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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Heart of It. I'm Ali Daddo.

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Speaker 1: We are recording the podcast on gadigal Land and here is.

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Speaker 2: My husband here. I am Cam Daddo, Cam Daddo. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Yep, we've just had a great chat with Jack and

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Speaker 3: Amanda Delosa.

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Speaker 1: Yes, unexpected chat. Actually, well just because I didn't know

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Speaker 1: anything about Jack and Amanda before they came in. I

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Speaker 1: mean I read a little bit about who we were

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Speaker 1: talking to, and of course we did our version of

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Speaker 1: our research with the questions and everything. But what's such

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Speaker 1: an interesting couple you? Of course listener might not know

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Speaker 1: who they are, but what they've got to share about

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Speaker 1: relationships and the work they did is really fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Jack is as one of Australia's most successful entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 3: Amanda is a former political advisor and an award winning

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Speaker 3: business woman termed creator, and she's got her own podcast

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Speaker 3: nxts z N So I'm thinking that's next season.

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Speaker 1: Oh you work that out?

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Speaker 5: Well, I didn't get that.

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Speaker 6: I think that's what it is, right, I actually we

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Speaker 6: didn't even ask her about that, I know, but it's

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Speaker 7: Now that we're down south of the equator.

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Speaker 1: They've done a huge amount of traveling and they've actually

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Speaker 1: started a family travel blog called the Delosa Diaries because

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Speaker 1: they've got a beautiful little daughter who's a little over.

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Speaker 3: To What is interesting I think about these two is

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Speaker 3: their journey and what they've done in order to come

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Speaker 3: together to get through the challenges that they've had, which

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Speaker 3: are very similar to the challenges that a lot of

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Speaker 3: us have. Sure, and it's just been quite intense for them.

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Speaker 3: But their ideology they are ways of coping, or actually

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Speaker 3: not so much coping, but actually getting.

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Speaker 7: To the source of what is.

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Speaker 3: Giving them their challenges is really enlightening, encouraging.

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Speaker 1: They really dive right back into their childhood and how

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Speaker 1: that's carried them through into past relationships and how they've

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Speaker 1: really worked to heal that and how it's turned out

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Speaker 1: as of today, and it's pretty done good, I'd say

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Speaker 1: it is to have a listen to Jack and Amanda Delosa.

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Speaker 7: Welcome to the heart of it. Great to have you both.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having us.

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Speaker 3: First of all, look, let's I mean, there's so much

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Speaker 3: to talk about with you too, but let's hear your

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Speaker 3: love story.

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Speaker 7: When how what give us a little context to that.

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Speaker 5: Did you want to start?

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Speaker 8: You go, okay, So I should start with me actually,

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Speaker 8: because that's kind of how it did start. I was

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Speaker 8: asked to host the Australian Young Entrepreneur Awards in Sydney

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Speaker 8: and it was the first time I'd ever done a

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Speaker 8: big hosting gig, and I was asked at the time, like,

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Speaker 8: who would you like to be your co host?

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Speaker 5: And I suggested Jack.

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Speaker 7: How did you know each other? How did you know

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Speaker 7: of Jack? Then?

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Speaker 8: Well, we had actually linked up about a week or

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Speaker 8: two prior on Instagram live interview talking about awards and

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Speaker 8: why young business people should enter them and that sort

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Speaker 8: of thing. So that was the first time we actually spoke,

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Speaker 8: and it was during COVID as well, so Jack was

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Speaker 8: in lockdown in Melbourne at the time. But I had

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Speaker 8: been following Jack as a aspiring entrepreneur from probably twenty

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Speaker 8: fourteen before I started my business in twenty seventeen, so like,

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Speaker 8: I knew of him and he was someone who had

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Speaker 8: a really big impact on my entrepreneurial journey, but I

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Speaker 8: hadn't met him yet. I thought it would be cool

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Speaker 8: other business founders and young entrepreneurs that I was working.

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Speaker 5: With at the time.

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Speaker 7: Amazing.

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Speaker 8: So the first time we met was literally on stage

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Speaker 8: hosting you did bring.

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Speaker 7: Him into his life.

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Speaker 4: I was in the green room and read through and

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Speaker 4: then on stage, and that's how we got to know.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel a little bit of sparks immediately for

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Speaker 4: Yes, And the four hundred people in the room also

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Speaker 4: commented that.

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Speaker 8: They felt chemistry feedback we got like when we announced

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Speaker 8: that we were together, like we knew it, like we

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Speaker 8: felt it all that night.

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Speaker 7: Great. What were your first impressions of each other?

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Speaker 2: That's a very good question, you go.

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Speaker 5: The first thing I noticed about Jack was his laugh.

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Speaker 8: He has like this interstinguishable laugh that whenever you hear it,

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Speaker 8: like you can find him in a very very crowded room,

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Speaker 8: and it makes people. It makes people so happy, like

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Speaker 5: It's kind of hypnotizing in a way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's kind of what I was going to say

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Speaker 4: about Panda is that.

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Speaker 2: Amanda lights up a room.

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Speaker 4: And I know that's so cliche to say, but I've

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Speaker 4: never seen it be so literally true for a human

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Speaker 4: got a big personality. She glows and she lights up

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Speaker 1: And this was four years ago you met. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: can you just like how I'm always so fascinated by

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Speaker 1: you win our Best entre Young Entrepreneur one of a few.

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Speaker 4: Of those types of awards, particularly under thirty type awards.

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Speaker 4: I'm now thirty eight, so and I feel about fifty eight.

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Speaker 7: Fifty eight it goes the other way.

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Speaker 2: Let's go with that.

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Speaker 1: The questions for both of you, how do you be

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Speaker 1: Like you're coming out of high school and you go,

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of the time entrepreneurs don't use

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Speaker 4: the term entrepreneurs and don't identify as entrepreneurs. Right for me,

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Speaker 4: it's simple, It's somebody that starts and builds businesses. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And so you know, for the vast majority of entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 4: you will have a period of three to five years

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Speaker 4: of trial and error where there's false starts and failures

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Speaker 7: And so the.

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Speaker 4: Apprenticeship period, unlike university, your take, for example, is self

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Speaker 2: And so that's how I see an entrepreneur. It's somebody

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Speaker 4: Learned the hard way how to build and grow businesses

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Speaker 4: and copped a few punches.

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Speaker 2: Along the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Okay, I'm smiling at my wife right now

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Speaker 3: because our conversation is coming in here. They've just can

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Speaker 3: I say, they've just started their crowdfunding on their starting business,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've messed up. And it's like, no,

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Speaker 3: you are where you are and you know what you know,

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Speaker 3: and so what's your advice.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we're getting off the topic already.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like I messed up.

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Speaker 4: I think as an entrepreneur, we spend our lives outside

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Speaker 2: Whole you know, I think I stuffed up. That's kind of.

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Speaker 4: Where we live, right because all we're doing at any

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Speaker 4: vast majority of the time you will feel like.

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Speaker 2: God, I stuffed that up. God I'm stuffing this up.

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Speaker 4: And so it's about kind of being comfortable in that

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Speaker 4: Because we tend to beat ourselves up a lot, particularly business,

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Speaker 2: There's so much identity wrapped up in it. And so

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Speaker 4: If we can feel like we're winning five percent of

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, very motivational.

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Speaker 7: No, this is perfect timing.

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Speaker 3: And I said, the last thing I think I said

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Speaker 4: And I think as human beings were really good at

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, we try and sort of pause and

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Speaker 1: I've never felt more like, you know, people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, it's pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is that feeling of like we need to

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Speaker 3: get comfortable with our anxiety, yes about stuff just going okay, well,

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Speaker 3: this is a place of where we're at. Let's just

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Speaker 1: And for you, Amanda wid business wise, you've got your

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Speaker 1: podcast and have you got other businesses as well? So

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've also doubled quite a bit since about twenty ten.

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Speaker 8: So my first business was doing Elush Extensions. When they

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Speaker 2: I kind of see.

446
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Speaker 4: It was almost like the grandmother figure of inner child work.

447
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Speaker 4: And interestingly, p It wasn't a registered doctor, which most

448
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 4: you know, particularly back then, most psychologists and psychiatrists and

449
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 4: people in that field were. She wasn't She just she

450
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Speaker 4: was in that world, learned a lot through trial and

451
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Speaker 4: error and wrote some incredible book. She started this kind

452
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 4: of institution over in Arizona called The Meadows, And so

453
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 4: what The Meadows is set up to do is really

454
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Speaker 4: help people with substance addiction, really like alcohol and drugs

455
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Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. They've started a kind

456
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Speaker 4: of offshoot literally next door called the Rio Center for

457
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Speaker 4: people that aren't necessarily fighting those battles but want to

458
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Speaker 4: do similar work. And so what I found through doing,

459
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of work and a lot of

460
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Speaker 4: therapy in child work and stuff over the years is

461
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Speaker 4: the process and the work and the methodologies that are

462
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Speaker 4: built around helping people with substance addiction are probably the

463
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Speaker 4: purest and most powerful forms of therapy and transformation. And

464
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Speaker 4: so while I didn't and don't have any kind of

465
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Speaker 4: addiction issues, it was following a similar process and playbook

466
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Speaker 4: as that, which only makes Vegas afterwards more ironic. And

467
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Speaker 4: so yeah, it's it's it was two weeks of deep

468
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Speaker 4: in a child like grueling in a child work and

469
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Speaker 4: therapy that came from the world of treating substance abuse.

470
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Speaker 2: Interesting.

471
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Speaker 3: As you know, we we lived in the States for

472
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Speaker 3: a long time. It's a culture that is way more open,

473
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Speaker 3: I think, and trusting right there wrongly.

474
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Speaker 7: Of these sort of therapies. Then Australia, she literally can't

475
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Speaker 7: do that here.

476
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Speaker 5: You know, I've looked into it for myself.

477
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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, is there is

478
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Speaker 3: this in a child work available that you guys know

479
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Speaker 3: in Australia.

480
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Speaker 4: What what I would recommend absolutely, and I would read

481
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Speaker 4: p A. Malady's books is just p I A Malady

482
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Speaker 4: is malady. She's got a bunch of books. I would start.

483
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Speaker 4: Her kind of cornerstone book is Facing Codependence. Don't love

484
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Speaker 4: the title, but her kind of hypothesis, if you like,

485
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Speaker 4: is that we're all codependent until we do the work,

486
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: and then we're not. And so i'd start there. There

487
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 4: are some brilliant therapists. And then there's a clinic in

488
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Speaker 4: Sydney called South Pacific and they do a program called Changes,

489
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Speaker 4: which is PA's work. So it's the same stuff you

490
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Speaker 4: do in Arizona, but it's only centered around substance addiction.

491
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Speaker 4: And so if you if you like Panda and I

492
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Speaker 4: and you're fortunate enough to not be battling with that

493
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Speaker 4: sort of stuff, it's not all that appropriate and.

494
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Speaker 5: So impatient for six weeks as well, it doesn't work.

495
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Speaker 5: If you're a mom, sure, yeah.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so read the books, speak to good therapists, and

497
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Speaker 4: once you've kind of got a grip on it, if

498
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Speaker 4: you're brave enough flight at Arizona.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you are doing things somewhat unconventionally in the in

500
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Speaker 1: the way that you've you know, you've met and baby

501
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Speaker 1: in as you said, you've done it all backwards. You've

502
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Speaker 1: also done an incredible amount of travel with your daughter,

503
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Speaker 1: and you say it's the best thing to travel with kids.

504
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Speaker 1: I actually feel the same way. And I know a

505
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Speaker 1: lot of people say, oh my god, I would never, never.

506
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Speaker 3: Never.

507
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Speaker 1: We always took our kids everywhere, didn't we? And I

508
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Speaker 1: loved it. I mean, of course you don't get like

509
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Speaker 1: the idea of the break because you're still parenting wherever

510
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Speaker 1: you go.

511
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Speaker 5: But I we just loved it.

512
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Speaker 3: It's different, isn't Because you're not hitting the bars and

513
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Speaker 3: the clubs and things like that.

514
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Speaker 7: In the places you're going to. You're actually out in

515
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Speaker 7: nature and doing goofy stuff. And sometimes you leave.

516
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Speaker 3: The kids in the car for a few hours while

517
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Speaker 3: you go and get hammered like Ali was always wanted, that.

518
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Speaker 5: Was always.

519
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Speaker 9: Right.

520
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Speaker 7: That's so terrible.

521
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Speaker 3: Makes put the Walkman on and the PlayStation and the

522
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Speaker 3: game boy.

523
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Speaker 7: Make sure there's a game boy.

524
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Speaker 2: The producers writing a disclaimer on his right now it's.

525
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Speaker 7: Always out was the responsible one. How old?

526
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Speaker 5: How is your daughter? Surry's she's two years and four months. Yep,

527
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Speaker 5: and she's traveled how far already?

528
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Speaker 8: So gosh, we'd be like over one hundred and fifty

529
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Speaker 8: flights since she was born, between one hundred and fifty

530
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Speaker 8: between domestic and international. We did eight countries in the

531
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Speaker 8: first in all of last year, and then we've revisited

532
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Speaker 8: some of them just recently. We've just actually came back

533
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Speaker 8: from the States. We did some time in the States,

534
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Speaker 8: the Bahamas and in Mexico as well. So yeah, she's, yeah,

535
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Speaker 8: she loves it, though she's seriously, she's like she's the

536
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Speaker 8: chief morale officer of our trip. We did thirty four hours,

537
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Speaker 8: four legs to the Bahamas last year. The whole time,

538
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Speaker 8: just gunned to the whole way across, just kept going,

539
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Speaker 8: four flights, and the whole time she's, you know, at

540
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Speaker 8: every airport, like dancing, smiling, just having like the best time.

541
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Speaker 8: And every time we've traveled and come back, she's evolved

542
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Speaker 8: and she's just grown into this, like more confident. There's

543
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Speaker 8: like more words coming out. There's yeah, and different languages too, even,

544
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 8: you know, and she's talking now, so she's saying Bahama, mama,

545
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Speaker 8: and she's asking us every day can we go to

546
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Speaker 8: hamas I wants to go back to the which I

547
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Speaker 8: mean the wouldn't be too many two year olds actually

548
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 8: asking for that request.

549
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe part that she's spoiled it.

550
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Speaker 1: Has this been for work or just for fun or both?

551
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

552
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Speaker 5: Okay, life by design?

553
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 7: Why is it?

554
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Speaker 1: Why have you done that much traveling? What has work

555
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: been that's traveled you that much?

556
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Speaker 4: So at a personal level, we love traveling together. Like

557
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Speaker 4: if I whenever I reflect on the last few months

558
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: or last year or whatever the case may be, my

559
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: happiest moments always when we're traveling as a family.

560
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Speaker 2: So we just love it.

561
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Speaker 4: Secondly, we are looking to expand kind of our core

562
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 4: business over into the States right now, and so we

563
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 4: may actually move over there soon, which would be you know,

564
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: it feels kind of expansive, both on a personal level

565
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: but also at a business level. And so yeah, I

566
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: suppose it really just ticks our boxes from a values perspective,

567
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: a personal perspective and from a business perspective, Yeah, it

568
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: was really conscious decision for us with Ariela. We know

569
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: what we're like, and so we were like, even prior

570
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Speaker 4: to her arriving, we were like, you know, from as

571
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: early as possible, so you can put them on a

572
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: plane after six weeks. We want to kind of get

573
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: her acclimatized and bring her up in the kind of

574
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Speaker 4: lifestyle she'll be living, you know, probably for the first

575
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: twenty or thirty years of her life. And so it

576
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: was a conscious thing for us to get her used

577
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: to planes and travel and all of that kind of stuff.

578
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 4: And as Panda said, we can now travel, you know,

579
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Speaker 4: anywhere in the world for you know, we might have

580
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: a thirty hour transit type thing and ari will sleep

581
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 4: perfectly and by the time we get to the other side,

582
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Speaker 4: she'll be the chief morale officer and she's really.

583
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Speaker 7: Good with it.

584
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Speaker 3: What's what's been the one of like top three favorite

585
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Speaker 3: places you've been to.

586
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Speaker 8: I'll start with my top three. I love Carbo, Mexico.

587
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 8: We actually went to the new Nobu hotel that opened

588
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 8: up there and I just that was just amazing. It

589
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 8: was so beautiful. Bahamas is one of our favorites as well.

590
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 8: Jack and I, independent of being together, spend a bit

591
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 8: of time there too over the years, so that's a

592
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 8: very beautiful part.

593
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 5: Of the world.

594
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Speaker 8: The third, oh, it's like my two top favorites, Oh, Vegas.

595
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: Of course.

596
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Speaker 8: She was interesting because we took Ari to Vegas, so

597
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 8: she loved it. These two were dancing through everywhere because

598
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 8: music's everywhere.

599
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 5: It's in the streets, is in the.

600
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Speaker 8: Lifts, in the hotel room, like she's just propping away

601
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 8: everywhere everywhere. But a place that used to have memories

602
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 8: of just like fond memories of the two of us,

603
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 8: and now kind of coming together on our first date

604
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 8: and that kind of thing now amplified with the memories

605
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Speaker 8: and of us being there as a family of three

606
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 8: and having a completely different experience through the lens of

607
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 8: a two year old was just the best.

608
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Speaker 7: Are you are you interested in? I mean these are

609
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Speaker 7: quite luxurious things.

610
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Speaker 3: Any aspirations to like jump in the caravan and head

611
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: out back, or go into Cambodia or Vietnam and just

612
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: sort of do that that more of a street kind

613
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: of a gritty, jungly, you know, out back experience.

614
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 4: We both did a lot of that growing up and

615
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: still do a lot of that with our families here

616
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: in Australia. And so a bit of a tradition in

617
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: my family is that once a year we'd all kind

618
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: of go away and the fathers would take all of

619
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: the boys away. I've got I had two brothers and

620
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: two cousins who are like brothers and so kind of

621
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: five boys and two dads, so seven seven men in total,

622
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: and so my dad and my uncle would take us

623
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Speaker 4: all away once a year to give the mum's a break.

624
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Speaker 2: And so we still do that with my.

625
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: Cousins and our fathers to give you know, the mums

626
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: a break. And that's similar to what you're talking about now.

627
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: You should tell them how Ari and I looked when

628
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: we got home from the last four day weekend with

629
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Speaker 4: the boys.

630
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Speaker 8: Oh my god, the first time he'd had her solo

631
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Speaker 8: for four days in a row. And I picked them

632
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 8: up from the airport and they're walking out the gate.

633
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 8: Hardly recognized them. She had trackies on, her hair was

634
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 8: a mess, she had.

635
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 5: Dirt all over her knees. Like the two of them

636
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 5: looked like they were coming back from war.

637
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 7: Like it was.

638
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 5: It was like a saving Private.

639
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 8: Ryane moment they were so dishraveled and so filthy.

640
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my goodness, like, come here a.

641
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Speaker 4: Little one, and so yeah, we do a bit of that,

642
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: I think, which is which is great.

643
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Speaker 8: I used to fill up a backpack and go scale

644
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Speaker 8: a mountain and pop up a tent and sleep on

645
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 8: the shommit and then scale back down the next day too.

646
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 8: Back when I lived in Queensland, Mount Binney was one

647
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Speaker 8: of the mountains I used to do stuff like that.

648
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 8: So yeah, I've roughed it one hundred percent and I

649
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 8: love that. I love being able to experience everything from

650
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 8: that right through to the luxury thing. It's yeah, it's

651
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 8: all about just variety being the spice of life. Really,

652
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Speaker 8: can you.

653
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Speaker 1: Guys recall it, like a specific moment or experience in

654
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: your relationship that that really significantly strengthened your bond. Is

655
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: there a moment where you go that was that was amazing?

656
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: This is when we you know.

657
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: A moment or a year.

658
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think surviving last year would be something that's

659
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 8: really strengthened our bond.

660
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.

661
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: More trauma bonding or is it.

662
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 5: We went through a lot of we had to overcome

663
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 5: a lot of it.

664
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Speaker 8: We had to do a lot of extra work and

665
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 8: we had to dog our heels in and I think

666
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Speaker 8: it was you know, you see a lot online about

667
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 8: it's like the illustration of the couple and they've got

668
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 8: the battery meters and the like I'm at eighty or

669
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 8: a twenty, and you know, like how you know people

670
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 8: can support each other in relationships by being kind of

671
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 8: open about that, But what happens when you're both like

672
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 8: on negative five?

673
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: You know, like me, the one can.

674
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 8: Really come in and like support the other person. And

675
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 8: I remember at the time, I was seeing a therapist

676
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 8: and she's like, I didn't stay with her, but oh,

677
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 8: you just need to go home and communicate all he

678
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 8: needs to Jack and tell him what you need for

679
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 8: him right now to help you. But then in translating that,

680
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 8: it's like, well, you're just assuming that that person's got

681
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 8: the energy and and that they're at a space where

682
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 8: they've actually got capacity to give you everything you need,

683
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 8: because maybe they're struggling too. But for that year, both

684
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 8: of us were going through our own stuff.

685
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: It was when we had ari.

686
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 8: I was going through postnatal anxiety and depression, complete identity loss,

687
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 8: had just relocated from the like there was there was

688
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 8: a perfect storm with so many things hitting at once

689
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 8: for me and then Jack going back into the business

690
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 8: is a very active CEO, and so yeah, we were

691
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 8: still new in the relationship too. So we're going through

692
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 8: like just coming off the back of honeymoon when our parents,

693
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 8: there was a lot of teething issues going on, a

694
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 8: lot of stuff that we had to kind of you know,

695
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 8: sort out at a time when we were both pretty depleted,

696
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 8: and then on top of that, we did all the travel,

697
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 8: like we're just saying yes to everything. It was like

698
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 8: a lesson in this year of like we have to say,

699
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 8: notice some stuff and we need to really pace it out.

700
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 8: And I mean even on the trip, I was just

701
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 8: mentioning like we we stayed here and sort of tufed

702
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 8: it out for six months and worked really really hard

703
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 8: to be able to go and enjoy that last month

704
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 8: that we have been away. It's the first time we

705
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 8: have actually had a proper break all year. But yeah,

706
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 8: I mean, like all of that stuff, Like I feel

707
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 8: what we went through this extreme compressed testing period, which

708
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 8: is great because we love efficiency, but.

709
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: Like an accelerated learning period.

710
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, because like motherhood I think is the most the

711
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 8: ultimate personal development thing a woman can ever go through, right, Like,

712
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 8: there's nothing like it. I thought entrepreneurship was before that,

713
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 8: because I mean, even entrepreneurship in itself is a bit

714
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 8: of a trauma response the type of person who gets

715
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 8: into it. So you've got entrepreneurship, You've got motherhood. It's

716
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 8: just yeah, it's it's intense, but you level up so

717
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 8: much quicker as a result of going through that. And

718
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 8: I think for us, the proof was in that in

719
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 8: the relationship strengthening so much off the other side of

720
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 8: that too.

721
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, So is there is there a takeaway from twenty

722
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: twenty four that.

723
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 7: You've taken into this year?

724
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: What do you from all you've just just described, what's

725
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: your takeaway that you brought into twenty twenty five.

726
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: There's a few things there for me, and I might

727
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: just kind of a at a what Amanda was just saying,

728
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: because I know you guys had it rough throughout the GFC,

729
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: and I've watched you talk about that cam and you

730
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: know the financial distress that it placed on the family,

731
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: and you know as a father and a mother, and

732
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: one of the things you said is, you know, in

733
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: approaching your career thereafter and the financial situation. One of

734
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: the things you said was whatever it takes, whatever it takes.

735
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: What was happening with me during that period was I've

736
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 4: kind of been semi retired for a few years, and

737
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: the group of businesses that I ran and kind of

738
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 4: plateaued and then were starting to decline. And so at

739
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: this point when I came back in, it was essentially

740
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: a turnaround job, which is which is never fun. You know,

741
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: we talk about the energy that it takes to be

742
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: in business. You know, when you're turning around a relatively

743
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: big engine, it takes more energy than just running a

744
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: business normally. And then the stress and the anxiety and

745
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: the decisions, and you know, it's not a nice environment.

746
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: To be in. But it was.

747
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 4: From a farther's perspective, it's almost like you, I had

748
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: to go back in and turn it around before it

749
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: got too bad, because if I didn't, the financial implications

750
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: if I let it continue for a year or two,

751
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: might have been too great. And so it was one

752
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 4: of those things where Panda was going through postpartum depression

753
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 4: and anxiety. I was sort of turning this group of

754
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: businesses around, which is a lot of energy and not

755
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: a lot of fun.

756
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: And so we'll both really deplete it.

757
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 4: To come back to your question, made is I honestly

758
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: believe that you know, if you view relationships as a

759
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: bunch of agreements, I think the meta agreement is I'm

760
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 4: not leaving. That's the meta agreement that every other agreement

761
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: is hanging off and attached to. And so you know,

762
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: there's a deep love between Pandra and I and we

763
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 4: have had previous relationships, and so we know what an

764
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: unhealthy relationship looks and feels like. And this wasn't that.

765
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: It was just two depleted human beings doing their best

766
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 4: as a team.

767
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 7: And so with the caveat I am not leaving.

768
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: That's the main thing.

769
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: And so to answer your question, the takeaway that I

770
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: took from twenty twenty four is that's and again I

771
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: know you guys have been through periods where that's had

772
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: to be you know, a huge thing that you guys

773
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: have hung your hat on as well.

774
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving.

775
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: And so I think when both people are approaching a

776
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 4: relationship from that perspective, firstly, it makes it one another

777
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: feel safer because it's like we're in this together, right.

778
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Neither of us are leaving.

779
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: And secondly, it means that you have no choice but

780
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: to work through whatever needs to be worked through.

781
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 8: For you.

782
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Amanda, tell me more about the postpart and was that

783
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: completely unexpected for you?

784
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 8: Yeahah, And that's why I struggled with it so much,

785
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 8: because I'd never been someone who ever felt like they

786
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 8: had suffered a day of depression or like mental health

787
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 8: issues or struggles in her life. But again, that was

788
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 8: because I'd been programmed through my childhood to be so

789
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 8: optimistic and trying hard to win people over and achieving

790
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 8: and like doing.

791
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 5: All these things.

792
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 8: I was always so busy. I think I was keeping

793
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 8: myself so busy that I never really checked in with

794
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 8: where I was at. So that's fine, And I did that,

795
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 8: as I mentioned, right up to thirty five and then

796
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 8: started to think about it and sort of look into it.

797
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 8: But nothing prepared me for that initiation into motherhood and

798
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 8: the stillness and the being stuck in my own head

799
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 8: and the hormones and like it was just a perfect storm.

800
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 8: I just didn't recognize myself, and I was so upset

801
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 8: for so long that it compounded to the point where

802
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 8: I was like, I think I'm broken and I don't think

803
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 8: I'm ever going to go back to how I used

804
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 8: to be, And then that made me worry because I'm like,

805
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 8: who I used to be was so important because that person,

806
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 8: people love, that person, people to be around that person

807
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 8: was successful. Right this person, I felt like, no one's

808
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 8: gonna want, no one's gonna love, and that brought on

809
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 8: all of my abandonment stuff right from my childhood. So

810
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 8: I was just operating from a place of fear all

811
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 8: the time, Like I was so scared that I was

812
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 8: going to lose everyone and everything and Jack, and I

813
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 8: was paranoid and fearsome and anxious and had no appetite

814
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 8: and couldn't eat. Yeah, it was a scary time, particularly

815
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 8: like close friends and family watching they're like, what's going

816
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 8: on with you? But then also you're like trying to

817
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 8: hide from everyone too because you don't want anyone to

818
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 8: ask what's going on because they're gonna notice, and you

819
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 8: don't want to talk about it.

820
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 5: So it was just hard. I was like I didn't

821
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: know what to fix first.

822
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 8: I think at first I was, Yeah, I think I

823
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 8: was really focused on trying to now the post part

824
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 8: of anxiety and depression, but the root of it underneath

825
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 8: was always this inner child work. Yeah, and I didn't

826
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 8: really know exactly where to go at first, but that's

827
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 8: been the game change. We're actually getting into that, and

828
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 8: that was really hard, you know, like the first exercise

829
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 8: was literally going out and writing down all of your

830
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 8: trauma from your childhood. That was seven pages long for me. Yeah,

831
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 8: and you know, revisiting and having to bring all of

832
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 8: that up initially to be able to then go, look

833
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 8: at how you can start rewriting the script, writing letters

834
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 8: to yourself as a little kid, like there's all this

835
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 8: stuff like that was really hard. I only actually completed

836
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 8: some of that more recently before we just went away.

837
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 8: But I feel like for me that was like the

838
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 8: rock bottom. It was like I've got to finally face

839
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 8: all of this stuff. I've got to rewrite this script

840
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 8: once and for all because I felt myself slipping health wise,

841
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 8: and my mother was always sick when I grew up

842
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 8: to the point where she just wasn't there for us,

843
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 8: and I don't want to be that mother to my daughter.

844
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 8: So my biggest fear is also like getting an autoimmune disease,

845
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 8: because this is a thing like I've read so much about,

846
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 8: you know, women who are holding in all of this

847
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 8: like depression and anxiety and not speaking their truth and

848
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 8: not using their voice and not processing and healing from stuff,

849
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 8: end up sick and you know, dying early. And I'm like, gosh,

850
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 8: I want to be here forever for Ari and for Jack.

851
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 8: So yeah, I just had to do something about it.

852
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 8: But it's funny, Yeah, it kind of took to hit

853
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 8: rock bottom to do it. Like I probably knew I

854
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 8: should have started earlier, but there was just so many

855
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 8: other things competing for my energy and attention that I

856
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 8: kind of flew from one thing to the other, which

857
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 8: is also my personality trait.

858
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: I just want to put a button on this, on

859
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: this inner child work because I, as you said that,

860
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: going by having to write that all the trauma, and

861
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: I can hear Naysaya as going, why the hell do

862
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: you want to go dig up shit that happened all

863
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: those years ago? But just speak to the benefits of

864
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: that to that person that's going, oh God, why would

865
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: you do all that?

866
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 9: Oh my god?

867
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 7: Move on, you know, speak to that.

868
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 8: The truth of the matter is whether you're going back

869
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: to face it consciously or not subconsciously, it's there in

870
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 8: your body and in your mind and in your spirit

871
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 8: every single day that you sleep that you're awake. So

872
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 8: whilst you might think, oh, I'm not going to go

873
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 8: there consciously and face it, you're going to live a

874
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 8: whole lifetime with it basically running you on autopilot. Like

875
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 8: all of your decisions, everything that happens to you, how

876
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 8: you react emotionally to things. It's all stalled in your body.

877
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing is, you know, not wanting

878
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 8: to get sick, but also wanting to be free of

879
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 8: this stuff. So it's like, if you can go on

880
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 8: approach it once and get a nail on the head

881
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 8: of it and rewrite that and then go on to

882
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 8: live a joyous life where you're not carrying all of

883
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 8: that anxiety within your bones, isn't that worth it?

884
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 7: Beautiful sick?

885
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the key question for me, the one, the

886
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: one that you asked, because I had spent my life

887
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: since I was a child kind of immerging myself and

888
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 4: learning kind of what I would label like high performance

889
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: psychology if you like. And a lot of that is

890
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: the past doesn't matter. All that matters is the present

891
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 4: and what you're creating in the future. Don't worry about

892
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: the past, and so I operated from why the hell

893
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: would you bother? And so it was really interesting for

894
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: me in that, even doing, you know, decades of mindset

895
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: work and high performance habits and all of this kind

896
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: of stuff, the most powerful and transformative work I've ever

897
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 4: done still is the inner child work. And how I

898
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: would kind of explain why is from zero to seven

899
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: is what in psychology one would call the imprint period.

900
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 4: And so essentially we haven't developed the conscious faculties in

901
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: our mind to filter what we absorb at a subconscious level,

902
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 4: and so everything's going in to the programming of your

903
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: operating system without any filter, and so whatever happens from

904
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: zero to seven is within your operating system. And then

905
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 4: that's also very true from seven to eighteen, just with

906
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 4: a slightly less a degree. And so what was really

907
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: interesting for me going through a lot of this work

908
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: is it was fascinating to me that all of the

909
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 4: patterns in my life that were destructive and not helpful,

910
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: and that I felt powerless around changing. An informed therapist

911
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: could point back to the exact thing that had happened

912
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: prior to eighteen or twenty one, the interpretation that I

913
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: had taken from it that was pulling the strings on

914
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 4: my behavior and my thought processes at that point, which

915
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: I would have been thirty three thirty four, And so

916
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: that was fascinating to me in that even as a

917
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: thirty three thirty four year or it's still very young,

918
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: but you know, it's three decades in and what was

919
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 4: pulling the strings of my behavior was childhood. And so

920
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: I think in a child work is really relevant to

921
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 4: anybody that feels like they are repeating patterns in their life,

922
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: their relationships around money, around health, whatever it might be.

923
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's everybody.

924
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 4: That they feel powerless around because you're trying to change

925
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: it with your conscious mind. You're trying to like grit

926
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: your way, you will power your way through change.

927
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 7: Defend it, justify it.

928
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 4: And even trying to change it with you know, vision

929
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: boards or you know whatever the surface level stuff might

930
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: be where it's coming from a deeper place. And that

931
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that it's unchangeable. It just means that you

932
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 4: need to go back and revisit it.

933
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 7: So it takes courage, a lot of wills.

934
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, curiosity, gentle curiosity, How do you envision your future together? Like,

935
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: what are some of your goals? And dreams that you've

936
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: got ahead for yourself and including your daughter of course

937
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: as well.

938
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 8: Well. I think from like a family forefront, love to

939
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 8: have another little one, yeah, that would I think round

940
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 8: us off as a family of four. Obviously, see a

941
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 8: lot of travel continuing in the future as well. We

942
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 8: aren't really conventional when it comes to education, and we'd

943
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 8: like to world school our children too, so there's going

944
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 8: to be a lot of effort that goes into that

945
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 8: and setting that up. Once Ari hits sort of that

946
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 8: age is only a couple of years ago, so we've

947
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 8: got that to look forward.

948
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 5: To as well.

949
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 8: We like the idea of moving around a bit too

950
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 8: with where we're going to be based. So I think

951
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 8: someone we look up to sort of said they move

952
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 8: every five to seven years, so that they're purposely having

953
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 8: to sort of re establish and make new friends and

954
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 8: community and being exposed to different you know, stimilars and

955
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 8: that sort of thing. So I think, I don't know,

956
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 8: like we're not really sitting down and going like what's

957
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 8: the five, ten, twenty fifteen year plan. Like we're feelers,

958
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 8: like like we like feeling into things, and we're very

959
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 8: open to sort of like seeing what opportunities come our way,

960
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 8: you know, particularly with the US stuff. You know, recently,

961
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 8: we've been talking about wanting to, you know, move over that.

962
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 8: I mean, we've been doing this for on and off

963
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 8: the last couple of years, and indepenitive even being together,

964
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 8: We've always talked about wanting to live in the US.

965
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 8: But a lot of stuff has been happening over there

966
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 8: with getting some press sort of coverage over there, and

967
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 8: Jack and I have been invited to speak at an

968
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 8: event there in next February. So it's like the universe

969
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 8: like gently, it's okay over here, guys, Like we're getting

970
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 8: ready for you.

971
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 5: Here's like a couple of opportunities. So yeah, I mean,

972
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 5: that's not from.

973
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: Me talk about what you.

974
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go just to go back a

975
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: little bit, sorry because I just I'm to you, Amanda,

976
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: how do you feel about the idea of having a

977
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: second child having gone through the postpartum How long did

978
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: it take before you started well, I'm not even going

979
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: to say start, feeling normal is the wrong word, but

980
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: because you've evolved into something else, but I guess back

981
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: on your body, back feeling grounded again. How long did

982
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: that process take? And then second baby, How are you

983
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: feeling about that?

984
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 8: So that pross ended up being a lot longer than

985
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 8: I had initially hoped for, because we actually found ourselves

986
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 8: pregnant twice last year, the first one to six weeks,

987
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 8: the second one to seventeen weeks. And yeah, so my

988
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 8: poor little body got thrown back into postpartum twice as

989
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 8: I was already in postpartum.

990
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: And then I also did.

991
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 8: A back injury as well and ended up with a

992
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 8: bolding disk and a tear and a pinch nerve and

993
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 8: all sorts of stuff as well. So like I'd gone

994
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 8: through a lot physically and emotionally, and it was the

995
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 8: seventeen week loss was actually at a pretty awful time

996
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 8: because two days after coming home from the hospital with that,

997
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 8: we were setting off to run a business retreat for

998
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 8: Jack's company with eighty members, and the week after that

999
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 8: was our wedding, so there was no time to really

1000
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 8: process the grief. So we kind of had a chat

1001
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 8: about it and we're like, oh, because the social work

1002
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 8: is like, oh, you know, like we're here if you

1003
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 8: need us, and we're like, no, no, no, let's just

1004
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 8: like like you know, let's just you know, look forward

1005
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 8: to what we've got going on in the wedding and

1006
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 8: like try not to get too down and out about it.

1007
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: You know.

1008
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 8: It was almost like we made a conscious effort to

1009
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 8: try and skip the grief period, which in other.

1010
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Ways works every time.

1011
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 8: Life Lesson of twenty twenty four, let me tell you.

1012
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 8: But when we got to daydream and I've done the

1013
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 8: back injury on the way up, and I just fell apart.

1014
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: I've never been so sad in my whole entire life.

1015
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 5: And the social worker rang me a couple of days

1016
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 5: in and she's like, how are you going. I'm like,

1017
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 5: oh my god.

1018
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 8: She's like, yeah, this is why we've rung you anyway,

1019
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 8: because you're at that point now where it's like peak worst,

1020
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 8: you know.

1021
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: So that was really tough.

1022
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 8: So in answer the question, because that threw me back

1023
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 8: in again, I feel like I've only I maybe I'm

1024
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 8: only just now coming out of that at two years?

1025
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 8: Are is two years four months? Because of that additional

1026
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 8: time because they do say it's two it's two years, even.

1027
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 5: Though some say it's twelve.

1028
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 8: Like it's different for everyone, right, Like some people bounce

1029
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 8: back a bit quicker. But the Yeah, I really got

1030
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 8: stuffed around by the hormones. I'd never even recognized hormones

1031
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 8: and my body until that point, you know, like even

1032
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 8: with periods like growing up, you know, never had PMS

1033
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 8: or anything like, Yeah, it was crazy.

1034
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: It'll be good knowing that going in, you'll be able

1035
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: to sort of I feel like, you'll know.

1036
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 8: I'm still a bit terrified, though, Like I don't want to.

1037
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 8: I really don't want to feel like that again. I

1038
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 8: think that's the only thing. Everything else I'm prepared for,

1039
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 8: Like I had to see section. I'm prepared for the surgery.

1040
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 5: Again, even though that's a little bit terrifying itself.

1041
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 8: I'm prepared for it, all the breastfeeding, like all of

1042
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 8: that stuff. But I just, yeah, I just don't want

1043
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 8: to have to spend two years trying to pull myself

1044
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 8: back together again, because that's really what I feel like.

1045
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 8: I've like my main focus in the last two years

1046
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 8: has just been trying to film me again.

1047
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1048
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: I think really take into that the fourth trimester. You know,

1049
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: that's a really important thing that women Sometimes we're not

1050
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: encouraged to do, that fourth trimester of like really cocooning

1051
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: and giving yourself the time and your body to heal.

1052
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: I think that's I didn't do that, and a lot

1053
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: of women don't. But I think that that makes so

1054
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: much more sense to me now, is those three months

1055
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: after you give birth, just it's time for you baby,

1056
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, jack, to just cocoon a bit.

1057
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 8: I definitely want to do that, because I was sold

1058
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 8: on the myth of the you can have it all

1059
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 8: and you can be a business. So I was working

1060
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 8: till nine pm the night before my scheduled sea section

1061
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 8: at four o'clock the next morning, and I was back

1062
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 8: on the tools two weeks after having ari by c section,

1063
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 8: working with clients for the next twelve months, because like

1064
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 8: I was sold this, you know, illusionic and you can

1065
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 8: be a boss, and you can be a wife and

1066
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 8: a mother and like all these things. That made it

1067
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 8: even harder for me because I felt like I was

1068
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 8: failing at everything and I didn't even know what I

1069
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 8: truly wanted to do anymore, because so much my previous

1070
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 8: identity needed that to actually feel valued. But my value

1071
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 8: now comes from him and her. So I had everything

1072
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 8: that made me feel valued right there in my living room.

1073
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 5: I didn't need all of that anymore. So slowly my

1074
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 5: love for that business has died. Hence why I've just

1075
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: kind of let it go on life support.

1076
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: Well, I figure out the next thing.

1077
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: You guys, seem like you in a really good space,

1078
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: and I mean still new and fresh and on all

1079
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 3: that stuff, but you've put all the frameworking in to

1080
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: have a really successful time together and growing this beautiful

1081
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: family and businesses and life.

1082
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 7: We'll do it. We'll get to the rapid heartbeat. I

1083
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 7: just wanted to one.

1084
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: Is there a lesson about love that your relationship thus

1085
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: far has taught you?

1086
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Well?

1087
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: When you know, you know, I think in previous times

1088
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 4: I probably found myself trying to force certain things that

1089
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: in hindsight, I didn't.

1090
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: Need to force previous relationships.

1091
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: And as I started with, loving Amanda is so easy

1092
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: and being Amanda's teammate is so easy that yes, there's.

1093
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: Challenges, but it's none of it feels forced. And so.

1094
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, the biggest lesson thus far is probably

1095
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: against such such a clinical word, but partner selection. Find

1096
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: someone you want to do life with and that's the

1097
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: top for the challenge.

1098
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it would be there's a lot of stuff.

1099
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 8: I'm probably not going to quote it correctly, but they

1100
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 8: talk about like the right relationship will actually feel the hardest.

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Speaker 8: And so for me it was because all of the

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Speaker 8: wrong relationships I was in were trauma driven. They felt

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Speaker 8: safe and they felt comfortable based on my childhood trauma

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Speaker 8: and upbringing, versus when you're in something super safe and

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Speaker 8: you're with someone super safe, you start to almost want

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Speaker 8: to self sabotage that, thinking like like why does this

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Speaker 8: feel like this? Like should I be suspicious that it

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Speaker 8: feels too safe? And this person loves me too much?

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Speaker 8: And like what's the agenda here? And like it really

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Speaker 8: set off all of that in me. But yeah, the

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Speaker 8: more I've gone down the rabbit hole into the work

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Speaker 8: on that, I've actually found, like, you know, the per

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Speaker 8: fit relationships.

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Speaker 4: So they say the hardest relationship isn't the abusive relationship.

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Speaker 4: However one might interpret that, Yeah, it's the safe relationship

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Speaker 4: after that, the challenging relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Should we

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Speaker 2: do it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 7: So we do the rapid heartbeat, so you both answer

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Speaker 7: the same.

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Speaker 2: Question at the same time, not at the same time.

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Speaker 7: We want to hear your answers. Even though you harmonized,

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Speaker 7: you harmonize very well together.

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Speaker 1: So keep your answers short, and then we're just we're

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Speaker 1: just going to hit you with a few, hit you

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Speaker 1: with a few.

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Speaker 7: Okay, here, here I go.

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Speaker 1: What do you miss when you're not together?

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Speaker 2: Amanda's light, Jack's cuddles nice?

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Speaker 7: What habit does your partner have that you find adorable?

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Speaker 2: Everything?

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Speaker 7: His laugh the good habit to have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it about your relationship that makes you

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Speaker 1: feel grateful?

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Speaker 2: I would say Amanda's heart.

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Speaker 5: Jack will never leave me?

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Speaker 7: This Titanic. Now I'm in, Now, I'm I'm on that

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Speaker 7: door with Jack. Get on the door, all right? Describe

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Speaker 7: each other in one word.

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Speaker 9: Light lovable, beautiful, lovable, light, light And.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much you two for sharing what you

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Speaker 1: did and just being so honest and vulnerable with all that.

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Speaker 1: I know there's more to share, but it was really

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Speaker 1: really great talking to you by.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys for running this podcast. I think you

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Speaker 4: know we often discussed so much of what gets shared

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Speaker 4: around relationships and pregnancy and motherhood and parenthood and all

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Speaker 4: of it is often the highlight reel, and I think

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Speaker 4: conversations like the ones that you guys have all the

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Speaker 4: time on this show are really so meaningful for anybody

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Speaker 4: in or out of relationships to get an understanding that,

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Speaker 4: like you know, the challenges are normal. No relationship is perfect.

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Speaker 4: And so thank you guys for shining a light on

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Speaker 4: the other side of relationships that I think is really

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Speaker 4: important to talk about.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very kind of you. That will be opening

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Speaker 7: every show for the next.

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Speaker 1: And let's quote Jack again, five stars. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having us