1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christan Amiot. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, January twenty, twenty twenty six. Randa Abdelfhatar has 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: ramped up her defamation action against Peter Malanowskis, the anti 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Israel author who's dumping from the Adelaide Writers Week lineup 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: caused the event to be canceled. Claimed the South Australian 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: premier made quote false claims against her. In a radio interview, 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Abdelphatar accused Melanowskus of doubling down and said she had 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: quote no choice but to see this through until justice 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: is served. He's not the nation's top ranked tennis player 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: for nothing. Alex Dimenor has cruised through to the second 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: round of the Australian Open, defeating American McKenzie MacDonald in 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: straight sets. He'll face world number ninety Hamad Majedovich on Wednesday. 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Those stories alive right now Australian dot com dot Au 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: Prince Harry returns to England's High Court for what might 15 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: be the final time. This week. He's suing the best 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: selling Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday newspapers for allegedly 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: invading his privacy, but could the end of the Duke 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: of Sussex's long legal battle against the British Press finally 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: opened the door to reconciliation with his royal family. That's 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: today's episode. 21 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: Though it only lasted twenty minutes, the examination of the 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: Prince evidently wearied him exceedingly and made him extremely nervous. 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: He kept changing his position and did not seem able 24 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: to keep his hands still. 25 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: This is how a newspaper described the last time a 26 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: member of the British royal family appeared in the Ornate 27 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: High Court of Justice in London. The year was eighteen 28 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: ninety one, and the Prince of Wales, Queen Victoria's son 29 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: and the future King Edward the Seventh, was the star 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: witness in slander proceedings brought by his friend, Sir William 31 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: Gordon Cumming. The story goes that the pair had attended 32 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: an illegal game of baccarat together, and Gordon Cumming wound 33 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: up being accused of cheating by other players in the game, 34 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: a slight apparently so offensive the Prince's friend sued when 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: word of their extracurricular activities got out. Seats in the 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: court's public gallery were reportedly the hottest ticket in town, 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: and were again more than a century later when in 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, another prince entered the witness box. 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: The Duke of Sussex sued the people behind the Daily 40 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: Mirror and two other British tabloid publications. He alleged their 41 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: journalists used phone hacking and private investigators to gather information 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: about his life over a fifteen year period. 43 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Prince Harry was awarded some standial damages in that bout 44 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: against the Mirror group and settled a separate claim against 45 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: the publisher of The Sun newspaper outside of court. Now 46 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: he's back for more Prince Harry Versus the Tabloid Press 47 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: Round three, who's accused the British press of bullying and 48 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: harassment and has blamed it for the death of his 49 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: mother Diana. The Duke of Sussex, as well as other celebrities, 50 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: claimed their privacy was breached by the publisher of the 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: Daily Mail and associated newspapers. Prince Harry, along with popstar 52 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Elton John and husband David Furnish, actors Liz Hurley and 53 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: Sadie Frost, Baroness Dorene Lawrence, and former politician Simon Hughes 54 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: allege for decades the Daily Mail and The Mail on 55 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Sunday newspapers intercepted their voice mails, tapped landlines, illegally obtained 56 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: medical records and even bugged their homes. It's a claim 57 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: Associated Newspapers, which publishes The Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday, 58 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: has vehemently denied. The Duke of Sussex is expected to 59 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: give evidence in the proceedings this week, a move royal 60 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: watchers say has driven a wedge between Harry and his father, 61 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: King Charles. 62 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: Now this has put the relationship between Prince Harry and 63 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: his father, King Charles in a very awkward situation because 64 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 4: King Charles is the judiciary in the UK, he is 65 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: the Crown, and so in essence, Harry has been suing 66 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: in his father's court. 67 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magne is the Australian's europe correspondent. 68 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: And we can see that some of that frigid atmosphere 69 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: is starting to unthor and that's partly because the litigation 70 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: is now studying to go away. This is the last 71 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 4: case that we know of that Harry is involved in, 72 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: and this is an eight ten week trial and once 73 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: this is over then there will be no legal impediment 74 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: for Charles and Harry to have their relationship. But of 75 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: course there is the very much the difficulties they've had 76 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: over the last few years where Harry has basically broken 77 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: the trust of the royal family and divulged all of 78 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: this information to the press and in his book and 79 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 4: on Oprah Winfrey. So there is an interesting dynamic at 80 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: play here whether the end of these legal battles with 81 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: Harry and the newspaper industry in the UK will mean 82 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 4: a new relationship with his father. 83 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Harry of course lives these days in California with 84 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: his wife Megan, where they run all manner of side hustles, 85 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: making podcasts and cooking shows and whatever else. We know. 86 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: His relationship, as you said, with King Charles and his 87 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: brother Prince William, is strained and has been now for 88 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: some time. Should we expect to see them supporting him 89 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: in court or in spirit? 90 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: This week we will see zero's support from the royal 91 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: family in regards to Harry's action in the court. They 92 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: will not want to be seen anywhere near the court. 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: I think Prince William is up in Scotland on a 94 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 4: few engagements. I think King Charles will be otherwise engaged 95 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: and won't even see his son when he's in the 96 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: UK this week, so they will not be anywhere near it. Now. 97 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: Whether they are providing any support behind the scenes, I 98 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 4: doubt it. The relationship between the members of the royal 99 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: family and Harry are very much strained. They feel that 100 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: he should not be taking this action and they feel 101 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 4: that their personal relationships with him is broken beyond repair. 102 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Harry has had a tense relationship with the press 103 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: for his entire life really following the death of his mother, 104 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Princess Diana. It's clearly caused some really big rifts to 105 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: appear between his immediate family members, as you said, So 106 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: what's he hoping to achieve by bringing this complaint all 107 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: the way to England's High Court do you think? 108 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: Well, he obviously wants some satisfaction in bringing the UK 109 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: media to heal that he feels that their behaviors were 110 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 4: unwarranted and illegal in the past, and that he wants 111 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: some sort of vindication for how he feels. He's a 112 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 4: very angry man as we've seen, and he wants retribution 113 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: and so he's doing this through the courts because he 114 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: feels it by extracting large amounts of money and winning 115 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: the case on principle that it proves his reason for 116 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 4: being angry for these many years. Whether that will be 117 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 4: the case even if he wins the case, whether it 118 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: makes him feel any better, I don't know. That's for 119 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: a psychologist to answer. But it's a very complex issue 120 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 4: for Harry to deal with, isn't it. You know, he's 121 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: estrange from his family. He lives on the other side 122 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: of the world. His children have barely met their grandparents. 123 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: He's very much isolated in California, even though he tells 124 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: everybody what a great life he's having. But if we 125 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: look at what has he actually done in the last 126 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: few years. We see him as a prop in his 127 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: wife's TV show, We see him clearly being a devoted father, 128 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: but what else has he been doing it with his life? 129 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: We see part of his activities within Victors Games being 130 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 4: very much a pr exercise, and it's rumored that he's 131 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 4: going to appear in the UK in the next few months, 132 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 4: a year out from next year's in Victors Games, which 133 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 4: will be held in England. Now this is being seen 134 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: within palace circles as perhaps a bit of a positioning 135 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: by Harry and Meghan to create more proximity to the 136 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 4: royal family, because that is what their brand survives on 137 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: in the US, that they need to have this association 138 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: with the royal family, and so by coming over to 139 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 4: England and having a quasi kind of royal to us, 140 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: wanning about England and promoting the Invictus Games could help 141 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: that branding and reinforce the fact that he is a prince, 142 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 4: he is six in line to the throne, and that 143 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 4: perhaps is not as distant from the royal family as 144 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: What is really the. 145 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: Case coming up? What could another court loss mean for 146 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: the British press? This case could also have profound ramifications 147 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: for the UK's media, which reports on the royals and 148 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: celebrities in very spirited way and has done for a 149 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: very long time. Is there a fear amongst British publishers. 150 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: Do you think that this could permanently change the media 151 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: landscape if Harry and his co complainants are successful in 152 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the High Court? 153 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: No, that is a short answer. The media has changed 154 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: in the last decade anyway, and the relationship with the 155 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: royal family and the press is already very regulated and 156 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 4: already has very interesting arrangements. I can give you some 157 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: examples about photos of the royal children. You will not 158 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: see any photos in UK media of any of the 159 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: royal children, and that's because of a deal that's been 160 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 4: done with the press in return for an occasional photo 161 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: that's been set up and stage managed being released to 162 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: the public to the media on certain big occasions. So 163 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: you've already got deals behind the scenes that are there 164 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: to help protect members of the royal family but also 165 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: provide some access for the public to understand the work 166 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: that they do. And so this has been going on 167 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 4: for a very long time. So I don't think that 168 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: this court case would really change any of those deals. 169 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 4: That won't change any of what's been going on, because 170 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: if we look at this actual case, we're talking about 171 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: instances that happened fifteen years ago, twenty years ago. So 172 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: the world has moved on a lot, especially in regards 173 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: to social media, that the newspapers really don't have the 174 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 4: big sway and influence that perhaps they may have done 175 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 4: in the past. 176 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magnet is The Australian's europe correspondent. You can read 177 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: all about Prince Harry's latest appearance in the High Court 178 00:11:53,480 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com, dot au