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Speaker 1: the show, it's bloody. It's bloody, Jody Richardson, it's the doc.

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Speaker 1: because I feel so fucking good. And also I shut

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00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: up after this, so like you, a bit more protein,

429
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: a bit less carbs. I'm not anti carbs everyone, so

430
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: don't panic. But for me, it's got to be the

431
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: right kind. Taking creatine, which I've spoken about ten grams

432
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: a day I think, called trimethyl glysine, which is a supplement,

433
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: and a thing called NMN, which is basically a eutropic

434
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: or a cognitive enhancer. They're the only Oh and some

435
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: of that you know, like the vital green stuff.

436
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

437
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So because I don't need heaps of veggies, I

438
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: eat veggies, but I don't have probably enough, and I

439
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: don't eat fruits. So every day I'm having one of

440
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: those horrible green, shaky drinks that taste like kaka but

441
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: they're awesome.

442
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like you, I feel right now

443
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: the best I've felt in a long time, like a

444
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: long time. It's so good to be able to say

445
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 3: that and just like to me, it was kind of

446
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: like for you, you're kind of like, well, I'm going

447
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: to give this a go and see what happens, see

448
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: how I feel.

449
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: Had you not felt great, you would have made a change.

450
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: And that biofeedback you were talking about before, it's so important.

451
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: And the other thing I also want to say is

452
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: it's really like that works for you. Yeah, what I mean,

453
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: it remains to be seen. If I mean, what I'm

454
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: doing is making me feel great, I unfortunately am so

455
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: full all day that I haven't even She wants me

456
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: to eat an orange a day, and I haven't even

457
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: been able to because I haven't been able to fit

458
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: it in. But I think that one of the things

459
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: that you're saying here is that it's so important just

460
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: to know how you are responding to the changes that

461
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: you are making. There's no blanket rule for anybody about

462
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: what to do when it comes to these kind of

463
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: nutritional adjustments. But I mean, there are some foundational things

464
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: we really need to be paying attention to, which you are.

465
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: You've got your greens, you've got your protein, good quality

466
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: complex carbohydrates, hopefully some good fats in there. You're getting

467
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, your nourishment. I know, I know you love

468
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: your almonds, you know. But I think another thing too,

469
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: is that what's really interesting for women is that what

470
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: works for men and what works for women is different.

471
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: And we need to like we need to wake up

472
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: and eat, and it's very easy to I mean on

473
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: a day that I'm not training. I mean, gosh, when

474
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: I was fasting two days a week, I would delay

475
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: having anything for as long as possible because it was

476
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: kind of like, once I woke up, my stomach it

477
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: was like a hungry monster that wanted feeding. So if

478
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: I could just delay, delay, delay, and I was just

479
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: probably eating into so much muscle and my body fat

480
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: was being held on to, like you know, my body's

481
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: like you're not letting go of the fat. You can

482
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: have the muscle. But yeah, I think it's really good

483
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: that we can kind of talk about these these changes

484
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 2: and think about it kind of in response and think

485
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: about it from the point of view. I'm going to

486
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: do this. I'm going to see how I feel. I'm

487
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: going to see how I feel about how my body

488
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: composition changes. The weight on the scale, I mean, we've

489
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: never had scales. I don't know what I weigh I'm

490
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: probably the heaviest other than being pregnant, I'm probably I'm

491
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: guessing I'm somewhere between sixty five and sixty eight. I

492
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: don't know. But we talked about the waste measurement when

493
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: I was with Ali. She we talked about the wasste

494
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: measurement being eighty or less for me one hundred or

495
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: less at the smallest part of the waist, just to

496
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: kind of keep an eye on that bellly fat that

497
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: can creep on.

498
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's Look, it's fascinating. And you think,

499
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: like on top of the food, on top of the excise,

500
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: on top of the you know, changing endocrime system for

501
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: the different stages and phases, and then you chuck in

502
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: this other variable which might be the most important, which

503
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: is sleep.

504
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: You were going to say that, Yeah, like wow.

505
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, and that's the other thing that I've

506
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: really concentrated on. And I know everybody, don't don't send

507
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: me a message because I know I'm privileged and not

508
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: everybody can do what I do. But I've been going

509
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: to bed at eight o'clock, and I would say every night,

510
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: I would say, for the last seven nights, I'm asleep

511
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: at nine in the morning five six, like I'm getting

512
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: every night rock solid eight sometimes nine and not once

513
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: in every three or four nights, like nights in a row.

514
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: I tell you, I I feel like I'm on all

515
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: the steroids. I don't know what that would make if

516
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: you feel like that's probably a bad analogy, but but

517
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I feel fucking I'm on the best vitamin of all time.

518
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: And like the other tweaks and adjustments, the weight loss,

519
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: caring for kilos less, having a bit less body fat,

520
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: and what I'm else I'm starting to do is I'm

521
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: starting to train all the ship that I've never trained,

522
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: Like well, okay, let me let me clarify that not

523
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: trained enough, so we'll come back. But here's what I

524
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: can tell you this is this is really interesting. So evolutionarily,

525
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: back in the day, for most of the kind of

526
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: modern you know, modern human development and evolution, we've always

527
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: eaten food that required a lot of chewing. Yeah, we

528
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: don't anymore, like not, I mean some of us. But

529
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of food that a lot of people eat

530
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: is essentially mush or it doesn't require much work, and

531
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: so a lot of the strength and musculature that we

532
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: had through the jaw that's that's gone, and it's it's

533
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: even I watched this interesting little mini doco yesterday on

534
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: how it's fucked up the way people's teeth are now

535
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: because ouraw used to be bigger and stronger and now

536
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: it's become over time weaker and smaller, and the teeth

537
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: can't fit in. So we're seeing a lot of people

538
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: having problems with their teeth because of this diminishing size

539
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: of the jaw and all this stuff. But also like,

540
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: for example, my chest is really strong, my back is

541
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: really strong, my arms are really strong, but my neck

542
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: is not. So you have this weak link. So it

543
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: compared to the average neck, it's probably fine, but compared

544
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: to the rest of my body, Like if the rest

545
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: of my body is eight out of ten for my potential,

546
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: my neck is fucking three. So what happens is and

547
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: this is getting very specific. So and you're an exose phusiologist,

548
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: you completely get this as well or better than me.

549
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: But you know, we sit in this forward head posture

550
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: where now we've got our neck flexaws, like our Sterno

551
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Clyde mastoid SCM underload and shortened and tightened, and the

552
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: muscles at the back of the neck everyone, which we

553
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: call neck extenses. They're now stretched and elongated, and over time,

554
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: the muscles at the front become stronger and shorter, and

555
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the muscles at the back of the neck become weaker

556
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: and longer, and then we end up with this fucking

557
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: neanderthal head forward position. So our head's not in a

558
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: neutral position back in our kind of center of mass,

559
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: what we would call basically the middle of if we

560
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: could divide our body exactly front to back in half

561
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: with a weight or center of mass, our ears should

562
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle. But if you have a

563
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: look at a lot of kids, you haven't looked a

564
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: lot of people on buses or in cars or anywhere

565
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: that are looking at a screen or a computer or

566
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: a phone or whatever. Most of them, and the kids

567
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: in the gym even they're sitting on the bench or

568
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, and their head is sitting way forward

569
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: of the rest of their body. So apart from all

570
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: the neck problems, which are fucking prolific, every headache right

571
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: and headaches, then you get the muscular churre just below that,

572
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: in between the shoulder blades, and then you get people

573
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: where because they're sitting in this forward, then this position.

574
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I'll shut up after this. But then their shoulders come forward,

575
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: and then their peck muscles tighten, and then the muscles

576
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: at the back, rhomboids, etc. They start to elongate and stretch,

577
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: and now they have caiphosis. Now they have this hunchy

578
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: back where their shoulders are forward, they're back in the

579
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: thoracic region or shoulder braid blade region. Everyone is hunched. Yeah,

580
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: so posture is a real issue as well. So I've

581
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: just been trying to fix everything. So I'm training my neck,

582
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: front and back. I'm training my hamstrings, I'm training my glutes,

583
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: my ass properly. Like my cords are stronger than my hamstrings,

584
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: which is a lot of people. My upper back is

585
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: stronger than my lower back, like a lot of dudes

586
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and girls who train in gym's, women and men who

587
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: train in gym's have got like they train their upper

588
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: back quite quite well their lower back sometimes not at all. Yeah,

589
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: So you have these lats and rhomboids and rear adults

590
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: that are eight nine out of ten, and then you

591
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: have a lower back that is a two out of ten.

592
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: So guess what you're going to injure.

593
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, it's and you you talked about before

594
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: about the one percentence, and I've often sort of thought like,

595
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: we can't come at the one percent until we get

596
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: like the bulk, the basics in place and posture, sleep,

597
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: just moving like you've up your steps, you're thinking about

598
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: your posture and kind of muscular musculo skeletal balance. You're

599
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: prioritizing your sleep, which you know, I'm I heard the

600
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: disclaimer before. I mean, gosh, anyone who's a new mum

601
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: listening or a mum with little kids, goodness. Peter and I,

602
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: Mahabby and I were just reflecting the other day about

603
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: how many times and night or a week our daughter

604
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: would wake I've had a bad dream, and then I'd

605
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: go and you know, it's such disjointed sleep. It's really tough.

606
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, when we can stop because it's easy to

607
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: go and buy a taber crea teine, it's easy to

608
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: go and buy a protein powder, But none of that

609
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: is going to make as much of a difference to

610
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: how you feel, how you move, and our longevity and

611
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: our ability to sort of for this body to carry

612
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: us through until you know, we're eighty ninety. If we're lucky,

613
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: enough to be in good health if we don't take

614
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: care of those things. And sleep is not something to

615
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: be sacrificed. It's one of the biggest changes that we

616
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: can make if some people need extra help with it,

617
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: because stress, stress during the day that accumulates can really

618
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: impact on sleep in the night. So it's not just

619
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: about what's happening in the night, it's about what's happening

620
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: kind of throughout, you know, the twenty four hour kind

621
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: of period. But yeah, the posturals stuff like, especially with

622
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: the way we're using devices. I don't you know. I

623
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: saw a lady yesterday who must have had osteoporosis, where

624
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, the hunching starts and then the bones on

625
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: the front of the vertebral columns start to kind of disintegrate,

626
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: and then that and then oh gosh, you look at

627
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: that and you think, right, stand up straight. I have

628
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: this thing that I try to remember, which is I've

629
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: made up this little kind of memorable way to remind myself,

630
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, the stop drop and roll that you do

631
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: when there's smoke in the house. I tell myself stop scrunching,

632
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: so I like sort of lift up my shoulders to

633
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: my ears, so I'm stopping that. So I think about

634
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: a scrunch and then a drop and then a roll,

635
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: and obviously you can see me, Craig, but I'm just

636
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: lifting up my shoulders, dropping them down, and then calling

637
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: them back to kind of reposition and reset, just because

638
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: I think I'm a bit prone to that. And my

639
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: mum started with a bit of cayphosis and a bit

640
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: of osteoporosis, and I'm like, ah, we don't. There's so

641
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: much we can't undo once some dominoes have fallen, but

642
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: there's a lot we can do. You know, the best

643
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: time is twenty years ago. The second best time is now.

644
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: As the saying goes, yeah, yeah, do.

645
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Speaker 1: You know what I reckon? It's another great idea that

646
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I've might have suggested this

647
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: once in seven years, I'm writing it down. Getting yourself

648
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: a fitball. And so for our listeners who don't know

649
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just those big exercise balls that

650
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: are about I don't know, like a meter or nine

651
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: hundred or eight hundred mil and they kind of annoy me,

652
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: but that's just my personal bullshit. But they're actually really good,

653
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: and so why they can be good is because you

654
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: can literally use them as a chair, so you can

655
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: sit on them. Not all the time necessarily. But the

656
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: good thing about using something that's round sitting on something

657
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: that's round is now you're on something that's unstable, which

658
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: seems like a bad idea. Now, if you're my mum,

659
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: maybe don't sit on a ball, right, But if you're

660
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: relatively operational and you just want to activate the muscles

661
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: around your waist more, you know, your stomach muscles, your

662
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: lower back muscles transversu subdominus rectus rector subdominus blah blah blah,

663
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: and spine erecta, the muscles in your lower back. Sitting

664
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: on something that's unstable means you're going to use your

665
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: stabilizing muscles, which is great, and it also means, if

666
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: you do it properly, you're going to sit up straight,

667
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: because otherwise it's really uncomfortable. Right. And then the other

668
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: thing you can do is, and I've got one downstairs.

669
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I just I'll in my studio, not where I'm at

670
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 1: currently in my office, but I will push the ball

671
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: back and then I get on my back. So now

672
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: the ball is in the middle of my shoulder blades.

673
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: I put my arms up in the air Superman style,

674
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: and I take them back over the ball. Now, everyone,

675
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: when you're in that position, when you're lying backwards over

676
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 1: the ball and your arms are straight above your head

677
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: so to speak, and I mean horizontal to the floor,

678
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: not vertical to the floor. But so now you're in

679
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: almost like that Superman position with your arms above your head,

680
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: hands together. Now you're in what's called thoracic extension, which

681
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: is just extending those muscles between the vertebrae, between the

682
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: spine or the shoulder blades in that area that normally

683
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: get very kind of curved forward in what we call flexion.

684
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: And just getting in that position for like a minute,

685
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: three four, five times a day, it's like just joy

686
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: for your back, you know. So having a you know,

687
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: go and spending fifty bucks on a ball that's probably

688
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: going to last you the next ten years not the

689
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: worst investment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't dig it out of My mother in law's

691
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: got one, and my daughter spotted it and she's like, oh,

692
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: Ingrid's got a football in a shd. I'm like, ah,

693
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: let's get a new one.

694
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Speaker 1: Because they have been known to pop.

695
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: Yes they have, they have. Yeah, you're exactly right, just

696
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: keeping that mobility, keeping that mobility through the back and

697
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: through the shoulders, and just balance. A lot of us

698
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time at a desk, and yeah,

699
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's easy. You know, we really should be

700
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: moving every twenty five minutes, every thirty minutes. We really

701
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: should be getting up and walking. I use a Pomodoro

702
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: timer on occasion if I really need to knuckle down,

703
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: and I'm like, right, I've got a few big things

704
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: to get done, I'll just keep setting the top and

705
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: then when it goes off, I usually get out, you know,

706
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: working from home, I'll go and throw the ball for Dusty.

707
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: Or I'll I mean, I shouldn't really be doing a

708
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: load of washing during the day because it's such precious

709
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: work time. Or I'll go for a little walk outside,

710
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: touch a tree, check the chickens, just a little stretch,

711
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: just to kind of rea. But other days I could

712
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: be sitting there for three or four hours and not

713
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: move and it's not good. It's not good. But if

714
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: we've got something that helps us kind of get going,

715
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: like the timer that goes off, that's that's helpful.

716
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: And I think I think you're exactly right. We need to.

717
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't need to do anything, but I

718
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: think it's a good deer to build a routine and

719
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: habits where, you know, like sometimes like I had straight

720
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: before you, I finished two minutes before we got on there.

721
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: I spent an hour with Bobby. Yeah, well maybe three

722
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: minutes before. And in the three minutes, I did five

723
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: flights of stairs because I just I just had to

724
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: move my body, right, Yeah, because I don't want to

725
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: sit here for two hours. Now when I finish with you,

726
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: five minutes after I finish with you, I will be

727
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: out the door and walking. And so even when I'm

728
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: doing something like let's say I'm cooking my dinner and

729
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: let's say I put it in the microwave and it's

730
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: going to take five minutes, I'll literally walk out the

731
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: side gate, which is ten meters from the microwave. I'll

732
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: walk up the side street where I live. I live

733
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Speaker 1: on a corner, so I walk up the side street.

734
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Speaker 1: I'll walk two and a half minutes one way, two

735
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: and a half minutes back. I get back, the buzzer goes,

736
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: my dinner's ready, and I've just walked eight hundred meters

737
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: or whatever I've done, right, or I'll do I'll do

738
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: twenty squats and twenty push ups times four. Like it's

739
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: just going, oh, I've got two minutes. I could do

740
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: two minutes of something, and that it just becomes like

741
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: I was saying, I was talking about this with Bobby

742
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: and without getting too weird or too deep, too fast. Yesterday, okay,

743
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: on Saturday, so we're recording this. Thursday, I had coffee

744
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: with one of my best friends and he'd been feeling

745
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit average, and he had some tests done

746
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: and all this, and I said, when you find out

747
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: about the test, he said, yesterday, I said, ring me.

748
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: So he rings me, and he's got lung cancer right now. Anyway,

749
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing. But here's my thing. Like

750
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: so many of us, and I know I bang on

751
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: about this and people probably resent, and that's cool. Don't care.

752
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: So many of us fucking wait until something breaks. Now

753
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: obviously he couldn't control that. He doesn't even spoke. It's

754
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: a different thing. But what I'm saying is there are

755
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: so many things that we can do that don't require

756
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: a gym membership. They don't require special clothing, they don't

757
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: require any equipment in the garage. There are so many

758
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: things that we can do that move the needle, and

759
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: when we combine all of these little things, that creates

760
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: a big impact. But not if we only do it

761
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: for fucking three days, and not if we're always telling ourselves, Oh,

762
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: you don't understand how hard my life is. You know,

763
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: it's like we need to get because of course life's hard.

764
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: Of course life's inconvenient, and of course the universe doesn't

765
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: give a fuck about you or your body fat, or

766
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: your emotions or your hormones. And in the middle of

767
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: all of that shit that doesn't care about you, you

768
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: need to put on your big boy pants, your big

769
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: girl pants, and go, fuck, this is what I need

770
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: to do. Yes, you know, in your case menopause sucks. Yes,

771
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: being sixty one year old bloke, it's not the So

772
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: what you do is you go, well, I'm a fiftyish

773
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: year old lady who's who's doing menopause, and I'm a

774
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: sixty one year old bloke who's just doing fucking sixty one.

775
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: But with that, okay, So with that, what's the best

776
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: thing I can do?

777
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

778
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: Can I do five push ups? Yes? Well? Are you

779
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: doing five?

780
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 2: No? Yeh?

781
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Can you get on a chin bar and just hold

782
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: your body weight for twelve seconds. So do that. Can

783
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: you eat a little bit less or can you increase

784
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: your protein or can you go for six small walk?

785
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Can you walk five hundred meters three times a day,

786
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: six times a day? Can you walk up and down

787
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: the stairs more than you need to.

788
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: Take the stairs, not the elevator.

789
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: So many things that are in our control. And the

790
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: truth is that most of the stuff that we need

791
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: to do is it's going to be inconvenient. And that's okay,

792
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: you know.

793
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: It is. Look, Pete and I got out for a

794
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: walk with Dusty the other night and it was kind

795
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: of dusk, and you know where we go locally, there's

796
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 2: footy training and stuff on, lots of ovals and beautiful parks.

797
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: We didn't go in the parts where I mean it

798
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: was really dark by the time we got there, actually,

799
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: but it would have been so easy. This is not

800
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: something that we do as a regular We do our

801
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 2: own exercise separate. You'll go for bike rides and play cricket.

802
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: I'll go to the play basketball and do cross it,

803
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: go for a walk, whatever. But I'm like, how about

804
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: we try to do a bit more of this together

805
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 2: and it would have been Oh my gosh. I wouldn't

806
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: have taken much convincing, you know, for me to go.

807
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, gosh, how about we go for a walk

808
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, cool. But if he had

809
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: a said let's watch another episode of our program, I

810
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: would have been on the couch so fast, because it's

811
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: so much of what we do so comfy. But the

812
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: bonus of it is I read somewhere somebody said you

813
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: might not like it when you do it, but you

814
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: like how it feels once you've finished. But in fact,

815
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: actually once you get started, it's good. It's sometimes it's

816
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: just that, you know, I love Mail Robins, you know

817
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: you for me with Mail Robins five four three two one, Yeah,

818
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: for any listener that's not familiar with it. She just

819
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: came up with this idea that if you've got something

820
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: you need to do, whether it's getting out of bed

821
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: or going out for your walk, or drinking that vital

822
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: Greens mush that you have to drink, you're going to want.

823
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: You want to do it. You know what's good for you,

824
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: Just go right five four three two one go. I've

825
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: been doing that a bit. If I go for a

826
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: swim with my friend down in the bay because we

827
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: know we're going to go under, and you can stand

828
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: there for ten minutes thinking about it, or you can

829
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: just go five four, three to one, and once you've

830
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: done it, it's just exhilarating. Yeah, it's that getting that momentum.

831
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: It's just getting started. I know we've spoken about this

832
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: before many times.

833
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: M I wrote a thing the other day which is

834
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: on Instagram everyone two days ago, and it's called doing

835
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: what feels bad. We're all attracted to things that make

836
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: us feel good, and of course none of us want

837
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: to feel bad. But for what it's worth, life has

838
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: taught me that sometimes I need to do the thing

839
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: that in the moment doesn't feel good in order to

840
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: do be and create the thing that is good. Conversely,

841
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: some of the things that feel good in the moment,

842
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: so many things can easily land me and you in

843
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: a world of physical, psychological, and emotional hurt over the

844
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: long term. And that's it. It's like, well, of course

845
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good because you're unfit, and that's okay,

846
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: that's not a judgment, that's not hate, that's just going

847
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: all right, well, right now I'm unfit, So this is

848
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: going to suck. Yeah, of course, and that's okay. And

849
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: it's like, well, of course you're terrified of doing that

850
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: thing because you've never done it. But once you start,

851
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: the terror will die down. You'll build skill and understanding

852
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: and confidence and a bit of courage. It's like, not

853
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: everything needs to be comfortable. We're so fucking addicted to

854
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: and focused on and obsessed with comfort. Yeah, it's actually

855
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: I think being preoccupied with comfort and convenience is a

856
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: handbreak to your potential.

857
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: Oh, couldn't agree more, could not agree more? And actually,

858
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: one of the things when you doing something, I do this,

859
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: and I really encourage you as a listener to think

860
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 2: about this when you're actually doing it. You know the thing.

861
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: Could it be the walk, Could it be starting some

862
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: strength training, Could it be you know, taking the first

863
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: step towards learning a new skill, piano art, something. When

864
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of it, this thing that is uncomfortable,

865
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: just reflect, Just step out of yourself for a moment

866
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: and just think what is it here that is unco Like,

867
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: how is this uncomfortable? I often do that when I'm

868
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: training Craig, when I'm across it, I'm like, what is

869
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: holding me back here? What is so hard about this?

870
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: Right now? And then I'm like, am I in pain? No?

871
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: Can I catch my breath? Can I breathe? Yes? Okay?

872
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: Am I tired?

873
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: Yes?

874
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: That's probably okay. Is this something that I can manage

875
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: by the way I'm thinking about this? Yes, Because sometimes

876
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: in the of the discomfort, we can just go, oh,

877
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel good. But when you stop in

878
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: it and you go, well, I'm uncomfortable, that in itself

879
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: reduces the discomfort. But also going what is uncomfortable about this?

880
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: I think can be really empowering because you're actually like, well,

881
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm not in pain, like I'm not. You know, all

882
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: the things you might have predicted might not be happening,

883
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: or most of them, And when you land on that

884
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: one thing that is uncomfortable, you're kind of like, oh, okay,

885
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: that's what it is. What can I do about it? Something? Nothing?

886
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: And then you go from there. But I think that

887
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: reflection can often help you when you come back to

888
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: it next time, to go, well, it's the thought of

889
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: doing it, the thought of starting. As we know, it's

890
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: like washing the windows at home. But what a gift

891
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: if you've never exercised. Peter was telling me. A couple

892
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: of his mates from high school have started. They were

893
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: never playing sport, they weren't into exercise or engaging in

894
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: any thing until now when they're late forties, early fifties,

895
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: and they've got really good joints and they've got you know,

896
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: they haven't got the wear and tear on their joints

897
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: that many of us will have from a lifetime of

898
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 2: doing things. And Craig, you and I both know when

899
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: you start exercising, yes, it's hard, but the progress that

900
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: you make relatively quickly compared to someone who's got training maturity,

901
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: it's so rewarding, isn't it.

902
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: Ah? And that yeah, and also it is I mean

903
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: people don't like the physical change is great. Yeah, your

904
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: blood blood pressure is lower, you lost a bit of fat,

905
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: you're gained a bit of muscle. But it's when you

906
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: realize that it also changes your emotional and psychological state,

907
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: when you realize that it's actually a cognitive enhancer. It

908
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: literally makes your It sounds like psychobabble, but it actually

909
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: makes your brain work better, yeah, and operationally makes you smarter,

910
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: like yeah, exactly. And it's but when you introduce any

911
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: variable that you needed that you weren't kind of utilizing

912
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: like for you. Okay, now, so you have probably been

913
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: somewhat protein deficient for a long time. Yeah, and now

914
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: your body's like, oh god, fin It's like you've been

915
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: breathing through half a nostril for three years. Now you've

916
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: got both nostrils and your mouth and you're like, oh, fuck,

917
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: Oxygen's good. You know. It's like, ah, this is what

918
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: it's like to breathe, and your body's going, oh, thank God.

919
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: Now I can build muscle. Now I can have more energy.

920
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: Now I can recover optimally. Now all my everything can

921
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: work better because I'm not starved of one of the

922
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: most important macro nutrients. You know, it's only three and

923
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: you're not giving me one of them, you know.

924
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know, I know, and it is.

925
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: It is not hard to eat protein. It's actually I

926
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: have not found it hard at all. And I'm a pescatarian,

927
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: so it's harder for meat because I don't eat red

928
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: meat and chicken. I eat fish, salmon, salmon, and tuna.

929
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: Tuna is my best friend and I love tuna. And

930
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: that was another thing I said to Alie. I've always

931
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: been worried about eating too much tuna because I'm worried

932
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: about mercury and heavy metals. And she's like, she said

933
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: that the tinge tuna that we can purchase here is smaller.

934
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: They're smaller fish, so it's and also and then I'm like, oh,

935
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: I really love salmon, but I hate farmed salmon. And

936
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: it's seventy five bucks a kilo for the wild caught

937
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: salmon in New Zealand. And she said, you know you

938
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: can get wild caught salmon in a tin. I'm like, oh,

939
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: so I've made these beautiful big salmon patties and you know,

940
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: definitely supplementation, protein, shake, protein, yogurt, but I'm also adding

941
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: in some really good omega threes through flex seed and

942
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: hamp and I'm eating like mostly whole food some supplements.

943
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where do you go?

944
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about your protein, but

945
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: I imagine you're I mean, I don't.

946
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: Like, I don't need a lot of food all up,

947
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: despite what I said before. I mean, I still have

948
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: a few calories, but I literally ate two meals a day. Yeah,

949
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't eat. You know, I'm boring, But like every

950
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: night for me would be a protein sauce, which is

951
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: going to be generally chicken or beef. Sometimes it's turkey,

952
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: sometimes it's eggs. Sometimes it's maybe rarely lamb, sometimes it's fish.

953
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Yesterday I had some tuna. Yeah you know what I

954
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: had Yesterday? I had every maybe about once a fortnight

955
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. I'm fucking starving, yeah,

956
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: but I'm generally not. But yesterday and I had this

957
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: little ninety five gram gram so a small can of

958
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: tuna which had its in oil, and it's got tomato

959
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: and onion. Yeah this sounds this sounds terrible, right, So

960
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: I scoop out the ninety five grams, which is fuck all.

961
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: There's like free teaspoons for me.

962
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: It's like whatever. And then I have roasted almonds, so

963
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: I chuck like ten roasted almonds in so there's something crunchy. Yeah,

964
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: and it's the worst. I mean, it's the weirdest mix.

965
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: But fuck it was yummy bit of salt bitter, oh

966
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: so good. So I just I just make up like

967
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: I have stuff that people wouldn't have. But for me,

968
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't like sweet much. I like savory, yeah, and

969
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: things for me, I cannot go bland food, like even

970
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: if it's super healthy. I mean, I've still got to

971
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: enjoy what I eat, so I make sure that you know,

972
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: I have spices and herbs and curry and whatever, but

973
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, so I eat that breakfast is like

974
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: I've said before, it's almonds and seeds and you know,

975
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: protein powder and oats and but yeah, I don't. I'm

976
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: very in like I'm lucky that I seem to be

977
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: able to dial in where it just becomes normal and

978
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like some big sacrifice. Yeah, I feel

979
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: sorry for people who and I mean this genuinely, they

980
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: always feel like they're missing out if they're not having

981
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: a beer or eating cake or and they whereas I

982
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: don't feel like that at all. So for me, it

983
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: doesn't require really any discipline. It's like, there's nothing in

984
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: me that wants to eat cake or drink booze, or

985
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: eat a pizza or eat fried demos with salt or

986
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying people shouldn't do that. I'm saying

987
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, and I don't need

988
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: to do that. And I also know that I am

989
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: not genetically gifted. So for me, my protocol needs to

990
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: be pretty buttoned down. Yeah, there can't be too much

991
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: latitude with me because despite what I said earlier, I

992
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: mean I literally was twenty kilos heavier than I am

993
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: now when I was fourteen years old, so I could

994
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: get that really quickly and unhealthy really quickly. Yeah, So

995
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: trying to find that and I think that's, you know,

996
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: for me, that's almost been a lifelong curiosity, is just

997
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: trying to find what is going to work for you

998
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: without building an operating system that in the middle of

999
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: you feel like you're fucking deprived all the time. I

1000
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: don't feel like that.

1001
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: It's not and it's not sustainable, and it's that's you know,

1002
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 2: that a diet just drives us to want to eat

1003
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: more when we're you know, and that's that's like I

1004
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: guess coming full circle. Like I'm eating so much. I've

1005
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: never eaten so much food, crake, I've never eaten so

1006
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: much food in a day. And like, I mean, I'm

1007
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: only eight days in, but I feel amazing, so already

1008
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like incredible and

1009
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: it's healthy, like mostly whole foods. Yes, some protein powder,

1010
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: but get I get the raw brand, which is a

1011
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: plant based protein, but not a lot of other you

1012
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: know additives, You've got to be mindful of these sorts

1013
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 2: of things. But I'm a sweet tooth opposite to you.

1014
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Like I have to make better I

1015
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: make better choices now. But I love ice cream. I

1016
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: love chocolate, And now what I do is like I

1017
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: just get linked like a lint seventy. Although Allie said,

1018
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: let's go for the eighty five percent coco, okay, but

1019
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: just to have one a piece after dinner. So there's

1020
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: something sweet. I don't have dessert normally, but just something

1021
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: It's not so delicious that you want to just eat

1022
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: rose and rows of it like cabri oreo. But yeah,

1023
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: it's enough to kind of like satisfy that. And I

1024
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: just think, I'm I'm making a choice here. I can

1025
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: choose to have more. I'm not dieting, I'm not restricting anything,

1026
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: but there's not really much of an appetite for it

1027
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: because my blood sugar levels are probably way more stable.

1028
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm satiated, if that's the right pronunciation, satisfied, satiated, I

1029
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: don't know, satiated, And so I just urge anyone sort

1030
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: of listening, Like, we know diets don't work. We've established

1031
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: it's pretty human thing too. You know, care about how

1032
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: we look and how we feel in our bodies, and

1033
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: there's really healthy ways that we can make change that

1034
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: is not just about the aesthetics. It's about function and

1035
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: maximizing potential. I mean, I'm fifty, I only halfway there.

1036
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: This is midlife.

1037
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm just going to say one thing

1038
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, and then you feel free to

1039
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: jump in. But you know, I find this interesting that

1040
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: when I used to teach big fit students, like I

1041
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: taught thousands of you know, trainers, When I used to

1042
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: just teaching those courses, and you know, we talk broadly

1043
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: about a lot of things, and I'd say people come

1044
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: to the gym the three main reasons, so how they look,

1045
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: how they feel, how they function right? Look feel function right? Yeah,

1046
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: And I said most people, if they're being I think,

1047
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: if they're being honest, most people. Not all, But at

1048
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: the top of the list is how I look. Right.

1049
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1050
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: We all want to feel good and function good. We

1051
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: want to be healthy, we want to be operational. But

1052
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: I also think it's almost like people have been and like,

1053
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: if you said to me, what's the most important for me? Truly, honestly,

1054
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: it's health. But do I care about how I look?

1055
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: I do? Put me in prison. I'm sorry. You know.

1056
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: It's like, do I care? Am I obsessed with it? No?

1057
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: But do I care? Yes? If I could look pretty

1058
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: good or shit, I'm going to choose pretty good. Thanks.

1059
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: So I think like people have almost not by you,

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Speaker 1: not by me, but people have almost been made to

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Speaker 1: feel guilty about wanting to look good, Like it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what you look like? Oh okay, Well to you

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Speaker 1: it doesn't, but to me it does. Like I think

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Speaker 1: imposing this you shouldn't worry about what you look like, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's complete fucking bullshit. If you care about how you look,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. That's not to say that you're obsessed with

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Speaker 1: your appearance or you get your entire sense of self

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Speaker 1: worth from your appearance. That's something different. But these things

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Speaker 1: how I look and how I feel and how I function,

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Speaker 1: they don't need to be completely independent variables that can't correlate. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's okay that you care how you look. It's okay.

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Speaker 1: It's probably not healthy to be obsessed with your appearance.

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Speaker 1: That's a different thing. But do you care about whether

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Speaker 1: or not your body works well? And you've got energy

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Speaker 1: and your immune system strong, and you've got good posture

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Speaker 1: and bone density, and also that you know, you're relatively

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Speaker 1: happy with how you look, whatever that is for you.

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Speaker 1: You know. I just think that there's too much moralizing around, Oh,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't this, And I'm like, fuck you, fuck you.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I should think about my body

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Speaker 1: or what my priorities should be, and don't tell others.

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Speaker 1: If others care how they look good, that's fine, you

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Speaker 1: do you let them do them and I'll do me.

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Speaker 1: And also, I would think ultimately for most people, health

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Speaker 1: and wellness and performance is the paramount consideration. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: steps down.

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Speaker 2: Off, soapbox, steps down, let me step right up. One

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Speaker 2: of the things that I think is really important before

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Speaker 2: we go is to say that you can be in

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Speaker 2: size ten or twelve or something and look slim. Say

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a woman here. You can look so

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Speaker 2: not have a larger body, so to speak, but be

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Speaker 2: much less healthy than somebody who might be in a

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Speaker 2: larger body, who is lifting weights, who's putting on muscle,

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Speaker 2: who's looking after their bones. They're managing their glucose metabolism

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Speaker 2: with the foods they're eating, and the exercise they're doing.

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the hangovers from I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: days gone by, is that women, you know, women go

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Speaker 2: to the cardio, men go to the weightlifting. You know,

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Speaker 2: women on the treadmill, men on you know, the smith machine,

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Speaker 2: or with the free weights or and I just want

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Speaker 2: to say to the women listening, we need to be

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Speaker 2: lifting weights. We need to be lifting weights. And you don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't dive into squats and power cleans and snatches.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to do any of that. Ever, if

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Speaker 2: you don't want to scots are great, you'll probably want

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Speaker 2: to do air scots at the very least. But just

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Speaker 2: that that we can how you look does not necessarily

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Speaker 2: translate to how healthy you are, which which we know

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Speaker 2: in either direction, but just that when it comes to

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Speaker 2: improving body composition, which improves health, improves how we feel

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Speaker 2: and improves how we function, weight training has got to

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Speaker 2: be part of it. No more just going for a

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Speaker 2: big walk every day or jog a few times a week.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be lifting weights. That's there. I'm off

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Speaker 2: the soaf box now.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and I love that

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Speaker 1: you said that, not me, because if I say that

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Speaker 1: they're going to go well, of course you'll say that

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Speaker 1: your fucking meadhead. But Joejdi is not a meathead. How

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Speaker 1: do people connect with you? Listen to you, read you,

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Speaker 1: and follow you? Please?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yes, please connect with me. Yeah, you'll find

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Speaker 2: me at doctor Jody Richardson. Jody's spelt with Justin. I

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Speaker 2: know we on the end on Instagram. The podcast is

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Speaker 2: well Hello Anxiety. And of course if you are looking

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Speaker 2: for a speaker to speak predominantly in schools is the

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Speaker 2: work that I do to staff around well being, mental

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Speaker 2: health and of course empowering anxious kids in the classroom

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Speaker 2: or speaking to parents, please reach out because that's just

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Speaker 2: work that I absolutely love to do. So and yeah, Craig,

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me again.

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Speaker 1: Well thanks for being had doc. And she's the best

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Speaker 1: in the business everybody, so look no further. She's you

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Speaker 1: go to. Well say goodbye, affair, but as always, love

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Speaker 1: your guts, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, love your guts back, Thank you. Bye.