Speaker 1: You're on the air with Jason Lauren Clint's here as well,
Speaker 1: Jason Lawrence, tell me what's you know?
Speaker 2: Without doubt my favorite segment we do on this show
Speaker 2: every couple of weeks, so we get a different area
Speaker 2: of the Victorian Police in and this guy is going
Speaker 2: to become a regular. Superintendent Wayne Cheesy Cheeseman is in
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Cheesy, Good morning, Superintendent's great to be here.
Speaker 3: You know, one of my best friend's surname is Cheeseman,
Speaker 3: and we all say it ain't easy being cheesy.
Speaker 4: Is that how you feel about your job?
Speaker 5: Look, I'm probably one of the lucky ones thirty eight
Speaker 5: years in and I love it. I love it. You're
Speaker 5: going to work every day, So I'm not one of
Speaker 5: the negative ones that you might hear about. I'm very positive.
Speaker 3: Well. Our Victorian Police works so hard, especially at the moment,
Speaker 3: it feels like the joints falling apart.
Speaker 4: Dare I say it?
Speaker 5: So? I wouldn't say it's falling apart. We've got so
Speaker 5: many good people that are working really hard, but the
Speaker 5: work is really accountable. We're being asked to do more
Speaker 5: and more with less and less, and I think we're
Speaker 5: so stretched. The members are getting tired. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 5: a matter.
Speaker 6: For It's lucky they've got you because you've bloody done
Speaker 6: it all. What haven't you done at Victoria Police Cleant.
Speaker 5: I've been really fortunate. So I've worked in some great
Speaker 5: years with some great people and I've had a ball,
Speaker 5: to be honest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thirty eight years side squad. What else have you done?
Speaker 6: You You're now a superintendent of an entire region. You've
Speaker 6: done drug investigation, Big task force, Echo task force.
Speaker 1: How's this one? Clinton?
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen Victorian Police Detective of the Year. So
Speaker 2: with all that under your belt, can you take us
Speaker 2: back to the incident that involved your own vehicle several
Speaker 2: years ago?
Speaker 1: Cheezy this life?
Speaker 5: How bad news? Tuble was fast? It was only a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago. Actually, I was over New Years
Speaker 5: down at Sorrento. I was down there with the family
Speaker 5: on holidays and park the car, let's drop the kids
Speaker 5: off at the beaches and we're all going to meet
Speaker 5: up in the mainStreet of Cerento. My wife and I
Speaker 5: went for lunch at the French hotel and walked into
Speaker 5: the street. We all convened. I said, I'll go and
Speaker 5: get the car. And the car wasn't there stolen? Well
Speaker 5: I thought it was stolen. So a police car comes
Speaker 5: down the hill. I flag it down. This is who
Speaker 5: I am. The alarm bell start ringing. We've got to
Speaker 5: help the bus. We've got to help him find his car.
Speaker 5: Police are coming from Rye and all surround the areas
Speaker 5: the crime.
Speaker 1: Well, you've got to look out for your mate, you know,
Speaker 1: they need your herethren. Where did they catch the crooks
Speaker 1: and the car cho.
Speaker 5: So what happened is I walk back and tell the
Speaker 5: family the bad news. We're out of car. My daughter
Speaker 5: tells my wife. My wife goes, you haven't lost it.
Speaker 5: It's not stolen. You just don't know where you parked it.
Speaker 5: And as soon as she said that, I knew she
Speaker 5: was right. She's always right.
Speaker 4: Where had you parked it?
Speaker 5: Different street, in a parallel street? Then I had to
Speaker 5: eat humble pie. And then anyway, we walked back to
Speaker 5: the car with my wife. All the patrol you there's
Speaker 5: four members there. As soon as they arrived, my wife says, jeez,
Speaker 5: they promoted anyone in.
Speaker 3: Who was it more embarrassing admitting it to your colleagues
Speaker 3: or your wife colleagues everyone. Is it true?
Speaker 6: Your colleagues are calling you Chief Wigan.
Speaker 5: They calling me Chief Wigan. They were calling me Sherlock.
Speaker 5: It's a crazy story.
Speaker 1: Ease everyone. I found the camera.
Speaker 3: You know what, I would have actually organized to have
Speaker 3: the castle, and I never would have admitted it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would have paid one of my kids and said
Speaker 3: take the car and park it somewhere else.
Speaker 1: He cheezy.
Speaker 2: You've got a couple of kids yourself, late teens, early twenties.
Speaker 2: How do they go with dad being a superintendent?
Speaker 5: It's really interesting. So my older one, who's twenty two,
Speaker 5: flirts with the idea of maybe joining the police force.
Speaker 5: All his travels out of his system. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if you'll committed or not. I've got one
Speaker 5: of assisteranish year twelve that wants to be a professional basketballer,
Speaker 5: and then my daughter's doing year twelve, so she hasn't
Speaker 5: thought much more than you know what's on the phone tonight.
Speaker 6: Clearly, you know you find your work very, very rewarding,
Speaker 6: and you've been promoted through the ranks, which is fantastic.
Speaker 6: There's industrial action going on all sorts of stuff. It
Speaker 6: is tough work right now. What's to paint a picture
Speaker 6: of modern policing in Victoria.
Speaker 5: Modern policing in Victoria, like I said, we are so accountable.
Speaker 5: If I look at the sergeants and the senior sargeants
Speaker 5: who are the patrol shift supervisors, they are glued to
Speaker 5: the radio. It's not unusual for there to be dozens
Speaker 5: of jobs all backed up waiting for police to attend to.
Speaker 5: It's sort of the way that the I guess society
Speaker 5: has evolved. They're wanting more and more from police, but
Speaker 5: we don't have the resources. So it's my message to
Speaker 5: my members out in Northwest Metro in Division four is
Speaker 5: all you can do is your best with what you've got.
Speaker 5: You need to prioritize what your tasks are. I understand it.
Speaker 5: Cards is concerned to victims say they've had their car
Speaker 5: broken into or a burglary that the police can't get there.
Speaker 5: But if we're tied up with a family violence matter
Speaker 5: or something more serious, unfortunately, they're the priorities that we
Speaker 5: have and the decision we have to make day to day.
Speaker 1: Well, no quick fix.
Speaker 3: Before when I said it feels like the fake place
Speaker 3: is falling apart, I didn't mean vic Police. I meant Victoria,
Speaker 3: it feels like more than ever, we've got more crime.
Speaker 3: People are feeling less safe. I mean, I know youth
Speaker 3: crime is out of control. This issue with breaking and
Speaker 3: entering and stealing cars, it feels like it's just spiraling
Speaker 3: and getting worse and worse every week. Are we imagining
Speaker 3: that or is Victoria in a worse place than before?
Speaker 5: No? No, Obviously, our crime statistics were released before Christmas
Speaker 5: by the Deputy Commissioner and we're at the highest levels
Speaker 5: ever of crime. Youth crime is definitely a problem. Gang
Speaker 5: crime is a problem. Home invasions are a problem, deft
Speaker 5: of cars are a problem. So yes, the police have
Speaker 5: one aspect of enforcement. Everyone's trying, but it's a.
Speaker 1: Big he cheezy can I like the mood. How often
Speaker 1: do you go the gun range?
Speaker 5: We have to qualify every six months. Just the paper targets,
Speaker 5: paper targets and you're going to shoot in the gray.
Speaker 2: I was watching Beverly hill cople this week, just made
Speaker 2: me think they were down to the gun rage, and
Speaker 2: I thought, I wonder how many our officers are going down.
Speaker 5: I see Mel Gibson on Unleaf the weapon when he's
Speaker 5: had a smiley face have you ever tried to do that.
Speaker 5: I've never seen anyone do that.
Speaker 1: I've tried to do.
Speaker 5: This doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, Superintendent Wayne Cheeseman is on the air this
Speaker 2: this morning. We're doing probe the po PO. We're going
Speaker 2: to open the phone lines. You're up for taking questions, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thirteen twenty four ten is our number. Nothing's off limits.
Speaker 1: Superintendent cheese is in the house and we'll come.
Speaker 2: Back and take your calls next. We always do different
Speaker 2: areas the Victorian Police. We've got our regular in the
Speaker 2: house this week. Superintendent Wayne Cheeseman, Cheesey Cheesy is here
Speaker 2: to take your calls. Thirteen twenty four to ten is
Speaker 2: our number. You've You've worked in a variety of different areas.
Speaker 4: Of the police, almost all of them.
Speaker 1: You ever done the water routs, the water police.
Speaker 5: I've never done the water police. I've been out on
Speaker 5: the boats, but I've never actually worked for the water police.
Speaker 2: Because I think we're going to be doing the diving
Speaker 2: squad coming up soon, they've asked us if we want
Speaker 2: to put on the wet suit and go for a swim.
Speaker 4: Oh no thanks, that's not for neither.
Speaker 1: It's just more concerned the horse ones, the horses, the mountains.
Speaker 4: The mountain police. You can do the deep time horses.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the phones. Always say you
Speaker 1: are on the line with Superintendent Cheesey. What's your question?
Speaker 1: Hi morning, guys, good to hear back, Thank you.
Speaker 3: I just want to know why don't.
Speaker 5: Police officers give you your blood alcohol levels after IRBT.
Speaker 1: Ah, we just say you're over or under.
Speaker 5: So the preliminary one, which is the first one you get,
Speaker 5: is only an indication, so we rely on the blood
Speaker 5: test one as the one for evidence for court.
Speaker 4: So just say overall under.
Speaker 5: It just says over under, So it just gives us
Speaker 5: a power then to demand the blood test, which is
Speaker 5: what we use for evidentary purposes.
Speaker 1: But on your screen it's just over runner.
Speaker 5: No, it'll say the wedding on the screen, but we
Speaker 5: don't take that as an a the most accurate for evidence.
Speaker 5: So we just say you are now required to undergo
Speaker 5: up blood.
Speaker 6: So that's why on RBT, if you are over, they
Speaker 6: drag you to yeah for a secondary test.
Speaker 2: When you're roadside and you're getting someone to do a
Speaker 2: breath test for ships and giggles, have you ever gone.
Speaker 1: Like on the show I haven't.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with you? Any other intelligent questions you've got.
Speaker 6: Fore Yeah, when it comes to policing, toying with people
Speaker 6: isn't really high, especially nervous look cheesy.
Speaker 3: There's a reason that Jase would never make it into
Speaker 3: the And that's just one of many.
Speaker 2: There was a very funny video I saw on the
Speaker 2: gram the other day, and it was someone driving a
Speaker 2: left handed car and so the guy sitting in the
Speaker 2: passenger seat on the rights actually had a few drinks.
Speaker 2: They pulled up at the RBT. The cops laying down
Speaker 2: hasn't noticed that the steering girls on the other side.
Speaker 2: So his breath of the passenger and gone, mate, you
Speaker 2: are way over and they all burst out laughing.
Speaker 1: Like wrong person.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Amanda and Barrick. Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 4: Have you got a question for the Victoria police.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: I want to know what happens to all the drugs
Speaker 5: that they see in the rape those big rates that
Speaker 5: they do drugs. So we have a forensic science center
Speaker 5: out at McLeod and there's destruction of all drugs gets
Speaker 5: taken or all the drugs get taken in they get
Speaker 5: destroyed by qualified scientists in the process, sometimes before court,
Speaker 5: sometimes after court. Sometimes we keep samples. So we have
Speaker 5: scientists that do all the destruction of all the drugs
Speaker 5: that we see.
Speaker 4: How do they destroy them.
Speaker 5: That I probably don't know. I've seen cannabis burnt and
Speaker 5: you see all the police standing around the bonfire and
Speaker 5: the powder chemical process.
Speaker 6: All right, get the vans speaking of drugs, and just
Speaker 6: to straighten up a little bit, is I mean, where
Speaker 6: where do we sit with drugs at the moment in
Speaker 6: the community? Is I mean recreationally and you know you're
Speaker 6: out in the night out and you do see a
Speaker 6: lot of people partaking.
Speaker 5: So the truth is drugs are everywhere. They're in society
Speaker 5: throughout society, from your street heroine users to your high
Speaker 5: end cocaine users. My message to those who do decide
Speaker 5: to use is just be very careful because you probably
Speaker 5: buy a powder or a pill you don't actually know
Speaker 5: what's in them, so it can cause them very serious
Speaker 5: health implications, including death, which I've seen a number of
Speaker 5: times by regular users who think they are using something
Speaker 5: they've used before which turned out not to be. So
Speaker 5: just be very careful if you choose that path.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Brian in Hastings. Brian, you are on
Speaker 2: the air with Superintendent Cheesy.
Speaker 1: Watch a question.
Speaker 5: I have a question.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been out in your uniform?
Speaker 5: Have I ever been.
Speaker 4: Asked out on a day?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: True, a man in uniform is very.
Speaker 1: Handsome, any uniform or just the police.
Speaker 5: I have been asked out, but I guess there's a
Speaker 5: young single man. Back in the day, everybody wanted to
Speaker 5: work New Year's Eve because lots of drunk girls wanted
Speaker 5: to kiss a policeman at twelve o'clock. So that was
Speaker 5: probably one of the perks in the day.
Speaker 1: A paddy wagon, was it you someone to lunch?
Speaker 2: It was sorry, I wasn't dropped home.
Speaker 1: It was actually to the venue.
Speaker 3: I wasn't arrested. I got a few parking mines and
Speaker 3: they I got my tires clamped and that a car
Speaker 3: had parked. So this is where when I was at
Speaker 3: university and a car had parked so close to my car.
Speaker 3: When I had paid the finds, they came to clamp off.
Speaker 3: They couldn't get it off. And now I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to lunch with my girlfriends. They said, well,
Speaker 3: I'll drop you.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, in the actual paddywagon, I.
Speaker 4: Was in the backseat, they wouldn't put the sirens on.
Speaker 4: I was very disappointed.
Speaker 1: No, fine, I just a final question.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, back in the nine and stuff,
Speaker 2: it was police discretion, you know, if you pulled someone over,
Speaker 2: whether you let them off or not. Now I see
Speaker 2: all the cops wearing the body cameras. There's a power
Speaker 2: taken out of the police to make the decision on
Speaker 2: whether to do a warning or refine.
Speaker 5: No, we still have the discretion. I guess. The body
Speaker 5: warned cameras is there for their safety, for their safety
Speaker 5: and our safety, and just to show a true account
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 1: Interact evidence evidence in court.
Speaker 5: But I sometimes think that a warning can be just
Speaker 5: as powerful as a ticket, you know.
Speaker 2: Just I hope I'll get you next on the Hey,
Speaker 2: Superintendent Wayne Cheeseman Cheesy on the air of This's doing
Speaker 2: Probe the paper.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for coming in, mate.
Speaker 5: No, my please, are really nice to meet to.
Speaker 3: A sorry police guys are working so hard, So thank
Speaker 3: you for everything you do.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Lauren, wake up feeling good on No.
Speaker 4: One hundred L on Socials