 2: No, but if it decides a premiership. But you don't
Speaker 2: want the blanket to say quickly, hey boys, you got
Speaker 2: it wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm a grand back. No, no, no, no. I think
Speaker 1: I just think that the technology has overrun the game.
Speaker 1: I think it's far too much.
Speaker 2: Well, you are wrong. We have millions and millions of
Speaker 2: dollars with a high definition four K.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know how the bunker works. Buzz, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have our first blue ear. Well, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you, just one of us a
Speaker 2: talking sense here where you can't you can't not allow
Speaker 2: them to step in. And I don't want them to
Speaker 2: step when there's a clanger, howler, a game changer.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a game change. What if you go, okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, Like I get it, I get it. It
Speaker 1: was a crucial decision. But mistakes are going to happen.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get every decision right. Well, I
Speaker 1: think you like the touch. You got that wrong, But that's.
Speaker 2: In the position we saw in now lounge room. That
Speaker 2: was wrong.
Speaker 1: So what were they supposed to do? So they play
Speaker 1: on across the back. What they get three tackles it
Speaker 1: down into the set and they go hang on. We've
Speaker 1: actually seen that it should be back here. The bunker
Speaker 1: would have done it, and that game doesn't stop. The
Speaker 1: game isn't It's not American football. We don't have stoppages.
Speaker 1: I don't watch if I watch trying to turn rugby
Speaker 1: league into NFL.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not. I just don't. I think we've got
Speaker 2: it there, use it, but sparingly.
Speaker 1: Right, I've had enough for you. Dally Cherry Evans, what
Speaker 1: a saga this has turned out to be. D c
Speaker 1: E versus Mestrov webv Moses nine v Fox Wide le
Speaker 1: v Rossfield on the undercart. It's Chambers v Read. That
Speaker 1: is very and so Dally Dally has he I love
Speaker 1: a smear campaign that was extraordinary. Media wasn't it terrible?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. He just didn't say it. He
Speaker 1: said it's a triple M S E N at the
Speaker 1: press conference. There's a blink going past saying smear campaign
Speaker 1: like he told everybody. For someone who wanted to get
Speaker 1: rid of speculation about his future, he's sort of speculation times.
Speaker 2: A thousand through of petrol.
Speaker 1: I know, how did you?
Speaker 2: I'm outraged by people because I know everything I've reported,
Speaker 2: there's nothing smear. It's factually correct, and it's been a massive,
Speaker 2: massive story, and I'm surprised DCU carried on the way
Speaker 2: he did. My opinion won't change ONNY. I think he's
Speaker 2: been well looked after over fifty years. I think him
Speaker 2: and his managers should have worked hard to do a
Speaker 2: deal with Manly before they just went on Channel nine
Speaker 2: and announced it was going. I don't you know, It's
Speaker 2: just not the right way to do business at a
Speaker 2: fifteen year employee.
Speaker 1: Maybe they treated him poorly.
Speaker 2: Look if you went to News Corp your employer and said, oh, look,
Speaker 2: you know the editor is smearing me the CEOs, well
Speaker 2: you don't say it whereby not publicly.
Speaker 1: I think he's playing I think both gamps are playing
Speaker 1: a pr war, and I think DC is winning it.
Speaker 1: I do buzz he didn't get booed at all there
Speaker 1: at Brooklyn very mind.
Speaker 2: But look, I.
Speaker 1: Just again we disagree. I think Manly stuffed it up.
Speaker 1: They should have sorted this a long time ago. And
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of us to do with
Speaker 1: Tony Mestrov wanting to have complete control and power of
Speaker 1: that club. I know he's the CEO, but you've got
Speaker 1: to sometimes you've got to realize you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: win a camp with or without Cherry Evans. You win
Speaker 1: it with him, so you do what you do to
Speaker 1: keep him.
Speaker 2: I've said all along that there's two sides that fault here,
Speaker 2: and both of them have had very, very poor table
Speaker 2: manners in the negotiations, and it's finished up with a
Speaker 2: legend leaving the club.
Speaker 1: I reckon. The thing that's annoyed him the most was
Speaker 1: the stuff about the release, because it was explained to
Speaker 1: me from the Cherry Evans camp. The release was asked
Speaker 1: for some time ago about returning the Queen's lad for
Speaker 1: family matters, and now that's been used against him, and
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what's annoyed him the most.
Speaker 2: It has been leaking to mate who's been king.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of leaking.
Speaker 2: Okay, more important, bring my relationship with Danny Weidler into it,
Speaker 2: Please God, why? Because I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You're the big dogs. You're the big dogs. No, we're
Speaker 1: not saying there's like animosity, but it's like there's it's
Speaker 1: jeweling columns.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it is, it's and often you have a
Speaker 2: CLI vision on a Sunday morning with his column and
Speaker 2: there's been combat over the years. But I report things
Speaker 2: as I see and I don't even think about Danny
Speaker 2: as I'm sitting there at the keyboard doing my best
Speaker 2: to inform the punters.
Speaker 1: I've got you bifocal glasses. I can see Danny living
Speaker 1: rent free in your head. Listen where's he going? It's
Speaker 1: it's shaping up as a the dog Father versus the Godfather.
Speaker 1: Gus v politis Uncle Nick.
Speaker 2: So he know how to play the game. They play it,
Speaker 2: I reckon DC. He'll be singing that song at the Chalks.
Speaker 1: It better than that. What's that song?
Speaker 2: What's wrong? You know how to play the game. They
Speaker 2: play it hard but fair.
Speaker 1: That's a song from the Nine as pre what's he going?
Speaker 1: Where's he going?
Speaker 2: I think he's going the Chalkies.
Speaker 1: It seems our way, doesn't it? He does, But I
Speaker 1: mean there seems to be I know, Gus come out
Speaker 1: on Twitter and said or X and said, you know
Speaker 1: I'm not We're not interested. I don't believe that, do you?
Speaker 1: Reckon Tom a lot of things. Weeks later he denied
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Old Philip Ronald Gould and they
Speaker 1: came to Fruition. Yeah, the truth is out there.
Speaker 2: Look there's a smoke in Redcliffe. I also got told
Speaker 2: he might be interesting cat Lands, his wife and a
Speaker 2: couple of years in France.
Speaker 1: But I can say this one I spoke to some
Speaker 1: with the Gold Coast yesterday at the top end of
Speaker 1: the tree. They have not even a discussion about him, right,
Speaker 1: so that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Was that he's wedding seebs wasn't Oh god.
Speaker 1: We must be going there. Then go to a wedding.
Speaker 1: We play half back with him next year. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get into our final news. Tim Zoo is finding Joey Spencer,
Speaker 1: an American who's a loud mouth in in zoo Castle,
Speaker 1: Newcastle on Is it Sunday or Saturday?
Speaker 2: Sunday?
Speaker 1: On Sunday?
Speaker 2: Sorry, two o'clock before the forty what.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? There's some debate about whether Joey Spencer
Speaker 1: will fight because he's blown up about the judging judges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's going to fight. I think it's
Speaker 2: a bit of pre publicity hype that boxing generates every
Speaker 2: now and then.
Speaker 1: I love boxing. You can you could say anything about something.
Speaker 1: You can say that your opponent's a serial killer. That's
Speaker 1: all right as long as it gets tickets and pay
Speaker 1: per views.
Speaker 2: On the way in this morning, I stopped at Bramskate
Speaker 2: and I had a coffee with the most nervous man
Speaker 2: in Australian Sport, that being Matt Rose. Oh how is
Speaker 2: the boss of no limit? Who knows it is d
Speaker 2: Day for Tim Zero. He's lost his last two fights,
Speaker 2: the only two he has ever lost, clearly beaten in both,
Speaker 2: and unless he can beat Joey Spencer, I think it
Speaker 2: might be all over. Red Rover.
Speaker 1: Really, when he can retire.
Speaker 2: I think he will mate. I just don't think there's
Speaker 2: any way back from three straight losses, not at his
Speaker 2: age at thirty. He's not an up and coming boxer.
Speaker 2: He had his first fight in twenty sixteen. It was
Speaker 2: at an event at the Sydney Cricket Ground and he
Speaker 2: became world class. But what I like about Tim though,
Speaker 2: Matt Rose and the team said, you've got to come back.
Speaker 2: You've had two losses against a you know, we'll just
Speaker 2: put you up against a stiff basically, we'll just get
Speaker 2: your confidence back. We'll get to pay your audience. He said, No,
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna, you know, stay in this business, I'm
Speaker 2: going to fight the best, and he's picked one of
Speaker 2: the best available. Do you know now Tim Zoo is
Speaker 2: not in the IBF top ten really well, actually he's
Speaker 2: not in the top ten. If he wins this fight,
Speaker 2: he'll shoot into all of them.
Speaker 1: I find it really the loss of Fundora, like at
Speaker 1: finding him an awkward fightal of that at the last
Speaker 1: minute was always going to be, you know, a tricky
Speaker 1: task for him. I'm sad with how the Tim Zoos
Speaker 1: story is gone. He looked, you know, he was was
Speaker 1: going to go to America and take on Vegas and
Speaker 1: you know, and and become our best boxer in a
Speaker 1: you know, in a generation. He was so determined to
Speaker 1: step out of Costure's shadow. And then when things started
Speaker 1: to turn, he just tried to trade in on the
Speaker 1: on the Zoo name I Reckon And I think that
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly I think there was mixed messages about you know,
Speaker 1: who he was and what he wanted to be, you know,
Speaker 1: say my name, say my name, which was an le thing.
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, I just it's he's become. Boxing is
Speaker 1: so brutal, and it's such a lonely sport. If you
Speaker 1: if you lose a couple, you're out the door. You've
Speaker 1: seen it with Cambos, you know.
Speaker 2: The ramorifications of a loss. It's not just him, but
Speaker 2: it's no limit boxing and they're the number one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do things world class. I don't care what you say.
Speaker 2: They're big events.
Speaker 1: They very much almost saved Astray and boxing in many ways.
Speaker 2: Yes, but if they lose Tim Zoo from their stable
Speaker 2: there in Strie.
Speaker 1: They're they're in stra So there is a limit, Yes,
Speaker 1: there is no limit.
Speaker 2: And as I said, Maddie Rose is so nervous. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: but Tim Zoo despite I think he'll win because he
Speaker 2: is a great fighter. He's better than his tactics were
Speaker 2: wrong in the last fight, and he's tough.
Speaker 3: He is shy boy, shy boy, mate, he's got a
Speaker 3: glass Juli, beg your pardon. You know what, I'm just
Speaker 3: giving you a bit of grace. I'm going to give
Speaker 3: you till about round seven or eight. And then if
Speaker 3: you keep sledging me and climb across there, how you
Speaker 3: I'm going to climb across there. Just go bang bang
Speaker 3: and do what I should have done twenty odd years ago.
Speaker 2: The Dalm story will be told in upcoming episodes listeners
Speaker 2: and yeah, the day James Hooper saved Web, The.
Speaker 1: Day I tried to fight half of News Corp at
Speaker 1: them after party. All right, right, let's move on to
Speaker 1: our next segment, War stories.
Speaker 2: I love war stories. I love them. And it's your term.
Speaker 2: It's your turn.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to February two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: when I was about twenty kilos lighter and had more hair,
Speaker 1: and i'd just been I joined the Telegraph two weeks earlier,
Speaker 1: and you were my sports editor. Yes, and I start and,
Speaker 1: like every young journo who starts at a new master,
Speaker 1: heek because it quite a big move, wasn't it, from
Speaker 1: the Herald to the Telegraph.
Speaker 2: Can I tell people that it took me to schoon.
Speaker 1: You said this last week, and that's a lie. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what I don't think any of us can
Speaker 1: remember what happened that night. And the story that fell
Speaker 1: into my lap from a very good contact was that
Speaker 1: Michael Clark Australian captain. Was he captain then?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he was. I think Panda
Speaker 2: might have been mate.
Speaker 1: I think he was the vice captain. Sorry, it's good
Speaker 1: to know. I'm glad I know my own story. He
Speaker 1: was the vice captain and they'd won a test, right,
Speaker 1: they'd won a Test, and they kept Clarkey, one of
Speaker 1: the songs under the Southern Cross sung early so he
Speaker 1: could depart the dressing rooms at the SCG. They'd lost
Speaker 1: the series of South Africa, but they had won that
Speaker 1: test by one hundred and three runs. At the Sydney
Speaker 1: Cricket Ground. That's the tradition of singing under the Southern Cross,
Speaker 1: and Simon Caddich was the custodian of singing the song,
Speaker 1: and Clark kept saying, I want to you know, I
Speaker 1: want to move along, want to move it along. I
Speaker 1: got told it was because he wanted to see Lara Bingle.
Speaker 1: Clark actually denied that in his autoboom many years later. Look,
Speaker 1: I just think it was because of but his teammates
Speaker 1: certainly thought it was to see Lara Bingle. Anyway, Simon
Speaker 1: Caddich grabbed him by the throat and held him up
Speaker 1: against the wall, and it was passed off as a
Speaker 1: just a minor skirmish that happens in every sporting team.
Speaker 1: But it just showed the simmering tension in that side
Speaker 1: towards Michael Clark. What's surprise you with that story? Buzz
Speaker 1: was was so Peter Young was ahead of corporate affairs.
Speaker 1: I remember Peter Young. You saw the glasses and the
Speaker 1: beat and the bow tye. It was quite a good
Speaker 1: It was an eccentric character, good operator. And I called
Speaker 1: him and he said, I'll get back to you quite quickly,
Speaker 1: and he came back with prepared statements from both of them,
Speaker 1: Caddy Chang class. So they been waiting for the story
Speaker 1: to go and I'd got out first.
Speaker 2: What surprised mood? Where be just interrupting? The Australian cricket
Speaker 2: dressing room is probably the most sacred place in Australian sport.
Speaker 2: What happens inside that dressing room for AE hundred and
Speaker 2: more years stays inside that dressing room, all the antiques,
Speaker 2: all the you know. I can't believe it got out. No,
Speaker 2: and how did you get the story?
Speaker 1: I heard it from someone I'm not giving up.
Speaker 2: Was it a player? Can you say that much?
Speaker 1: Let's just say it was a former player connected to
Speaker 1: who was well connected witness. Well, then I subsequently founded
Speaker 1: up with eyewitnesses and people around Clark and Caddich.
Speaker 2: It was a massive story where it was a start
Speaker 2: and back page.
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing. So at the time News Corp
Speaker 1: News Corp. It ran on the front page of every
Speaker 1: single newspaper in the tab in the News tab Corp
Speaker 1: in the news Corp, in the news Corp family, except
Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph, where I was working, because the editor
Speaker 1: of the time, Gary Leannelle, was very excited about the
Speaker 1: fact that it was going to be forty seven degrees
Speaker 1: in city. The next day it turned out to be
Speaker 1: twenty six. I got bumped off the front paget. I
Speaker 1: got found for a weather story. But I remember Connie.
Speaker 1: I remember he was a great editor. Gary Lenell. I
Speaker 1: called in heally for a reaction piece the next morning
Speaker 1: and that was his first thing that buzz. He goes,
Speaker 1: who told you? I said, I can't say, and he said,
Speaker 1: I've got nothing to say. He's dark on me.
Speaker 2: You've raised a really big story, because from there it
Speaker 2: became very, very apparent that Michael Clark was quite distant
Speaker 2: from the rest of that cricket side, particularly in retirement.
Speaker 2: His fortieth birthday were.
Speaker 1: beIN, yeah, yeah, I've heard this from people before that
Speaker 1: you know, there's no cricketers at it, which is which
Speaker 1: is fine. Pastor present plays, which is fine. But it
Speaker 1: just shows that Clark is a different cat, you know.
Speaker 2: But even you go to the and you come to
Speaker 2: the Test too in Sydney and you see all those
Speaker 2: great old champions, either in the Fox box or the
Speaker 2: Channel seven box? Or are you usually are with your
Speaker 2: mate Stephen Gibbs. What Stephen Gibbs like feeding plus one?
Speaker 1: He is? He is, Actually he loves Jackson.
Speaker 2: He'll drink for Australia. Russ Jackson my chief of staff.
Speaker 1: I've got to say this, Once you drink cold beer
Speaker 1: out of a frosty glass, I can't go back. I'm
Speaker 1: not going back to plastic cups.
Speaker 2: Look back to Clarkey. I never see him there at
Speaker 2: the Sydney Test. He doesn't seem to be part of reunions.
Speaker 2: And look, I've had a very colorful history myself with
Speaker 2: Clarky when he was on the big Sports breakers. So
Speaker 2: I peered every Monday and every second Monday we'd have
Speaker 2: a major blue to finish up the Daily Mail.
Speaker 1: We're very combative.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I can find a blue better than most.
Speaker 2: But I actually like him a lot, Yes so do I.
Speaker 1: I Look, don worry. Clark and I had a very
Speaker 1: ups and downs, so we were all right after that
Speaker 1: story with the bigger blue we had was twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: when I had actually been at the cricket and the
Speaker 1: former very very well known former captain came up and said,
Speaker 1: when are you one of you? Blake's going to write
Speaker 1: about how the Australian cricket team are off. Michael Clark
Speaker 1: he was out with that hamstring injury. So this is
Speaker 1: two fifteen. I remember writing it and that caused absolute
Speaker 1: World War three. But you know what, and I was
Speaker 1: told it was wrong and it was a beat up.
Speaker 1: And then all these subsequent autobiographies from all these players,
Speaker 1: Mitchell Johnson, Clark himself, they all confirmed it in their
Speaker 1: own books. So so like this story and like and
Speaker 1: like that story. Then it gets denied. You beat up, merchant.
Speaker 1: This is all bullshit. Your sources have told you lies,
Speaker 1: and then you know what, it's just social story. But
Speaker 1: then it ends up being confirmed. It's just a reminder
Speaker 1: to me that if you're strong enough in your sources
Speaker 1: to don't flinch and still write it. But let me
Speaker 1: just say this, I get on great with clarky now
Speaker 1: and I have a great relationship with talk better.
Speaker 2: There's all the takedowns in his life, the Karl Stefanovic
Speaker 2: fallout and the video. Yeah that's the Bell, his longtime
Speaker 2: accountant who set him up for life. He's on the
Speaker 2: water down there at Rose Bay. He's got probably just
Speaker 2: squillionaire Clarky, but they no longer talk. I think it's sad.
Speaker 1: It is sad, I do.
Speaker 2: I really think it's sad because I find him a
Speaker 2: good bike too.
Speaker 1: Carl Stefanovic v. Michael Clark in NUSA. It's like a
Speaker 1: Kathy King episode. Anyway? Was it a great story?
Speaker 2: That didn't Carl do his hammy?
Speaker 1: He did? I remember? What did Clark? You call him? Carlos?
Speaker 1: The We probably can't. I know, I know we could
Speaker 1: swear on this podcast. We probably drew a line there.
Speaker 1: All right's just for a story.
Speaker 2: I can't heard him for next week.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell and listen. Well just well,
Speaker 1: just very briefly. It's thirty years in Super League on
Speaker 1: April and I spoke to John Quowle, the general manager
Speaker 1: of the Australian Rugby League earlier this week. I said
Speaker 1: thirty years qualely and he you know, he didn't even
Speaker 1: flinchy goes, He said, mate, I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: was the anniversary he said for us. The battle started,
Speaker 1: you know a couple of years earlier. What's your Super
Speaker 1: League war story? I was just a young journal in
Speaker 1: the Hunter Valley back then.
Speaker 2: So I went look a young boughts editor at the
Speaker 2: Sunday Telegraph at the time and a Rugby league writer there.
Speaker 2: And it was the most difficult period of my career
Speaker 2: because I was working for a company and I didn't
Speaker 2: agree with what they were doing and my mates were
Speaker 2: on the arl side RK and Quail and a lot
Speaker 2: of the officials there. It was a really, really difficult
Speaker 2: story to cover where me and I'll probably go into
Speaker 2: more deal. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You know, this is along the story down the track.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, but it got to a stage where
Speaker 2: I did quit over it. I James Packer rang me
Speaker 2: and offered me a job at Rugby League Week has
Speaker 2: edited a car a parking spot, good money. Do you
Speaker 2: know what he said to me? He said, I need
Speaker 2: a decision in twenty four hours. I said why. He said,
Speaker 2: because I went on Alan James's show Tomorrow morning bagging
Speaker 2: news Corp about how they're dictators and I want you
Speaker 2: on the footy show tomorrow night bag in news Corp
Speaker 2: visit it, I said, James, that's why I want to leave,
Speaker 2: because people were telling you what to do. Thankfully, I
Speaker 2: stayed independent always, absolutely, don't you Ever.
Speaker 1: Was how much? What was the increase in money?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? No increase?
Speaker 1: Are you going to get he wanted you to go
Speaker 1: for the same money?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I tell you when I decided to stay,
Speaker 2: it would have been some more money. Yeah, well how
Speaker 2: much I'm not now on no that you don't reveal this?
Speaker 1: How much of a percentage?
Speaker 2: The super League coverage at news Court. Rupert Murdoch once
Speaker 2: poked his head into conference. He said, where's the sports editor?
Speaker 2: I put my hand up. I maybe, mister Murdoch, you said,
Speaker 2: just look after super League. No, it was very very lighthearted.
Speaker 2: It was very lighthearted.
Speaker 1: Good on you, uncle rub Yeah, it would have been
Speaker 1: great days.
Speaker 2: But you know we've got a thousand make that's a
Speaker 2: beauty the Cad Clark story. Did you win an award
Speaker 2: for that?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't. Actually that's why ever since then, I've
Speaker 1: rarely gone in awards because I thought, if that will
Speaker 1: can't even get a no, No, they're fast anyway, it's lefty.
Speaker 2: I don't left you. I don't write for awards, I
Speaker 2: don't enter all.
Speaker 1: We don't do this job for the awards. You do
Speaker 1: it for the cash, right, let's get let's get to
Speaker 1: feel US forecast. But what's your feel US forecast For
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 2: I've turned to the big game. Eastern Suburbs Roosters versus
Speaker 2: South Sunny Rabbit is my favorite game of the year.
Speaker 2: I don't care where they are on the ladder. I
Speaker 2: don't care what sort of struggles they are going through.
Speaker 2: It'll be a cracker. You know why because the twill
Speaker 2: Mitchell is back and you click more Turnstiles and he
Speaker 2: will bring more eyeballs to Fox and Channel nine. It
Speaker 2: is a super super game. I think Sous with him back,
Speaker 2: will comfortably beat the Roosters thirteen plus. And I would
Speaker 2: throw Latrelle in as an any time try scorer.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I will say, though, the most important thing is gamble responsibly.
Speaker 1: Andrew, thank you for that tip, Uncle Buzz. Mine's the Panthers.
Speaker 1: I can't believe people are you know, the dynasty's over, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been up for a while, the old Pennies,
Speaker 1: haven't they Yeah they have, you know, like they in tonal.
Speaker 2: To look a little bit Vegas hangover.
Speaker 1: I do, I know, I do, yeah, but still but yeah,
Speaker 1: they probably do. I think the problem was they look
Speaker 1: so good against Cronulla in that in Vegas. Like, I
Speaker 1: thought that was a quality game. You know what I
Speaker 1: really noticed at that stadium at Allegian, where were we
Speaker 1: were sitting, where we were the sweet we were in
Speaker 1: Halp High. It was almost like brook value right on
Speaker 1: top of it. You could really get an appreciation for
Speaker 1: the speed of the game. That game is very quick.
Speaker 2: I love how you spend the day in the suite.
Speaker 2: I was in the press box. I was a working
Speaker 2: accredited journalist.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a little tip. You get more stories in
Speaker 1: the suite than you do in the press spot.
Speaker 2: I scooped you on the biggest story there where the
Speaker 2: Warriors assistant coach came out of his room and at
Speaker 2: half time and grabbed grabbed the.
Speaker 1: I scooped you. It wasn't that I couldn't care less
Speaker 1: about an assistant coach, And it got a lot of clicks.
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. So I like the Panthers will
Speaker 1: be back with a vengeance, particularly with Nathan Cleary back
Speaker 1: in the side. I know there's no Sorenson, Edwards or Edwards,
Speaker 1: of course, but still I think Pendrith wild do a job.
Speaker 1: Thirteen plus Alamodi ta lungey, Liam Martin. Always a bit
Speaker 1: of value for a back rower to score. Anytime I scores,
Speaker 1: that's fourteen dollars gamble responsibly.
Speaker 2: Is this shut the one you do with your nephew?
Speaker 1: We no, no, no, I do one with my nephew
Speaker 1: every week. That's that's good. It's good.
Speaker 2: What do you call it?
Speaker 1: The jay Monday multi? That's my nephew who's a tyler
Speaker 1: on the North coast and that good. Isn't that a
Speaker 1: great to bond with your.
Speaker 2: You're you knock around a lot of tradees.
Speaker 1: I come from a family of traders. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: I was smart. I got out. You bring about sport
Speaker 1: for a living, which we've just done for the last
Speaker 1: forty five minutes or so. Very good. Thanks so much.
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Speaker 1: See you next week. Buddy, see you guys,