1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Okay, let's have a chat about cars and many of 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Australia's most popular vehicles using more fuel than advertised. Popular 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: cars using up to thirty one percent more fuel in 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Australian conditions compared to what is on the sticker. You 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: know when you buy the car and it tells you 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: the mileage and approximately what you'll get per per kilometer 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: or per hundred kilometers in terms of fuel the leaders 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: you'll be using and it could end up costing you 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: hundreds more than what is advertised. The RAA have looked 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: into this, Mark Borlace. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning mate. 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: So this is concerning, isn't it almost a matter for 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: the A Triple C. 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 15 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: Look, the reality is that there's a world fuel consumption 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: test that all manufacturers I may have to do with 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: their vehicle substantially. It's build around the European driving model 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: and that's a regulatory requirement and that's what you see 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: with a stick on the windscreen. As we know in 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: Australians don't drive like Europeans do, and so the real 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: world testing is designed to take these vehicles over repeted 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: they over a couple of hundred cometer pack of course, 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: and we then produce the real time, the real fuel economies. 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: And this is through traffic, through light traffic, through bit 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: of country roads, et cetera. And as you said, some 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: of them we've seen up to thirty one percent worse 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: performance than what the sticker would have said you would 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: have got. So if you if you bought that, and 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: that was on a Suzuki Swip, which was a smaller car, 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: which is what you might actually one of the reasons 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: you might buy it. Yeah, it's little and it's going 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: to be chicular, and if you're right on the sticky, 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: you'll probably find out that, you know, your fuel bills 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: is about three three hundred and fifty dollars more than 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: what you expected them to be based on that. Now, 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: there's some others that who didn't, who did quite well, 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: and some who were actually better than what the sticker 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: were as well. So but on average, fifty three percent 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: of the vehicles we tested were worse than what the 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 2: sticker said. 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: So that's fuel consumption. How did they go with emissions. 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Well, there's two types of emissions, so CO two greenhouse gases. 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: That's completely linear with fuel consumption. So the more fuel consumption, 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: the more CO two you have, But there's also toxic 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: emissions that not nitros oxides and hydrocarbons, et cetera that 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: you you see, you know that are bad for your health. 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: So CO two is bad for the for the climate, 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: and toxics are bad for your health. And twenty one 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: of the fifty eight cars we tested so far have 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: exceeded the parent or the incoming Australian regulatory limits for 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: those emissions as well, So it's not just more fuel consumption, 52 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: they are actually did you in a lot of instances? 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's the worry. If you're in the market 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: for a car at the moment. Should you look at 55 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: fuel consults, should you look at fuel full stuff? Should 56 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: you go hybrid, plug in hybrid or full ev? What's 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: the best solution for twenty twenty four? 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: Well, in South Australia, full EV is probably the probably 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: the way to go, and that is because we know 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: seventy five percent of our grid is green anyway, so 61 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: it's not like it's in the East Coast where that 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: powder that you're putting in your cars being made in 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: coul fired power station, so that the emissions has just 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: been burnt somewhere else. Hybrids are a way to go. 65 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: But even those labels you need to check because we 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: found that some of the Toyota hybrids that and Toyota 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: has a reputation for their hybrids, they didn't prepare, they 68 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: didn't perform as well as what they're as what their 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: stickers said either. And so i'd suggest that if anyone 70 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: is in the buying market right now, fuel consumption is 71 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: a major issue for you, if you go to the 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: website real World dot or dot AU, that'll list the 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: fiftate cars we've done so far, and they're all current vehicles, obviously, 74 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: and you can then make fact of that information in 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: your buying decision. 76 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: All right, that's good tonight, So realwild, dot org dot 77 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: I you the federal government is introducing new fuel standards 78 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: from next year, and you can set me straight. Here, 79 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: is it January or July they kick in. 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: It's been pushed out to July. And part of that 81 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: is the new Vehicle Emission Standards, which is essentially designed 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: to addectively prioritize very low emission vehicles EVS. Obviously is 83 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: one of those, and the way it works, in very 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: broad terms is if you're a car manufacturer and you 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: have five models a small, medium, and big youth sort 86 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: of range. It's going to take the average of all 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: of those vehicles, and if they're above a ser limit, 88 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: you pay a penalty on every car yourself. So what 89 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: that's designed to do is, if you want to keep 90 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: selling big fuel consumer assuming utes, you'll also need inside 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: of your product mix some very small zero emissions or 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: very low emission vehicles to offset them, and that'll push 93 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: a lot of the manufacturers into having more electric models. 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: I was going to say, presumably if they're selling those 95 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: bigger cars, they'll come at a premium because the extra 96 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: charge will be passed onto the consumer. 97 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's what it's designed to do by the government. 98 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: They're designed to say, really test the love affair with 99 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: the big vehicles. Now, if you're a business and a 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: tradee that needs it, then you'll stay with it because 101 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: it is a legitimate call that you need and you've 102 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: probably got some tax advantages for running that ute. But 103 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people are driving around and 104 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: be heavy vehicles that don't really need them, and they're 105 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: just doing it because they like them. And what this 106 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: will do is test how much they really like them, 107 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: because you will be paying more for them. If you 108 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: love it, you might have to pay for it. So 109 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: it's you know, we're the only country in the world 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: that's got a market of vehicles at the beginning that's 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: been getting heavier and more fuel can using more fuel, 112 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: and that's because of our love affair with SUVs. 113 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: All right, does a big RAM SUV and they're monster 114 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: trucks right there, They're pretty big. Do they weigh more 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: than a say, a Tesla REV. 116 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: They're all pretty heavy. So some of the tesselas are 117 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: about two point three ton the RAM, Yes, the RAM 118 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: would be heavier than them. Basically, a medium size EV 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: will be about the size, be about the weight of 120 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: a larger SUV, something like a play out, a pado 121 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: of that nature. All right, So that's basically because they're 122 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: carrying around half a ton of lithium ion battery are Yeah. 123 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, how long realistically, then, is it before we 124 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: start seeing a mileage tax for evs because as you 125 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: know that the fuel tax the excise just doesn't apply. 126 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: So how long before EV users start paying their way? 127 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, effectively, what's the federal government is doing is 128 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: looking at that. Now we've encouraged them to hurry up 129 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: and get to a position. Victoria's started doing it. That 130 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: became the subject of a high court challenge which they lost. 131 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: That they said, the view it's unconstitutional for you to 132 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: collect those taxes has to be done by the federal government. 133 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: And we know that the state governments now are apparently 134 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: working with the federal government work out how we get 135 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: a road user charge that may mean that everybody uses 136 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: the road actually base the fish. 137 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Hugh is called in with a question about 138 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: high quality fuel Huey digone macilumitary. 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: Guess do you need buy our open member number. 140 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: Listen. Last year we spoke and the governments also spoke 141 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: about the introduction of the higher standard quality unleaded petrol, 142 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: which is I in Europe. I believe we've gotten here 143 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: to ninety eight unleaded, but it must be abolishing the 144 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: ninety one unleaded even the ninety five. 145 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: Of that matter. How's that transferring the moment? What's going 146 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: to happen? And secondly, the current cars are running on 147 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: ninety one. I don't think they'd right to run on 148 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: ninety eight for the rest of their life. We'll probably 149 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: do the motors in So how are we going to 150 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: manage that with the current cars running on ninety one, 151 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 4: and when this new quality standard comes in for the 152 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: better quality peture, which affects the emissions. 153 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: There make it. 154 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: I can answer that there's two parts to that. The 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: quality fuel is related really to the amount of soulf 156 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: and that's been taken out of it, so that's one part, 157 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: and that won't really affect too much at all. Ninety 158 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: one's a funny sort of octane. Australia is probably the 159 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: only country in the world that used ninety one. Most 160 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: of the countries used ninety five, and that fuel will 161 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: continue to be made as long as there's a market 162 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: for it. Obviously, those cars can run on the higher 163 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: ones without any problems, and as we saw when they 164 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: phased out a leather petrol, you know there was a 165 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: long transition period over decades. So if you're buying a 166 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: car today that's running on ninety one, you know, all 167 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: the infrastructure, everything's going to be still around for a 168 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: couple of decades to still be able to run those vehicles. 169 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: So it's not as though were going to lose them. 170 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: And a lot of people think that, you know, if 171 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 2: I put in ninety five or ninety eight into my car, 172 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: it's good for it. The reality is, if it's only 173 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: designed for ninety one, or if it's designed for ninety five, 174 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: that's all it needs. Anything you put in above it, 175 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: which is dera is going to have not going to 176 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: have any effect on your car that's measurable, and you're 177 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: just going to be paying. 178 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: More for interesting because I've switched to ninety eight a 179 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, thinking it is better for the engine, 180 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: but not necessarily. 181 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: No, So what happens is they all haven't. They'll meet 182 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: the same standards. Effectively, you have a knock sensor in 183 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: there that determines whether you've got enough octane rating to 184 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: do it if it's if it's got ninety if it's 185 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: designed for ninety five, and the sensors of the design 186 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: for ninety five, it'll run it optimized like that. If 187 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: you've got put ninety eight in it, the car won't 188 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: know the difference and the amount of any all of 189 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: these fuels have got. It's almost exactly the same amount 190 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: of energy in them. Octane rating is just a measure 191 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: of how they burn, not how much energy they Interesting. 192 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: All right, I'll switch back to ninety one and save 193 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: a few bucks. Yeah yeah, yeah, excellent. All right, great 194 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: having you on Mark as always, thank you, thanks for 195 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: interest mate. That's Mark Borleys from the RAA on many 196 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: of Australia's most popular vehicles using more fuel than they advertise.