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<v Speaker 1>Approache production.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no evidence linking any other person.

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<v Speaker 3>To her death.

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<v Speaker 2>That's bulls it. Where there's heaps of evidence linking other

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<v Speaker 2>people to Eden's death, you people don't want to have

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<v Speaker 2>an inquest because we actually will have evidence.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop the games.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's find out what happened to Eden on that night,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's documents the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>That's Jason Westbrook, and as you can tell, both him

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<v Speaker 5>and his wife Amanda are angry and annoyed. I'll get

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<v Speaker 5>to why later in this episode, but I thought we

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<v Speaker 5>might start this episode with some good news, and given

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<v Speaker 5>that lots of people have been listening to the show

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<v Speaker 5>for a long time, it's a bit of a reflection

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<v Speaker 5>on the last twelve months, as this is most likely

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<v Speaker 5>the last episode for this year. In the last episode,

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<v Speaker 5>you heard Jackie Lamby's in passion plea in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 5>Few days after that, it was raised by another member

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<v Speaker 5>in the Tasmanian Parliament. We'll get to that speech by

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<v Speaker 5>Andrew Jenna shortly. First, I want to say thanks to

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<v Speaker 5>anyone that's been with the show from the start, or

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<v Speaker 5>maybe you've just joined us. I know that it might

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<v Speaker 5>feel that we're no closer than we were when we

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<v Speaker 5>started almost forty episodes ago. Your support of the podcast

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<v Speaker 5>and of course Jason and Amanda's story has helped drive

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<v Speaker 5>them to want more answers and also show them that

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<v Speaker 5>they have the support of the people. It doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 5>like they've got the support of some Tasmanian institutions. On

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<v Speaker 5>a side note, Our Little Edie has been voted by

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<v Speaker 5>Apple Podcast in Australia and New Zealand as one of

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<v Speaker 5>the best series podcasts for twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations mate, that's why you brought it to the world

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<v Speaker 2>and you deserve that. Well done. Thank you, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's us so I think it's your story

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<v Speaker 5>that you've allowed us to tell.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, we did come out here

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<v Speaker 3>and we said we're just going to put our parts

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<v Speaker 3>on the table. Was going to be transparent as.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've brought this this touchy subject to mant and

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<v Speaker 2>center of the country in the sense you know the reponse.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if anyone else to send the response from.

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<v Speaker 2>People on a weekly weekly people right to it.

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<v Speaker 3>A wide demographic too. It's not just one genre of

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<v Speaker 3>persons it's coming from or yes, and the things that

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing is just like super cue.

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<v Speaker 5>The one that I that I'm thinking about right now

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<v Speaker 5>is the one you sent a couple of weeks back,

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<v Speaker 5>which was the young couple that were heading to Tazzy

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<v Speaker 5>on a weekend away.

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<v Speaker 6>I've never met them, didn't get to meet them, but

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<v Speaker 6>they went to the park and paid their respect through

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<v Speaker 6>Eden and in so put a little segment on their

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<v Speaker 6>own YouTube channel and spoke of the how we actually.

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<v Speaker 7>Know this town quite well due to a podcast that

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<v Speaker 7>we used to watch. I'll listened to was about a

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<v Speaker 7>young girl that that died here, fifteen year old girl. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>if you get the opportunity to listen to that podcast,

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<v Speaker 7>because there's a bit of stuff that went went on

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<v Speaker 7>there that's not quite right. And it's a beautiful little town,

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<v Speaker 7>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just googled it.

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<v Speaker 7>It happened in February twenty fifteen, so next year'll be

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<v Speaker 7>ten years since she passed away.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow. In the main street.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the school bus was going past the next day

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<v Speaker 7>and she's there in the main street.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can see by when they arrived and they're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the podcast and our little eating. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a just a general conversation. It feels like, however,

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<v Speaker 3>when they actually are at the park, there's a somber

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<v Speaker 3>in their motion, in their language, in their bodies, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit hard to believe when you're at

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<v Speaker 3>the location.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a weird feeling to be here. So obviously there

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<v Speaker 5>was a big tree here where her body was and

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<v Speaker 5>they've knocked it down now memorial.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's right as you say, as they say in

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, it's right.

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<v Speaker 7>In the middle of down town. Yeah, so a school

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<v Speaker 7>bus was going to school.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was super nice, really nice that people are stopping

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<v Speaker 2>and looking at Leedens Park or the Fishermen's Memorial Park

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<v Speaker 2>and they're paying respects to Eden and obviously they're reading

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<v Speaker 2>the names on the rocks of the fishermen.

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<v Speaker 8>And you see this day when we drive past, there's

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<v Speaker 8>people always at that park paying respects to not only

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<v Speaker 8>Even but to the Fisherman, Which that gives us a

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<v Speaker 8>little bit of a good feeling, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>We see lots of emails and well wishes from people

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<v Speaker 5>right across the world lending support to Jason and Amanda

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<v Speaker 5>and their family. Most of heartfelt. It's emails that want

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<v Speaker 5>to say, don't give up, keep fighting. We're behind you, Jason.

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<v Speaker 5>Amanda also told me about some stickers that someone has

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<v Speaker 5>produced to help them search for the truth, and.

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<v Speaker 3>A little badge too. They just super cute and a

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<v Speaker 3>couple from Swansea and they don't want any who are

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<v Speaker 3>about it. They just you know, sort of be a

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<v Speaker 3>fun way to get things out there. They know a

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<v Speaker 3>graphic designer. They've come together.

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<v Speaker 2>We've ended up with about one hundred and fifty stickers

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<v Speaker 2>sent to us by this lovely couple from Swansea, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we've obviously put three on our vehicle. We put

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<v Speaker 2>a post up that if anybody would like to support

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<v Speaker 2>of the True three D, feel free and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>them to you. So we were inundated that day with

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<v Speaker 2>people wanting them, and because they are in a state

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<v Speaker 2>or they are out of state, some across the world,

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<v Speaker 2>we said, oh, look, we're happy to put them in

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<v Speaker 2>a post and send them to you. So I go

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<v Speaker 2>down to the post office and I have to buy

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<v Speaker 2>envelopes and then I'm seeing the stamps and I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>how many hours I've to about fifty envelopes I had

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<v Speaker 2>to send out. And as I'm looking at the stamps,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the Christmas stamps for sixty five stamps, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, oh, that's great. I'll just buy a sheet

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<v Speaker 2>of Christmas stamps. Then it's Christmas and I'll stick the

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<v Speaker 2>sticker in. And the lady's saying to me, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing with that, because I was asking by a

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<v Speaker 2>packet of one hundred envelopes and I said, I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>going to send these stickers in the envelopes to people

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<v Speaker 2>that are wanting them. And she says, well, they're only

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five cents if they're a Christmas card and I said, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>but i'll put them in a Christmas card. She said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't feel like a Christmas card, so it will

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<v Speaker 2>be a dollar fifty per enveld. I said, look, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to send them from here. I'll buy

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<v Speaker 2>the envelopes, but I'm going to go and buy Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>cards and i'll do it myself and I'll make sure

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<v Speaker 2>I don't send it from here. And the lady sort

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<v Speaker 2>of said, yeah, okay, see you later. So I bought

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty or forty sixty five cent stamps, went and

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<v Speaker 2>bought ten cards packs, a couple of ten color four

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<v Speaker 2>ten card backs, put the fifty five stamps on, put

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<v Speaker 2>the sticker in the card and wrote a little note

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<v Speaker 2>to each and everyone that wanted one cent. And last

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<v Speaker 2>week we sent them out to people that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know day and we wrote a little thing thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for your kind words, your thoughts and your support or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever was written on the card. I love them best,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the word family twenty twenty four. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>they're now being received. So we're getting these messages back

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<v Speaker 2>from the people that have requested them, and they've got

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<v Speaker 2>them in their mailbox. They've not only got the stickers,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a Christmas card from us, which is something

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<v Speaker 2>we normally can't doj No. It's been really a nice

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<v Speaker 2>energy around the stickers, and we're getting people sending pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of them putting them on their car.

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<v Speaker 5>These calls that I do with Jason and Amanda are

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<v Speaker 5>for the podcast, but they're also a bit of a

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<v Speaker 5>catch up to see what's been happening. And on this

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<v Speaker 5>particular call, though, we're about to get to the audio

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<v Speaker 5>you heard earlier when Jason was annoyed. Let's first get

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<v Speaker 5>some more good news from the Westbrook family.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to prove to build a house last week days.

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<v Speaker 2>I am counting every dollar.

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<v Speaker 5>Mate, That's awesome. So when do you start building?

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<v Speaker 2>When it started? The concreteors that arrive in next week,

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<v Speaker 2>doing our profiles and form work, and we're doing that

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<v Speaker 2>over a couple of weekends. We'll have the slab pulled

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<v Speaker 2>by mid January. We're both registered homeowner builders the courses,

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<v Speaker 2>We've got our permits, we've got our insurances, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>super proud of where we sit right now today. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be our little retirement home that

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<v Speaker 2>a man and I will live for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>our jolly lives together.

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<v Speaker 5>You heard Jackie Lamby in the Senate in the last

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<v Speaker 5>episode and her impassioned plea for the police and the

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<v Speaker 5>coroner to release the autopsy photos and reopen an inquest

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<v Speaker 5>into this case. A few days after that, in the

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<v Speaker 5>Tasmanian Parliament, Andrew Jenner, who's the member for the Jackie

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<v Speaker 5>Lamby Network in Lyone in Tasmania, tabled the petition that

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<v Speaker 5>we've been running online. This is a transcript of mister

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<v Speaker 5>Jenner in Parliament. These are his exact words, but not

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<v Speaker 5>his voice.

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<v Speaker 1>I rise today to speak on the tragic death of

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<v Speaker 1>Eden Westbrook in Saint Helen's in twenty fifteen. I stand

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<v Speaker 1>to call for an independent public inquiry under the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>of Eden's death and the way in which the investorsation

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<v Speaker 1>was handled. Despite their persistent efforts, they have been repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>denied access to key information, specifically the autopsy photos needed

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<v Speaker 1>for an independent forensic expert to complete this review of

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<v Speaker 1>the case. There is nothing to prevent the coroner or

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Magistrate from releasing the autopsy photos, yet, despite genuine

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<v Speaker 1>reasons having been provided, the release of these photos has

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<v Speaker 1>been refused. The family has raised serious legitimate concerns about

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<v Speaker 1>the thoroughness of the investigation. The Westbrook family is asking

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<v Speaker 1>for an independent inquest. This is not an unreasonable request.

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<v Speaker 1>If the current legislation prevents the Attorney General from directing

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<v Speaker 1>the Coroner in appropriate circumstances to direct an inquest to

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<v Speaker 1>be held, then it is entirely appropriate to consider a

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<v Speaker 1>change in the law. I call on the Attorney General

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<v Speaker 1>to reform the current Coroners Act nineteen ninety five. It

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<v Speaker 1>is antiquated and not fit for purpose. The Act must

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<v Speaker 1>minimize unnecessary traumata family members by making the coronial process

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<v Speaker 1>easier and less adversarial.

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<v Speaker 5>Back at the start of November, Jason and Amanda had

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<v Speaker 5>sent two letters to the Commissioner of Police in Tasmania,

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<v Speaker 5>and as of Monday, the two of December, they had

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<v Speaker 5>not yet heard back. They asked questions to the Commissioner

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<v Speaker 5>about the rope and what and if it had been

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<v Speaker 5>DNA tested. With no response in almost a month, they

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<v Speaker 5>reached out to the Police Minister, and then the next

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<v Speaker 5>day a letter arrives from the Assistant Commissioner of Police.

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<v Speaker 5>It's this letter that frustrated Jason and Amanda, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I don't interrupt myself because it does pissed

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<v Speaker 2>me up a little bit when I read this, but

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank the best thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Westbook. I'm writing in response to your emails to Commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>Adams on the fifth and the nineteenth of November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four and on the fourth of December twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>The Missioner Adams referred your correspondence to me as I

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<v Speaker 2>oversee the operational side of Tasmanian Police. I've considered your

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<v Speaker 2>recent emails and past correspondence and recognized the toll Eden's

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<v Speaker 2>death has had on your family and assure you inquiries

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<v Speaker 2>have been made into all credible information that has been received.

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<v Speaker 2>It is important to note is the dance. I note

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<v Speaker 2>the corner. Olivia mctagget handed down her findings on the

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<v Speaker 2>thirty to September twenty sixteen. Chief Magistrate Katherine Geesen joins

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<v Speaker 2>the dance and considers this matter you raised on the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth of August twenty twenty twenty and then on the

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<v Speaker 2>first of April twenty twenty two, and gave reason you

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons as to why the investigation would not be reopened.

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<v Speaker 2>This was again reiterated by the currents Court on the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth of September twenty twenty four, where again they sprailed

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<v Speaker 2>it all over their website. I again confirmed that Tasmanian

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<v Speaker 2>Police is not in possession of any evidence that suggested

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<v Speaker 2>Seden's death is any other than a suicide, and there

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<v Speaker 2>is no evidence linking any other person to death. Now quickly, Jar,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, they really need to stop

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<v Speaker 2>patronizing and condescending me with correspondence of the same narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got to stop insulting our intelligence. We're not children, Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>We're adults. Where I'm actually a grandfather, a father I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five. I'm not a child, and they need to

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<v Speaker 2>stop treating me like I'm a dissatisfied, breathing parent. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not anymore. Mate. I'm obviously going to agree for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of my life. I'm actually a dad that's getting

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<v Speaker 2>going to find the truth out what happened to his

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<v Speaker 2>daughter on the night she went out, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to stop. And the last thing by them putting

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<v Speaker 2>all this up and going back in the seventeenth Decetember

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four where it was reiterated by the coroner

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<v Speaker 2>and put up on their website. They're doing this because

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying this will restore the fate in the Tasmanian people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what day not restoring faith. It bactually

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<v Speaker 2>chose poor Kate. Because what they're brawling and what they're

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<v Speaker 2>putting is fault. Eden did not die on the seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that she died on the eighteenth. Can't You

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<v Speaker 2>can't rather stamp that. You've got to open up about

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<v Speaker 2>it alone. You can't say Kate isn't a person of interest.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't say all the people that Nae Kate was

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<v Speaker 2>with Eden on the night aren't credible. There's too many

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<v Speaker 2>The police obviously don't know how many people we know

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<v Speaker 2>were with Kate and have God given us statements on

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<v Speaker 2>that Kate was with Eden after midnight, and we also

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<v Speaker 2>got the screenshots of Kate stating she was with Eden

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<v Speaker 2>until five am. She also at the vigil, she tells

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<v Speaker 2>A man and I again that she was with Eden.

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<v Speaker 2>She specifically tells me times and she was the first

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<v Speaker 2>to see Eden. She went to the police house. She

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<v Speaker 2>tells me things that whether it's true or false. She

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<v Speaker 2>tells Eden's dad this, She approaches Bobby Lee, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just days after. There's too much spotlight on Kate Mate.

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<v Speaker 2>So for this rhetoric or this narrative to say there's

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<v Speaker 2>no where is it again there is no evidence linking

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<v Speaker 2>any other person to her death? That's bullshit because where

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<v Speaker 2>there's heaps of evidence linking other people to Eden's death.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only way we're going to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>truth Pasmanian Police and the Tasmanian Currner's office is if

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<v Speaker 2>we have an inquest. You people don't want to have

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<v Speaker 2>an inquest because we actually will have evidence that will

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<v Speaker 2>put someone to the death of Eden. So let's just

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<v Speaker 2>stop the games and get a date, right, Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>let's get Kate form of the interviewed, Let's find out

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to Eden on that night, and let's document

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<v Speaker 2>the truth because we're not going away.

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<v Speaker 4>Jane, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>From a bit even a bit passionate, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>frustrating to get another narrative copy and pasted letter from

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<v Speaker 2>another Tasmanian police officer. I couldn't do this files in

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<v Speaker 2>that position.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's nothing to hide, Let's just stop the games, Jay,

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<v Speaker 4>and give the forensic pathologist what he needs to finish

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<v Speaker 4>his report so we can make our next steps to

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<v Speaker 4>reopening this case or having an inquest into it.

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<v Speaker 2>At least, what are they afraid of? It's bigger than

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<v Speaker 2>eed it this Jay, I believe there's many families that

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<v Speaker 2>would like to see the autopsy photos that have been told.

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<v Speaker 5>Ny Amanda told me of a beautiful idea that she

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<v Speaker 5>has and is trying to push through when it comes

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<v Speaker 5>to children's deaths, especially when they're being investigated by either

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<v Speaker 5>a coroner or police. The idea is to signify that

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<v Speaker 5>these deaths should be treated with the utmost care and empathy.

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<v Speaker 3>Eating file should have been wrapped around with a ribbon

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<v Speaker 3>stating that this is a child's case, and that with

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<v Speaker 3>the ribbon wrapped around it, it states that it's never

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<v Speaker 3>big questioned because the ribbon signifies how thorough a job

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<v Speaker 3>would be done at the death of a child. And

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<v Speaker 3>all my girls were ribbons in their hair and they

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<v Speaker 3>all still do. So. To put a ribbon around a

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<v Speaker 3>child's file, whether it's virtual or a real life ribbon,

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<v Speaker 3>when we go in to get the coroner's a change,

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<v Speaker 3>and coroner.

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<v Speaker 2>We will, we will.

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<v Speaker 3>And we will be asking for that a virtual ribbon

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<v Speaker 3>if it's on file on a virtual a computer, or

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<v Speaker 3>a real life ribbon around the file of a child

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<v Speaker 3>death affairs. You might say, and the coroner, I might

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<v Speaker 3>remind them that they did say that we could have

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<v Speaker 3>the autopsy photos, the slide, the scrapings for everything. They

0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:11.241
<v Speaker 3>documented that. They wrote that to Channel nine firing colins,

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<v Speaker 3>and they didn't put it in. So for them to

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<v Speaker 3>write it and then leave it absence, why are we

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<v Speaker 3>having this discussion that we need to obtain it when

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<v Speaker 3>they already said that we could have it, just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>add it in the paperwork. It's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>contradiction in their behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they think they can, maybe they decide to

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<v Speaker 2>give it to us for Christmas, and they might want

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<v Speaker 2>to hurt us.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not going to hurt us, Jake, because the man

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<v Speaker 4>I are going to look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're actually going to hand it over to the professionals

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<v Speaker 2>and the experts and they will tell us what it reads.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're not hurting Jason and Amanda by giving it

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<v Speaker 2>to us for Christmas or holding it back. You're hurting

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<v Speaker 2>the people that need to know what happened to Eden

0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.161
<v Speaker 2>on that night. And that's not just Jason and Amanda.

0:18:01.321 --> 0:18:05.400
<v Speaker 2>That's Eden's siblings, and that's Eden's friends, Eden's family, and

0:18:05.561 --> 0:18:09.001
<v Speaker 2>Eden's friends and now Dan's family of friends on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>All these people need to know what happened to Eden,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all deserve to know. J and I assure

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<v Speaker 2>you mate, we're not going away.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was a time here when we polarized Saint

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<v Speaker 3>Helen's and in fact Tasmania with this subject. However, ten

0:18:24.001 --> 0:18:27.640
<v Speaker 3>years down the track, nobody believes this child killed themselves

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<v Speaker 3>but the police and the coroner. So what does that

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<v Speaker 3>say about the police and the coroner's ethics conduct investigative processes?

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<v Speaker 3>You know when a commoner, when ordinary people logically say, now,

0:18:44.561 --> 0:18:47.241
<v Speaker 3>this is really somebody that got murdered. And now I

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<v Speaker 3>get people saying, well, we never thought that she'd killed herself, Amanda.

0:18:50.561 --> 0:18:52.481
<v Speaker 3>We never thought one of them would one of yours

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<v Speaker 3>to do that. This is different things that are getting said.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the last few weeks, I've had police in

0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.840
<v Speaker 3>uniforms publicly come to me and shake my hand and

0:19:01.921 --> 0:19:06.801
<v Speaker 3>thank me very much because their workplace is currently toxic.

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<v Speaker 5>As this is the last episode before Christmas, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>feel like Jason and Amanda are getting anything before twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five. Christmas has become a time for reflection at

0:19:20.521 --> 0:19:25.041
<v Speaker 5>a time with their now large, growing family with grandkids

0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:30.241
<v Speaker 5>and partners. However, after almost ten years, there is still

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<v Speaker 5>one chair not occupied this Christmas at the Westbrook house.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a blast, truly, nothing's going to

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<v Speaker 2>ruin our Christmas. This year. We've got Jack and Hunter

0:19:41.041 --> 0:19:45.481
<v Speaker 2>flying in on the nineteenth. Jack can't sleep already, he's

0:19:45.481 --> 0:19:47.721
<v Speaker 2>that excited because this is his first Christmas he gets

0:19:47.761 --> 0:19:51.321
<v Speaker 2>to spend with the Westbrook family, where fortunate enough, Bobby,

0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.001
<v Speaker 2>Lee and Jared have a beautiful mansion at the moment

0:19:55.001 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 2>with an inground swimming pool that they've got a three

0:19:57.761 --> 0:20:01.241
<v Speaker 2>year lease on. So we've decided that's the appropriate place

0:20:01.321 --> 0:20:04.441
<v Speaker 2>to have Christmas and we're going to have a Christmas

0:20:04.481 --> 0:20:08.960
<v Speaker 2>full part with all the family. Sky Yeah, Skye and

0:20:08.961 --> 0:20:12.521
<v Speaker 2>Donna already here and yeah, we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>super super Christmas show.

0:20:14.281 --> 0:20:18.721
<v Speaker 3>It's stills and are excited and we're seeming up big time.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're just through Australians. Mate. But what we do,

0:20:21.441 --> 0:20:24.281
<v Speaker 2>because we're a family, we all stop at the same supermarket,

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.640
<v Speaker 2>we use the same rewards points, and we put all

0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.120
<v Speaker 2>that money together. So by Christmas it's actually up around

0:20:30.120 --> 0:20:32.360
<v Speaker 2>the three to four hundred dollars and that pays for

0:20:32.441 --> 0:20:35.041
<v Speaker 2>Christmas lunch for the family and everyone. Because we all

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.881
<v Speaker 2>shop at the same locations. That all adds up and

0:20:38.921 --> 0:20:41.241
<v Speaker 2>we've all contributed to lunch and you can get quite

0:20:41.281 --> 0:20:42.721
<v Speaker 2>the spread for three or four hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Jack, That is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Mery Christmas, guys, Yeah you too, mate, Merry Christmas.