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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installment You project.

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Speaker 1: You know who it is. I hope you're enjoying your week.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday night. As we sit down and record this,

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Speaker 1: I've got a new friend. I've got a new friend,

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Speaker 1: while I'm about to make a new friend, doctor Sherry Madge.

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Speaker 2: Did I get it right? Did I nearly get it right?

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Speaker 3: That's perfect? Greg, you got it?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for thanks for having a chat with us

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Speaker 1: on the You Project. How has your day been?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Pratty much technic. I'm busy, but I think it

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Speaker 3: is good to have some busy days so you feel

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Speaker 3: alive for production and you feel life is going on

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Speaker 3: and you're part of it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, perfect.

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Speaker 1: Now, in order for me to not read out some

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Speaker 1: bio that puts people to sleep, not that you have

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Speaker 1: a boring bio, but could you tell my audience a

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Speaker 1: little bit about about you, about who you are and

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Speaker 1: the work you do, and then we'll go from there.

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Speaker 4: Of course, my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: So Craig, as you probably ask, my name perfectly beautifully right.

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Speaker 3: So my name is Cherry sharemaj. I am a neuroscientist,

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Speaker 3: a PhD in neuroscience and two pastructress again in neuroscience,

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Speaker 3: I've been working with different universities Flinders University at the

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Speaker 3: pathological situations during aging such as Alzheimer's disease, different types

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Speaker 3: aging in general. I'm also working as the editor of

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Speaker 3: I'm really passionate about is my speaking job is about

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Speaker 3: I really try to bring the science to this area.

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Speaker 3: So what I actually consider as my own mission in

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Speaker 3: and different aspects of personal growth. So the like your

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Speaker 3: story short, when you want to talk about how people behave,

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Speaker 3: how people want to improve their lives, it's better to

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Speaker 3: have science backed up. So if you have science, if

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Speaker 3: you can understand what's actually happening inside your brain, when

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Speaker 3: you want to make that change in your life for good.

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Speaker 3: So I think it gives you better motivation to go

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Speaker 3: for it and to keep going for it. So yes,

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're busy. Where did you grow up? Sherry Ow?

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Speaker 3: I was born in Iran, Persia. I got my PhD

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Speaker 3: Then I got first postag from Howard Flory Institute in

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Speaker 3: Australia is my homeland. They have to come back. So

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Speaker 3: I just came back to Australia.

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Speaker 1: All right, I love it. So you've been you've been

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Speaker 1: doing not much. The bottom line, you've just been relaxing

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, So let's talk about.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about being Firstly, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: being a science communicator. So, like you, well, that's not

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Speaker 1: into practice. Right, So how do you do how do

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Speaker 1: That's so true. And it's so true also that we

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Speaker 3: It's just like yes, Like one simple example is, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't drink booze, I've never calcol I've never been high,

438
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Speaker 1: I've never had cigarettes. I sleep great, I don't have

439
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stress. I love my life. I work

440
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Speaker 1: out every day. I don't think I have optimal genetics,

441
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: but I have not bad genetics. But I think it's

442
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: very hard because the Craig experience for Craig is subjective, obviously,

443
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: but I feel like my brain works better now than

444
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: it did twenty years ago because I'm researching, learning, studying, speaking,

445
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: focusing all the time. So but enough about me, tell

446
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Speaker 1: us about how we can optimize our brain.

447
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Speaker 4: Sure, definitely, Well, Craig, I have written a book lately.

448
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Speaker 3: It's name Metamorphosis, and that is From Neuroplasticity to Happiness,

449
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: and I said it available on Amazon. But the reason,

450
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: as I'm saying it, is that all's come back to

451
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: a term which is neuroplasticity. And by neuroplasticity it maybe

452
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: just sounds a very big warrant, but it's actually not

453
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Speaker 3: neuroplastic the meaning change. So change in the neurons inside

454
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: the brain can help you to change whatever you expect

455
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: from yourself, behavior, thought, whatever, So that neuroplassics it is

456
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: actually very important, but it's not happening by itself. You

457
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: have to do some change something around it to make

458
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Speaker 3: the environment the situation prepare for doctor Classicity.

459
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that you said is our lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: If you want to make a change, you have to

461
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: make sure that you are starting changing your lifestyle. So,

462
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Speaker 3: for example, you want to change a behavior, a distructive behavior,

463
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Speaker 3: as you said, first of all, you need to change

464
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Speaker 3: your lifestyle. It's really difficult sometimes if I want to

465
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Speaker 3: change my diet. If I want to change the way

466
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Speaker 3: that exercise, if I want to change the way that

467
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Speaker 3: I sleep, I still like four or five days because

468
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: the rest of the day I'm watching TV, I scrolling

469
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Speaker 3: down my phone, and then like five six hours. So

470
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Speaker 3: you have to make those changes. But first of all,

471
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: to make those changes, you have to change your mindset.

472
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Speaker 3: And that's when it comes to having a growth mindset.

473
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Speaker 3: You need to open the I gues say, the cage

474
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Speaker 3: of your brain to change. I can't change. I want

475
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Speaker 3: to change. I'm not fixed under sound. I want to

476
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Speaker 3: make some changes. So starting with what is not making

477
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Speaker 3: you happy? And when you do want destructive behavior one

478
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Speaker 3: at a time, past and think about that behavior. Think

479
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Speaker 3: if that behavior is going to serve you for good

480
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Speaker 3: or not. Usually it's a very good feeling to have

481
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Speaker 3: a very nice fattierer pullop salt. But I guarantee ninety

482
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Speaker 3: five percent of us we don't have a good feeling

483
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Speaker 3: after eating it. Maybe during it ag but after what

484
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Speaker 3: we feel heavy, we feel a little debiguilty, we feel

485
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Speaker 3: not hap because this is.

486
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Speaker 4: Not what exactly what your body praise for.

487
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Speaker 3: It is not actually healthy, right, So pouset when you

488
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Speaker 3: want next time you want to do something, post just

489
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Speaker 3: for a few seconds and think if that behavior that

490
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Speaker 3: you're gonna do is gonna serve you for good or not.

491
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Speaker 4: If it is for a good point.

492
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Speaker 3: If it is not, stop doing it and start trying

493
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Speaker 3: to Okay, this is not good for me, then find

494
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Speaker 3: out what's gonna be good for you to replace. Right.

495
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Speaker 3: If it is not, I'm not telling you just go

496
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Speaker 3: to be just it's just vegetables all day. No, it's

497
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Speaker 3: start little and simple at the time. Instead of having

498
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Speaker 3: two guard years a day, one day, maybe instead of

499
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Speaker 3: having to to to casino to do gambling, maybe just

500
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Speaker 3: pouse and think, oh, maybe it's not a good thing

501
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: that I keep doing it. Maybe I have to go

502
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Speaker 3: to a movie, for example. Replace it with something else.

503
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Speaker 3: If you are not doing exercise and doesn't vary good example,

504
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Speaker 3: because physical exercise actually will help your brain to have

505
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Speaker 3: good blood circulation, work, healthier, work nicer, get rid of

506
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Speaker 3: those toxic proteins that's gonna build up during when we

507
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Speaker 3: are aging, and that's that's gonna work.

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Speaker 4: For you for good in different areas.

509
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Speaker 3: Right. So next, I'm not saying like you have to

510
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Speaker 3: go to gym every every hour, now. But if you

511
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Speaker 3: want to do some physical activities and you just don't

512
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Speaker 3: want to do it, just.

513
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Speaker 4: Think about it. It's short and small.

514
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Speaker 3: Maybe ten minutes. It's not gonna tell me ten minutes,

515
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Speaker 3: I start jogging. For ten minutes, I start doing like

516
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: simple exerts even at home for ten minutes. That's good.

517
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Speaker 3: I'm watching TV. Ended up sitting on the couch. It

518
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Speaker 3: started like.

519
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Speaker 4: Doing some exercise in front of TV ten minutes a day.

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Speaker 3: And that actually that that that sounds really logical for

521
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Speaker 3: every other behavior that we can have. And this is

522
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Speaker 3: the thing that you said at the beginning of this podcast,

523
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Speaker 3: and you said, do we know what we do? And

524
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Speaker 3: I said a lot, a lot, Because when it comes

525
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Speaker 3: to pausing there and thinking about the behavior, we.

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Speaker 4: Know a lot. We know that this is not good

527
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Speaker 4: for us.

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Speaker 3: That's the part that knowing lots comes about us, right,

529
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Speaker 3: So I know that that's working for me, Then that

530
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Speaker 3: post helps me.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the mindfulness of what we are doing.

532
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Speaker 3: Observing what we are doing, pose it without just repeating

533
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Speaker 3: it automatically. Next time that I just drive to that

534
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Speaker 3: fast food shop automatically, just a sub car. Actually, maybe

535
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Speaker 3: I'll turn it around and this time, I just ignore

536
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Speaker 3: just going this sub time to fast food and just

537
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: maybe tomorrow. So try to do one thing at the time,

538
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: start small, and then as I said, like, try to

539
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: change your life son with open minds. So and I

540
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Speaker 3: guarantee that it's gonna happen. It is going to happen

541
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Speaker 3: to you one at a time, and then at the

542
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Speaker 3: end of you know the day, you.

543
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: Will see like lots of change happened in your life

544
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Speaker 4: for good.

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Speaker 1: Now love it. I've got a million questions. I'm gonna

546
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Speaker 1: you busy, all right, My next question. My next question

547
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Speaker 1: is this. So, in terms of things that can impact

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Speaker 1: the way that your brain works negatively, I'm going to

549
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Speaker 1: give you four things, and I want you to rank

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Speaker 1: them in terms of like one being the worst, like

551
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Speaker 1: one is the worst, down to four the least bad,

552
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: which is yeah, and you know what you might say

553
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: to me, Craig, They're all equally bad.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

555
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Speaker 1: So in terms of things that might impact our cognition,

556
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Speaker 1: the way that our brain works, brain health in the.

557
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Speaker 2: Short, medium and long term. Yes, So number number one

558
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Speaker 2: is for sleep.

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Speaker 1: Number two is alcohol and drugs, and of course there

560
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Speaker 1: are lots of variables. Number three is terrible diet and

561
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Speaker 1: number four is consistent stress.

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Speaker 2: So sleep, sleep, booze, boos and drugs, sleep one, boos

563
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Speaker 2: and drugs too, diet three and stress and anxiety four.

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Speaker 3: All right, So then I really don't need to think

565
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Speaker 3: very much because the answer is simple. So when you

566
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Speaker 3: have you are in a imagine that you are in

567
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Speaker 3: a very uh disasters scenario. You are in the in

568
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Speaker 3: the middle of for example, fire like it fire in

569
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Speaker 3: just in the middle of the fire, or like something

570
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Speaker 3: very dangerous to you, right, So, and there are different

571
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Speaker 3: dangerous around you, and each of them can kill you.

572
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Speaker 3: So you cannot point to one that can kill you

573
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Speaker 3: more because when they kill you, they kill you. Right.

574
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Speaker 3: So the four thing, those four things, they are actually all.

575
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Speaker 4: Of them are dangerous.

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Speaker 3: So I cannot say this one is better than the

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Speaker 3: other one. What I can say is how each of

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Speaker 3: the stronger it can affect our lives. So, but if

579
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Speaker 3: I want to go for everything, and that might be

580
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Speaker 3: a little bit uh stress to the audience, but I go.

581
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Speaker 4: For a stress. A stress is the mother of every

582
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Speaker 4: other bad things.

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Speaker 3: I mean by a stress, I mean toxic stress because

584
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Speaker 3: the stress as a as a very normal level is

585
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Speaker 3: actually good for us. It keeps us away from danger,

586
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Speaker 3: it keeps us focus on what we want to do.

587
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Speaker 3: But if it is toxic, it's gonna affect every single

588
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Speaker 3: part in our body and then it will bring us

589
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Speaker 3: to a stage of totally unastable situation. So this is

590
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Speaker 3: the mother of everything. That doesn't mean that alcohol is

591
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Speaker 3: good or smoking is good or different other bad elements

592
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: are good. So for example, talking about the sleeping, you

593
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: need to have a quality time sleeping and you can live.

594
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Speaker 3: We human we can live longer without water, without food

595
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Speaker 3: than without a sleep. So you don't sleep for fourty

596
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Speaker 3: eight hours or three days is in a row and

597
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: the brain is sort of losing its functionality. It gets confused,

598
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: just start hollosing anything around you know, So then then

599
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Speaker 3: the brain actually starts to die. So that meaning that

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Speaker 3: you can stay alive for without water for two, three,

601
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Speaker 3: four five days, without food for a week or so,

602
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Speaker 3: but not without the slip. So that how makes it

603
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Speaker 3: important about drugs and alcohol? Definitely they are nothing. They

604
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Speaker 3: don't have anything good for your health and definitely not

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Speaker 3: for your brain. Actually alcohol and you say we don't drink,

606
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Speaker 3: I don't drink either, and not because of religious reason,

607
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: not just because of science reason. And the reason is

608
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Speaker 3: because the brain is so sensitive to alcohol. If you

609
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Speaker 3: drink alcohol, after a minute, you can feel the actual

610
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: effect on your brain. This is how fast the brain

611
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: absorb alcohol, right, and then alcohol actually kills the brain

612
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Speaker 3: it cells. So there is one There is one thing

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Speaker 3: about red wine which has a component and it is correspiratol,

614
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: and it is good for Alzheimer's situation. However, you can

615
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: get it from other elements. I'm not saying don't drink,

616
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: but I'm saying at a moderate level, not too much.

617
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: Same as drug drug, No, no moderate level. There is

618
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: nothing zero tolerance for a drug because every single amount

619
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: of it could affect your brain in a very bad way.

620
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Speaker 3: So that's the thing. What was that?

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Speaker 2: What was the other one?

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Speaker 1: So slight alcohol and drugs, poor diet and stress?

623
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, so diet. Have you heard nothing that they

624
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: say you are what you eat?

625
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's actually sure.

626
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Speaker 3: So if you keep eating something healthy and I'm not

627
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Speaker 3: saying don't eat meat, or I'm not saying don't it

628
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: you know soft because soft is actually.

629
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Speaker 4: Is sodium chloride, which your body actually needs.

630
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: Is a part of the cell components, so you need

631
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Speaker 3: to have everything in moderation. But going for extreme of

632
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: some particular types of food is not actually healthy for

633
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: our body, and that is coming in combination with doing exercise.

634
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: So you barely see any fat animals in the wild nature, right,

635
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: So you see like lions and their feet, so you

636
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: don't see fat. And because they have a balance between

637
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: workout they have to hunt and the balance within what

638
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: they eat, like they input and their output. While in

639
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: human beings we eat more than we burn, more than

640
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: we use as energy, that's what we keep actual relating

641
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 3: fat is not a good way and in long term definitely.

642
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Speaker 4: Going to affect our brain health, our cardiovascular health.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, we do say fat labradors though, and that's

644
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: because they're aren't by humans exactly exactly, that's because they

645
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: aren't by humans and fed by humans. So so something

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm more in the neuropsych than the neuroscience, but

647
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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with I'm fascinated with the physiological consequences of

648
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: thinking right right, and so like for example, if right now,

649
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Speaker 1: and my listeners have heard something like this before, but

650
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Speaker 1: if right now I have a thought that I'm in

651
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Speaker 1: danger for no reason. But I think I'm in danger,

652
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Speaker 1: but I'm not in danger. But I think I am,

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Speaker 1: and I believe I am. Then the emotion is fear,

654
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: and then the physiological response is elevated heart rate, breathing, adrenaline, cortisol,

655
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system, all of those things. So all of

656
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, just from a thought that is not true.

657
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: But well, you know, I believe it, but the idea

658
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: is not true. I'm not in any danger. But when

659
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I believe that I'm in danger while not being in danger,

660
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: my body can't tell the difference, So my body will

661
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: go into a stress response state. Right, And so that

662
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, the mind and the emotions and the physiology

663
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: biology are intertwined. It's one system kind of. I mean

664
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Speaker 1: we isolated in research, but as a as an experience

665
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: of being a human, it's all integrated. Right, Everything affects everything.

666
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: So now here's the thing. If twenty times a day

667
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling myself some story, I've excuse my language, fucking

668
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: doom and gloom, right, twenty times a day, then twenty

669
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Speaker 1: times a day, my sympathetic nervous system's going off and

670
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: my endocrine systems go and nuts and I'm doing it

671
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: to myself. Talk to me about that from a neuroscience

672
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: point of view, and just you as somebody who's curious

673
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: about human behavior.

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Speaker 3: That's a married good question. I can give to another example.

675
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: That's what I say to my Audia sometimes in the

676
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: like of having the talk, and I asked him to

677
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: imagine that you have a lemon, very sour lemon in

678
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: your hand, and then you cut it, and then you

679
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: start squeezing it into your mouth.

680
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: Is your saliva is running, yes, in your hand. But

681
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm talking to you, I feel actually myself.

682
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: It's like if you say to someone picture yourself scriping

683
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Speaker 1: your fingernils down a blackboard.

684
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Speaker 2: Oh god, God.

685
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Speaker 1: You're not anywhere near a blackboard.

686
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Speaker 3: So you know what is a mechanism behind that. I'm

687
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: sure you know it, but I'm just trying to just

688
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: bring it out a little bit to the details that

689
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: the brain actually doesn't have that ability to separate fact

690
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: from fictions. So whatever happens to brain, whatever you tell

691
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: the brain, whatever we've see the media, the brain accepts

692
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: this as a fact. That is the job of our brain,

693
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: because that's actually there is one evolutionary reason behind it.

694
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Speaker 3: Brain has to do that to basically protect our body

695
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Speaker 3: from danger, it has to believe everything around to them.

696
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: The next step to see, oh this is dangerous, I

697
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: have to just either hide from it or fight them. Right. So,

698
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: based on that the brain, whatever you say to brain,

699
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: the brain accepts this as a fact. So when you

700
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Speaker 3: go to for example, let me start having that negative

701
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: self talk, which we have all of us. I'm sure

702
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of our self talking is negative. When

703
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: you start talking that negative self talk to yourself since

704
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: the moment that you work up for a morning, the

705
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 3: brain start having those experiences for real life. The brain

706
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: start thinking that those things that you're saying to yourself

707
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: is going to actually happen to it. That's the brain.

708
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: That's the brain perception from what you say to yourself.

709
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Speaker 3: Same as when you start saying positive things to yourself,

710
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: you suddenly I start feeling happy inside. That's why when

711
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: we see somebody's laughing that gives us a sense of happiness,

712
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: is that that event, whatever it is which is making

713
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: the happiness sense, is not happening to us. We just

714
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: see somebody smiling, We just see a kid or a

715
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: baby is laughing, and that actually brings happiness to us. Right,

716
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: that's because the brain thinks that thing actually happens to us.

717
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 3: When we see a dramatic movie or something, well, start crying.

718
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: We're not going there is nothing happening to us, but

719
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: the brain start believing that thing. Actually, we can't use

720
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Speaker 3: that ability of our brain to our advantage. We can

721
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: start thinking that. Okay, now that I know that the

722
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: brain is gonna believe it, how about I take it

723
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: to make it right? How about I start talking some

724
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: good things about myself. I am good, I'm strong. I

725
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: can't do it. Even if I cannot do it, I

726
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: cannot do it yet, but I can do it. Sure,

727
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: So start saying something good and believe me, your brain

728
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: is gonna believe it. And at the end of the

729
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: day you will have more achievement than days before. You

730
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: will have more happiness than the days before. And then

731
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Speaker 3: at the same time whenever again again it comes to mindfulness,

732
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: but the self. Next time that the self negative self

733
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: talk comes to you, pause it, pos it And then

734
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: I start thinking, if I keep doing this, my brain

735
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: actually thinks that's happening to me. And that's one every

736
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: thing is actually my beautiful, amazing mom does. I have

737
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Speaker 3: the most beautiful mom in the world that did everything

738
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Speaker 3: for me, and whatever I have is from her, and

739
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: she will. We all have some problems in our life.

740
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: And still when she starts talking to me from time

741
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: to time she says, remember when like that thing happened

742
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: to us? And I feel that when she's talking about

743
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: that kind the story from behind this, I can see

744
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: the sadness in her face and I stop her.

745
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 4: Mom's up.

746
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 3: You see, your brain thinks that sad event is going

747
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: to happen to you again. That's why you feel sadness.

748
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: That's why your voice is getting down. So pose it.

749
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Speaker 3: Think of it as this is the behavior that I

750
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: don't want to have. I don't want my belief, my

751
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: brain to believe that this bad thing is going to

752
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: happen to it. So I pose it. As soon as

753
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 3: you pose it, the brain stopped thinking about this, right

754
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: and then again. So this this is the power of

755
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: our brain. The job of our brain is thinking. You

756
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: cannot stop thinking, but you can't pause on something that

757
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: is not working for you and work on the other thing. So,

758
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: as I said, like ninety five percent of the thoughts

759
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: that we have during that they never going to happen

760
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: to us. So be thinking about what if if I

761
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: go through this and I lose my job, and I

762
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: lose my home and I lose and that ninety five

763
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: person even I can say ninety nine percent never going

764
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: to happen. But it keeps armone and that is natural

765
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: because our brain wants to protect us against the danger.

766
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: But that's actually too much.

767
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I love it. They actually did some

768
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Speaker 1: research on that. How many of the things that we

769
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Speaker 1: ruminate on the negative future potential problems and catashphes and

770
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Speaker 1: it's it was either ninety one or ninety four percent,

771
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Speaker 1: and of the remaining of the remaining percent, they generally

772
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: weren't as bad as we thought, right, you have you

773
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: heard Sherry about And I apologize to my listeners, but

774
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Speaker 1: I love this experiment. There was an experiment done by

775
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: some Canadian researchers around milkshakes. Have you heard of the

776
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: milkshake experiment?

777
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 3: No?

778
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: No, you'll love this right, So talk about the power

779
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: of the power of thinking and brain. And so they

780
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: had all of these people who were hungry, so they

781
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: hadn't eaten, they were hungry, so they measured their you know,

782
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: grellin the hunger hormone. Yes, right, So they measured their

783
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Speaker 1: grellin levels. It was high, and then they gave them

784
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Speaker 1: over three different sessions. They gave them three different milkshakes,

785
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Speaker 1: and one was a full fat, full sugar, full calorie

786
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Speaker 1: like six or seven hundred calorie milkshake, and then they

787
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Speaker 1: gave them at a second sitting same.

788
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Speaker 2: You know, when they were hungry.

789
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Speaker 1: They gave them a middle of the range three three

790
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty calorie milkshake, and then at another sitting

791
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: they gave them like a low calorie, low fat, no sugar,

792
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten or twenty calorie milkshake.

793
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: And as you would.

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00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Expect, after they had the full fat, high calorie milkshake,

795
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Speaker 1: their grelon levels had plummeted, right, Their grelon levels were

796
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: very low, and then when they had the next one

797
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: they were a bit higher because there was not as

798
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Speaker 1: many and then when they had the low fat, low sugar,

799
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: low calorie version, their grelon levels remained relatively high. And

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Speaker 1: then they got them all together and they brought them

801
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Speaker 1: in and they debriefed them and they said they told

802
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: them that they gave them the data, the results, and

803
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: everyone's like, well that makes sense. And they said, yeah,

804
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: it makes sense, except you had the same milkshake every time.

805
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: How crazy is that?

806
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: But that is crazy?

807
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: I can I can send you that study. Yeah, and

808
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: so they actually.

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00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what produced the different result or the different

810
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: ground level result was not what they were drinking, but

811
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Speaker 1: what they thought they were drinking exactly.

812
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: The brain. The brain is amazing, isn't.

813
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: It is amazing.

814
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: It is amazing.

815
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Speaker 3: I can give you one a more example. And that

816
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: was really amazing that you just said. And you know what,

817
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: like uh, and I think many of athletes, they have

818
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: their professional ones, they may have had this experience that.

819
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: For example, if you see many of those football players

820
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: or psychoplayers when they are in the field and they

821
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: actually eager, they actually actually actually don't feel the pain

822
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: they I mean, you see that that person is running

823
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: all through the game with kind of the broken thumb

824
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: or broken something, you know, and then it actually is

825
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: not just like it's pretending it doesn't feel the pain.

826
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Speaker 3: This is the power of your brain. And the pain

827
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: is there, the damage, the broken bones, but the brain

828
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: actually expends you not to feel the pain because you

829
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: are important for this team to win. So if you

830
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: just get out of the field.

831
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 4: Your team will lose. So this is the power of brain.

832
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: We we have the most powerful tool in the entire

833
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: universe in our hands.

834
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: It's totally up to us if.

835
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: We want to use it in our advantage or we

836
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: don't use it, or even worse, we use it against

837
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: our advantage.

838
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: So it's totally in our hands.

839
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: And that is that is the most important thing to

840
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: know that we are in control, not you know, not.

841
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: Anything else you know in this is very current, but

842
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: in you're in South Australia, right, yes, yes, okay. So

843
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: there's a guy called Christian Petrarca who plays for Melbourne

844
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: in the AFL. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, so he not

845
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: this weekend, the one before he was playing, he got

846
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: hit really badly. He broke four ribs. He punctured his

847
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: lung and he ruptured his spleen and he kept playing.

848
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: He kept playing, right, I mean, obviously he was in pain,

849
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: but I mean there's no way he should have been

850
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: able to play. You know, even if you have one

851
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: broken rib, it's agony. Yes, so, I mean, I don't

852
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: know if that's adrenaline or what that is, but all right,

853
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: we've got to wind up. But I want to ask you.

854
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: So we've had we've had a guy on the show

855
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: a couple of times from Harvard University. His name is

856
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Speaker 1: Professor Jeffrey Reddiger, and he is a genius in the

857
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: space of place ebos and spontaneous healing, and you know

858
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: he talks about again in this space.

859
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: Have you heard of him?

860
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, yes, most of the people who say

861
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 4: they don't.

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00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's amazing. So we've had him a

863
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: couple of times. What are your thoughts on placebo like

864
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: the power of the mind to basically create a healing

865
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Speaker 1: effect on the body.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, actually I totally believe it. Plus and that

867
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Speaker 3: is not actually a fiction thing or just the war.

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Speaker 3: That actually comes back to the power of reign to basically,

869
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Speaker 3: either in short term or long term, change the way

870
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: that it can act. So I just give you a

871
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: simple example, and I'm not sure that you're not about to,

872
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: but the job of the brain cells are talking to

873
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: each other. They communicate with each other, that's the job.

874
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: That's the simple thing that they do. If they want

875
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: to send a message to a muscle to work or

876
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: my tongue to talk, they just send that civil right.

877
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 3: So the way that they can do their job better

878
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: and stronger is when they communicate a stronger and by

879
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: that communicating a stronger I mean that they have to

880
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 3: actually connect more to each other, they have to grow

881
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: more hands.

882
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: To each other and then make it happen. So this

883
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: is the long term.

884
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: Effect that the brain uses to develop a skill, develop

885
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: something else. But that's all of those the long term

886
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: development of a skill. That's sort of in the very

887
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: short term. Like the first step as I can say,

888
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: and that is the thing that you want to change something.

889
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 3: You think that you need to change something, and then

890
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: after reach into that when you start doing that thing.

891
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 3: So doing that thing or thinking about changing that thing

892
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: could actually happen to brain in real life or could

893
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: happen to break not in real life, doesn't matter. As

894
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: I said, the brain cannot differentiate with fact and fiction.

895
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 3: That's why the team in that Canadian said it. The

896
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: brain actually worked the same way because the brain thing

897
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: that change is going to happen. That is the most

898
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: important thing. If the brain thing change is going to happen,

899
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: it will happen to the brain, and the brain makes

900
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: it actually realistic for you. So you think that you

901
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: are going to feel less hungry because of the milkshake.

902
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: So then you will feel less hungry because of the

903
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: milkshake because that change is the trigger for the cells

904
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: to start communicating in different different terr right, So that's

905
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: happening when you have placebo. So next time, if one

906
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: of your family members have not not a serious physical problem,

907
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: just a little bit of headache or something that just

908
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: sometimes give it the ticksack instead of you know, uh, perceptable,

909
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: and the person start feeling better actually because the brain

910
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: actually doesn't think. I said, if it's not a serious problem,

911
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going through the medical terms. But the brain

912
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: thinks that that is perceptible. What's the job of personable?

913
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: It makes me feel better to feel less pain. So

914
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: now I'm taking it and it starts actually working on

915
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 3: the brain in the same area. Right. Your brain start

916
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 3: to think that, oh, this cell which is happening something

917
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: to it, and then it's started feeling pain for me

918
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: now receiving and actually happening inside the braain is receiving

919
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: the agent, the substance that's gonna help it. So the

920
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 3: brain starts automatically physically feeling less pain around itself. So

921
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to go through the details, but actually

922
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: physically it happens to the brain. It's not just like

923
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: a fiction that it inside the brain. If you go

924
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: inside the brain, you see that those elements which are

925
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: creating pain, they are reducing just by that thought in

926
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: your brain. That's why you feel less actually pain. That's

927
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: why that person in the in the field. The injury

928
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: is there, I'm sure even sometimes the bleeding is there,

929
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: the damage, the tissue is there, but the person doesn't

930
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 3: feel that much of pain. That's because the brain thinks

931
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: that this is the change that I have to happen.

932
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: I have to come it to happen, and that is

933
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: the winning of the game. And I forgot one. There

934
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: is no injury, there's no breaking bones, there is no no, no,

935
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: no serious damage, and it believes it, you know. So

936
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: I give you one example. Uh, like back to a

937
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: few years ago, I had a few of kids in

938
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: my home, like playing like my families, and one of

939
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: them actually uh started writing dot point like red with

940
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: the red pencil and the other ones hand and the

941
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: other girl thought that it was blood and it was

942
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 3: not blood, just like the marker and the kid crime

943
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: somehow that it was actually painful.

944
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 4: And that's the power of brain. You see that thing,

945
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: and do you think that's actually happening? So, as I said,

946
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 4: each i'n use definitely in our advantage because the brain

947
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: actually believes it whatever you can give it. That's the

948
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: power of media.

949
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: Actually, you think when you see at the news is

950
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: not going to affect your brain, It's going to affect

951
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: you massively. So because whatever you see, you're gonna believe it.

952
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: So again, that plasicle thing sometimes is good because it

953
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: helps you to heal without actual chemical intervention or anything,

954
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 3: which is good. But I'm not saying that it's going

955
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: to help for in any situation. Depends on the situation,

956
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 3: of course.

957
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

958
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: Wow, I love how excited you are about your work

959
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: and your I love that.

960
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

961
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, how do people connect with you? Share if

962
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: people want to book you, tell us where to find

963
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: you on social media and website, and how organizations or

964
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: individuals can connect with you.

965
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: Definitely, So I actually, as I said, like I had

966
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: a book on Amazona mindset with some more folks from

967
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: your Plasity to Happiness. Uh if it's online like ebook,

968
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: and also you can order it. But if you want

969
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: me to, I'm more than happy to get involved.

970
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 4: To workshops, to talks and as you see, I'm very passionate.

971
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: At the end of the session, you will find you

972
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 3: just have to jump on, you know, doing something, and

973
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: I really like this.

974
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 2: Is yeah, sorry, sorry, keep going.

975
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: So I really I really like, like I'm not saying

976
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: that you're my students, but I really like to act

977
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: as somebody to motivate my students still to go do it.

978
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: You can do it. And because I saw the results happening.

979
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: So I have a website shrymagic dot com. So and

980
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: also so I am in Flinders University, so we can

981
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 3: work well. I can go to my Flinders University website.

982
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: I'm linked in.

983
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 4: Just search for my name Sherry Shoremas.

984
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: And I'm also on Google scholar if you're interested in

985
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: reading my publication, my peer review articles. But the best

986
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: way to book me is to go through that website

987
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: Sherry Maas dot com. And you can go through different

988
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: services that I can offer you in their workshops, in

989
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: their webinars, in their talking and then you can book

990
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: It depends on the events. And yes, yes, I will

991
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: be available to come and talk to you and we

992
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: can go through that journey together. I'm still learning so

993
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: I can learn something from you and you can learn

994
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: something from it.

995
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: Two ways awesome.

996
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: And if all that files, everyone just send us an

997
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: email via the show through the website and we'll put

998
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: you in We'll put you in contact with Sherry. We'll

999
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: say goodbye off but for the moment, Sherry, thanks for

1000
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: being on the You project. I really enjoyed it and

1001
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

1002
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 4: Thank you so much Craig for having me.

1003
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed your insightful podcast and I hope I

1004
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: can come back sometimes again.

1005
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, I would love it.

1006
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.