Speaker 1: Get everyone. Welcome to Drafted, the first episode of our
Speaker 1: dedicated super Coach Draft show for season twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: We'll be dropping into the official super Coach podcast feed
Speaker 1: with our positional draft rankings in the preseason, as well
Speaker 1: as some waver Wire content during the regular season. But
Speaker 1: to start with, let's start with the basics. If you've
Speaker 1: ever thought about getting into Super Coach Draft but don't
Speaker 1: know where to start, this is it. We'll be going
Speaker 1: through all the basics of super Coach Draft to get
Speaker 1: you started and on your way. I'm Dossi. You may
Speaker 1: have heard me on shows such as The Phantoms Lair,
Speaker 1: The Draft Doctors, and podpot The Point of Difference podcast.
Speaker 1: Have played one form of draft or another for every
Speaker 1: year over a decade, have a few premierships under my belt,
Speaker 1: but recently I'm much more well known for my ability
Speaker 1: to be runner up unfortunately in the last few years.
Speaker 1: Joining me, though, I have two favorites of the super
Speaker 1: Coach community, both former members of the world famous Jock
Speaker 1: Reynolds podcast, reuniting right here on Drafted. First off, very
Speaker 1: familiar voice right here on this feed patch, I'll introduce
Speaker 1: your special guest.
Speaker 2: We've got as well.
Speaker 3: Good a.
Speaker 4: It's a delight to be here and a delight to
Speaker 4: introduce the man who introduced me to drafting and drafts.
Speaker 4: It's leg Dog.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, gentlemen. It's exciting to come
Speaker 2: out of retirement.
Speaker 3: For the sixteenth time.
Speaker 2: The sixteenth time.
Speaker 4: Yes, the tattered copy of the Michael Jordan press release
Speaker 4: of I'm Back is getting a bit bit torn and
Speaker 4: tatted and covered in stains.
Speaker 2: Yep, But I'll drop it next year as well when
Speaker 2: I retire later this year. It's going to be fantastic.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited to talk about Super Coach Draft in
Speaker 2: an official format. Bloody exciting.
Speaker 1: It is exciting keen to talk draft this preseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't really done a lot of draft content on
Speaker 1: the Super Coach podcast feed in the past. We know
Speaker 1: that you yourself, Letdog, though, have written plenty of great
Speaker 1: content over at Code Sports last year especially. You know
Speaker 1: you were covering the waiver wires each week. You did
Speaker 1: a lot of preseason stuff there. You've got plenty more
Speaker 1: to come on the written front this preseason. But why
Speaker 1: don't we just start with the very very very basics.
Speaker 1: What is Super Coach Draft?
Speaker 2: Let Dog I've been put it simply, it's super coach,
Speaker 2: but each player can only be picked once by one team,
Speaker 2: so you can play with as many teams as you like.
Speaker 2: Twelve to eighteen is generally the range you want to
Speaker 2: work in. And yeah, you start with pick one, You
Speaker 2: take the best player, and it goes on from there.
Speaker 2: During the week, you know, after you've picked your team,
Speaker 2: there's generally wave a wire pickups where you can put
Speaker 2: in a bid on a player to pick up who's available,
Speaker 2: who's a free agent. You put him into your team
Speaker 2: if you think he's going to be good that week,
Speaker 2: and then you hopefully beat your free Similarly to you, DOSSI,
Speaker 2: I'm very much a runners up sort of man when
Speaker 2: it comes to drafting. I'm very good at getting to
Speaker 2: a Grand Final. I'm very good at losing them to
Speaker 2: Patch in particular.
Speaker 1: Hello, Well, then Patch, you can talk about your love
Speaker 1: for draft and what is it that you enjoy about
Speaker 1: playing the different format. You know a lot of people
Speaker 1: maybe listening, have just played the classic, but there is
Speaker 1: the format. You just switch it over on the on
Speaker 1: the app or on the website wherever you go, and
Speaker 1: you just hit the draft button and you go over
Speaker 1: to that screen. What makes you what made you fall
Speaker 1: in love with draft? When let Dog introduced it to
Speaker 1: us as you.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are two big things that I fell
Speaker 4: in love with. One was, you know, in classic, if
Speaker 4: you're playing leagues yet to the end of the season
Speaker 4: and so many people have the exact same team, everyone's
Speaker 4: got very similar players. Everyone's got bond, your captained bond.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone's got the same back line, the same forwards.
Speaker 4: Even this year, looking at Classic, a lot of mid
Speaker 4: prices are just going to be the same and everyone's
Speaker 4: forward line. But in draft, none of that. You don't
Speaker 4: get the chance to do it. Once Jack mccray's off
Speaker 4: the board, no one else speaking Jack McCrae. You don't
Speaker 4: have eighteen teams in a league full of Jack mccray's.
Speaker 4: So that's really nice that you get that that point
Speaker 4: of difference. Ever, because every player is a point of difference,
Speaker 4: So that's really nice to have different players and by extension,
Speaker 4: let other guys shine who you might never consider picking.
Speaker 4: You know some players and yet they you know, like
Speaker 4: an Alex Neilbullen is the perfect example where you know,
Speaker 4: maybe this year people might look at him, but previously
Speaker 4: is no one's ever touched him in classic, but he's
Speaker 4: been a draft nugget that you could just pick up
Speaker 4: and enjoy watching him, and it's been really nice. And
Speaker 4: then the other side of it is Draft day itself
Speaker 4: is just so much fun to get around your friends,
Speaker 4: even getting around strangers. If you're doing it online, which
Speaker 4: I've done before as well, you're just going to drop
Speaker 4: into a draft and pick, or you set it up
Speaker 4: and you have of you know, a big barbecue with
Speaker 4: smoked meats, and you hang out and talk some crap
Speaker 4: for a little while, and then you sit down and
Speaker 4: start picking, all in person, and it's great fun to
Speaker 4: to grab someone just before someone else is going to
Speaker 4: pick it, and you know, you pick Tom Green and
Speaker 4: everyone cries out and I was going to pick him next.
Speaker 4: Is a wonderful feeling. We won't talk about the feeling
Speaker 4: when somebody else grabs the player you were going to
Speaker 4: pick next. But it's just it's just good fun. It's
Speaker 4: just really nice. It's a different variation of the format.
Speaker 4: And then I know it's just I just think it's neat, Dossie,
Speaker 4: I just think it's neat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I've always loved the format. I
Speaker 1: think I might have even played it before Classic, Like
Speaker 1: my memory of draft just goes back that long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just love playing it every year. Like you said,
Speaker 1: draft days a great day on the calendar, especially if
Speaker 1: you do it in person. There is just that special
Speaker 1: special thing about getting together with your mates. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially as you get a little older and it's harder
Speaker 1: to see people. It's really nice to catch up on that.
Speaker 1: You know that one day the preseason. I suppose you
Speaker 1: mentioned it a little bit earlier. Lekdog. In terms of
Speaker 1: league settings, when people are sort of starting setting up
Speaker 1: this draft, because it is kind of how you want
Speaker 1: to start. You pop up to a screen. You've got
Speaker 1: to kind of make your league or join your league.
Speaker 1: You've got to have that commissioner that's running it. What
Speaker 1: do you suggest if people are jumping into their first draft.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a few different things about how many teams
Speaker 1: you want, etc. Let's hear what do you think people
Speaker 1: should start with on those settings?
Speaker 2: Well, if you're new to drafting, I guess the number
Speaker 2: one thing is you want active teams. So I ran
Speaker 2: a work league last year with people who'd never played
Speaker 2: Super Coach before. We only had I think six maybe
Speaker 2: eight teams in and that was fun because they were
Speaker 2: all active. So you want to make sure how many
Speaker 2: teams you pick, you're actually gonna have coaches who are
Speaker 2: participating and making weekly updates to the team. The other
Speaker 2: thing is, if you're starting out, you probably don't want
Speaker 2: to overcomplicate it and have you forty guys on your team.
Speaker 2: To keep it's simple, you want to probably have four
Speaker 2: or five defenders, four or five mids, a ruck, and
Speaker 2: four or five forwards and then a couple of guys
Speaker 2: on the bench. Just keep it really simple. That way,
Speaker 2: the draft doesn't take all day. You still have the
Speaker 2: same amount of fun. It means if you have a
Speaker 2: smaller amount of teams or a small amount of players
Speaker 2: required on your team, it means the wave of wise
Speaker 2: going to be full of bargains and you're never going
Speaker 2: to get too stuck with you no offense, but your
Speaker 2: Thompson downs and whatnot. You're going to have opportunity to
Speaker 2: pick up fun players. So keep it simple. Just how
Speaker 2: many teams as you think coaches will be active, and
Speaker 2: then yeah, play with the settings. But less is often
Speaker 2: more when it comes to setting up your first couple of.
Speaker 1: Drafts patch you had a similar experience with draft I
Speaker 1: know that recently, I reckon the norm of how many
Speaker 1: players on field has drastically reduced. I think maybe in
Speaker 1: speaking to what you're saying, let dog people just want
Speaker 1: to jump in, have a bit of fun, set the
Speaker 1: lineups pretty quickly. I feel like nowadays sort of a
Speaker 1: you know, the average players on field, when back when
Speaker 1: I was really playing quite a lot in the early days,
Speaker 1: it was like five defenders, seven mids, one ruck and
Speaker 1: five forwards. That's pretty much the standard. Seven sorry, five
Speaker 1: one seven, five was the typical format. But I think
Speaker 1: nowadays it's sort of a bit shallower, but maybe a
Speaker 1: bit easier to manage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh sorry, jumped in your patch. Yeah. I think
Speaker 2: for me, like twenty two players is that nice area
Speaker 2: unless you're going to go full fifty player bloody dynasty
Speaker 2: rookie list leagues, which is a whole nother thing. But
Speaker 2: that twenty two players for me as an experience player,
Speaker 2: is that real prime area. But I think if you're
Speaker 2: starting out sort of twelve to fifteen players, the other
Speaker 2: options you've gotten, they're probably a simpler way to get
Speaker 2: into the draft format.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there is other formats of the game you just
Speaker 1: mentioned now don't have patch. Are you a keeper league
Speaker 1: officionado yourself?
Speaker 4: I did keep leagues before I did regular drafts.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, let's hear your recap. So there is the
Speaker 1: single season draft is what we're mainly going to be
Speaker 1: talking about on this show. And single season draft you
Speaker 1: draft a team at the start of the season. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about how that happens in a second, but you
Speaker 1: draft your team at the start of the season, much
Speaker 1: like if you've played an NFL draft or anything like that. NBA,
Speaker 1: it's the same deal. You have your players for that season,
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the season you redraft
Speaker 1: them again and it's a completely different team. But with
Speaker 1: keeper leagues it's a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Patch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for the people that want to play least
Speaker 4: list manager just the whole way through, or people that
Speaker 4: are just insane, which we all are in that. You know,
Speaker 4: you do your draft as Lack mentioned off, and you
Speaker 4: can have up to I think like an I own
Speaker 4: a league that had forty eight players in each list
Speaker 4: at one point, which is a bit absurd, and then
Speaker 4: from r TOE you keep all of those players and
Speaker 4: you might de list three or five or eight, and
Speaker 4: then you go to the National Draft, which is the
Speaker 4: pool of every player that's just been drafted in November,
Speaker 4: and then you pick from that, and it's simulating a
Speaker 4: real list in that respect. You've got to make sure
Speaker 4: you know you've got young players coming through and you
Speaker 4: can't load up on old guys who then all suddenly
Speaker 4: retire and you have what Richmond had this year, where
Speaker 4: suddenly you've got nothing but young kids and they're going
Speaker 4: to be at the bottom of the ladder for a
Speaker 4: couple of seasons. So it's a really interesting way to
Speaker 4: approach it.
Speaker 3: But it's also.
Speaker 4: Slightly complicated, or veering from slightly complicated to just excessively overbearing.
Speaker 4: So it's certainly not something i'd probably advise people jump
Speaker 4: into straight away, but yeah, certainly a different fun way
Speaker 4: of talking about and we'll often mention, like you know,
Speaker 4: from time to time, we'd be like, oh, this guy
Speaker 4: is on the waivers. If you're in a keeper league,
Speaker 4: definitely grab him. If you're not in a keeper league,
Speaker 4: maybe consider him. But yeah, we'll definitely try and keep
Speaker 4: it just to the single season format for now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit easy to talk about single season format,
Speaker 1: but I mean in terms of a keeper. Sometimes not always,
Speaker 1: but sometimes similar players are available on your wave of
Speaker 1: why that we might be talking about in season because
Speaker 1: you know, they've just had a ripping game in the
Speaker 1: VFL and they're coming up for some senior opportunities and
Speaker 1: they're still players that we want in both formats. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, keep that in mind. We will be talking
Speaker 1: single season on this podcast. Now, Lek Dog, I'll throw
Speaker 1: to you for this next segment. So we've basically got
Speaker 1: two I would separate the season into kind of two
Speaker 1: parts each season. In single season, you've got your draft
Speaker 1: day and everything leading up to draft day, and then
Speaker 1: in season. So we'll talk about leading up to draft day. First,
Speaker 1: what do we need to do leading up to draft
Speaker 1: day and heading into our draft to prepare the best
Speaker 1: we can.
Speaker 2: Well, the best advice I can give you is to
Speaker 2: go through all the players and make your own rankings
Speaker 2: for each position. Takes a lot of work, but at
Speaker 2: least when you go to the draft you'll have an
Speaker 2: informed opinion. Second best to that is going on Code
Speaker 2: Sports and taking my top one hundred or the collective
Speaker 2: top ranking position articles and using thembers in the base
Speaker 2: and then the main thing you want to know is injuries,
Speaker 2: who's coming back from surgery, who's missed a bit of
Speaker 2: the preseason, because that'll adjust their value. For instance, currently
Speaker 2: Nick Dakoss is fine, but he's had an issue with
Speaker 2: his foot. Instead of going number two in a draft,
Speaker 2: he might slip to ten. He's got to be aware
Speaker 2: of who's available. Mataste Philippoo highly pouted forward option, He's
Speaker 2: now going to miss a whole chunk of the season.
Speaker 2: If you're not across that you draft him early, you're
Speaker 2: kind of stuffed the season. So just being across the news,
Speaker 2: positional changes, injuries, all the same stuff you really would
Speaker 2: for Super Coach Classic, but you just want to keep
Speaker 2: an eye on the rankings and the general consensus ADP
Speaker 2: is another thing that's available to look at there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those average draft positions, that's where people have been,
Speaker 1: where people are drafting certain players in the preseason. And
Speaker 1: you can do those mock drafts on Super Coach as well,
Speaker 1: so you can jump into draft. There's live drafts as
Speaker 1: far as I've seen on the mock draft, so you
Speaker 1: can go jump into a draft when people are keen. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you need enough people to jump in there, so I
Speaker 1: might need to wait until close to preseason when people
Speaker 1: are really getting into their drafts to jump in there,
Speaker 1: but go ahead and test it out and see where
Speaker 1: people are enjoying drafting players patch. I'll throw to you
Speaker 1: as well, what's your method of research in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I'm very similar to Leck. I definitely do my own
Speaker 1: ranks and we're going to be talking about our rankings
Speaker 1: in weeks coming up as well. We'll go through each
Speaker 1: position and then you can read further on those articles
Speaker 1: as mentioned by Lecdog and Code Sports. You can check
Speaker 1: the entire list, but we'll be discussing those I make
Speaker 1: my own little spreadsheets. I love looking at the old
Speaker 1: data and sort of just ranking them up and down.
Speaker 1: I think I tend to be able to do those
Speaker 1: lists and adjust. I really like to use projected averages,
Speaker 1: so you know, you can use fancy maths or however
Speaker 1: you want to do it. I tend to just sort
Speaker 1: of bit a gut feel bit of previous average and
Speaker 1: sort of say, okay, what do I actually think this
Speaker 1: guy is going to average for the coming season, and
Speaker 1: then I like to sort of order my rankings like
Speaker 1: that leading up to the draft. But patch, what's your
Speaker 1: method of whether it's rankings or just preparing for draft day.
Speaker 4: I'm a big vibes guy, big vibes guy, which like
Speaker 4: horrifies a lot of people. But you know, I'd obviously
Speaker 4: look a lot at Supercoach classics, so I've kind of
Speaker 4: got a general a pretty good handle on you know,
Speaker 4: who's going to be doing well and who's going to
Speaker 4: be doing well towards the point the end of the
Speaker 4: top of the draft, and then for the lower down
Speaker 4: of the draft, I'll often like go through and just
Speaker 4: look at names and I'm like, oh, I really like
Speaker 4: this guy. I really like this guy, and then make
Speaker 4: a list of guys who I think could.
Speaker 3: Be value and I don't want to forget about.
Speaker 4: And then you know, I'll compare that to the guys
Speaker 4: who are kind of the highest ADP sometimes where you know,
Speaker 4: if I don't have a big tier list in front
Speaker 4: of me, then I will look through and know as
Speaker 4: it comes up to my pick, and there's the you know,
Speaker 4: the next ten guys from the average draft position from
Speaker 4: the Supercoach website, and then I'll also have these list
Speaker 4: of names of someone like Kiddy Coleman who missed last
Speaker 4: year with injury you know, might not be as high up,
Speaker 4: or guys that I think might jump up who you
Speaker 4: know other people are overlooking. So I'll often look through
Speaker 4: those ADPs and find who I like ahead of time,
Speaker 4: and then you know, occasionally look higher up and go, well,
Speaker 4: I don't like this guy this season because I think
Speaker 4: you'll be trash or.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So that there is an easy way of doing it,
Speaker 4: I think than having a list of one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty names of the one hundred and fifty best players
Speaker 4: and ranking all of them in order, I think there
Speaker 4: is a way round it where you don't have to
Speaker 4: do that because the ADP does a lot of that
Speaker 4: work for you.
Speaker 3: Does that make you a worse drafter?
Speaker 4: Possibly? But I have won flags while doing it somehow, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it depends on how seriously you're taking the leak,
Speaker 4: how much you really want to put into it. But
Speaker 4: also there is there's a case for vibes to be made,
Speaker 4: and I'm currently making it.
Speaker 2: It's it is a fair call, Ossie BOSSI where.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get invested. Watch out.
Speaker 2: My document I've open right now is called Player Rankings
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Vibes, So I'm very much in the
Speaker 2: vibe the area for the initial rankings, but I think
Speaker 2: you do need to consider. The other thing you want
Speaker 2: to consider heading into draft day is positional scarcity. So
Speaker 2: because it's you can't just cookie cut and copy everyone's team,
Speaker 2: positional scarcity will adjust how you value players.
Speaker 4: For instance, So what position? What is positional scarcity? So
Speaker 4: you've opened your big draft, you see a lot of
Speaker 4: midfielders at the top, but obviously you need to fill
Speaker 4: it with forwards. Can you talk us through what positional
Speaker 4: scarcity is why you might go draft a forward straight away?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So positional scarcity is basically there's not
Speaker 2: many good forwards. There's not that many good ruckman. There's
Speaker 2: lots of good mids, there's lots of good defenders. So
Speaker 2: you might select a lower scoring guy for the year,
Speaker 2: like Adjason Horn Francis as a forward. He's not going
Speaker 2: to score as much as probably as a guy who's
Speaker 2: scoring one hundred and ten in the midfield, but you
Speaker 2: may take him because you want to lock in the
Speaker 2: best forward available, so you might jump earlier. So just
Speaker 2: for instance, I also categorize all my players into tiers.
Speaker 2: So in each position. So I've got midfield tiers one
Speaker 2: to ten or one to twelve, whatever it is, forwards
Speaker 2: one to ten, blah blah blah. In my top fifty,
Speaker 2: I go all the way down to tier eight for midfielders,
Speaker 2: but I only go down to tier two for forwards,
Speaker 2: meaning there is a hell of a lot more midfielders
Speaker 2: available at the top end of the draft than there
Speaker 2: is forwards. So what that does is it pushes a
Speaker 2: guy like Max Gorn or Jason horn Francis or Tristan
Speaker 2: Cherry or Dylan Moore a lot higher in the draft
Speaker 2: compared to their averages when compared to the midfield is
Speaker 2: being taken around those same spots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense, like if you miss that, if
Speaker 1: you miss a forward and it's sort of those you know,
Speaker 1: after the first couple of rounds, you really just end
Speaker 1: up your f one could just be Josh Tracy or something.
Speaker 1: I mean we were just looking at his ADP. I
Speaker 1: mean he had a great season last year, Josh Tracy
Speaker 1: from Fremantle. But you'll be looking at a player even
Speaker 1: worse than that dropping down if you sort of miss
Speaker 1: out on those top tier players. So I like to
Speaker 1: include that in my ranking as well. Now coming to
Speaker 1: draft day, guys, we've prepared ourselves with draft day. Unless
Speaker 1: there was anything else you guys want to think.
Speaker 4: The only thing would be you mentioned F one, which
Speaker 4: might not be familiar to people. Are you talking about
Speaker 4: he's going to drive the race car? Is that what
Speaker 4: Tracy's doing?
Speaker 3: What's an F.
Speaker 4: One doesn't for someone that hasn't looked at draft stuff before.
Speaker 4: And we'll obviously use that term. And you know D one,
Speaker 4: M one fairly interchangeably. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that would be my number one forward, so
Speaker 1: sitting at my top, well, my top averaging forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great point. Yeah we are. We are starting
Speaker 1: from scratch here on this one oh one podcast. So
Speaker 1: my F one would be my top forward, My M
Speaker 1: one would be my top mid D one, top defender
Speaker 1: R one. Generally you only have I'd say most unless
Speaker 1: you're a crazy league would have one ruck. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want to be going two.
Speaker 4: And then, also, as someone who's done it before, don't
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: There's only twelve good ruckman guys like, don't try and
Speaker 2: carry two through a league.
Speaker 1: And what are we calling flex is FL one.
Speaker 3: Just a flex factor?
Speaker 1: So you can. Actually, it's a new feature this year
Speaker 1: and it is available for draft. We have had some people,
Speaker 1: you know, question ask on the socials if you can
Speaker 1: use flex in draft this year, So you absolutely can.
Speaker 1: It is a feature that you can use in draft,
Speaker 1: and I know Lefdog. It's a hotly debated topic in
Speaker 1: your league at the moment whether to use flex.
Speaker 2: It is and the reason unless you've got a gentleman's
Speaker 2: agreement over how it's going to be used for people
Speaker 2: just starting draft, but I would encourage you probably not
Speaker 2: to use it because essentially you're giving yourself another spot
Speaker 2: to take a ruckman. And if you if you're drafting
Speaker 2: at a certain point the you're able to take two
Speaker 2: really good ruckmen, it means that's a whole other team
Speaker 2: that's essentially not going to get a ruckman later they're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to make up the points
Speaker 2: different So for starter leagues, I'd encourage you probably not
Speaker 2: to do it, and for more experienced leagues, I'd probably
Speaker 2: still encourage you not to do it. Dossie, I don't
Speaker 2: want to get too lost to the weeds, but there
Speaker 2: are some other features that have been outed this year.
Speaker 2: You can now control how many players are scoring during
Speaker 2: the buy rounds, so rather than in previous years I've
Speaker 2: just skipped buy rounds, we can now reduce the amount
Speaker 2: of on field scorers for buy rounds, so that'll be
Speaker 2: easy to navigate. And also the waiver of y order
Speaker 2: is now slightly different. We can talk about that in
Speaker 2: a slightly more advanced option. But it's good to see
Speaker 2: that there's some support for the Super Coach Draft platform.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and just quickly. The flex position is that you
Speaker 1: can choose any position. I didn't mention that as well
Speaker 1: if you haven't come across it. We've talked a lot
Speaker 1: about flex though on the other podcast, so hopefully you've
Speaker 1: seen that. But you can just pick any player from
Speaker 1: any position in that flex spot. So yeah, as Lex mention,
Speaker 1: you could have a couple of rucks unless you do
Speaker 1: a gentleman's agreement in the in the in the league
Speaker 1: no rucks in that flex position. Maybe that would work
Speaker 1: all right. So we have come up to our draft day.
Speaker 1: Now this is the fun part and maybe we can
Speaker 1: talk to if you guys have had any fun experiences
Speaker 1: on draft day. But what is the best way to
Speaker 1: go about Draft day? Patch in terms of you've got
Speaker 1: to you know, there's a few things that have to happen.
Speaker 1: You've got to set your draft order. Who's taking pick one,
Speaker 1: who's getting the last pick? Are you going to do
Speaker 1: a snake draft, which means when you get to the
Speaker 1: last pick, the person that had the last pick gets
Speaker 1: the first pick in the second round and then you
Speaker 1: go on like that. So how do you go about
Speaker 1: draft day? And you know, it's probably good to have
Speaker 1: some of those things prep beforehand.
Speaker 4: I think the most important thing about draft day is
Speaker 4: the food. And ironically, I think it's the food. If
Speaker 4: you're going to, like have a big barbecue, like one
Speaker 4: of the guys that we're in a league with every year,
Speaker 4: those like fantastic smoked meats. I'm not joking, make a
Speaker 4: day of it, you know, bring something to drink along
Speaker 4: as well. You know, if you're that way inclined, it
Speaker 4: makes it a much better day out and a better experience.
Speaker 4: So don't neglect the now you're there for the draft,
Speaker 4: you're there for the fantasy footy. Don't neglect the actual,
Speaker 4: like the really good side of it, because.
Speaker 3: That's really fun.
Speaker 4: But you know, on your day, you know, I think
Speaker 4: you should always go with a snake draft. That way,
Speaker 4: you know, it evens out. Otherwise, the person that has
Speaker 4: picked one in a say a ten team league, has
Speaker 4: pick eleven and pick you know, twenty one, and they've
Speaker 4: just got an advantage. I think you need that snake
Speaker 4: draft to make sure that you don't have an advantage
Speaker 4: in terms of how you decide who has picked one
Speaker 4: and how you have pick ten. You can you know,
Speaker 4: go wild. You can draw like draw out of a hat.
Speaker 4: You can you know, I know leagues that will find
Speaker 4: a race somewhere around the country that has the same
Speaker 4: number of horses running as there are people in the league,
Speaker 4: and then assign everyone a horse, and then that's the
Speaker 4: pick you start with. You can do a foot race
Speaker 4: down the street, you can do anything and anything. You know,
Speaker 4: the positions from last year can then decide where you
Speaker 4: go this year. You can have a bit of fun
Speaker 4: with it to decide how you go about it, and
Speaker 4: then you know, you all sit around, you all have
Speaker 4: laptops and the supercoach page open. But I also think
Speaker 4: it's very fun if you have a big shed of
Speaker 4: paper up on the wall, or lots of different sheets
Speaker 4: of paper where you can write your player's name down
Speaker 4: and stick them up so that everyone can see who
Speaker 4: you've just taken and stolen from them. It makes a
Speaker 4: bit more interactive, a bit more physical, a bit more fun.
Speaker 3: Is how I know?
Speaker 4: How like Ca and I often go about the draft
Speaker 4: day we have together each year.
Speaker 1: How about you, leck have you had any much fun
Speaker 1: on draft Day? I know you mentioned before it's one
Speaker 1: of your favorite days. So how do you go about it?
Speaker 1: And what's your tips for a successful draft day?
Speaker 2: Look, I mean Patches nailed it. It's still in person.
Speaker 2: If you can get as many people in the draft
Speaker 2: as you can in person, and then you can collectively
Speaker 2: bully anyone who's not there in person and to make
Speaker 2: their picks faster. I agree, good food, good drinks. I'm
Speaker 2: supportive of sticky notes on a big board or a
Speaker 2: big window to do your picks and then entering it
Speaker 2: in through the Supercoach app or website doing it off.
Speaker 2: Then you can do it off one computer rather than
Speaker 2: everyone having a computer. But like it is, it is Christmas.
Speaker 2: It is Christmas, so I would encourage you to have
Speaker 2: a prize for last years for the previous year's draft.
Speaker 2: We've got a trophy that gets engraved in another League.
Speaker 2: We've got some rings we give out award those make
Speaker 2: it a worthwhile event to come to giveaway prizes, just
Speaker 2: like it's it is. And because I mean the people listening,
Speaker 2: I don't know where the demographics are. The people on
Speaker 2: this podcast are slowly getting older, so you do see
Speaker 2: your friends less and less. So it's a great excuse
Speaker 2: patch up. It's good.
Speaker 4: Hey maybe slow and old, but I'm not What was
Speaker 4: the third thing you said?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's a few a few other fun ways
Speaker 1: to do draft. I know some good friend of mine
Speaker 1: from the Draft Doctors, Stevie Fizz. He always does the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble and each person picks a picks a wrestler
Speaker 1: and in the Royal Rumble, people get thrown out of
Speaker 1: the ring. So I think, I don't know which way
Speaker 1: it goes. I'm not a I'm not a wrestling fan,
Speaker 1: but as the wrestlers go down, you've got to pick.
Speaker 1: It's either when they come out, like what position they
Speaker 1: come into this into the ring, or when they get
Speaker 1: thrown out. So yeah, that's that's a fun way. I
Speaker 1: know some people do the same thing, but on whether
Speaker 1: that's on PlayStation or something, people just play different games
Speaker 1: like I often like if it's not like a physical challenge,
Speaker 1: because people have, you know, obviously different levels of physical
Speaker 1: challenges you get older, so as well. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: those those are some great things to talk about for
Speaker 1: draft day. Now, what are some strategies in the actual
Speaker 1: draft itself? Just briefly, This season, probably you know, is
Speaker 1: always different to the last. Sometimes you're looking to draft
Speaker 1: defenders early if there's, as you said, positional scarcity in
Speaker 1: the defensive range or the forward range lec dog. How
Speaker 1: are you approaching this draft in terms of just sort
Speaker 1: of who you want to draft in the early rounds
Speaker 1: positionally and sort of where your gut feel is at
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think there's I mean, with the exception
Speaker 2: of say a Max Corn and a Tristan Jerry Sherry
Speaker 2: Jerry Sherry, Cherry Cherry, I think you're pretty much taking
Speaker 2: mids with your first pick. If you're at the back
Speaker 2: end of a first round, I'm talking like an eighteen
Speaker 2: team first round, you might look to a Jason Horn
Speaker 2: Francis or a Luke Ryan type or Harry Sheezel. I
Speaker 2: think initially it's the mids that I'm targeting early because
Speaker 2: you want to Basically, you just want to maximize how
Speaker 2: many points your team is going to score. I know
Speaker 2: that sounds really obvious, and they're going to score the
Speaker 2: most in the rock line and the midfield, and then
Speaker 2: the defense and then the ford. So you generally I
Speaker 2: either punt forwards or punt rucks when it draft day,
Speaker 2: and punting means I'm basically just going to ignore them
Speaker 2: and take what'sever left. Towards the end, my focus is
Speaker 2: going to be about building points on field, in defense
Speaker 2: and in the midfield. This year's slightly frin I think
Speaker 2: we've got enough decent rock options that you can take
Speaker 2: one in the middle of your draft. So but as
Speaker 2: per usual, I will be punting forwards, and because I
Speaker 2: know that no one's going to pick Lincoln McCarthy, and
Speaker 2: I know that Lincoln McCarthy's going to be like a
Speaker 2: top fifteen total points forward for the year, So you
Speaker 2: can punt forwards. Trust me. If you get Jason North Francis,
Speaker 2: that's very nice. If you get Bailey Smith or Jack McCrae,
Speaker 2: that's also nice. But if you're not getting them, don't
Speaker 2: worry about it. Just get midfielders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like you look at your team,
Speaker 1: and your team might be very very light on forwards
Speaker 1: if you are punting that position. But it's just the
Speaker 1: temptation just you can't if you're punting, You've got to
Speaker 1: punt it, like you can't just go okay, ah, no,
Speaker 1: I've got no one I better take. I hope don't
Speaker 1: want to rag on Josh Tracy again because he's well,
Speaker 1: he could be the whipping Look, look, I don't want
Speaker 1: to take I don't know alex Neil Bullen this early
Speaker 1: because say he averages eighty four, you're picking him in
Speaker 1: those mid rounds and you're like, okay, I really want
Speaker 1: to forward. I'm going to pick him. He should be
Speaker 1: a really good forward. But you might be able to
Speaker 1: pick someone that's going to average, you know, five four
Speaker 1: points less, and you're getting him several rounds later, and
Speaker 1: in making that position, you're just you're going to get
Speaker 1: instead in that spot, you'll get a midfield of the
Speaker 1: average one hundred and five instead of waiting and missing
Speaker 1: and then they drop another ten or fifteen. So you're
Speaker 1: probably sacrificing points in those that midfield position or those
Speaker 1: stronger scoring lines rather than afford But that is a
Speaker 1: bit more of an advanced I suppose draft discussion for
Speaker 1: what we're talking about today, Patch, Do you have any
Speaker 1: sort of just general thoughts about this season, whether that's
Speaker 1: you know, who you're looking at drafting early, or just
Speaker 1: the way that the landscape is this season for Super
Speaker 1: Coach Draft.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of intrigued by the forward line this year,
Speaker 4: and then I think there is a lot of value there,
Speaker 4: but I think there's every chance that there's just a
Speaker 4: run that will just start on the forwards and then
Speaker 4: it'll just be over and then that's when you bail.
Speaker 4: And when I say run, often it generally happens with
Speaker 4: the rucks where everyone's been taking midfielders. Everyone is very
Speaker 4: happy taking midfielders, and then somebody takes a ruck and
Speaker 4: Maxicorn's off the table, for example, and then everyone kind
Speaker 4: of looks around the room and just goes, oh, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I guess we're doing rucks now, And then Cherry will go,
Speaker 4: and then Marshall will go, and then you know, like
Speaker 4: Brody Grundy will go, and suddenly everyone's going other and
Speaker 4: not many good rucks left.
Speaker 3: Oh, we should all get a ruck now.
Speaker 4: While like they're going hot, everyone dive in and I
Speaker 4: think try like sticking to a plan and avoiding the
Speaker 4: the you know, the the peer pressure and the game
Speaker 4: theory of it is very important when you see people
Speaker 4: making a mad dash for the back line as defenders
Speaker 4: start going and you know you've got you know, say,
Speaker 4: for defenders you're happy with you don't you go, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go off elsewhere and while everyone
Speaker 4: is busy, you know, having a riot in the back line,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to pick off a few forwards or
Speaker 4: pick off a few mids that are still sitting there,
Speaker 4: like don't be afraid to run against the crowd in
Speaker 4: in a lot of those situations that said, I'm as
Speaker 4: guilty as anyone of seeing rucks start going and panicking
Speaker 4: and then picking, you know, picking Raley O'Brien towards the
Speaker 4: end of a run and going, I'm deeply dissatisfied with
Speaker 4: this selection. What have I done to myself yet again?
Speaker 4: And then you know, yeah, yeah, you just you d
Speaker 4: kind of got to play the meta game between the
Speaker 4: people you're drafting as well, which is why it's so
Speaker 4: fun to do it in person, and that it's easy
Speaker 4: to hurl abuse at people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's those sneaky coaches that draft two rucks,
Speaker 1: yeah and just bank on one and put them on
Speaker 1: the bench so that somebody else can't who is punting
Speaker 1: rucks later can't get that sneaky position.
Speaker 2: Like I was just going to say that, well, yes,
Speaker 2: that is a tactic you can do. But I think
Speaker 2: going into a draft having an idea of whether you're
Speaker 2: going to go sort of upside breakout players or you're
Speaker 2: going to go the tried and trued players, because while
Speaker 2: you disparaged Riley O'Brien their patch, you give you ninety
Speaker 2: points every single week, and that's actually really good. In draft,
Speaker 2: I tend to fall into the favor of the tried
Speaker 2: and true guys, where I'm like, I know what the
Speaker 2: floor is. I'm going to back in the veterans over
Speaker 2: the young guys, and that generally shows in my ranks.
Speaker 2: So just kind of having an idea of where you
Speaker 2: personally sit I sit in I have to have seen
Speaker 2: it to believe it, rather than going early on I
Speaker 2: don't know who's a breakout contender this year that everyone's
Speaker 2: jumping on.
Speaker 1: I just want to we'll get some final thoughts at
Speaker 1: the end as well from you guys, But I think
Speaker 1: we've touched on all the sort of major basics of draft.
Speaker 1: We do recommend jump in there, make your team, and
Speaker 1: start organizing early, because you know you've still got plenty
Speaker 1: of time before round one the game starts, so i'd
Speaker 1: start organizing yourselves nice and early. But I think one
Speaker 1: tip at the end here for a successful league. We've
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of tips in different areas of
Speaker 1: the game, but just one final tip heading into draft season.
Speaker 1: I'll start with mine because I think this is a
Speaker 1: really important one when you are beginning to think about draft,
Speaker 1: and that is to have an organized and very die hard,
Speaker 1: keen commissioner. I think it's really important to have someone
Speaker 1: that's really the most passionate. So if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast, you're probably the one putting your hand up.
Speaker 1: I think if you've listened to this, you need to
Speaker 1: be the commissioner, get your mates organized, figure out the
Speaker 1: settings you want, and somebody needs to kind of take control.
Speaker 1: And that's the only way that really these things, you know,
Speaker 1: come to fruition. You have to have a commissioner that
Speaker 1: sets it up, that gets ever on the league codes,
Speaker 1: invites everyone and gets it started, so that would be
Speaker 1: my suggestion. There is ways to do it. If you
Speaker 1: don't have a core crew of friends that are super
Speaker 1: into super you know, you can go into forums, you
Speaker 1: can go to Twitter, you can go all over the
Speaker 1: internet to find mates that will play super coach. And
Speaker 1: I know some people that you know in our super
Speaker 1: Coach community that have made you know lifelong friends from
Speaker 1: these these interactions online. Solek, I'll pass over to you,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was my tip. Have a super keen
Speaker 1: commission and you'll have a great time in your league.
Speaker 2: Have a group chat, whether it's wiped up or Facebook
Speaker 2: or a text thread. I found email threads don't work
Speaker 2: as well. That way, everyone's engaged, you can talk about
Speaker 2: the league. The worst thing of it that can happen
Speaker 2: in a draft league is after a few weeks, everyone
Speaker 2: just kind of dips off and gets sort of not interested.
Speaker 2: Got a group chat, you can meme it up. You
Speaker 2: can communicate core information, and a little thing that I
Speaker 2: do in quite a few of my leagues, we do
Speaker 2: like a weekly wrap up where someone writes a sentence
Speaker 2: about each team or does a power rankor and whatever,
Speaker 2: and like it takes five minutes to do, but everyone
Speaker 2: waits all week just to see where are they going
Speaker 2: to sit in the power rankings or what the comment
Speaker 2: is about their team. So have fun with it, but
Speaker 2: have a group chat, keep that, keep that engagement high.
Speaker 1: Love it patch your tip for a successful league.
Speaker 3: Have fun.
Speaker 4: Like it sounds cheesy and silly and dumb, but like,
Speaker 4: if you're not enjoying it, what you would like? You know,
Speaker 4: what what are you doing? Like make it fun as
Speaker 4: like you spoke about, you know, have that that banter
Speaker 4: between people in the league. Make sure you're still in
Speaker 4: contact and talking about the league, you know, here and there.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you know, it kind of withers on the vine
Speaker 4: and dies a little bit. So you know, make sure
Speaker 4: it's not seen as a chore every week, like go
Speaker 4: through wave wire and enjoy it. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: it's between that and make sure you know you've got
Speaker 4: a good draft day because that's the thing that will
Speaker 4: keep people coming back. Otherwise it kind of gets very
Speaker 4: easy to get to February and go, oh, we should
Speaker 4: organize that draft again. I guess, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: We'll just do it online. It's too hard. Try and
Speaker 4: make it fun, making an event because it is it's like,
Speaker 4: I think it's the best way to play Super Coach
Speaker 4: because it's just, you know, every team is different. You
Speaker 4: get that experience of going through and picking guys who
Speaker 4: you'd never look at in the fantasy format, and everyone's
Speaker 4: you know, everyone just gets to have a good time,
Speaker 4: and why can't we just all have fun?
Speaker 2: I think on that patch one of the great things
Speaker 2: about draft is seeing those players that you're not used to.
Speaker 2: So everyone who played draft over the last two years
Speaker 2: isn't surprised James Petling's a good football player. So for
Speaker 2: Super Coach Classic, I guess everyone gets the same information.
Speaker 2: You're sort of almost a step ahead because you're aware
Speaker 2: of who's scoring well even though they're not a big name.
Speaker 3: So you get to feel smug about it.
Speaker 2: You do get to feel smug about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do tend to keep track of those state
Speaker 1: leagues a bit more, which is a big part of
Speaker 1: what we'll be talking about in season. We'll keep track
Speaker 1: of some Wave WI picks. We'll talk more about trading
Speaker 1: as well, and set a bit like you know, the
Speaker 1: big key as well. My final tip is a second
Speaker 1: one here is like you don't win the league at
Speaker 1: the draft as much as we love our draft, we
Speaker 1: love doing our rankings, we love picking all those players
Speaker 1: on draft day, You're not going to win your full
Speaker 1: league on draft generally speaking, because there's a lot it's
Speaker 1: a long seasons. Patch does, but I do. Generally speaking.
Speaker 1: People get injured, things change, roles change, You might have
Speaker 1: missed a pick or two, you might have stuffed some up,
Speaker 1: somebody might have traded out. Like things can change, and
Speaker 1: to be able to stay on top of that is
Speaker 1: what draft's all about as well. So whether you're willing
Speaker 1: and deal and trading to get someone in to fix
Speaker 1: your team up, whether you're picking up a gem off
Speaker 1: the wave ye there is. So you know, some of
Speaker 1: the names off the Wave of Wye in the last
Speaker 1: few years have just been incredible players that start not
Speaker 1: in the team or start just not being drafted, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the super coach guns so.
Speaker 4: Laws and Humphreys wave a way, goat. Did we talk
Speaker 4: about what the Wave way actually physically is?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Patch?
Speaker 4: So basically, you know, you finish your draft. Everyone has
Speaker 4: the perfect team, the best team that's ever been assembled.
Speaker 4: No team will ever be better than that. Then a
Speaker 4: guy gets injured and you've like, you're like, oh, I
Speaker 4: you know, he's out for the season, he's done his knee.
Speaker 3: What do I do?
Speaker 4: And then you go to the pile of all the
Speaker 4: players that have been left over, and that's the wave
Speaker 4: of wire and basically you'll you'll go in and you'll say, hello,
Speaker 4: I would like to pick up Laws and Humphreyes please,
Speaker 4: I'd like him in my team, and then you know
Speaker 4: that'll put in a bid, and then everyone else can
Speaker 4: put in bids and it kind of decides, you know,
Speaker 4: based on ladder order, who will get the first picks.
Speaker 4: And then you all kind of you know, can pick
Speaker 4: off the steaming heap that is what's left of all
Speaker 4: the players to find those little nuggets of gold. So
Speaker 4: there'll be plenty of players, especially the smaller your league is,
Speaker 4: the more players are left over. And so when the
Speaker 4: pool that you can pick from, and you know, rifling
Speaker 4: through there to pick up someone very good is a
Speaker 4: great feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you can set your waivers settings as well
Speaker 1: to last you know, if people can't get a chance
Speaker 1: to check their you know, teams until a little bit
Speaker 1: later in the week, you can set those waivers settings
Speaker 1: so that they'd last long, longer, or shorter, depending on
Speaker 1: how you know how much interest is in your league,
Speaker 1: or when people can check their phones if they're in
Speaker 1: different time zones or whatever that may be. So that's
Speaker 1: also nice feature because once the waiver period is over,
Speaker 1: you can just pick up players willing nearly off the
Speaker 1: free agency pool. But those waivers are basically like you're
Speaker 1: bidding to pick up this place, so they're clearly going
Speaker 1: to be If you're using one of those waivers, you'll
Speaker 1: then go shuffle from the top on the waiverpool to
Speaker 1: the bottom. So you've got to make sure I'm going
Speaker 1: to spend this waiver kind of wisely. So I know
Speaker 1: people that just tend to wait, hold it out and
Speaker 1: hold that waiver until they find a really good pick,
Speaker 1: which is what I tend to do and hit the
Speaker 1: fregency pool. But anyway, great tip to finish off, we
Speaker 1: will be talking waver Wire in season, but next up
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking out rankings. Thanks very much
Speaker 1: for joining us Lekdog and Patch on the first episode
Speaker 1: of Drafted. We will be back, I believe next week
Speaker 1: for some rankings our beginning of ranking season, so it
Speaker 1: will see you then.
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