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Speaker 1: Five Double A Nights with Matthew Pantalas through State Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Three bills aiming to reform how poker machines operate in

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Speaker 1: South Australia were presented by SA BEST Upper House MP

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Speaker 1: Connie Bnaros, and one of the three got through, but

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Speaker 1: the other two didn't. They were voted down by Labor

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Speaker 1: and Liberal and it was essentially one to ban the

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Speaker 1: use of gaming machines between two am and eight am.

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Speaker 1: The other one was to regulate the use of the

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Speaker 1: machines cardless gaming machines. The one that got through, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll let Connie tell us about that. She is on

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Speaker 1: the line from SA Best, Connie Barnaros. Good evening to you, Good.

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Speaker 2: Evening to you, Maskew and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: So which one got through?

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Speaker 2: The one on the positive note gamming advertising on free

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Speaker 2: to wear and streaming services. So you're radio and your team,

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Speaker 2: there's already a code of practice in place which limits

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Speaker 2: the time that you can advertise on TV and radio

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Speaker 2: during timeslots where kids are most likely to be watching.

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Speaker 2: So that'sday, morning and your evening timeslots. And this was,

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Speaker 2: you know, a really modest measure to extend that by

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Speaker 2: an hour either way, so that we really try to

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Speaker 2: limit that timeframe, so from five am to eight thirty

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Speaker 2: am in the morning and four pm to eight thirty

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Speaker 2: in the evening. So that's what got through. That's good.

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Speaker 2: We've moved from six am to eight thirty and four

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Speaker 2: to seven respectively, so in an extra hour where you

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Speaker 2: won't be able to have gambling advertising on TV. I

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Speaker 2: guess likely we I mean, we all know we're being

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Speaker 2: bombarded by these gambling ads on TV. The last thing

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Speaker 2: we want is for them to be playing on TV

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Speaker 2: when our kids are most likely to be viewing. It

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Speaker 2: was a sensible measure, and I'm very grateful for the

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Speaker 2: government support. The Opposition didn't support this measure, but the

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Speaker 2: government did, and I'm grateful for that support. I think

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Speaker 2: it's important to remember, just for your listeners as a whole,

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Speaker 2: this is an issue that's regulated by the federal government,

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Speaker 2: but we do have the ability at a state level,

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Speaker 2: through those codes, to minimize the hours of viewing. And

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Speaker 2: so what I've said is, well, we've got that code,

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Speaker 2: let's put that in legislation and actually extend the hours.

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Speaker 2: And I guess you know, some could say, well, we

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Speaker 2: could do it already. Well, we could do it already,

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Speaker 2: but we never have. So this will ensure that we

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Speaker 2: have longer periods without gambling ads on TV and radio.

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Speaker 1: Which is good. Yeah. Absolutely, does that apply to streaming

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Speaker 1: as well, because it doesn't matter what streaming service you've got, Netflix,

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Speaker 1: nine Live, whatever, just about every break is a gambling ad.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's you know, I mean, it's in your

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Speaker 2: face everywhere, isn't it. You can't you can't get away

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Speaker 2: from it. So all streaming services except the only extemption

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Speaker 2: to that, of course, is if it's you know, a

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Speaker 2: racing channel for instance, so you have dedicated racing channels

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Speaker 2: or for example on something like Adelaide Cup day or

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Speaker 2: Melbourne Cup. Then they're the sorts of exceptions that apply

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Speaker 2: to the general rule. But certainly the streaming services are

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Speaker 2: captured all right.

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Speaker 1: The others that should have got through in my view,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't. Just unreal to think that. As I said,

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Speaker 1: the issue about regulating cashless game machines more and banning

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Speaker 1: the use of gaming machines for instance, through the night.

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Speaker 1: Who needs to gamble at four am for goodness sake,

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Speaker 1: go to bed and.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and you know what we know, I mean gambling losses, Matthew,

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Speaker 2: have tipped a billion dollar mark in South Australia, a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars a year. Mount Gambia losses in the last

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Speaker 2: report by the Order to General were twenty three million

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Speaker 2: dollars just in Mount Gambia. And we know that there's

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Speaker 2: a you know, venue hopping that that people who are

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Speaker 2: addicted to gambling machines partake in. It means that when

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Speaker 2: one venue closes for a three hour window, they hop

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Speaker 2: over to the next one because they know it will

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Speaker 2: be open, and it becomes a vicious cycle. That one

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Speaker 2: So venues at the moment are only required by law

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Speaker 2: to close for six hours in a twenty four hour period,

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Speaker 2: and they can break that up. However they choose. Venues

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Speaker 2: are very clever, Matthew, so they close for three hours.

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Speaker 2: For instance, they know that you know, their regulars will

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Speaker 2: pop down to a venue down the road. Then that

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Speaker 2: the one that they were gambling at originally, or whatever

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Speaker 2: the case may be. But we don't need we don't

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Speaker 2: need poker machines available for that many hours in its

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Speaker 2: twenty four hour period. The other issue that went along

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Speaker 2: hand in glove with that was the signage. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the signage on something. If you want to find a

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Speaker 2: too far right, you know where you're looking for somewhere

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Speaker 2: to go and play the poke machines. Restricting the size

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Speaker 2: though of the signage that we have, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: it's in your face, it's it's a bit obscene at

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Speaker 2: some venues. There's one particular venue that's been point highlighted

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Speaker 2: in this debate where I mean you can't miss it

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Speaker 2: signage is. So why we would want this sort of

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Speaker 2: advertisements on our roads is beyond me, certainly, And sadly,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that is the bill that I

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Speaker 2: thought the government. I didn't expect their opposition to, but

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Speaker 2: I thought the government would see reason and say there

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Speaker 2: is just no need for it, there's no need for

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Speaker 2: it at all. Sadly that bill failed, as did the

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Speaker 2: bill around mandatory mandatory pre commitment to gambling. We have

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Speaker 2: voluntary pre commitment in this state. You can sign up.

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Speaker 2: But again, Matthew, we've seen with losses now tipping the

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Speaker 2: billion dollar mark, voluntary pre commitment is not working. And

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Speaker 2: so the only way you know to make a dent

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Speaker 2: in problem gambling is to introduce a mangatory scheme. And sadly,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I said in the chamber, and like

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Speaker 2: I've said since then, you know, this is the only

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Speaker 2: case where you'll see the two major parties come together.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like the wink of an eye across

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Speaker 2: the chamber. They don't even have to communicate, but they

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Speaker 2: know what their position will be on this because it

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Speaker 2: is I think it's now our third largest revenue base

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Speaker 2: for the state government. It's obscene. And most of that money, Matthew,

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Speaker 2: comes not from recreational gamblers. It's not recreational gamblers who

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Speaker 2: are losing a billion dollars a year. It is a

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Speaker 2: small cohort of problem gamblers, smaller cohort of problem gamblers

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Speaker 2: who are overwhelmingly contributing to those figures. These are people

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Speaker 2: who we know are vulnerable when it comes to gambling,

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Speaker 2: and we know that these machines are deliberately targeted to

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Speaker 2: lower socioeconomic areas where people can least afford to be

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Speaker 2: losing their money. On poker machines, and you know, it's

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Speaker 2: terrible that we're relying on their losses.

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Speaker 1: For our.

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Speaker 2: You know, to prop up our state budget. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't think poker machines to the end today. I

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Speaker 2: think they're on the nose. I don't think people think

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Speaker 2: they're a good thing. And you know, government may not

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Speaker 2: share my view, but I think overwhelmingly people are sick

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Speaker 2: of them and we need to actually get real and

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Speaker 2: do something about them. And this would have been one

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Speaker 2: of those measures that could have done that if there

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Speaker 2: was just a little bit of appetite from the government

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Speaker 2: to make some adjustments to our laws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean to think that the machines got

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Speaker 1: through state parliament initially with one vote, one vote, and.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but look, you know, and I've said this and

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Speaker 2: the government. You know, we've just passed political donation reforms

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Speaker 2: in this state because we want to get influence out

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Speaker 2: of politics, we want to get money out of politics.

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Speaker 2: You can't convince me that there is no influence and

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Speaker 2: take on the poker machine lobby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Connie, look good work there trying to get

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Speaker 1: it through. Can I ask you a question, though without notice,

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Speaker 1: because this has come up earlier tonight. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you were listening a bit earlier. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: about the Adelaide City Council, and council has invited to

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Speaker 1: bring twenty people along to a Christmas party, just anyone,

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Speaker 1: essentially community members, whatever that means. And that led to

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Speaker 1: the topic of rates. And I hark back to the

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Speaker 1: days of the Marshall government and the rate capping legislation

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Speaker 1: that you and Frank and the Labor Party voted down.

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Speaker 1: Do you regret that? Given where rates are going and

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Speaker 1: north at the moment, do you regret voting that down?

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Speaker 2: Look, and you have caught me off guarden with this one.

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Speaker 2: I have to think back to this particular proposal. Bars

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Speaker 2: generally speaking, we know that rates are an issue across

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Speaker 2: the board. I'd be more inclined to look at council

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Speaker 2: magamations before I looked at rate capping. I think we've

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Speaker 2: got too many councils, absolutely, and so that you know

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Speaker 2: that's an issue that if there was any appetite, we

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Speaker 2: should be looking at first and foremost. I think when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the sort of event you've just mentioned, though, look,

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Speaker 2: I get it. You know, I've raised concerns about council

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Speaker 2: spending as much money as they do on complaints that

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Speaker 2: happen within councils amongst counselors, and why I should be

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Speaker 2: responsible as a ratepayer for the sorts of legal bills

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Speaker 2: that come with those sorts of complaints. I accept that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that rate capping will necessarily fix either

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Speaker 2: just alluded to. Ultimately, I think and look, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what the I haven't heard about this particular issue

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Speaker 2: with community members being invited to events.

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Speaker 1: That's a side issue. The issue is rate capping. Rates

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Speaker 1: have been so expensive, and you know, we get you

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Speaker 1: that even five years ago, I was paying about a

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Speaker 1: values going through the roof, but that's happened across the board.

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Speaker 1: But you just look at this expense and think, what

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Speaker 1: I wish they'd been capped.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of us could could have foreseen

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Speaker 2: where property values in South we're now the second most

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Speaker 2: have anticipated that our rates would have jumped as high

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Speaker 2: value of properties. But there are a number of things

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Speaker 2: that I think we can do. We're actually debating this

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Speaker 2: legislation next week, so it's probably good timing to have

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Speaker 2: this discussion, and there are a number of amendments that

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Speaker 2: think also this is a shared responsibility between state and

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Speaker 2: you know often we pass pieces of legislation in that

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Speaker 2: place that add extra layers of work onto council and

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Speaker 2: that has to be paid for. So there is much

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Speaker 2: more that can be done. I don't think that the

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Speaker 2: solution necessarily lies in rate capping per se. I think

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Speaker 2: we have to take a more holistic approach and actually

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Speaker 2: look at what is it What other things are we

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Speaker 2: effectively outsourcing two councils that are also government responsibilities, an

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Speaker 2: we say what council can take care of that well?

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Speaker 2: Particularly our regional councils say quite rightly in response, how

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Speaker 2: are we going to fund this? The only way we

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Speaker 2: a much bigger picture there, I think, and a much

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Speaker 2: broader discussion that needs to occur around the role of councils.

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Speaker 2: I personally, I know it's not popular. I personally think

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Speaker 2: think we're both on the same page about that. But

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Speaker 2: it seems, I mean, this review that's been going on

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Speaker 2: now that's led to this piece of legislation that we're debating,

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Speaker 2: has taken, you know, quite a It's taken quite a

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Speaker 2: while to get here, because it doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 2: one of those issues that we necessarily want to tackle

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Speaker 2: head on. They're not popular issues. They're actually quite divisive,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think we've had the appetite after remember

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Speaker 2: the amalgamation of our two regional councils that went down

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Speaker 2: like a lead balloon. I don't think there's much there's

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Speaker 2: been much appetite since.

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Speaker 1: Gambia and Grant's got about a thousand people in it

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Speaker 1: and it's a council of its own right Mount Gambia's

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Speaker 1: next door with twenty thousand or whatever, and that's right.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, and on the face of it, you think, well,

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't you, But that you know, that was the

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Speaker 2: subject of lots of opposition from locals living in those areas,

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Speaker 2: and I think any discussion around amalgamation died with that proposal.

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Speaker 2: So there's a much bigger conversation that has to be

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Speaker 2: had here. But Matthew, I'm never closed minded to anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy to put my hand up and say,

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Speaker 2: you know, if I think in the past we've got

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Speaker 2: something wrong, I think things have also changed and we

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Speaker 2: need to, you know, take those into accounts. Certainly, the

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Speaker 2: value of our properties in the I mean the value

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Speaker 2: of properties in South Australia in the last ten years

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Speaker 2: has increased by ninety five percent. Nobody nobody thought that

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Speaker 2: was going to happen in Southustralia ten years ago, did they?

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Speaker 1: No, that's true. Yeah, alrighty, Connie, thanks for your time tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Connie Bernaros, Upper House mpsay best Party