1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approache production. 2 00:00:12,641 --> 00:00:15,601 Speaker 2: There is no evidence linking any other person. 3 00:00:15,321 --> 00:00:15,841 Speaker 3: To her death. 4 00:00:15,961 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: That's bulls it. Where there's heaps of evidence linking other 5 00:00:20,521 --> 00:00:24,121 Speaker 2: people to Eden's death, you people don't want to have 6 00:00:24,161 --> 00:00:26,721 Speaker 2: an inquest because we actually will have evidence. 7 00:00:28,641 --> 00:00:29,561 Speaker 4: Stop the games. 8 00:00:29,921 --> 00:00:32,721 Speaker 2: Let's find out what happened to Eden on that night, 9 00:00:32,841 --> 00:00:34,481 Speaker 2: and let's documents the truth. 10 00:00:36,201 --> 00:00:39,481 Speaker 5: That's Jason Westbrook, and as you can tell, both him 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 5: and his wife Amanda are angry and annoyed. I'll get 12 00:00:43,441 --> 00:00:45,961 Speaker 5: to why later in this episode, but I thought we 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,841 Speaker 5: might start this episode with some good news, and given 14 00:00:48,881 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 5: that lots of people have been listening to the show 15 00:00:51,161 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 5: for a long time, it's a bit of a reflection 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,681 Speaker 5: on the last twelve months, as this is most likely 17 00:00:56,761 --> 00:01:00,761 Speaker 5: the last episode for this year. In the last episode, 18 00:01:00,761 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 5: you heard Jackie Lamby's in passion plea in the Senate. 19 00:01:05,041 --> 00:01:07,761 Speaker 5: Few days after that, it was raised by another member 20 00:01:08,041 --> 00:01:10,761 Speaker 5: in the Tasmanian Parliament. We'll get to that speech by 21 00:01:10,761 --> 00:01:13,841 Speaker 5: Andrew Jenna shortly. First, I want to say thanks to 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,601 Speaker 5: anyone that's been with the show from the start, or 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 5: maybe you've just joined us. I know that it might 24 00:01:19,121 --> 00:01:21,121 Speaker 5: feel that we're no closer than we were when we 25 00:01:21,161 --> 00:01:24,961 Speaker 5: started almost forty episodes ago. Your support of the podcast 26 00:01:25,081 --> 00:01:28,401 Speaker 5: and of course Jason and Amanda's story has helped drive 27 00:01:28,481 --> 00:01:31,401 Speaker 5: them to want more answers and also show them that 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,761 Speaker 5: they have the support of the people. It doesn't seem 29 00:01:35,801 --> 00:01:43,361 Speaker 5: like they've got the support of some Tasmanian institutions. On 30 00:01:43,401 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 5: a side note, Our Little Edie has been voted by 31 00:01:46,241 --> 00:01:49,281 Speaker 5: Apple Podcast in Australia and New Zealand as one of 32 00:01:49,281 --> 00:01:51,561 Speaker 5: the best series podcasts for twenty twenty four. 33 00:01:52,161 --> 00:01:54,681 Speaker 2: Congratulations mate, that's why you brought it to the world 34 00:01:54,761 --> 00:01:57,961 Speaker 2: and you deserve that. Well done. Thank you, thanks so much. 35 00:01:58,001 --> 00:02:00,241 Speaker 5: I think it's us so I think it's your story 36 00:02:00,281 --> 00:02:01,601 Speaker 5: that you've allowed us to tell. 37 00:02:01,761 --> 00:02:03,801 Speaker 3: But at the same time, we did come out here 38 00:02:03,801 --> 00:02:05,361 Speaker 3: and we said we're just going to put our parts 39 00:02:05,401 --> 00:02:07,441 Speaker 3: on the table. Was going to be transparent as. 40 00:02:08,601 --> 00:02:12,441 Speaker 2: But you've brought this this touchy subject to mant and 41 00:02:12,521 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: center of the country in the sense you know the reponse. 42 00:02:16,561 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone else to send the response from. 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,841 Speaker 2: People on a weekly weekly people right to it. 44 00:02:25,081 --> 00:02:28,361 Speaker 3: A wide demographic too. It's not just one genre of 45 00:02:28,481 --> 00:02:33,161 Speaker 3: persons it's coming from or yes, and the things that 46 00:02:33,201 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: they're doing is just like super cue. 47 00:02:36,161 --> 00:02:38,161 Speaker 5: The one that I that I'm thinking about right now 48 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:39,921 Speaker 5: is the one you sent a couple of weeks back, 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,761 Speaker 5: which was the young couple that were heading to Tazzy 50 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,681 Speaker 5: on a weekend away. 51 00:02:44,121 --> 00:02:45,881 Speaker 6: I've never met them, didn't get to meet them, but 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,961 Speaker 6: they went to the park and paid their respect through 53 00:02:48,161 --> 00:02:51,041 Speaker 6: Eden and in so put a little segment on their 54 00:02:51,081 --> 00:02:56,321 Speaker 6: own YouTube channel and spoke of the how we actually. 55 00:02:56,001 --> 00:02:58,321 Speaker 7: Know this town quite well due to a podcast that 56 00:02:58,361 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 7: we used to watch. I'll listened to was about a 57 00:03:00,721 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 7: young girl that that died here, fifteen year old girl. Yeah, 58 00:03:07,841 --> 00:03:09,761 Speaker 7: if you get the opportunity to listen to that podcast, 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,321 Speaker 7: because there's a bit of stuff that went went on 60 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:16,521 Speaker 7: there that's not quite right. And it's a beautiful little town, 61 00:03:17,161 --> 00:03:17,561 Speaker 7: isn't it. 62 00:03:17,881 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: I just googled it. 63 00:03:19,921 --> 00:03:24,441 Speaker 7: It happened in February twenty fifteen, so next year'll be 64 00:03:24,481 --> 00:03:25,801 Speaker 7: ten years since she passed away. 65 00:03:25,921 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 5: Wow. In the main street. 66 00:03:28,481 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, the school bus was going past the next day 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,881 Speaker 7: and she's there in the main street. 68 00:03:33,281 --> 00:03:35,801 Speaker 3: And you can see by when they arrived and they're 69 00:03:35,801 --> 00:03:42,201 Speaker 3: talking about the podcast and our little eating. It's a 70 00:03:42,281 --> 00:03:46,001 Speaker 3: sort of a just a general conversation. It feels like, however, 71 00:03:46,081 --> 00:03:49,961 Speaker 3: when they actually are at the park, there's a somber 72 00:03:50,161 --> 00:03:55,321 Speaker 3: in their motion, in their language, in their bodies, because 73 00:03:55,601 --> 00:03:57,441 Speaker 3: it's a little bit hard to believe when you're at 74 00:03:57,481 --> 00:03:57,961 Speaker 3: the location. 75 00:03:58,841 --> 00:04:01,121 Speaker 5: It's a weird feeling to be here. So obviously there 76 00:04:01,161 --> 00:04:03,681 Speaker 5: was a big tree here where her body was and 77 00:04:03,721 --> 00:04:05,681 Speaker 5: they've knocked it down now memorial. 78 00:04:06,281 --> 00:04:08,161 Speaker 2: But it's right as you say, as they say in 79 00:04:08,201 --> 00:04:09,801 Speaker 2: the podcast, it's right. 80 00:04:09,641 --> 00:04:12,681 Speaker 7: In the middle of down town. Yeah, so a school 81 00:04:12,681 --> 00:04:13,601 Speaker 7: bus was going to school. 82 00:04:13,761 --> 00:04:13,961 Speaker 3: Yeah. 83 00:04:14,001 --> 00:04:17,281 Speaker 2: It was super nice, really nice that people are stopping 84 00:04:17,361 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: and looking at Leedens Park or the Fishermen's Memorial Park 85 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,361 Speaker 2: and they're paying respects to Eden and obviously they're reading 86 00:04:25,361 --> 00:04:27,121 Speaker 2: the names on the rocks of the fishermen. 87 00:04:27,241 --> 00:04:30,361 Speaker 8: And you see this day when we drive past, there's 88 00:04:30,401 --> 00:04:34,241 Speaker 8: people always at that park paying respects to not only 89 00:04:34,281 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 8: Even but to the Fisherman, Which that gives us a 90 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,281 Speaker 8: little bit of a good feeling, doesn't it. 91 00:04:40,001 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: We see lots of emails and well wishes from people 92 00:04:42,641 --> 00:04:46,241 Speaker 5: right across the world lending support to Jason and Amanda 93 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,681 Speaker 5: and their family. Most of heartfelt. It's emails that want 94 00:04:50,681 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 5: to say, don't give up, keep fighting. We're behind you, Jason. 95 00:04:54,361 --> 00:04:58,041 Speaker 5: Amanda also told me about some stickers that someone has 96 00:04:58,081 --> 00:05:01,881 Speaker 5: produced to help them search for the truth, and. 97 00:05:02,161 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: A little badge too. They just super cute and a 98 00:05:06,481 --> 00:05:10,041 Speaker 3: couple from Swansea and they don't want any who are 99 00:05:10,081 --> 00:05:12,601 Speaker 3: about it. They just you know, sort of be a 100 00:05:12,761 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: fun way to get things out there. They know a 101 00:05:16,281 --> 00:05:18,281 Speaker 3: graphic designer. They've come together. 102 00:05:18,841 --> 00:05:21,161 Speaker 2: We've ended up with about one hundred and fifty stickers 103 00:05:21,161 --> 00:05:23,961 Speaker 2: sent to us by this lovely couple from Swansea, and 104 00:05:24,001 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: so we've obviously put three on our vehicle. We put 105 00:05:27,121 --> 00:05:29,481 Speaker 2: a post up that if anybody would like to support 106 00:05:29,601 --> 00:05:31,801 Speaker 2: of the True three D, feel free and we'll get 107 00:05:31,801 --> 00:05:34,001 Speaker 2: them to you. So we were inundated that day with 108 00:05:34,281 --> 00:05:36,601 Speaker 2: people wanting them, and because they are in a state 109 00:05:36,681 --> 00:05:39,001 Speaker 2: or they are out of state, some across the world, 110 00:05:39,841 --> 00:05:41,921 Speaker 2: we said, oh, look, we're happy to put them in 111 00:05:41,961 --> 00:05:44,001 Speaker 2: a post and send them to you. So I go 112 00:05:44,161 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: down to the post office and I have to buy 113 00:05:47,161 --> 00:05:50,121 Speaker 2: envelopes and then I'm seeing the stamps and I'm thinking 114 00:05:50,121 --> 00:05:52,161 Speaker 2: how many hours I've to about fifty envelopes I had 115 00:05:52,161 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: to send out. And as I'm looking at the stamps, 116 00:05:54,201 --> 00:05:57,081 Speaker 2: I saw the Christmas stamps for sixty five stamps, and 117 00:05:57,121 --> 00:05:58,961 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, that's great. I'll just buy a sheet 118 00:05:58,961 --> 00:06:01,121 Speaker 2: of Christmas stamps. Then it's Christmas and I'll stick the 119 00:06:01,121 --> 00:06:03,641 Speaker 2: sticker in. And the lady's saying to me, what are 120 00:06:03,641 --> 00:06:06,161 Speaker 2: you doing with that, because I was asking by a 121 00:06:06,161 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: packet of one hundred envelopes and I said, I'm actually 122 00:06:08,641 --> 00:06:11,121 Speaker 2: going to send these stickers in the envelopes to people 123 00:06:11,121 --> 00:06:14,241 Speaker 2: that are wanting them. And she says, well, they're only 124 00:06:14,281 --> 00:06:18,161 Speaker 2: sixty five cents if they're a Christmas card and I said, ah, 125 00:06:18,281 --> 00:06:20,561 Speaker 2: but i'll put them in a Christmas card. She said, well, 126 00:06:20,561 --> 00:06:22,761 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like a Christmas card, so it will 127 00:06:22,801 --> 00:06:26,041 Speaker 2: be a dollar fifty per enveld. I said, look, actually, 128 00:06:26,081 --> 00:06:29,281 Speaker 2: I'm not going to send them from here. I'll buy 129 00:06:29,361 --> 00:06:31,161 Speaker 2: the envelopes, but I'm going to go and buy Christmas 130 00:06:31,201 --> 00:06:32,761 Speaker 2: cards and i'll do it myself and I'll make sure 131 00:06:32,761 --> 00:06:34,841 Speaker 2: I don't send it from here. And the lady sort 132 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,961 Speaker 2: of said, yeah, okay, see you later. So I bought 133 00:06:37,001 --> 00:06:41,401 Speaker 2: the twenty or forty sixty five cent stamps, went and 134 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,681 Speaker 2: bought ten cards packs, a couple of ten color four 135 00:06:44,761 --> 00:06:48,921 Speaker 2: ten card backs, put the fifty five stamps on, put 136 00:06:48,961 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: the sticker in the card and wrote a little note 137 00:06:51,681 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: to each and everyone that wanted one cent. And last 138 00:06:54,761 --> 00:06:56,921 Speaker 2: week we sent them out to people that we don't 139 00:06:56,961 --> 00:06:59,681 Speaker 2: even know day and we wrote a little thing thanks 140 00:06:59,681 --> 00:07:02,281 Speaker 2: for your kind words, your thoughts and your support or 141 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,481 Speaker 2: whatever was written on the card. I love them best, 142 00:07:04,481 --> 00:07:07,321 Speaker 2: which is the word family twenty twenty four. And we're 143 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,321 Speaker 2: they're now being received. So we're getting these messages back 144 00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:13,921 Speaker 2: from the people that have requested them, and they've got 145 00:07:13,921 --> 00:07:16,481 Speaker 2: them in their mailbox. They've not only got the stickers, 146 00:07:16,521 --> 00:07:18,921 Speaker 2: they've got a Christmas card from us, which is something 147 00:07:18,961 --> 00:07:22,121 Speaker 2: we normally can't doj No. It's been really a nice 148 00:07:22,801 --> 00:07:26,721 Speaker 2: energy around the stickers, and we're getting people sending pictures 149 00:07:26,761 --> 00:07:28,001 Speaker 2: of them putting them on their car. 150 00:07:29,001 --> 00:07:31,121 Speaker 5: These calls that I do with Jason and Amanda are 151 00:07:31,121 --> 00:07:33,121 Speaker 5: for the podcast, but they're also a bit of a 152 00:07:33,161 --> 00:07:35,641 Speaker 5: catch up to see what's been happening. And on this 153 00:07:35,681 --> 00:07:38,481 Speaker 5: particular call, though, we're about to get to the audio 154 00:07:38,521 --> 00:07:41,641 Speaker 5: you heard earlier when Jason was annoyed. Let's first get 155 00:07:41,721 --> 00:07:44,081 Speaker 5: some more good news from the Westbrook family. 156 00:07:45,561 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: We've got to prove to build a house last week days. 157 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:49,721 Speaker 2: I am counting every dollar. 158 00:07:49,481 --> 00:07:51,601 Speaker 5: Mate, That's awesome. So when do you start building? 159 00:07:53,041 --> 00:07:56,161 Speaker 2: When it started? The concreteors that arrive in next week, 160 00:07:56,521 --> 00:07:59,281 Speaker 2: doing our profiles and form work, and we're doing that 161 00:07:59,321 --> 00:08:01,561 Speaker 2: over a couple of weekends. We'll have the slab pulled 162 00:08:01,561 --> 00:08:05,921 Speaker 2: by mid January. We're both registered homeowner builders the courses, 163 00:08:06,281 --> 00:08:09,761 Speaker 2: We've got our permits, we've got our insurances, and we're 164 00:08:09,841 --> 00:08:12,321 Speaker 2: super proud of where we sit right now today. And 165 00:08:12,361 --> 00:08:14,241 Speaker 2: this is going to be our little retirement home that 166 00:08:14,401 --> 00:08:16,721 Speaker 2: a man and I will live for the rest of 167 00:08:16,761 --> 00:08:18,121 Speaker 2: our jolly lives together. 168 00:08:21,241 --> 00:08:23,761 Speaker 5: You heard Jackie Lamby in the Senate in the last 169 00:08:23,761 --> 00:08:27,361 Speaker 5: episode and her impassioned plea for the police and the 170 00:08:27,361 --> 00:08:32,641 Speaker 5: coroner to release the autopsy photos and reopen an inquest 171 00:08:32,801 --> 00:08:36,041 Speaker 5: into this case. A few days after that, in the 172 00:08:36,121 --> 00:08:40,041 Speaker 5: Tasmanian Parliament, Andrew Jenner, who's the member for the Jackie 173 00:08:40,121 --> 00:08:44,401 Speaker 5: Lamby Network in Lyone in Tasmania, tabled the petition that 174 00:08:44,441 --> 00:08:48,081 Speaker 5: we've been running online. This is a transcript of mister 175 00:08:48,161 --> 00:08:51,281 Speaker 5: Jenner in Parliament. These are his exact words, but not 176 00:08:51,361 --> 00:08:52,081 Speaker 5: his voice. 177 00:08:52,201 --> 00:08:54,801 Speaker 1: I rise today to speak on the tragic death of 178 00:08:54,921 --> 00:08:59,441 Speaker 1: Eden Westbrook in Saint Helen's in twenty fifteen. I stand 179 00:08:59,441 --> 00:09:02,721 Speaker 1: to call for an independent public inquiry under the circumstances 180 00:09:02,761 --> 00:09:05,321 Speaker 1: of Eden's death and the way in which the investorsation 181 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:11,601 Speaker 1: was handled. Despite their persistent efforts, they have been repeatedly 182 00:09:11,641 --> 00:09:16,041 Speaker 1: denied access to key information, specifically the autopsy photos needed 183 00:09:16,041 --> 00:09:18,961 Speaker 1: for an independent forensic expert to complete this review of 184 00:09:19,001 --> 00:09:25,481 Speaker 1: the case. There is nothing to prevent the coroner or 185 00:09:25,561 --> 00:09:29,601 Speaker 1: Chief Magistrate from releasing the autopsy photos, yet, despite genuine 186 00:09:29,681 --> 00:09:33,001 Speaker 1: reasons having been provided, the release of these photos has 187 00:09:33,081 --> 00:09:38,881 Speaker 1: been refused. The family has raised serious legitimate concerns about 188 00:09:38,881 --> 00:09:44,921 Speaker 1: the thoroughness of the investigation. The Westbrook family is asking 189 00:09:44,961 --> 00:09:48,921 Speaker 1: for an independent inquest. This is not an unreasonable request. 190 00:09:49,881 --> 00:09:52,921 Speaker 1: If the current legislation prevents the Attorney General from directing 191 00:09:52,921 --> 00:09:55,801 Speaker 1: the Coroner in appropriate circumstances to direct an inquest to 192 00:09:55,841 --> 00:09:58,681 Speaker 1: be held, then it is entirely appropriate to consider a 193 00:09:58,801 --> 00:10:02,121 Speaker 1: change in the law. I call on the Attorney General 194 00:10:02,121 --> 00:10:05,841 Speaker 1: to reform the current Coroners Act nineteen ninety five. It 195 00:10:05,921 --> 00:10:09,641 Speaker 1: is antiquated and not fit for purpose. The Act must 196 00:10:09,641 --> 00:10:14,161 Speaker 1: minimize unnecessary traumata family members by making the coronial process 197 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:16,721 Speaker 1: easier and less adversarial. 198 00:10:18,841 --> 00:10:22,121 Speaker 5: Back at the start of November, Jason and Amanda had 199 00:10:22,161 --> 00:10:25,721 Speaker 5: sent two letters to the Commissioner of Police in Tasmania, 200 00:10:26,041 --> 00:10:29,321 Speaker 5: and as of Monday, the two of December, they had 201 00:10:29,361 --> 00:10:32,681 Speaker 5: not yet heard back. They asked questions to the Commissioner 202 00:10:32,761 --> 00:10:35,481 Speaker 5: about the rope and what and if it had been 203 00:10:35,561 --> 00:10:39,681 Speaker 5: DNA tested. With no response in almost a month, they 204 00:10:39,721 --> 00:10:42,561 Speaker 5: reached out to the Police Minister, and then the next 205 00:10:42,641 --> 00:10:46,401 Speaker 5: day a letter arrives from the Assistant Commissioner of Police. 206 00:10:46,841 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 5: It's this letter that frustrated Jason and Amanda, and. 207 00:10:50,961 --> 00:10:53,281 Speaker 2: I hope I don't interrupt myself because it does pissed 208 00:10:53,281 --> 00:10:55,201 Speaker 2: me up a little bit when I read this, but 209 00:10:55,241 --> 00:10:55,561 Speaker 2: we'll go. 210 00:10:55,841 --> 00:10:56,601 Speaker 3: Thank the best thing. 211 00:10:58,641 --> 00:11:01,921 Speaker 2: Westbook. I'm writing in response to your emails to Commissioner 212 00:11:01,961 --> 00:11:04,481 Speaker 2: Adams on the fifth and the nineteenth of November twenty 213 00:11:04,841 --> 00:11:07,241 Speaker 2: four and on the fourth of December twenty twenty four. 214 00:11:07,721 --> 00:11:10,401 Speaker 2: The Missioner Adams referred your correspondence to me as I 215 00:11:10,561 --> 00:11:14,841 Speaker 2: oversee the operational side of Tasmanian Police. I've considered your 216 00:11:14,881 --> 00:11:19,241 Speaker 2: recent emails and past correspondence and recognized the toll Eden's 217 00:11:19,241 --> 00:11:22,761 Speaker 2: death has had on your family and assure you inquiries 218 00:11:22,761 --> 00:11:26,881 Speaker 2: have been made into all credible information that has been received. 219 00:11:27,921 --> 00:11:31,281 Speaker 2: It is important to note is the dance. I note 220 00:11:31,321 --> 00:11:33,961 Speaker 2: the corner. Olivia mctagget handed down her findings on the 221 00:11:33,961 --> 00:11:39,401 Speaker 2: thirty to September twenty sixteen. Chief Magistrate Katherine Geesen joins 222 00:11:39,441 --> 00:11:42,441 Speaker 2: the dance and considers this matter you raised on the 223 00:11:42,481 --> 00:11:45,281 Speaker 2: fifth of August twenty twenty twenty and then on the 224 00:11:45,281 --> 00:11:48,641 Speaker 2: first of April twenty twenty two, and gave reason you 225 00:11:48,761 --> 00:11:52,841 Speaker 2: the reasons as to why the investigation would not be reopened. 226 00:11:53,161 --> 00:11:56,481 Speaker 2: This was again reiterated by the currents Court on the 227 00:11:56,561 --> 00:12:00,041 Speaker 2: seventeenth of September twenty twenty four, where again they sprailed 228 00:12:00,041 --> 00:12:03,921 Speaker 2: it all over their website. I again confirmed that Tasmanian 229 00:12:03,961 --> 00:12:06,521 Speaker 2: Police is not in possession of any evidence that suggested 230 00:12:06,521 --> 00:12:10,321 Speaker 2: Seden's death is any other than a suicide, and there 231 00:12:10,441 --> 00:12:14,681 Speaker 2: is no evidence linking any other person to death. Now quickly, Jar, 232 00:12:14,801 --> 00:12:16,881 Speaker 2: I just want to say, they really need to stop 233 00:12:16,921 --> 00:12:21,321 Speaker 2: patronizing and condescending me with correspondence of the same narrative. 234 00:12:22,281 --> 00:12:26,121 Speaker 2: They've got to stop insulting our intelligence. We're not children, Jay, 235 00:12:26,121 --> 00:12:29,681 Speaker 2: We're adults. Where I'm actually a grandfather, a father I'm 236 00:12:29,681 --> 00:12:33,121 Speaker 2: fifty five. I'm not a child, and they need to 237 00:12:33,121 --> 00:12:36,961 Speaker 2: stop treating me like I'm a dissatisfied, breathing parent. I'm 238 00:12:37,001 --> 00:12:39,121 Speaker 2: not anymore. Mate. I'm obviously going to agree for the 239 00:12:39,161 --> 00:12:41,521 Speaker 2: rest of my life. I'm actually a dad that's getting 240 00:12:41,681 --> 00:12:43,241 Speaker 2: going to find the truth out what happened to his 241 00:12:43,321 --> 00:12:45,961 Speaker 2: daughter on the night she went out, and I'm not 242 00:12:46,041 --> 00:12:50,681 Speaker 2: going to stop. And the last thing by them putting 243 00:12:50,721 --> 00:12:53,641 Speaker 2: all this up and going back in the seventeenth Decetember 244 00:12:53,681 --> 00:12:56,201 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four where it was reiterated by the coroner 245 00:12:56,201 --> 00:12:59,041 Speaker 2: and put up on their website. They're doing this because 246 00:12:59,081 --> 00:13:02,881 Speaker 2: they're saying this will restore the fate in the Tasmanian people. 247 00:13:03,641 --> 00:13:07,481 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what day not restoring faith. It bactually 248 00:13:07,641 --> 00:13:11,841 Speaker 2: chose poor Kate. Because what they're brawling and what they're 249 00:13:11,881 --> 00:13:15,641 Speaker 2: putting is fault. Eden did not die on the seventeenth. 250 00:13:16,041 --> 00:13:18,841 Speaker 2: We know that she died on the eighteenth. Can't You 251 00:13:18,921 --> 00:13:21,881 Speaker 2: can't rather stamp that. You've got to open up about 252 00:13:21,881 --> 00:13:25,881 Speaker 2: it alone. You can't say Kate isn't a person of interest. 253 00:13:26,441 --> 00:13:28,841 Speaker 2: You can't say all the people that Nae Kate was 254 00:13:28,841 --> 00:13:31,001 Speaker 2: with Eden on the night aren't credible. There's too many 255 00:13:31,841 --> 00:13:34,281 Speaker 2: The police obviously don't know how many people we know 256 00:13:34,841 --> 00:13:37,961 Speaker 2: were with Kate and have God given us statements on 257 00:13:38,161 --> 00:13:41,961 Speaker 2: that Kate was with Eden after midnight, and we also 258 00:13:42,041 --> 00:13:45,121 Speaker 2: got the screenshots of Kate stating she was with Eden 259 00:13:45,201 --> 00:13:48,961 Speaker 2: until five am. She also at the vigil, she tells 260 00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:51,721 Speaker 2: A man and I again that she was with Eden. 261 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:55,681 Speaker 2: She specifically tells me times and she was the first 262 00:13:55,721 --> 00:13:58,241 Speaker 2: to see Eden. She went to the police house. She 263 00:13:58,281 --> 00:14:01,241 Speaker 2: tells me things that whether it's true or false. She 264 00:14:01,401 --> 00:14:05,481 Speaker 2: tells Eden's dad this, She approaches Bobby Lee, as you know, 265 00:14:05,801 --> 00:14:09,561 Speaker 2: just days after. There's too much spotlight on Kate Mate. 266 00:14:09,681 --> 00:14:12,121 Speaker 2: So for this rhetoric or this narrative to say there's 267 00:14:12,161 --> 00:14:17,001 Speaker 2: no where is it again there is no evidence linking 268 00:14:17,041 --> 00:14:20,441 Speaker 2: any other person to her death? That's bullshit because where 269 00:14:20,481 --> 00:14:22,881 Speaker 2: there's heaps of evidence linking other people to Eden's death. 270 00:14:23,361 --> 00:14:24,961 Speaker 2: And the only way we're going to get to the 271 00:14:25,001 --> 00:14:29,441 Speaker 2: truth Pasmanian Police and the Tasmanian Currner's office is if 272 00:14:29,481 --> 00:14:32,321 Speaker 2: we have an inquest. You people don't want to have 273 00:14:32,361 --> 00:14:35,801 Speaker 2: an inquest because we actually will have evidence that will 274 00:14:35,801 --> 00:14:38,321 Speaker 2: put someone to the death of Eden. So let's just 275 00:14:39,201 --> 00:14:43,681 Speaker 2: stop the games and get a date, right, Let's get 276 00:14:44,081 --> 00:14:46,641 Speaker 2: let's get Kate form of the interviewed, Let's find out 277 00:14:46,721 --> 00:14:49,921 Speaker 2: what happened to Eden on that night, and let's document 278 00:14:50,081 --> 00:14:52,521 Speaker 2: the truth because we're not going away. 279 00:14:52,601 --> 00:14:53,401 Speaker 4: Jane, I'm sorry. 280 00:14:53,241 --> 00:14:56,041 Speaker 2: From a bit even a bit passionate, but it was 281 00:14:56,241 --> 00:15:01,681 Speaker 2: frustrating to get another narrative copy and pasted letter from 282 00:15:01,761 --> 00:15:05,481 Speaker 2: another Tasmanian police officer. I couldn't do this files in 283 00:15:05,521 --> 00:15:06,081 Speaker 2: that position. 284 00:15:06,561 --> 00:15:10,201 Speaker 4: If there's nothing to hide, Let's just stop the games, Jay, 285 00:15:10,521 --> 00:15:13,641 Speaker 4: and give the forensic pathologist what he needs to finish 286 00:15:13,681 --> 00:15:16,961 Speaker 4: his report so we can make our next steps to 287 00:15:17,161 --> 00:15:20,441 Speaker 4: reopening this case or having an inquest into it. 288 00:15:20,561 --> 00:15:23,921 Speaker 2: At least, what are they afraid of? It's bigger than 289 00:15:23,921 --> 00:15:28,561 Speaker 2: eed it this Jay, I believe there's many families that 290 00:15:28,681 --> 00:15:31,721 Speaker 2: would like to see the autopsy photos that have been told. 291 00:15:31,921 --> 00:15:39,681 Speaker 5: Ny Amanda told me of a beautiful idea that she 292 00:15:39,841 --> 00:15:42,281 Speaker 5: has and is trying to push through when it comes 293 00:15:42,281 --> 00:15:46,441 Speaker 5: to children's deaths, especially when they're being investigated by either 294 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:50,761 Speaker 5: a coroner or police. The idea is to signify that 295 00:15:50,801 --> 00:15:54,761 Speaker 5: these deaths should be treated with the utmost care and empathy. 296 00:15:55,361 --> 00:16:00,881 Speaker 3: Eating file should have been wrapped around with a ribbon 297 00:16:02,401 --> 00:16:05,321 Speaker 3: stating that this is a child's case, and that with 298 00:16:05,521 --> 00:16:07,881 Speaker 3: the ribbon wrapped around it, it states that it's never 299 00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:12,601 Speaker 3: big questioned because the ribbon signifies how thorough a job 300 00:16:12,641 --> 00:16:16,601 Speaker 3: would be done at the death of a child. And 301 00:16:18,001 --> 00:16:19,961 Speaker 3: all my girls were ribbons in their hair and they 302 00:16:20,001 --> 00:16:24,681 Speaker 3: all still do. So. To put a ribbon around a 303 00:16:24,761 --> 00:16:28,161 Speaker 3: child's file, whether it's virtual or a real life ribbon, 304 00:16:30,161 --> 00:16:33,321 Speaker 3: when we go in to get the coroner's a change, 305 00:16:33,441 --> 00:16:35,001 Speaker 3: and coroner. 306 00:16:35,121 --> 00:16:36,601 Speaker 2: We will, we will. 307 00:16:36,881 --> 00:16:40,481 Speaker 3: And we will be asking for that a virtual ribbon 308 00:16:40,681 --> 00:16:43,641 Speaker 3: if it's on file on a virtual a computer, or 309 00:16:43,761 --> 00:16:46,841 Speaker 3: a real life ribbon around the file of a child 310 00:16:50,481 --> 00:16:54,961 Speaker 3: death affairs. You might say, and the coroner, I might 311 00:16:55,161 --> 00:16:58,321 Speaker 3: remind them that they did say that we could have 312 00:16:59,041 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: the autopsy photos, the slide, the scrapings for everything. They 313 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,241 Speaker 3: documented that. They wrote that to Channel nine firing colins, 314 00:17:11,961 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: and they didn't put it in. So for them to 315 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,961 Speaker 3: write it and then leave it absence, why are we 316 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: having this discussion that we need to obtain it when 317 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: they already said that we could have it, just didn't 318 00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:31,041 Speaker 3: add it in the paperwork. It's a bit of a 319 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: contradiction in their behavior. 320 00:17:33,441 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: And if they think they can, maybe they decide to 321 00:17:37,001 --> 00:17:40,441 Speaker 2: give it to us for Christmas, and they might want 322 00:17:40,441 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: to hurt us. 323 00:17:40,921 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 4: It's not going to hurt us, Jake, because the man 324 00:17:42,441 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 4: I are going to look at it. 325 00:17:43,481 --> 00:17:45,961 Speaker 2: We're actually going to hand it over to the professionals 326 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: and the experts and they will tell us what it reads. 327 00:17:50,521 --> 00:17:53,041 Speaker 2: So you're not hurting Jason and Amanda by giving it 328 00:17:53,041 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: to us for Christmas or holding it back. You're hurting 329 00:17:56,801 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: the people that need to know what happened to Eden 330 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,161 Speaker 2: on that night. And that's not just Jason and Amanda. 331 00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: That's Eden's siblings, and that's Eden's friends, Eden's family, and 332 00:18:05,561 --> 00:18:09,001 Speaker 2: Eden's friends and now Dan's family of friends on the podcast. 333 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,001 Speaker 2: All these people need to know what happened to Eden, 334 00:18:12,001 --> 00:18:14,281 Speaker 2: and we all deserve to know. J and I assure 335 00:18:14,321 --> 00:18:15,481 Speaker 2: you mate, we're not going away. 336 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,321 Speaker 3: And there was a time here when we polarized Saint 337 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:23,881 Speaker 3: Helen's and in fact Tasmania with this subject. However, ten 338 00:18:24,001 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: years down the track, nobody believes this child killed themselves 339 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: but the police and the coroner. So what does that 340 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:38,241 Speaker 3: say about the police and the coroner's ethics conduct investigative processes? 341 00:18:39,281 --> 00:18:44,441 Speaker 3: You know when a commoner, when ordinary people logically say, now, 342 00:18:44,561 --> 00:18:47,241 Speaker 3: this is really somebody that got murdered. And now I 343 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,281 Speaker 3: get people saying, well, we never thought that she'd killed herself, Amanda. 344 00:18:50,561 --> 00:18:52,481 Speaker 3: We never thought one of them would one of yours 345 00:18:52,521 --> 00:18:54,441 Speaker 3: to do that. This is different things that are getting said. 346 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 3: And in the last few weeks, I've had police in 347 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: uniforms publicly come to me and shake my hand and 348 00:19:01,921 --> 00:19:06,801 Speaker 3: thank me very much because their workplace is currently toxic. 349 00:19:09,681 --> 00:19:12,761 Speaker 5: As this is the last episode before Christmas, it doesn't 350 00:19:12,801 --> 00:19:16,201 Speaker 5: feel like Jason and Amanda are getting anything before twenty 351 00:19:16,241 --> 00:19:20,521 Speaker 5: twenty five. Christmas has become a time for reflection at 352 00:19:20,521 --> 00:19:25,041 Speaker 5: a time with their now large, growing family with grandkids 353 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,241 Speaker 5: and partners. However, after almost ten years, there is still 354 00:19:30,281 --> 00:19:34,321 Speaker 5: one chair not occupied this Christmas at the Westbrook house. 355 00:19:35,681 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: It's going to be a blast, truly, nothing's going to 356 00:19:38,441 --> 00:19:41,001 Speaker 2: ruin our Christmas. This year. We've got Jack and Hunter 357 00:19:41,041 --> 00:19:45,481 Speaker 2: flying in on the nineteenth. Jack can't sleep already, he's 358 00:19:45,481 --> 00:19:47,721 Speaker 2: that excited because this is his first Christmas he gets 359 00:19:47,761 --> 00:19:51,321 Speaker 2: to spend with the Westbrook family, where fortunate enough, Bobby, 360 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,001 Speaker 2: Lee and Jared have a beautiful mansion at the moment 361 00:19:55,001 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: with an inground swimming pool that they've got a three 362 00:19:57,761 --> 00:20:01,241 Speaker 2: year lease on. So we've decided that's the appropriate place 363 00:20:01,321 --> 00:20:04,441 Speaker 2: to have Christmas and we're going to have a Christmas 364 00:20:04,481 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: full part with all the family. Sky Yeah, Skye and 365 00:20:08,961 --> 00:20:12,521 Speaker 2: Donna already here and yeah, we're going to have a 366 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,121 Speaker 2: super super Christmas show. 367 00:20:14,281 --> 00:20:18,721 Speaker 3: It's stills and are excited and we're seeming up big time. 368 00:20:18,561 --> 00:20:21,401 Speaker 2: And we're just through Australians. Mate. But what we do, 369 00:20:21,441 --> 00:20:24,281 Speaker 2: because we're a family, we all stop at the same supermarket, 370 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: we use the same rewards points, and we put all 371 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 2: that money together. So by Christmas it's actually up around 372 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 2: the three to four hundred dollars and that pays for 373 00:20:32,441 --> 00:20:35,041 Speaker 2: Christmas lunch for the family and everyone. Because we all 374 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,881 Speaker 2: shop at the same locations. That all adds up and 375 00:20:38,921 --> 00:20:41,241 Speaker 2: we've all contributed to lunch and you can get quite 376 00:20:41,281 --> 00:20:42,721 Speaker 2: the spread for three or four hundred dollars. 377 00:20:42,801 --> 00:20:43,761 Speaker 5: Jack, That is awesome. 378 00:20:43,801 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: Mery Christmas, guys, Yeah you too, mate, Merry Christmas.