WEBVTT - Sudden Death Drama 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.639 Hello, Welcome to the Dally Teller in our old podcast 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.560 on Brent Reed, joined by Tim Pam Whaley. It's a 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.520 Monday morning. Been a great weekend Openly week at the finals. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:23.520 We saw some awesome performances, a couple of cracking games. Yeah, 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.400 we should start with the best of him. My record 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.640 was the best of them. Bulldogs Manly on Sunday Storm. No, 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.000 they were very good. We'll get to them. They were 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.040 very good. But that was a great game. I thought 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.479 it was a great game at of Course Stadium. It's 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.760 a great atmosphere, fifty thousand people there for it when 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.040 the Dogs are back. Rugby League's back. They didn't win, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.120 but I thought I thought they were the better team 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.040 for most of this game. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.320 They really were. They were, and considering how bad they 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.360 amountly exposed them a couple of weeks ago, I was 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.320 slightly worried for Canterbury, but they any doubters over the 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.280 you know, the so called two small paths they don't 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.920 have the physicality. They completely put that to bed. They 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.360 dominated Manny in that aspect. Many were you know, one 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.160 out can barely get over their line. Defensively, they were good. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.640 They did absolutely everything right. But when it came to 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.839 that the crunch time, when it came to the moment 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.320 where they needed someone to ic the game. Berto had 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.120 two shots at it, and both times they set up 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.039 just wasn't great. So took about finals pressure. I think 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.640 they'd handled it perfectly up until the moment where they 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:28.559 needed to ice the game. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:30.720 You were out there, it was a great atmosphere. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.000 It wasn't it unreally, Yeah, we saw each other in 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.800 the sheds afterwards, but yeah, no, it was unbelievable. But 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.039 just on that moment with Berto, I feel like there 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.600 was a there was a miscount or something that it 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.760 just in that first shot a field goal. He just 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.760 was they were so disorganized and that was that was 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.920 the moment moment, as you know, like you only get 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:52.720 maybe one or two of the base. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.000 We shouldn't have really got to that they were the 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.800 better team. They should have had it locked the way 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.240 before then. Really just a moment of just one moment 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.360 where they dropped their guard with what five minutes to 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.160 go or so, and the genius of and Tommy was 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.959 quiet like the second half was unstoppable. It was basically 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.720 when they give it to the big kid and Junior 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.720 and just so do your best son. The second half 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.200 they just seemed to give it to Molly and say 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.200 just do your best son. See there you go, that's 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.120 exactly right, and le great bit of play there. But 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.880 he had a tough daily, but that was one great 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.639 moment for him, I thought. I mean they were just 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.760 sort of clinging, clinging on in this game, That's what 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.720 That was a huge try that was on half time 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.280 for memory, was not close to aft On, but they 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.480 were just just holding on and holding on. You just 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:43.080 thought at some point they just got class in their side. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.000 They're going to get you if if you let them 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.240 stay within striking distance. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.080 Something happened there too. I think there was a there 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.040 was a lot of niggle in this game as well. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.600 And I think when when the game came down to 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:59.239 it was crunch time, those beasts awoke in DCE and 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:05.160 in Turbos and he Turbo looked probably sixty like he 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.040 was in that first half a yeah, and then he 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.280 just needed one one good play right and then DCE 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.119 just woke up when when the game really had it well, yeah, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.480 when it was in the balance there. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.280 Early on that game, Tommy that yeah, so they aggravated 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.799 that that ac joint injuries got but. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.160 I think you're right ready, I think that was the 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.600 difference in the end, And yeah, Cannarbary probably should have 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.359 put it away sooner considering how dominant they were. I mean, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.760 I think they'd made one era all of the first half, 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.639 like they were just doing absolutely everything right. 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.880 But with he is the moment. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:41.760 Yeah, and you know Dce and Turbo you know on 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.840 the other side of the field. I think that was 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.120 probably the difference in the end, that touch of class 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.400 where Canbary was probably missing that a little bit. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.480 I've got to say, totally cooler when you see him 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:57.080 in space like that, He's unbelievable, but you rarely see him. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.600 I can't remember too many times this year where he's 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.240 been in space. And because he's lightning fast, I mean 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.320 I would to use his pace. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.600 Yeah, he needs more good ball. It'll be interesting to see, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.840 I mean from Canterbury's point of view before we move 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.920 on to Manly and next week. They were even though 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.679 they got knocked out in the first week of the finals, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.880 I feel like there was an element of them being 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.200 the fairy tale story of the year. You know, there 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.520 were so many question marks about them coming into the 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.600 the season. That was another moment towards the end there 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.560 where Brunt and Cherry wished he would have that moment back. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.200 But they've had a critical Yeah, they've had a pretty 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.200 successful season. I think everybody in that team can finish 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.200 the year with their heads held up high. To be honest, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.960 I don't think anybody expected that they'd be in the finals. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.240 Yeah, that was all a bit messy, wasn't it. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.520 Yeah, it was, like Pant said, it was almost like 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:51.720 he were all looking. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.840 At each other and then I don't think they realized 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.360 it was fifth tackle, and then he was just kind 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.920 of like, I guess I'll yeah it. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.000 It wasn't The second one was a bit set up. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.520 But he's got the power, and is the fact that 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.320 they both felt quite sure. I found a little bit 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.160 interesting because he's we've seen him obviously, he's got a 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.640 lot have been exhausted. So yeah, there are the moments 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.600 that you replay over in your head. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:16.960 I love watching Jacob. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.119 We can see how much it meant to them because, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.479 like we said, they were on the back foot for 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.960 most of that game and then they just showed some 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.279 real resilience and and and guts to to come up 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:30.920 with a big player at the end of the game 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.520 and snatch that game, right. But you're right about the dogs. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.520 I mean there I one of all those officials reminded 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.120 me yesterday. I tipped them to come last of the 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:44.520 story of the team for the spoon and they've Yeah, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.880 he had a photo on his phone off it. I 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:53.240 really appreciate it because I said, but they've had a 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.560 great year, like they've made such strides on the camera, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.640 and they'll be better next year. They get still Tupua 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.719 maybe and there's someone else who I can't remember they've 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.320 signed as well. But they're going to be a much 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.400 better team next year. Yeah, you know, you know, with 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.360 those guys, the young guys a year older, I think 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:10.920 they're going to be real forced next year. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.760 Do you reckon or the joshadow car stuff in the week? 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.680 Hand played any part or Cam? 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.360 I thought they handled really well, right and Cam insisted 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.520 it didn't and the senior players had told him it didn't, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.680 So no, I don't. I don't necessarily. I think they 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.839 could have done with him. Actually I think he could. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.000 He would have helped them yesterday. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.880 I mean, Girassdkelton didn't play that bad. I think at 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.359 the top of my head, he might have finished with 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.599 the most meters. I thought it was pretty good yesterday. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.320 I mean there was a there was a try there 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.159 that he bottled a little bit, and you're wondering, Oh, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.919 if Joshadow cars in the position, maybe maybe he scores 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.800 that tribe. But I think he did a pretty good job. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.360 I think Cannbury are probably he's going to the Tigers 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.040 next year, and we don't know what Fox is going 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.680 to Fox is going to be the next year or not, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.120 so they're probably thinking that's one that sort of slipped 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.200 through the cracks. I know they've got other options and 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.159 guys like Play Wilson and kids like Jonathan Sewer, but 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.200 they're not I mean, Skeleton's really coming along. Maybe he's 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.680 got a couple of poor defensive reads in him, but 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.280 in terms of his ball carries and the rest of it, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.480 he has the potential to be a really good winger. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.000 So I still think it's Josh had O Carr. I 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.160 know Skelton had a reasonable game for the this day, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.360 but Josh had a car big game, and he brings 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:22.840 a lot of. 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.880 Emotion and yeah energy energy, especially when they need yeah, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.000 when they probably. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.320 Played a lot of big games in his career, Josh 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.360 had Okay, I can imagine a game like that late 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.400 in the game, when things are getting into tense, maybe 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.240 he would have been one of those goals to sort 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:43.320 of calm things down. But you know, I think I 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.080 think they handled the week really well, So I think 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:45.960 it's hard to say that. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.640 I just agree. I don't think. I know people have 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.960 suggested that maybe it was a bit of a descriptstruction, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.640 but it happened really early in the week and beyond then, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:55.400 you know. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.440 It was and it was never playing so it wasn't 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.080 like his cycle. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.000 But yeah, it wasn't a circus. You know, it's just 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.640 you know, people sort of keeping up to date with 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.800 it read MAINI I mean, he played his heart out 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.160 and made fifty five, maybe sixty tackles, but he did 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.760 give away three penalties. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.559 Caught up with him in the end of Yeah. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.480 And in a game tight like that, you know, Steve 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.600 Crichton was yesterday well, as pants said, they were all 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:20.440 a little bit neglish. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.320 Yeah, it was just Yeah, it was a nigglie kind 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.800 of game, wasn't it. And then in the end, I 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.600 think you just aggravate. I think we saw a pretty 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.840 heated reaction out of DC as well, and you don't 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.600 usually see that. He's he's mystical, and yeah, I think 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.360 they kind of got under his skin and I think 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.720 that was to their own detriment towards the end. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.200 Yeah, do we give him merely a hope against the Rusters? 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:40.800 What are we thinking? 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:41.800 I do? 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:42.439 Yeah? 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.600 I think they I think there are a gutsy side. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.280 They have been up and down this year and they 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.640 have you know, not shown up in games They definitely 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.160 should have. We saw that in the last round as well. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.040 But yeah, I give them a hope. The Roosters are 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.720 got bashed over the weekend and they and they've got 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.960 plenty of injuries, so yeah, I think there are a chance. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.200 I think the Roosters probably wounded a bit mentally after 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.520 that game, and like Pam said, a lot of injuries too. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.960 Like even though you felt like can everyone the physical 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:17.480 battle yesterday, manly was still up for the fight, like 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.200 they were still try that. They were still trying to 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.320 be physical. And I think considering the pact that they have, 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.640 like you said, himalol Kawatu, if he's you know, going 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.560 to go out there and tear stuff up, then I 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.280 think they might. From the physicality point of view, I 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.280 think they might worry the Roosters again. Obviously the Riosters 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.640 get Joe Deui or Hargrove's back, so he's going to 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.840 add a bit of that physicality back that they missed 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.720 so badly against Penrith. But I'm with Pam, I reckon 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.760 I manly is my tip for that one. I think 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.360 that win too, emotionally would have been a massive lift 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.880 as well. Like you said, on the back foot the 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.360 whole game, fifty thousand and one hundred fans, I think 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.480 one hundred fans, fifty thousand Bullo fans. You know, they 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.520 would have got a lot from that Emotionally, I think. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.679 I think, well, I think they're a big chance. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.240 And it depends on Tommy. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.160 Tom is going to say Tommy is so important, and 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.640 you could see it how much he was. He was 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.720 clearly in pain us though. We spoke to you after 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.560 the game and he said, yeah, look at Saw. But 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.760 that's what you get with this injury. I had a 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.280 needle before the game, needle at half time. That was 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.000 always a plan. It wasn't anything new, but he did 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.040 copp and knock on that first half that sort of 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.559 aggravated all but he said, like, you know, he had one. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.400 I thought he had one of his quiet games, and 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.560 then he comes up, turns up in the big moment 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.280 for them when they needed him. I mean, he's just 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.520 a difference maker and quite a games. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.719 But he was involved, I think involved in at least 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:39.520 two of those tries. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.840 Well, they basically comes through Tommy right. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.719 Yep, but they still have Jason started to come back. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.079 He's a week two weeks, so I don't know. I mean, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.320 like I said, Lee Hi probably didn't had an up 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.160 and down game, but he still came up with some 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.840 pretty good moments. Tommy Tallud was pretty good. So I 0:10:58.920 --> 0:10:59.600 wonder if. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:00.280 It's tough to sision. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.360 Yeah, seball does because one of those guys has got 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:03.839 to go right. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:10.280 So he's he just you can just see Tommy just looked. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:11.920 He looked uncomfortable. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.240 Earlier that this was the moment. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.800 He's got the knee problem as well, which he Steve said, yes, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.480 he's been carrying that for a while. But I remember 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.560 that game when he did his shoulder. He actually did 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.840 his knee in the game, got strapped up in that game. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.640 So that was the last time they obviously played the Bulldogs. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.400 But that's you know, it's not it's not only the shoulders. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.040 The knee that's a problem for him as well. But 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.360 he's you know what I mean. You talk to people, man, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.400 and I'll tell you. The thing about Tommy that's underrated 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.640 is how tough he is. He's a tough boy man. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.200 He goes. You can see at the moment the paint 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.640 he's in, he's just he's just aiming up. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.920 Yeaped final time, you've just aiming up. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.240 Speaking of Amy up and who didn't aim up the Sharks. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.680 I was down in Melbourne for this game. We'll go 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.960 down in Melbourne later. But the Sharks, they read at halftime, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.320 blown away in the second half with the wind at 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.880 their back. It was a pretty strong breeze actual but 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.880 they just got decimated the second half. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.000 What happened you watched it. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:11.200 To, Melbourne were amazing, basically perfect in the second You 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.920 could couldn't put together better half of footy than Meltwell 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.600 maybe Penris first half, but Melbourne second half. You can 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.640 bind Pendress first half on Friday night with Melbourne second 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.360 half on Saturday night. It's the perfect game. Minutes free. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.480 But chronologists they just want the races. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.800 Yeah no, I. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.320 Mean I think poor fits at his post match press conference, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:44.200 founded at the tables such a good way. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.079 He's such a nice guy and. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.240 It's gonna be really tough for them to pick themselves 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:49.400 up now it is. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.840 And the thing is, they were so good in the 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.800 final round against Mammy. Yeah right, It's probably one of 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.920 the best performances of the year. And if anybody had 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.440 any doubts of them as being a final force, you're 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.720 probably thinking, Okay, this is you know, maybe the Sharks 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.760 can do something here. Then they shark to Melbourne. But 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.199 also I think it shows how hard it is towards 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.400 the back end of the year in the NRL to 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.640 be consistent, to have a really good game and then 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.440 to lift, you know, the week after, to keep going 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.680 to there's like, you know, we'll probably talk about Nicko 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.040 Heinz because you have to. But their forward pack as 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.680 well sort of didn't aim up in this game like 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.720 they did the week before, and I think that also 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.160 troubled them a little bit. But I don't know, I 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.720 don't know if people you know, if they're you know, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.760 if hoodoos are real. But it's seven finals losses now 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.640 in a row four under fits Yer, Like, obviously it's 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.640 something that it's a legacy that fits is inherited. It's 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.280 not necessarily that he can't get them to win a final. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.319 That's his job now, isn't it. But it is he's 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.680 got a yeah, absolutely problem. Yeah, considering the year that 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.960 they they've had a couple of good years. I mean 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.240 last year was they really scraped into the finals, you know, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.880 a little bit last year, but the year before they 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.080 had a great year and they finished top four this year, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.079 so and have given themselves obviously a second chance, so 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.920 that's the positive. But yeah, but. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.679 That's the issue, right. They've lost seven piles in the 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:16.200 runnow and Nicko's now struggled in a handful of big games, 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.720 and it becomes and we all talk about it, and 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.120 every time he does, media gets asked about it, and 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.440 fifty gets asked about the players get asked about their 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.280 record and big games, and it's hard to keep that 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.720 out of your head, right, particularly when things go against you, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.120 Like in the second half of this game, things start 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.280 to go against them and they just sort of unravel 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.400 to an extent and you can say, look, it wasn't 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.080 you know, there's no mental demons there, but when you 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.040 keep losing in big games, it's hard to ignore that. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.800 Yeah, how can they not be? Yeah, like you can 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.040 kind of just sense it. They kind of go, oh, 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:49.680 here we go. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.880 Here we go, and Melbourne know how to win big games. 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:58.160 Yeah, the opposite, totally the opposite ends of the spectrum here. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.720 I don't necessarily think it's a case of like Nika 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:05.440 Heines not being able to play in big games, ice 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.840 feed games, and I know you'll go, oh, yeah, but 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.680 you just look at his you know, form in big games. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.960 I honestly think he's a confidence player. You know, he's 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.120 at his investment is confident and right now he's just 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.520 not very confident. And I don't know how much, you know, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.040 spending some time out with that leg injury had an 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.200 impact impact on it. And I think that's it fits 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.480 his sort of biggest job this week, it's finding a 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.480 way to inject some confidence into nicka Heins, because I 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.720 think that's probably his biggest problem. I mean, he's a 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.680 daily and winner. He can play football, you know, but 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.680 it's just I think he's not playing with too much confidence. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.440 And because of that, I don't know whether the team 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.840 is playing with confidence, because if your main guy isn't confident, 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.760 then that potentially seeps through to everybody else. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.400 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think. And the funny thing is, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.920 at the moment you look at their halves, Braden Trindles 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.800 the one actually a million dollar football compared to Nico, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.160 who's the bloke on the big bucks, which is and 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.120 part of what comes with, you know, earning the big 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.080 money is big money is these are the games you're 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.880 expected to aim up in, right, and it just hasn't happened. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.880 Buzz was talking about, I think last week on three 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.400 sixty you were saying how the message to Niko when 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.760 he came back was just to you know, simplify things, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.440 take it easy. Yeah, he can't do that now. You 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.160 can't simplify things. He can't take it easy. He's going 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.320 to be the one who sort of this week goes okay, 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.560 this is my team again and I'm taking control and 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:32.560 I'm going to be the main guy. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.040 We'll get to Melbourne later, but they'll now play they 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:41.360 play North Queensland. The Cowboys a winner over the Knights 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.760 on well, it wasn't a winner of the Knights was 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.920 winnow to Klein pongas was the Knights for just about 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.920 a one man team. But I really was it was 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.480 a good game this actually, and the Knights had their chances. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.040 Klem was ridiculously good in this game. But the Cowboys 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.720 that they're dangerous. They're another dangerous team. They have points 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:00.000 in them. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.480 Yeah, I'm still a bit upset over this one actually, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:08.000 to be honest, they played really good. I think they Yeah, 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.040 if there was just a couple of passes that stuck. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.359 I think that that crucial one with gag guy. Yeah, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.880 it was just probably not the right for him. Yeah, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:18.760 this one here too. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.560 Yeah, that's what it is we're talking about, you know. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.400 So the Cowboys are obviously a very good team though 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.400 and have They've been up and down, as we keep 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.920 saying this year, but they have so much strike power 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.879 and if you give them a sniff, they will make 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:38.200 you pay. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:43.600 The man was kp in this game. Unbelievable, so strong. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.920 You know, like with Tommy Turbot. Anything good that happened 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.760 for Newcastle happened around Ponga. But it raises a bigger question. 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.560 Are we done talking about the Cowboys? The Cowboys were great? 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.119 How good was Carl felt? By the way He's just 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.719 having like this breakout year and he's finally if our 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.240 homes has been good, but just on the nights. I 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.800 think it's four from five years now with O'Brien in 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.240 charge that they've made the finals, which is a pretty 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.000 good record. But if you look at their success in 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.639 the finals, I think of those four times they've made it, 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.200 I think maybe they've won one game. Yeah, so they're 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.480 a finals team, but right now they're just making up 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.480 the numbers. And I think part of that to help 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.800 Ponga because it's unfair that he sort of has to 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.359 shoulder the entire team from fullback, is they need another 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.919 running threat in the spine. I in the halves 've 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.360 been able to fit the halves. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.400 That's the thing. I feel like Jada Brayley was actually 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.000 really good in this game, which is he's one of 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:46.120 those players. He's been tapped, I think, but yeah, they just, yeah, 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.000 they need he needs some help in the halves. He's 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.720 that one player. He's putting in kicks, is coming out 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.840 with those big moments, he's directing everything around, he's doing 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.000 everything and you know, we talk about you know there's 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.800