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Speaker 1: Hi, I Boris, and this is a straight talk like

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Speaker 1: a bit of American because I mean you've kept the

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Speaker 1: hairstyle like stuff everybody, I didn't care what you say

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Speaker 1: about it. Have you had a bit of that in it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've always been a smart ass.

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Speaker 1: Cameron Smith, Welcome to straight Talk mate. Thanks having me on.

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Speaker 2: It was just always in my mind that I was

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Speaker 2: going to play golf. I didn't really ever think about

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Speaker 2: anything else, you know, watching it ossies play well and

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Speaker 2: even Tiger.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a part of that. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people criticizing you, How did you deal with that?

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Speaker 2: It was a really big decision. There was a lot

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Speaker 2: of harsh comments at the start.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I would imagine something like you has a team.

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Speaker 2: I've got a trainer, psychologist.

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Speaker 1: I think of golf. It's so frustrating. Cameron Smith, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to straight Talk mate. Thanks having me on. Mate. You know,

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Speaker 1: what is it the deal with Cameron Smith's in the world,

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Speaker 1: Like I only know, I ain't ever heard it too,

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Speaker 1: Cameron Smith's and he both at the top of your

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Speaker 1: game and both Queenslanders too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Lucky, Yeah, I've met him a few times. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a great vat really good guy. Obviously a great

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Speaker 2: rugby league player as well. He's one of the best.

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Speaker 1: But I've only ever met two in my life. I've

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Speaker 1: met you today, but I've only I've met him in

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Speaker 1: the past. But I only know two of my whole life.

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Speaker 1: And you're both like he'd be arguably the greatest, you know,

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Speaker 1: number nine of all time probably my view, and you're

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Speaker 1: one of our greatest golfers of all time. It's the

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Speaker 1: weirdest thing. Which part of queens did you come from?

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Speaker 1: By the way, not from the same area he's from.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Brisbane, I don't. I think he was out

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Speaker 2: west a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: He's a bit now. I think he's between he's down

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Speaker 1: a bit between Gold Coast and Brisbane. It's not such

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Speaker 1: a great area where he comes from. It's a bit rough.

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Speaker 1: So therefore you're presumably at Queenslander at heart. Yeah. Do

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Speaker 1: you miss home? Yeah? Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: You know, when when I come home, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I don't want to leave, and then when I then

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Speaker 2: when I go back, it's like I just want to

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Speaker 2: go back on it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But back to the United States? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: you all away for that in Florida. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about that in the moment. And of course,

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Speaker 1: you know this, this conversation is off the back of

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Speaker 1: Trump's big wing, the Trumpster. He kicked, he kicked at,

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Speaker 1: kicked a lot of bit around, and that has some

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Speaker 1: relevance to what you're doing now with Live relative to

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Speaker 1: you know, where the breakaway that Live sort of created.

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Speaker 1: And he actually said being a mag goal for himself.

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Speaker 1: He actually said that he could fix or he could

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Speaker 1: bring the two parties back together in fifteen minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I heard that. You heard that, ye, And you must

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Speaker 1: hear these conversations in living in the Americas, Florida actually

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Speaker 1: went way in favor of the Republicans, way in favor

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Speaker 1: a place there. Yeah. Do you get to see much

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Speaker 1: of this activity? I mean, you know, being you know,

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Speaker 1: talk to these dudes? You get to meet him? Does

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Speaker 1: he say let's play a game of golf.

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Speaker 2: I have played with him before, Yeah, yeah, I played

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Speaker 2: with him last year. I'll tell you one thing that

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Speaker 2: he wasn't even he was a former president at that time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The amount of people that were around was insane.

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Speaker 2: This last year yeah yeah, just before he's before he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I did see a time there where he's

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Speaker 1: it must be a mad place America. Like it's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I think, yeah, that that's one thing that's

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Speaker 1: You would never see that in Australia. Nah. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean I see John Howard perform from minutes he just walks.

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Speaker 2: I would say it's the most nervous I've ever been. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I felt like I couldn't get a Like I

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Speaker 2: I needed to be robot. But he's he wasn't that

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Speaker 2: type of person. He'd come up and hug you and

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Speaker 2: He loves golf. Yeah, and he's like a history like buff.

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Speaker 2: He's a he's a fiend for golf. He knows every start.

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Speaker 2: Some of the stuff that he was pulling out. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm a professional golfer. I wouldn't say I'm a historian

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Speaker 2: I go research and it's like that's right.

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Speaker 1: So like he's so you would say that Trump is

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Speaker 1: He knows what's going on. It's funny. Kerry Pack was

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Speaker 1: exactly the same. Kerry not just golf, Kerry would be

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Speaker 2: I was probably three or four when I first started

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Speaker 1: Like a Tiger Woods moment, like were you like your

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Speaker 2: What I initially loved about golf was the social interaction

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Speaker 2: I was also pretty good at it as well, so

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Speaker 2: it was really fun beating, the beating the friends.

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Speaker 1: But would you say the old boy that's your dad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So like that's if you're like, what are your earliest memories,

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Speaker 2: And then when I was probably eleven twelve years old,

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Speaker 2: working together for yeah, close to twenty years now. So

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Speaker 1: But boodyd he didn't give you advice. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It was it was just you had a bad day.

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Speaker 1: So coach your coach today. For example, it's the same bloke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the old he's the same old golf coach as

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Speaker 2: I've got a trainer, psychologist.

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Speaker 1: A trainer being a physical trainer for fiers.

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Speaker 2: He kind of does both. He does trainer and physioso,

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Speaker 1: Psychologist because golf I think a golf it's so frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we all, most of us share the same

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Speaker 2: it's a big deal. It's like running a business. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like it is a business entity in self. Absolutely, that's

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Speaker 2: and of course that's your hat, that's your team.

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Speaker 1: Who come up with a.

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Speaker 2: and it's a bit corny, but Riffer. Something about Riffer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just loved it, and there's no there

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Speaker 1: It's sort of in our DNA a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, like a bit of

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Speaker 1: American like is because I mean, you've kept the hairstyle

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Speaker 1: say about it. I love that, but have you had

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Speaker 1: a bit of that in it? And then you always

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Speaker 1: had that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've always been a smart ass. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's so good because I think all of us

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Speaker 2: we all kind of put it on each other all

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Speaker 2: the time, and that's why we have That's that's what

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Speaker 2: I think. That's why strains have such great bonds, because

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Speaker 2: you can just kind of say stuff that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awesome. Do Americans get it? No, because they're.

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Speaker 2: Very big, Yeah, they're very fully. Yeah, they don't understand

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Speaker 1: just trying to look at your physicality, particularly your face.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to say, you're a much

436
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: bigger guy than I thought. Well, yeah, because you don't

437
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: because you're wearing don't always wear shorts. But you've got

438
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: a big set of pins on you like you look

439
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: like you you lie power on your legs. So what

440
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: are the sort of that's talk about the natural skills

441
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: that I mean. You can look at young kids today

442
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: and so the kid's going to be you know, he's

443
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: got some natural skills as golf. What are the natural

444
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: skills that you think you having. What are the developed

445
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: skills that you think you have in terms of power,

446
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: for example, Just start off the natural skills, like I

447
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: hand coordination, that typ Yeah, I think.

448
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: I think when I watch kids now, I think the

449
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: natural kids, especially the quite young ones, hit a lot

450
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: of shots out of the middle of the club face.

451
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: Just the sound that it makes. Yep, you know what

452
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean. They're just very good at getting the club there,

453
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: and that's that's a gift. A lot of people can't

454
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: make that happen. So I'm one of them. Yeah, So

455
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: I would say that's natural. I would say mostly everything

456
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: else that you have to work on.

457
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: So the rest of stuff's developed. Yeah, I would say, sir.

458
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: And in terms of like just me, I'm just talking

459
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: about you know, you've got a big set of legs

460
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: on you, like i'mt's talk about power for example, Yeah,

461
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: be able to hit the ball distance, but also I

462
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: have enough power to be able to control it. In

463
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: terms of who your coaches are, like your training coach,

464
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: for example, do they specifically work on building powerfully? Are

465
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: enhancing the power you already have? Yeah? Yeah, pretty much.

466
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: You know, through our off season, which is now, it's

467
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: about probably building a bit more muscle and slowing down.

468
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: A little bit. Slowing down how do you mean, like.

469
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: Moving more weight slower right, building muscle, and then throughout

470
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: the season it's about how quick we can move that weight.

471
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: So the weight might come down, but we're you know,

472
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: we're throwing something really quick, or we're jumping rather than

473
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: just doing.

474
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: A squad or something like that.

475
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of quick power movements throughout the year,

476
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: and then at the end of the year we kind

477
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: of try to build that muscle up and try and

478
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 2: make it quicker for next year.

479
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: So you're in the it's called pre season postseason now. Yeah,

480
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: So in that period when you say you're building muscle

481
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: or what are we talking about? I mean we're talking

482
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: about bench presses? Are we talking about squat dips?

483
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: And a lot of our power comes from legs, so

484
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: like ground and core ground core, and then the rest

485
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: of the stuff up here, I guess through the shoulders

486
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: and chests and stuff is all like stabilization. So not

487
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: letting the club get up here and do all types

488
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: of crazy stuff. It's just been stable. All this stuff

489
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: down here is trying to move pretty quick.

490
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess what you're trying to do is

491
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Speaker 1: in early stage, like in your off season, is build

492
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Speaker 1: a muscle, and I presume is building muscle and strength. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: so it's like what sort of exerise would you be doing?

494
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Speaker 1: Can we do? Sorry mon here? Because you know, because

495
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: I see I see boxes do this. I know a

496
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: lot more about boxing and I do about golf, but

497
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I see boxes dos like and they will actually go

498
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: out and build a lot of muscle in their abdomens

499
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: but legs. But then if twelve, ten, fifteen weeks before

500
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: they start fight, then they start cutting it down with

501
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: the numb amount.

502
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: Of its pretty much the same idea.

503
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: The same idea. Yeah, so they do things. Most people

504
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: don't think boxes, for example, go and do deadlifts, but

505
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: they do.

506
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, Yeah, we do deadlifts. It's pretty you know,

507
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: standard type of stuff, you know, building muscles. You know,

508
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: for us, we probably stick to four or five exercises

509
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: a in a session. So it would be like squats, deadlifts,

510
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: maybe some lunges, and then a pull up and a

511
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: press compound movement though, yeah, a lot.

512
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Of like you're engaging just about everything and those exercises

513
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: and then you and then then what are you doing

514
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: going to apply metrics after that? Do you go down

515
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: start jumping on boxes, jumping out of boxes? Yeah?

516
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: Probably through the season, we do that more.

517
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: Through the season.

518
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Ye.

519
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: So and that gives you speed, Yeah, so that's the idea.

520
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: So speed a really important part of the strategy. Yeah.

521
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: I mean hitting the ball, hitting the ball further is

522
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: definitely an advantage to it. You know, hitting the ball

523
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: further always comes with its disadvantages. You know, it can

524
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: go further into the ship when you hit the ball further,

525
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: so you've got to learn how to control that as well.

526
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: But you know that's that's the coach's job. This is

527
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: the trainer's job. That's where all this kind of blends

528
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: into a team.

529
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: But do you have it's a bit as part of

530
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: your natural ability. Did you are you really good on

531
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: working out sort of distance and I mean, do you

532
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: have a really good eye for spatial Yeah, I would

533
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: say yeah, so spatially good, like if you if I

534
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: can see the ball, I know where the ball is

535
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: in front of me. So you've got to get that

536
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: spatial awareness. But you've also got I got to know

537
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: that there's a space I've got to cover.

538
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: Is that something you work on like, yeah, well we

539
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: have we have yardage books now which tell us pretty

540
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: much everything. I would say probably inside eighty meters. I

541
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: don't ask for a yardage, so it would all be

542
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: just what I'm seeing. Yeah, so there is a sense

543
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: of that. But outside of that, you work, you know,

544
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: on the range with how far each club goes, so

545
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: you're always kind of figuring out what club you need

546
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: to hit, what shot you need to hit for how

547
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: far it needs to go. So there's never really I

548
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't say there's a feel as such. There's a feel

549
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: to the shot, but not really how far the ball's going.

550
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: You're kind of just letting it go.

551
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, because I guess you're probably working this stuff

552
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: right down to the meter. You you would know down

553
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: to the meter what what the possibility is and also

554
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: what you need to do, what you need to achieve.

555
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: And that is that your caddy helping you out on that?

556
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, A lot of it, A lot of it

557
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: is him. We'll have a conversation before pretty much every

558
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: shot with how far the ball needs to land, you know,

559
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: how far it's going to roll out, which way it's

560
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: going to go on the green, how much the wind

561
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: is doing. It's it's a big equation before every shot.

562
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: But we've been working together for a long time, we've

563
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: got pretty good at it.

564
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: And is that about him knowing you? Yeah? Yeah, I

565
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: think that was your capability.

566
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think I think through time you both

567
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: kind of get the same mindset with what you want

568
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: to do. So a lot of the times now, you know,

569
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: we've been working together for a long time, A lot

570
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: of times now we'll get to a shot and it's like, yeah, yep, yep, yep,

571
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: everything's just like bang bang bang, Whereas I think at

572
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: the start it was a little bit more kind of

573
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: you know, what are we trying to achieve.

574
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: Here learning about each other too, Yeah, yeah exactly. And

575
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: so how important is that relationship because like it's pretty critical.

576
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's important not only for the golf game,

577
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: but I think for your mind as well. I spent

578
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: a lot of time with Sam. He's you know, probably

579
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: six seven hours a day wow when we're at tournaments,

580
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: so and we're usually this far apart. Yeah, so it's

581
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: it's very close. You have to get along with your

582
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: caddy as well, you know, in a social setting personally. Yeah,

583
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: so I picked a good one.

584
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: So so outside of the game, would you would he

585
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: be training? Would he be there when you're training? Would

586
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: you would you be watching them do exercise? No?

587
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: Not not the exercise stuff. He doesn't get in the

588
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: gym much. But if we go to hit some balls

589
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: or play nine holes, most of the time he's there.

590
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once you're on the course training, he'll be there. Yeah.

591
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: And socially yeah yeah, we Florida, yep, Yeah, he lives

592
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: probably twenty minutes away.

593
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: Right. We actually just went fishing last week. He come

594
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: on a fishing trip with us. He's one of my

595
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: best mates, right yeah so that level yeah, yeah, absolutely,

596
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: and really from you know, not knowing each other to

597
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: you know, one of my best mates.

598
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: Now, it's pretty pretty cool.

599
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: And where'd you find him when I was a young

600
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: when I was a young professional, probably twenty well, I

601
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: was playing. He's from New Zealand and he just happened

602
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: to be home the same time the New Zealand Open

603
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: was on. He had been working in the States and

604
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: was at home and he was working for a friend

605
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: of mine, Michael sim and he missed the cut. And

606
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: I knew Sam was a good caddy because he'd been

607
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: working in the States. I'd never had a good caddy before.

608
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: And I said to him, do you mind if I,

609
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, basically borrow your caddy for the weekend. I

610
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: just want to see what it's all about. And then

611
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: so he said yes, and then we went out there

612
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: the next day around the Hills New Zealand Open. We

613
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: went around there and the next day I hit eighteen greens,

614
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: so I don't think I'd ever really done that before.

615
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: And then then I was like, there really is a

616
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: a key to having a good caddy.

617
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: So you would you would attribute some of those eighteen

618
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: eighteen greens.

619
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: Eighteen greens eighteen out of eighteen.

620
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent success rate, So you would attribute

621
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: some of that to what he did or said or

622
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: helped you with.

623
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I was I was playing some

624
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: pretty decent golf at the time. I wouldn't say it

625
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: was my best stuff, but just having someone there to

626
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: give you one hundred percent confidence in what you're doing,

627
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: I think was really really cool. And like I said,

628
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: that was the first time I ever experienced a professional caddy.

629
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's when I was like, yeah, there's

630
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: something to this. You know, it's not just it's not

631
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: just me.

632
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: And when you do the when you did the live thing,

633
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: did you do they offer him something that I mean

634
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: or is that part of your title package? Like do

635
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: you know?

636
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always yeah, I guess as far as payment

637
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: and all that stuff goes, I've always looked after.

638
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Him and that's from you though. Yeah that didn't change. Yeah. Yeah,

639
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: So your team is on you there. There's not like employees,

640
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: but like they're part of your team, so you know,

641
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: you're responsible for everything that they get and and therefore

642
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: it's up to you to do a deal in order

643
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: to put yourself in that position. So how long ago again,

644
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: was it that the Live deal came to you.

645
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: It's probably just over two years now.

646
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: And did who ring Greg Norman? I've been had all work.

647
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: I well, there was a lot of kind of movement

648
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: I guess throughout the tour at the time, and agents

649
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: and stuff would come up to you and they would

650
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: say you know.

651
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: And then.

652
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: And then I remember after the after the Open, Greg

653
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: wrung me up and we had a really good chat

654
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: and I spoke to her a few really good friends that

655
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: I knew I could lean on in the space as well,

656
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, as a team, we just decided to go

657
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: for it.

658
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Did you know Greg Norman before that?

659
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: I'd met him a few times. I wouldn't say I

660
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: knew him well. I definitely know him well now, and yeah,

661
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: he's been great for us.

662
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting, like humans, the rugby league sort of wars,

663
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, when Murdoch tried to chip rugby league into

664
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: Super League, so it didn't work at the end of

665
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: the day. You member Kerry Packer, you know when he

666
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: changed cricket brought in the One Day Series and by

667
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: the way, Greg Norman was around there and he was

668
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: very close to Kerry. Yeah, very close to Kerry. And

669
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: did you think to yourself. What were there sort of challenges.

670
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a young guy at the time, like

671
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: we're still young, but what sort of emotional challenges do

672
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: you go through, like when you're trying to work out

673
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: you should I jump? I mean apart from the fact

674
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: that they're offering a nice paycheck, but what what what

675
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: are the things you felt? Did you bring your dat up? Yeah?

676
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I spoke to a lot of people.

677
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: I think the things that I felt was, you know,

678
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: it was all kind of still up in the air,

679
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: and was my career as a golf for going to

680
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: be secure? Was the main question before anything else, and

681
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: the answer was yes from everyone. If you, if you

682
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: if you moved across to live yeah, And what do

683
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: you mean by secure?

684
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: What? What? What for you do you mean in a

685
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: financial security? No?

686
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean like am I going to be able to

687
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: play golf professionally? You know, like it was so fresh

688
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: at the start. We didn't know whether it was going

689
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: to be a year or you know yeah, or like

690
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: it's been now it's been a dream. But the yeah,

691
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: that was the biggest question. I think. Second was you know,

692
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: playing less golf, spending more time in Australia was obviously

693
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: really really important. And then third was the business decision,

694
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's a pretty big number to knock down.

695
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: And I get to play golf for the rest of

696
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: my life as a as a professional, do what I

697
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: love in Australia, support junior golf and golf in Australia,

698
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: and and I get to spend more time here.

699
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: So brain, and I remember at the time and a

700
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: lot of people criticizing you, I mean, what do you

701
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: how do you deal with that? Like, because I mean,

702
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: actually I came out and said, you're serious, like a

703
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: young guy. Of course you're going to do it. Like

704
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you? It's you know, you'd be off your head.

705
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: If I was a parent, I would say you're off here.

706
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: And if you don't do it, you know, I mean, like,

707
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: assuming you could get assurances that you could play the

708
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: game you really love, you're going to get locked out

709
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: of the rest of the world. There's going to be

710
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: more participants in it, and they've got a proper program.

711
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: Assume me that was the case. But like, why wouldn't

712
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Why would anybody in their right mind not do it,

713
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: especially if you're a young man. It wouldn't matter if

714
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: you're an old man like you still do it? Yeah? Like,

715
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: and how important was the support of someone like Greg

716
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: Norman though, like giving that giving given that he was

717
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: sort of a proponent for it, like he was the

718
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: front of it. Yeah, his endorsement.

719
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, I've watched a lot of

720
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: great growing up. I idolized him as a kid, and

721
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: then to be speaking to him is one thing, you

722
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then for him to want

723
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: you to come over and be on his team is

724
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: basically was basically it was another thing. So yeah, it was.

725
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: It was a really big decision. There was a lot

726
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: of harsh comments at the start, and through time all

727
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: of that has kind of dwindled down.

728
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: Do you read the papers? Did you read I can't

729
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: be bothered reading that shit at the time.

730
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: No, good, No, I would say I spent a lot

731
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 2: less time on the phone through digital media and spend

732
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: a lot more time on the phone speaking to people

733
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: that I love and that I care about their what

734
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: they think of me, and that at the end of

735
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: the day trumped everything.

736
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: That's a really important point you made there, because this

737
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: happens a lot in Australia and probably overseas too. We

738
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: tend to get bogged down on what everybody thinks about it,

739
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: and well, we don't even know these individuals, but you

740
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: go on social media, we don't know who the hell

741
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, and you're The point you just made

742
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: is you should have spent less time looking at your

743
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: social media on your phone and spend more time actually

744
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: on the telephone talking to people. Yeah, who you trust. Yeah,

745
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: because so is it fair to say, at the end

746
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: of the day, the only people whose opinion it matters

747
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: are the people who you have around you. Yeah. Absolutely,

748
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: that was a pretty mature thing to do for you,

749
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: young guy. Did someone tell you.

750
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: I just had so many good conversations with so many

751
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: good people that it was just meant nothing. The other

752
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: stuff meant nothing, and they ensured me that I was

753
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: making the right decision for myself, and that was all

754
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: I needed, you know.

755
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: It was.

756
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: I didn't need the approval of mainstream media at that

757
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: time to make me feel good. It was all about,

758
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: like I said, spending more time in Australia supporting the

759
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: events here and now we have a great event in Adelaide. Yeah,

760
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: So it was all that stuff meant so much more

761
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: to me than what someone was going to you know

762
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: someone nasty was going to say to me on social media.

763
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: Well that's as you know, lots of people, especially younger people,

764
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: they get me caught up in the whole social media

765
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: thing and they worry about what people think. Yeah, but

766
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: what do you And you're someone who's actually been through

767
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: that in it's like a very intense way. Yeah, young

768
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: people struggle with mental health. Based on what we saw

769
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: a young girl recently in Australia and if you where this,

770
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: but she took her own life, just a kid in Sydney.

771
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: What would you say to those people, because you've been

772
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: at the apex of this, like people were really having

773
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: a crack at you. How would you tell these people,

774
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: to these younger kids, especially to deal with this stuff.

775
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough one because it is such a

776
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: brutal world and you know, I'm a culprit of it

777
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: all the time. I spend so much time on my

778
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 2: phone now just doing random stuff on Instagram and it's

779
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: almost hard to get away from. But I would say,

780
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Mum and dad, the

781
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: people around you that really love you are the only

782
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 2: people people's opinions that matter.

783
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, And because like younger kids, especially, like

784
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: if they're young teenagers, young girl as a teenager, they

785
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: feel as though though they're it's a different generation to you.

786
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: You know, you're I think you're a millennial, and they're

787
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, I've got no idea what I am. I

788
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: think you're a millennial. You're a millennial. But like these

789
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: these kids are you know, z or Z whatever they

790
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: call it, and their lives are their lives have been

791
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: brought up on social media and they it would be

792
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: good for them to hear people like you who have

793
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: been becoming extraordinarily successful, but also people like you've actually

794
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: experienced the pain that will not about pain, experienced the

795
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: criticism that they think of really the most important part

796
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: of their life. It's important for them to hear people

797
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: like you talk about this. Have you ever thought yourself?

798
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of my obligations. That's one of

799
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: the things I should do, Like the give back. Are

800
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: you at a stage now where you're ready to give back? Yeah? Absolutely.

801
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: I feel like I've particularly to the game of golf

802
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: in Australia, I feel like I do a pretty good

803
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: job of that.

804
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: We'll explain that through especially younger people.

805
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: So I mean, I have a scholarship now where a

806
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: mentor a couple of guys Every year they come over

807
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: and hang out at the house. This year the guys

808
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: come up to a to a live golf tournament in

809
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Chicago and saw how everyone prepared, and you know, got

810
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: to see guys like you know, Brooks Koepka and Bryceon

811
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: and DJ and all these guys that they see on TV.

812
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: They got to meet them all. It was a pretty

813
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: cool thing to do. But I've been doing that now

814
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: for probably close to six or seven years.

815
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: The scholarship.

816
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually my first one of my first scholarship

817
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: holders was on my team last year, which was a

818
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: which was a pretty cool thing. He didn't he didn't

819
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: play his best, but yeah, so that was kind of

820
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: like a proud brother almost moment. And then I think

821
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: just getting down here and supporting the game in general

822
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: has always been really important to me. You know, playing

823
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: the local events, you know, doing the junior clinics, all

824
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: the stuff that you can do to make someone's you know,

825
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: whether it be golf skills or life skills or whatever

826
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: it is better.

827
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoy doing that, and that's one of

828
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: those you're doing at the moment, isn't it. Yeah, yeah,

829
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: so what is that entail? Like, you know, we're talking

830
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: about just Sean Ki has had your whole golf club

831
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: or well, you talk talking about what it's like to

832
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: become a professional, what's it like to.

833
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, I would shoes, Yeah, I would say just

834
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: you know, the biggest thing for me to come out

835
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: of the scholarship is someone to talk to, because when

836
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: I first moved to the States, I was twenty one

837
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 2: and basically knew no one other than my caddie, which

838
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: was a really fresh relationship at the time, and I

839
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: felt like although we had FaceTime and I could talk

840
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: to mom and Dad, I felt like there was just

841
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: something missing, and that to me was just a mate

842
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: that I could just go hang out with and talk to.

843
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: And you know, through time, I got lucky, you know,

844
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: got to know Mark Leishman really well, and Adam Scott

845
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: and Jason Day and they kind of all become my

846
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: big brothers in that sense where we could hang out

847
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: at golf tournaments, go to dinner, and play practice rounds.

848
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: But for that first you know, a couple of years,

849
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: was pretty lonely and yeah, so I just felt like

850
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: it was really important to me to give these kids

851
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: someone to talk to.

852
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: And because I think I think it was really important

853
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: that most people who don't understand when someone gets to

854
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: the top of their game already just assumes that they're

855
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: consumed by lots of friends, but actual fact, you are

856
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: quite lonely. It is a quite lonely place. Yeah, particularly golf,

857
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: is that right? Why? Because they're not a team sports

858
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, it is now, but you're a team now,

859
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: but it lives a team's team structure. But before live

860
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: that was you're just out there on your own. Yeah, exactly.

861
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: It's just you know, you find yourself in these weird

862
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: and wonderful places throughout the states. You know, in a

863
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: hotel room that you don't really want to stay in and.

864
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: It looks clamorous. Yeah it's yeah, it's living out a bag.

865
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not. Yeah. So yeah that was that was it.

866
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: Just someone to hang out with, go have a beer with,

867
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: go have dinner with, someone to text when you're not

868
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: playing your best goal or whatever. Someone to kind of

869
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: lean on, is what I wanted.

870
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: So I guess that brings me to another point. You're

871
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: you're engaged when you're married. We're married you're married. Now.

872
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: I saw the ring on your which you're playing with.

873
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: I can't stop fiddling with it. There, it's been ten months,

874
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: ten months now I can't start. Do you play when

875
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: you play golf? You pull it off, you take it off? Yeah,

876
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: because it's a distraction, I guess.

877
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

878
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: And this is my glove. Hand turn the glove. It

879
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: doesn't fit well over it.

880
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how important to you is having that real,

881
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: super close relationship. Now you're only thirty one, like a

882
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: year a young guy. But how important is that? What

883
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: does that do to your golf or does it not

884
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: change your golf?

885
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: I would say it. I would say it motivates. It

886
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: motivates me more. Oh really, yeah, to do well or yeah,

887
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: to do well. I would say there's probably a little

888
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: bit of added pressure, you know, with with having someone

889
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: there that's so close. They they really feel like a

890
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: team as well, and they want you to do well,

891
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 2: and you know that they want you to do well,

892
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: so it's almost like another piece to the puzzle. But yeah,

893
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: it's very motivating, you know. I think, particularly when you

894
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 2: know you start to have a family and all that stuff.

895
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: I think I'm really looking forward to that. And how

896
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: how cool. That's going to be as a as a

897
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, as a parent, and I think they will

898
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: motivate me even more to be a better person and

899
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: a better player. So yeah, I can't wait for that.

900
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: Next. What's a name Chanelle? And where'd you meet her?

901
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: I met her in Jacksonville through a through a mutual friend.

902
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: She's a smart girl as well. She's a chiropractor. She

903
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: actually went, it's good. It's good on the road. Yeah, babe,

904
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: my back it's a little bit. Yeah.

905
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

906
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: Actually when I when I met her, she had just

907
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: finished her all of her last exams, So it could

908
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: not have been better timing. I think it would have,

909
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, with how busy she would have been, it

910
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: would have been a bit of a struggle if it

911
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: was any earlier. So yeah, she's she's awesome. I got

912
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: a good one.

913
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: So she goes on the road with you.

914
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of the time she's on the road. She

915
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 2: still works from time to time, she'll stay at home

916
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: and yeah, and work in some clients and all that stuff.

917
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: But I would say now probably seventy percent of the

918
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: time she's on the road with me, and that's at

919
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good traveling partner. Like you said, a

920
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 2: chiropractice always nice, especially after a long flight or something

921
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: like that.

922
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: It's good. So I guess the obvious question I maybe

923
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: could be your first here, but the obvious question is

924
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: ten months. You know you maybe you're thinking about family.

925
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely trying. Yeah, oh good, that's awesome. She's actually

926
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: she's actually pregnant at the moment. Oh congratulations, Yeah, thank you.

927
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: That's very good. Yeah, and how far down the track is.

928
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: She she's twenty weeks, twenty weeks, about halfway, yeah, because

929
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: the real normal is you don't say anthing til twelve

930
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: weeks or something like that.

931
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: But she's twenty weeks and she's well, she's healthy. Yep,

932
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: she's stilling. Awesome. That's pretty exciting for you. Yeah, yeah,

933
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: it's awesome.

934
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: We actually just had a like a scan couple of

935
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: days ago and to find any out.

936
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we know, but but you know that's.

937
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: And the stuff that they can do now is nuts.

938
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was insane at the heart the arteries,

939
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: and he's all it's nuts.

940
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. That must sort of take you to a whole

941
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: new level, and especially now on that you're your business

942
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: is stable. I mean, that's pretty important. The business. You're

943
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: in a stable you know, like you know in terms

944
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: of finance and stuff like that, Like because you want

945
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, it's like growing up,

946
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: you want to be able to support your family well

947
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: and make sure there's a house for them to living.

948
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: The kids can get properly educated and they can do

949
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: the sorts of things that you were allowed to do.

950
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: You don't want to be on the struggle street. You know,

951
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: it'd be a lot different if you were still picking

952
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: up plates and yeah, Redcliffe, do you feel like, Yeah,

953
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's a bit of a weird question, but

954
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: do you feel like a really big sense of gratitude

955
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: to live? Greg Norman? I mean they sort of to

956
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: some extent you didn't put you, but now your skill

957
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: got you there, but like they found you. Yeah, where

958
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: where does your gratitude lie I or do you go

959
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: back to your dad or how do you sort of

960
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: scale your gratitude about where cam Smith is today? Married?

961
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: I would say my parents first and foremost they were

962
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: the best. They still are the best. They did everything

963
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: they needed to do to make to make sure my

964
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: sister and I had the best life possible and it

965
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: was awesome.

966
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: And like I mean, do you then say I feel like,

967
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: because I mean you're telling me about how you're going

968
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: to you're going to try, and you are giving back

969
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: into the golf world like to younger kids, and you

970
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: got scholarships running which you come out of they come

971
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: out of your pocket. I guess the scholarships. Do you

972
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: feel like then, in terms of being a parent yourself

973
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: soon enough that you have to try and repeat what

974
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: your parents did for you.

975
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big job. It's a big job, especially

976
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: with how much we're traveling and all that stuff. Yeah,

977
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: like I said, I got so lucky.

978
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: You reckon? Yeah, do you reckon? Was luck? No?

979
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it. I don't think it was luck.

980
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: I think.

981
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: I think my parents worked extremely hard to get us

982
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: where we were. But I got lucky in the sense

983
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 2: that I had really great parents. Yeah that's luck. Yeah,

984
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: that's just luck.

985
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we don't choose our parents, so that's not

986
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: something we make a choice on. So, and you know,

987
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: I know what just saying because I'm in the same

988
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: sort of category. And I was like, we know plenty

989
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: of people who haven't had the same the same experience

990
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: you talk about luck. I mean lots of people look

991
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: up to people like you and they say, Wow, what

992
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: a great life he's got. You know, I guess played

993
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: golf for Donald Trump, who's now the president. Who else

994
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: you played golf with?

995
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: We, you know, through through tournaments and stuff, we meet

996
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: some pretty crazy people, celebrities and you know, big CEOs

997
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Me personally, I've got the worst

998
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: memory of any person in the world. To Woods, No,

999
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: I haven't you meet him? I've met him?

1000
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: Did he give you any tips? Do those guys I

1001
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: was competing against have met him in a social sense?

1002
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: So?

1003
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? What about Michael Jordan? No, I haven't played with him.

1004
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: You haven't played golf with him, because all the top

1005
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: golfers they end up somehow playing with Michael Jordan or

1006
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know other people like like Trump.

1007
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: Because there are golf fanatics. There are golf tragics in

1008
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: this world. There are people who are golf tragics. They're golfers,

1009
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: are golfers, but they're not like you. But they're tragics.

1010
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: And it seems to me because I mean I watched

1011
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: her Astralia with the rugby league players. They tend to

1012
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: go and play squash for some great squash player. They're

1013
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: going to play golf with a great golfer in Australia,

1014
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like mandatory when the people bring

1015
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: you up and say hey, did Trump ring and say

1016
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: his son maybe down in Mari Lago and we're gonna

1017
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out in the course.

1018
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: It didn't quite work like that, but yeah, pretty much.

1019
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: And I mean when you got when you got someone

1020
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: like that asking you to play, it's pretty hard to

1021
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: say no.

1022
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, but if sometimes feel as though you're sort

1023
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: of being pushed around the joint lake because I'm you know,

1024
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: you're a famous golfer and they're let's call it celebrity

1025
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: in their case and case of Trump at the time,

1026
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? What do you think?

1027
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, because we're Ossie is you know, like we're different,

1028
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: a little bit different, you know, we don't seek out

1029
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: fame and yeah, all that sort of stuff. Yeah, I would.

1030
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: I would say.

1031
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: I've definitely said no before because I feel like it

1032
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: wasn't the right thing to do, whether it be for

1033
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: you know, for my goal or whatever. But yeah, I've

1034
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: never never really tried to seek that, you know, attention.

1035
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: Because you know, you have a brand. I mean part

1036
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: of the Camera Smith is a brand in golf, and

1037
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: that makes your money, that's your lifestyle, that's it supports

1038
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: your lifestyle. And you're now family bigger responsibility than you've

1039
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: ever had before. How important is to protect that brand

1040
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: and are you really conscious of that?

1041
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I think I definitely am, you know, And

1042
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: I think I just love coming back home, you know,

1043
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: because I can be the person that I want to

1044
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: be and Australians are so laid back.

1045
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1046
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: I can go to the pub and have a beer

1047
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: and someone might come and tap me on the shoulder

1048
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: and you know, say what's up or can we get

1049
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: a photo or whatever, but it's never and that's that's

1050
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: what I want my brand to be, is like an

1051
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: easy going you know Larrikin like you said before, that

1052
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: can that can just do all the things that he

1053
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: wants to do with his mates. And I think that's

1054
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: what Australia allows me to do. So that's why I

1055
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: love being back.

1056
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: But you have like a would you employees a brand

1057
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: managers type of person, like someone who can manage your brand,

1058
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: like in a professional sense.

1059
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I accept interviews or yeah, I think now you know,

1060
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: through time. I've obviously got agents who represent me and

1061
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: and now we've got a GM for for Ripper and

1062
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And yeah, there is there definitely is

1063
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: a sense that you know, there's there's almost yes and nose,

1064
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. This isn't this isn't for me,

1065
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: This is for me your call of their call.

1066
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: They just say it's kind of like a team call.

1067
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah.

1068
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about Ripper. Yeah, who are your teammates.

1069
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: I've got the three best teammates out there. I've got

1070
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: Mark Leishman, Matt Jones, and Lucas. Herbert Lucas was a

1071
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 2: new edition this year and really could not have worked

1072
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: out any better for us. We won three times this year.

1073
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Leish and Jones have been there for a couple of years.

1074
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: Leisha actually come over the same time as what I did.

1075
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: You may come across to live Yeah, okay, yeah, so

1076
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 2: we we are. Yeah, we came across at the same time.

1077
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned before, Leish is a really good mate

1078
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: of mine now and it was kind of like, well,

1079
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: if you do it, I'll do it. If you do it,

1080
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: I'll do it. That went on for this seemed like

1081
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: forever at the time. But yeah, so that's that's me

1082
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: awesome And and there's four of us as not only

1083
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: the four of us, also the caddies, the people around,

1084
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: the trainers, the coaches, all of us have bonded so

1085
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 2: much and we do have such a unique team culture,

1086
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: you know, being all Australians and having that you know,

1087
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: that way of just saying something without a meeting anything,

1088
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: the Australian way and having really good fun doing it.

1089
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: So it's been awesome. So you're the captain, yep. So

1090
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: I just explained the structure to it to me. So

1091
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Live pays the team or pays you, and you choose

1092
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: the team. How's it all worked like?

1093
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was kind of the way at the start,

1094
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: I would say. Now it's more the teams are almost

1095
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: run individually now, so there's thirteen teams. Yeah, there's fifty

1096
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: four guys. And you know, for example, last year bringing

1097
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: Lucas on, that was a decision that that I wanted

1098
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: to have him because he was such a great golfer

1099
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: and I knew his potential. That was something that I

1100
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: put forward to to Ripper and to Live to bring

1101
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: him on. And then they kind of went through the process.

1102
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm not smart enough to be writing up documents and

1103
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: getting lawyers and all that stuff. Yeah, so that when

1104
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: you say riper, you mean your teammates to the to

1105
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 2: the GM and to.

1106
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: Your other teammates get consulted. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we

1107
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: spoke about it, for sure.

1108
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: And you know, there was a lot of other guys

1109
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: that were on that list as well, but we've we've

1110
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: thought Lucas was the best fit for us. And yeah,

1111
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: like I said, he come in and he particularly the

1112
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: last two thirds of the year, he started to kind

1113
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: of get on his feet. I think he was a

1114
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: bit worried about standing on everyone's toes when he first

1115
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: came in and really was not awkward, but just didn't

1116
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: have a sense of belonging. And then the more time

1117
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: he hung out with us and got to know us,

1118
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's when he fired up and

1119
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: really started to play some good golf.

1120
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: Because golf is one of the toughest thing about golfs

1121
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: I think is very much an individual game. You're ready

1122
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: there playing your game and you're sort of on your

1123
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: own apart from your caddy and stuff like that. But

1124
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: what this concept is is like teamwork and you're now

1125
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: taking a different role, is more of a leadership role,

1126
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: and it's a big deal. It's a hardy leader. It's yeah,

1127
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: it is hard. And we've older than you.

1128
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly when guys are older than you have been

1129
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: doing it for longer.

1130
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1131
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: So, you know, the biggest thing for me is making

1132
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: sure everyone gets along, and that was a really easy job.

1133
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure through time there will be some you know,

1134
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: the situations that come up with maybe different guys that

1135
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: come in in the future and all that stuff. But

1136
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: for me, it's about everyone getting along and everyone just

1137
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: doing what they have to do to be a better golfer.

1138
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: And that for me is just you know, we get

1139
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: together player practice around. We might do a putting drill.

1140
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: Who sets that out? Though? Who sets out the drills?

1141
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: And there's a GM or is it you know? I

1142
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: do you do? Yeah? So you're sort of like sort

1143
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: of like the coach, if you know what I mean.

1144
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say I'm a coach

1145
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: by any means, but it's like you know, this little

1146
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: things where it gets your brain working, gets your you know,

1147
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: being competitive, I think is a really important part to.

1148
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: Being a great golfer. I think, you know, I think.

1149
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: Anyone can stand on the range and you know, hit

1150
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: the ball as good as they want to hit it,

1151
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: if they hit, you know, so many balls. But being

1152
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: a great competitor is what wins, is what wins your tournaments,

1153
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: and that's getting in that competitive spirit early in the week,

1154
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: competing against each other, competing within the team, I think

1155
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: is really important, and I think that's why, you know,

1156
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: we had so much success this year.

1157
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: But if one of the players, as you're in that role,

1158
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: if one of the players, like let's say Luchman is

1159
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: sort of if you suspect he's not feeling great, they

1160
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: don't know me, I physical good, but maybe you're not quite

1161
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: there ready? Do you know, mate, what's going on? Do

1162
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: you say? Do you want to talk to the call? Like?

1163
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, how does that work?

1164
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: You know, thankfully we haven't had one of those situations

1165
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: so far. I don't know what I would what I

1166
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: would do. I would I would definitely, I'd definitely talk

1167
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: to them for sure. But I think, you know, we've

1168
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: all been you know, all of us have been individual

1169
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: professionals for so long, so it's you know, it's kind

1170
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: of nice in the fact that you know, when something's wrong,

1171
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, when something's up, you kind of almost go

1172
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: and do it yourself without even knowing you're doing it,

1173
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. So yeah, so we really haven't

1174
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: had one of those moments, you know yet.

1175
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: But but you but you are you watching for this

1176
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: sort of stuff? I mean, because there's something good, you know,

1177
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: like you does someone has someone that live, for example,

1178
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: prepared you for this leadership role. Do they come out

1179
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: and say, mate, okay, you're not the captain?

1180
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: These are things that no, not not particularly, I think. Yeah,

1181
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: I think I've kind of gone out of my own

1182
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: way a little bit too, you know, to ask some

1183
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: guys in some leadership roles their advice, you know, guys

1184
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: like Adam Reynolds at the Broncos. I think he's a

1185
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: great leader and definitely got some advice off him at

1186
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: the end of last.

1187
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: Year, especially when he did his bicep Yeah, jeez, what

1188
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: an idiots nothing, He just like literally tapped him and

1189
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: the BCE just popped down. That's enough. That's age. No, No,

1190
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: it is because they get tenants, you know, over time.

1191
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's probably hit it so many time, Yeah, exactly,

1192
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: tennans would have been a bit. He's looking fit at

1193
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: the moment. Is he look good?

1194
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks good. Well, I'm excited.

1195
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: He's your Broncos. What do you think of Kevy being cut?

1196
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what to think of it, to be honest,

1197
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: and I'm probably not in a in a space to

1198
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: really comment on it because I don't know the club

1199
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 2: that well.

1200
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't. But you love Kevy? I mean, yeah, yeah, I.

1201
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely love Kevy. You know, he was one of our

1202
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: best players ever. Yeah, and he won maybe more Premierships

1203
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: than anyone else as well. So yeah, it's it's definitely

1204
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: sad to see him go. But at the same time

1205
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: we're excited. I feel like the fans are excited to,

1206
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, see what this next kind of step can

1207
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: bring you.

1208
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: It was a magic of course, is you know? Unfortunately

1209
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm a new South Wahman so and I know match

1210
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: what well? So Madge actually got us over line this

1211
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: year against Queensland. How does Queensland and feel like that?

1212
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean we're not we're off golf, but just an

1213
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: important to league mate. So how does Gwenslanders? How does

1214
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: a Brisbane Bronco supporter feel about a new South Wales

1215
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: coach coming into take over a legend of rugby league,

1216
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: which is Kevy.

1217
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1218
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: Did you get a shock but it was his name

1219
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: was announced?

1220
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. Like I said, I think, I

1221
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: think we're all excited. You know, he's he's definitely one

1222
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 2: of the best at his job and that's a good

1223
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: thing for us. It is a bit weird to have

1224
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: a new South Welshman runner knows Reynolds. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

1225
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'm just I'm just really hoping

1226
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 2: it was the right decision and I guess we'll see

1227
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: that through time.

1228
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, final question of it or final Yeah, I'll just

1229
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: put to you, what's the future for you? Like in

1230
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: future for you and your team, but also the future

1231
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: for Cameron Smith. What do you see yourself in ten

1232
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: years time when you're forty one? For example, Because golf's

1233
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: got a long long tail on it, you can play

1234
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah.

1235
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: It's often some something that I think about and I

1236
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: think I changed my answer, you know, with what you know,

1237
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: with how much golf I'm going to play, particularly you know,

1238
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: every two weeks. Every time I think about it, I'm like,

1239
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: oh no, I'm not going to play that long. I

1240
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: might play that long. I'm not sure what I'm going

1241
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: to do so and I've always been a cruisy kind

1242
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,479
Speaker 2: of guy, so I think I'll just kind of wait

1243
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: it out until you know, someone taps me on the

1244
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: shoulder and tells me to piss off.

1245
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know you're too old.

1246
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Particularly in the environment that we're in now,

1247
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: where the team, where you're not only playing for yourself,

1248
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: you're playing for three other guys.

1249
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: I would hate to.

1250
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: Be in a position where, you know, you do get

1251
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: a little bit older and you are letting the team down.

1252
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: I never want to be that guy.

1253
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1254
01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: So, but but the team and and stuff, it's it's

1255
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: so exciting the stuff that we talk about at meetings. Yeah,

1256
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: not only within the team, but within the league. You know,

1257
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: being so worldwide, I think is a really great thing

1258
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: for us. We travel a lot, but I think we

1259
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: also bring a really good product to places that haven't seen,

1260
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, world class golf for a long time. And yes,

1261
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm really excited as a team, but as a tour

1262
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: I think, you know, we're going to go from strength

1263
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: to strength, and I think as time goes on, we're

1264
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: going to have better players we're going to have more

1265
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: depth and I think we're going to be the tour and.

1266
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: Just finally has your body holding up? How do you?

1267
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: Because you play a lot of golf, you have played

1268
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of golf. Yeah, hey, hold up? Yeah good.

1269
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: I would say I would owe a lot of that too,

1270
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: my trainer and my physio. There's definitely a lot of

1271
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: work that goes into not only trying to become stronger,

1272
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: but trying to become more resilient because we do get

1273
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: our body in some weird and basically shitty places you

1274
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing it. But I would say the last

1275
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: couple of years, you know, age has kind of hit.

1276
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: Me a little bit.

1277
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, you wake up, You're like, oh jeez, that

1278
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: rip hers. What did I do there? And You're like,

1279
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: I did nothing.

1280
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1281
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: So it's so that's that's definitely getting to me. But

1282
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,439
Speaker 2: you know, there's always a way to work that out.

1283
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: So I'm holding up good.

1284
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: And you're still you still got that deep desire for majors,

1285
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: more majors.

1286
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think particularly the last you know, last

1287
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: last year or this year, I felt like I played

1288
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 2: okay in the majors. I felt like I did a

1289
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: lot of really good prep. And usually when I do

1290
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: a lot of really good prep, some really good results come,

1291
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: and they didn't really come for me this year, and

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Speaker 2: that was really frustrating. And I think that's made me

1293
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: particularly through this off season, whereas probably where probably I

1294
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: slacked a little bit in last off season. Yeah, in

1295
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: the last off season. This offseason it's it's been about golf,

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: and it's been about you know, the Masters. You know,

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: that's our first major of the year. When it's wonder

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01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: that that's April April, so you've got like, let's say

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01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: six months. Yeah, so that's you know, when the British

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: Open finishes, which is in July August. When that finishes,

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 2: everyone automatically you can see the whole focus of the

1302
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: golfing world, not only the players but I think particularly

1303
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: the players, but the whole focus goes back to what

1304
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 2: can we do to make ourselves better before the Masters?

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01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm doing a pretty good job

1306
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: so far, and it's definitely it's definitely something I need

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01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: to keep them better at. It's just preparing in the

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Speaker 2: off season, making sure I'm read to go, and yeah,

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01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: so far, so good.

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Speaker 1: Does the live structure allow you to prepare better or

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Speaker 1: what hamples you because I mean you're over here now

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01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, You're you're obviously not where

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 1: you normally would train. You're not in a normal training

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Speaker 1: camp or place of training. Yeah, does an interruption sort

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01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: of cause a problem?

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think that's what I learned

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01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: last year. And I've always been I think I've always

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 2: been a really good learner with what works and what doesn't.

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01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: And I've always taken what works and what doesn't and

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: kind of made it my own and then you kind

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01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: of go from there. So last year I definitely struggled

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01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 2: a little bit through that preparation and through getting down

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01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: here and playing. And yeah, so I'm definitely doing a

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01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: better job. And you know, hopefully this year is the

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01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: year that I do it all right and we can

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 2: get out to Augusta and in April and make it

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Speaker 2: all work.

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Speaker 1: Well as one of Australias. From my point of view,

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Speaker 1: and think of speaking on BARF a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: is one of our greatest exports, sporting exports. At least. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: we wish you're the best mate. Thank you, It's been

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Speaker 1: a great privilege. Thanks mate, kith