Speaker 1: Listeners are advised that this podcast series Bromwin contains course
Speaker 1: language and adult themes. This podcast series is brought to
Speaker 1: you by Me Headley Thomas and The Australian. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to merge this call with Karina. Okay, Karna Berger.
Speaker 1: You heard her, she found the handset timetable. All right, eh, yep, yep, Hey,
Speaker 1: Kaarina you're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here Headley and.
Speaker 3: He's on the line.
Speaker 1: He's very grateful that you found that timetable.
Speaker 4: How Annie, thank you for your diligence forwarding that document.
Speaker 2: Well, that's my pleasure. That's a privileged to be helping
Speaker 2: your family.
Speaker 5: That's been fantastic the help we've been getting.
Speaker 2: Well, they's community detectives.
Speaker 4: Hello, I'm seening you a couple of peaks horror up
Speaker 4: the ladder than the fleece.
Speaker 1: The day before the release of this episode, Bromman's brother
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, hinted at some of his frustration over the
Speaker 1: failure of police over many years to give just as
Speaker 1: much chance in this case. We were on a call
Speaker 1: with Karina Berger, an experienced lawyer who has been giving
Speaker 1: her time and expertise to help this podcast investigation into
Speaker 1: Bromwin's suspected murder thirty one years ago. Karina and many
Speaker 1: other listeners who have become deeply invested in Bronwan are
Speaker 1: making a powerful difference. In Episode fifteen, Kaarina's discovery of
Speaker 1: a May nineteen ninety three official timetable for Answered Australia
Speaker 1: supported our suspicions that John has misled police with his
Speaker 1: claims of having made two long distance telephone calls from
Speaker 1: the house in Sandstone Crescent shortly before Bromwin disappeared. It
Speaker 1: now appears likely that John was in a jet high
Speaker 1: above Australia's eastern seaboard when those calls were made, probably
Speaker 1: by Bromwin. Another stitch in a pattern of what looks
Speaker 1: like interwoven deceits, another apparent example of a failure by
Speaker 1: previous police investigations to thoroughly check all the relevant claims
Speaker 1: made by someone who has always emphatically denied having murdered
Speaker 1: his estranged wife. Words like frustration and disappointment do not
Speaker 1: do justice to Andy's view of how police have handled
Speaker 1: his sister's case since nineteen ninety three. At times his
Speaker 1: emotions boil over and I hear a powerful anger. He
Speaker 1: is buoyed that this podcast series and the remarkable efforts
Speaker 1: of listeners have produced new leeds and witnesses.
Speaker 4: Joe Putlick and people are quite better at finding things
Speaker 4: out and frame more diligen on what they are as
Speaker 4: so frustrated.
Speaker 1: But it is a double edged sword because Andy is
Speaker 1: sure that his involvement with the podcast has meant that
Speaker 1: the new South Wales Unsolved Homicide Units, Detective Inspector Nigel
Speaker 1: Warren and other detectives are more wary of Andy telling
Speaker 1: him nothing. Just before the Bromwin series started, Andy met
Speaker 1: Senior Police with his wife Michelle. The detectives told him
Speaker 1: that they would not be able to advance their cold
Speaker 1: case investigation without new evidence. That position appears to have
Speaker 1: changed with the public interest and revelations in this series.
Speaker 1: Detectives flew from Sydney to cool and Gatter to take
Speaker 1: a statement from Judy Singh after her revelations in episode
Speaker 1: seven about seeing John and what Judy believed was a
Speaker 1: body in the back of the Ford Falcon. Detectives have
Speaker 1: also taken statements from Judy's friend Kerry McLain and from
Speaker 1: Bromwin's neighbor and friend, Virginia Bevers and Inspector Warren has
Speaker 1: sought from me and my employer, The Australian, a number
Speaker 1: of documents and files, including all of my interviews with
Speaker 1: those women. We have provided these. For all we know,
Speaker 1: Inspector Warren and the unit's detectives are independently uncovering important
Speaker 1: information away from the spotlight and diligently preparing a brief
Speaker 1: of evidence to present to the Office of the Director
Speaker 1: of Public Prosecutions, the same office which in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three rejected a senior coroner's recommendation that John Winfield
Speaker 1: should be prosecuted over Bromwin's alleged murder. Andy Reid, however,
Speaker 1: still dumbfounded by the hopelessness of the early investigations into
Speaker 1: Bromwin's disappearance, is not convinced. He tells me that he
Speaker 1: sometimes feels like he is having to alert detectives to
Speaker 1: what's going on and lobby them to do their job.
Speaker 1: The day before the release of this episode, Andy and
Speaker 1: I spoke again. The head of the homicide squad, Danny Doherty,
Speaker 1: was at a media conference today with the Police Commissioner
Speaker 1: for New South Wales, Karen Webb, and there was a
Speaker 1: question from one of my colleagues at The Australian about
Speaker 1: Bromin's case. She cleared the rostrum so that he could
Speaker 1: talk about it. Danny Doherty stepped up.
Speaker 6: What was his response just in relation time ongoing bronwin podcast?
Speaker 6: What's going on with the John Winfield investigation and what
Speaker 6: is the force doing in response to the revelations?
Speaker 7: Response in terms of for that matter, that's on investigation
Speaker 7: as current investigation and it's well documented.
Speaker 5: There's a podcast in Israel following that story.
Speaker 7: But in terms of the unsold term they have that investigation,
Speaker 7: it's current and that's oncoming. Is there any updated all
Speaker 7: that we probably read about in an Australia or listened on
Speaker 7: the podcast? However, we can't comment on white investignations currents
Speaker 7: in terms of why wasn't mister Winfield charged as the
Speaker 7: coroner recommended it all those years ago.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about it already.
Speaker 7: I went to the DVP and at this stage in
Speaker 7: sufficient evidence to charge any person.
Speaker 5: The strengths will for the role.
Speaker 1: They're obviously playing their cards pretty close to their chest.
Speaker 4: When I'd been messaging Nigel and I was getting those
Speaker 4: responses of sorry, I'm not able to disclose anything at
Speaker 4: this present time. We will be in touch when we
Speaker 4: are in a position, I want to reach out to
Speaker 4: him to say, well, who's following, what are you up
Speaker 4: to date with what's going on. We had all revelations
Speaker 4: regarding the flight inventories and all the rest of it,
Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure that he didn't even know about it.
Speaker 4: When I first disclosed about the historical fight records and
Speaker 4: all the rest of it, where knocking down doors, breaking barriers,
Speaker 4: coming up with you info, he was taken aback by it.
Speaker 4: He wasn't aware of any of them. That's when I
Speaker 4: pressed him further and then he had to disclose that.
Speaker 4: From all the way back at episode seven, Judy, seeing
Speaker 4: they still haven't got any official statement from New Zealand.
Speaker 1: From the doctor who corroborated Duty's account of going to
Speaker 1: the Byron Bay Police station, correct, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about how the police are performing?
Speaker 4: I just can't believe that they can be so slow
Speaker 4: on this matter. We've got something that's a major podcast
Speaker 4: that's breaking down all sorts of barriers and coming up
Speaker 4: with all sorts of information. I don't believe that there
Speaker 4: is anyone that is directly involved with Broman's case that
Speaker 4: he's up to date.
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre that you've got to tell them what's
Speaker 1: already been broadcast to hundreds of thousands of people.
Speaker 5: Bizarre, absolutely bizarre.
Speaker 1: My theory is that they handled this.
Speaker 4: That Paulie and that badly originally that I feel either
Speaker 4: they're embarrassed or they don't want it out there in
Speaker 4: the limelight. I can't believe that they're not acting on
Speaker 4: anything to your knowledge.
Speaker 1: They could be doing things behind the scenes that we're
Speaker 1: not aware of. It is beyond dispute now in my
Speaker 1: view that the original investigation of bromwin Winfield's disappearance in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three was utterly abysmal, just like the appalling
Speaker 1: early police investigations of wife killer Chris Dawson, who murdered
Speaker 1: his wife Lynn in nineteen eighty two. Dawson got away
Speaker 1: with it for four decades. In twenty eighteen, New South
Speaker 1: Wales Police, under the then Commission Mick Fuller, helped make amends.
Speaker 1: His detectives ran a very thorough, painstaking investigation led by
Speaker 1: Daniel Poole. Mick Fuller kept close tabs on the Dawson investigation.
Speaker 1: He stood up to respond to media questions about it.
Speaker 1: He publicly admitted the failure of police to handle it
Speaker 1: with professionalism in the first decade, and he repeatedly pledged
Speaker 1: the police force's determination to solve the crime. Fuller did
Speaker 1: not disclose any operational details that would have been improper,
Speaker 1: but he was proactive. He showed leadership and a steely resolve.
Speaker 1: By contrast, Fuller's successor, Commissioner Karen Webb, has been completely
Speaker 1: silent on Bromin's case.
Speaker 3: She wanted nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: When the questions were asked in a media conference the
Speaker 1: day before this episode, the most senior homicide detective in
Speaker 1: the state, Danny Doherty, had next nothing to say. That's
Speaker 1: very poor form in my view, how do they think
Speaker 1: families like Bromwin's should feel With performances like those, It
Speaker 1: is easy to understand why Andy Reid and Bromwin's relatives
Speaker 1: and friends believe they are being treated shabbily again by police,
Speaker 1: and at the highest levels this time, and why Andy's
Speaker 1: dead sister, a mother of two girls, is not getting
Speaker 1: the top level attention that she has always deserved. There
Speaker 1: is a striking feature in all of the evidence and
Speaker 1: information from John For me, It is the sketchiness of
Speaker 1: the information. It is the banal generality weaved around, an
Speaker 1: absence of detail and the lack of expression of concern
Speaker 1: for Bromlin's welfare. Bromin was the mother of John's biological
Speaker 1: child Lauren, the mother of John's stepdaughter Crystal, and the
Speaker 1: stepmother of John's daughter Jodi. Bromwin must have been his
Speaker 1: soulmate for some of the years they were together in
Speaker 1: a de facto relationship, and then as husband and wife,
Speaker 1: John and Bromwin were obviously estranged and she wanted a divorce.
Speaker 1: The marriage was finished. Half of all married couples deal
Speaker 1: with this, but it is an extraordinary event when a
Speaker 1: young mother completely vanishes five years later. Feelings of remorse
Speaker 1: and genuine concern for the woman's welfare would surely be
Speaker 1: present for an estranged husband notwithstand the tensions in the
Speaker 1: original separation. Five years is the time between Bromwin's disappearance
Speaker 1: and John's interview in the Baroner police station. It is
Speaker 1: a long time to reflect on the complete absence of
Speaker 1: the most significant person in the lives of your young children.
Speaker 1: John's presentation in the police interview, however, is cold to
Speaker 1: Glenn Taylor, John presents as indifferent to Bromin's whereabouts or fate,
Speaker 1: and perhaps it is because, in John's version, the missing
Speaker 1: woman to whom he was still legally married, the mother
Speaker 1: who had planned to drop her two girls at school
Speaker 1: in Lennox Head on the Monday morning, is still alive.
Speaker 1: In the previous episode, you heard John being specifically asked
Speaker 1: about this by Glenn Taylor in that upstairs interview room
Speaker 1: near the Richmond River in nineteen ninety eight. Do you
Speaker 1: think your wife might be deceased?
Speaker 8: No, No, no reason for me to think that way.
Speaker 1: So you think she's somewhere in this country under another identity?
Speaker 8: Well, well, I mean I'll tell you the truth. I
Speaker 8: reckon I could go anywhere alike and assume another identity.
Speaker 8: I don't see why anyone else can't. I mean, it
Speaker 8: wouldn't be hard.
Speaker 1: In the transcript of the only formal interview John has
Speaker 1: done with police in the thirty one years since Bromin vanished,
Speaker 1: something else is clear. The sketchiness in John's story about
Speaker 1: Bromlin after her May sixteen disappearance rises to a level
Speaker 1: of detail in some crucially important ways, and with the
Speaker 1: existence of an actual document. It is when John is
Speaker 1: describing some very unusual circumstances surrounding what has become known
Speaker 1: as the Medicare check. You heard a small part of
Speaker 1: this in the previous episode.
Speaker 8: We went to Sydney again for two weeks and it
Speaker 8: was during that two weeks that she came back, took
Speaker 8: clothes and left a Medicare check.
Speaker 1: Let's take a few moments to explain what exactly the
Speaker 1: Medicare check is or was. In nineteen ninety three, when
Speaker 1: Australians like Bromwyn Winfield went to see the doctor, the
Speaker 1: federal government picked up most and sometimes all of the
Speaker 1: bill through a system known as Medicare. A reserve bank
Speaker 1: check would be issued in the name of the payee,
Speaker 1: the treating doctor. It must have been a frustrating process
Speaker 1: at times for medical practitioners because the check would be
Speaker 1: sent by the Federal government or Medicare to the address
Speaker 1: of the patient in this case Bromwyn, and it would
Speaker 1: be then up to the patient to physically take the
Speaker 1: check to the doctor the payee.
Speaker 3: The doctor could then present.
Speaker 1: The Medicare check at the bank and when the check cleared,
Speaker 1: the funds would be posited into the doctor's account. In
Speaker 1: the case of this particular Medicare check, the amount was
Speaker 1: forty dollars and eighty cents.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a.
Speaker 1: Photocopy of the check. There is capitalized black type for
Speaker 1: the paye that's written as doctor F Initial G.
Speaker 3: Hughes.
Speaker 1: The date on the check is May one, nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3: There is a.
Speaker 1: Medicare logo in the top left hand corner, and the
Speaker 1: other detail written on the check comes under the heading reference.
Speaker 1: It states simply Missus b Winfield five Stroke forty two
Speaker 1: Byron Street, Lennox Head. Of course, that's the address of
Speaker 1: the townhouse owned by Shirley Taylor, the one which Bromwin
Speaker 1: started renting in March when she and the girls moved
Speaker 1: out of the Sandstone Crescent House, and where John changed
Speaker 1: a lock so that her keys would not let her
Speaker 1: get back in.
Speaker 3: For completeness, is.
Speaker 1: John earlier in his interview with Glenn Taylor mentioning doctor
Speaker 1: Hughes the paye for the Medicare check. She reckons.
Speaker 8: She told me just before we separated that she had
Speaker 8: a nervous breakdown in the January of nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 8: all right, and I said to her, you know, what's
Speaker 8: a nervous breakdown? I've heard of it, but can you
Speaker 8: tell me what it is? You know, I sort of
Speaker 8: didn't understand, but she reckoned. She had a nervous breakdown
Speaker 8: and she went to see the doctor in Lenox I
Speaker 8: don't know if it was doctor Watson or doctor Hughes.
Speaker 8: I don't know which one it was.
Speaker 1: Later Glen Taylor would go to see the doctors bromwin
Speaker 1: was known to have consulted, and nobody had any record
Speaker 1: or recollection of treatment of bromin for a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 1: A voice actor will read the brief statement which doctor
Speaker 1: Francis Hughes signed on September seven, nineteen ninety eight, at
Speaker 1: the Lenox Head Medical Center, where his clinic was situated.
Speaker 9: My age is seventy seven. I hold the degrees of
Speaker 9: Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, and Bachelor of Arts
Speaker 9: and Obstetrics. I graduated from the University of Dublin, Ireland
Speaker 9: in nineteen forty seven. On the fifteenth of April nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety three, I saw Bronwyn Winfield at my surgery at
Speaker 9: the Lennox Head Medical Center. She informed me that she
Speaker 9: thought she might have AIDS and requested to be sent
Speaker 9: for a blood test. She also informed me that she
Speaker 9: was separated from her husband and that he was waking
Speaker 9: her up several times at night and she was very tired.
Speaker 9: She didn't elaborate any further in relation to this at
Speaker 9: the time to my knowledge, and I don't recall asking
Speaker 9: her anything further about her domestic matters. I arranged for
Speaker 9: her to have a blood test on the twenty first
Speaker 9: of April nineteen ninety three. Her blood test results were
Speaker 9: received at my surgery, which revealed a negative result. I
Speaker 9: do not recall whether she checked up on her test results,
Speaker 9: but most people checked by telephoning the surgery a couple
Speaker 9: of days later. I do not make a note on
Speaker 9: the person's file of whether they have inquired or not.
Speaker 9: I did not make any comment on her file as
Speaker 9: to her manner or demeanor during that appointment. I have
Speaker 9: not seen Bronwyn Winfield since that appointment on the fifteenth
Speaker 9: of April nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: Before returning to the mystery surrounding the Medicare check, I'll
Speaker 1: try to summarize two matters that come out of the
Speaker 1: statement of doctor Hughes. His assertion that broman had told
Speaker 1: him that her estranged husband, John was waking her up
Speaker 1: several times at night, resulting in fatigue. Is similar to
Speaker 1: disclosures by Bromman to others that John was telephoning at
Speaker 1: all times and harassing her. Here's Bromwin's cousin and good friend,
Speaker 1: Megan Reed, speaking to me at her home on Sydney's
Speaker 1: Northern Beaches.
Speaker 10: I'd be on the phone talking to her at her
Speaker 10: flat when she moved into Bayron Street and you here
Speaker 10: screaming outside, let me let me. And she actually tore
Speaker 10: the phone off the wall at Montboy to something.
Speaker 1: And Bronwyn's sister Kim Marshall.
Speaker 11: I was even on the phone when he was banging
Speaker 11: on the Brewers down at the Fats.
Speaker 1: The reference by doctor Hughes to Bromwin's blood test for
Speaker 1: HIV and the negative result has a longer tail. Bromwin
Speaker 1: was worried about sexually transmitted disease. She believed that John
Speaker 1: had been seeing someone else. I'm not aware of evidence
Speaker 1: to confirm this belief. John was not asked about extramarital
Speaker 1: relationships during his interview with Detective Taylor. That Bromwin had
Speaker 1: been worried about HIV or aides as it was more
Speaker 1: commonly known in nineteen ninety three for a couple of years.
Speaker 12: I joined the Lenox Heead Medical Center in April nineteen
Speaker 12: ninety and have seen Bronwyn Winfield thirteen times for general
Speaker 12: medical care.
Speaker 1: She went to see doctor Susan Mitchell in February nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one in what was described as a highly agitated state.
Speaker 12: Presented highly agitated and requested that this consultation be kept
Speaker 12: separate to our usual family group record. She said that
Speaker 12: the woman John had had an affair with six years previously,
Speaker 12: leading to an earlier marital.
Speaker 2: Separation, had been confirmed.
Speaker 12: HIV positive blood was collected and returned HIV negatives.
Speaker 1: February nineteen ninety one must have been a particularly difficult.
Speaker 3: Time in Bromwin's adult life.
Speaker 1: It was just nine days after she had an abortion,
Speaker 1: which doctor Mitchell had helped arrange with a referral to
Speaker 1: another doctor. The abortion occurred in the twelfth week of
Speaker 1: Bromwin's pregnancy. Bromwin's blood test for HIV in February nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one was, of course negative, and it was negative
Speaker 1: in April nineteen ninety three too, when she went to
Speaker 1: see doctor Francis Hughes. Bronwyn was in good physical health
Speaker 1: when she vanished. Now, Medicare's payments system is much more
Speaker 1: advanced now and hardly anyone uses bank checks anymore. John
Speaker 1: appeared definite in his nineteen ninety eight interview with Glenn
Speaker 1: Taylor that the Medicare check had been signed by Bromwin.
Speaker 1: John also appeared definite that the check was not in
Speaker 1: the kitchen of the house in Sandstone Crescent when John
Speaker 1: returned to the house from Sydney on the evening of Sunday,
Speaker 1: May sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, the last time Bromwann was
Speaker 1: seen and confirmed to be alive. The Medicare check, according
Speaker 1: to John, was not there when he returned to the
Speaker 1: house from Sydney again on about May twenty seven, after
Speaker 1: some ten days away in Sydney. John's version is that
Speaker 1: when he went to Sydney with Crystal and Lauren over
Speaker 1: their school holidays in July, Bronwyn came back. On his version,
Speaker 1: she must have slipped quietly back into the house. She
Speaker 1: must have taken some clothing from the house when she
Speaker 1: left again, and thoughtfully. On John's version, Bromwin must have
Speaker 1: signed the Medicare check which was payable to doctor Hughes,
Speaker 1: but less thoughtfully Bromwyn left the check in the kitchen
Speaker 1: for John to deal with. In my view, John's evidence
Speaker 1: around the Medicare check, evidence which John spoke to Bromin's
Speaker 1: family and friends about in nineteen ninety three and to
Speaker 1: police in nineteen ninety eight when he was relying on
Speaker 1: it as proof of life for Bromwin, is some of
Speaker 1: the most damaging evidence against John because none of it
Speaker 1: makes rational sense. And that's before we talk about the
Speaker 1: signature purportedly Bronwin's signature, which is suspiciously very different to
Speaker 1: her Nolan signature.
Speaker 3: Here's deb Hall and Murray Nolan.
Speaker 13: Because I remember this conversation in July of that year.
Speaker 13: John had been in Sydney and said, did I had
Speaker 13: I seen Bromwin during the school holidays in the July
Speaker 13: school holidays? And I said no, why And he said, well,
Speaker 13: she's been back to the house. See what do you
Speaker 13: mean because when? And he said, oh, she's been here.
Speaker 13: And I said, Pat, do you know that?
Speaker 5: John?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 13: Well, if I had all these bags of clothes in
Speaker 13: the garage and half of them have gone, and there's
Speaker 13: a Medicare check being left on the table, and I went, Nah, no,
Speaker 13: you know, I'm saying this.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that, John. When did she come back?
Speaker 1: Nobody saw her, nobody heard her.
Speaker 2: How did she get here?
Speaker 13: And why would she not come and tell anybody she's
Speaker 13: the back. Oh, she's definitely bet in here, you kept
Speaker 13: saying to me, because he went to Sydney in those
Speaker 13: July holidays with the kids to get these bags of clothes,
Speaker 13: which we found out through Andrew were put in this
Speaker 13: little manhole that's twelk foot off the ground to get
Speaker 13: up to that manhole to get the bags. How did
Speaker 13: she know the clothes were in there? It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 13: It's not logical. And not only that, how did she
Speaker 13: carry all these bags on her own? We would have
Speaker 13: heard something. Murray was home that time during the day.
Speaker 13: Was he still recovering from his back injury so he
Speaker 13: couldn't work because he was working as a build up.
Speaker 2: I was at work and I certainly didn't see her.
Speaker 13: And if she'd come back at night, surely we would
Speaker 13: have hurt some commotion or.
Speaker 4: Something up there.
Speaker 2: You would have heard the garage door goer.
Speaker 13: Because it was a noisy garage anyway, on Saturday when
Speaker 13: we were talking about that.
Speaker 2: Again, had bindly dawned on me and I said, well,
Speaker 2: how did she get in?
Speaker 13: Because he had the keys in Sydney, and if she's
Speaker 13: come back during that time when he wasn't there, I
Speaker 13: don't know how she would have got in.
Speaker 1: We know that back on Friday May fourteen, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: when Bromin was distressed at being unable to get back
Speaker 1: into her own home, she called a locksmith out to
Speaker 1: Sandstone Crescent.
Speaker 3: Murray explains it this way, when.
Speaker 1: The Barron locksmith come there and cut her a key
Speaker 1: for the front door on the Briday night.
Speaker 5: But they would have just cut one key just to
Speaker 5: get her in. They wouldn't have tout two keys. That
Speaker 5: is my feury in right from when.
Speaker 13: Actually had the old keys to the house, but she'd
Speaker 13: had the feet of the deadlock that John put on
Speaker 13: in the Joy school holiday.
Speaker 5: She's apparently come back to the house.
Speaker 2: Well, if he's saying that she'd come back in, so
Speaker 2: there's that way she had.
Speaker 3: A couldie how'd she get in?
Speaker 1: John spoke to a number of people about Bromman's purported
Speaker 1: visit to the house with a Medicare check. The recollections
Speaker 1: of those people are good now. They must have been
Speaker 1: even better many years ago when their recollections were put
Speaker 1: into police statements during Glenn Taylor's investigation from nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: eight and then during George Radmore's cold case review for
Speaker 1: the Unsolved Homicide Unit in two thousand and nine and ten.
Speaker 3: Here's Megan reading from one of her statements.
Speaker 14: I distinctly remember John ringing me after riding home and
Speaker 14: supposedly finding that Bronwin had returned to the house while
Speaker 14: he'd been in Sydney. John was very excited, relieved and elated,
Speaker 14: and he stated, guess what. I've just walked into the
Speaker 14: house and Bronwin has been home. It's good news. She's okay.
Speaker 14: She has left a medicare check which wasn't there before
Speaker 14: I left, and taken some photos of the children. She
Speaker 14: must have a boyfriend because she's taken a pair of
Speaker 14: jeans and a jumper of mine. I actually said to him,
Speaker 14: well where is she? He said, well, she's obviously got
Speaker 14: a new man, because my jeans and jumper are missing.
Speaker 14: Thought that this was suspicious as it did not make sense,
Speaker 14: and I thought that he had orchestrated the whole thing.
Speaker 14: I also thought it was ridiculous that she would leave
Speaker 14: a Medicare check yet still not touch any of her
Speaker 14: own bank accounts.
Speaker 1: There are other fundamental problems with John's evidence about Brommin's
Speaker 1: purported return to the house in July nineteen ninety three
Speaker 1: and her alleged signing of the Medicare check. Will go
Speaker 1: through these, but were those problems given a pass by
Speaker 1: detectives Graham Diskin and Wayne Temby in nineteen ninety three
Speaker 1: because of the misreading of the time of a call
Speaker 1: on the Sandstone Crescent telephone bill and as a result,
Speaker 1: a misguided belief that Bromwin actually went back to the
Speaker 1: house in the early hours of Monday, May seventeen to
Speaker 1: use a home phone to check lotto results at two
Speaker 1: thirteen in the morning. Here's Glenn Taylor in one of
Speaker 1: my meetings with him and lennox Head. They believe that
Speaker 1: she'd come back to the house.
Speaker 15: During our reinvestigation and looking at the telephone bill, we
Speaker 15: quickly established that it wasn't two thirteen am.
Speaker 1: It was two thirteen pm, and it was the day before.
Speaker 15: It was the afternoon just prior to her disappearance some
Speaker 15: weeks later, and the running shirts indicated this. John Winfield
Speaker 15: contacted the police, the detectives at that time that we're
Speaker 15: looking into the matter and said Roma must have been
Speaker 15: back at the house because there's been a Medicare check.
Speaker 15: It was addressed to a local doctor, and those were
Speaker 15: the days where the lock of the patient goes to
Speaker 15: her doctor and then Nedicare would send a check made
Speaker 15: parable to the doctor and then the patient pays the
Speaker 15: difference of the bill. This particular check was addressed to
Speaker 15: a local doctor at Lenox Head, but it or a
Speaker 15: signature which should have been a signature for the doctor.
Speaker 1: It had a signature allegedly rom wingfel on the check.
Speaker 3: Just to reflect on that for a moment.
Speaker 1: The check should not have been signed by anyone other
Speaker 1: than the payee, doctor Hughes, but a signature which does
Speaker 1: not look like Bromwin's signature appeared on that check. Bromwin
Speaker 1: regularly saw doctors for herself and her daughters. She dealt
Speaker 1: with the Medicare system. It is highly unlikely in my view,
Speaker 1: that she would have erroneously believed that she needed to
Speaker 1: sign the check. John didn't deal with those administrative things
Speaker 1: while Bromwin was his partner. So John declared, look, she's
Speaker 1: lean back to the house. She's left a check here
Speaker 1: that she.
Speaker 15: Signed was on the table that wasn't here before. And
Speaker 15: also she's taken some clothes and she's even taken one
Speaker 15: pair of my jeans. So he was trying to indicate
Speaker 15: to the He looked, she's very much alive and she's
Speaker 15: gone on some extended holiday without contacting the children.
Speaker 1: Here are Michelle and Dandy at their home in the Shire.
Speaker 4: Clarity for me time when he made that phone call
Speaker 4: after the school holidays, we only briefly saw the girls
Speaker 4: in him on that trip. I believe he stayed out
Speaker 4: at his brother Pete and Louise out in Ingodoon, then
Speaker 4: returned home to Lennox, to the Sandstone Crescent and he
Speaker 4: made a phone call and he said, I've just got
Speaker 4: back to the house.
Speaker 1: Bromwin must have been here.
Speaker 4: There's a Medicare check on the bench, and there's two
Speaker 4: bags of clothes missing. I remember having that conversation with him,
Speaker 4: and I just remember hanging the phone up and I
Speaker 4: turned around her. I just looked at Michelle and I
Speaker 4: just saw it straight out to myself the bus has
Speaker 4: done something that was just clarity straightaway as soon as
Speaker 4: that phone call, none of it made sense.
Speaker 1: Did he know that you suspected him over Broman's disappearance
Speaker 1: at the early days.
Speaker 4: I think he knew that a minute he hung up
Speaker 4: the phone making that phone call all the way back
Speaker 4: in July because of the way you spoke to him. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm one hundred percent sure I sent you with that
Speaker 4: phone called. That just doesn't make sense. Why would she
Speaker 4: sneak back into the house while you're away and not
Speaker 4: she Debbi next door and tell her and tell someone
Speaker 4: in Lenny's head that she's okay?
Speaker 1: What are you thinking?
Speaker 4: I still remember this day hanging up the phone and
Speaker 4: turned around at Michelle and just gone that start right.
Speaker 3: No way in the world.
Speaker 1: Why would she sign a check that doesn't need signing?
Speaker 16: Yeah, and she worked in a beat in younger times.
Speaker 16: She knew she wasn't silly with checks and naturing you
Speaker 16: people didn't sign their own Medicare check. Feasibly that check
Speaker 16: was sent to that dress steps on there, which was
Speaker 16: Byron's and could possibly have been inside the handbait.
Speaker 1: Well, once you've started.
Speaker 4: Thinking there's a bit of hoot on me here, magically,
Speaker 4: go back home, produce this check. That could have been
Speaker 4: in the house the whole time. We don't know, but
Speaker 4: it could have been in the house the whole time.
Speaker 4: Magically produced this check. The police believe that that's a
Speaker 4: forward signature.
Speaker 3: Who signed it?
Speaker 4: The bags have closed, he refers to he actually put
Speaker 4: inside the manhole in the roost base. How would Bromin
Speaker 4: know to find her bags have closed in the roosts base?
Speaker 4: Brombin was always someone that was very, very feminine in ways.
Speaker 4: There's no one in the world w sister, I know it.
Speaker 4: So there's no way the world mysh sister would have
Speaker 4: gone and got a step ladder and bring precariously three
Speaker 4: meters or two and a half meters in the air,
Speaker 4: trying to meanhandle garbage bags, two garbage bags of clothes
Speaker 4: out of a manhole. How would you even know to look?
Speaker 1: Bit? None of it makes sense, mate, none of it.
Speaker 1: None of it. Well before the release of the first
Speaker 1: episode of Bronwin, Kim Marshall told me that she saw
Speaker 1: the Medicare check when she visited Lennox Head in June
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Her trip was meant to be a
Speaker 1: long overdue catch up with Bromwan. They had been planning
Speaker 1: it for some time.
Speaker 17: I spoke to her every day on the phone about
Speaker 17: my plane flight, what time my plane would rite, when
Speaker 17: I'd be going to hair Expo.
Speaker 2: Then I'd be getting on the Greyhound bus.
Speaker 17: We found the buses out together, what time the bus
Speaker 17: would arrive in Ballina. Because I'd never had an adult
Speaker 17: experience with Ronnie, it was always as the youngest child
Speaker 17: wild but this time it was going to be adopt
Speaker 17: to adult, and so we had all these wonderful twoks.
Speaker 11: It's going to be so exciting. I'll be able to
Speaker 11: show you all my dresses in my wardrobe.
Speaker 1: When Brommin disappeared, neither Kim nor her mother, Barbara, suspected
Speaker 1: that John had been involved in foul play, so Kim
Speaker 1: ended up staying in the house with Crystal, Lauren and
Speaker 1: John in June, just weeks after Broman's disappearance and shortly
Speaker 1: before John took the girls to Sydney for the July
Speaker 1: school holidays.
Speaker 11: John saying that Bromin's returned to the house and she
Speaker 11: signed it. The whole piece of evidence that it's missing
Speaker 11: is that I was in the house at week three
Speaker 11: after Bromwin, going straight after the June Long Weekend, I
Speaker 11: was there that medi Care check was already there.
Speaker 1: You're saying it's the same check.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, they.
Speaker 11: Sent the Mediicare check off to Cottognyard, those people that
Speaker 11: look at writing, and they said, yes, give us the letters,
Speaker 11: all the actual comparisons of handwriting.
Speaker 3: A month before the.
Speaker 1: First episode of Bromwin, Kim talked to me again about
Speaker 1: her observations from nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3: She understood the potential significance.
Speaker 11: What am I to do with my valuable and precious
Speaker 11: information about the Medicare check?
Speaker 2: And I can leave that question with you.
Speaker 11: But this is a question I keep asking Andrew all
Speaker 11: the time because my information about the Medicare check, I
Speaker 11: believe is crucial and very very serious.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get your information about the Medicare check on
Speaker 1: the record, So just describe.
Speaker 3: It for me please.
Speaker 1: Kim explained that, in her view, previous police investigations, including
Speaker 1: the most important one by the detective give Sergeant Glenn Taylor,
Speaker 1: had effectively sidelined her. As a result, her first hand
Speaker 1: knowledge of the Medicare check had not been put into
Speaker 1: a formal statement.
Speaker 11: My voice had not been heard by any of the
Speaker 11: police force, nor my brother or my sister in law
Speaker 11: being the young girl that I was that lived at
Speaker 11: the house in Lennox just after Bromwin was no longer there.
Speaker 11: That Medicare check I have cited, I have touched, and
Speaker 11: please don't think that I'm a horrible human for sayings
Speaker 11: My brother and my sister in law followed the police's
Speaker 11: directive orders to keep my mother and myself out of
Speaker 11: any type of involvement in Brahmin's missing person case or
Speaker 11: the inquest.
Speaker 2: It's just been totally ignored.
Speaker 11: Is it because people are scared that they got it
Speaker 11: roll by ignoring my infa before all?
Speaker 1: Right, when you were there in the days and weeks
Speaker 1: after Bromman disappeared, Yes, you saw the Medicare check at
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 2: Yes, and had a conversation in depth with Jonathan about it.
Speaker 3: What did you see and what did you talk to
Speaker 3: him about?
Speaker 11: The Medicare check was made out to a provider that
Speaker 11: Bromman had gone to for a general visit. It was
Speaker 11: the refund check for the payment that in the old
Speaker 11: days you had to sign and then mail back to
Speaker 11: the practitioner. And so that check was signed and that
Speaker 11: check was sitting in full view well before Jonason traveled
Speaker 11: down to Sydney with the kids in the school holidays,
Speaker 11: where he rang me and a number of other family
Speaker 11: members saying, Bromwin's been to the house. There's a Medicare
Speaker 11: check on the table, and she's removed a few of
Speaker 11: her clothes from the wardrobe, and she's taken a pair
Speaker 11: of my genes.
Speaker 1: I just need to clarify a couple of things, Kim.
Speaker 1: So the Medicare check was there when you went to
Speaker 1: the house after Broman disappeared, correct, But then that means
Speaker 1: the Medicare check could have been at the house before
Speaker 1: you arrived.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 11: He's used the Medicare check as a form of evidence
Speaker 11: that Broman has returned to the house after I visited
Speaker 11: and stayed at the house.
Speaker 2: I actually saw it signed, it was all ready to
Speaker 2: go back.
Speaker 11: I have a conversation in detail with Jonason about it
Speaker 11: because I love the fact of all the letter writing
Speaker 11: that's happened over the years that Rowan's crinching is so beautiful,
Speaker 11: like my mother's running writing and my own writing. And
Speaker 11: I made the comment as how beautiful all of us
Speaker 11: ladies in the family have the most beautiful writing.
Speaker 1: You are confident that Bromin did in fact sign that check. Yes,
Speaker 1: now here's the rub. Kim is the first to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that she is not a handwriting expert. However, when she
Speaker 1: saw the check in June nineteen ninety three, it bore
Speaker 1: what appeared to her at the time to be Bromwin's signature,
Speaker 1: even though there would have been no reason whatsoever for
Speaker 1: Bromwin or anyone other than the payee doctor Hughes to
Speaker 1: sign it.
Speaker 3: But put that aside for the time being.
Speaker 1: The key thing about what Kim says is that it
Speaker 1: directly contradicts John's version about the check turning up at
Speaker 1: the house while John and the girls were in Sydney
Speaker 1: over the July school holidays. John's reliance on that check
Speaker 1: materializing as a new proof of life of Bromwin being
Speaker 1: at the house while John, Crystal and Lauren were away
Speaker 1: in July is shot to pieces by kim sighting of
Speaker 1: the check in June.
Speaker 18: I know that it was there in the house before
Speaker 18: he traveled to Sydney and rang everybody and said, Bromwin's
Speaker 18: been in the house and Medicare check has appeared in
Speaker 18: the house.
Speaker 2: Next day that the check was there before.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just be Devil's advocate. Why would he
Speaker 1: want to rely on that when he knows that you,
Speaker 1: if you were questioned by police, would say, well, that's
Speaker 1: not true. It was already signed, and John and I
Speaker 1: even talked about it while I was staying there.
Speaker 2: I've been always discounted and dismissed.
Speaker 11: In this instance, it's happened again, and I just don't
Speaker 11: understand why it's not.
Speaker 2: A significant piece of evidence.
Speaker 11: I raised the Medicare check to them when I was
Speaker 11: actually at the Corona inquest.
Speaker 2: I was very politely just told to go away and
Speaker 2: keep quiet. They actually asked me not to attend one
Speaker 2: of the days.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid has told me that he remembered Kim coming
Speaker 1: to him about her observations of the Medicare check during
Speaker 1: the inquest. Andy said that he does not know why
Speaker 1: a statement was not taken from Kim then, or earlier
Speaker 1: or subsequently. I'm going to look at this again in
Speaker 1: upcoming episodes when we go through the evidence and testimony
Speaker 1: which unfolded over five days of public hearings at the
Speaker 1: two thousand and two inquest in the town of Lismore.
Speaker 1: West of Lennox Head. There is some remarkable material in
Speaker 1: the transcripts and some very vigorous cross examination of key witnesses.
Speaker 1: According to KIM, detectives including George Radmore from the Unsolved
Speaker 1: Homicide Unit, who subsequently focused on the forged signature angle
Speaker 1: with analysis by expert handwriting examiners at New Scotland Yard
Speaker 1: in London, have.
Speaker 11: Gone down the wrong part of investigation and their two
Speaker 11: embarrassed to reverse it.
Speaker 1: But in my view, George Radmore and his team of
Speaker 1: detectives were diligent and professional in sending multiple documents bearing
Speaker 1: Bromwin's signature to handwriting examiners in the United Kingdom. Bromwin's cousin,
Speaker 1: Megan Reid, was told about the outcome of that analysis.
Speaker 14: The Scotland Yard said it wasn't persecutor.
Speaker 1: For this podcast series, a respected handwriting expert in Australia,
Speaker 1: Taraney Dewhurst, looked at just one sample of Bromwin's known
Speaker 1: and confirmed signature and the signature on a very poor
Speaker 1: photocopy of the Medicare check. Tarney has helped me with
Speaker 1: handwriting analysis in the past. Some listeners will have heard
Speaker 1: her voice in the Night Driver series Tarney Dewhurst identified
Speaker 1: obvious differences in the two Bronwyn Winfield signatures, which, in
Speaker 1: her view, warrant further examination with better quality specimens. Lay
Speaker 1: people with no expertise in handwriting analysis can readily see
Speaker 1: the differences too. Detectives working with George Radmore on the
Speaker 1: case obtained good comparison samples during their cold case review
Speaker 1: fourteen years ago of Bromwyn's alleged murder. Why isn't it possible, though, Kim,
Speaker 1: that John, for example, if we pick up the police case,
Speaker 1: that John did forge Bromwin's signature, and that's what you saw,
Speaker 1: and he just did a really.
Speaker 3: Good job of it.
Speaker 11: And he could have because I've got an answer for
Speaker 11: that as well, because I could forge it.
Speaker 1: So you're not ruling out that he may have forged it.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's correct, most definitely in preparation for use.
Speaker 11: Definitely. No one's put that question to me. Am I
Speaker 11: being ignored because I was young? Am I being ignored
Speaker 11: because of the mental health? Am I being ignored because
Speaker 11: I'm a female? And they're the questions that I live
Speaker 11: with every day for many, many years, and they're destroying.
Speaker 1: Kim Marshall was twenty when the trip she had planned
Speaker 1: to lennox Head to spend time with her sister Bromwin
Speaker 1: went sideways. If there had been a modern police response
Speaker 1: to the disappearance of Bromwin, detectives would have descended on
Speaker 1: that house and declared it a possible crime scene. They
Speaker 1: would have had scientific officers combing it for evidence, but
Speaker 1: instead life went on as if nothing much had changed.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three. Kim did not know Bromman with
Speaker 1: anything like the kind of familiarity of most siblings.
Speaker 3: They had never together.
Speaker 1: Bromwin did not know of Kim's existence until Kim was four,
Speaker 1: but they were looking forward to getting to know each
Speaker 1: other better during the June visit, and that is another obvious,
Speaker 1: although rarely pressed, reason to doubt that Bromwin would suddenly
Speaker 1: up and leave with no explanation to Kim, with whom
Speaker 1: she had been talking and planning things in their phone
Speaker 1: chats between Hobart and lennox Head. It is hard to
Speaker 1: fathom now why Kim's visit went ahead in Bromwin's absence,
Speaker 1: as she and John had been separated for seven weeks
Speaker 1: before she vanished. Kim sleeping under the same roof as
Speaker 1: John in Sandstone Crescent under those bizarre circumstances must have
Speaker 1: been weird. It's hard to imagine the introverted John welcoming
Speaker 1: bubbly Kim, a younger woman whom he would five years
Speaker 1: later call the illegitimate one. As a result of many
Speaker 1: conversation and interviews, I'm confident that Bromwin's side of the
Speaker 1: family harbored a foreboding about John relatively early, from the
Speaker 1: third week of May, when Bromwin neither turned up for
Speaker 1: work at Eden's Takeaway nor came back from a so
Speaker 1: called break. Perhaps the read family suspicions had not become
Speaker 1: so serious as to call off Kim's visit.
Speaker 3: In mid June.
Speaker 11: I wrived ten to fourteen days after she'd lost Yeah,
Speaker 11: I demanded to go to the police station.
Speaker 2: When I got there, John waited for me at the
Speaker 2: bus stop.
Speaker 11: We went up to the house and I said, I
Speaker 11: want to go down to the police station now, and
Speaker 11: John took me down straight away, only to the police station.
Speaker 11: And I can tell you now, after going through everything,
Speaker 11: they have not written down a single thing that I said.
Speaker 2: When only to the police station.
Speaker 11: There's a brief mention from Discan that I had visited
Speaker 11: the station, and I don't understand why he didn't take
Speaker 11: any notes.
Speaker 1: If the police running sheets are accurate in relation to
Speaker 1: Kim stay, she arrived in Lenox on June fourteen.
Speaker 11: As I was living there with John, I became very frightened.
Speaker 11: John went to be so early because he'd get away
Speaker 11: from me as quick as he could, so I'd be
Speaker 11: awake in the house by myself.
Speaker 2: I started searching around the house.
Speaker 11: I'd look at the window, thinking she got a knock
Speaker 11: on the window and say here, come here quickly.
Speaker 1: A stay of ten days would have seen Kim say
Speaker 1: goodbye to John, Lauren and Crystal. On June twenty four
Speaker 1: Kim headed north to Surface Paradise on Queensland's Gold Coast.
Speaker 1: The timing fits with the police running sheets noting that
Speaker 1: John told police he left Lennox head on June twenty
Speaker 1: six for the visit to Sydney with Lauren and Crystal.
Speaker 3: Over the course of this pod cast series, you have.
Speaker 1: Only very briefly heard about Bromwin and Andy's younger half sister, Melissa.
Speaker 1: Melissa's mother is Jennifer, who married Andy and Bromman's father, Philip.
Speaker 1: Melissa lives in Sydney, and she has been privately following
Speaker 1: the podcast very closely. While there has been no contact
Speaker 1: between Melissa and Andy and other read relations for many years.
Speaker 3: You are going to hear from Melissa in the.
Speaker 1: Next episode because she is breaking her silence.
Speaker 19: Broma would never have left those girls. Barba left Bromwin
Speaker 19: when she was very small. It's not something that Bromlin
Speaker 19: would have ever wanted to see happen to her children.
Speaker 19: We discussed it, We talked about it had happened to her.
Speaker 19: She knew how it felt. She would have taken them
Speaker 19: if she disappeared. She would have disappeared with those two
Speaker 19: young children by her side.
Speaker 2: She would never left those children.
Speaker 1: Melissa and Bromwin were close. Kim recalled that back in
Speaker 1: June nineteen ninety three, Melissa was deeply concerned and she
Speaker 1: did not want Kim near John because when.
Speaker 11: She found out I was in the house, she thought
Speaker 11: that that was inappropriate and that she needed to check
Speaker 11: to see if I was okay. We were telling the
Speaker 11: police that we were frightened and suspicious that something was
Speaker 11: going on.
Speaker 1: It is impossible to know how many police records and
Speaker 1: running sheets from nineteen ninety three have gone missing. I
Speaker 1: have not cited one which notes the concerns of Melissa
Speaker 1: and Kim from that time. Family tensions and unresolved issues
Speaker 1: between Kim and Andy are unfortunately always close to the surface.
Speaker 3: In another interview with Kim, she became.
Speaker 1: Emotional while reflecting on her proximity to John in June
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2: Only Andrew put me in that house. He put me
Speaker 2: in that house. He made me go up there so
Speaker 2: I could have eyes on Jonathan. So now I understand,
Speaker 2: and this has nothing to do with everything.
Speaker 20: He knew that Jonathan had done something bad and still
Speaker 20: set me up to live in that house. And that's
Speaker 20: why Melissa got in the car to come up to
Speaker 20: make sure it was safe, because she was the only
Speaker 20: one that thought it was the Broxic to do.
Speaker 3: I asked Andy about this, so Andie.
Speaker 1: In one of my conversations with Kim, she becomes quite
Speaker 1: distressed because in her mind, she's been asked by you.
Speaker 3: Or you've let her go up there.
Speaker 1: In mid June, so that's a month after Bromins disappeared.
Speaker 4: I didn't actually ask let to go to Lennich Head.
Speaker 4: I found out about it very very late. I remember
Speaker 4: saying to her or maybe you could possibly find out something.
Speaker 4: You could possibly find out some information. Anyone that found
Speaker 4: out about it would have been advised you to be
Speaker 4: very careful, don't push the wrong buttons, don't go too far.
Speaker 21: She makes the point that she was only twenty and
Speaker 21: not very worldly wise, with a bit of reflection, she
Speaker 21: was probably potentially put it into some certainly an unusual
Speaker 21: situation and possibly a dangerous one.
Speaker 4: Well, with what we know now after the fact, one
Speaker 4: hundred percent it was a dangerous thing. Learning more and
Speaker 4: more from her friends and finding more and more out,
Speaker 4: we were one hundred percent very very suspicious by that stage.
Speaker 4: Melissa visited on her way back from being on some
Speaker 4: sort of break up in Queensland.
Speaker 1: What do you understand Melissa knew and did when she
Speaker 1: discovered that Kim was staying at the house in Lennox head.
Speaker 4: Melissa advised King that she thought it was dangerous to
Speaker 4: be at the house when she found out that she
Speaker 4: was there, and advised that she should get out of it.
Speaker 1: Brown is written and investigated by me Headley Thomas as
Speaker 1: a podcast production for The Australian. If anyone has information
Speaker 1: which may help solve this cold case. Please contact me
Speaker 1: confidentially by emailing Bronwyn at the Australian dot com dot Au.
Speaker 1: You can read more about this case and see a
Speaker 1: range of photographs and other artwork at the website bronwynpodcast
Speaker 1: dot com. Our subscribers and registered users here episodes first.
Speaker 1: The production and editorial team for Bromwin includes Claire Harvey,
Speaker 1: Kristin Amiet, Joshua Burton, Bridget, Ryan Bianca, far Marcus, Katie.
Speaker 3: Burns, Liam Mendez, Sean.
Speaker 1: Callen, Matthew Condon and David Murray. Audio production for this
Speaker 1: podcast series is by Wasabi Audio and original theme music
Speaker 1: by Slade Gibson. We have been assisted by Madison Walsh,
Speaker 1: a relation of Bromwin Winfield.
Speaker 3: We can only do this kind of journalism with the.
Speaker 1: Support of our subscribers and our major sponsors like Harvey Norman.
Speaker 1: For all of our exclusive stories, videos, maps, timelines and
Speaker 1: documents about this podcast and other podcasts including The Teacher's Pet,
Speaker 1: The Teachers Trial, The Teachers Accuser, Shandy's Story, Shandy's Legacy,
Speaker 1: and The Night Driver, go to the Australian dot com
Speaker 1: dot Au and subscribe s