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Speaker 1: Dan Brelet, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: And now, don you will not remember this, but many

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Speaker 3: years ago, pre COVID, I did a breath work session

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Speaker 3: with you. Now the backdrop to this. If you'd have

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Speaker 3: asked me fifteen years ago about breath work, I probably

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Speaker 3: would have said it's fluffy bullshit tarted by the crystal

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Speaker 3: waving bgride right.

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Speaker 1: And then because I'm a physiologist with a background in

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Speaker 1: your science as.

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Speaker 3: Well, and then I started reading about different types of

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Speaker 3: slow control breathing and resonant frequency breathing and the impact

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Speaker 3: on the parasympathetic.

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Speaker 1: Nervous system, like oh maybe, oh jeez, this shit is real.

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Speaker 3: And then I, obviously, will you start digging into breath work?

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Speaker 1: Your name obviously comes up.

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Speaker 3: And then it turns out that a mate of mine

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Speaker 3: who I used to work with, and she and Saunders

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Speaker 3: and his wife were actually hosting you. And I saw

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Speaker 3: it advertising. I'm like, shit, I want to go to that,

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Speaker 3: And I went and I could only stay for half

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Speaker 3: a day. It was a full day, and we started

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Speaker 3: doing a number of different types of breath work, and

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Speaker 3: then just before lunch you put on the music and

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Speaker 3: we did like almost an r It would have been

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Speaker 3: a pretty fast paced breathing and oh my god. I

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Speaker 3: got at the end of that, and I remember there

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Speaker 3: were people to kind of hear people wheeling.

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Speaker 1: And doing all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But as soon as it finished, I went to stand

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Speaker 3: up and it was like I had taken a massive

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Speaker 3: dose of narcotics. And I was like, wow, as in

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Speaker 3: your scientist, crazy shit must be going on in my

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Speaker 3: brain with my neurotransmitters and all of that. And then

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Speaker 3: the debrief was really interesting. Somebody remembered their birth in

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Speaker 3: the deep breath and all sorts of crazy shit. Now,

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Speaker 3: before we unpack that, just you've trained a whole heap

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Speaker 3: of high performers over the year. Your book has a

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Speaker 3: forward from Tony Robbins. I believe you've trained Tony Watt Robins.

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Speaker 3: So just from a high level before we start to

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Speaker 3: dive in, what is your definition of breath work in

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Speaker 3: general and how is it different from just deep breathing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, breathwork is the it's an art. It's

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Speaker 2: a science of using breath awareness and conscious breathing as

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Speaker 2: a tool, as a force, as a bridge for health,

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Speaker 2: for growth, for change and body mind spirit and so

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Speaker 2: if you're a biohacker, breathing is key. If you're Special

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Speaker 2: Forces and Navy coal, you need to manage your arousal,

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Speaker 2: manage your mental state, your emotional state. You get to

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Speaker 2: handle all that stuff with the breath and what you described.

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Speaker 2: After a session, people go where am I WHOA. It's

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Speaker 2: like taking plant medicines, It's like taking Iowa does because

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Speaker 2: we have a pharmacy in our head, and we manufactures

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Speaker 2: whatever chemicals are required to meet whatever's demand is expected.

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Speaker 2: And so breath is a way to turn that stuff on.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the only system in the body that's

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Speaker 2: both automatic and under our control. To me, that's not

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Speaker 2: an accident, that's not a coincidence. That's an invitation. That's

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to take part in our own nature, in

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Speaker 2: our own evolution. So it's I'm a missionary for the

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Speaker 2: breath because I've seen too many miracles. I've seen too

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Speaker 2: much healing. I've seen people take care of things that

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Speaker 2: they thought they were victims of. And I've seen people

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Speaker 2: get off of drugs and sistances when they started breathing.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm still digging for what the possibilities are.

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Speaker 2: And but there's no doubt that when you play with

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Speaker 2: your breath, you you change brain waves, you access chemical states.

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Speaker 2: Your CO two is a volatile acid, so when you breathe,

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Speaker 2: you're playing with CO two levels, which we know how

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Speaker 2: important the pH balance is in the body. And so

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Speaker 2: it's pretty cool that by getting a handle on your

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Speaker 2: breath you get a handle on your autonomic nervous system.

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Speaker 2: You you can you can manage things that are supposed

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Speaker 2: to be unconscious or involuntary and and through the breath

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Speaker 2: and influence so so.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's all.

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Speaker 3: Hack this a little bit, and let's talk about the

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Speaker 3: autonomic nervous system. So we can use our breath to

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Speaker 3: activate the parasympathetic nervous system, but we can also use

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Speaker 3: our breath to activate the sympathetic nervous system. And there

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Speaker 3: are different use cases for both of those things. Right,

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Speaker 3: let's pick the easy one first, which is using breath

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Speaker 3: for the parasympathetic nervous system, because in my digging into

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Speaker 3: the physiology, that is much more straightforward than the sort

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Speaker 3: of fast paced breathing that we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: and the SOO to the oxygen, all of those sorts

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Speaker 3: of things. So let's just talk about the benefits of

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Speaker 3: slow control breathing. What are the actions and what are

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Speaker 3: some different types of control breathing that people can actually use,

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Speaker 3: and then to your particular fear for it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well for the forty thousand foot view, to just

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Speaker 2: simplify everything, if you want to energize yourself, you want

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Speaker 2: to activate the sympathetic branch, fight flight, perform on what

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Speaker 2: you lean into the inhale. If you want to trigger

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Speaker 2: the parasympathetic branch, rest, digest, recover, you lean into the exhale.

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Speaker 2: So relaxation is in the exhalation, and so to trigger

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Speaker 2: thank god, there are no drugs that can trigger the

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Speaker 2: parasympathetic response in the body. There are drugs that trigger

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Speaker 2: the sympathetic you know. Yeah, so thank god there's no

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Speaker 2: drugs for that, which is kind of cool. And so,

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Speaker 2: for example, every time you inhale the heart speeds up,

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Speaker 2: you trigger the sympathetic branch or the nervous system. Every

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Speaker 2: time you exhale the heart slows down, you trigger the

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Speaker 2: parasympathetic brand. So if you begin by lengthening the inhales

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Speaker 2: simply by starting to slow the breathing down, already you're

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Speaker 2: starting to tip towards that parasympathetic and then you can

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Speaker 2: do it very deliberately by lengthening the exhale. The more

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Speaker 2: time you spend on the exhale, the more time you're

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Speaker 2: leaning into that parasympathetic direction. So shushing, sounds, purse, lip breathing, humming, chanting, toning,

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Speaker 2: remaining in that parasympathetic direction, you know, for a longer

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Speaker 2: period of time. So low and slow there, so getting

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Speaker 2: if you breathe high in your chest, even if you're

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Speaker 2: breathing slowly, you're kind of activating the sympathetic branch. So

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Speaker 2: getting the breath down into the belly, the lower abdomen,

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Speaker 2: the lower rib area. That's so low and slow. That's

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Speaker 2: anti anxiety breathing because it's it's parasathetic turning on. So

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Speaker 2: in a nutshell, breathe into the belly and slow the

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Speaker 2: You're just you know, it's like a gas pedal in

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Speaker 3: And and and most people walk around not not with

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Speaker 3: an issue with the brick, they walk around with an

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Speaker 3: issue with the gas pedal or the accelerator as we

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Speaker 3: call it. They're in sympathetic dominance right, not all.

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Speaker 2: The time, almost in the background almost. You know, we're

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Speaker 2: living with this low level of background anxiety all the time.

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Speaker 2: You open the newspaper, you got something you gotta think about,

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Speaker 2: pay the bills. There's always something that's keeping that going.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not doing something to deliberately shift out

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Speaker 2: be in sympathetic overdrive just about all the time. And

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Speaker 2: then it just becomes a default setting in our system,

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Speaker 2: whether you like it or not, whether we're doing so.

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Speaker 2: You have to do something deliberate and conscious to unplug

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Speaker 2: And so that's where we're running on very ancient survival

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Speaker 2: program and uh and breath work kind of it kind

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Speaker 2: of unplugs us from that survival program and and lifts

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Speaker 2: us into more of feeling like, hey, enjoy the time

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Speaker 2: to smell the flowers, you know, and if you don't

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Speaker 2: do it on purpose, the system by itself isn't going

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Speaker 2: to do it because we geared for survival. You can't

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Speaker 2: you can't take a chance to let go and relax

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Speaker 2: because that's when somebody's gonna sneak up on you. And

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Speaker 2: so it has to be conscious and deliberate. And most

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Speaker 2: people we snap into that sympathetic instantly. One shot, it's

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Speaker 2: something a noise of the bushes, and automatically that switches on.

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Speaker 2: But going to the powasympathetic that seems to need a

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Speaker 2: process and time and deliver it. So it's like we

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Speaker 2: anxiety and survival. But going in the other direction, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't snap so quickly, and it requires more conscious intentional

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Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't turn on so automatically like the

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Speaker 3: And I think those words don are very pertinent here,

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Speaker 3: and conscious intentional focus. I often talk in workshops to

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Speaker 3: people to busy corporates, and I say to them, there

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Speaker 3: is a big difference between relaxation and recovery. I said,

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Speaker 3: having your feet up watching Netflix with a bottle of

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Speaker 3: wine is not recovery. It's relaxation. It's very different. Gravy

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Speaker 3: and being on social media. You know, these things are

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Speaker 3: actually low level stimulators of our sympathetic nervous system. People

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Speaker 3: think they're recovering from the day, but they're actually not

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Speaker 3: really recovering, are they.

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Speaker 2: No? No, and stress that that lingers in the system

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Speaker 2: turns into anxiety and ultimately burnout and depression. So unless

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Speaker 2: you're proactive, you can expect that sharks and traumas, even

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Speaker 2: though you seem to recover from them, there's a lingering residue,

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Speaker 2: and that residue piles up. And that's what's so cool

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Speaker 2: about breath work. You get to get in and clean

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Speaker 2: all that stuff out and come back to a more

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Speaker 2: balanced state. But we just get accustomed to being unnatural.

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Speaker 2: It becomes it feels normal to be sort of, you know,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk.

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Speaker 3: Let's not resonant frequency breathing, right, which is and I'll

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Speaker 3: let you expand on it, but basically it's a it's

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Speaker 3: a breathing rate that is personalized, that connects the lungs,

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Speaker 3: the heart, and the brain. And but but you can

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Speaker 3: do a general like if you look in the literature,

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Speaker 3: the academic literature, it will say lots of people will

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Speaker 3: get most of the benefits without knowing their their true

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Speaker 3: resin frequency. Most people will get a lot of the

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Speaker 3: benefits from a ten second breath cycle. Now I've read

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Speaker 3: a number of different studies they talk about a ten

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Speaker 3: second breath cycle and use randomized control trials. One that

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Speaker 3: was it was using and it called a resident frequency breathing,

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Speaker 3: but it was measuring levels of amyloid beta in the blood,

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Speaker 3: the brain with Alzheimer's disease, but they also get into

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Speaker 3: the blood stream, and it showed that a couple of

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Speaker 3: months of doing resin frequency breathing actually cleared those amyloid beta.

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Speaker 3: But they used a five in five out and I

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Speaker 3: hear a lot about the five in five out, But

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Speaker 3: my preference has always been for the longer breath out because,

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Speaker 3: as you really pointed out at the start, when you

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Speaker 3: breathe in, you temporarily switch on your sympathetic nervous system.

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Speaker 3: Anybody can do this with a heart rate monitor. Take

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Speaker 3: a long, slow breath in, they'll see their heart rate

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Speaker 3: increase two or three beats, and then you do a

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Speaker 3: longer breath out and you'll see your heart rate relax.

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Speaker 3: What's your view on this is five and five. It's

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Speaker 3: just how we talked. We took a ten second breath cycle.

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Speaker 3: Then we can get onto the personalized If you were

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Speaker 3: doing a ten second breath cycle, would you do five

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Speaker 3: to five, would you do in for four, out for six,

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Speaker 3: would you do in for three, ut for seven? What

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and and the guy had I

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Speaker 1: And it's really useful. I think.

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Speaker 3: paced breathing, you're blowing off CO two and that low

432
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: CEO two changes cerebral blood flow in the brain, makes

433
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: you feel a bit woozy, but also is a hormetic

434
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: stressor for the brain. And both low CEO two and

435
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 3: a little bit of high seal turn a little bit

436
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: of transient hypoxya as well.

437
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: It's a hormetic stressor for the brain.

438
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: So and then you know the activation of the sympathetic

439
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: nervous system. Let's take our listeners on a journey as

440
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: to what happens. And whether you want to describe the

441
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: practice first in the physiology or do it the other

442
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: way up to you, but just walk us through the

443
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: technique and the physiology.

444
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, carbon dioxide CO two is a volatile acid.

445
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: That means it's critical in maintaining the acid based balance

446
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: in the body. If you hold your breath, CO two

447
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: builds up if you overbreathe hyperventilate, you blow off CO

448
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: two and you tip the pH Fortunately it's there are

449
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: many redundant extra things to make sure it stays in

450
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: the zone. So also, carbon dioxide is a vasodilator, so asthma,

451
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: for example, is constriction of these bronchial vessels. And if

452
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: you can tolerate the symptoms of air hunger, that means

453
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: that you are tolerating higher levels of CO two. Once

454
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: the CO two gets up to a good healthy level,

455
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: it triggers its vasodilation microvessels in the brain, bronchial vessels,

456
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: all the smooth muscles in the vessels of the body.

457
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: Carbon dioxide is what causes those to contract or relax.

458
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: So there's a vicious cycle that when you don't think

459
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: you're getting enough breath and you try to breathe more,

460
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: you're actually you're blowing off more coon dioxide, which causes

461
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: more vasal constriction, which gives you even more panic. And

462
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: so it's a vicious So a secret ists practice gentle

463
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: pauses after the exhale and give your system a chance

464
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: to come back into a decent level of coeal two.

465
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: Don't rush into the next inhale. So just the natural

466
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: breathing pattern to keep homeostasis, and you know everything imbalances

467
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: inhale exhale, pause, inhale exhale pause. This is a hardwired

468
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: we're sitting at rest. This is a natural breathing pattern

469
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: inhale exhale, and that pause and that pause needs to

470
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: be a comfort zone. It's like coming home, and you

471
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: want to make that a very important part of breathing,

472
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: not just inhale and exhale, but that pause after the exhale,

473
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: linger there for a few moments before you rush into

474
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: the next to inhale, and that's going to interrupt all

475
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: the mental activity that caused the mind to raise, is

476
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: going to chip away at the anxiety reactions and so on.

477
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: And so that's all physiological. Let's kickle and without realizing it,

478
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: we're screwing our chemistry up. When we're not conscious of

479
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: our breathing, we have dysfunctional breathing habits. So it's directly

480
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: is a direct connection because of that carbon dioxide phenomenon

481
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: when somebody when you hold your breath and you feel

482
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: this powerful urge to breathe, it's not because of lack

483
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: of oxygen, it's because build up of CO two. So

484
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: you don't need breathe. We're misreading the signals of air hunger.

485
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: And I think Peter Lishfield, who's my go to guy,

486
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: he says, we need one leader of air for every

487
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: leader of blood, and we're actually getting twenty leaders of

488
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: air for every leader of blood. So we're we don't

489
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: need to breathe any anywhere as much as we think

490
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: we do. And so getting comfortable with the slow breathing pattern,

491
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's that shifts everything, and over time it

492
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: resets your system. You're not so you don't get irritated

493
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: so much, you don't get triggered so much, you're not

494
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: so reactive. That's all a result of this sympathetic just

495
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: right there. Yeah, ready to go, So.

496
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Time just to jump in.

497
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: Also doesn't be taco breathing and work on that and

498
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: help people with that. And there's so many clinical benefits

499
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: of potaco breathing for people who have a re injured

500
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: different conditions.

501
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I met. I spent a lot of time

502
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: with doctor Boteko. I was in Russian nineteen nineties studying

503
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: with him and Patrick McEwan. Oxygen advantage breathing, the bolt test,

504
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's your bull test at the oxygen level test. Yeah,

505
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: that's really And Patrick McEwen was a Boutago person, you know,

506
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: so he went off, but he started, he healed himself

507
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: originally with Boutako method and then he went off on

508
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: his own. So oh yeah, if you have asthma, Boutako

509
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: what a what a what a brilliant intervention. Yeah, all

510
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: of his principles and also Patrick McEwan definitely definitely worth it.

511
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just give us, just give us a very

512
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: quick overview of what Bouteiko is actually all about.

513
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was a Russian doctor who who realized that

514
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: people are overbreathing and that asthma. He considered that asthma,

515
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: say fifty percent of asthma cases. Now even in the

516
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: US medically they say thirty percent of people diagnosed with

517
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: asthma don't even have asthma. The asthma is actually the

518
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: body trying to preserve combon oxide, he says. So if

519
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: common oxide, you're blowing off too much common oxide, the

520
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: body will constrict the bronchio vessels to stop you from

521
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: blowing off more CO two. So it's a He recognized

522
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: that asthma wasn't a disease, it was the body trying

523
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: to preserve CO two because people were blowing off too

524
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: much CO two by breathing too deep, too fast, too much.

525
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: And that was his insight as a very young medical student.

526
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: Even and he sat with a couple of hundred people

527
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: while they died, and he and he observed this what's

528
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: it called shane stops in the latter just before a

529
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: person dies, very very often they take these huge, heaving

530
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: breaths money and then boom, they're out. And he saw

531
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: that happen so often that in his young medical student

532
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: mind thought deep breathing equals death. But that at least

533
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: it was you know, it was a childish conclusion, but

534
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: it pointed him in the right direction that, wow, let

535
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: me look at this. So and he had his success

536
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: rate with asthma was through the roof, and he had

537
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: very simple principles, only breathe through your nose. Practice these

538
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: pauses after the xcale, don't take breaths, receive the breaths.

539
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: If you're going to focus on something, focus on the

540
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: exhale and let the inhale be reflexive. And then there's

541
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: another guy, Carl Stowe, who also is a US guy

542
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: doctor breath. They called him he used the counting method.

543
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: He would just have people come out loud, take a

544
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: normal breath in one two, three, four, five, six, seven,

545
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: eight nine ten, one two three, four, five, six, seven

546
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: eight nine ten one two three, four, five, six seven

547
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: eight nine ten, one two three, four, five, six, seven

548
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: eight nine ten, one two, three, four, five, six, seven

549
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: eight ninete one to three pot phisic seven eight nineteen

550
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: one two three pole pharsics. That was his whole training. Wow.

551
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: And he said, because if you get people, if you

552
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: get people to think about their breathing, they're going to

553
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: do something unnatural. So you have to trick them into

554
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: breathing healthy. So he gets them focusing on counting, so

555
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: they're not focusing on breathing, they're focusing on counting, and

556
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: by lengthening that count, they're lengthening the exhale. And then

557
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: and then if you squeeze, squeeze, count yourself out of breath.

558
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: Then when you relax, the breath pours in by itself.

559
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: It's a reflexive. It's very natural because when people try

560
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: to breathe in they use accessory muscles. Neck muscles show

561
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: the muscle then and they just make everything worse because

562
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: they're using muscles that don't belong in the breathing practice.

563
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: So by allowing the inhale to be reflexive, the system

564
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: can come into balance. And then as long as the

565
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: exhale is long and smooth and soothing and not forced

566
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: or strained, now you're heading, you're starting to you know,

567
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: really reset the system.

568
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: So before before we talk about the fast paced breaking

569
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: and the blowing off CO two, let's just stay on

570
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: CO two tolerance. Because so your background with divers, A

571
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: lot of divers, a lot of free divers will do

572
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: coeal two tolerance training and the whole boat test, a

573
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: lot of athletes will do it.

574
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: And actually, high long.

575
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: That somebody can tolerate CO two is quite a good

576
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: predictor of whether or not they'll they'll they'll pass special

577
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: Forces selection training.

578
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: Right, So there's crazy stuff about.

579
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: So what are some of the benefits of CO two

580
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: tolerance training that you may have come across.

581
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: Look at it in terms of like breath holding practice,

582
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: because a lot of it that's what it ends up

583
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: being in practical practice. Right, what's the value of breath holding?

584
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: The urge to breathe is the most powerful biological urge

585
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: that we have, and if you can relax in the

586
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: presence of that urge, you can relax anywhere. That's and

587
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: that's directly related to CO two because the longer you

588
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: hold your breath, the longer you the higher your CEO

589
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: two gets. And if you can still remain relaxed without

590
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: realizing it, that's what you're playing with. So so that's

591
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: the value of breath holding. You get comfortable with higher

592
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: and higher levels of CO two. You're learning to relax

593
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: when your system just wants to hijack you. And of

594
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: course for special forces, that's what you need. You need

595
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: somebody who can override those the panic and those urges

596
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: and get a handle on that stuff. So while the

597
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: benefit and the value is tremendous, but it really needs

598
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: to be supervised. And because when I was, you know,

599
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: I was practicing the stuff in nineteen seventy, we didn't

600
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: even have protocols. It was every man f himself. We

601
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: were just having contests who they helped it hole they

602
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: bread the longest, you know, and several times you get

603
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: so good at holding your breath, So the COEO two

604
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: levels going up, up, up, and you're fighting it. You're

605
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: fighting it. You're getting better and better with practice week

606
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: after week, day after day, month after month. Pretty soon

607
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: you're tolerating this huge high level of coeal two. But

608
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: while you're not aware of it, the oxygen level is

609
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: going down. Yes, yeah, And when the oxygen level gets

610
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: to a certain critical point, there is no warning. You

611
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: don't have any premonition. It's the lights just go out

612
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: with no warning, out of the blue. And that's called

613
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: shallow water blackout. If it happens during a folding dive.

614
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: You no, no beginner divers ever offer from shallow water blackout.

615
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: It's always very seasoned experienced divers because they got so

616
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: damn good at fighting off the CO two that the

617
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: low O two sneaks up on them. Yeah, and it's

618
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: usually just before they get to the surface.

619
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: And there's no wanting to go and don That is

620
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: a big reason why you should never do this type

621
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: of training in water, right, and unless you're experienced diver

622
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: and you've got buddies. But it's certainly not a technique

623
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: that you should do in your back and in your

624
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: back poll to try and increase your bath hold under water,

625
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: because you can't die.

626
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: And even the professionals and the world champions, they don't

627
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: practice in the water alone. They're smart enough to know

628
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: that they can get in their own way. And that's

629
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: why I quit free diving. I knew where it was going,

630
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: because you don't know, You don't know you've gone too

631
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: far until you've gone too far, and then it's too late.

632
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: So I could read the writing on the wall I

633
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: was getting. I had the record in the Navy from

634
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy six for breath will pretty

635
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: much yeah, And I saw where that was going because

636
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: I got so good at holding my breath that that

637
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: I was getting in my own way, in my own Yes,

638
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: very dangerous. So definitely don't practice in the water, and

639
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: if you do, you better make sure you have a

640
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: couple of people helping supporting.

641
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: Okay, let's not Let's get to the really interesting shit

642
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: for me, right, which is the somewhat the fast paced breathing,

643
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: the controlled hyperventilation they call it what you want, but

644
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: the blowing off of CO two and that activation of

645
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: the sympathetic nervous system, the big dump of adrenaline or

646
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: epinephron as you call it, across the water and the

647
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: impact on cerebral blood flow, the impact on Brian area

648
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: activation like pariacuaductyor gray like, there's.

649
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: Just cree easy shit that we're only starting to see now.

650
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: Talk us through this and then we can get into

651
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: techniques around it.

652
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: Yes, so you're getting into the whim Hoff territory. He's

653
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: he's the most famous one for recognizing and putting it

654
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: into a system and playing with it. Yeah, altered states,

655
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: ecstatic states, non ordinary states of consciousness, psychedelic states, you know,

656
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: theta delta states, brainwaves. All these things come about through

657
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, deliberately getting the system out of

658
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: balance and because then you access these non ordinary states

659
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: of consciousness. But it's very much like the early LSD research.

660
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: There's just life of them. They couldn't duplicate this up

661
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: in the lab. Everybody is so unique, same dosage, the

662
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: same person, same dosage, different trip. You just can't wrap.

663
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: So we don't know how to talk about this. And

664
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: that's what you're bringing up. All the crazy shit that

665
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: comes up when you go in the other direction and

666
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: you deliberately hyperactivate the sympathetic branch and you get comfortable

667
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: with that and you can be in a calm, central

668
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: place even though your system is you know, you're you're

669
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: in an eye of the storm, and that's powerful to

670
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: be able to manage those powerful energies and be able

671
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: to connect to dimensions or states of consciousness that are

672
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: not ordinary. People talk about them as like peak religious

673
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: states or psychedelic states. Are you know, estosa sounds very

674
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: woo woo, you know, because the language for yeah.

675
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: And there are people who will be listening to this

676
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: going fucking hell, this is woo woo. And there are

677
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: people who have done this who are all nodding their

678
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: heads and going yep. I've been there, and I can

679
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: tell you I have taken ayahuasca in the jungle. I

680
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: have been in a number of different non ordinary states

681
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: of consciousness, and I have been in non ordinary states

682
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 3: of consciouness breathing with you and doing some other breath

683
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: work sessions, and all of them seem to be that

684
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: blowing off of the CO two, the activation and sympathetic

685
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: nervous system. But for me, the interesting thing, and this

686
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to do the research, is what's happening with

687
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: the neurotransmitters in the brain.

688
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: So there is some.

689
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: Research that I'd seen that that is suggesting that maybe

690
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: the natural body's natural opioid system and the end of

691
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: cannabinoid system are activated with the reductions in cerebral blood flow.

692
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: And that seems to be interesting. I would imagine that

693
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: serotonin is involved in this. But but to your point,

694
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: freaking hard to measure, right, And they and the part of.

695
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: The brain that allows us to make sense of it

696
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: and understand that that's the part of the brain that

697
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: gets shut off. It's like you interstate, but then when

698
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: you come back to your normal state, there's no bridge,

699
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: there's no way to bring with you what you got

700
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: because through hyperventilation, you can you can reduce the supply

701
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: of oxygen to the brain, you know, by in half

702
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: in a minute. Anybody can just by hyperventilating. Yes, so

703
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: hyperventilation caused all that vaso constriction in the brain the

704
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: microvessels stops the blood from getting to the brain and

705
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: the nutrients. And yeah, so, but seems on the other

706
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: side of that, or alongside of that, we have faculties

707
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: or abilities that we were never forced to kind of

708
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: uncover in crisis states. People don't like the flow states.

709
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: You know, time something happens to time your sense of

710
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: self disappears. You got this feeling of connection to the

711
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: whole universe here the flow state, being in the zone runners.

712
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: I can remember as a young kid listening to Mario

713
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: Andretti say that when he was going around the track

714
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: at two hundred miles an hour, he could pick out

715
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: individual faces in the crowd one hundred thousand people in

716
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: that stadium and he and he wasn't joking, he was

717
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: sharing something real that he could get detailed faces in

718
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: that crowd while he's driving two hundred miles an hour

719
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: and one hundred thousand people. And Ted Williams, who I met.

720
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: I lived right by Ted Williams camp. He form one

721
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: of the best baseball players of all time. He said

722
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: he could see the stitches on the baseball when the

723
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: picture was adam. So that's being in the flow. That's

724
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: that's accessing this non ordinary states of consciousness. And people

725
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: stumble over it intuitively, they develop unconscious habits that contribute

726
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 2: to it. Sometimes just pure sheer will unlocks it. Sometimes

727
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: a crisis unlocks it, and sometimes a high, you know,

728
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: inspirational experience unlocks it. And it gives people that it's

729
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: kind of a key to unlocking these other capacities. I mean,

730
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: we know that what we see is only a tiny

731
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum. Yes, we see the RAI

732
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: road track. It looks like it meets in the distance.

733
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: We know that our senses are blocking more than they're

734
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: giving us in many ways. And the capacity for the mind,

735
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: the little narrow connection that we have to our thinking mind,

736
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: is limited more of life and reality than is revealing.

737
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: And there's something about opening and expanding and relaxing and

738
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: letting go. And for me that's in fifty years of

739
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: teaching and practicing and helping people in states and see

740
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: them spontaneously come these there are certain elements that I

741
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: found are vital. They're part of the formula. And one

742
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: is this ability to open and expand, open and expand

743
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: your mind open, expand your body, open and expand your structures,

744
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: open and expand emotionally, intellectually, this whole energetically, to just

745
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: open and expand get out of a narrow box that

746
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: we're living in. And the other people relax and let go.

747
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: But most people they're afraid to relax and let go.

748
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: Something terrible will happen if they do. When they were

749
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: traumatized or abused as children, it was because they were

750
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: in the most vulnerable open state, and they learned that

751
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: that's a dangerous place to be. And without realizing it,

752
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: we're avoiding the very state that holds all the potential

753
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: for us. And I love talking about the relaxation aspect

754
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: because it goes it's not recognized as important as it is.

755
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: So think about this. During your most relaxed moments of

756
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: your day, you're literally sleeping. I mean when you're in

757
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: a deep, profound sleep. That's when you're most relaxed. And

758
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: so most people have never been awake to experience that

759
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: deep relaxation because it only happens when they go unconscious.

760
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: And so when that relaxation happens in you're conscious, people

761
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: talk about it like a religious experience the first time.

762
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: Never been totally relaxed and wide awake. It's like a

763
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: peak religious experience. And so that's what's missing. If you

764
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: if you the average person relaxes and relaxes and relaxes

765
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: pretty soon fast asleep. The average person's reaction to relaxation

766
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: is sleep. And so what we need to do is

767
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: we need to get better and better at relaxation while

768
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 2: getting more and more awake. The only way to stay

769
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: awake is to use your breathing to keep energizing yourself.

770
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: So that's the key is finding this balance between active

771
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: breathing and relaxation. And that's where these hyper ventilation kind

772
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: of practices that trigger all these psychdelic states. That's what

773
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: people are evidently stumbling over. So the inhale active and

774
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: the exhale passive inhale active exhale passes. Now you're going

775
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: step by step. You're activating in a lit in a week,

776
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: relaxing relaxing, and it pretty soon those two things come together.

777
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: Usually people sacrifice one for the other. When they breathe

778
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: in a deep, powerful way, they don't relax, and when

779
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: they relax, they don't breathe. And it's a skill, it's

780
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: an art to not give up one for the other

781
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: to get, but to get more of both, and that's

782
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: what unlocks these states.

783
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: You just give me a flashback to I think it

784
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 3: was maybe twenty seventeen when I was in your workshop

785
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: and doing the breathing, and I think we were going

786
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: for about forty five minutes and you can rind to

787
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: me and you said, just let the breath go, relax

788
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: your breath out.

789
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: You're pushing too much. I just remember that, and that's

790
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: boom what you're talking about.

791
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: Now.

792
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: We can't talk about these non ordinary states of consciousness

793
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: without mentioning DMT. I think anybody who's listening to this,

794
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: who's done some of this for lawn breathing will be going, we'll.

795
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: Be shouting DMT.

796
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: DMT, right, which is a chemical in thebris and that's

797
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: released naturally in two part times of your life, once

798
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: at birth and once at death. And people think that

799
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: that's the whole tunnel and the light and all of that,

800
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: and that that open expansion experience. Any thoughts do you

801
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: have anything, because because a lot of this is conjecture

802
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: because it hasn't actually been physically measured, any personal thoughts

803
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: on this?

804
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: No, I think we are. I think we do. And

805
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people teaching breathing. They call it

806
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: DMT breathing, and yes, Google you can find people doing

807
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: offering these and the yogis. They figured out, hey, a

808
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 2: lot of these states of the yogis's due to these

809
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: chemicals dmds. So yeah, I think people are accidentally stumbling over,

810
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: pulling certain triggers and activating certain chemical shifts. I think

811
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: that's happening. But it's right. It's hard to measure and

812
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: it's hard to duplicate. So yeah, but I think it's

813
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: part of it. I mean, everything's chemistry on level. Uh,

814
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: you know, the chemicals and tear drops of joy are

815
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 2: different than sadness, and our salivo when we're pissed off

816
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: and angry istally different than when we're peaceful. So I mean,

817
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: everything's chemistry. But it's a chicken or an egg thing too, right,

818
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 2: So if I put myself with me that is related

819
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: to d MT, my brain is going to produce a

820
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: DMT just to kind of like, you know, keep it

821
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: and vice versa. So it's a chicken or an egg thing.

822
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: I think. I I think we can transcend the bodymind

823
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: system in some ways, and we can up level the

824
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: bodymind system, and we can teach the bodymind system new

825
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: ways to respond. You know, where survived were running on

826
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: old survival programs, and I think that can all be

827
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: up leveled. And breath work, that's my my focus in

828
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: breath work is to just you know, we're running on

829
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: all survival programs that are outdated. We don't need them,

830
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: but the system just is running on a habit. And

831
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: so I think with breath work, we can make some

832
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: real serious chemical shifts, not just momentary or temporary, but

833
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: general default states chemically can shift and change. And now

834
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: you're into brain waves, right, because all those chemicals also

835
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: relate to alpha beta data the VADA lay. So yeah,

836
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: it's uh, there's.

837
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: So much potential study to be done in this.

838
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: But the problem is is that we we can't just

839
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: live sample neurotransmitters in the Brian with people. We can

840
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: stick them in an fl fMRI scanner, and some of

841
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: that is now being done, which is interesting, but that's

842
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: not the be all and end all.

843
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that brings me on to some of.

844
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 3: That want to talk about, which was in these these

845
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: breathwork states that the hyperventilation, holotropic, whatever you want to

846
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 3: call it. I have witnessed with you, I'm with others

847
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 3: doing this, people who have been through trauma having significant releases.

848
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 3: So what you kind of alluded a little bit to

849
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 3: what might be happening, But watch yours that you will

850
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: have seen this on so many different times. What do

851
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: you think is going on here? I mean, this is

852
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: Basil vander Cox. The body keeps the score, right. I

853
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: think this plays into it a little bit. But what

854
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: do you think is going on?

855
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: Having been somebody who's been at this for fifty years.

856
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I came out of the Vietnam Era

857
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: and I lost four five friends to suicide PTSD just

858
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: could Yeah, they were they were just stuck.

859
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

860
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: Where where My formula involves three that we have to

861
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: become more mindful. We have to become more conscious. We

862
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: have to develop interception. We're afraid to feel things, and

863
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: and the stuff you don't feel gets suppressed and it

864
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: comes up in ugly ways, and it blocks the flow

865
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: of energy. You know in the East, you know, they're

866
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: these knotties one hundred thousand tiny energy channels acupunch of meridians,

867
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: and you start thinking in terms of energy and blockages

868
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: of energy, and that creates a chain reaction, right, you know,

869
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: Toxins build up in your system and and and so

870
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: breathing is kind of like a rotor router to blast

871
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: away all these blocked energy channels. And trauma is stored

872
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: in the body and and and suppressed emotions are stored

873
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 2: in the body. And that's why people live in their

874
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: head because it's too uncomfortable to be in their body

875
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: with all this stuff. That's stored there. Barnett Baine, the

876
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: Book of Doing and Being one of my favorite guys.

877
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: He talks about if you take a puppy away from

878
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: its mother, you you're gonna hear from both of them.

879
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: Mother's not happy. Where are you going with my puppy?

880
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: And the puppy feels what Barnett would call overwhelming feelings

881
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: of aliveness. They are distressing feelings of aliveness, but they

882
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 2: are feelings of aliveness. Nonetheless, you've severed an energetic bond

883
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: between the mother and the baby, and that causes horrible,

884
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: uncomfortable feelings in the body of the baby. So what

885
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: do you do to escape those feelings? You gotta leave

886
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: your body. You go unconscious, you numb yourself, you detach

887
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: you in your right. And so getting to early traumas

888
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: is really important because I think a lot of the

889
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: traumas that we experience are replaying in one version or

890
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: another of an early original trauma. And when I first

891
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: got into breath work, when I as soon as got

892
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: out of the military, I got into rebirthing, and that

893
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: was about birth trauma and how that laid down a

894
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: pattern for all the rest of your life. Life is

895
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: a struggle. I can't get what I want. The universe

896
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: is against me. That first breath hurts so much that

897
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: you never took another full breath after that. And that

898
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: was my introduction into the connection here between the emotional,

899
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: psychological the trauma stuff. And you can't think your way

900
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: out of trauma because it's physical. It's a month. It's

901
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: like trying to stort.

902
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: Your way out of a cocaine habit don.

903
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, yeah, But it's also trying to explain this stuff.

904
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: Is trying to explain the kaleidoscope to You can't explain it.

905
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: You have to experience it now substantute for experience.

906
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: This is a pointing question, right, because if there are

907
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 3: any psychologists listening to this, right, they will be going

908
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: people should not be fucking doing that. They should not

909
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: be in breath work and investigating trauma and stuff like that.

910
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you so my experience in this, I've

911
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: never had any trauma. I've been to lots of breath work,

912
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: and I've seen all around people having these releases and

913
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: talking about them afterwards. And then my little guy who's

914
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: fifteen years old, a couple of years ago, after he

915
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 3: had Cushing's disease, which is a horrible disease that give

916
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: him shocking mental health issues, and the psychologists were shit.

917
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: They just wanted to label him with an eating disorder,

918
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: which he had disordered eating because of the Cushing's disease

919
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: and the obsessive compulsive staff. Right, he went to a

920
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: breath work session with Barney locally, did all of this

921
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: breathing and started crying uncontrollably.

922
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on, but didn't

923
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: feel upset. And then afterwards he said he had a release.

924
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: And then the next time we talked about every time

925
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: we talked about Cushing's disease, he would well up and

926
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: he couldn't.

927
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: Talk about it. And after that bomb, he could just

928
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: talk about it and it was all gone.

929
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: And he actually said to me as a fifteen year old,

930
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: he said to me, a couple of weeks ago, Dad,

931
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: we were talking about psychologists and the whole labeling and

932
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and he said to me, if I

933
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: ever have mental health issues, I'm going nowhere near a psychologist.

934
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to a breath work session. Right.

935
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: And the psychology not like that. But they don't own

936
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: mental health. They don't own this pace right, that's the key.

937
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to PASD in psychology. I know a lot

938
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 3: about it, but I'm mad at to.

939
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: A psychotherapist, a depth psychotherapist. I have so many friends

940
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: as psychiatrists, psychologists. I've seen, not even exaggerating, thousands of

941
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: people in the last fifty years teaching breath work get

942
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: over psychological and emotional issues just through breathing without talk

943
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: therapy in one session. And it's not exact, so something natural.

944
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: It's a natural phenomenon that is getting triggered. When I

945
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: cut myself, my body heals itself. That should happen psychologically

946
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: and emotionally.

947
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: It wants to happen.

948
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: We must be doing something to get in the way.

949
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: And I love psychologists. I trained psychologists. If you're a

950
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: psychologist and you include breath work and your practice, you're

951
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: going to be an even better one. Not doubt about it.

952
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Great, but.

953
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 2: We have natural healing capacities. The human every the body

954
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: wants to heal itself, the mind wants to heal itself,

955
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,479
Speaker 2: and we just got to help it at least stop

956
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: getting in the way of it. That's a good start.

957
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: Breath holding, you're getting in the way of it. Tensing up,

958
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: you're getting in the way of it. So just breathe

959
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: and relax, and already the body is going to be

960
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: able to do more. And if you can breathe and

961
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: relax for an extended period of time, then your body

962
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: mind system has a real chance to do some deep

963
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: repair and healing and recovery and release. And yeah, there's

964
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: too many. The evidence is just overwhelming. There's no nobody

965
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: can logically argue with it anymore because there's just too many,

966
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: too much evidence holotropic breath work, and you know, there

967
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: were just the list goes on and on. I don't

968
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: think there are any psychologists. They're all holding out at

969
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: the moment saying that breathing doesn't help, you know. I

970
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 2: don't think there's too many left.

971
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's suppose it.

972
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: If they if they look into it, that they it

973
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: is and if they experienced it, if they were indiverse,

974
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: they would see it.

975
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: Right.

976
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: But I've had a lot of medical doctors, you know,

977
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: people have you start having the symptoms of hyperventilation during

978
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: a breathing session and the doctor goes, well, yeah, of course,

979
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: because low CO two you got to add ALTHI it's

980
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: not blah blah, blah, and they have all this medical

981
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: understanding of it, and it almost gets in the way

982
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: of something natural that's trying to happen. We put on

983
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: top of it what we know and what we think,

984
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: and so there's enough of that in the world. We

985
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: need to inside out kind of healing process and not

986
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: a come from above and outside in and that's what

987
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: breathing is. And and as soon as a medical doctor,

988
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: and I've had very skeptical medical doctors, once they have

989
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: an experience, then they're encouraging their patients. They say, look,

990
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: I can't explain you, but it'll help you. Go ahead

991
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: and do it. So but they need to have their

992
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: own experience to feel comfortable about advising other people. So

993
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: that's the answer. We just got to get more psychologists,

994
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: more doctors doing the practice, and then they hey, the

995
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: proof is in the pudding, and then they'll find a

996
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: talk about it. And it's happening a lot of psychotherapists

997
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: in a lot of countries in Europe, breath work is

998
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: a module in their psychotherapy training.

999
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's cool, I see built in already and

1000
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: about time. I actually think, just as a little aside

1001
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 3: that CO two tolerance training can be very very useful

1002
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: for people with anxiety, particularly anxiety that's not extreme.

1003
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: I think that and greeted.

1004
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: Progressive overload physical activity of increasing intensity so that they

1005
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 3: learn to deal with the adrenaline because for me, a

1006
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: lot of it is just about and an inability to

1007
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: tolerate high levels of adrenaline and and the associated feelings

1008
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: that go with it.

1009
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hey, listen for the seal too, doctor Peter Litchfield. Uh,

1010
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: and he's now got this. He does capnography and capnometry

1011
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 2: and uh oh, it's uh, it's the cutting edge in

1012
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: real time. Just showing what CO two does to cognition,

1013
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: reaction time unarguable. One little tweak and the breathing and

1014
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: immediately instantly symptoms and issues and deficits immediately effect is

1015
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: just unarguable. And now he's it's the technology is with

1016
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: the wearable technologies and the breathing monitors, they're they're tweaking

1017
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: it and it's uh, it's very cool. There's no technolo.

1018
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: You are giving us a big advantage. The old yogis

1019
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: of ancient times. It took years and years and years

1020
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: of trial and error. Now with the technology we've got boom,

1021
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: you can you can zero right in on things. So

1022
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: it's very cool.

1023
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: So donad we do need to wrap this up unfortune,

1024
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: But I've got another podcast, but just a quick one.

1025
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: In terms of contraindications for different types of breath work,

1026
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 3: presumably almost everybody can do the slow control breathing, any

1027
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 3: cultra indications for seal two tolerance straining and particularly for

1028
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 3: the controlled hyperventilation, and what can people do on their

1029
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 3: own and what do they need guide to practice around.

1030
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: If you do little bits, you know, thirty seconds of

1031
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: active breathing followed by beautiful long size and meditation, you're

1032
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: not going to go too far if you push and

1033
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: strain yourself. But if you have heart problems, if you're

1034
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: you know, compulsive obsessive, if you don't want to get

1035
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: caught into counting and having it be perfectly you know,

1036
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: I just dealt with somebody with compulsive We're compulsive of

1037
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: any of that thing, and like the worst thing is

1038
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: having them count four seconds in four seconds. Just practice

1039
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 2: awareness and just enjoy the sensations. Don't don't try to

1040
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: be perfect, don't try to measure. And people who are

1041
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: on lithium, I think that's used for bipolar.

1042
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a tiptoe, be gentle, even people with

1043
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 3: heart issues, pregnant women.

1044
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: You can do all that stuff, just modulated on the

1045
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 2: gentle side, and then everything's okay. Just be a little

1046
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: more gentle, a little slower, take your time, don't push.

1047
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody can bend over and pick up a

1048
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: weight and spring their back. That doesn't mean that weightlifting

1049
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: is bad. Small weights and you build up and you

1050
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: practice good form, and same thing with breathing. You don't

1051
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: have to shy away from it. Just be conscious, take

1052
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: a time, be gentle, and you and you just keep

1053
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 2: getting better and better.

1054
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: Very cool.

1055
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: Don In an era and nigh where breathwork has become

1056
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 3: trendy and it's not its own standalone biohack, it is

1057
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 3: pretty awesome to have the guru of breathwork training that

1058
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: you know.

1059
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: Vim Hoff's the famous dude. You're the guru. You're the

1060
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: one that's been around.

1061
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I was doing this long before it was a thing.

1062
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: You know. I'm glad the world caught up. I used

1063
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: to feel like a voice crying out in the desert

1064
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: even when I was in the military. Brew him in

1065
01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: that breathing meeting ship, you know, meditations. But now maybe

1066
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: seals are being forced to practice breathwork. They you can't

1067
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: get around it anymore. So thank god, thank god science

1068
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: medicine is waking up and catching up.

1069
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, where can people go to find out

1070
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: more about you? And folks? Courses? Those sorts of things

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Speaker 1: online stuff? What do be gone?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Thank you? Yeah, breathmastery dot com, breadmastery dot com.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram at Dan Brule Official. Easier you google

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Speaker 2: breath work. It's hard to not bump into me. But

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Speaker 2: breathmaster dot com is my website and you'll find there.

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Speaker 2: We have a I've written an article about breathing every

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Speaker 2: month or published a report since June of nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 2: and I've never missed a month.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So the archives, Yeah, that's what you call an obsession.

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Speaker 2: June of nineteen seventy I published my first article University

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Speaker 2: of Massachusetts and I've never missed a month since then.

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Speaker 3: So you're just you're just shy of fifty years of

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Speaker 3: an article every month.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: That is dedication to the craft.

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Speaker 2: It's more than yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. So

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Speaker 2: breathmaster dot com my archives. It'll take you years to

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Speaker 2: literally and uh Instagram at dan Play Official, and I've

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Speaker 2: got a bunch of online courses free ones, paid ones.

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Speaker 2: I I certified practitioners, so you get your feet wet.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm I'm always wondering what's the next higher possibility,

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Speaker 2: you know, what's the maximum potential. I'm I'm hungry for

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Speaker 2: people who that's what they're after, you know, and let's

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Speaker 2: let's find out together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 3: Well, well Don, you weren't you were the guy who

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Speaker 3: put a rocket chip under my interests.

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Speaker 1: I was interested, and then I went to years and

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Speaker 1: I was I was converted.

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Speaker 3: So so thank you for for really bringing me into

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Speaker 3: the breath work world, and as you have done many

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Speaker 3: many other people. Uh and yeah, keep doing what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully we got monthly articles for you for many

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Speaker 3: years to come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. My this October article just went out today,

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Speaker 2: I think, so there you have it.

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Speaker 1: Excellent, great stuff. Thanks Don.