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Speaker 1: Welcome to three sixty League from every angle, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Telfast. It's Grand Final week on Fox League

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Speaker 1: and what a massive week it will be, with the

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Speaker 1: Panthers and the Storm cruising through the prelims to set

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Speaker 1: up an epic decider. But but boys, the Broncos have

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Speaker 1: a new coach joining me, the Great Gordon Tallis Buzz

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Speaker 1: Rothfield and Brent Ree. This was massive news breaking last

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon that Kevy was gone, but today Madge has

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Speaker 1: been appointed as the head coach of the Brisbane Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Gordy Yea was shocked, obviously. It went around.

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Speaker 3: We finished work and I was at the airport and

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Speaker 3: my phone started to light up. I reckon about twenty

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Speaker 3: odd text messages and I didn't believe it at first,

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Speaker 3: and I ran Kevy and he just confirmed the news

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Speaker 3: that he'd been moved on.

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Speaker 4: It happened so quickly in the Madge appointment. You don't

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Speaker 4: do these in three days. You do your due diligence.

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Speaker 4: You find out of his interest to eat. So I think,

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Speaker 4: without Kvy knowing, mad just been speaking to him for

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Speaker 4: a little bit longer than last week.

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Speaker 5: I think Madge is one of this jobs. He applied

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Speaker 5: for it four years ago and keV got the job.

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Speaker 5: He's one of this job for a long time. And look,

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Speaker 5: there's a little bit of last minute haggling today over

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Speaker 5: the legal fees. Who was going to cover the new

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Speaker 5: South Wales Rogay League legal fees. I understand that's now

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Speaker 5: been rectified in the announcement. It hasn't been announced formally yet,

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Speaker 5: but it's a little bit tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to Kevy and as you said,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been formally announced, but it is going to be.

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Speaker 6: Can you talk us through how this all went down?

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously the end of the season, we disappointing season

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Speaker 5: for the Broncos. At the end of the season, the

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Speaker 5: club formalives to review, got an external person to come

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Speaker 5: into a review, talk to players, talk to staff obviously,

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Speaker 5: and as a result of that review, that made the

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Speaker 5: decision to move on from keV. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 5: think that review reflected particularly well. We don't behind signed

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Speaker 5: to work and I didn't reflect particularly well on Kevin

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Speaker 5: and the coaching situation there, and obviously the club decided

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Speaker 5: they need to go in another direction.

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Speaker 2: Was that reverse engineer because they went gaming.

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Speaker 5: Generally, you don't do a review unless you're pretty sure

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Speaker 5: how it's going to turn out. So I reckon when

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Speaker 5: the review. Before they did the review, they probably had concerns.

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Speaker 6: Well, do you agree it's harsh?

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Speaker 4: He was ahead twenty four to eight in that Grand

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Speaker 4: Final last year, and I know he lost it. I

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Speaker 4: know clear he knocked him out of it in the

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Speaker 4: end of the very strong opinion that he was entitled

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Speaker 4: to a minimum twelve weeks next year to rectify and

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Speaker 4: to introduce what the report recommended. Now I'm told it

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Speaker 4: wasn't just the report that cost him his job. It

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Speaker 4: was Kevy's reaction to the report and the fact that

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Speaker 4: he blew up and it's got Peter Bdell wrote last

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Speaker 4: week that he didn't take kindly to the credits.

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Speaker 1: As we exited the Fox League studios on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: the end.

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Speaker 6: Of World rupted with the sudden news of Kevy's departure.

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Speaker 1: Here's how the club officially broke the news on Friday morning.

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Speaker 7: We have come to an agreement, both the Broncos and

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Speaker 7: the Walters family that my time here as the head

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Speaker 7: coach of the Broncos has finished. A lot of my

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Speaker 7: time here has been good times. Also, like everyone has

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Speaker 7: their dry moments and their moments where you learn and

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Speaker 7: you get better.

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Speaker 2: I am really proud of the fact.

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Speaker 7: That when I arrived here, as Dave said, the club

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Speaker 7: wasn't in great shape. The proudest moment was last year's

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Speaker 7: Greend final, my son and all my family in attendance

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Speaker 7: is really nice. And then this year obviously a tough

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Speaker 7: year for everyone. Unfortunately my time here now has finished.

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Speaker 7: From the head coaching point of view, also want to

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Speaker 7: thank my family. They've been really terrific for me, and

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Speaker 7: that's why I thank them and thank everyone else who's

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Speaker 7: been a part of the journey here. Not so much

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Speaker 7: the last four years, but you know, all my time

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Speaker 8: I think we all understand and can appreciate. The passion,

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Speaker 8: the genuine passion and love that keV has for this

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Speaker 8: put a pulse back into the Broncos and whilst he

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Speaker 8: won't continue as head coach from here, that connection will continue.

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Speaker 8: Kevin will remain as an ambassador of the club, which

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Speaker 8: I think is a really important connection for both the

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Speaker 8: Broncos and Kevin Walters. The interesting thing about reviews is

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Speaker 8: that at football clubs that happen every day. You know,

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Speaker 8: they happen at training, they happen around games. In terms

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Speaker 8: they happen mid season, they happen to postseason. And for us,

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Speaker 8: you know, there's a new direction that.

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Speaker 2: Will head in.

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Speaker 8: I think it's wrong to demonize the playing group over this.

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Speaker 8: I think that would be totally wrong. Pre seasons, you know,

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Speaker 8: it's a big important part of the program. And we

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Speaker 8: won't take too long to move on that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I was just about to ask is Madage

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Speaker 1: the right man for the job, But let's backtrack. You

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Speaker 1: said that, Kevy, you beally deserved more time.

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Speaker 6: Is that what you say? And I do?

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Speaker 4: And I'm dirty on the players who have obviously turned

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Speaker 4: on him, underperforming players who've been down, injured or out

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Speaker 4: of form for the entire year. But again, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to keep dropping Peter Bedell's names. So he said

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Speaker 4: you can't sack twelve players, but they've all gone in

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Speaker 4: behind his back and they've obviously complained. And I don't

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Speaker 4: like that, particularly after he's taken him to a Grand Final.

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Speaker 5: When was the last time it worked when a coach

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Speaker 5: was in a position where he went, you've got eight

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Speaker 4: Never you have no idea it wouldn't have worked.

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Speaker 9: You have absolutely no idea suggests that.

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Speaker 3: Injuries last year for one, I understand at the club

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Speaker 3: for thirty I'm going to ask you one question. When

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Speaker 3: Kevy walked into the organization, is it better today than

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 3: Is the club still moving forward? He walked in and

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Speaker 3: there was wooden spoons.

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Speaker 5: Didn't I don't think particularly, but I think it went

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Speaker 5: backwards this year. I think that's pretty obviously saying to

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Speaker 5: look at the ladder. I mean Ken did a great

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Speaker 5: job for it was there four years, got into a

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Speaker 5: Grand Final and deserves immense credit for that. And Day's

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Speaker 5: right to an extent he put the pulse back in

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Speaker 4: Because you asked me when it was the last coach

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Speaker 4: I was given a time from Madam O'Brien was sacked

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Speaker 4: at Newcastle. He was gone and he stormed home. Last

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Speaker 4: year it made the final. It does work.

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Speaker 3: He was three minutes away from winning a grand file

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Speaker 3: with his top players on the field for six games.

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Speaker 2: This year, they struggled, and I reckon he learned more.

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Speaker 1: Intended to lean with Ready on this because I think

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if the club and

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Speaker 1: the players lose trust in the head coach, you're in

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Speaker 1: You're in trouble, right, whether you agree with it or not,

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Speaker 1: whether you like what the players have done or not,

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Speaker 1: whether you like what the hierarchy at the Broncos have

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Speaker 1: done or not. If they lose trust and they don't

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Speaker 1: believe in their leader going forward, which.

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Speaker 6: Sounds like a majority, I could be wrong. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's just from the outside looking in. Then I agree,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it'll work.

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Speaker 4: Think any of these players said to the reviewer, my

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Speaker 4: form was very ordinary this year. It's not all Keep's fault.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. Did any player take a

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Speaker 3: No one probably, not, no one really, No one does.

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Speaker 3: No one does, right, So let's just put it in

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Speaker 3: a school, in a classroom situation. The A students would go, yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: I worked really hard to see students, which there was

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Speaker 3: a lot this year. Who are they going to blame themselves?

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Speaker 3: Or are they going to blame the teacher?

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Speaker 9: But what Buzzers said, the Pete right is wrong.

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Speaker 2: To get this out.

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Speaker 5: It's easy to move on a coach is to clean

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Speaker 5: out perfect much easier.

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Speaker 2: Great idea. So did they move on to a better coach?

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Speaker 9: Well, well it will be the judge right.

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Speaker 5: But Milcael McGuire has a better record than Kevy Walters.

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Speaker 9: Yes, history would suggest it doesn't better. The last time

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Speaker 9: he premiership?

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Speaker 2: Did you watch?

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Speaker 9: I did and made that that was out? That ended badly,

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Speaker 9: That ended really bad.

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Speaker 5: Paying Harsha by the way too, we want to compets house.

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Speaker 2: How did he end it? Well? Didn't? Then?

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Speaker 9: Well, but you want to compet and you would argue.

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Speaker 5: This ross is close to the South than it is

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Speaker 5: to the West Tigers because it's got senior players who

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Speaker 5: are in the prime of their career ready to win

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Speaker 5: a competition.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 2: You want to hope that I can stay on thee.

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Speaker 1: I think you know that you don't think he's a

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Speaker 1: better coach.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no. I just asked the question.

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Speaker 3: I just think that a bit like Buzz's point. If

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Speaker 3: you got the magic ground and you said that he

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Speaker 3: wasn't good enough anymore.

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Speaker 2: You just move on good.

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Speaker 5: Did you think that would have worked? Do you think

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Speaker 5: that if they said the keV you've got to a

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Speaker 5: magic round?

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Speaker 1: I think because you're saying, you're saying, how many times

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Speaker 1: does it happened?

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Speaker 6: We were on the other side and we go. I

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Speaker 6: don't know how many coaches were given. A lot of

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Speaker 3: I've lost so Ben when when the meeting spoken to

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Speaker 3: one of those I'm not going to name, and he said,

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Speaker 3: it's a really easy it's a real easy fixed. There's

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Speaker 3: not much and we'll turn it around easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But bradye and You've got me wrong.

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Speaker 4: I've got no problems with Madge taking over that club.

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Speaker 4: I just have a problem with the man.

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Speaker 2: Have a problem with that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 9: I don't like.

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Speaker 6: That or not, it's irrelevant, I think.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's the biggest, one of the biggest brands

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Speaker 3: in sport. Okay, did they fail out there to any applicants?

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Speaker 3: Who do they interview for the job?

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Speaker 2: Just hear me.

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Speaker 3: What if Trent Robinson goes you know what, I don't

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Speaker 3: really want to be at the Roosters anymore. What if

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Speaker 3: Cameron Surrealdo goes I might want to see change because

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Speaker 3: if you.

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Speaker 9: Don't ask the question got to be realistic.

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Speaker 2: Is it realistically it's a big to leave their clubs?

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Speaker 2: Is true? They've had six coaches in ten years.

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Speaker 9: Well, I've done the numbers.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So when is the board and the management going

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Speaker 4: to say, you know what, the problems that this club

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Speaker 4: might necessarily just be about the coach because we've had

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Speaker 4: six of them four years. I know we did opportunity times.

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Speaker 10: I'm not saying this, but I don't think it's I

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Speaker 10: don't think it's a negative, Like, yeah, it's disappointing that

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Speaker 1: Margineguay comes in where he's won a premiership with Wigan,

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Speaker 9: Time into a win of Australia SES Origin series.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if that's your theory that Melmoyninger coaches because

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Speaker 6: If you go for premierships, you go for w you'd

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: All that I'm saying is if you want no no, no,

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Speaker 2: I really don't care. But the people who are running

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Speaker 3: Wayne Bennett wasn't good enough, but he's good enough for

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Speaker 3: Peter Flanders wanted him to build a club. Okay, Seaboll,

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Speaker 3: who's done a great job at Manley, he wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 2: Kevy wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 3: If they keep on moving on coaches, the club's not

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Speaker 3: going to move forward.

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Speaker 2: But there's going to be.

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Speaker 6: Right now.

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Speaker 1: I look at Madge and I look what are the

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Speaker 3: To me from the outside, did Jacobson say winning starts?

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Speaker 2: But what's that I'm saying?

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Speaker 6: But it does.

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Speaker 4: It's you're saying mad is going to do the just

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Speaker 6: Made this call. Yeah, so what do you want to do?

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Speaker 6: Didn't think that Kevy was.

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Speaker 2: The man for that. I don't think he's better than

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Speaker 2: Kevy Robinson. Think he was Craig right, and I think

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but if you race at the start,

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Speaker 4: just behavior during tight what was the TV chair?

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Speaker 6: Look at disrespect? But look at.

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Speaker 1: But how anyone else is into that facility? The coach,

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Speaker 6: I don't have a.

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Speaker 5: Tigers, the Broncos. You cannot compare those organizations.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can say that, I can say that. I'm

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Speaker 4: this documentary and I didn't like the probably the same

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Speaker 6: I think it's really she's swearing, but school he's saying

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Speaker 6: that a coach can't swear.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 9: I thought he was out of control and the task

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Speaker 5: When you said, well this year, he went and got

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Speaker 11: First thing he should reach out, he should reach out

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Speaker 11: of this bloke here, brother, I'm a Titan.

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Speaker 3: That's actually not against match because Kevy's asked me on

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Speaker 3: about five occasions to go back and help and I've

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Speaker 2: So I'm never going back to the Broncos. I'm a Titan.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 9: That's full stop bad.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's full stop. That's not saying anything.

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Speaker 3: A coffee with the Blake Cording. I'll have a coffee, Mane.

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Speaker 3: I should to drink off a bit.

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Speaker 4: But I know I do know a couple of people

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Speaker 4: that you'll give him life to over the years, and

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Speaker 4: you sat back with him that you all.

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Speaker 1: The talk about the Brisbane Broncos and needing a Queensland coach.

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Speaker 3: No, because Craig Bellamy was there, right, I think Ivan Henjack,

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Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure Ivant hen Jack's been

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Speaker 3: there as well. You want the best coach for the organization.

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Speaker 3: They didn't win until we got a news They didn't

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Speaker 3: name of Glenn Lazarus to come and lead the club, right,

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Speaker 3: So like so yeah, you just want the best players

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Speaker 2: That's just all I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: Now, they got him. He is the best coach of ar.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what in paramatta taking?

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Speaker 9: Because he was true?

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Speaker 5: He probably wasn't because.

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Speaker 3: So why didn't he go to the Dragons If he's

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Speaker 3: the best coach, If he's the best coach, can the

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Speaker 2: If he's the best coach? Can I say one thing?

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Speaker 4: I just see you guys, the judgment you're making on Madge,

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Speaker 4: and I hope you're right.

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Speaker 2: I hope he's successful.

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Speaker 4: So on a eight week Origin campaign, which is so

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Speaker 4: different to managing a salary cap, managing egos over twelve

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Speaker 2: Course it is.

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Speaker 5: But he goes that and as I said, he want

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Speaker 5: to call with some big egos at South Sydney only egos.

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Speaker 5: That's not a problem for match. He can do that easily, right.

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Speaker 5: The problem is that the Tigers world the Tigers.

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Speaker 9: He probably didn't have enough egos.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have enough senior figures who could control the

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Speaker 9: He does, so I think that's the least.

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Speaker 4: What if you reckon He's got leaders who can control

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Speaker 4: his cap and going on that all night binge after

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Speaker 4: State of after Magic round when he was injured, he

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Speaker 4: didn't go home and I he's in a fight, and.

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Speaker 6: That's why is he leader? That's his job.

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Speaker 2: But you're trying to tell me he got leaders?

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Speaker 6: So are you really this is SI hitt and run mission?

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Speaker 6: Should this just be Madge going.

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Speaker 1: For a three years, two to three years, try and

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 6: To me?

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Speaker 9: That's what I would be trying to do.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'd be trying to walk Astra Madage go

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Speaker 5: Groom is successor whether it's Ben teoh Is on the

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Speaker 5: bring josh Hannah up to replace her eventually.

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Speaker 9: But that's you know, Thomas.

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Speaker 5: History has proven over a short period Madge has worked

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Speaker 5: it wore wore the players out. So you know, I'd

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Speaker 9: Them do that. Get it? He grooms of Queen's Lander.

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Speaker 5: To take over because I'm you know, I think if

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Speaker 5: well I think.

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Speaker 9: There should be Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, you' want the best person coaching, definitely.

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Speaker 9: The best persons of Queensland.

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Speaker 5: Or if they're working out the manage for the next

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Speaker 5: that makes sense.

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Speaker 6: All right. Has Madge done the wrong thing by the Blues?

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't think he has.

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Speaker 4: I think a temporary origin job is you know, it's

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Speaker 4: it's not big money. It's, as I said, for eight

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Speaker 4: isn't it being an next player?

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Speaker 6: I respect him for whatever decision he makes. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm more disappointed because now we're going to find someone

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Speaker 6: Hard to do.

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Speaker 1: And you know we're heading in the right trajectory after

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Speaker 3: Mel didn't want to coach clubs, and Billy doesn't and

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Speaker 3: New South well, the guys that coach, they actually want

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Speaker 5: He's a career coach, right, I mean, so the minute

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Speaker 9: That's never changed.

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Speaker 6: What do you think Itz on this one?

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Speaker 4: Well, as I said, I'm not dirty on him for

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Speaker 4: I explained to Rudy they're eight week roles.

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Speaker 3: It's probably disappointing for the X players the way that

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Speaker 1: Moving forward, let's get to the Nelson incident.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk about it now.

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Speaker 1: James Hooper is at the judiciary as we speak. The

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Speaker 1: But what initially, what do we think of this incident?

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Speaker 4: Thought it was a overreaction to grade three charge. I

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Speaker 2: Worked out today.

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Speaker 4: I rang Aaron Wallace and I said, how many kickoffs

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Speaker 4: are there every year? Has there's been two two hundred

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Speaker 4: How many knockouts they've been. They're fast paced, they're coming together,

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Speaker 4: They're unfortunate concussion issue. I didn't have too big a

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Speaker 4: He didn't directly or on No.

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Speaker 2: But I agree with you, Lindsey Colins. Look up earlier.

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Speaker 3: You got six foot seven like no, because like that

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Speaker 3: But it's a big collision. Do I think Nelson meant

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Speaker 3: mean to I just don't think he could get down

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Speaker 2: He's just so big.

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Speaker 3: But I think the charge he got him in the head,

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Speaker 3: and you should have every right he had charged you

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Speaker 3: should you should have every right as a ball runner

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Speaker 2: But but I think the charges.

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Speaker 1: And the gratings of bits of you, I think in

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Speaker 6: He just had to lower his body just a.

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Speaker 1: Tiny bit at the very last second, and he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: High, spurned it so early.

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Speaker 6: And again we all know you just can't make contact

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Speaker 1: And as I said, I think he deserved probably one.

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Speaker 2: Of the maximum.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Grade three was a bit excessive

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Speaker 9: What about grade three is too much for me?

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Speaker 2: Were the same as a jockey, you know, a half.

446
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Speaker 3: They're in this, you know, like the Winter Carnival, and

447
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Speaker 3: they can serve their suspension after the carnival.

448
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Speaker 9: You can't.

449
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Speaker 4: I went to the NRL today and I said to

450
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Speaker 4: the NRL, look, guys, a couple of years ago in

451
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Speaker 4: twenty two, you let Taylor May off at the back

452
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Speaker 4: end of the year to play in the finals and

453
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Speaker 4: you know.

454
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Speaker 2: The service suspension.

455
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Speaker 4: Actually he got injured and didn't play, but that was

456
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Speaker 4: an off field court case situation, not an active foul player.

457
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Speaker 2: There is a difference. I don't want to pick on someone.

458
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Speaker 3: But if it's a less boyd incident, right, you certainly

459
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Speaker 3: miss a game. But if it's an accident like the

460
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Speaker 3: Cameron Smith that ruined that spectacle.

461
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Speaker 2: It was forty nielder man. Remember that Grand Final.

462
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Speaker 3: I know what year it was, but for this to

463
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Speaker 3: miss a Grand Final would like that would haunt me

464
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Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. You've played, he's struggled

465
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Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year, he's fought back. That's

466
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Speaker 3: not a malicious tackle. That's just my point. To miss

467
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Speaker 3: a Grand five.

468
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Speaker 5: They've already changed the rules around the chargers in finals,

469
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Speaker 5: around state of origin, so they have less impact. So

470
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Speaker 5: you know, I think you can't have guys committing foul

471
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Speaker 5: play and just say.

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Speaker 9: He doesn't get off that. I don't think you have

473
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Speaker 9: guys committing foul planning the plan the next week.

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Speaker 1: Here are some other Grade three so we're just to

475
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Speaker 1: compare on incidents. So these are Grade threes that have

476
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Speaker 1: been given this year and compare them to Nelson's. We

477
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Speaker 1: thought there was a significant difference. I don't know what

478
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Speaker 1: you guys think, but this was this was a couple

479
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Speaker 1: of the Grade three throughout the season, and.

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Speaker 9: That's that one's a shocker. That's much worse than Nelson's.

481
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Speaker 9: But I think that's a lot more reckless than what

482
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Speaker 9: Nelson did for me. I don't think so good.

483
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Speaker 2: It's still a little bit accidental.

484
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Speaker 9: Yeah, of course.

485
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Speaker 4: The difference is they've come from thirty meters apart.

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's raced out to put a shot on and

487
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Speaker 3: he's missed these times.

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Speaker 1: This was a great Grade three too as well. Do

489
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Speaker 1: you think they're harsh, they're worse than Nelson's or do

490
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Speaker 1: you think they compare.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think Nelson's was as severe as these.

492
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Speaker 9: I think they're worse than Nelson's.

493
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Speaker 4: I think that what is Yeah, I think the NRL

494
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 4: needs to look at the system and somehow introduced the

495
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Speaker 4: Grand Finals and state of origin games have waited a little.

496
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Speaker 2: Bit differently with the judiciary.

497
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Speaker 9: They've done that.

498
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Speaker 2: No, they haven't.

499
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Speaker 9: They've changed it some origins different.

500
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, I'm talking about the game before state of origin. Okay,

501
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Speaker 4: So if you do what Nelson did right, if it's

502
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Speaker 4: only grade two, you can play in origin, serve it afterwards.

503
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Speaker 4: So for Grade twos and grade ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's a bit of manor because you

505
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 3: do rob the Fians a little bit. Do you think

506
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Speaker 3: that that's that bad that you should miss a Grand final?

507
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Speaker 2: That's just a question.

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Speaker 5: I think they got the charge wrong. So I actually

509
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Speaker 5: think it's a chance of getting a double down grade.

510
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Speaker 6: Kenny go from a three door one? Do you think

511
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Speaker 6: you can? But how possible is it going to be?

512
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Speaker 6: You know it's you would?

513
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Speaker 2: Would you give it a downgrade? I would too, but.

514
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not the judiciary, and well I find

515
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Speaker 1: it like they're probably there's X players.

516
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Speaker 2: In there that should know and three.

517
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Speaker 5: I think I think it's great, wrong right, it should

518
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 5: be at most of grade too. I think he's an

519
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Speaker 5: outside chance to getting it down to a grade one, like.

520
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Speaker 9: It'll be a miracle, saying there's a chance. It's an

521
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Speaker 9: outside chance, but it's a chance.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what do you reckon, buzz any chance at all?

523
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Speaker 4: No?

524
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Speaker 2: Probably not.

525
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Speaker 4: But it saddens me because I really want to see him.

526
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Speaker 2: I really worried about ideo storm support.

527
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Speaker 4: I turn on the television to watch him and Hargraves

528
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 4: the other night, right, so I turned on this week

529
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Speaker 4: to watch him and Fisher Harris.

530
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Speaker 2: I think it's sad.

531
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Speaker 4: In every rugby league fan in the game that two

532
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 4: most explosive players won't have these collisions. Read yeah, I

533
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 4: think there is an opportunity for the game to look

534
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 4: at waiting Grand Finals and oriage in a little.

535
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Speaker 5: Bit different and he's done a remarkable job to fight

536
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: back from where he was ear and he was talking

537
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 5: to Benji.

538
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 9: Marshall they going to the West Tigers at one point.

539
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: You know.

540
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: The only thing that that sort of I think obvious

541
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: that Lindsay Collins, if they won, he wouldn't be playing

542
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: this week because of it.

543
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: You know what.

544
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 4: Necessarily, you know, with one you can carry out a

545
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 4: few different tests, and.

546
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Speaker 5: They need to bring in the you know what they

547
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: need to bring in like the Super Bowl two week

548
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 5: gap between the prelim and the Grand Final.

549
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Speaker 9: I forget ahead. That's what I reckon.

550
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Speaker 6: We get to again, we're going to have three sixty

551
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Speaker 6: on the week off you want, of.

552
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: Course, I'm saying, so if you go again, So Lindsay Colins,

553
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Speaker 5: for example, wouldn't have played the Grand Final because you

554
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Speaker 5: couldn't play a week later. In the America the Super Bowl,

555
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: the have a two week break between the conference games.

556
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 5: In the super Bowl. I'm saying we need to look

557
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 5: at a two week break between the pre.

558
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: Limbs and.

559
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 5: Two week break so that players who get prodesansial concussions

560
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: or injuries in the pre limb will be able to

561
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 5: play in the Grand Final. Two weeks of pumping it up,

562
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: pumping out play the PMS thirteen in the middle of it.

563
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 5: We all want to go on hold days because you

564
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 5: got halfway around the world at the West.

565
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Speaker 6: That's not a very good one.

566
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Speaker 11: On this.

567
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Speaker 1: Nathan Cleary really survived the Grand Final. You mentioned if

568
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Speaker 1: there was a week off, will he be a lot

569
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: fit and healthier for Grand Final day? But it isn't

570
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: minor concern for the Panthers. Have you heard any mail

571
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Speaker 1: out of their camp on how he is traveling.

572
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Speaker 5: I don't think they've got many concerns with them at all.

573
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Speaker 5: Bro I mean, obviously he looked properly on the shoulder

574
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Speaker 5: on Saturday night he Reachford here in this instant. He

575
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Speaker 5: stayed in the field after that for a couple of

576
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Speaker 5: more a few more minutes and then and then eventually

577
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 5: come off for a rest, So you know, I think

578
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 5: there was a serious concern about it. In the minute

579
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Speaker 5: that happened, they had him straight off, but they didn't.

580
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Speaker 3: He kept playing if he had eight more weeks ago,

581
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: you'd probably question whether you get through.

582
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: He's got eighty minutes.

583
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 4: There's a couple of respective people and NRL physio Brian

584
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: Sony and Nathan Gibbs both expressed concern about it. And

585
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 4: if he does he why do you think they're carrying

586
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: Brad Schneider on the bench and not another forwhere there's

587
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 4: obviously concern there is the bloke is an out off

588
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: the charts champion and he can job.

589
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Speaker 6: I think he'll be fine.

590
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Speaker 1: I think you watch you watch this and yeah, he

591
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: reacts because he's not one hundred percent. He wasn't one

592
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: hundred percent going into the game. But you know, he

593
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: gets up, he makes a few more tackles, you know,

594
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Speaker 1: and then they they take him off as a precaution.

595
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Speaker 6: But I really think he's going to be fine. Now

596
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 6: will Storm target him?

597
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: Obviously they will Win's a stupid question, right, they're going

598
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: to go with it early or not?

599
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: You think he's proven? I thought, you know, like he's

600
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: he's like the rooster is a big heavyweight. He had

601
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: cried in front of him and there was no more

602
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: damaging ball runner and they couldn't get at him. So

603
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Speaker 3: I think I think they tried it with Cooper Cooper

604
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: Krong and it didn't quite work.

605
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: I think Melbourne's got to play their own game.

606
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: I think people have been trying to target Nathan injured,

607
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: you know, and he is so so I don't want

608
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: to start this argument again. But he's Johnson, He's Thurston

609
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: wrapped up in mine. He really is, mate, five straight

610
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: Grand finals and you know what, he won Bradford La Medal,

611
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 4: you know, and he's got a fifty percent record in

612
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: origin Roadie, he's not there yet.

613
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: What do you want him to do? Five straight grand.

614
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 5: He's not He's not Johnson Thurston yet they didn't playing

615
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 5: five straight grand and went through straight cops.

616
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Speaker 9: Their their origin record is and that he's a great player,

617
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 9: and he might finish his career on.

618
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: No one's Billy Smith, but he's eleven or no one's

619
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Speaker 3: non proven.

620
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 9: He's not there yet, but.

621
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Speaker 2: You just will knowledge.

622
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 4: You will want a knowledge of modern day player.

623
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Speaker 9: He's got eight years to go.

624
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 5: Okay, well we don't have to wait four or six

625
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 5: years time. I'll tell you whether he's Johnson.

626
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: You know, Joey has said this himself. Joey is a

627
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 4: humble man. And would gives him a lot of credit.

628
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 6: Still here, guns buzz, still guns.

629
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: Right, I'm only telling you where I was. It's not

630
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: Chad Townsend. I'm still there, Chad Grudge clearly.

631
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: Any sign of the Roosters next year, Yeah, thanks for

632
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: the scoop. I stick around Journo Sunday, October twenty Teams

633
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: Who Fights for Redemption with another shot to win a

634
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: world title, and you can order.

635
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: It now on the main events

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Speaker 6: Have agreed