WEBVTT - Sharri | 31 July 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:09.160 Why On Sky News Bitess and Sharry. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.440 Good Evening, Welcome to the show, and it's a big 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.320 show tonight. In breaking news, Peter Dutton has demanded that 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.880 ABC chair Kim Williams show some backbone and rainan Laura Tingle, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:24.439 who he accused of hijacking, yes, hijacking the ABC. These 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.120 are Peter Dutton's strongest comments yet about the public broadcaster. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.880 I spoke with him in an exclusive interview where Dutton 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.199 is now in Israel. He's just sat down with Benjamin 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.200 Netanyahoo and Dutton spoke with the Israeli Prime Minister about 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.080 the need to repair the relationship between Australia and Israel 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:48.320 after it's been damaged by the Albanezy government. That full interview, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.240 very strong remarks. You don't want to miss it. That's 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.800 coming up shortly. Also on the show tonight, New Hope 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.000 for homeowners ahead of a crucial rates call. A leading 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.720 economist will join me to break down today's inflation data. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:03.280 Also tonight, an. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.679 Olympic gender row has boiled over in Paris, and what 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.640 Rex airlines downfall. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.080 Means for regional communities. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.440 But first in major news today, leaders of Hamas and 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.440 Hezbla have been killed in a win for the fight 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.640 against terror. Hamas's political leader, Ismael Hanier was killed in 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.040 the early hours of the morning at his residence in Tehran. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.480 Iran released a statement saying that he was assassinated inn 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.360 and I quote a treacherous Zionus. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.840 Raid on his residence in Tehran. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.319 Israel has confirmed the death but has not made a 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:46.440 comment accepting responsibility. Hanier did nothing for Palestinians. They suffered 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.800 in this war thanks to Hamas, putting them in harm's way. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.960 All the while, Honier was a billionaire living a life 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.520 of luxury nowhere near Gaza. The aim of Israel's war 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:04.120 against Hamas is to eliminate the terror group which murdered babies, children, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.560 and even a pregnant woman in cold blood on October seven. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.400 Hamas is a force of evil in this world and 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.720 it must be dismantled. Its leaders must be killed. Yet 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:21.440 Hanie's death was shockingly condemned here in Australia by the 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:26.760 Australian Palestine Advocacy Network and its president Nasamashni. In a 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:31.880 media release, APAN said the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network says 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.320 the extra judicial assassination of the political head of Hamas 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.720 is Mael Hania is a grave war crime that risks 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.080 exacerbating violence in the region. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:43.200 They said. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:47.720 The Australian government must condemn these brazen violations of international 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.919 law and take immediate and decisive action to see Israel 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.920 held to account for its crimes. This, perhaps more than 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.560 anything else, has exposed the Palistine Inian organization here in 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.400 Australia to be upset about the death of a terrorist leader, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:12.840 her Maas that not only massacret Israeli's but deliberately sparked 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.320 this war that has cost too many Palestinian lives as well. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:22.639 This is the Palestinian organization that the media loves to quote. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.160 No one's addressing the root issue in this conflict, which 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.360 is the displacement and destruction of Palestine, the ethnic cleansing 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.079 of Palestine, as David Cameron described it when he was 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.960 Prime Minister, an open air prison. The reality is that 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.760 whilst Israel denies Palestinian's hope, we've got to work towards 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.280 a better tomorrow. This land is Abraham's land. We've got 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.400 a situation. We are manufacturing consent for a genocide. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:48.640 Her mass is not the problem. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.840 The problem is Zionism. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.760 Well, perhaps the likes of the ABC network, ten other 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:00.880 commercial networks and even Daytime Sky should now realize precisely 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.200 who they're having on air, because no moderate individual is 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:10.760 upset by the death of a bloodthirsty terrorist. His death is, however, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.760 a blow to Hamas and to Iran, and they're anti 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.880 West supporters like Russia, and the deputy Russian Foreign Minister 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:24.839 Mikhail Boghdadov reportedly said this is an absolutely unacceptable political 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.280 murder and it will lead to further escalations of tensions. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.159 Turkey's Foreign ministry also criticized the we what they called 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.520 shameful assassination in Tehran, saying in a statement quoted by 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.039 Reuters that this attack also aims to spread the Gaza 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.800 war to a regional dimension, and the terror chief's death 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.840 has also been condemned by Iran, Qatar, Malaysia, and as 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:56.760 I said, Russia. Well, the assassination embarrasses Iran because if 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.359 it turns out that the Massad managed to target a 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.479 senior figure within their borders, well it shows flaws in 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:09.239 their own security. And Hesbela's top military chief was also 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.720 killed in an air strike overnight in Beirut, and that 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:17.160 was in retaliation for the murder of twelve children who 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:22.680 were just playing soccer on a field in northern Israel. Now, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.119 the death of hamasa's top political leader is making news 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.000 around the world, and it comes on top of thirteen 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.600 thousand terrorists that Israel says it has killed in Gaza. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.599 This is all a positive sign that. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.839 Israel does appear to be making inroads against Hamas, perhaps 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.680 winning the war, and this is unquestionably crucial for any 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:53.760 future peace and stability in the region. Opposition leader Peter 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.560 Dutton is in Israel at the moment. He's holding high 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.560 level meetings and I spoke with him in an exclusive 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:04.560 interview a little earlier this afternoon. Peter Dutton, Welcome to 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.039 the program from Jerusalem in Israel. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.480 Pleasure sharing. Nice to be with you. Thank you. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.640 Look you're there at the time the major news has 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.400 broken that the political leader of Hamas has been killed. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.920 What's your reaction to this news that's making headlines around 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:21.360 the world. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.880 We'll share there are many reports obviously at the moment, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.800 but we know that Hamas is a terrorist organization. We 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.839 know that they were responsible for the brutal slaughter literally 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.599 all over a longer period of time, thousands of people, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.440 and we know that they were the mastermind behind the 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.880 October seven atrocities. So, like we know with al Qaeda 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.480 and other terrorist organizations, they pose a threat to our 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.720 way of life. They certainly pose an existential threat to 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.200 the Israeli people, and you would expect the Israelis to 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.479 take action, particularly. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.080 Given the slaughter that took place on October seven. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.800 Mister Dartan, you've met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natanyahu. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.799 This is a very significant meeting, the first Australian politician 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.080 to meet with him since October seven. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:12.600 What did you discuss. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.360 Well, we had about an hour meeting which was quite lengthy, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.360 and he had his national security team there as well, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.800 so it was high level and I was very grateful 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.360 for the access and the time that he gave to us. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.920 As you know, Israel has provided intelligence to Australia over 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.679 a period of time which has resulted in the lives 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.960 of Australian diggers being saved in the Middle East, and 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.320 I think it's a relationship that we need to rebuild, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.560 that we need to restore, and that we need to respect. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.880 And I sent a very clear message on behalf of 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.320 the coalition that should we win the next election, we 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.640 look forward to the relationship becoming stronger and making sure 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.360 that we can build off the platform of previous prime 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.320 ministers where the relationship has been close, it has been 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.520 strong and too our mutual benefit. So we just obviously 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.560 a broad range of issues. Obviously in relation to the 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.960 current security context. What's happening with the WHODI is, what's 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.960 happening with the Maas and hesblah, the threats to here 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.280 to Israel otherwise, and obviously a broad ranging discussion on 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.119 areas of mutual interest. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.840 Otherwise, I understand from my own contacts that the Prime 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.160 Minister Netanya Who thanked you for your support of Israel 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:28.320 and your personal leadership on anti Semitism in your answer 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.920 to me before you use the word rebuilt, that you 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:35.959 indicated to Natanya that if a coalition team was in government, 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:40.520 you would rebuild the relationship between Israel and Australia. Was 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.560 there therefore an element of concern from Netanya Who and 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.640 his security team with the various foreign policy positions and 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.680 public criticisms that have been taken by the Albanezy government, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:57.720 particularly in the wake of October seven, Well. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.560 Sharry I've certainly expressed a publicly and privately my view 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.400 in relation to the level of anti Semitism and the 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.160 lack of leadership that the Prime Minister has demonstrated. I 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.439 think most Australians recognize that now it was the time 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.199 for the Prime Minister to stand up when that unruly 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.240 mob stepped onto the fore court in Sydney at the 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.160 Opera House. He didn't, and it's allowed a level of 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.079 anti Semitism to rise in our country that's provided a 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.679 level of really distress, I've got to say within the 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.600 Jewish community, as you will know, so I've spoken publicly 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.320 and privately about that the level of antisemitism seeing in 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.360 our country has not been evidenced in our country's history, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.440 and in fact, it's very confronting to me that when 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.760 you speak to Holocaust survivors or the descendants, they are 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.240 very clear in their advice that frankly they're thinking about 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:49.839 coming back to Israel because I think it would be 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.959 safer than staying in Australia. People have lived in peace 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.680 and harmony since nineteen forty five, and for the first 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.920 time in twenty twenty four, they feel unsecure in our 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.400 country and there's a reason for for that. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.520 So my job is to. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.600 Make sure that we build our equities and to make 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.400 sure that we re establish relationships where they've been damaged. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.280 I'm not going to go into the private conversations, obviously, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.160 but I've been publicly critical of both Penny Wong, our 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.800 Foreign Minister, and also of the Prime Minister. I think 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.640 they have demonstrated a lack of leadership and I think 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.720 we should have a zero tolerance for anti Semitism in Australia. 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.560 That's been a consistent message from the Coalition since October seven, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.280 and we won't be deviating from that part. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.480 I understand that there was a sense out of your 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.840 discussions that these threats that we're seeing aren't just a 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:41.120 threat to Israel, but a civilizational battle that's raging in 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.600 the West as well. Was that a theme not just 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.720 with your discussion with Natan Yahoo, but also with the 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.480 Israeli President Isaac Kurtzog. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:51.960 Well, it's certainly a broader theme, and I think it's 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.760 a very valid one. I think in the West we 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.400 need to realize that our civilization, as we know at 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.959 our democracy, our rule of law, that the adherence international law, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.920 all of that is under threat, and it is a 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.560 time for Australia to reassess where we are in the world, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.880 to make sure that we align ourselves more significantly with 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.440 our partners. The Orchest deal with the United States and 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.760 the United Kingdom was integral to us forming a stronger 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.959 alliance with those two countries, but so too when the 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.520 Coalition government was in power, we were able to bring 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.000 together the Quad with Japan and India as well as 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.040 the United States. All of those relationships are vital, but 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.480 so too is the relationship with Israel. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:33.880 They're our closest. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.720 Ally in the Middle East, and as I say, they've 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.600 been a force for good in terms of providing support 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.160 to our interests in the Middle East over the course 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.160 of the last couple of decades, and we shouldn't neglect that. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:46.320 We should never forget it. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.600 What sense of determination did you get from Natanyahu and 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.520 his team about the urgency of securing the release of 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.679 the hostages and also the need to eliminate hamas. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:01.559 Will show. It's a great question. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.240 I mean, as we know there are still one hundred 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:10.680 and fifteen people who are held in captivity, who were. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.000 Buried away in tunnels. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.959 We don't know how many are alive, how many are dead, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.120 What brutality they've experienced at the hands of these terrorists, 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.920 and the barbaric acts we saw when we visited the 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.080 Kabutz and the Nova Music Festival site yesterday. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.400 They're horrific scenes young people who are butchered. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.840 We've seen the videos, the body cam footage of some 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.679 of the terrorist that was recovered hunting people down in 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.800 the streets, going in murdering children and women, abducting people 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.360 and taking them back as hostages. So I have to say, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.720 as you would expect from the President down the Prime 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.600 Minister down here, they are absolutely determined to make sure 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.640 that they can keep the people of Israel safe and secure, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.160 to make sure that there's not a recurrence of what 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.200 we saw on October seven, And they have the capacity 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.120 to do that. Prime Minister Netna Netnyahu, as you know, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.080 has been an experienced hand and I think it's valued 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.120 here in Israel in terms of making sure that they 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.120 can meet the threats and stare down the threats that 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.440 are existential to people here. When we hear the chance 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.680 of river to the sea, this is where I'm standing, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.360 and they want to drive people from their homes here 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.440 literally into the sea off the map, and so you 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.800 can understand why they take so seriously the issue of 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:29.960 safety and security here. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.400 Look, we're showing people at home at the moment, footage 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.040 of you visiting the site of the Nova Music Festival. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.080 What was that like for you, Peter Dutton, going to 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.560 that site of the massacre where so many people were 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:46.360 just killed in. 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:52.080 Cold blood, Well, it was To say it was confronting 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.760 is just an understatement. We'd watched the classified videos before, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.920 as I said, and it showed literally that the of 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:05.400 these innocent young people at the festival, but elsewhere in 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:06.360 the attack as well. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.080 So to have that. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.480 Image in your mind as you go there and physically 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.160 walk the ground, there's just nowhere to hide. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.160 It's flat ground. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.920 You've got thousands of people shouting and chanting and firing 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.680 shots they had. They're particularly well armed, as we know, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.920 and people were just mowed down. They were trying to 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.880 escape into their cars. And the footage of them being 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:35.240 shot as they were approaching checkpoints that Hamas has set up. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.640 It was graphic. It was horrific. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.680 And to see the faces of those young people on 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.400 the signs, it's the face of innocence. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.920 These people don't have a political acts to grind. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.160 In fact, many of them younger people, probably left leaning, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.800 very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, would have been in 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.880 the case of those involved in some of the Kutz activities, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.280 providing support to financial court to some people in the 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.800 Palestinian territory as well. So it doesn't make any sense. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:13.960 But most acts of barbaric, dehumanized conduct from terrorist groups, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.560 I mean that don't make sense. We saw it and 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.880 we still see it today with is and we've seen 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.840 it over a long period of time. The senseless attacks 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.720 on men and women are people of Islamic faith as well, 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:30.560 who were slaughtered by Hamas. It's a terrible, terrible circumstance, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.240 and we hope that the people who being held captive 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.200 can be returned home soon and there can be a 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.200 ceasefy following that. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.440 Yeah, absolutely, I understand. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.160 You also had quite emotional and moving meetings with both 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:49.040 hostage families and even a hostage an elderly person who 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.320 was taken captive by Hamasa and then a father who 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.000 had four members of his family who are being held hostage. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.720 What wire those meetings like for you, you know, speaking 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.080 to those people who are actually dealing with the reality 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.480 of not knowing if they're ever going to see their 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:06.560 family members again. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.120 Well again, it's I mean, it was raw emotion and 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:18.120 you could see the pain in their eyes. The elderly 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.280 lady that we spoke to had been released, but she 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.560 obviously had gone through an unbelievable experience that I didn't 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:27.960 ask her to share, and I don't want. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.560 The graphic details. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.840 I could see the pain that she'd been through as 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.000 she was speaking about the initial attack. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:37.880 And when you look at the. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.000 Father and you see the father holding up the photos 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:46.120 of loved ones that he just wants back. These are 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.440 innocent people, as I say, they're not soldiers, that they're 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.680 not political players, they're not people who are. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.960 Anything other than young people. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.600 Enjoying their lives, and that they're still held captive, particularly 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.680 for the younger earls, not knowing what sort of brutalization 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.760 takes place. That's the reality of their life. It's incomprehensible 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.480 as a parent, and I really felt for them during 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.720 our discussions, and it was a very moving exchange. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.160 As you say, look, you've been in Israel about three 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.080 days now. You've had many high level meetings and meeting 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.720 with local community leaders as well. Has there been a 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:31.760 sense of concern and confusion about where the Israel Australia 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.879 relationship has been over the past nine and a half months. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.720 Well, just talk generally, because obviously we've spoken with a 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.280 lot of people and there are a lot of friends 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.159 here of Australia. There are a lot of Australians that 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.520 we've run into here as well who are living in 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.880 Israel or visiting friends. Just at a restaurant last night, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.520 a couple of people stopped. I was out walking this 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.240 morning and stopped by an individual, and others that we've 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.720 spoken to, there is a wilderment to be honest about 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.359 the government's approach. I think people really have been quite 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.560 shocked about the departure from the position that Australia is 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.120 long held, the activity at the un by Penny Wong 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:17.719 and the statements of restraint when Hermas was still holding 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.200 people captive and the attack was still underway. I mean, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.240 it's quite remarkable in the circumstances that the government has 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.879 taken that decision for their own grass domestic political purposes, 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.400 and that's a decision that they need to live with 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.520 because I believe the relationship is too important and too 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:40.000 necessary to be playing politics with. And that's why I say, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.280 and I'm very definite about this, from day one in government, 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.399 we will make sure that we prioritize the rebuilding of 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.520 this relationship because it's in Australia's long term interests. We 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.399 don't know when we'll need to rely on Israel again. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.080 That we want to be a friend that's not fair weather, 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.200 a friend that's there in all seasons, and that says 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:02.680 it should be. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.440 Mister Darton, I understand from my own contacts that Australia's 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:12.000 anti Israel media coverage and even the impartiality of the 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:17.200 taxpayer funded ABC was raised during your meeting with Natan 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.040 Yahoo and Ron Dermer. I understand that Rondrmer spoke about 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.479 his own experience of being interviewed on the seven thirty report. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.760 He saw that as a hostile interview. Did you find 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.360 it extraordinary that the taxpayer funded ABC was caught into 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:38.399 question at the highest levels of the Israeli government, Well. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.919 Sherry, I watched, actually had watched Ron's interview on the ABC. 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.200 I found it quite astounding and I think the ABC 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.720 needs to have a recheck. I think Kim Williams really 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.159 needs to show some backbone and stand up to people 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.359 like Laura Single and others who have hijacked the ABC. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.840 This is taxpayers money and it needs to be objective 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.399 in its reporting. Clearly it's not in the The inherent 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.119 bias now, the cultural bias within the ABC is the 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.520 reason that their numbers are plummeting. In most Austrains find 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.800 it a distraction from their daily lives and their own 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:14.280 views instead of being the informative news source that it 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.520 has been for all of us over a long period 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.080 of time. So brother Ron did an exceptional job in 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.160 that interview and pushing back. 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.359 In fact, i'd encourage him to to do more. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.159 But I think, yes, I mean, I think there's people 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.440 who really have been quite amazed by some of the reporting, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.360 particularly the ABC, and that's been expressed to us by 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.480 different people on this visit. 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:42.199 Yeah, all right, Peter Dutton, thank you very much, not 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.280 just for joining us with this exclusive interview from Israel, 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.760 but also for making this trip, for bearing witness to 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.240 the atrocities that have taken place, that have killed so 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.520 many Jewish people, the largest loss of life. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.200 In a single day since the Holocaust. 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.680 It's the trip the prime minister should have made many 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.480 other most other Western leaders did make that trip in 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.120 the wake of October seven, and thank you for going 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.359 there and making the trip. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.479 Thank you very much, Cherry TAKEO appreciate it. Thank you. 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.120 And that was Opposition leader Peter Darton from Israel very 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.760 newsy interview. The two big revelations there that during his 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.280 meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he said that 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.560 if he were Prime minister, he would rebuild the broken 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.080 Israel Australia relationship. And also he said that ABC chair 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:33.399 Kim Williams should show some backbone and raining journalists. He says, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.680 like Laura Tinkle who dart and accused of hijacking the ABC. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.920 We'll discuss that a bit later with my panel. More 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.520 to come after the break and new poll reveals Australians 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.840 are blaming labor for high power prices plus the Olympic 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:47.760 gender row. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:55.440 That stole the show in Paris. Welcome back. 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.680 Well, let's bring in now our Wednesday panel, former Victorian 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.679 Liberal Party president Mac Kroger and labor. 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.760 Legend At Graham Richardson. Great to see you both. 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.479 Look, we're going to get to the inflation data in 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.240 just a minute, but I just want to get your 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:14.040 reaction to Peter Dutton's comments there Michael Kroger very specifically 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.200 about that ABC. He said that it was about time 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.640 that Kim Williams showed some backbone rained in the ABC. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.040 He said the journalists like Laura Tingle but others were 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.760 hijacking the public broadcaster. He said there was an inherent 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.040 bias in it, a cultural bias. He said, it's tax 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.520 payers money. It needs to be objective in its reporting 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.040 that it's clearly not. And he said that that most 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.560 Australians find it a distraction from their daily lives instead 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.480 of finding it the informative source of news that it's 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.600 meant to be, and also of course accusing it of 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:50.320 an anti Israel bias. What did you think of those comments, 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:51.560 Michael Kroger. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.119 Well, of course Dutton's absolutely right, and the Sydney based 0:22:56.200 --> 0:23:00.680 ABC News and Current Affairs Division is holding host Stinge. 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.880 The rest of the ABC, I mean, Rural ABC, which 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:09.160 is fantastic Rural Radio, which is great kids, children's drama, sport, comedy, 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.919 et cetera, are all being tarnished by this sort of 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.320 horrific sort are hard left bias coming out of the 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.880 Sydney News and Current Affairs Division. It's been going on 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.920 for years, and of course Peter Dutton is right. Kim 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:23.800 Williams is someone who has brought in and there was 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:25.880 a lot of hope that Kim Williams, who owed nothing 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.120