WEBVTT - #2147 Same-Same, But Different - Patrick Bonello 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.480 I'll get Aga Rivers. It's Jumbo, it's Fatty Harps, It's 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:09.360 the Youth Project, Patrick and Tiff Day. Of course, every 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.560 fourteenth day of my life, I'm subjected to complete fucking 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.000 chaos and trauma and turmoil. I have to get myself 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.919 up to do my like my box breathing before I start. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.080 I need to meditate. I need to get as zen 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.880 as I can, because I know I'm stepping onto the 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.280 roller coaster of chaos, a verbal chaos for an hour. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.200 But like a big boy, I put on my big 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.919 boy pants and fucking front up yet again, Hello chaos, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.080 How are you both? What a ride it is? 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.839 What a ride it is, isn't it? 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:44.600 It's the best. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.760 Sometimes I end up with whiplash after these sessions. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.200 Patrick sitting over there like he spent yesterday at Saint 0:00:53.240 --> 0:01:00.800 Vincent de Paul, sitting telling you boasting about he's knitted 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:06.959 jumper which has got a dinosaur on it. And last 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.240 week or last time he was NASA, he was in 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:14.400 his full NASA uniform. Sheldon, you're like a short Sheldon. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.680 It's a park, isn't it. Yeah, it's It's a great 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.560 knitted jumper, isn't it it's got this Jurassic stegosaurus. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.360 I tell you what. If there's one thing that I love, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.840 it's a bald gay man in a diner short saw 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.959 me the jumper. Fuck. If that doesn't do it for me, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.440 If that, if you can't start a cult with that jumper, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.480 you just not trying. He's come out punching, hasn't he? 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:45.080 TIFF's offensive today? 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.360 Really defensive? How on earth am I defensive? Name one 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.040 thing that I've done? What? I'm on the attack. I'm 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:53.680 on the attack. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.400 That's the opposite of defense, the art of war. You know, 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.200 the best defense is an offense. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.040 I don't think you've read that book. I've actually read that. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.360 I have read it. I have read the article. I've 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.160 got a copy of it. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.040 And the next time I see I'm going to throw 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.480 it at you. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:15.200 Yeah. Yeah, keep your friends and enemies closer. That's the 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:21.760 enemy of my enemy is my friend. He was ahead 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.520 of his time. All so so amazing. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.600 It gets quoted in so many sci fi books so 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.040 soon again, so many books full stop. Everyone quotes on 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.519 So it's amazing book. And the interesting thing about it. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.400 If you haven't read it, you really should, because it's 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.600 the art of War is about the art of life 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:42.320 and interacting with people, and corporate life and just everyday life. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.080 It is phenomenal. Have you read it, Tith, No, I 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.399 have not. It's very good. Well, you'd like it too, 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.239 because you're a boxer, you're a little pugilist. You love 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.520 you go to war every now and then in the cage, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.880 not in the cage, in the ring, Patrick, no comment 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:02.760 from you, war every four night? Ah? Yeah, we do, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.920 we do. Patrick. All still in a aside. How are you? 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.119 What is going on on planet you? Oh? Yeah, Look, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.200 I've got a wedding coming up this weekend. Not me. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:13.240 I'm not getting married. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.519 But at the last minute my cousin said, you reckon, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.040 you wouldn't mind filming it for us? 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.040 Oh, so now the job, I don't mind it. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.560 She's one of my favorite cousins. So, my god, you met, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:26.359 If you. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.760 Met mister Wright, would you get married or is that 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.440 not a yeah? Maybe or no? No? I don't think so. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.080 I don't understand the need for I mean I understand 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:44.160 the need for the I guess the legal implications of 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.240 being in a partnership that's recognized. So I think I 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.800 was very much a pro supporter of the idea of 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.560 equality there, but the old institution of marriage. I kind 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.040 of still think it's a bit kind of churchy, and 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.000 I can understand why a lot of churchy people were 0:03:58.080 --> 0:03:58.960 upset with it. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:03:59.680 That's it. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.680 I would certainly advocate for anybody to do whatever they 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.920 bloody will like, just personally, I don't see a need 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.640 for it, because you know, under most laws you don't 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.480 need to get married to have your relationship recognized. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.480 So no, I wouldn't. What about you, Tiff, if you 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.360 had a bloke in your life, I don't know, some 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.680 hypothetical like a guy who was a paramedic and a 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.800 chef and funny and lovable, and at the moment. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.640 You asked Patrick this question, I knew what was really 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.799 going on. I'm just saying it for you to bring 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.280 this conversation into it. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.839 It was just a fucking a segue to get to you. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.919 But I didn't want to be I was trying to 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.800 be the cognitive covert operative. But you didn't let me 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.640 get away with are you and Scott getting married anytime soon? 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.560 I just thought I'd cut through all the bullshit. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.120 Then, No, Craig Anthony Harper, we are not. There are 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.080 no plans to be getting married anytime soon, Thank you 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:51.440 very much. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.960 I take that as a yes. Listeners, that's a yes, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.640 that's a hard yes. What role would Patrick play and 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.720 what role would I play at your wedding? 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.040 I think Patrick would be the flower boy and you 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.520 would definitely be You would definitely. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.000 I'd be security, right, I'll be car Parker. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.839 We'd be my maid of honor. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.479 I'd make them I'd love that if you made me 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.280 made of honor. I would wear a dress and I 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.080 would pull that ship off beautifully. Did we have matching outfits? Tith, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:22.800 you would marry us Harms. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.720 You'd be the guy celebrate you can you? 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.799 You could do it without swearing. That not a chance 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:36.159 if you did that. If I didn't swear, I'd get fired, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:36.599 wouldn't I. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:37.960 Yeah, Yeah, that's. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:43.000 Exactly Yeah, yeah yeah, Friends and family of the bride 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.240 and groom, you comes welcome. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.240 Craig now offers celebrancy services. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.520 How many people would book you as a celebrant? You 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.560 really get your Yeah, that side hustle. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.440 It wouldn't be a very spiritual experience, but it'd be memorable. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.880 He made to By the way, friend of mine, lovely 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.560 lady who's a celebrant. She's kind of straying towards funerals now, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.640 so maybe you could do that as well. I reckon 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.880 more funerals people should stay up and say, you know what, 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:15.760 he was a real cunt. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.520 None of this listen to you. Li's to you, Patrick, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.719 it sounds it sounds wrong when you say it. I 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.800 know I don't swear often on the air. Deal I'd 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:26.520 actually don't swear. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.720 I try not to, you know, I'd said to someone recently, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.400 I have been swearing more since doing this podcast, and 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.040 I think it's influence. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:41.720 That's called swearing by osmosis. Yes, psychological sociological osmosis, we'll 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.400 call it. Yeah, I do you know how many people 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.160 have said to me over the years, and I couldn't 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.039 be prouder. I swear more because of you. I'm like, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:50.520 you're welcome, it's great. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.919 Hey, just now you asked us the question, if you 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.200 happen to meet the automaton of your life, would you 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:58.960 break No? 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.680 Do you want me to think about that more? You 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.560 might not realize I've had a few opportunities in the 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:12.760 last forty years, so that's a hard pass. But that's 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.880 not I'm with you. It's like, I think the fact 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.680 that people can't just as long as they're not hurting anyone, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.720 choose to live, you know, get married, don't get married, cohabitat, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.960 fucking see each other. I've got friends they're married. This 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.240 is going to sound weird. I would say they almost 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.160 have the best marriage that I know. They never I 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.320 know they never blew because I know them both well. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.160 They live in separate houses because they got married when 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.040 they were like forty, you know, second time around, they 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.920 fucking love each other. Generally they're at you know, one 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.960 of the other's house, but it's probably three nights a 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.840 week where they don't. And I think the fact that 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.160 they're not in each other's I'm not saying this how 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.320 it is with others, but like they say, oh we 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.040 love each other, we love being together. We also love space, 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.200 and it doesn't diminish our relationship, it improves it. Like 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.920 she said to me the other day, I get excited 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.280 when I'm going to see him. I don't think too 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.640 many wives are saying, Oh, my husband's coming home. I'm 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.080 so excited, you know. I don't know. I'm not saying 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.840 that's the optimal model, but what I'm saying is like, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.280 different things work for different people. So I'm not mad 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.520 at that idea. So TIF maybe that's a potential. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.719 My uncle and Auntie were like that for years and 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.040 years and years, and I always said that was the 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.960 most they had the most brilliant relationship. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.720 Yeah, yeah, it works. I could do that. I reckon. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.880 I would struggle now after well eleven years or so, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:51.800 like I don't even know how long. It's not quite 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.960 eleven years. But I reckon I would would struggle to 0:08:54.960 --> 0:09:00.800 cohabitate with anybody except oh yeah, yeah, a thirty. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.960 Minute kind of rule at my house. It's like, if 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.880 you're here at thirty one minutes, it's like that's too much. Now. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.559 I love you, but I know your ace, But can 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.200 you go? Oh, I feel I spent a whole night 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.360 at your place? You did? You did? I know? Next 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.640 time you should try the other bedroom. There's lots of 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:24.000 space in there. I mean, spoon by yourself. Crago, that's true. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.319 Let's talk about something that's not ridiculous. Oh sorry, that's right. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:35.440 What we're you here? For? Two thirds of Australians leave 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.600 private information that is open to cyber criminals. Home Affairs 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.120 Research tells us do tell Patrick. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.760 This is a real issue for so many people because 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.400 cyber criminals are now able to just skim through social 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.240 media and all that sort of stuff. This research was 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.240 commissioned by the Australian Department of Home Affairs and what 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:02.000 they found was sixty four percent of Australians had identifying 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.000 information about them that was publicly visible. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:06.160 So what does that mean. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.200 It means that people are putting too much of their 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.560 private information online and they potentially could be at risk 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.319 from identity theft, and that's what it's about. The other 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.400 thing I found I found was quite interesting as well, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.880 is that younger people are more at risk as well. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.600 They seem to be putting more stuff online that can 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.000 identify them. So it's things like putting your phone number, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:30.000 your email address, and not knowing that your social media 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.440 privacy settings you should be scrutinizing them. You should be 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.120 checking those. And even when you install an app on 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.800 your phone, does the app ask for access to your 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.200 microphone and camera? That that often happens and you say 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.360 to yourself, well, why does it need access to my 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.240 phone and camera? You know, if it's say Facebook, why 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.600 do they need that information? And then if you stop 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.520 using the app, get rid of it, you know, or 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.079 revoke access to whatever it is that it's got access too. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.839 So you know, that's kind of worrying. Recently, there's a 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.760 very popular program used to build websites. It's called word Press, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.319 and we build our own sites for our clients in WordPress, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.600 and so I have a dedicated person and their only 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.480 job is to go through and check every site every 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.800 week to make sure security settings are up to date. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.600 And now what cyber criminals are doing is they're getting 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.960 legitimate apps or plugins that go into the WordPress platform 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.880 and instead of hacking them, that are buying out the 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.640 company and then using that by stealth to access people's websites. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.440 So this is a real problem. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.319 And so whether it's your security online by just using 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.360 social media, you've got you think hard about what you're 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.720 giving access to, what you're giving permission to every single 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.520 time that you install an app. And I think this 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.199 is kind of really good information to have out there 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.360 in the wild and to make you think, how many 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.040 bloody apps have you got on your phone? I've probably 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.240 got over two hundred on mine, and how many do 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.120 I use every day? Maybe you know, so I'm just 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.640 as guilty as everybody else. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:10.920 Yeah, Yeah, it's it's so much kind of thinking and 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.360 talking and awareness now around. I think we talk about 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.240 it too much, probably probably on this show we do. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.720 But yeah, just the impact of having so much shit 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:25.400 on your phone. Yeah, we spoke last night with David Gillespie, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.880 who you know of mate, and the impact of just 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.199 people being basically captured by these apps, and of course 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.680 Instagrams are biggie and the physiological and psychological and mental 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.559 health issues from that, as well as all the stuff 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.800 you're talking about where people can now be hacked and 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.880 tricked and deceived and you know, basically ruined financially. There's 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.120 not a whole lot of upside to a lot of 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.200 the apps, I think. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:55.920 And I know it's if you went through your own 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.440 journey with the securities, you know, in terms of being being. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:00.520 Hacked and all that's sort of stuff. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.000 It's so traumatic to go through that, and if you 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.800 can maybe have a look and try to avoid it 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.760 any way, you can just by go through and delete 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.880 a lot what I really love about my phone. I'm 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.199 sure Apple must do it as well. I regularly get 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.600 updates on apps that I haven't used for a while, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.120 and I'm sure a lot of you see that, take 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.000 notice of it, have a look at what it was 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.160 that you haven't used for a while, and then think 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.839 about whether that app has access to your camera, to 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.920 your microphone. Delete the little bugger and get rid of it. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.599 And it also means your phone will probably run a 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.200 little bit better because you've got more memory capacity on it. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.760 I'm digressing, But Patrick, have you seen that shot? I 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.040 know you don't know. You probably haven't because you don't 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.560 watch much Telly, have you seen a show called Person 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:45.160 of Interest? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:46.079 No? 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.480 Like, if you should ever watch a TV series, it's 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:57.840 this because I tell you why. It's between two thousand 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.080 and eight and two fifteen. I think it was two 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.880 thousand and nine twenty fifteen. And what's fascinating is watching 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:12.319 this show basically predict what's happening now with and they 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:17.599 talk about AI overtaking basically the world and all like 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.840 so much of the stuff that's happening in real time 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:27.560 right now. They were doing a pretend kind of whatever 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:33.080 about it. Yeah, ten earlier, like fourteen years ago. And 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.960 it's so well thought through and so well planned, and 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.440 it's not really at all clunky. It goes for about 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.640 five seasons, but if you went down that rabbit hole, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.240 and I think you'd like the characters in it too. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.360 Tif you probably would as well. But I don't think. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.200 I don't know why. I think Patrick has more time 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:56.000 than you, but got attentions Dan such. I don't know. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.640 This is a weird one that I'm going to shut 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.320 up and get you to talk about something else. But 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.280 the other day I was at a at the gym 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.400 that I train at. But you see this at most 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.560 gyms in Australia where there's a wall of personal trainers. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.800 You've seen this. You go in, here's all our trainers, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.840 Bob and Sally and right and right there on the 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.960 wall is their phone number. So any weirdo in that 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.320 gym can go, oh, this young lady in the gym, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.520 who's wow, she's lovely. Now I've got her phone number. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.240 I reckon. They need to stop doing that, you know, 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.160 I think. But it's still happening like it happens at 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.840 the gym. I won't name it, but where where we 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.200 all train and. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.320 Their personal phone number though, or is that a phone number. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:47.000 That that's their mobile number? Because yeah, they're all different. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.440 It's not the gym number, you know, you get. 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.520 What they call e sims where you don't need a 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.040 physical SIM card, and most phones have the capability to 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.280 be able to have a physical SIM and an e SIM. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.560 And I think that for most people in business, I 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.440 know that we give out our numbers, but if you 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.800 were a personal trainer, particularly a female personal trainer, maybe 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.680 get a like not a burn a phone, but get 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.400 an alternate number and you can have it on the 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:11.920 same phone. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:12.880 You don't need two phones. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.040 You just use the same phone two different numbers, and 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.600 then you can just block anything or turn off that 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:22.280 other number whenever you keep away from from strange people. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.600 Well that makes sense. If do you hand out your number, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.720 like do you who? What needs to happen for you 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.040 to be able to be comfortable to give your phone 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:32.800 number to someone? 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.040 Well, if I'm having a if I'm in person with them, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.960 or I'm having a conversation, I'll give them my number. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.120 It would be on my business cards. I'd say, I 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.320 don't really have a queue in it. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.600 I think I got on the craig off the back 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.040 of a toilet door. Yeah, well that could have been 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.360 one of one hundred doors I mean yeah, yeah, was 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.840 it just above a picture of a cock and balls 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.840 was that I wasn't going to go there. I was 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.320 gonna let he start right. He starts to make me 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.639 feel uncomfortable, and then I don't get uncomfortable and I 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.840 ramp it up and you're then you all get fucking 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.120 blushy it. Don't come to the dance if you don't 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.080 want to dance. Brock and hell fuck and you're like 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.040 ha ha, So I down the toilet door and then 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:22.919 I got cock and balls and you're like, oh, I 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.520 don't want to be here, let me out of here. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.560 Fucking hell, you gotta go hard or don't go at all. No, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.480 it was. It was a sketch of someone kneelking down. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.400 You know, you know where you got my number off 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.840 your chest when I wrote it on there with lipstick? 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:45.639 Your bitch? All right? O? Could I just apologize to 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.960 everybody I started that? This is why they come. Do 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.240 they care it? They didn't give a fuck about tech. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.160 They just want to hear journeying. People go I love 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.960 you and Tiff and Patrick, and then never saying because 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.840 Patrick's so good at tech, they love it because of all, 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.760 They're like, fuck Patrick and his tech. I just want 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:07.960 to hear you. Three hang shit on each other. Bluetooth 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:13.560 tracker hidden in a podcast. Oh sorry, hitten, in a postcard? 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.440 How's my dick? How's my dick? Slexia going Yeah, let 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.879 me start again from the top. Welcome back. This is 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:26.719 a you project. I'm jumbo, I'm verbally challenged. Bluetooth tracker 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.679 hidden in a postcard and mailed to a warship canal 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.520 exposed its location five dollars gadget puts a five hundred 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.879 and eighty five million Dutch ship at risk for twenty 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.200 four hours. Do tell Patty how good is this? It's 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.240 kind of scary as well. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:47.320 So the Dutch air defense frigate, the Everston, it was 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.480 part of a NATO operation, just a joint forced operation, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.880 and they encourage the sailors on board, the seamen. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:19:04.560 To have look girl, see like I opened the legit 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.200 door for you, just like here you go, be a 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.440 grown up, put on your big boy pans, talk about 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.520 tech all right, continue on with your seaman story and 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:14.040 carry on. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.879 I encourage the sailors to have regular contact with family 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.400 and friends. And someone hid a Bluetooth tracker. So one 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.280 of those trackers, like an Apple a tag in a 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.760 package that was sent to the ship and it wasn't discovered, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.879 and potentially it was you know, it meant that they 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.800 could pinpoint exactly where it was in the sea or 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.880 the ocean, wherever it was. It's quite an interesting kind 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.840 of concept now that you can, you know, put these 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.679 trackers everywhere, and we hear I often hear stories about, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.640 you know, people who put trackers in cars or put 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.960 it in you know, who might be stalkers and can 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.520 use these trackers to track people down. So the fact 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.479 that it was on a warship is pretty pretty epic. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:05.919 They did eventually find it, but they don't really you know, 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.720 no one really thought of the full ramifications because an 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.399 air tag costs like twenty nine bucks, you know, and 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.760 you can even get the cheaper Amazon ones, like you 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.399 can get an Android one for about ten dollars, and 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.480 these trackers could potentially pinpoint anything car warship. 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.199 I thought you said to me, I might be fucking 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.040 this up, that we were talking about these kind of 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.200 trackers and you said they have like a forty k 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.960 range or something. The way, yeah, go on. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.159 The way they work, is it they don't quite have 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.320 So that with the Apple air tags and a lot 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.000 of the other tags are doing this now as well. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.879 They basically bunny hop off other phones in the area. 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.120 So you know with the Bluetooth device, have you ever 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:49.879 walked out of the letter box you're listening on your 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.800 headphones and then suddenly you know your phones inside the 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.000 house and your coverage cuts out because you've walked too 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.440 far away from your phone. Well, the air tags work 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.439 in the same way. But what they do is they 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.280 look for other iPhones and then they piggyback off the others. 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:08.040 So if you imagine a map and all the different 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.400 iPhones that people have in Australia, has a really big 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.040 uptake of iPhones and it falls finish, so it leaves 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.960 TIFF's iPhone range and it connects to Harps's iPhone range 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.880 and then Patrick. So effectively, the range of the track 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.520 doesn't matter so much, but if someone has their phone nearby, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.680 it can piggyback off that and that's how they work. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:33.480 Roger that I feel like a ray Ban Smart classes 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.200 have got way too much airtime on their show. But 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.119 just give us a brief summary of what's happening or 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.760 not happening. This is okay, this is an interesting one. 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:46.480 It's a proposal that was kind of leaked via Facebook, 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.320 and what they would thinking of doing was with their 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.160