WEBVTT - Sharri | 14 May 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:05.399 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.680 Good Evening tonight, the new Liberal leader Susan Lee finally 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:15.560 declares expenses paid by the Palestinian Authority. My exclusive. In 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.320 a moment, this is Andrew Hasty declares he has future 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.560 leadership ambitions. I'll play you his comments shortly. Plus will 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:25.959 cross live to Abu Dhabi, where Donald Trump is on 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.720 his first official state visit. He's being grilled over that 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.760 lavish gift of a plane from Saudi Arabia. Surely he's 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.480 worried about surveillance. Plus, the director of the grouping new 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.080 documentary October eighth, will join me to explain how anti 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.160 Zionism is the new anti Semitism. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:51.880 Rather than the outrage being directed against those slaughtering the Jews, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.560 the outrage was being directed at the Jews for objecting 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:57.520 to being slaughtered. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.400 It's a powerful documentary. It's all coming up, but first tonight, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.759 an investigation has found the new Liberal leader Susan Lee 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:10.480 failed to declare personal expenses paid by the anti Semitic 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:16.120 Palestinian Authority. Her office launched an internal investigation after I 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.720 had discovered in January that Susan Lee had failed to 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:25.880 declare accommodation, meals and transport paid by the Palestinian Authority 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.640 on a trip to the West Bank in twenty eleven. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.720 Other labor politicians who went on that trip did declare 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:39.560 gifted meals, transport and accommodation from the Palestinian Authority, but 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.920 Susan Lee did it. At the time, she was a 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.960 strong critic of Israel. She demanded Palestinian statehood, accused Israel 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:53.080 of occupation, and even sponsored a Palestinian child. But it's 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:58.280 her failure to declare expenses that's in breach of parliamentary guidelines. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.520 When I reported this in January, her office told me 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:07.040 they'd launched an internal investigation, and today, just one day 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:12.040 after she became leader, her spokesman said an administrative oversight 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:17.240 occurred whereby Misley's disclosures were not updated to reflect the 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.640 fact that some accommodation, some meals and ground transfer were 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:27.720 provided by the Palestinian National Authority. In January twenty twenty five, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.960 Misslee formally made that declaration to the Deputy Clerk of 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.480 the Parliament and the Deputy Clerk confirmed the matter was resolved. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.280 This is highly embarrassing having to make a declaration to 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.600 the Deputy Clerk in twenty twenty five for expenses paid 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:50.440 by the Palestinian authority fourteen years after her trip, and 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:56.120 only declaring this after our revelations. Treasurer Jim Chalmers this 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:01.280 week described the Liberal leadership contest as a of the duds, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.240 and it's hard to disagree with him. The reality is 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.400 that Labour's now sitting on some ninety three seats, the 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:14.800 Coalition on forty three. It's an unbelievable fifty seat difference, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.160 and of the coalition's forty three seats, only twenty eight 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.520 are held by the Liberals. The challenge for the Liberal 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.880 Party is monumental. It's been reduced to a shadow of 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:32.240 its former self. It's a virtual wipeout. They need to 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.440 regain credibility. They need to regain the trust of Australians. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.640 They need to regain the opportunity to govern and to 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.560 call back upwards of thirty seats. And this simply can't 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:50.440 be done with a mediocre or untested politician. It needs 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.760 an extraordinary talent, a politician who can capture the imagination 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:59.480 of Australians, who can connect with voters and convince them 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.920 to sup the party. It needs to be a leader 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:09.360 with charisma, of standout intellect and someone who's inspiring, who 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.320 has vision for our nation. There's no one like this 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.360 at the moment in the Liberal Party and there are 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.839 no good options currently to lead the party in the 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:25.320 House of Representatives. There is only one credible and genuine 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.400 option if the Liberal Party ever wants to govern Australia again, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.680 and that's for the party to convince Josh Friedenberg to 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.480 run again. As the Liberals have learned in Victoria against 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.839 Daniel Andrews at the last election, it doesn't matter how 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.560 hopeless a government is if the opposition isn't strong, if 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:51.680 it doesn't provide a credible alternative, voters won't elect them. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.760 And then in terms of funding, which is essential for 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:59.039 fighting and winning election campaigns, Freedenburg would be the best 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.680 bet as well to engage donors and the business community, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.880 because right now Liberal donors are currently walking away from 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.839 the party. They can't walk away fast enough and you 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.240 can't blame them who would give their heart earned to 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:18.080 this shambles of a party. One Liberal donor described Susan 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:23.160 Lee to me as a lemon. That's brutal, But the 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:28.799 reality is Susan Lee is a placeholder. She's not the answer. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.359 No one believes that the current leader will ever be 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.080 Prime minister, but her comeback story from resigning in disgrace 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.279 in early twenty seventeen is quite something. You might recall. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.200 She was forced to resign from the front bench after 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.000 an expensive scandal where it was revealed she bought an 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.599 eight hundred thousand dollars Gold Coast investment unit while on 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.559 a taxpayer funded trip. This scandal emerged on the front 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.320 page of The Herald's Son whereas it was bild is 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.440 a big exclusive, and it was, and Susan Lee then resigned, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.640 but it later emerged that the entire story was the 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.480 work of Labour's dirt unit. Sam Maiden revealed in her 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:19.240 book Party Animals that Bill Shoden's dirt unit secretly orchestrated 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.040 her downfall by leaking a dossier of travel records to 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:29.560 newspaper outlets to engineer a political crisis. And Scott Morrison 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.760 later brought Susan Lee back to the front bench and 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.120 she's part of his center right faction that's led by 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:41.159 Alex Hawk. But the main reason Susan Lee then became 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.279 deputy leader is that after the Brittany Higgins, Scoundal and 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.800 the Me Too movement. There was the perception that the 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.919 Coalition had a women problem. It was one of the 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.680 reasons the Coalition lost in twenty twenty two. So Peter Dutton, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:01.000 when he became leader, decided he needed a female as 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.880 his deputy and there were very limited options in the 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.280 lower House. They were either new or lower profile MPs, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.720 and so it was that Susan Lee was elevated to 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.480 the senior role. But there was then a problem with 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.720 her views on Israel, which were out of step with 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.360 where the Liberal Party sat and in fact with the 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:27.480 Liberal Party's official policy position, and Susan Lee's beliefs belonged 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.240 in the albert Easy left faction. I reported on this 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:36.120 back in January this year. Susan Lay was a pro 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:41.160 Palestinian advocate for some fifteen years, at least before she 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.160 visited Israel for less than a week in late twenty 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.600 twenty two and changed her perspective. That visit was after 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.440 she became the deputy Liberal leader in the wake of 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:57.480 the May twenty twenty two election. And here's some of 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.880 what Susan Lee said. As a lifelong Palestinian advocate. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.120 As someone with a long term affinity for the Palestinians, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.600 including co chairing this Parliament's Friendship Group over many years, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.000 I wish to highlight the Palestinian perspective. Less than five 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.080 percent would remember a time without Israeli occupation. I support 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.800 the Palestinian bid for statehood in part because it will 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.600 give heart to the ordinary people of the West Bank 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:23.200 and Gaza. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.520 And her call there in twenty eleven for Palestinian statehood 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.400 was even to the left of the Labor Party at 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.480 the time, but it was the following comments that were 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.079 the most offensive. The ones I'm about to show you. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.120 They're on par or perhaps worse than comments made by 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.560 both Albanesi and Pennywok. Again, this is from my expose 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.840 in January this year. In a two thousand and eight speech, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.400 Susan Lay said, and I quote, Israel has many friends 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.760 in this country and in this Parliament, the Palestinians, by comparison. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:08:59.880 Have few. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.160 Theirs. Is not a popular cause, but it is one 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.480 I support in part out of knowledge that the victors 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.240 in World War II, including Australia, wrote a homeland check 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.920 to cover the sins of the Holocaust and centuries of 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.280 anti Semitism in Europe, but it was the Palestinians who 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.320 had to cash it. I find that particularly shocking because 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.880 it feeds into the narrative that the Jews don't belong 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.439 in Israel, when in fact, Jews are indigenous to the 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.440 land of Israel and lived there for thousands of years 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:34.480 before Islam was even invented. And then Susan Lee was 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.040 asked about those specific comments in her press conference yesterday. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.320 She now says she had a change of heart after 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.720 her trip in late twenty twenty two when she became 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.080 deputy leader of the party, and she said yesterday in 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.880 her press conference that she now supports Israel but remains 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.680 a friend of the Palestinian people. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.040 Following my appointment as deputy, I took a trip at 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.240 the invitation of Julian Lisa, an outstanding colleague and dear 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.120 friend to Israel, and I spent a lot of time 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.600 seeing what was happening on the ground and the impact 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.720 of that trip and the change geopolitical circumstances of the 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:17.240 Abraham Accords with Israel reaching out for peace to Saudi 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:22.280 to Morocco, and then of course, the hideous events of 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:27.319 October seventh in Gaza have changed my thinking on the 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:28.840 entire subject. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.319 Now, you heard there that she said that Abraham Accords 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.320 were one of the reasons she changed her views, but 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.760 she claimed they were with the Saudis. Well, of course, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.240 the Abraham Accords were not with the Saudis. They were 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.400 with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, and Israel is 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.000 still trying to do a normalization deal with Saudi Arabia, 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.199 and Trump spoke about it just today, And of course 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:54.880 the fact that they were on the verge of such 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.560 a deal is one of the reasons why her mass 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.440 attacked Israel on October seven. But the point is, Susan 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.480 Lee changed her long held criticism of Israel just a 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:11.240 year or so before October seven, and she did so 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.000 in order to be in line with the policy position 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.439 of the Liberal Party. Now I think it is terrific 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.480 she visited Israel, that Julian and Lisa took her and 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.720 that she then changed her perspective, and we need more 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:29.479 people who are open minded like this. But I'm unconvinced 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.600 she's best placed to lead the Liberal Party after holding 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.800 views further to the left than Alban Easy and Penny Wong. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.960 She's also changed her views on other issues as well, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:46.120 like banning live sheepexpots. She once argued strongly in favor 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.200 of the ban for animal cruelty reasons, now she supports 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.480 the trade. This flip flopping has led to accusations she 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.400 isn't a woman of conviction, that she doesn't know what 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.960 she stands for. In The Nightly writes that it was 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.760 telling that the first note that went to journalists after 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.680 Susan Lee's victory was to clarify that Susan Lee's last 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:13.840 name is pronounced Lee as opposed to lay Letika says 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.000 that so little is known about the former Deputy leader, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.880 who's been in federal politics for a quarter of a century, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.440 should be of concern, particularly given that if she survives 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.880 to fight the twenty twenty eight election, she'll be older 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.000 than John Howard was at the time of his last 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.839 win in two thousand and four. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:34.439 Now. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.000 Susan Lee also wanted to be Shadow Minister for Foreign 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.440 Affairs when Simon Birmingham retired, but Peter Dutton didn't think 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.160 she was up to the job. He didn't think she 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.160 was good enough. Yet she's now the leader of the party. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.520 Make of that what you will, but at least twenty 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.160 five members in the Liberal Party don't have confidence in her, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.920 and under her leadership the party will remain divided, there 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.559 will be no union. Look, she has a tough job 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.199 ahead of her and we can only wish her luck. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.560 But if the party wants to govern again, if it 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.959 wants to provide a serious alternative to the Albanezy government, 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:18.520 which actually the nation needs for democracy, then Liberal MPs 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.000 and Liberal senators need to put their own egos aside 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:27.080 and do everything they can to beg Josh Friedenberg to 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:34.280 run again at the next election. Okay, we've got a 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.240 lot coming up in the show tonight, the Extraordinary interview 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.800 with the director of the documentary a bit later. But 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.760 now let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.080 Kroger and labor legend Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both. Look, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.800 I want to get your reaction to Susan Lee Graham Richardson, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.560 You've got to you'd have to agree, Sully that she 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.360 is a placeholder. She's not someone who provides any threat 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.600 to Albanezy at all. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.760 I can't imagine her becoming Prime Minister, that's for sure. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.240 I don't think that she's got what it takes to 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:12.000 attract our votes for that. So I think she's a 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.200 leader who's temporary. I think she's there till they decide 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.599 who they want to be leader. The difficulty is, I 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.440 don't think there's anyone there. I mean, this is just 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.160 a time when the Liberal Party covered as Bear. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.920 Well, I don't disagree. I mean that's what I've just 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.800 been saying. So, Michael, do you think they need to 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.200 look at who is a genuine, credible, talented individual and 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.080 isn't that Josh Friedenberg. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.200 Well, it's obviously matter for Josh down the track. But 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.640 can I just say, Shari, and you know my position 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.920 on Israel, there would be few people as passionate about 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.240 Jewish and Israeli rights in the Liberal Party than me. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.240 I have discussed these matters with Susan Lee not so 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:04.000 long ago, and I am in no doubt as to 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.960 the solidarity she has with the Jewish community and the 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.480 people of Israel without necessarily saying it's her view. When 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.520 people look at the issue from a Zeri knowledge base, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.880 you think, oh, yeah, Jewish rights, Palestinian rights, fair enough, Okay, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.000 they should have their rights, they should both have land. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.160 But the more you look into it. The more times 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.240 you visit Israel, and particularly her visit in twenty two, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.520 the more you understand that this is a country that 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:38.120 has for decades had on its borders countries committed to 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.800 its destruction. And eventually, over time a peace deal was 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.680 done with the Egyptians, resolution of conflicts with the Jordanians, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.240 but there's no peace deal with Assyrians, the Lebanese or 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.960 the other Arab countries apart from the four and the 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:59.040 Abraham Accords. So the more you know Susan went there 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.400 and you see the borders, you see how close I mean, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.800 Gars is an hour drive from Jerusalem, and when you 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.960 go there, you get a seat, You get a seat 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.320 before she'd been there before, she'd been there before. But 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.080 the more you look at the issue, the more you understand. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:21.840 And I'm in no doubt whatsoever about the solidity of 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.160 Susan's views in relation to Israel. I think she fully 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.080 understands the issue, made that point yesterday, and Jewish Australians 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.720 should absolutely no concerns whatsoever about her. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.640 Positions now well Andrew has By the way. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.640 There's plenty of politicians have changed their positions over issues. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.960 I mean, elbow was opposed to turnbacks on a completely 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.720 unrelated issue for years. Remember that he didn't want the 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.040 boats to turn back, and then he changed his vision. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.920 So this is not unusual for politicians. Reagan was a 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:49.800 Democrat once. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.560 All right, Well, Andrew Hasty clearly has leadership ambitions, and 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.280 he admitted as much on a podcast today. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.800 Have a look, I'd be foolish to say I don't 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.600 have a desire to lead. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.000 I do have a desire to lead. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.400 Graham, what do you think? I mean, you've studied political 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.119 hope fools over decades and decades. Do you think he'd 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.439 make a good future leader? 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.120 Yeah? I do. I don't know the fellow. I've never 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:18.560 met him. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.640 You've never met You've never met him. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.800 Now, I've never met him, But I find, you know 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.200 when I when I look at him on the telly, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.240 he looks pretty good to me. Certainly, the guy has 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.440 a real understanding I think of world issues more certain 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.120 than a lot of liberals do. And I think he 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.840 he's the goods. I think he's going to do well 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.359 in the future. He looks to me like a leader 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:44.879 for sure. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.280 What do you think, Michael, do you think Andrew Hasty 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:49.679 would be a future leader. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.480 Look, sharing, as Richard knows better than any of us, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.679 there's not a single member of the Federal Parliament, in 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.040 the House of Reps and the Senate who doesn't want 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.600 to be a leader of their party. I mean, this 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:09.439 is an ambition business. You know, find me one. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.919 This isn't about personal ambition. There's sorry to interrupt, but 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.480 this isn't about personal ambition. There's very few people who 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:23.399 have the intellect, the leadership ability to lead our entire nation. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:28.119 And clearly we haven't had those figures, you know, in 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.000 those positions because well as much as you don't have 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.000 it with elbow, yeah. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.200 You don't have it with elbow and charmers right elbow. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.080 You know, he's got an economics degree, he's got no 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.959 in to the economics, and Gym's got a degree in 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.080 Paul Keating. I mean that these are not these are 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.760 not serious economic managers, which is why the debt level 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.399 in this country is out of control and we've got 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.560 deficits for thirty five billion. Until you know into the Nevin. Ever, 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.119 Susan Lee's got a master's degree in in tax and accounting. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.600 So don't underestimate the elect of this woman and all 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.040 these women out there, all or left women criticizing her. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.760 I mean, you're talking about intellectually gifted person in Susan Lee. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.840 And if label want to fight her on tax on 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.160 super good's, that's the Liberal Party's number one brand equity 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.080 on tax. So if Albo and Charmers want to fight 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.560 Susan on that, well, good luck. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.119 I think the point is for people who are extremely 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.880 unhappy with the alban Easy government and with the Prime 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:33.280 Minister himself. We've covered that at length on this show, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.399 there needs to be an extremely strong leader of the 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.560 Liberal Party otherwise they will never get back into power richer. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.480 Would you agree with that? I would never, but at 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.520 least for the next six years. Anyway, they need to 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.320 win back fifty seats. 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.520 Yeah, it's going to take a while, hopefully a long while. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.760 It is going to It is going to take a while. 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.440 There's an awful lot of ground and makeup. I mean, 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.080 I don't think people quite understand just how bad this 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.680 election result has been. They're in strife that the rules. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:06.640 I mean, they'll get out of it. I'm not one 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.360 of those doomsday sayers. The Liberals will certainly recover and 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.320 they'll be back in government. But how long And I've 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.159 got a feeling it's going to be quite a while. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.520 Yeah, well, if they don't mustle up and get a 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.160 proper leader in place, it will be at least a decade. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.160 It's extraordinary. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.920 Well, they've got a proper letter and don't underestimate it. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.040 The Whitlam government lasted three years? How long did Campbell 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.879 Newman last? He won what ninety percent of the seats 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.600 and was gone. You know, tony one and thirteen will 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:36.720 almost gone in sixteen. 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.680 This gover will be about as Whitlam. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.919 Michael, Well, I mean I think they're appalling, and you 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.080 know I keep saying and let's let you know, we're 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.280 adults in this show and people watching, so let's let's 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.520 not bet around the bush. Labour didn't win because of 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.840 their positive plan for the future. They don't have a 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.879 positive plan future. They won because in eight weeks they 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:01.280 ran a brilliant, nasty, dirty campaign attacking Peter Dutton's personal credibility, 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.200 which is what Labor best at, and preyed on elderly 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.920 Australians by convincing that their Medicare cards would be stolen 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.840 from them under Peter Dutton and Urgent Care clinks would 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.720 be closed and Medicare funding would be slashed and burned, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:15.719 and the nuclear was going to cost six hundred billions. 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.239 And seriously, it was built on the Titians and it 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:19.760 was built on a tissue of lies. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.040 Let's be honest fort the young vote by promising to 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.520 pay off. Of course, Hex stats. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.520 Well, sixteen billion dollars, sixteen billion dollars to people who 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.040 are going to earn a huge amount of money when 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:35.160 when they're older and people are at university now don't 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.840 get the benefit and what being paid for by tradespeople 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.160 and nurses and teachers are having to pay off these debts. 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.800 I mean, that's just improper. I mean, it's bad politics 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.000 and it's bad policy, and it's costing a sixteen billion. 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.040 I'm going to get to this fascinating story. It's a 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.280 new book that covers Joe Biden's mental decline and it 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.080 has details on that fundraiser. You remember when Jeorge Clooney 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.240 finally admitted that Biden wasn't the man to leave the 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.520 Democratic Party. Now, in this book, it says that Joe 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:09.040 Biden didn't recognize George Clooney backstage before the event, and 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.280 he even needed an aid to remind him who he 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:16.159 was Richo. I mean, if this is true, and you 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.920 expect it is, it's written by a CNN journalist, where 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.000 does the effort to hide Biden's mental decline rank in 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.320 the great political cover ups? I mean, that's unbelievable. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.520 Oh, it's right up there. There's no doubt about that. 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.120 I mean, poor old Joe, he didn't know what room 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.040 he was in. Literally, literally the leader of the Free 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.680 will didn't know where he was half the time. I mean, 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.320 it was a really dangerous situation, I think for the world, 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:46.399 and I'm delighted in the end that he resigned that. 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.359 You know, we've got a different a different government, and 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.960 it's I think going to be a better one. I mean, 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:57.480 even though Trump's not so's my fan favorite, I none 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:02.119 the less recognize that Trump's some real abilities. I Mean 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.440 one of the things that he is that you could 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:10.080 never accuse Biden of is his decisive He'll make up 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.320 his mind, he'll make decisions. Biden just wanted to put 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.240 him in the bottom drawer and hope they'd go away, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:16.359 but they don't. 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:18.880 You know what, Well, there's one thing I can say 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.119 about you, rich Or. Your comments never ceased to surprise. 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.840 It didn't think you'd be sitting here saying that Trump's 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.760 current administration was better than Biden's. I mean, you hated 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.719 Trump every week he said you'd prefer Kamala Harris. Now 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.760 you're saying he's running a good presidency. 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:39.560 I think, Look, I think I've got a responsibility to 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.720 have a look at things and judge them not by 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.520 what God thought in the past, but by what's happening 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:45.080 in front of me. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.400 Good on you. I appreciate that ability to change your mind, 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.200 and I'm glad I'm pleasing it. At least run Australian 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:52.040 over here. 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.720 I have to say, though, Shari Jake Jake Tappa has 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.159 a nerve to write this book. He was one of 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.760 the biggest apologists before election for Biden. He went, there's 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.400 a million Internet clips of his on his show where 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.480 he's criticizing the Republicans and anyone else that said Biden's 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:14.600 in mental decline. He was a ferocious, ferocious defender of 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.919 Biden's mental capacity. You play them will be gob smecked 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.560