Speaker 1: I'll get to him. I hope you're bloody terrific. No,
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Speaker 1: So there's that. Anyway, if you're ready to stop fucking
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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another in storm in
Speaker 1: the show, it's bloody. It's bloody, Jody Richardson, it's the doc.
Speaker 1: It's the coin of anxiety. You know, that's not a
Speaker 1: good label. It's the coint of educating people and informing
Speaker 1: and inspiring and helping people around their challenges.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, it's great to be back.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you all right? Are things good over
Speaker 1: there on planet Jodi?
Speaker 2: They are? They are. I'm sort of semi kind of
Speaker 2: taking it easy with the kids on school holidays and
Speaker 2: doing a lot of Uber driving for teenagers, but also
Speaker 2: fitting in my fitness and some work. It's good. It's
Speaker 2: been nice. It's been really good.
Speaker 1: And you and I were talking just before we went live,
Speaker 1: as the kids say in the media, and you start
Speaker 1: to tell me something. I don't tell me, don't tell me,
Speaker 1: don't tell me. Let's talk about it. Are you okay
Speaker 1: to talk about it on air? Because it's not really
Speaker 1: what we normally talk about, but we can generally go
Speaker 1: wherever we want. But you were telling me that you've
Speaker 1: changed your diet a bit. What are you doing and
Speaker 1: why are you doing it? And let's chat about it.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I am feeling the best I have felt
Speaker 2: in so long, and honestly, what I've done the change
Speaker 2: is that I saw a nutritionist and somebody who came
Speaker 2: really highly recommended and names Allie t in Mana Liza
Speaker 2: shout out to Alie. She's amazing. And the reason I
Speaker 2: wanted to see Allie was because I want to supplement
Speaker 2: with like pre workout protein. I also want to really
Speaker 2: make sure I'm hitting all my nutrient targets. But mostly
Speaker 2: I just wanted to change how I was feeling. And
Speaker 2: she was so good. Anyway, the biggest change is that
Speaker 2: I wasn't eating nearly enough food, and I have changed
Speaker 2: my diet so that I hit at least one hundred
Speaker 2: grams of protein every single day. And this is the
Speaker 2: eighth day, and I'm feeling so good.
Speaker 1: All right, So many questions. Great, let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: If we happen to talk about food all day, that's cool.
Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody, as I always say, asterisk disclaim,
Speaker 1: and none of this is personal recommendation or advice. This
Speaker 1: is just doctor JODI's story and thoughts and mine too.
Speaker 1: So one hundred grams. Now, I'm not going to ask
Speaker 1: you what you weigh, but I'm guessing that for you,
Speaker 1: because we don't do that, Dr Jody, I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know what I weigh. I couldn't even tell
Speaker 2: you if you ask me.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I would be guessing that for you. One
Speaker 1: hundred grams of protein would be somewhere in the ballpark
Speaker 1: of one point six grams of protein per kilo of
Speaker 1: body weight, right, which is.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so yes, yeah, which is double the RDI.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not a fan of the RDI everyone,
Speaker 1: So I think the RDA is for a range of reasons,
Speaker 1: somewhere between okay advice depending on the person and terrible
Speaker 1: advice depending on the person, because there are so many
Speaker 1: variables around what an individual needs. So when we say
Speaker 1: the obviously our dia everyone is recommended daily intake point
Speaker 1: eight of a gram per kilo of body weight means this.
Speaker 1: It means if you're a sixty kilod lady, based on
Speaker 1: point eightive gram of protein per kilogram of body weight
Speaker 1: that you have, you would consume about forty eight grams
Speaker 1: of protein a day, which is not very much. And
Speaker 1: Jody's just told that she's having one hundred. So's that's
Speaker 1: you somewhere in the ballpark. Not quite, but it's been
Speaker 1: the ballpark of nearly well, no, about double the recommendation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how are you feeling? What kind of protein are
Speaker 1: you using? Is it all food? Is there a supplement?
Speaker 1: Do tell?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, I'm feeling amazing. And one of the things
Speaker 2: I was really struggling with as a woman who is
Speaker 2: fifty soon to be fifty one, I've been had hormonal
Speaker 2: changes that have obviously changed my body shape and my
Speaker 2: fat body fat composition, and it's an adjustment Craig. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it is an adjustment because you know, we grow up
Speaker 2: with all of these ideals, and I mean I grew
Speaker 2: up with Kate moss is a you know, one of
Speaker 2: the models in Vogue when I was sort of like
Speaker 2: really impressionable, and obviously she was anorexic or sorry, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't say, that's a huge assumption, but she looked skeletal.
Speaker 1: That was No, I think that's pretty established. So we
Speaker 1: could be wrong everybody, but I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're being offensive there, So I.
Speaker 2: Don't mean to be. And I know anorexia is a
Speaker 2: mental health ill, a mental health challenge that is incredibly difficult,
Speaker 2: and so sorry if I offended anybody, but just I
Speaker 2: think just that that very very thin ideal. And so
Speaker 2: I was fasting for a long time. I had fasted
Speaker 2: two days a week. I've done the five to two
Speaker 2: and so on the days I would fast, I would
Speaker 2: eat only five hundred calories for the whole day, that's
Speaker 2: from waking up to going to bed.
Speaker 1: When like, do you mean recently you were doing this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you surprised because we hadn't talked about it.
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that I was doing it?
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you were doing that, and yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't feel fucking terrible.
Speaker 2: That was becoming the problem because I'd fast on a
Speaker 2: day I wasn't training a CrossFit, and but then i'd
Speaker 2: front up to train the next day. I just didn't
Speaker 2: have any energy. I mean, I would eat before I went.
Speaker 2: But even though Craig it was it was working for
Speaker 2: me because it was keeping my body fat down. And
Speaker 2: so but is.
Speaker 1: It like his that's a really good thing.
Speaker 2: Is it working for me? It wasn't really working for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, well they f our only metric is keeping your
Speaker 1: body fat down. Well, let's talk about immune health, let's
Speaker 1: talk about energy, let's talk about muscle mass, coletal health.
Speaker 1: That's like, there are so many you go, it was
Speaker 1: working for me, not really, Joe, really really by one
Speaker 1: measure perhaps yeah, oh yeah, all right. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: you met with Ali and Ali went eat some more protein. Yep.
Speaker 2: Alie was like, and what else are you eating? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, and that's kind of it. And she was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: no judgment, absolutely, no judgment, just like, oh wow, We've
Speaker 2: got so much room for improvement here. And so, I mean,
Speaker 2: I've never dieted. I understand how they don't work. I'm
Speaker 2: never ever died in my life. But what's brilliant is
Speaker 2: that And I do understand that when we don't eat
Speaker 2: enough calories, our bodies start to hold on to the
Speaker 2: fat that we have in storage, because the body is saying,
Speaker 2: when am I getting fed? Next? Women, we need more
Speaker 2: body fat than men is you know, just to sort
Speaker 2: of maintain you know, homeostasis, I suppose you could say, and.
Speaker 1: And also hormonal health like women that get you know,
Speaker 1: we know that girls that get to to lean become
Speaker 1: a menohec. You know, they stop menstriting, and that's bad.
Speaker 1: And and so it's it's like a certain level of
Speaker 1: higher body fat within reason has a positive function.
Speaker 2: Definitely especially reproductively as well, which is obviously we behind
Speaker 2: me now.
Speaker 1: Never know.
Speaker 2: I do know that that shop is shut. Yeah, but yes,
Speaker 2: I just thought I need to do something I really
Speaker 2: want to. Like, I know, I'm hitting hitting my goals
Speaker 2: with when it comes to strength training and lifting and
Speaker 2: bone health. But I wasn't very much plataued. I wasn't
Speaker 2: sort of really kind of building all my strength. I
Speaker 2: was very tired, and so my mental health was still
Speaker 2: very good. But yes, so basically the day after seeing Ali,
Speaker 2: I kind of brought in a little bit more protein,
Speaker 2: but I had to go and shop and plan a
Speaker 2: little bit more and you know, set myself up. And
Speaker 2: then I have just been keeping a note of every
Speaker 2: day what I've been eating in terms of protein. So
Speaker 2: all I'm sort of adding up each day is am
Speaker 2: I getting one hundred grams of protein? And she said,
Speaker 2: the big focus for me, and obviously it's different for everyone,
Speaker 2: is just making sure I get the protein but also
Speaker 2: plenty of fiber as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the well that's good. And so eight
Speaker 1: days in you feel better, right or nine days or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is, I feel amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, you don't need to be a
Speaker 1: dietitian or an exercise physiologist like you are, or you
Speaker 1: know whatever to know that your body will respond differently
Speaker 1: to other people's bodies. Everybody's body responds somewhat differently given
Speaker 1: the exact same stimuli and the exact same variables the
Speaker 1: same way, We're not going to see the same physiological
Speaker 1: outcomes across the board. Because everybody's different, of course, But
Speaker 1: what is great is your body is always telling you something,
Speaker 1: talking to you, trying to teach you. But because we are,
Speaker 1: and I'm put up my hand like if I'm being
Speaker 1: one hundred percent real, raw vulnerable, do I still have
Speaker 1: body issues?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: They're not overwhelming, they're not crippling. But do I ever
Speaker 1: overthink what I look like? Fucking oath? I still do
Speaker 1: when I'm a sixty one year old fucking idiot. Right,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't it doesn't keep me awake at night,
Speaker 1: and it's not something that impacts my life negatively. But
Speaker 1: one of the things, like is the irony is when
Speaker 1: it comes to our body and food and exercise and
Speaker 1: appearance and what we look like and what we think
Speaker 1: others think we look like. And you know, it's so
Speaker 1: that physiological stuff is so intertwined with the psychological and
Speaker 1: emotional and sociological right, and so it's so easy to
Speaker 1: become emotional about things like food, where despite the fact
Speaker 1: that you intellectually understand something, you're emotionally uncomfortable to do it.
Speaker 1: So fuck it, I'm doing what's comfortable and then and
Speaker 1: I've done it probably more than you've done it, But
Speaker 1: is then you make, you know, decisions that kind of
Speaker 1: make you comfortable, but ultimately they're irrational and they don't
Speaker 1: make sense because when you look at the data, which
Speaker 1: is you know, oh, I feel like shit, I've got
Speaker 1: no energy when I train, I'm fucked halfway through the session,
Speaker 1: or my brain's not working. I can't focus, I can't
Speaker 1: think at two o'clock, I want to fall asleep. All
Speaker 1: of this, you know, we can call this data and
Speaker 1: equals one data. But in the middle of that is
Speaker 1: fear and anxiety and but what if this? And what
Speaker 1: if I gain fat? And then people won't love me
Speaker 1: and I can't belong to this group and how could
Speaker 1: I go to the beach? And all this myriad of
Speaker 1: bullshit right, which is just human. Yeah, that is why
Speaker 1: it is great to have an alley or a someone
Speaker 1: who isn't you, because they can have a level of
Speaker 1: objectivity about you that you can never have because you
Speaker 1: fucking are you. So this is why conversations like this,
Speaker 1: even with people like you and me, who we might
Speaker 1: say we're somewhat educated. You're more educated than me, but
Speaker 1: we're somewhat educated. But just being smart or having education
Speaker 1: or having written books or having podcasts like you and
Speaker 1: I have done all of that. Shit doesn't mean we're
Speaker 1: not going to make dumb decisions or be emotional, or
Speaker 1: be reactive or produce bad outcomes, right.
Speaker 2: Exactly so true, And you know it's it's it feels
Speaker 2: like a little bit embarrassing in a way because I
Speaker 2: sort of think, well, Jody, you know better, but knowing
Speaker 2: something and being able to action it, like you just
Speaker 2: said so eloquently to very different things. And also you're
Speaker 2: sharing about like the way. I mean, I think I'm
Speaker 2: assuming here making a generalization, but I think you'd be
Speaker 2: hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't assess themselves and
Speaker 2: how they look and think about it, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's a part of life, Like how we feel about
Speaker 2: the way we look has a big bearing on how
Speaker 2: we kind of feel about ourselves. And it's and it
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want it to be that way
Speaker 2: because we know that, you know, body shapes change and
Speaker 2: looks fade, and we age and we're lucky if we do.
Speaker 2: But it's a part of life. I think it's a
Speaker 2: part of life. And I don't think you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know people who are ten fifteen years older than you,
Speaker 2: Craig who it's still a part of everyday's kind of reflection.
Speaker 2: How am I feeling about how I'm looking? And I
Speaker 2: somewhat sometime a guy, I sort of went more from
Speaker 2: the point of view of what are the aesthetics here?
Speaker 2: To how healthy am I? And how am I functioning?
Speaker 2: But the aesthetics still come into it. But I grew up,
Speaker 2: I was so I was so thin, Craig, I grew up.
Speaker 2: I think I was like fifty six kilos for probably
Speaker 2: up until gosh, nearly thirty. I mean, I lost a
Speaker 2: lot of weight when I went through depression. And even
Speaker 2: I'm an ectomorphic kind of you know, body type and
Speaker 2: hard to put on muscle, but always had exercised. But
Speaker 2: you know, when you're someone like me, just in my
Speaker 2: end of one, and I used to I mean I
Speaker 2: used to just binge on, not binge like I'd never
Speaker 2: had an eating disorder, but just like I could eat
Speaker 2: a whole family sized block of gabri derium milk no problems,
Speaker 2: and I could get away with it because from the
Speaker 2: point of view that I didn't put weight on. And
Speaker 2: then as you start getting old and you have kids
Speaker 2: in your body shape changes, and then now menopause, you
Speaker 2: no like it's you can't help but look at yourself
Speaker 2: and think, gosh, I'm so different and it's an adjustment,
Speaker 2: and I want to be so healthy. I want to
Speaker 2: be so functionally healthy like my dad is the exact
Speaker 2: opposite of that. My mum's super functional and healthy and
Speaker 2: she's about to do another Camino, which is amazing. Shout
Speaker 2: out to mum. But yeah, I just sort of thought,
Speaker 2: you know, what if not now when I am on
Speaker 2: the go, I'm juggling a business, family life, my own exercise.
Speaker 2: I was snacking a lot. I knew I wasn't nourishing myself.
Speaker 2: It wasn't being a good pescatarian from the point of
Speaker 2: view of having all of the food groups and legumes
Speaker 2: and things like that. And some nights i'd you know,
Speaker 2: cook my family and meal and just eat the vegetables,
Speaker 2: you know, not not bother. So yeah, like you, because
Speaker 2: you know, we could all get on chat JPT, we
Speaker 2: could all google. You know, it's not hard to find information.
Speaker 2: And you've said this before. People know how to lose weight,
Speaker 2: you know, move more, even more nourishing diet, you know,
Speaker 2: but it's one thing to know it. It's another thing,
Speaker 2: like you say, to have someone in your corner who
Speaker 2: understands your exact where are you, what are you doing,
Speaker 2: why are you doing it? What do you need and
Speaker 2: can tailor something to help you get there. It's just
Speaker 2: it's just been gold like, so good, well.
Speaker 1: Go you I you know, I think for some people,
Speaker 1: for most of us really, if we pay attention, the
Speaker 1: ongoing challenge is how do I optimally or close to
Speaker 1: optimally manage me? And by me I mean my mind
Speaker 1: and my body and my emotions and my job and
Speaker 1: my relationships and my sleep and my energy and my
Speaker 1: money and like the biggest you know. That's why this
Speaker 1: show is called that You Project, because the biggest project
Speaker 1: in your life, despite the myriad of things you have
Speaker 1: to attend to, the ultimate project is going to be
Speaker 1: yourself because if you can't self regulate and self manage,
Speaker 1: then you're not going to be great at anything else,
Speaker 1: because you're starting every day at a three out of ten, right,
Speaker 1: And so it's not about being self absorbed or self obsessed,
Speaker 1: but rather self aware, you know, And like I think
Speaker 1: this very often spoken about concept here on The You
Speaker 1: Project of biofeedback. That is, your body is always talking
Speaker 1: to you or telling you something. And I've said this,
Speaker 1: I actually have a little bit of mildly interesting news.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, in pursuant to this conversation, your.
Speaker 2: Honor, but oh look, listen to this academic language. I'm
Speaker 2: loving it.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, if I was doing law, you know, but
Speaker 1: so when when? So my kind of walking around weight
Speaker 1: for most of the last thirty years has been eighty
Speaker 1: five kilos, right, and I'm five for ten, and I've
Speaker 1: got a bit of muscles. So it's not like I'm
Speaker 1: real heavy or I'm real light. I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: in the Goldilock zone. I'm about like I've got I
Speaker 1: can still go and run five k's, I can still
Speaker 1: do a bunch of push ups, I can do some
Speaker 1: chin ups, I can lift moderate weight. I've got some
Speaker 1: I would think I've got pretty good bone density, I've
Speaker 1: got some muscles. So it's all good, right. But during COVID,
Speaker 1: you know, things changed. I moved less, I couldn't train,
Speaker 1: probably because the gyms were shut, and I I rocketed
Speaker 1: up to about I don't know, not I being facetious,
Speaker 1: but eighty seven or eighty eight, So I put on
Speaker 1: a few kilos, which for me was like it's not
Speaker 1: like quick all the cops, you know, but it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is not great. So I decided, and again sorry
Speaker 1: for my listeners, but I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but I decided, I'm just going to cut out lunch
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. So I'm just going to
Speaker 1: have breakfast and dinner. And the unintended byproduct of that
Speaker 1: was that the normal tiredness that I was getting later
Speaker 1: in the afternoon because I'm and then so that was
Speaker 1: you know, I was probably fifty five or fifty four,
Speaker 1: and I went out, well, I'm getting tired in the
Speaker 1: afternoon because I'm fifty five. I guess fifty five year
Speaker 1: olds get tired in the afternoon. And then I cut
Speaker 1: out lunch, and my energy was great all day and
Speaker 1: I lost the weight, and you know, like a week later,
Speaker 1: two weeks later, I'm back to about where I need
Speaker 1: to be, give or take. And I felt better and
Speaker 1: I was finding I wasn't getting hungry through the day,
Speaker 1: and my energy was better. But most importantly, like almost
Speaker 1: to a level that was un believable, my cognitive function
Speaker 1: was so much better like my brain. And you know,
Speaker 1: for you and me, our brain is a real for everyone,
Speaker 1: but especially when you're researching, studying like you, interviewing people,
Speaker 1: writing books, solving problems. I mean, for everyone, cognitive function
Speaker 1: is massive. But when you're up to your you know,
Speaker 1: eyeballs in a PhD and all that stuff, and so
Speaker 1: it was really important. So I went, well, fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to do this for a while and
Speaker 1: I'll just see how I go. So then my body
Speaker 1: kind of everything kind of adjusted. And then I just
Speaker 1: sat at about, you know again in eighty five, and
Speaker 1: I probably had a little bit bigger dinner, but I
Speaker 1: would eat, you know that, I'd have a meal and
Speaker 1: then twelve hours than a meal, and so I literally
Speaker 1: ate every twelve hours and I felt good. And then
Speaker 1: about five months ago, my an alarm went on my
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told you this alarm went
Speaker 1: on my phone basically telling me, you need to walk more. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: And so I started walking more and I started the
Speaker 1: next day. I tripled my steps. In it, I went
Speaker 1: from one day to the next tripled my steps, and
Speaker 1: my steps have stayed about give or take tripled. I
Speaker 1: think I average about twelve thirteen thousand a days. Some
Speaker 1: days it's you know, it's a lazy day, it's ten
Speaker 1: and a half. If it's a normal day, it's twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen. It's a big day, it's twenty. But
Speaker 1: generally it's in the thirteen ballpark. And I've really started
Speaker 1: to train better and just just tot like all the
Speaker 1: what you call in footy, the one percent is right
Speaker 1: without becoming obsessed, Like I still eat, like my breakfast
Speaker 1: is a big calorie breakfast, Like it's got seeds and
Speaker 1: nuts and protein powder and oats, and like my breakfast
Speaker 1: would be at least eight hundred calories, like it's a
Speaker 1: big and my dinner would be more right. So it's
Speaker 1: not like I'm starving, but there's twelve hours, constant, twelve
Speaker 1: hour cycles where I'm eating nothing. Right Anyway, yesterday morning
Speaker 1: and I noticed that I'm leaner, and when I train,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I look bigger, but I'm not bigger. But
Speaker 1: you know when you reduce body fat and then you
Speaker 1: must kind of and I went, I wonder what I
Speaker 1: weigh And I got on the scales yesterday and I
Speaker 1: was eighty one. Really yeah, like I was eighty one.
Speaker 1: I was four kilos but I only weighed myself twice
Speaker 1: a year if fat right, Yeah, And I went, oh
Speaker 1: and no, wonder I feel different. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think this is I think this is my new number
Speaker 1: because I feel so fucking good. And also I shut
Speaker 1: up after this, so like you, a bit more protein,
Speaker 1: a bit less carbs. I'm not anti carbs everyone, so
Speaker 1: don't panic. But for me, it's got to be the
Speaker 1: right kind. Taking creatine, which I've spoken about ten grams
Speaker 1: a day I think, called trimethyl glysine, which is a supplement,
Speaker 1: and a thing called NMN, which is basically a eutropic
Speaker 1: or a cognitive enhancer. They're the only Oh and some
Speaker 1: of that you know, like the vital green stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So because I don't need heaps of veggies, I
Speaker 1: eat veggies, but I don't have probably enough, and I
Speaker 1: don't eat fruits. So every day I'm having one of
Speaker 1: those horrible green, shaky drinks that taste like kaka but
Speaker 1: they're awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like you, I feel right now
Speaker 3: the best I've felt in a long time, like a
Speaker 3: long time. It's so good to be able to say
Speaker 3: that and just like to me, it was kind of
Speaker 3: like for you, you're kind of like, well, I'm going
Speaker 3: to give this a go and see what happens, see
Speaker 3: how I feel.
Speaker 2: Had you not felt great, you would have made a change.
Speaker 2: And that biofeedback you were talking about before, it's so important.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I also want to say is
Speaker 2: it's really like that works for you. Yeah, what I mean,
Speaker 2: it remains to be seen. If I mean, what I'm
Speaker 2: doing is making me feel great, I unfortunately am so
Speaker 2: full all day that I haven't even She wants me
Speaker 2: to eat an orange a day, and I haven't even
Speaker 2: been able to because I haven't been able to fit
Speaker 2: it in. But I think that one of the things
Speaker 2: that you're saying here is that it's so important just
Speaker 2: to know how you are responding to the changes that
Speaker 2: you are making. There's no blanket rule for anybody about
Speaker 2: what to do when it comes to these kind of
Speaker 2: nutritional adjustments. But I mean, there are some foundational things
Speaker 2: we really need to be paying attention to, which you are.
Speaker 2: You've got your greens, you've got your protein, good quality
Speaker 2: complex carbohydrates, hopefully some good fats in there. You're getting
Speaker 2: you know, your nourishment. I know, I know you love
Speaker 2: your almonds, you know. But I think another thing too,
Speaker 2: is that what's really interesting for women is that what
Speaker 2: works for men and what works for women is different.
Speaker 2: And we need to like we need to wake up
Speaker 2: and eat, and it's very easy to I mean on
Speaker 2: a day that I'm not training. I mean, gosh, when
Speaker 2: I was fasting two days a week, I would delay
Speaker 2: having anything for as long as possible because it was
Speaker 2: kind of like, once I woke up, my stomach it
Speaker 2: was like a hungry monster that wanted feeding. So if
Speaker 2: I could just delay, delay, delay, and I was just
Speaker 2: probably eating into so much muscle and my body fat
Speaker 2: was being held on to, like you know, my body's
Speaker 2: like you're not letting go of the fat. You can
Speaker 2: have the muscle. But yeah, I think it's really good
Speaker 2: that we can kind of talk about these these changes
Speaker 2: and think about it kind of in response and think
Speaker 2: about it from the point of view. I'm going to
Speaker 2: do this. I'm going to see how I feel. I'm
Speaker 2: going to see how I feel about how my body
Speaker 2: composition changes. The weight on the scale, I mean, we've
Speaker 2: never had scales. I don't know what I weigh I'm
Speaker 2: probably the heaviest other than being pregnant, I'm probably I'm
Speaker 2: guessing I'm somewhere between sixty five and sixty eight. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But we talked about the waste measurement when
Speaker 2: I was with Ali. She we talked about the wasste
Speaker 2: measurement being eighty or less for me one hundred or
Speaker 2: less at the smallest part of the waist, just to
Speaker 2: kind of keep an eye on that bellly fat that
Speaker 2: can creep on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's Look, it's fascinating. And you think,
Speaker 1: like on top of the food, on top of the excise,
Speaker 1: on top of the you know, changing endocrime system for
Speaker 1: the different stages and phases, and then you chuck in
Speaker 1: this other variable which might be the most important, which
Speaker 1: is sleep.
Speaker 2: You were going to say that, Yeah, like wow.
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, and that's the other thing that I've
Speaker 1: really concentrated on. And I know everybody, don't don't send
Speaker 1: me a message because I know I'm privileged and not
Speaker 1: everybody can do what I do. But I've been going
Speaker 1: to bed at eight o'clock, and I would say every night,
Speaker 1: I would say, for the last seven nights, I'm asleep
Speaker 1: at nine in the morning five six, like I'm getting
Speaker 1: every night rock solid eight sometimes nine and not once
Speaker 1: in every three or four nights, like nights in a row.
Speaker 1: I tell you, I I feel like I'm on all
Speaker 1: the steroids. I don't know what that would make if
Speaker 1: you feel like that's probably a bad analogy, but but
Speaker 1: I feel fucking I'm on the best vitamin of all time.
Speaker 1: And like the other tweaks and adjustments, the weight loss,
Speaker 1: caring for kilos less, having a bit less body fat,
Speaker 1: and what I'm else I'm starting to do is I'm
Speaker 1: starting to train all the ship that I've never trained,
Speaker 1: Like well, okay, let me let me clarify that not
Speaker 1: trained enough, so we'll come back. But here's what I
Speaker 1: can tell you this is this is really interesting. So evolutionarily,
Speaker 1: back in the day, for most of the kind of
Speaker 1: modern you know, modern human development and evolution, we've always
Speaker 1: eaten food that required a lot of chewing. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't anymore, like not, I mean some of us. But
Speaker 1: a lot of food that a lot of people eat
Speaker 1: is essentially mush or it doesn't require much work, and
Speaker 1: so a lot of the strength and musculature that we
Speaker 1: had through the jaw that's that's gone, and it's it's
Speaker 1: even I watched this interesting little mini doco yesterday on
Speaker 1: how it's fucked up the way people's teeth are now
Speaker 1: because ouraw used to be bigger and stronger and now
Speaker 1: it's become over time weaker and smaller, and the teeth
Speaker 1: can't fit in. So we're seeing a lot of people
Speaker 1: having problems with their teeth because of this diminishing size
Speaker 1: of the jaw and all this stuff. But also like,
Speaker 1: for example, my chest is really strong, my back is
Speaker 1: really strong, my arms are really strong, but my neck
Speaker 1: is not. So you have this weak link. So it
Speaker 1: compared to the average neck, it's probably fine, but compared
Speaker 1: to the rest of my body, Like if the rest
Speaker 1: of my body is eight out of ten for my potential,
Speaker 1: my neck is fucking three. So what happens is and
Speaker 1: this is getting very specific. So and you're an exose phusiologist,
Speaker 1: you completely get this as well or better than me.
Speaker 1: But you know, we sit in this forward head posture
Speaker 1: where now we've got our neck flexaws, like our Sterno
Speaker 1: Clyde mastoid SCM underload and shortened and tightened, and the
Speaker 1: muscles at the back of the neck everyone, which we
Speaker 1: call neck extenses. They're now stretched and elongated, and over time,
Speaker 1: the muscles at the front become stronger and shorter, and
Speaker 1: the muscles at the back of the neck become weaker
Speaker 1: and longer, and then we end up with this fucking
Speaker 1: neanderthal head forward position. So our head's not in a
Speaker 1: neutral position back in our kind of center of mass,
Speaker 1: what we would call basically the middle of if we
Speaker 1: could divide our body exactly front to back in half
Speaker 1: with a weight or center of mass, our ears should
Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle. But if you have a
Speaker 1: look at a lot of kids, you haven't looked a
Speaker 1: lot of people on buses or in cars or anywhere
Speaker 1: that are looking at a screen or a computer or
Speaker 1: a phone or whatever. Most of them, and the kids
Speaker 1: in the gym even they're sitting on the bench or
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, and their head is sitting way forward
Speaker 1: of the rest of their body. So apart from all
Speaker 1: the neck problems, which are fucking prolific, every headache right
Speaker 1: and headaches, then you get the muscular churre just below that,
Speaker 1: in between the shoulder blades, and then you get people
Speaker 1: where because they're sitting in this forward, then this position.
Speaker 1: I'll shut up after this. But then their shoulders come forward,
Speaker 1: and then their peck muscles tighten, and then the muscles
Speaker 1: at the back, rhomboids, etc. They start to elongate and stretch,
Speaker 1: and now they have caiphosis. Now they have this hunchy
Speaker 1: back where their shoulders are forward, they're back in the
Speaker 1: thoracic region or shoulder braid blade region. Everyone is hunched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so posture is a real issue as well. So I've
Speaker 1: just been trying to fix everything. So I'm training my neck,
Speaker 1: front and back. I'm training my hamstrings, I'm training my glutes,
Speaker 1: my ass properly. Like my cords are stronger than my hamstrings,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of people. My upper back is
Speaker 1: stronger than my lower back, like a lot of dudes
Speaker 1: and girls who train in gym's, women and men who
Speaker 1: train in gym's have got like they train their upper
Speaker 1: back quite quite well their lower back sometimes not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you have these lats and rhomboids and rear adults
Speaker 1: that are eight nine out of ten, and then you
Speaker 1: have a lower back that is a two out of ten.
Speaker 1: So guess what you're going to injure.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, it's and you you talked about before
Speaker 2: about the one percentence, and I've often sort of thought like,
Speaker 2: we can't come at the one percent until we get
Speaker 2: like the bulk, the basics in place and posture, sleep,
Speaker 2: just moving like you've up your steps, you're thinking about
Speaker 2: your posture and kind of muscular musculo skeletal balance. You're
Speaker 2: prioritizing your sleep, which you know, I'm I heard the
Speaker 2: disclaimer before. I mean, gosh, anyone who's a new mum
Speaker 2: listening or a mum with little kids, goodness. Peter and I,
Speaker 2: Mahabby and I were just reflecting the other day about
Speaker 2: how many times and night or a week our daughter
Speaker 2: would wake I've had a bad dream, and then I'd
Speaker 2: go and you know, it's such disjointed sleep. It's really tough.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when we can stop because it's easy to
Speaker 2: go and buy a taber crea teine, it's easy to
Speaker 2: go and buy a protein powder, But none of that
Speaker 2: is going to make as much of a difference to
Speaker 2: how you feel, how you move, and our longevity and
Speaker 2: our ability to sort of for this body to carry
Speaker 2: us through until you know, we're eighty ninety. If we're lucky,
Speaker 2: enough to be in good health if we don't take
Speaker 2: care of those things. And sleep is not something to
Speaker 2: be sacrificed. It's one of the biggest changes that we
Speaker 2: can make if some people need extra help with it,
Speaker 2: because stress, stress during the day that accumulates can really
Speaker 2: impact on sleep in the night. So it's not just
Speaker 2: about what's happening in the night, it's about what's happening
Speaker 2: kind of throughout, you know, the twenty four hour kind
Speaker 2: of period. But yeah, the posturals stuff like, especially with
Speaker 2: the way we're using devices. I don't you know. I
Speaker 2: saw a lady yesterday who must have had osteoporosis, where
Speaker 2: you know, the hunching starts and then the bones on
Speaker 2: the front of the vertebral columns start to kind of disintegrate,
Speaker 2: and then that and then oh gosh, you look at
Speaker 2: that and you think, right, stand up straight. I have
Speaker 2: this thing that I try to remember, which is I've
Speaker 2: made up this little kind of memorable way to remind myself,
Speaker 2: you know, the stop drop and roll that you do
Speaker 2: when there's smoke in the house. I tell myself stop scrunching,
Speaker 2: so I like sort of lift up my shoulders to
Speaker 2: my ears, so I'm stopping that. So I think about
Speaker 2: a scrunch and then a drop and then a roll,
Speaker 2: and obviously you can see me, Craig, but I'm just
Speaker 2: lifting up my shoulders, dropping them down, and then calling
Speaker 2: them back to kind of reposition and reset, just because
Speaker 2: I think I'm a bit prone to that. And my
Speaker 2: mum started with a bit of cayphosis and a bit
Speaker 2: of osteoporosis, and I'm like, ah, we don't. There's so
Speaker 2: much we can't undo once some dominoes have fallen, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot we can do. You know, the best
Speaker 2: time is twenty years ago. The second best time is now.
Speaker 2: As the saying goes, yeah, yeah, do.
Speaker 1: You know what I reckon? It's another great idea that
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I've might have suggested this
Speaker 1: once in seven years, I'm writing it down. Getting yourself
Speaker 1: a fitball. And so for our listeners who don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just those big exercise balls that
Speaker 1: are about I don't know, like a meter or nine
Speaker 1: hundred or eight hundred mil and they kind of annoy me,
Speaker 1: but that's just my personal bullshit. But they're actually really good,
Speaker 1: and so why they can be good is because you
Speaker 1: can literally use them as a chair, so you can
Speaker 1: sit on them. Not all the time necessarily. But the
Speaker 1: good thing about using something that's round sitting on something
Speaker 1: that's round is now you're on something that's unstable, which
Speaker 1: seems like a bad idea. Now, if you're my mum,
Speaker 1: maybe don't sit on a ball, right, But if you're
Speaker 1: relatively operational and you just want to activate the muscles
Speaker 1: around your waist more, you know, your stomach muscles, your
Speaker 1: lower back muscles transversu subdominus rectus rector subdominus blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and spine erecta, the muscles in your lower back. Sitting
Speaker 1: on something that's unstable means you're going to use your
Speaker 1: stabilizing muscles, which is great, and it also means, if
Speaker 1: you do it properly, you're going to sit up straight,
Speaker 1: because otherwise it's really uncomfortable. Right. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing you can do is, and I've got one downstairs.
Speaker 1: I just I'll in my studio, not where I'm at
Speaker 1: currently in my office, but I will push the ball
Speaker 1: back and then I get on my back. So now
Speaker 1: the ball is in the middle of my shoulder blades.
Speaker 1: I put my arms up in the air Superman style,
Speaker 1: and I take them back over the ball. Now, everyone,
Speaker 1: when you're in that position, when you're lying backwards over
Speaker 1: the ball and your arms are straight above your head
Speaker 1: so to speak, and I mean horizontal to the floor,
Speaker 1: not vertical to the floor. But so now you're in
Speaker 1: almost like that Superman position with your arms above your head,
Speaker 1: hands together. Now you're in what's called thoracic extension, which
Speaker 1: is just extending those muscles between the vertebrae, between the
Speaker 1: spine or the shoulder blades in that area that normally
Speaker 1: get very kind of curved forward in what we call flexion.
Speaker 1: And just getting in that position for like a minute,
Speaker 1: three four, five times a day, it's like just joy
Speaker 1: for your back, you know. So having a you know,
Speaker 1: go and spending fifty bucks on a ball that's probably
Speaker 1: going to last you the next ten years not the
Speaker 1: worst investment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't dig it out of My mother in law's
Speaker 2: got one, and my daughter spotted it and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: Ingrid's got a football in a shd. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: let's get a new one.
Speaker 1: Because they have been known to pop.
Speaker 2: Yes they have, they have. Yeah, you're exactly right, just
Speaker 2: keeping that mobility, keeping that mobility through the back and
Speaker 2: through the shoulders, and just balance. A lot of us
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time at a desk, and yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's easy. You know, we really should be
Speaker 2: moving every twenty five minutes, every thirty minutes. We really
Speaker 2: should be getting up and walking. I use a Pomodoro
Speaker 2: timer on occasion if I really need to knuckle down,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, right, I've got a few big things
Speaker 2: to get done, I'll just keep setting the top and
Speaker 2: then when it goes off, I usually get out, you know,
Speaker 2: working from home, I'll go and throw the ball for Dusty.
Speaker 2: Or I'll I mean, I shouldn't really be doing a
Speaker 2: load of washing during the day because it's such precious
Speaker 2: work time. Or I'll go for a little walk outside,
Speaker 2: touch a tree, check the chickens, just a little stretch,
Speaker 2: just to kind of rea. But other days I could
Speaker 2: be sitting there for three or four hours and not
Speaker 2: move and it's not good. It's not good. But if
Speaker 2: we've got something that helps us kind of get going,
Speaker 2: like the timer that goes off, that's that's helpful.
Speaker 1: And I think I think you're exactly right. We need to.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't need to do anything, but I
Speaker 1: think it's a good deer to build a routine and
Speaker 1: habits where, you know, like sometimes like I had straight
Speaker 1: before you, I finished two minutes before we got on there.
Speaker 1: I spent an hour with Bobby. Yeah, well maybe three
Speaker 1: minutes before. And in the three minutes, I did five
Speaker 1: flights of stairs because I just I just had to
Speaker 1: move my body, right, Yeah, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: sit here for two hours. Now when I finish with you,
Speaker 1: five minutes after I finish with you, I will be
Speaker 1: out the door and walking. And so even when I'm
Speaker 1: doing something like let's say I'm cooking my dinner and
Speaker 1: let's say I put it in the microwave and it's
Speaker 1: going to take five minutes, I'll literally walk out the
Speaker 1: side gate, which is ten meters from the microwave. I'll
Speaker 1: walk up the side street where I live. I live
Speaker 1: on a corner, so I walk up the side street.
Speaker 1: I'll walk two and a half minutes one way, two
Speaker 1: and a half minutes back. I get back, the buzzer goes,
Speaker 1: my dinner's ready, and I've just walked eight hundred meters
Speaker 1: or whatever I've done, right, or I'll do I'll do
Speaker 1: twenty squats and twenty push ups times four. Like it's
Speaker 1: just going, oh, I've got two minutes. I could do
Speaker 1: two minutes of something, and that it just becomes like
Speaker 1: I was saying, I was talking about this with Bobby
Speaker 1: and without getting too weird or too deep, too fast. Yesterday, okay,
Speaker 1: on Saturday, so we're recording this. Thursday, I had coffee
Speaker 1: with one of my best friends and he'd been feeling
Speaker 1: a little bit average, and he had some tests done
Speaker 1: and all this, and I said, when you find out
Speaker 1: about the test, he said, yesterday, I said, ring me.
Speaker 1: So he rings me, and he's got lung cancer right now. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing. But here's my thing. Like
Speaker 1: so many of us, and I know I bang on
Speaker 1: about this and people probably resent, and that's cool. Don't care.
Speaker 1: So many of us fucking wait until something breaks. Now
Speaker 1: obviously he couldn't control that. He doesn't even spoke. It's
Speaker 1: a different thing. But what I'm saying is there are
Speaker 1: so many things that we can do that don't require
Speaker 1: a gym membership. They don't require special clothing, they don't
Speaker 1: require any equipment in the garage. There are so many
Speaker 1: things that we can do that move the needle, and
Speaker 1: when we combine all of these little things, that creates
Speaker 1: a big impact. But not if we only do it
Speaker 1: for fucking three days, and not if we're always telling ourselves, Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't understand how hard my life is. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like we need to get because of course life's hard.
Speaker 1: Of course life's inconvenient, and of course the universe doesn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about you or your body fat, or
Speaker 1: your emotions or your hormones. And in the middle of
Speaker 1: all of that shit that doesn't care about you, you
Speaker 1: need to put on your big boy pants, your big
Speaker 1: girl pants, and go, fuck, this is what I need
Speaker 1: to do. Yes, you know, in your case menopause sucks. Yes,
Speaker 1: being sixty one year old bloke, it's not the So
Speaker 1: what you do is you go, well, I'm a fiftyish
Speaker 1: year old lady who's who's doing menopause, and I'm a
Speaker 1: sixty one year old bloke who's just doing fucking sixty one.
Speaker 1: But with that, okay, So with that, what's the best
Speaker 1: thing I can do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I do five push ups? Yes? Well? Are you
Speaker 1: doing five?
Speaker 2: No? Yeh?
Speaker 1: Can you get on a chin bar and just hold
Speaker 1: your body weight for twelve seconds. So do that. Can
Speaker 1: you eat a little bit less or can you increase
Speaker 1: your protein or can you go for six small walk?
Speaker 1: Can you walk five hundred meters three times a day,
Speaker 1: six times a day? Can you walk up and down
Speaker 1: the stairs more than you need to.
Speaker 2: Take the stairs, not the elevator.
Speaker 1: So many things that are in our control. And the
Speaker 1: truth is that most of the stuff that we need
Speaker 1: to do is it's going to be inconvenient. And that's okay,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: It is. Look, Pete and I got out for a
Speaker 2: walk with Dusty the other night and it was kind
Speaker 2: of dusk, and you know where we go locally, there's
Speaker 2: footy training and stuff on, lots of ovals and beautiful parks.
Speaker 2: We didn't go in the parts where I mean it
Speaker 2: was really dark by the time we got there, actually,
Speaker 2: but it would have been so easy. This is not
Speaker 2: something that we do as a regular We do our
Speaker 2: own exercise separate. You'll go for bike rides and play cricket.
Speaker 2: I'll go to the play basketball and do cross it,
Speaker 2: go for a walk, whatever. But I'm like, how about
Speaker 2: we try to do a bit more of this together
Speaker 2: and it would have been Oh my gosh. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have taken much convincing, you know, for me to go.
Speaker 2: I'm like, gosh, how about we go for a walk
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, cool. But if he had
Speaker 2: a said let's watch another episode of our program, I
Speaker 2: would have been on the couch so fast, because it's
Speaker 2: so much of what we do so comfy. But the
Speaker 2: bonus of it is I read somewhere somebody said you
Speaker 2: might not like it when you do it, but you
Speaker 2: like how it feels once you've finished. But in fact,
Speaker 2: actually once you get started, it's good. It's sometimes it's
Speaker 2: just that, you know, I love Mail Robins, you know
Speaker 2: you for me with Mail Robins five four three two one, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for any listener that's not familiar with it. She just
Speaker 2: came up with this idea that if you've got something
Speaker 2: you need to do, whether it's getting out of bed
Speaker 2: or going out for your walk, or drinking that vital
Speaker 2: Greens mush that you have to drink, you're going to want.
Speaker 2: You want to do it. You know what's good for you,
Speaker 2: Just go right five four three two one go. I've
Speaker 2: been doing that a bit. If I go for a
Speaker 2: swim with my friend down in the bay because we
Speaker 2: know we're going to go under, and you can stand
Speaker 2: there for ten minutes thinking about it, or you can
Speaker 2: just go five four, three to one, and once you've
Speaker 2: done it, it's just exhilarating. Yeah, it's that getting that momentum.
Speaker 2: It's just getting started. I know we've spoken about this
Speaker 2: before many times.
Speaker 1: M I wrote a thing the other day which is
Speaker 1: on Instagram everyone two days ago, and it's called doing
Speaker 1: what feels bad. We're all attracted to things that make
Speaker 1: us feel good, and of course none of us want
Speaker 1: to feel bad. But for what it's worth, life has
Speaker 1: taught me that sometimes I need to do the thing
Speaker 1: that in the moment doesn't feel good in order to
Speaker 1: do be and create the thing that is good. Conversely,
Speaker 1: some of the things that feel good in the moment,
Speaker 1: so many things can easily land me and you in
Speaker 1: a world of physical, psychological, and emotional hurt over the
Speaker 1: long term. And that's it. It's like, well, of course
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good because you're unfit, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's not a judgment, that's not hate, that's just going
Speaker 1: all right, well, right now I'm unfit, So this is
Speaker 1: going to suck. Yeah, of course, and that's okay. And
Speaker 1: it's like, well, of course you're terrified of doing that
Speaker 1: thing because you've never done it. But once you start,
Speaker 1: the terror will die down. You'll build skill and understanding
Speaker 1: and confidence and a bit of courage. It's like, not
Speaker 1: everything needs to be comfortable. We're so fucking addicted to
Speaker 1: and focused on and obsessed with comfort. Yeah, it's actually
Speaker 1: I think being preoccupied with comfort and convenience is a
Speaker 1: handbreak to your potential.
Speaker 2: Oh, couldn't agree more, could not agree more? And actually,
Speaker 2: one of the things when you doing something, I do this,
Speaker 2: and I really encourage you as a listener to think
Speaker 2: about this when you're actually doing it. You know the thing.
Speaker 2: Could it be the walk, Could it be starting some
Speaker 2: strength training, Could it be you know, taking the first
Speaker 2: step towards learning a new skill, piano art, something. When
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of it, this thing that is uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: just reflect, Just step out of yourself for a moment
Speaker 2: and just think what is it here that is unco Like,
Speaker 2: how is this uncomfortable? I often do that when I'm
Speaker 2: training Craig, when I'm across it, I'm like, what is
Speaker 2: holding me back here? What is so hard about this?
Speaker 2: Right now? And then I'm like, am I in pain? No?
Speaker 2: Can I catch my breath? Can I breathe? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 2: Am I tired?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: That's probably okay. Is this something that I can manage
Speaker 2: by the way I'm thinking about this? Yes, Because sometimes
Speaker 2: in the of the discomfort, we can just go, oh,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel good. But when you stop in
Speaker 2: it and you go, well, I'm uncomfortable, that in itself
Speaker 2: reduces the discomfort. But also going what is uncomfortable about this?
Speaker 2: I think can be really empowering because you're actually like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not in pain, like I'm not. You know, all
Speaker 2: the things you might have predicted might not be happening,
Speaker 2: or most of them, And when you land on that
Speaker 2: one thing that is uncomfortable, you're kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's what it is. What can I do about it? Something? Nothing?
Speaker 2: And then you go from there. But I think that
Speaker 2: reflection can often help you when you come back to
Speaker 2: it next time, to go, well, it's the thought of
Speaker 2: doing it, the thought of starting. As we know, it's
Speaker 2: like washing the windows at home. But what a gift
Speaker 2: if you've never exercised. Peter was telling me. A couple
Speaker 2: of his mates from high school have started. They were
Speaker 2: never playing sport, they weren't into exercise or engaging in
Speaker 2: any thing until now when they're late forties, early fifties,
Speaker 2: and they've got really good joints and they've got you know,
Speaker 2: they haven't got the wear and tear on their joints
Speaker 2: that many of us will have from a lifetime of
Speaker 2: doing things. And Craig, you and I both know when
Speaker 2: you start exercising, yes, it's hard, but the progress that
Speaker 2: you make relatively quickly compared to someone who's got training maturity,
Speaker 2: it's so rewarding, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Ah? And that yeah, and also it is I mean
Speaker 1: people don't like the physical change is great. Yeah, your
Speaker 1: blood blood pressure is lower, you lost a bit of fat,
Speaker 1: you're gained a bit of muscle. But it's when you
Speaker 1: realize that it also changes your emotional and psychological state,
Speaker 1: when you realize that it's actually a cognitive enhancer. It
Speaker 1: literally makes your It sounds like psychobabble, but it actually
Speaker 1: makes your brain work better, yeah, and operationally makes you smarter,
Speaker 1: like yeah, exactly. And it's but when you introduce any
Speaker 1: variable that you needed that you weren't kind of utilizing
Speaker 1: like for you. Okay, now, so you have probably been
Speaker 1: somewhat protein deficient for a long time. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: your body's like, oh god, fin It's like you've been
Speaker 1: breathing through half a nostril for three years. Now you've
Speaker 1: got both nostrils and your mouth and you're like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 1: Oxygen's good. You know. It's like, ah, this is what
Speaker 1: it's like to breathe, and your body's going, oh, thank God.
Speaker 1: Now I can build muscle. Now I can have more energy.
Speaker 1: Now I can recover optimally. Now all my everything can
Speaker 1: work better because I'm not starved of one of the
Speaker 1: most important macro nutrients. You know, it's only three and
Speaker 1: you're not giving me one of them, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know, I know, and it is.
Speaker 2: It is not hard to eat protein. It's actually I
Speaker 2: have not found it hard at all. And I'm a pescatarian,
Speaker 2: so it's harder for meat because I don't eat red
Speaker 2: meat and chicken. I eat fish, salmon, salmon, and tuna.
Speaker 2: Tuna is my best friend and I love tuna. And
Speaker 2: that was another thing I said to Alie. I've always
Speaker 2: been worried about eating too much tuna because I'm worried
Speaker 2: about mercury and heavy metals. And she's like, she said
Speaker 2: that the tinge tuna that we can purchase here is smaller.
Speaker 2: They're smaller fish, so it's and also and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I really love salmon, but I hate farmed salmon. And
Speaker 2: it's seventy five bucks a kilo for the wild caught
Speaker 2: salmon in New Zealand. And she said, you know you
Speaker 2: can get wild caught salmon in a tin. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so I've made these beautiful big salmon patties and you know,
Speaker 2: definitely supplementation, protein, shake, protein, yogurt, but I'm also adding
Speaker 2: in some really good omega threes through flex seed and
Speaker 2: hamp and I'm eating like mostly whole food some supplements.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where do you go?
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about your protein, but
Speaker 2: I imagine you're I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't need a lot of food all up,
Speaker 1: despite what I said before. I mean, I still have
Speaker 1: a few calories, but I literally ate two meals a day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't eat. You know, I'm boring, But like every
Speaker 1: night for me would be a protein sauce, which is
Speaker 1: going to be generally chicken or beef. Sometimes it's turkey,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's eggs. Sometimes it's maybe rarely lamb, sometimes it's fish.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I had some tuna. Yeah you know what I
Speaker 1: had Yesterday? I had every maybe about once a fortnight
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. I'm fucking starving, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm generally not. But yesterday and I had this
Speaker 1: little ninety five gram gram so a small can of
Speaker 1: tuna which had its in oil, and it's got tomato
Speaker 1: and onion. Yeah this sounds this sounds terrible, right, So
Speaker 1: I scoop out the ninety five grams, which is fuck all.
Speaker 2: There's like free teaspoons for me.
Speaker 1: It's like whatever. And then I have roasted almonds, so
Speaker 1: I chuck like ten roasted almonds in so there's something crunchy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's the worst. I mean, it's the weirdest mix.
Speaker 1: But fuck it was yummy bit of salt bitter, oh
Speaker 1: so good. So I just I just make up like
Speaker 1: I have stuff that people wouldn't have. But for me,
Speaker 1: I don't like sweet much. I like savory, yeah, and
Speaker 1: things for me, I cannot go bland food, like even
Speaker 1: if it's super healthy. I mean, I've still got to
Speaker 1: enjoy what I eat, so I make sure that you know,
Speaker 1: I have spices and herbs and curry and whatever, but
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, so I eat that breakfast is like
Speaker 1: I've said before, it's almonds and seeds and you know,
Speaker 1: protein powder and oats and but yeah, I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: very in like I'm lucky that I seem to be
Speaker 1: able to dial in where it just becomes normal and
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like some big sacrifice. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for people who and I mean this genuinely, they
Speaker 1: always feel like they're missing out if they're not having
Speaker 1: a beer or eating cake or and they whereas I
Speaker 1: don't feel like that at all. So for me, it
Speaker 1: doesn't require really any discipline. It's like, there's nothing in
Speaker 1: me that wants to eat cake or drink booze, or
Speaker 1: eat a pizza or eat fried demos with salt or
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying people shouldn't do that. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, and I don't need
Speaker 1: to do that. And I also know that I am
Speaker 1: not genetically gifted. So for me, my protocol needs to
Speaker 1: be pretty buttoned down. Yeah, there can't be too much
Speaker 1: latitude with me because despite what I said earlier, I
Speaker 1: mean I literally was twenty kilos heavier than I am
Speaker 1: now when I was fourteen years old, so I could
Speaker 1: get that really quickly and unhealthy really quickly. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: trying to find that and I think that's, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, that's almost been a lifelong curiosity, is just
Speaker 1: trying to find what is going to work for you
Speaker 1: without building an operating system that in the middle of
Speaker 1: you feel like you're fucking deprived all the time. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like that.
Speaker 2: It's not and it's not sustainable, and it's that's you know,
Speaker 2: that a diet just drives us to want to eat
Speaker 2: more when we're you know, and that's that's like I
Speaker 2: guess coming full circle. Like I'm eating so much. I've
Speaker 2: never eaten so much food, crake, I've never eaten so
Speaker 2: much food in a day. And like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: only eight days in, but I feel amazing, so already
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like incredible and
Speaker 2: it's healthy, like mostly whole foods. Yes, some protein powder,
Speaker 2: but get I get the raw brand, which is a
Speaker 2: plant based protein, but not a lot of other you
Speaker 2: know additives, You've got to be mindful of these sorts
Speaker 2: of things. But I'm a sweet tooth opposite to you.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Like I have to make better I
Speaker 2: make better choices now. But I love ice cream. I
Speaker 2: love chocolate, And now what I do is like I
Speaker 2: just get linked like a lint seventy. Although Allie said,
Speaker 2: let's go for the eighty five percent coco, okay, but
Speaker 2: just to have one a piece after dinner. So there's
Speaker 2: something sweet. I don't have dessert normally, but just something
Speaker 2: It's not so delicious that you want to just eat
Speaker 2: rose and rows of it like cabri oreo. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's enough to kind of like satisfy that. And I
Speaker 2: just think, I'm I'm making a choice here. I can
Speaker 2: choose to have more. I'm not dieting, I'm not restricting anything,
Speaker 2: but there's not really much of an appetite for it
Speaker 2: because my blood sugar levels are probably way more stable.
Speaker 2: I'm satiated, if that's the right pronunciation, satisfied, satiated, I
Speaker 2: don't know, satiated, And so I just urge anyone sort
Speaker 2: of listening, Like, we know diets don't work. We've established
Speaker 2: it's pretty human thing too. You know, care about how
Speaker 2: we look and how we feel in our bodies, and
Speaker 2: there's really healthy ways that we can make change that
Speaker 2: is not just about the aesthetics. It's about function and
Speaker 2: maximizing potential. I mean, I'm fifty, I only halfway there.
Speaker 2: This is midlife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm just going to say one thing
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, and then you feel free to
Speaker 1: jump in. But you know, I find this interesting that
Speaker 1: when I used to teach big fit students, like I
Speaker 1: taught thousands of you know, trainers, When I used to
Speaker 1: just teaching those courses, and you know, we talk broadly
Speaker 1: about a lot of things, and I'd say people come
Speaker 1: to the gym the three main reasons, so how they look,
Speaker 1: how they feel, how they function right? Look feel function right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I said most people, if they're being I think,
Speaker 1: if they're being honest, most people. Not all, But at
Speaker 1: the top of the list is how I look. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We all want to feel good and function good. We
Speaker 1: want to be healthy, we want to be operational. But
Speaker 1: I also think it's almost like people have been and like,
Speaker 1: if you said to me, what's the most important for me? Truly, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's health. But do I care about how I look?
Speaker 1: I do? Put me in prison. I'm sorry. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, do I care? Am I obsessed with it? No?
Speaker 1: But do I care? Yes? If I could look pretty
Speaker 1: good or shit, I'm going to choose pretty good. Thanks.
Speaker 1: So I think like people have almost not by you,
Speaker 1: not by me, but people have almost been made to
Speaker 1: feel guilty about wanting to look good, Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what you look like? Oh okay, Well to you
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but to me it does. Like I think
Speaker 1: imposing this you shouldn't worry about what you look like, Well,
Speaker 1: that's complete fucking bullshit. If you care about how you look,
Speaker 1: that's fine. That's not to say that you're obsessed with
Speaker 1: your appearance or you get your entire sense of self
Speaker 1: worth from your appearance. That's something different. But these things
Speaker 1: how I look and how I feel and how I function,
Speaker 1: they don't need to be completely independent variables that can't correlate. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: it's okay that you care how you look. It's okay.
Speaker 1: It's probably not healthy to be obsessed with your appearance.
Speaker 1: That's a different thing. But do you care about whether
Speaker 1: or not your body works well? And you've got energy
Speaker 1: and your immune system strong, and you've got good posture
Speaker 1: and bone density, and also that you know, you're relatively
Speaker 1: happy with how you look, whatever that is for you.
Speaker 1: You know. I just think that there's too much moralizing around, Oh,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't this, And I'm like, fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I should think about my body
Speaker 1: or what my priorities should be, and don't tell others.
Speaker 1: If others care how they look good, that's fine, you
Speaker 1: do you let them do them and I'll do me.
Speaker 1: And also, I would think ultimately for most people, health
Speaker 1: and wellness and performance is the paramount consideration. But yeah,
Speaker 1: steps down.
Speaker 2: Off, soapbox, steps down, let me step right up. One
Speaker 2: of the things that I think is really important before
Speaker 2: we go is to say that you can be in
Speaker 2: size ten or twelve or something and look slim. Say
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a woman here. You can look so
Speaker 2: not have a larger body, so to speak, but be
Speaker 2: much less healthy than somebody who might be in a
Speaker 2: larger body, who is lifting weights, who's putting on muscle,
Speaker 2: who's looking after their bones. They're managing their glucose metabolism
Speaker 2: with the foods they're eating, and the exercise they're doing.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the hangovers from I think, you know,
Speaker 2: days gone by, is that women, you know, women go
Speaker 2: to the cardio, men go to the weightlifting. You know,
Speaker 2: women on the treadmill, men on you know, the smith machine,
Speaker 2: or with the free weights or and I just want
Speaker 2: to say to the women listening, we need to be
Speaker 2: lifting weights. We need to be lifting weights. And you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't dive into squats and power cleans and snatches.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do any of that. Ever, if
Speaker 2: you don't want to scots are great, you'll probably want
Speaker 2: to do air scots at the very least. But just
Speaker 2: that that we can how you look does not necessarily
Speaker 2: translate to how healthy you are, which which we know
Speaker 2: in either direction, but just that when it comes to
Speaker 2: improving body composition, which improves health, improves how we feel
Speaker 2: and improves how we function, weight training has got to
Speaker 2: be part of it. No more just going for a
Speaker 2: big walk every day or jog a few times a week.
Speaker 2: You've got to be lifting weights. That's there. I'm off
Speaker 2: the soaf box now.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and I love that
Speaker 1: you said that, not me, because if I say that
Speaker 1: they're going to go well, of course you'll say that
Speaker 1: your fucking meadhead. But Joejdi is not a meathead. How
Speaker 1: do people connect with you? Listen to you, read you,
Speaker 1: and follow you? Please?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yes, please connect with me. Yeah, you'll find
Speaker 2: me at doctor Jody Richardson. Jody's spelt with Justin. I
Speaker 2: know we on the end on Instagram. The podcast is
Speaker 2: well Hello Anxiety. And of course if you are looking
Speaker 2: for a speaker to speak predominantly in schools is the
Speaker 2: work that I do to staff around well being, mental
Speaker 2: health and of course empowering anxious kids in the classroom
Speaker 2: or speaking to parents, please reach out because that's just
Speaker 2: work that I absolutely love to do. So and yeah, Craig,
Speaker 2: thank you for having me again.
Speaker 1: Well thanks for being had doc. And she's the best
Speaker 1: in the business everybody, so look no further. She's you
Speaker 1: go to. Well say goodbye, affair, but as always, love
Speaker 1: your guts, thank.
Speaker 2: You, love your guts back, Thank you. Bye.