Speaker 1: Appogiae Production.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sheep Risers Podcast. I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana.
Speaker 3: This podcast is.
Speaker 4: About female empowerment and encouraging you to be your biggest, boldest,
Speaker 4: and most authentic version of yourself.
Speaker 2: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level.
Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh and cry and talk about the topics
Speaker 2: everyone else is too afraid to talk about.
Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self. What have
Speaker 3: you said to a troll?
Speaker 1: This is probably more for Ashy. What have you said
Speaker 1: to a troll that you probably shouldn't have?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's anything directly that I've said,
Speaker 2: but I think I've just been a bit spicy back,
Speaker 2: like maybe just you know, you to take good look
Speaker 2: in the mirror, or I've been a bit passive, aggressive
Speaker 2: or sarcastic back to them. I don't think there's anything
Speaker 2: that really bad, Like I get told with my head
Speaker 2: in a blender, I get told to go walk in
Speaker 2: front of a bus, I get told go jump off
Speaker 2: a bridge. Never anything like that. It's more just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: the other day someone wrote a shit review. I didn't
Speaker 2: even say anything, actually, but I said to Tiana, like
Speaker 2: I'd love to say to them, like you're complaining about
Speaker 2: listening to me for the last fifteen years, yet you're
Speaker 2: still here fucking listening. Yeah, like, go get a live,
Speaker 2: go for a hobby. Why am I your hobby? Stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I think I've said over the years, like
Speaker 2: why are you here? Surely you have something better to
Speaker 2: do you on your Sunday morning. See, there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of attitude in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just like, you're not putting up for
Speaker 4: the bullshit coming online, coming onto your page where they
Speaker 4: don't have to be.
Speaker 2: But I should just block and delete. But sometimes I'm
Speaker 2: spicy and I'll just be like, well, what are you
Speaker 2: doing here? Like, surely you have a busy life. Don't
Speaker 2: you have kids to go be with instead of being
Speaker 2: on my page.
Speaker 4: You've also dealt with it for fifteen years. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: I could imagine that would push your buttons. Sometimes it's
Speaker 4: not often, but every now and again I'll add a
Speaker 4: little spicest definitely comes down and just like, no, fuck
Speaker 4: you and come on my page and disrespect me like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does it ever continue into an argument back?
Speaker 2: No, don't allow it to because I'm just very protective
Speaker 2: of my energy, and I'm like, you don't deserve to
Speaker 2: be my page if that's what you're going to do.
Speaker 2: And most of the time I just block them, delete them.
Speaker 2: You can see when they're being a.
Speaker 3: Trip, yeah, when really looking for a fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But over the years and my fifteen years have
Speaker 2: I been back, for sure, but never anything to the
Speaker 2: extent that I look back, I'm like, holy shit, why
Speaker 2: did I say that?
Speaker 1: You know, what would you like to say to one
Speaker 1: of Ashy's trolls when they'd tell her to put her
Speaker 1: head in a blender?
Speaker 4: Tatiana initially wanted to be like, get fucked. That sounds
Speaker 4: so bad, but like that was my initial just response
Speaker 4: thing because I'm so protective of her, but also like
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Just honestly, like what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Like I genuinely hope that one day you find something
Speaker 4: that lights you up enough in life that you aren't
Speaker 4: here sitting at your home on a computer putting down
Speaker 4: someone who is doing everything that she can to create
Speaker 4: a fucking really good life for herself. Considering where she
Speaker 4: came from, that she actually had the balls big enough
Speaker 4: to go out and get where she fucking wanted in life.
Speaker 4: Like the fact that you're sitting there doing that to
Speaker 4: her just shows that maybe you wish that you could
Speaker 4: have done that in your life and you haven't yet
Speaker 4: done that, and she highlights that for you, So it's
Speaker 4: something to look at.
Speaker 2: I would love to just have a face to face conversation.
Speaker 2: I feel like within five minutes of them actually getting
Speaker 2: to know who I am and just talking to me,
Speaker 2: their assumptions about me would dissolve. I really do. I'd
Speaker 2: love to ask them and let them get out what
Speaker 2: they want to say and then talk about it. They'd
Speaker 2: realize a lot about themselves and a lot about the
Speaker 2: maybe noise that they've collectively heard or read or felt
Speaker 2: or assumed.
Speaker 3: I think it would dissolve very quickly.
Speaker 1: They'd almost be disappointed, like, oh, yeahh it's nice. I
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sometimes as well, that's hard for people to look at
Speaker 4: because then they have to admit that they're at fault. Yeah.
Speaker 3: People don't like doing that, but you still do this.
Speaker 3: You still did that.
Speaker 2: Also, love just talking about and teaching about change. They
Speaker 2: hold onto things that I might have said or done
Speaker 2: fifteen years I'm like, oh my gosh, I was to
Speaker 2: go back and look at things that you've done with
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, You're a be a completely different person now.
Speaker 2: Like allow people to evolve, grow and change, Like we
Speaker 2: all have to forgive ourselves for the mistakes that we made.
Speaker 2: We have to figure other people as well. You just
Speaker 2: know that's a part of their journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but no one will ever meet up with me.
Speaker 3: I've tried over the.
Speaker 1: Years because they don't want to be proven wrong, or
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing to.
Speaker 2: Be a troll.
Speaker 3: It is because then I have to own it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: own it.
Speaker 2: That's not cool to be known as a troll. Why
Speaker 2: do they have no photos on their profile? Because they're embarrassed.
Speaker 2: They don't want show you they are.
Speaker 4: People get uncomfortable with the face to face. People only
Speaker 4: comfortable because it's behind a screen and they're tired, so
Speaker 4: they can say the most unfiltered thing because there's no repercussions,
Speaker 4: or they believe that there's no consequence or repercussion for
Speaker 4: what they're choosing to do. But if they had every
Speaker 4: single person that they respected, loved, valued, cared about, or
Speaker 4: inspired by sitting there watching them while they're trolling, somebody
Speaker 4: who's doing good, they would be so ashamed.
Speaker 3: And it's not to make you feel shame or judgment
Speaker 3: if this.
Speaker 4: Is something that you're doing, but it's just recognizing, like
Speaker 4: would you actually be proud of the choices that you're
Speaker 4: making if you were fully aware of how that might
Speaker 4: impact you in your life, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It's like leaving a Google review, Like you're happy to
Speaker 1: leave a Google review telling a restaurant that their meal
Speaker 1: was shit, but you didn't say it at the time
Speaker 1: when you were yes, wrong.
Speaker 2: Right, it was a restaurant, and probably you appreciate the
Speaker 2: feedback if you were like, hey, my stake was really undercooked,
Speaker 2: or this felt raw, or this had hair in it.
Speaker 2: You'd rather get told face to face and be able
Speaker 2: to make the improvements, offer a free meal or discount
Speaker 2: for next time they come.
Speaker 4: But there's a way to do it, Yeah, there is,
Speaker 4: Like what you were just saying when you were sharing that,
Speaker 4: I was like, there's a way.
Speaker 3: To do it. It's like anything in life.
Speaker 4: Communicators and not expecting that other people can't handle your
Speaker 4: honest feedback.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent is always a way to communicate it. Can
Speaker 2: you've done kindly and effectively.
Speaker 3: And then I'm over here like, fuck off.
Speaker 2: You don't actually do that though, No, I doubt you.
Speaker 3: Get to clive of you and you.
Speaker 2: Can feel angry in the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's normal.
Speaker 1: Next question, is there an influencer that you wish you
Speaker 1: were friends with?
Speaker 3: The first person that comes to mind is Leila Harmosey.
Speaker 2: Yeah you love her?
Speaker 3: Do you love her?
Speaker 4: I would love to be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 4: Her perspective, her mindset, the way that she does business.
Speaker 4: She's got like a billion dollar empire and come from nothing,
Speaker 4: no money, you know, had to basically fend for herself
Speaker 4: and had a really hard upbringing to where she is now.
Speaker 3: I just find it really inspiring, and.
Speaker 4: I just I have a lot of respect for her
Speaker 4: and what I see her do and the way she
Speaker 4: navigates not only business, but emotions relationships. There are a
Speaker 4: lot of beautiful things that I see her do and
Speaker 4: she's just got this, like, she emulates a lot of strength.
Speaker 4: If I could, I would love to have a conversation
Speaker 4: with her, and yeah, be a.
Speaker 3: Fly on the wall.
Speaker 2: I think that I've always really liked Witnessmans. She's a
Speaker 2: US influencer. She has a help and venus app and
Speaker 2: she told her story of her upbringing and she has
Speaker 2: really bad psoriasis, and she's gone through depression and the
Speaker 2: online world, and I think maybe I find relatability in
Speaker 2: her story as well, going through a lot of grief
Speaker 2: at the moment, she's lost someone to cancer, and she's
Speaker 2: just very honest and real and humble and just seems
Speaker 2: like a really beautiful person. I think she'd be really
Speaker 2: nice vibe to be around.
Speaker 1: What would you do if social media died tomorrow gone?
Speaker 2: Well, when we went to eat and retreat, I really
Speaker 2: love not having my phone. I think I would really
Speaker 2: enjoy your life without my phone. I love it and
Speaker 2: I'm addicited to it and it gives me all these
Speaker 2: opportunities and it's fun and every single day. But I
Speaker 2: also loved how peaceful I felt not having a phone,
Speaker 2: so I'd kind of accept it. But work wise, I mean,
Speaker 2: I hope we could still do the podcast and retreats.
Speaker 2: But does something. Podcasts are not a thing.
Speaker 1: Podcasts are still a thing that you can't promote it
Speaker 1: on social media. There's no socials.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we've built our podcasts up enough to continue to go,
Speaker 2: keep going, and your in person stuff. But yeah, retreats, workshops,
Speaker 2: in person events. Hopefully we can still sell tickets without
Speaker 2: social media. I've always wanted to be a dog washer.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll do that anymore, though that was
Speaker 2: always a dream of mine. But even when I walk
Speaker 2: into a health food store, I could so see myself
Speaker 2: working in health food store.
Speaker 3: Love that.
Speaker 2: I love health food stores.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I ever had to get like a normal
Speaker 2: job again, que quote normal job, That's probably where I
Speaker 2: would go interesting about you, what would do a normal.
Speaker 4: I think initially, like if social media were to die tomorrow,
Speaker 4: I would probably feel a lot of withdrawal at first,
Speaker 4: Like I think I would be pretty devastated and gutted
Speaker 4: because in the opportunity that social media does present, and
Speaker 4: also that feeling of feeling connect to everyone. I remember
Speaker 4: when I did a social media detox like six weeks,
Speaker 4: and I remember initially feeling, holy shit, I'm actually not
Speaker 4: as connected to people that as I thought I was,
Speaker 4: because I'm plugging into everyone's lives, watching what they're doing,
Speaker 4: but I'm not actually calling them, I'm not going and
Speaker 4: seeing them, And I think initially I would feel that
Speaker 4: disappointment and that feeling.
Speaker 1: Of like, oh, like whatever.
Speaker 4: But I think with time I would adjust back to
Speaker 4: normal life as well, you know, and I think I
Speaker 4: would love it. It would be peaceful, like what you said,
Speaker 4: you'd be so present in your everyday life and it
Speaker 4: would just be normal.
Speaker 2: But what job would you do?
Speaker 3: Real estate agent?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that you're doing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I even started that, like a couple of years back.
Speaker 4: I started to go through that process just because I've
Speaker 4: been in building in construction for my whole life.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 4: So it's really like an avenue that I feel confident
Speaker 4: and competent in and I think I could really expand
Speaker 4: and that I think i'd have fun. I'd loving that,
Speaker 4: being able to communicate with new people, make connections, you
Speaker 4: love all relationships, get to see beautiful houses. I love
Speaker 4: interior design and all that sort of stuff. So I
Speaker 4: feel like i'd really have fun with that.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about how it would make you feel in
Speaker 1: terms of losing your audience.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really nice to get all those messages,
Speaker 2: but I also don't rely on it for a source
Speaker 2: of validation, so I think i'd be Okay. It is
Speaker 2: really nice and it's a nice stroke to my eg
Speaker 2: and it's good to hear feedback of what I do
Speaker 2: and what I say and how that impacts them. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't rely on that, so I
Speaker 2: think I'd be okay, but I would miss the connection.
Speaker 2: I miss the variety, the miss the fun. Social media
Speaker 2: is quite fun for me, apart from the hate, it's
Speaker 2: quite fun. So I think i'd miss that aspect, especially TikTok.
Speaker 2: It's just so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is one thing that people don't know about you?
Speaker 1: It would have been and you've talked about it, so
Speaker 1: people do know now, but Tiana being a tady.
Speaker 3: Yeap one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people not knowing that. I don't talk about it
Speaker 4: that often at all. Really on social media. I have
Speaker 4: little bits and bobs, but not really if it just
Speaker 4: feels like such like a past life now. But literally
Speaker 4: worked on site for like five years, got my carpentry
Speaker 4: my trade when I was by the time I was
Speaker 4: fully qualified by the time I was nineteen, started in
Speaker 4: school surrounded by a job site full of all men,
Speaker 4: just me and my sister and all men. It was Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a whole experience. Taught me a lot about life,
Speaker 4: that's for sure, and like hard work, dedication, discipline.
Speaker 1: Do you still do the odd carpentry job for people?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 4: I remember saying to my last part, like, don't ask
Speaker 4: me to hang a painting, Like I'm not gonna fucking
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 3: I just it's so done. Yeah, it's so done.
Speaker 4: It doesn't even feel like a part of who I
Speaker 4: am anymore.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I feel like before I used to really use it
Speaker 4: as a way to like get a bit of an
Speaker 4: ego hit because I got to prove my worth and
Speaker 4: like what I was capable of through that job, and
Speaker 4: a lot of that was like wanting to prove even
Speaker 4: to my dad that I was capable.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: He had like he's got four girls, right, and like
Speaker 4: who's going to take over the family business?
Speaker 3: His son was like the last child, so he was always.
Speaker 4: Younger, so like, oh, we'll take on the family business,
Speaker 4: like even though we're girls.
Speaker 3: And it was like this proving energy. But I did
Speaker 3: get a lot out of it, so I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 2: Probably something I haven't really spoken about up until recently,
Speaker 2: and then I'm actually like why the fuck do I care?
Speaker 2: Is when I broke up with my first boyfriends. I
Speaker 2: must have been eighteen. I worked behind bars in wa
Speaker 2: and what they call a skimpy bar maids, So you
Speaker 2: just wear like a skimpy outfit and they give you
Speaker 2: tips and you make bank working.
Speaker 4: By a bar.
Speaker 2: And I used to carry shame for it.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the girls at Sin City and Bedroom, which is
Speaker 2: two of the big nightclubs on the Gold Coast, we
Speaker 2: we wore more clothes than the girls than the Gold
Speaker 2: Coast do. Yeah, like they were literally in bras and undies. Bedroom, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Bedroom nightclub. But yeah, me and a bunch of girlfriends
Speaker 2: went over there and it was just staying on the
Speaker 2: Gold Coast. I kept going back to my ex, even
Speaker 2: though I knew I didn't want to be with him.
Speaker 2: It was just company and I just could watch his
Speaker 2: heartbreak every time I would go in and come out
Speaker 2: and go in and come out. So I just packed
Speaker 2: up and moved over there with a bunch of girlfriends
Speaker 2: and I had a lot of guy friends over there
Speaker 2: that worked in the mines. And I spent about six
Speaker 2: months working over there, making an absolute killing, And then
Speaker 2: met Steve online and came back to meet him and
Speaker 2: met him and never went back so yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a crazy time in my life. It was really fun
Speaker 2: and it was fun just to it didn't work that
Speaker 2: many hours, worked like twenty hours a week and make
Speaker 2: ten twenty grand.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're just men over there, just.
Speaker 2: Tipped like crazy. Yeah. I was never a topless waiter yeah,
Speaker 2: or topless bar girl. There was the pub that I
Speaker 2: worked out, and then there was one next to it
Speaker 2: with their topless girls were I never did that. I
Speaker 2: just didn't have the confidence too. But yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was a cool time in my life. Fun different
Speaker 2: be out at home and just make make bank. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a lots of holidays. Took my friends on holidays,
Speaker 2: paid off some bills. I think because I never took
Speaker 2: my top off and I was never a flirty bar made.
Speaker 2: I was more the guy's mates. I got tipped a
Speaker 2: lot better than a lot of the other girls because
Speaker 2: I was quite friends with them, and I also felt
Speaker 2: really protected, Like I think it's quite a dangerous job
Speaker 2: for girls, like if you don't have people there, whereas
Speaker 2: I had a lot of guy friends there that were
Speaker 2: protecting me. So I would get dropped off and picked
Speaker 2: up every shift, whereas a lot of girls would stay
Speaker 2: upstairs in the bar, or like walk home, and there
Speaker 2: was some stuff that happened to a lot of women,
Speaker 2: but I always felt I was just friends with everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 2: So I haven't really ever spoken about that because it
Speaker 2: was embarrassed now and every now and again because you
Speaker 2: have to have a different name. So my name was
Speaker 2: Pam over their pants bring now and again or do
Speaker 2: a Q and A and someone will write how you
Speaker 2: go on Pam, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, duge it, Oh my god, I.
Speaker 2: Come hide from that. Yeah, but now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: why do I care so much? It was actually like, yeah,
Speaker 2: sixteen years and it's just a little chapter. So what's
Speaker 2: the most you've ever been paid for a social media post?
Speaker 2: One singular post is fifteen thousand dollars, it's most have
Speaker 2: been paid. My average was like ten thousand consistently, and
Speaker 2: then it depends if you go now it's like real
Speaker 2: story set stories are now one set can be three frames,
Speaker 2: another set can be five frames. TikTok, I don't really
Speaker 2: get paid on tikto. I don't get any jobs book
Speaker 2: for TikTok, but Instagram and Snapchat. Yeah, my biggest was
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars. Wow, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Would you rather be rich and ugly or poor and hot?
Speaker 3: Wait, richie reach ugly or poor and hot richie ugly
Speaker 3: because ugly don't get worked done.
Speaker 2: I'll go visit botox stuffy.
Speaker 3: Flip it's so good. Yeah, which and ugly for sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like just a funner life. If you had
Speaker 2: more money, you're poor, you can't do anything. You're hotter
Speaker 2: when you got.
Speaker 4: Well, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, have you seen Jeff bezos is with that
Speaker 3: younger girl?
Speaker 4: Now he's what's the name she just went to space
Speaker 4: Lauren Sanchez or something like that. I only just saw
Speaker 4: it on Instagram the other day. But he was previously
Speaker 4: with his other wife that he'd been with for forever
Speaker 4: and then they had a divorce how to split? And
Speaker 4: now he's with like some young woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. So I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 1: Who's the most famous person you have in your phone?
Speaker 3: Ash?
Speaker 2: I think I have anyone famous in my phone? He's
Speaker 2: not that roll. No, but Brian Reeves who went viral
Speaker 2: on social media for a while. He was my relationship coach.
Speaker 2: Otherwise not I think. So I've known someone that's had
Speaker 2: sex with Channing Tatum. Cool.
Speaker 3: Katie loves it. She's nodding and Si I loved her
Speaker 3: and she told me. I'm like, oh my god, yeah
Speaker 3: that's cool.
Speaker 2: Did she see her me an yeah multiple times?
Speaker 1: And then what happened?
Speaker 2: It just went off? And did his career in life?
Speaker 2: Was it before he was famous, no more recent after
Speaker 2: his divorce with Jenna.
Speaker 1: That's all my questions