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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installment You project.

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Speaker 1: You know who it is. I hope you're enjoying your week.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday night. As we sit down and record this,

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Speaker 1: I've got a new friend. I've got a new friend,

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Speaker 1: while I'm about to make a new friend, doctor Sherry Madge.

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Speaker 2: Did I get it right? Did I nearly get it right?

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Speaker 3: That's perfect? Greg, you got it?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for thanks for having a chat with us

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Speaker 1: on the You Project. How has your day been?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Pratty much technic. I'm busy, but I think it

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Speaker 3: is good to have some busy days so you feel

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Speaker 3: alive for production and you feel life is going on

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Speaker 4: Part of it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, perfect.

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Speaker 1: Now, in order for me to not read out some

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Speaker 1: bio that puts people to sleep, not that you have

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Speaker 1: a boring bio, but could you tell my audience a

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Speaker 1: little bit about about you, about who you are and

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Speaker 1: the work you do, and then we'll go from there.

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Speaker 3: Of course, my pleasure. So Craig, as you probably ask,

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Speaker 3: my name perfectly beautifully right. So my name is Cherry sharemaj.

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Speaker 3: I am a neuroscientist, a PhD in neuroscience and two

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Speaker 3: pastructress again in neuroscience, I've been working with different universities

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Speaker 3: Flinders University at the moment and Tauhouse University in Canada,

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Speaker 3: Melbourne University in Welburg, and so I work basically on

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Speaker 3: the research and also teaching of neuroscience and my research

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Speaker 3: basically focus on brain pathological situations during aging such as

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Speaker 3: and also brain aging in general. I'm also working as

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Speaker 3: the editor of or in chief for some journals, and

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Speaker 3: the one that I'm really passionate about is my speaking

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Speaker 3: job is about the self hope speaking, also motivationally speaking,

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Speaker 3: keynote speaking, and I really try to bring the science

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Speaker 3: own mission in this particular field is to fill the

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Speaker 3: gap between science and different aspects of personal growth. So

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Speaker 3: the like your story short, when you want to talk

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Speaker 3: about how people behave, how people want to improve their lives,

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Speaker 3: it's better to have science backed up. So if you

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Speaker 3: have science, if you can understand what's actually happening inside

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Speaker 3: better motivation to go for it and to keep going

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Speaker 3: for it. So yes, at the moment, I'm also working

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Speaker 3: with the Council of Ambulance Authorities, which is covering ambulance

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Speaker 3: services in Australia and New Zealand AFA New Guinea, while

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Speaker 3: I'm working with Philliners University too, So yesience speaking euro science,

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Speaker 3: this is my passion.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're busy. Where did you grow up? Sherry Ow?

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Speaker 3: I was born in Iran, Persia. I got my PhD

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Speaker 1: All right, I love it. So you've been You've been

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Speaker 1: doing not much. The bottom line, you've just been relaxing

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Speaker 1: and paying lazy exactly, exactly, city the academic couch, just

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, So let's talk about.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about being Firstly, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: being a science communicator. So, like you, well, that's not

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Speaker 1: corporate speaking. So I do over one hundred corporate gigs

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Speaker 1: I'm busy in that space. But one of the challenges

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Speaker 1: into practice. Right, So how do you do how do

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Speaker 3: That's a very good question, right. Well, the thing is,

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Speaker 4: So you have to make it very interesting for that person.

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Speaker 1: That's so true. And it's so true also that we

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Speaker 3: It's just like yes, Like one simple example is, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've never had cigarettes. I sleep great, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of stress. I love my life. I work

438
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Speaker 1: out every day. I don't think I have optimal genetics,

439
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: but I have not bad genetics. But I think it's

440
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Speaker 1: very hard because the Craig experience for Craig is subjective, obviously,

441
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Speaker 1: but I feel like my brain works better now than

442
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: it did twenty years ago because I'm researching, learning, studying, speaking,

443
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: focusing all the time. So but enough about me, tell

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Speaker 1: us about how we can optimize our brain.

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Speaker 4: Sure, definitely, Well, Craig, I have written a book lately.

446
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Speaker 3: It's name Metamorphosis, and that is From Neuroplasticity to Happiness,

447
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: And I said it available on Amazon. But the reason,

448
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: as I'm saying it is that alls come back to

449
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: a term which is neuroplasticity. And by neuroplasticity it maybe

450
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: just sounds a very big warrant, but it's actually not

451
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: neuroplastic the meaning change. So change in the neurons inside

452
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: the brain can help you to change whatever you expect

453
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: from yourself, behavior, thought, whatever, So that neuroplassics it is

454
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: actually very important, but it's not happening by itself. You

455
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: have to do some change something around it to make

456
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: the environment the situation prepare for doctor classicity. And one

457
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: of the things that you said is our lifestyle. If

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Speaker 3: you want to make a change, you have to make

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Speaker 3: sure that you are starting changing your lifestyle. So, for example,

460
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Speaker 3: you want to change a behavior, a distructive behavior, as

461
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Speaker 3: you said, first of all, you need to change your lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: It's really difficult sometimes if I want to change my diet.

463
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Speaker 3: If I want to change the way that exercise, if

464
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Speaker 3: I want to change the way that I sleep, I

465
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Speaker 3: still like four or five days because the rest of

466
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Speaker 3: the day I'm watching TV, I scrolling down my phone,

467
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Speaker 3: and then like five six hours. So you have to

468
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Speaker 3: make those changes. But first of all, to make those changes,

469
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Speaker 3: you have to change your mindset. And that's when it

470
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Speaker 3: comes to having a growth mindset. You need to open

471
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Speaker 3: the I gues say, the cage of your brain to change.

472
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Speaker 3: I can't change. I want to change. I'm not fixed

473
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Speaker 3: under sound. I want to make some changes. So starting

474
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Speaker 3: with what is not making you happy? And when you

475
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Speaker 3: do want distructive behavior one at a time, past and

476
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Speaker 3: think about that behavior. Think if that behavior is going

477
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Speaker 3: to serve you for good or not. Usually it's a

478
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Speaker 3: very good feeling to have a very nice fattierer pullop salt.

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Speaker 3: But I guarantee ninety five percent of us we don't

480
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Speaker 3: have a good feeling after eating it. Maybe during it

481
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Speaker 3: a it, but after what we feel heavy, we feel

482
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Speaker 3: a little DEBI guilty, we feel not happy because this

483
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Speaker 3: is not what exactly what your body praise for. It

484
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Speaker 3: is not actually healthy, right, So pousset when you want.

485
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Speaker 3: Next time you want to do something, post just for

486
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Speaker 3: a few seconds and think if that behavior that you're

487
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Speaker 3: gonna do is gonna serve you for good or not.

488
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Speaker 3: If it is for a good point. If it is not,

489
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Speaker 3: stop doing it and start trying to Okay, this is

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Speaker 3: not good for me, then find out what's gonna be

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Speaker 3: good for you to replace. Right. If it is not,

492
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Speaker 3: I'm not telling you just go to be just it's

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Speaker 3: just vegetables all day. No, it's start little and simple

494
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Speaker 3: at the time. Instead of having two guard years a

495
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Speaker 3: day one day, maybe instead of having to to to

496
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Speaker 3: casino to do gambling, maybe just pouse and think, oh,

497
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Speaker 3: maybe it's not a good thing that I keep doing it.

498
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Speaker 3: Maybe I have to go to a movie for example.

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Speaker 3: Replace it with something else. If you are not doing

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Speaker 3: exercise and doesn't vary good example, because physical exercise actually

501
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: will help your brain to have good blood circulation, work, healthier,

502
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Speaker 3: work nicer, get rid of those toxic proteins that's gonna

503
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Speaker 3: build up during when we are aging, and that's that's

504
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: gonna work for you for good in different areas. Right,

505
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Speaker 3: So next, I'm not saying like you have to go

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Speaker 3: to gym every every hour now. But if you want

507
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Speaker 3: to do some physical activities and you just don't want

508
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Speaker 3: to do it, just think about it. It's short and small.

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Speaker 3: Maybe ten minutes. It's not gonna tell me ten minutes,

510
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Speaker 3: I start jogging. For ten minutes, I start doing like

511
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Speaker 3: simple exerts even at home for ten minutes. That's good.

512
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Speaker 3: I'm watching TV. Ended up sitting on the couch. It

513
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Speaker 3: started like.

514
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Speaker 4: Doing some exercise in front of TV ten minutes a day.

515
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Speaker 3: And that actually that that that sounds really logical for

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Speaker 3: every other behavior that we can have. And this is

517
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Speaker 3: the thing that you said at the beginning of this podcast,

518
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Speaker 3: and you said, do we know what we do?

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Speaker 4: And I said a lot?

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Speaker 3: A lot, Because when it comes to pausing there and

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Speaker 3: thinking about the behavior, we know a lot. We know

522
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Speaker 3: that this is not good for us. That's the part

523
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Speaker 3: that knowing lots comes about us, right, So I know

524
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Speaker 3: that that's working for me, Then that post helps me.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the mindfulness of what we are doing. Observing

526
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: what we are doing, pose it without just repeating it

527
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: automatically next time that I just drive to that fast

528
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Speaker 3: food shop automatically, just.

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Speaker 4: A sub car.

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Speaker 3: Actually, maybe I'll turn it around and this time I

531
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Speaker 3: just ignore just going this sub time to fast food

532
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: and just maybe tomorrow. So try to do one thing

533
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Speaker 3: at the time, start small, and then as I said, like,

534
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: try to change your life son with open mind. So

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Speaker 3: and I guarantee that it's gonna happen. It is going

536
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: to happen to you one at a time. And then

537
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: at the end of you know the day, you will

538
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: see like lots of change happened in your life for good.

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Speaker 1: Now love it. I've got a million questions. I'm gonna

540
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Speaker 1: you busy, all right, My next question. My next question

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Speaker 1: is this. So, in terms of things that can impact

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Speaker 1: the way that your brain works negatively, I'm going to

543
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Speaker 1: give you four things, and I want you to rank

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Speaker 1: them in terms of like one being the worst, like

545
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Speaker 1: one is the worst, down to four the least bad,

546
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Speaker 1: which is yeah, and you know what you might say

547
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Speaker 1: to me, Craig, They're all equally bad.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of things that might impact our cognition,

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Speaker 1: the way that our brain works, brain health in the.

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Speaker 2: Short, medium and long term. Yes, So number number one

552
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Speaker 2: is for sleep.

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Speaker 1: Number two is alcohol and drugs, And of course there

554
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Speaker 1: are lots of variables number three is terrible diet and

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00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: number four is consistent stress.

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Speaker 2: So sleep, sleep, booze boos and drugs, sleep one, boos

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Speaker 2: and drugs too, diet three, and stress and anxiety four.

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Speaker 3: All right, So then I really don't need to think

559
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Speaker 3: very much because the answer is simple. So when you

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Speaker 3: have you are in a imagine that you are in

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00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: a very uh disasters scenario. You are in the in

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Speaker 3: the middle of for example, fire like it fire in

563
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Speaker 3: just in the middle of the fire, or like something

564
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Speaker 3: very dangerous to you, right, So, and there are different

565
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Speaker 3: dangers around you, and each of them can kill you.

566
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Speaker 3: So you cannot point to one that can kill you

567
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Speaker 3: more because when they kill you, they kill you. Right.

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Speaker 4: So the four thing, those four things, they are actually all.

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Speaker 3: Of them are dangerous. So I cannot say this one

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Speaker 3: is better than the other one. What I can say

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Speaker 3: is how each of the stronger it can affect our lives.

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Speaker 4: So, but if I want to.

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Speaker 3: Go for everything, and that might be a little bit

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Speaker 3: uh stress to the audience, but I go for a stress.

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Speaker 4: A stress is the mother of every other bad things.

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Speaker 3: I mean by a stress, I mean toxic stress because

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Speaker 3: the stress as a as a very normal level is

578
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Speaker 3: actually good for us. It keeps us away from danger,

579
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Speaker 3: it keeps us focus on what we want to do.

580
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Speaker 3: But if it is toxic, it's gonna affect every single

581
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Speaker 3: part in our body and then it will bring us

582
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Speaker 3: to a stage of totally unastable situation. So this is

583
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Speaker 3: the mother of everything. That doesn't mean that alcohol is

584
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: good or smoking is good or different. Other bad elements

585
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: are good. So for example, talking about the sleeping, you

586
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: need to have a quality time sleeping and you can live.

587
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: We human we can live longer without water, without food

588
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: than without a sleep. So you don't sleep for fourty

589
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: eight hours or three days is in a row and

590
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: the brain is sort of losing its functionality. It gets confused,

591
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: just start hollosing anything around you know, So then then

592
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: the brain actually starts to die. So that meaning that

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Speaker 3: you can stay alive for without water for two, three,

594
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Speaker 3: four five days, without food for a week or so,

595
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Speaker 3: but not without the slip. So that how makes it

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Speaker 3: important about drugs and alcohol? Definitely they are nothing. They

597
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Speaker 3: don't have anything good for your health and definitely not

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Speaker 3: for your brain. Actually alcohol and you say we don't drink,

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Speaker 3: I don't drink either, and not because of religious reason,

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Speaker 3: not just because of science reason. And the reason is

601
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Speaker 3: because the brain is so sensitive to alcohol. If you

602
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Speaker 3: drink alcohol, after a minute, you can feel the actual

603
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Speaker 3: effect on your brain. This is how fast the brain

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Speaker 3: absorb alcohol, right, and then alcohol actually kills the brain

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Speaker 3: it cells. So there is one There is one thing

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: about red wine which has a component and it is correspiratol,

607
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: and it is good for Alzheimer's situation. However, you can

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Speaker 3: get it from other elements. I'm not saying don't drink,

609
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: but I'm saying at a moderate level, not too much.

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Speaker 3: Same as drug drug, No, no, moderate level. There is

611
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Speaker 3: nothing zero tolerance for a drug because every single amount.

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Speaker 4: Of it could affect your brain in a very bad way.

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Speaker 4: So that's the thing. What was that?

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Speaker 2: What was the other one?

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Speaker 1: So slight alcohol and drugs, poor diet and stress?

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, so diet. Have you heard nothing that they

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00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: say you are what you eat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

619
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Speaker 3: No, that's actually sure. So if you keep eating something

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Speaker 3: healthy and I'm not saying don't eat meat, or I'm

621
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Speaker 3: not saying don't it you know soft because soft is actually.

622
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Speaker 4: Is sodium chloride, which your body actually needs.

623
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Speaker 3: Is a part of the cell components, so you need

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: to have everything in moderation. But going for extreme of

625
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: some particular types of food is not actually healthy for

626
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Speaker 3: our body, and that is coming in combination with doing exercise.

627
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: So you barely see any fat animals in the wild nature, right,

628
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: So you see like lions and their feet, so you

629
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: don't see fat. And because they have a balance between

630
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: workout they have to hunt and the balance within what

631
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: they eat, like they input and their output. While in

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00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: human beings we eat more than we burn, more than

633
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: we use as energy, that's what we keep actual relating

634
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Speaker 3: fat is not a good way and in long term

635
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: definitely going to affect our brain health, our cardiovascular health.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, we do say fat labradors though, and that's

637
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: because they're aren't by humans exactly exactly, that's because they

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00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: aren't by humans and fed by humans. So so something

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00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more in the neuropsych than the neuroscience, but

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with I'm fascinated with the physiological consequences of

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00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: thinking right right, and so like for example, if right now,

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00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: and my listeners have heard something like this before, but

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Speaker 1: if right now I have a thought that I'm in

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Speaker 1: danger for no reason. But I think I'm in danger,

645
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: but I'm not in danger. But I think I am,

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Speaker 1: and I believe I am. Then the emotion is fear,

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Speaker 1: and then the physiological response is elevated heart rate, breathing, adrenaline, cortisol,

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Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system, all of those things. So all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, just from a thought that is not true.

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Speaker 1: But well, you know, I believe it, but the idea

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00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: is not true. I'm not in any danger. But when

652
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Speaker 1: I believe that I'm in danger while not being in danger,

653
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: my body can't tell the difference, So my body will

654
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: go into a stress response state. Right, And so that

655
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, the mind and the emotions and the physiology

656
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: biology are intertwined. It's one system kind of. I mean

657
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: we isolated in research, but as a as an experience

658
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: of being a human, it's all integrated. Right, Everything affects everything.

659
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: So now here's the thing. If twenty times a day

660
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Speaker 1: I'm telling myself some story, I've excuse my language, fucking

661
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: doom and gloom, right, twenty times a day, then twenty

662
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: times a day, my sympathetic nervous system's going off and

663
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: my endocrine systems go and nuts and I'm doing it

664
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Speaker 1: to myself. Talk to me about that from a neuroscience

665
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: point of view, and just you as somebody who's curious

666
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: about human behavior.

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00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: That's a married good question. I can give to another example.

668
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Speaker 3: That's what I say to my Audia sometimes in the

669
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Speaker 3: like of having the talk, and I asked him to

670
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: imagine that you have a lemon, very sour lemon in

671
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: your hand, and then you cut it, and then you

672
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: start squeezing it into your mouth. Is your saliva is running, yes,

673
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Speaker 3: in your hand.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I'm talking to you, I feel

675
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Speaker 4: actually myself.

676
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Speaker 1: It's like if you say to someone picture yourself scriping

677
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Speaker 1: your fingernils down a blackboard.

678
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Speaker 2: Oh god, God, you're not anywhere near a blackboard.

679
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Speaker 3: So you know what is a mechanism behind that. I'm

680
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: sure you know it, but I'm just trying to just

681
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: bring it out a little bit to the details that

682
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: the brain actually doesn't have that ability to separate fact

683
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Speaker 3: from fictions. So whatever happens to brain, whatever you tell

684
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: the brain, whatever we've see the media, the brain accepts

685
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: this as a fact. That is the job of our brain,

686
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: because that's actually there is one evolutionary reason behind it.

687
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: Brain has to do that to basically protect our body

688
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: from danger, it has to believe everything around to them.

689
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: The next step to see, oh this is dangerous, I

690
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: have to just either hide from it or fight them. Right. So,

691
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Speaker 3: based on that the brain, whatever you say to brain,

692
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Speaker 3: the brain accepts this as a fact. So when you

693
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Speaker 3: go to for example, let me start having that negative

694
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Speaker 3: self talk, which we have all of us. I'm sure

695
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of our self talking is negative.

696
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: When you start talking that negative.

697
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: Self talk to yourself since the moment that you work

698
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Speaker 3: up for a morning, the brain start having those.

699
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Speaker 4: Experiences for real life.

700
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Speaker 3: The brain start thinking that those things that you're saying

701
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: to yourself is going to actually happen to it. That's

702
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: the brain. That's the brain perception from what you say

703
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: to yourself. Same as when you start saying positive things

704
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: to yourself, you suddenly I start feeling happy inside. That's

705
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: why when we see somebody's laughing that gives us a

706
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 3: sense of happiness, is that that event, whatever it is

707
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: which is making the happiness sense, is not happening to us.

708
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 3: We just see somebody smiling, We just see a kid

709
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: or a baby is laughing, and that actually brings happiness

710
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: to us. Right, that's because the brain thinks that thing

711
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: actually happens to us. When we see a dramatic movie

712
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: or something, well, start crying. We're not going there is

713
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: nothing happening to us, but the brain start.

714
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Speaker 4: Believing that thing.

715
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Speaker 3: Actually, we can't use that ability of our brain to

716
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Speaker 3: our advantage. We can start thinking that. Okay, now that

717
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: I know that the brain is gonna believe it, how

718
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: about I take it to make it right?

719
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Speaker 4: How about I start talking some.

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Speaker 3: Good things about myself. I am good, I'm strong. I

721
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Speaker 3: can't do it. Even if I cannot do it, I

722
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: cannot do it yet, but I can do it. Sure,

723
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: So start saying something good and believe me, your brain

724
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: is gonna believe it. And at the end of the

725
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: day you will have more achievement than days before. You

726
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: will have more happiness than the days before. And then

727
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: at the same time whenever again again it comes to mindfulness,

728
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: but the self. Next time that the self negative self

729
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: talk comes to you, pause it, pos it And then

730
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: I start thinking, if I keep doing this, my brain

731
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: actually thinks that's happening to me. And that's one every

732
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: thing is actually my beautiful, amazing mom does. I have

733
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Speaker 3: the most beautiful mom in the world that did everything

734
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Speaker 3: for me, and whatever I have is from her, and

735
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: she will. We all have some problems in our life.

736
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Speaker 3: And still when she starts talking to me from time

737
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: to time she says, remember when like that thing happened

738
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Speaker 3: to us? And I feel that when she's talking about

739
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: that kind the story from behind this, I can see

740
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: the sadness in her face and I stop her. Mom's up.

741
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: You see, your brain thinks.

742
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: That sad event is going to happen to you again.

743
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: That's why you feel sadness. That's why your voice is

744
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: getting down. So pose it.

745
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Speaker 3: Think of it as this is the behavior that I

746
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: don't want to have. I don't want my belief, my

747
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: brain to believe that this bad thing is going to

748
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Speaker 3: happen to it.

749
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Speaker 4: So I pose it.

750
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Speaker 3: As soon as you pose it, the brain stopped thinking

751
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: about this, right and then again. So this this is

752
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: the power of our brain. The job of our brain

753
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: is thinking. You cannot stop thinking, but you can't pause

754
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: on something that is not working for you and work

755
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: on the other thing. So, as I said, like ninety

756
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: five percent of the thoughts that we have during that

757
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 3: they never going to happen to us. So be thinking

758
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: about what if if I go through this and I

759
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: lose my job, and I lose my home and I

760
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: lose and that ninety five person even I can say

761
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent never going to happen.

762
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 4: But it keeps armone and that is natural because our

763
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: brain wants to protect us against the danger. But that's

764
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 4: actually too much.

765
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I love it. They actually did some

766
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: research on that. How many of the things that we

767
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: ruminate on the negative future potential problems and catashphes and

768
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Speaker 1: it's it was either ninety one or ninety four percent,

769
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Speaker 1: and all the remaining of the remaining percent, they generally

770
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: weren't as bad as we thought, right, you have you

771
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: heard Sherry about And I apologize to my listeners, but

772
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Speaker 1: I love this experiment. There was an experiment done by

773
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Speaker 1: some Canadian researchers around milkshakes. Have you heard of the

774
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: milkshake experiment?

775
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 3: No?

776
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: No, you'll love this right, So talk about the power

777
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: of the power of thinking and brain. And so they

778
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: had all of these people who were hungry, so they

779
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Speaker 1: hadn't eaten, they were hungry, so they measured their you know,

780
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: grellin the hunger hormone. Yes, right, So they measured their

781
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Speaker 1: grellin levels. It was high, and then they gave them

782
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Speaker 1: over three different sessions. They gave them three different milkshakes,

783
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Speaker 1: and one was a full fat, full sugar, full calorie

784
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Speaker 1: like six or seven hundred calorie milkshake, and then they

785
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: gave them at a second sitting same.

786
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Speaker 2: You know, when they were hungry.

787
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Speaker 1: They gave them a middle of the range three three

788
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty calorie milkshake, and then at another sitting

789
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: they gave them like a low calorie, low fat, no sugar,

790
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten or twenty calorie milkshake.

791
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: And as you would.

792
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Expect, after they had the full fat, high calorie milkshake,

793
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: their grelon levels had plummeted, right, Their grelon levels were

794
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: very low, and then when they had the next one

795
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: they were a bit higher because there was not as

796
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Speaker 1: many and then when they had the low fat, low sugar,

797
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: low calorie version, their grelon levels remained relatively high.

798
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Speaker 2: And then they got them.

799
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Speaker 1: All together and they brought them in and they debriefed

800
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: them and they said they told them that they gave

801
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: them the data, the results, and everyone's like, well that

802
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: makes sense. And they said, yeah, it makes sense, except

803
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: you had the same milkshake every time. How crazy is that?

804
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: That is really.

805
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: I I can send you that study. Yeah, and so

806
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: they actually.

807
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what produced the different result or the different

808
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: ground level result was not what they were drinking, but

809
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: what they thought they were drinking exactly.

810
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: The brain. The brain is amazing, isn't.

811
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Speaker 3: It is amazing. It is amazing. I can give you

812
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: one a more example. And that was really amazing that

813
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Speaker 3: you just said. And you know what, like uh, and

814
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Speaker 3: I think many of athletes, they have their professional ones,

815
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: they may have had this experience that. For example, if

816
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: you see many of those football players or psychoplayers when

817
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: they are in the field and they actually eager, they

818
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: actually actually actually don't feel the pain they I mean,

819
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: you see that that person is running all through the

820
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 3: game with kind of the broken thumb or broken something,

821
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: you know, and then it actually is not just like

822
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Speaker 3: it's pretending it doesn't feel the pain.

823
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: This is the power of your brain.

824
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: And the pain is there, the damage, the broken bones,

825
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 3: but the brain actually expends you not to feel the

826
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Speaker 3: pain because you are important for this team to win.

827
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: So if you just get out of the field.

828
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Speaker 4: Your team will lose. So this is the power of brain.

829
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: We we have the most powerful tool in the entire

830
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: universe in our hands. It's totally up to us if

831
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: we want to use it in our advantage or we

832
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: don't use it, or even worse, we use it against

833
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: our advantage.

834
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Speaker 4: So it's totally in our hands.

835
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Speaker 3: And that is that is the most important thing to

836
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: know that we are in control, not you know, not

837
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Speaker 3: anything else.

838
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Speaker 1: You know in this is very current, but in you're

839
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: in South Australia, right, yes, yes, okay. So there's a

840
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: guy called Christian Petrarca who plays for Melbourne in the AFL.

841
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

842
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: So he.

843
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Speaker 1: Not this weekend, the one before he was playing, he

844
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: got hit really badly. He broke four ribs. He punctured

845
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: his lung and he ruptured his spleen and he kept playing.

846
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: He kept playing, right, I mean obviously he was in pain,

847
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: but I mean there's no way he should have been

848
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Speaker 1: able to play. You know, even if you have one

849
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: broken rib, it's agony. Yes, so, I mean I don't

850
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: know if that's adrenaline or what that is. But all right,

851
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: we've got to wind up. But I want to ask you.

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00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: So we've had we've had a guy on the show

853
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Speaker 1: a couple of times from Harvard University. His name is

854
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Speaker 1: Professor Jeffrey Reddiger, and he is a genius in the

855
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: space of place ebos and spontaneous healing, and you know

856
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: he talks about again in this space.

857
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: Have you heard of him?

858
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, yes, most of the people who say

859
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 4: they don't.

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00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's amazing. So we've had him a

861
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Speaker 1: couple of times. What are your thoughts on placebo like

862
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: the power of the mind to basically create a healing

863
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: effect on the body.

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00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: Yes, well, actually I totally believe it. Plus and that

865
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Speaker 3: is not actually a fiction thing or just the war.

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Speaker 3: That actually comes back to the power of reign to basically,

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Speaker 3: either in short term or long term, change the way

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Speaker 3: that it can act. So I just give you a

869
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Speaker 3: simple example, and I'm not sure that you're not about to,

870
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Speaker 3: but the job of the brain cells are talking to

871
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Speaker 3: each other. They communicate with each other, that's the job.

872
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: That's the simple thing that they do. If they want

873
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: to send a message to a muscle to work or

874
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: my tongue to talk, they just send that cigy not right.

875
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 3: So the way that they can do their job better

876
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: and stronger is when they communicate a stronger and by

877
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: that communicating a stronger I mean that they have to

878
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: actually connect more to each other, they have to grow more.

879
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: Hands to each other and then make it happen. So

880
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: this is the long term.

881
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: Effect that the brain uses to develop a skill, develop

882
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: something else. But that's all of those the long term

883
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: development of a skill.

884
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 4: That's sort of in the very short term.

885
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: Like the first step as I can say, and that

886
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: is the thing that you want to change something.

887
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: You think that you need to change something, and then after.

888
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: Reach into that when you start doing that thing. So

889
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: doing that thing or thinking about changing that thing could

890
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: actually happen to brain in real life or could happen

891
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: to break not in real life, doesn't matter.

892
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: As I said, the brain cannot differentiate with fact and fiction.

893
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 3: That's why the team in that Canadian said it. The

894
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: brain actually worked the same way because the brain thing

895
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: that change is going to happen. That is the most

896
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: important thing. If the brain thing change is going to happen,

897
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: it will happen to the brain, and the brain makes

898
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: it actually realistic for you. So you think that you

899
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: are going to feel less hungry because of the milkshake.

900
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: So then you will feel less hungry because of the

901
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: milkshake because that change is the trigger for the cells

902
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: to start communicating in different different terr right, So that's

903
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: happening when you have placebo.

904
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Speaker 4: So next time, if.

905
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Speaker 3: One of your family members have not not a serious

906
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: physical problem, just a little bit of headache or something

907
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: that just sometimes give it the ticksack instead of you know, uh,

908
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: perceptable and the person start feeling better actually because the

909
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: brain actually doesn't think. I said, if it's not a

910
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: serious problem, I'm not going through the medical terms. But

911
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: the brain thinks that that is perceptible. What's the job

912
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: of personable? It makes me feel better, to feel less pain.

913
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: So now I'm taking it and it starts actually working

914
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: on the brain in the same area.

915
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: Right, Your brain start to think that, oh, this.

916
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: Cell which is happening something to it, and then it's

917
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: started feeling pain for me. Now you're receiving and actually

918
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: happening inside the braain is receiving the agent, the substance

919
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: that's gonna help it. So the brain starts automatically physically

920
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 3: feeling less pain around itself. So I don't want to

921
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: go through the details. But actually physically it happens to

922
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: the brain. It's not just like a fiction that it

923
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: inside the brain. If you go inside the brain, you

924
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: see that those elements which are creating pain, they are

925
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: reducing just by that thought in your brain. That's why

926
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: you feel less actually pain. That's why that person in

927
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: the in the field. The injury is there, I'm sure

928
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: even sometimes the bleeding is there, the damage, the tissue

929
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: is there, but the person doesn't feel that much of pain.

930
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 3: That's because the brain thinks that this is the change

931
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: that I have to happen. I have to come it

932
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: to happen, and that is the winning of the game.

933
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: And I forgot one. There is no injury, there's no

934
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 3: breaking bones, there is no no, no, no serious damage,

935
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Speaker 3: and it believes it, you know.

936
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Speaker 4: So I give you one example.

937
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: Uh, like back to a few years ago, I had

938
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: a few of kids in my home, like playing like

939
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 3: my families, and one of them actually uh started writing

940
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: dot point like red with the red pencil and the

941
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: other ones hand and the other girl thought that it

942
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: was blood and it was not blood, just like the

943
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: marker and the kid crime somehow that it was actually

944
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: painful and that's the power of brain. You see that thing,

945
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: and do you think that's actually happening? So, as I said,

946
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: each can use definitely in our advantage because the brain

947
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 3: actually believes it whatever you can give it. That's the

948
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 3: power of media. Actually, you think when you see at

949
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Speaker 3: the news is not going to affect your brain, It's

950
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 3: going to affect you massively. So because whatever you see,

951
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna believe it. So again, that plasicle thing sometimes

952
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: is good because it helps you to heal without actual

953
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: chemical intervention or anything, which is good. But I'm not

954
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 3: saying that it's going to help for in any situation.

955
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 3: Depends on the situation, of course.

956
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

957
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Speaker 1: Wow, I love how excited you are about your work

958
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: and your I love that.

959
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

960
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, how do people connect with you? Share if

961
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: people want to book you, tell us where to find

962
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: you on social media and website, and how organizations or

963
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: individuals can connect with you.

964
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Speaker 3: Definitely, So I actually, as I said, like I had

965
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Speaker 3: a book on Amazona mindset with some more folsus from

966
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Speaker 3: your Plasity to Happiness. Uh if it's online like ebook,

967
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: and also you can order it. But if you want

968
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Speaker 3: me to, I'm more than happy to get involved.

969
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Speaker 4: To workshops, to talks and as you see, I'm very passionate.

970
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: At the end of the session, you will find you

971
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 3: just have to jump on, you know, doing something.

972
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Speaker 2: Well. And I really like this is yeah, sorry, sorry,

973
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Speaker 2: keep going.

974
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Speaker 3: So I really I really like, like I'm not saying

975
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: that you're my students, but I really like to act

976
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: as somebody to motivate my students still to go do it.

977
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Speaker 4: You can do it.

978
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Speaker 3: And because I saw the results happening. So I have

979
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Speaker 3: a website shrymagic dot com. So and also so I

980
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: am in Flinders University, so we can work well. I

981
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: can go to my Flinders University website. I'm linked in.

982
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Speaker 3: Just search for my name Sherry Shoremas and I'm also

983
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: on Google scholar if you're interested in reading my publication,

984
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: my peer review articles. But the best way to book

985
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: me is to go through that website, Sherry Mauch dot com.

986
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: And you can go through different services that I can

987
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: offer you in their workshops, in their webinars, in their

988
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: talking and then you can book it depends on the events.

989
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 4: And yes, yes, I will.

990
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: Be available to come and talk to you and we

991
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: can go through that journey together.

992
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm still learning, so I can learn something from you

993
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: and you can learn.

994
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Speaker 3: Something from it.

995
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Speaker 2: Two ways awesome.

996
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Speaker 1: And if all that files, everyone just send us an

997
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: email via the show through the website and we'll put

998
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: you in We'll put you in contact with Sherry. We'll

999
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: say goodbye off but for the moment, Sherry, thanks for

1000
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: being on the You project. I really enjoyed it and

1001
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

1002
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Craig for having me.

1003
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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed your insightful podcast and I hope I

1004
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: can come back sometimes again.

1005
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, I would love it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.