1 00:00:05,961 --> 00:00:12,921 Speaker 1: Approache Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am 2 00:00:13,001 --> 00:00:17,601 Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle Comments and in this episode I speak 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,681 Speaker 1: to Zeke Campbell, a rising star in boxing and the 4 00:00:20,681 --> 00:00:23,721 Speaker 1: new South Wales and WBC Australasian Champion. 5 00:00:23,961 --> 00:00:25,921 Speaker 2: I've boys done boxing ever since I've grown up, ever 6 00:00:25,961 --> 00:00:28,641 Speaker 2: since I could walk. Basically, I've done boxing every weekend, 7 00:00:28,681 --> 00:00:31,361 Speaker 2: going out, getting on MD a party and looking for a. 8 00:00:31,361 --> 00:00:32,161 Speaker 3: Fight, looking for trouble. 9 00:00:32,161 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: And now you look back on anything stick to that 10 00:00:33,841 --> 00:00:35,361 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been for I am today. 11 00:00:35,881 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: I've never ever ever looked up to any fighter. As 12 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:38,681 Speaker 3: a kid. 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,921 Speaker 2: My dad would always say I was fighting or come 14 00:00:40,961 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: out and watch it is so I'll just be like 15 00:00:42,321 --> 00:00:44,561 Speaker 2: this ship, I'm. 16 00:00:44,361 --> 00:00:46,841 Speaker 3: Not really making no money from it yet, I'm still 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:47,241 Speaker 3: for nonsen. 18 00:00:47,961 --> 00:00:49,321 Speaker 2: If you want to be the best, you have to 19 00:00:49,321 --> 00:00:51,241 Speaker 2: fight the best, beat them and wipe out everyone in 20 00:00:51,241 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: my way in the Australa and then go up. 21 00:00:52,601 --> 00:00:54,481 Speaker 3: See it's like, yeah, that's the only way to the top. 22 00:00:57,241 --> 00:00:59,801 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, Zekeeah, thanks for the Underworld. 23 00:01:00,161 --> 00:01:03,241 Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's start with you growing up before you 24 00:01:03,281 --> 00:01:05,441 Speaker 1: got into boxing, all like that, your school and your 25 00:01:05,441 --> 00:01:07,441 Speaker 1: family ties and all like that. And work. 26 00:01:08,361 --> 00:01:08,521 Speaker 3: Well. 27 00:01:08,521 --> 00:01:10,961 Speaker 2: I was come from a big family of ten. So 28 00:01:10,961 --> 00:01:12,561 Speaker 2: it's ten siblings Jesus. 29 00:01:12,601 --> 00:01:14,681 Speaker 3: Yeah. So there's eight girls and two brothers. 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,921 Speaker 2: I'm the second oldest, so's oldest sister above me, then 31 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: a little brother one year one day blow me, and 32 00:01:21,761 --> 00:01:23,961 Speaker 2: then all the rest of the younger sisters. Wo. 33 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,001 Speaker 3: Big family. 34 00:01:25,681 --> 00:01:29,761 Speaker 2: We grew up in house Commission our lives always yeah, 35 00:01:29,761 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: always Wollongong. So I grew up in a place called 36 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,961 Speaker 2: Warrewong the state in their lego, it's known by Lego. 37 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,921 Speaker 3: It's the real name of its Bundeleia Estate. 38 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,121 Speaker 1: Yes, I know the world. Yeah. 39 00:01:40,161 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: So that's where I grew up. Lived there for about 40 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: fourteen years. I was in like year seven or eight. 41 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,441 Speaker 2: Then I moved from there to dap though to Kinawa 42 00:01:48,121 --> 00:01:50,041 Speaker 2: and that's where my mum and my sisters and brothers 43 00:01:50,121 --> 00:01:52,321 Speaker 2: still live out there. But I just moved out to 44 00:01:52,361 --> 00:01:55,081 Speaker 2: a place in Ferry Meadow. So that's close to Asha Wollongong. 45 00:01:55,121 --> 00:01:57,681 Speaker 2: Ye yeah yeah, yeah yeah. School and was all right. Look, 46 00:01:57,881 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: I never really liked school and I wasn't the best. 47 00:02:00,081 --> 00:02:01,921 Speaker 3: Out of it. Who always struggled. 48 00:02:03,601 --> 00:02:08,721 Speaker 2: I always struggled to read right, Yeah, listening class was 49 00:02:08,841 --> 00:02:10,881 Speaker 2: mucking around getting into trouble. 50 00:02:11,081 --> 00:02:14,881 Speaker 1: Was we've living in Warrawong and on that state because 51 00:02:14,881 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I know that stayed very well. Was it hard for 52 00:02:17,361 --> 00:02:19,481 Speaker 1: you to stay out of trouble because I know there 53 00:02:19,561 --> 00:02:20,881 Speaker 1: was a lot of trouble in the back in the 54 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,361 Speaker 1: day with from that state. 55 00:02:22,881 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: Was it hard? 56 00:02:24,001 --> 00:02:24,521 Speaker 3: It was hard? 57 00:02:24,601 --> 00:02:28,201 Speaker 2: But I think boxing, like I've always done boxing ever 58 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,481 Speaker 2: since I've grown up. Yeah, ever since I could walk. Basically, 59 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,921 Speaker 2: I've always done boxing. I was just a professional fighter. 60 00:02:33,001 --> 00:02:35,041 Speaker 2: My dad was a professional fighter for twenty plus years. 61 00:02:35,081 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: So oh really Yeah, so my dad's my coach, so 62 00:02:39,081 --> 00:02:41,601 Speaker 2: he was he was professional my whole life. 63 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 64 00:02:42,161 --> 00:02:44,641 Speaker 3: So he's bought my sister into it and brought me 65 00:02:44,721 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: into it. 66 00:02:45,081 --> 00:02:48,081 Speaker 1: So I'm going around for you if you got into trouble. 67 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always he made all the mistakes throughout his career. 68 00:02:53,081 --> 00:02:56,161 Speaker 2: So yeah, he's just told us what not to do 69 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,561 Speaker 2: and what to do. Like he's learned the mistakes for us. 70 00:02:58,601 --> 00:03:01,841 Speaker 2: He stuffed up, he's from partying and going out, getting 71 00:03:01,841 --> 00:03:04,721 Speaker 2: into trouble, fighting and this that. So he's always told 72 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,561 Speaker 2: us from wrong. I always had good discipline, strict parents. 73 00:03:07,601 --> 00:03:08,801 Speaker 3: Yeah, but did you. 74 00:03:08,881 --> 00:03:10,921 Speaker 1: Listen because I know when my father and I was 75 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,281 Speaker 1: always like that. I was scared of to get into trouble, 76 00:03:13,481 --> 00:03:15,601 Speaker 1: but I'd sneakly do things with my mates because he 77 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: definitely you know what I mean, and you try and 78 00:03:17,761 --> 00:03:19,201 Speaker 1: make sure it didn't get back to your dad or 79 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: your parents. Did that happen in your life? 80 00:03:22,161 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, So he always told me right from wrong. 81 00:03:25,761 --> 00:03:28,761 Speaker 2: But just beend the young teenager kid growing up around 82 00:03:28,921 --> 00:03:31,201 Speaker 2: all the boys in them areas. Yeah, everyone's up to 83 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,081 Speaker 2: the mystery of so just I think I've learnt learnt 84 00:03:34,121 --> 00:03:36,081 Speaker 2: myself they're going out doing it, making the mistake myself. 85 00:03:36,201 --> 00:03:36,401 Speaker 3: Yeah. 86 00:03:36,441 --> 00:03:39,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, So he always told me not to go out party, 87 00:03:39,881 --> 00:03:41,561 Speaker 2: can get in the trouble this stuff. But I think 88 00:03:41,601 --> 00:03:44,961 Speaker 2: I went out and made the mistaken and dealt consequences 89 00:03:45,001 --> 00:03:46,841 Speaker 2: and no, not not to do all the end. 90 00:03:46,921 --> 00:03:48,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember when I was growing up and 91 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:50,401 Speaker 1: I was about fourteen years old, and my mates used 92 00:03:50,401 --> 00:03:52,441 Speaker 1: to steal cars, and I used to say, I never 93 00:03:52,481 --> 00:03:53,881 Speaker 1: get it, never get it, And the one time I 94 00:03:54,001 --> 00:03:56,561 Speaker 1: got in it, they fucking crashed it. And then you're 95 00:03:56,601 --> 00:03:58,441 Speaker 1: trying to think, fuck, I hope this doesn't get back, you. 96 00:03:58,441 --> 00:04:01,321 Speaker 2: Know what I mean, having the exact time. Yeah, So 97 00:04:01,761 --> 00:04:04,601 Speaker 2: I've never ever stole cars or anything myself. But I've 98 00:04:04,601 --> 00:04:06,641 Speaker 2: always been around the boys that did it, Like all 99 00:04:06,681 --> 00:04:08,921 Speaker 2: my best mates. They've all like grew up frigging in 100 00:04:09,001 --> 00:04:11,361 Speaker 2: and out of juvie, you know, Like I'm being lucky enough, 101 00:04:11,401 --> 00:04:12,121 Speaker 2: so I've had boxing. 102 00:04:12,161 --> 00:04:14,401 Speaker 3: They keep me out of jail and juvy and all that. 103 00:04:14,521 --> 00:04:17,001 Speaker 2: But all my best friends of and all the boys 104 00:04:17,041 --> 00:04:18,761 Speaker 2: have grown up with like I one of my best 105 00:04:18,761 --> 00:04:20,401 Speaker 2: friends and now I just went back to jail. But 106 00:04:20,881 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: they all of them growing up, they've been in there 107 00:04:22,481 --> 00:04:24,641 Speaker 2: a juvi, stealing cars, breaking the new houses and that. 108 00:04:24,841 --> 00:04:27,121 Speaker 1: But but being friends, do they respect the fact that 109 00:04:27,201 --> 00:04:29,361 Speaker 1: because of your career and what you've done, they didn't 110 00:04:29,601 --> 00:04:30,041 Speaker 1: you to do that? 111 00:04:31,081 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: Probably not growing up like as young teenagers like fifteen 112 00:04:34,361 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: to eighteen, but now I definitely do. Like if even 113 00:04:37,641 --> 00:04:39,601 Speaker 2: if I wanted to, like so they say we're going 114 00:04:39,681 --> 00:04:42,001 Speaker 2: to going out the party or we're going to smash 115 00:04:42,081 --> 00:04:44,401 Speaker 2: his fat even if I wanted to say, oh you 116 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,361 Speaker 2: I'm comming, I'll tell you no, you're not common, You're 117 00:04:46,721 --> 00:04:49,361 Speaker 2: you're a career fos like now they would. 118 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,241 Speaker 3: But back in the day, they're like, come along, but. 119 00:04:51,561 --> 00:04:53,121 Speaker 1: Did you find when you were growing up because you 120 00:04:53,161 --> 00:04:55,681 Speaker 1: were you were a boxer, that sometimes you were used 121 00:04:56,241 --> 00:04:58,281 Speaker 1: because of what you were or. 122 00:04:58,281 --> 00:05:00,961 Speaker 2: In situation little bit, but people know or you can fight, 123 00:05:01,041 --> 00:05:03,561 Speaker 2: so they'll just try to use your name or try 124 00:05:03,681 --> 00:05:04,961 Speaker 2: like when they even if I've got nothing to do 125 00:05:05,121 --> 00:05:07,001 Speaker 2: for someone's starting on them, they'll be like, oh, yeah, 126 00:05:07,481 --> 00:05:08,001 Speaker 2: made on your. 127 00:05:08,401 --> 00:05:09,041 Speaker 1: We're gonna get. 128 00:05:10,561 --> 00:05:11,601 Speaker 3: Traving me into it that way. 129 00:05:11,681 --> 00:05:15,041 Speaker 2: But a little bit it also comes like from come 130 00:05:15,121 --> 00:05:16,921 Speaker 2: from the rough areas and the house commission areas, and 131 00:05:17,001 --> 00:05:21,721 Speaker 2: that people the fear or they're over like or he 132 00:05:21,801 --> 00:05:23,921 Speaker 2: thinks he's good because he's a box, and that contest you, Yeah, 133 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: that's correct. 134 00:05:25,601 --> 00:05:27,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I had I had I made when I 135 00:05:27,521 --> 00:05:29,761 Speaker 1: first came over here in Australia. When I moved over here, 136 00:05:30,041 --> 00:05:32,281 Speaker 1: he's a boxer and his whole family of boxes, and 137 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,401 Speaker 1: he got into trouble in a nightclub. He knocked him out, 138 00:05:35,521 --> 00:05:37,841 Speaker 1: killed him and because when it went to court, they 139 00:05:37,921 --> 00:05:39,801 Speaker 1: looked at him because of what he does for a 140 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,401 Speaker 1: living as he's a weapon, you know what I mean. 141 00:05:42,521 --> 00:05:45,401 Speaker 1: So it is hard for boxes. I understand that when 142 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,201 Speaker 1: did you move to to dactor? When when did your. 143 00:05:47,121 --> 00:05:50,041 Speaker 3: Fat to data? I think I was in year seven 144 00:05:50,121 --> 00:05:50,401 Speaker 3: or eight. 145 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,841 Speaker 1: Were a bit pretty young, Yeah, pretty young. What was 146 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,161 Speaker 1: that like when you moved out of warawong to adaptor 147 00:05:56,361 --> 00:05:57,681 Speaker 1: was it better for you? Did you feel that it 148 00:05:57,761 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: was a lot better or was it. 149 00:06:00,281 --> 00:06:02,441 Speaker 2: He's still sort of the same as yeah, lego, Like 150 00:06:02,761 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: it's still the same areas, still a lot of drug use, 151 00:06:06,521 --> 00:06:09,121 Speaker 2: to a lot of crime, youth crime. But I'd say 152 00:06:09,121 --> 00:06:11,521 Speaker 2: it's a bit less than what wrong, but pretty much 153 00:06:11,561 --> 00:06:13,081 Speaker 2: the same growing up there, that's growing up in my 154 00:06:13,921 --> 00:06:14,801 Speaker 2: pretty much the same man. 155 00:06:14,921 --> 00:06:17,361 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when when did you start to Don't tell 156 00:06:17,361 --> 00:06:18,721 Speaker 1: me the wrong way when I say this, but you 157 00:06:18,801 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: know when you get to a certain age and you go, okay, 158 00:06:20,801 --> 00:06:22,761 Speaker 1: this is it now, box is what I want to do. 159 00:06:22,841 --> 00:06:25,441 Speaker 1: I'm taking fucking shit, seriously, that's probably only the last 160 00:06:25,481 --> 00:06:26,561 Speaker 1: two years, I really. 161 00:06:26,681 --> 00:06:28,921 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I'm only I'm only twenty two, twenty two 162 00:06:28,961 --> 00:06:33,721 Speaker 2: next month, so I was probably sixteen to eighteen. I 163 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,961 Speaker 2: was really heavily fucking every weekend, going out, getting on 164 00:06:37,121 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: m D a party and yeah, like I was getting 165 00:06:40,121 --> 00:06:42,481 Speaker 2: on the freaking bags and running the muf for the boys. 166 00:06:42,561 --> 00:06:45,801 Speaker 2: Like we'd get on them like party drugs and buy alcohol, 167 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:46,481 Speaker 2: get off our heads. 168 00:06:46,521 --> 00:06:47,681 Speaker 3: We're going go out party. 169 00:06:47,721 --> 00:06:50,001 Speaker 2: Then we'd be like we won't even go out to 170 00:06:50,041 --> 00:06:51,921 Speaker 2: get chicks or would have fun anything good, go out 171 00:06:51,961 --> 00:06:55,561 Speaker 2: and looking for fight, looking for trouble. A young kids 172 00:06:55,601 --> 00:06:58,481 Speaker 2: freaking thinking they're hard, thinking that's like the right thing 173 00:06:58,521 --> 00:07:00,161 Speaker 2: to do. But now you look back on it, you think, fuck, 174 00:07:00,201 --> 00:07:03,001 Speaker 2: we're idiots, Like that's not that's not the way to 175 00:07:03,081 --> 00:07:06,121 Speaker 2: thing all freaking the way to live. You just stuff 176 00:07:06,161 --> 00:07:07,681 Speaker 2: in your life, stop stuff in your careers up. If 177 00:07:07,721 --> 00:07:09,521 Speaker 2: I stick to that, I wouldn't have been who I 178 00:07:09,601 --> 00:07:12,241 Speaker 2: am today and winning the fight t ime today. Like 179 00:07:12,921 --> 00:07:15,561 Speaker 2: I realized that probably I did it all out from 180 00:07:15,561 --> 00:07:19,761 Speaker 2: makrahamage career. I had like seventy sixty five plus amateur fights, 181 00:07:20,081 --> 00:07:23,121 Speaker 2: so I had a big amage career, won multiple titles, 182 00:07:23,561 --> 00:07:25,801 Speaker 2: state champions, showing champion, gone club champion and all that. 183 00:07:26,001 --> 00:07:29,241 Speaker 2: But throughout my image career from like fifteen eighteen, I 184 00:07:29,361 --> 00:07:32,321 Speaker 2: was still partying. I was still going out if the boys, 185 00:07:32,401 --> 00:07:35,481 Speaker 2: running a mark. And then I had my first professional 186 00:07:35,561 --> 00:07:38,241 Speaker 2: fight when I was fresh eighteen. So I turned turned 187 00:07:38,241 --> 00:07:41,481 Speaker 2: professional as soon as I turn eighteen. And I thought 188 00:07:41,521 --> 00:07:44,361 Speaker 2: a guy that I should have got out of there 189 00:07:44,441 --> 00:07:46,801 Speaker 2: easier than I did, Like I beat him, I still 190 00:07:46,801 --> 00:07:48,681 Speaker 2: won on points, but I should have probably stopped him. 191 00:07:49,561 --> 00:07:52,481 Speaker 2: And even like my first professional fight the date before it, 192 00:07:52,681 --> 00:07:55,921 Speaker 2: like I waited in, I went home frigging. I used 193 00:07:55,921 --> 00:07:58,201 Speaker 2: to freaking smoke a bit of yany this that like 194 00:07:58,401 --> 00:08:00,841 Speaker 2: everyone knows around the area. But that's what made me 195 00:08:00,961 --> 00:08:04,481 Speaker 2: realize when I went home fregging done that went back 196 00:08:04,561 --> 00:08:07,481 Speaker 2: to fight like I gassed out in thirty four rounds. 197 00:08:07,681 --> 00:08:09,281 Speaker 2: It was only four round fight, but I was a 198 00:08:09,321 --> 00:08:12,321 Speaker 2: completely gas friggant and only just got not just got 199 00:08:12,321 --> 00:08:12,681 Speaker 2: the decision. 200 00:08:12,681 --> 00:08:15,321 Speaker 3: I still won easily, but I should have beat him 201 00:08:15,321 --> 00:08:19,201 Speaker 3: way better than Yeah. So that's what made me realize. 202 00:08:19,241 --> 00:08:21,601 Speaker 2: I think, if I really want to do this properly 203 00:08:21,681 --> 00:08:24,161 Speaker 2: and actually make it and be a world champion, that's 204 00:08:24,201 --> 00:08:26,121 Speaker 2: moment of dreams as a kid. If I really want 205 00:08:26,161 --> 00:08:28,161 Speaker 2: to make it to the top, if I really want 206 00:08:28,201 --> 00:08:30,441 Speaker 2: to take it as far as I can, it's no 207 00:08:30,521 --> 00:08:33,001 Speaker 2: point in putting Riggan advantage more advantage of me than 208 00:08:33,001 --> 00:08:36,041 Speaker 2: I already have. So that's what really woke me up. 209 00:08:36,121 --> 00:08:39,641 Speaker 2: So after that fighter, I really haven't touched any party 210 00:08:39,681 --> 00:08:44,161 Speaker 2: pills or smoked hard. For you, when you see your 211 00:08:44,201 --> 00:08:47,601 Speaker 2: mates doing it when you're I've really cut off going 212 00:08:47,641 --> 00:08:50,241 Speaker 2: out for the boys and that since they do, they 213 00:08:50,321 --> 00:08:52,041 Speaker 2: also go out and do it in that but I 214 00:08:52,121 --> 00:08:52,761 Speaker 2: don't judge them. 215 00:08:52,841 --> 00:08:53,481 Speaker 3: That's that's them. 216 00:08:53,521 --> 00:08:55,161 Speaker 2: They don't have a sporting career, they don't want to 217 00:08:55,201 --> 00:08:57,401 Speaker 2: take nothing, so that's up to them. That I can 218 00:08:57,721 --> 00:08:59,681 Speaker 2: still best matesve for more, still talk to them more. 219 00:08:59,721 --> 00:09:02,721 Speaker 2: But I just for me to get to where I 220 00:09:02,761 --> 00:09:04,521 Speaker 2: want to be. I can't go out and party. I 221 00:09:04,561 --> 00:09:06,641 Speaker 2: can't go out and get into trouble. Starting to get 222 00:09:06,721 --> 00:09:08,641 Speaker 2: bigger name of sponsors and starting to get a bigger name, 223 00:09:08,681 --> 00:09:11,281 Speaker 2: fighting on TVs, fight on no limit, fight on these 224 00:09:11,321 --> 00:09:14,961 Speaker 2: big platforms, getting signed by George Combosa's dad, Jim Cambosas. 225 00:09:15,081 --> 00:09:17,321 Speaker 3: So I'm starting to get all these recognitions, starting to 226 00:09:17,401 --> 00:09:18,401 Speaker 3: slowly get my way up there. 227 00:09:18,401 --> 00:09:20,321 Speaker 2: If I just went out and even if I just 228 00:09:20,481 --> 00:09:21,841 Speaker 2: had a fight on the straight or something that would 229 00:09:21,881 --> 00:09:25,041 Speaker 2: blast my name all through the papers new South Wales champion, 230 00:09:25,081 --> 00:09:25,801 Speaker 2: this champion, and. 231 00:09:25,801 --> 00:09:28,601 Speaker 1: It's already is very hard for an Australian boxer to 232 00:09:28,801 --> 00:09:30,961 Speaker 1: get where you want to get, you know, I mean 233 00:09:31,001 --> 00:09:34,001 Speaker 1: it's very hard. Do you find that for you, Like 234 00:09:34,121 --> 00:09:35,521 Speaker 1: I know it's on the early days, but do you 235 00:09:35,641 --> 00:09:39,361 Speaker 1: find that Australian boxing it's hard for a boxer to 236 00:09:39,401 --> 00:09:41,281 Speaker 1: make it and you'd have to go overseas to get 237 00:09:41,561 --> 00:09:42,361 Speaker 1: that goal that you want. 238 00:09:42,561 --> 00:09:43,481 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, you have to. 239 00:09:44,161 --> 00:09:47,121 Speaker 2: Well, the planning is so far as to wipe out 240 00:09:47,161 --> 00:09:49,201 Speaker 2: everyone in my way into Australia and then go up seas. 241 00:09:49,881 --> 00:09:53,161 Speaker 2: Once you beat everyone that's worth fighting and beating in Australia, 242 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:55,601 Speaker 2: anyone with half a name, anyone for a name in Australia. 243 00:09:55,641 --> 00:09:56,841 Speaker 2: Once you wipe all them out, you have to go 244 00:09:56,921 --> 00:09:58,841 Speaker 2: up seas to take it to the next level. Like, 245 00:09:59,361 --> 00:10:01,121 Speaker 2: if you're stay in Australia, you're not going to get anybody. 246 00:10:01,161 --> 00:10:03,161 Speaker 2: You're just gonna the best. You're going to get a 247 00:10:03,201 --> 00:10:07,361 Speaker 2: strange champion. There's ti lightest one Australasian champion. So if 248 00:10:07,521 --> 00:10:09,161 Speaker 2: once you wipe everyone in Australia and you have to 249 00:10:09,161 --> 00:10:11,481 Speaker 2: go overseas to get to that world ranking the world titles, 250 00:10:11,521 --> 00:10:13,801 Speaker 2: sure let's get your name. Because these days it's about 251 00:10:13,801 --> 00:10:15,401 Speaker 2: your fan base. Like if you don't have a big 252 00:10:15,481 --> 00:10:18,721 Speaker 2: name on social media or big fan base, then you're 253 00:10:18,721 --> 00:10:20,921 Speaker 2: not really Yeah, did. 254 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:22,681 Speaker 1: You find when you were an amateur the reason why 255 00:10:22,761 --> 00:10:25,201 Speaker 1: you were going still out party? Were you negative sometimes 256 00:10:25,241 --> 00:10:27,121 Speaker 1: about trying to get to where you want to get, 257 00:10:27,161 --> 00:10:29,881 Speaker 1: because I know what it's like for amateur wives, for boxes. 258 00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,441 Speaker 1: It's just like you know, sometimes you just stay amateur 259 00:10:32,481 --> 00:10:34,241 Speaker 1: amateur and you get promised a lot of things and 260 00:10:34,321 --> 00:10:37,241 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. Is that in your head too? Or 261 00:10:37,321 --> 00:10:38,121 Speaker 1: you always positive? 262 00:10:38,561 --> 00:10:40,041 Speaker 3: I was always positive. I always knew that. 263 00:10:40,841 --> 00:10:43,081 Speaker 2: I think my dream was always to be professional, and 264 00:10:43,321 --> 00:10:45,161 Speaker 2: that's when I would always thought in my head and 265 00:10:45,201 --> 00:10:47,321 Speaker 2: once a professional, then I'll switch on. Yeah, Like I 266 00:10:47,361 --> 00:10:51,001 Speaker 2: always thought like damages win, loser was lost, like you 267 00:10:51,121 --> 00:10:54,001 Speaker 2: just get experience for the pos. But now I look back, 268 00:10:54,201 --> 00:10:56,161 Speaker 2: I was a pretty good amateur, Like I had sixty 269 00:10:56,201 --> 00:10:58,601 Speaker 2: plus fights, sixty five fights or something like that and 270 00:10:59,401 --> 00:11:03,161 Speaker 2: twenty losses. So I had multiple state champion, Australian champion, 271 00:11:03,361 --> 00:11:05,401 Speaker 2: won all these stuff. But even now I look back 272 00:11:05,441 --> 00:11:07,921 Speaker 2: on it and think if maybe if I didn't party, 273 00:11:08,001 --> 00:11:09,361 Speaker 2: then I could have went to the Olympics. 274 00:11:09,441 --> 00:11:11,681 Speaker 1: Or about to ask you that, and you'd never wanted 275 00:11:11,681 --> 00:11:13,521 Speaker 1: to go to the Olympics. What was the reason there? 276 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:17,041 Speaker 2: Well, I was in the ABA. Yeah, the ABA is 277 00:11:17,041 --> 00:11:19,241 Speaker 2: where you go to go to like the Olympics and 278 00:11:19,241 --> 00:11:21,201 Speaker 2: all that. So I was in that my whole career 279 00:11:21,721 --> 00:11:23,321 Speaker 2: and I won the new so f Wales title that 280 00:11:23,481 --> 00:11:26,281 Speaker 2: I say like sixty six kilos, and then I wanted 281 00:11:26,321 --> 00:11:27,721 Speaker 2: to go to the strains and you have to win 282 00:11:27,761 --> 00:11:29,881 Speaker 2: the strains then go to Oceanas and whatever it is 283 00:11:29,961 --> 00:11:32,721 Speaker 2: to go to Olympics. But when I got to the strains, 284 00:11:32,961 --> 00:11:34,161 Speaker 2: they had me in a whole different weight to the 285 00:11:34,201 --> 00:11:38,121 Speaker 2: class that I didn't even like fighting or nominating. So 286 00:11:38,241 --> 00:11:39,881 Speaker 2: they stuffed me around a bit, and like I had 287 00:11:39,921 --> 00:11:42,001 Speaker 2: like fifteen it was like ten fifty kilow to lose 288 00:11:42,001 --> 00:11:45,401 Speaker 2: overnight for I wanted to fight. Yeah, so they stuffed 289 00:11:45,401 --> 00:11:47,721 Speaker 2: me around and couldn't fight. So I got me and 290 00:11:47,801 --> 00:11:49,361 Speaker 2: my dad got the ships a bit and said, because 291 00:11:49,401 --> 00:11:51,001 Speaker 2: he always promised me that year I was going to 292 00:11:51,041 --> 00:11:52,241 Speaker 2: fight for a strained title, I was going to become 293 00:11:52,281 --> 00:11:55,361 Speaker 2: strange champion. So when they stuffed that around, like I 294 00:11:56,561 --> 00:11:59,561 Speaker 2: got the ships a been for or what promised me 295 00:11:59,601 --> 00:12:02,041 Speaker 2: and said, I promised you you'll fight for a strained title. 296 00:12:02,081 --> 00:12:03,361 Speaker 3: So let's just go over to the league and you 297 00:12:03,401 --> 00:12:04,241 Speaker 3: fight for a strained title. 298 00:12:04,281 --> 00:12:05,721 Speaker 2: And there I mean, I to the League for a 299 00:12:05,721 --> 00:12:08,601 Speaker 2: for Australian title, won it, and then we just liked 300 00:12:08,641 --> 00:12:09,401 Speaker 2: the league a bit better. 301 00:12:09,401 --> 00:12:11,041 Speaker 3: It was more like the pros. They let stuff go 302 00:12:11,121 --> 00:12:13,201 Speaker 3: a bit they they let you stand and bang a 303 00:12:13,241 --> 00:12:13,561 Speaker 3: bit more. 304 00:12:13,601 --> 00:12:16,441 Speaker 2: They don't stop it every five seconds, like it's a 305 00:12:16,481 --> 00:12:18,561 Speaker 2: bit more rough, bit more pro like, even like the 306 00:12:18,761 --> 00:12:20,321 Speaker 2: venues he fired out of the crowds, like it's a 307 00:12:20,361 --> 00:12:23,081 Speaker 2: bit more rougher. So we liked out a bit more. 308 00:12:23,121 --> 00:12:24,881 Speaker 2: So we stayed there for like two and a half years, 309 00:12:24,921 --> 00:12:27,201 Speaker 2: and then I don't prefer So how is. 310 00:12:27,161 --> 00:12:29,241 Speaker 1: It having a dad as a as a as a trainer? 311 00:12:29,361 --> 00:12:29,961 Speaker 1: Is it? 312 00:12:30,721 --> 00:12:31,001 Speaker 2: Or is it? 313 00:12:31,361 --> 00:12:33,321 Speaker 1: Like do you ever get that space that you need 314 00:12:33,361 --> 00:12:34,441 Speaker 1: from him because you've got. 315 00:12:36,601 --> 00:12:38,521 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's all over news, so I wouldn't 316 00:12:38,521 --> 00:12:41,001 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want anyone else in my corner out Me 317 00:12:41,041 --> 00:12:43,281 Speaker 2: and my dad's best mates. So he tells me everything. 318 00:12:43,321 --> 00:12:45,881 Speaker 2: I'll tell him everything, So I wouldn't really want anyone 319 00:12:45,881 --> 00:12:47,761 Speaker 2: else in my corner. It's all over known. 320 00:12:47,881 --> 00:12:50,361 Speaker 1: So I think that was he concerned when you were 321 00:12:50,401 --> 00:12:53,681 Speaker 1: always partying or did you hide that from him? 322 00:12:53,721 --> 00:12:57,601 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he didn't. He didn't know the stint. I 323 00:12:57,721 --> 00:12:59,881 Speaker 3: was partying too, but he knew he wasn't done. 324 00:13:00,161 --> 00:13:02,281 Speaker 2: He's lived a life, he's rigan, he's done all that, 325 00:13:02,401 --> 00:13:03,321 Speaker 2: But he didn't want you got downe. 326 00:13:03,561 --> 00:13:05,441 Speaker 3: He didn't want me to go. I think goooz. 327 00:13:06,001 --> 00:13:07,641 Speaker 2: He did go for a stage where he tells me, 328 00:13:07,681 --> 00:13:09,281 Speaker 2: now like you did go for a stage where I 329 00:13:09,361 --> 00:13:11,001 Speaker 2: was a bit worried, like we are you gonna fare 330 00:13:11,001 --> 00:13:14,281 Speaker 2: your career? Aid this that, But I think he didn't 331 00:13:14,281 --> 00:13:16,241 Speaker 2: know the extent I was partying that too, and the 332 00:13:16,281 --> 00:13:18,681 Speaker 2: stuff I was doing. But yeah, he doesn't now, so 333 00:13:19,161 --> 00:13:21,081 Speaker 2: he just says that you're lucky you learned from it, 334 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:24,441 Speaker 2: like in time, like you didn't look back when I did. 335 00:13:24,601 --> 00:13:27,161 Speaker 2: When your careers already over, you're already made, You've already 336 00:13:27,201 --> 00:13:29,481 Speaker 2: built your losses, You've reready made of them mistakes, and 337 00:13:29,521 --> 00:13:31,081 Speaker 2: then you look back and realize, oh, I shouldn't have 338 00:13:31,081 --> 00:13:34,201 Speaker 2: done that. I'm luckier that I've realized and working up 339 00:13:34,241 --> 00:13:37,241 Speaker 2: to myself and cut the shit out before Riggan shit 340 00:13:37,281 --> 00:13:37,641 Speaker 2: got real. 341 00:13:37,721 --> 00:13:41,321 Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of young talent go to 342 00:13:41,441 --> 00:13:45,641 Speaker 1: waste because it's they get in taste in the party scene, 343 00:13:45,641 --> 00:13:47,721 Speaker 1: they get in taste with the drug scene, and they 344 00:13:47,761 --> 00:13:49,561 Speaker 1: get in taste because they see their mates doing it 345 00:13:49,641 --> 00:13:51,321 Speaker 1: and they don't want to be left out. It's not 346 00:13:51,441 --> 00:13:53,121 Speaker 1: that they won't be left out, they just feel like, 347 00:13:53,681 --> 00:13:56,241 Speaker 1: am I missing out. They're doing it, I'm not. I 348 00:13:56,361 --> 00:13:57,921 Speaker 1: look like the boring cunt, you know what I mean. 349 00:13:58,001 --> 00:14:00,241 Speaker 2: And also you freaking you think you can do both 350 00:14:00,281 --> 00:14:03,081 Speaker 2: well at the time, like you think you do this. Yeah, 351 00:14:03,161 --> 00:14:06,601 Speaker 2: you think just because he was storing drugs and or 352 00:14:06,681 --> 00:14:09,201 Speaker 2: alcohol and was doing crime whatever he was doing and 353 00:14:09,441 --> 00:14:11,761 Speaker 2: he didn't make it doesn't mean like I can't. When 354 00:14:11,761 --> 00:14:13,721 Speaker 2: you're doing it, you think, oh, I'll be able to 355 00:14:13,761 --> 00:14:15,721 Speaker 2: do it and still win, like I'm untouchable, Like you 356 00:14:15,801 --> 00:14:18,201 Speaker 2: think that when you're doing it, but really rare. It 357 00:14:18,481 --> 00:14:21,241 Speaker 2: is like the person living a cleaner healthy lifestyle training 358 00:14:21,281 --> 00:14:24,361 Speaker 2: hard and eating living clean lifestyle than you. If you 359 00:14:24,441 --> 00:14:27,881 Speaker 2: do any verrigan like eating and junk or party and whatever, 360 00:14:27,921 --> 00:14:31,121 Speaker 2: you're just putting yourself a disadvantage. So obviously the cleaner 361 00:14:31,161 --> 00:14:32,641 Speaker 2: living person is going to win every time. 362 00:14:32,881 --> 00:14:35,641 Speaker 1: Correct. So talking through your your first profight, like what 363 00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:39,441 Speaker 1: was that like compared to amateur you know, like, were 364 00:14:39,481 --> 00:14:41,881 Speaker 1: you nervous? Were you you psyched forward it? How did 365 00:14:41,921 --> 00:14:43,041 Speaker 1: you train for that first fight? 366 00:14:44,481 --> 00:14:46,081 Speaker 3: I knew I was going to win before I even 367 00:14:46,161 --> 00:14:49,001 Speaker 3: had the fire, like I think like I was. 368 00:14:49,121 --> 00:14:52,361 Speaker 2: I've always been confident of both, probably the most confident 369 00:14:52,441 --> 00:14:55,761 Speaker 2: in my career is myself like like I never ever 370 00:14:55,841 --> 00:14:57,881 Speaker 2: doubt myself even still to this day. Like you could 371 00:14:57,881 --> 00:15:00,441 Speaker 2: put me in a rigan the world champion, I'll be 372 00:15:00,481 --> 00:15:02,721 Speaker 2: thinking he might be downbeating him. Like I've just always 373 00:15:02,761 --> 00:15:06,881 Speaker 2: self belief like unbelievable. So I wasn't nervous. I wasn't 374 00:15:07,441 --> 00:15:08,761 Speaker 2: when it was definitely going in there thinking I was 375 00:15:08,801 --> 00:15:11,921 Speaker 2: on one hundred percent win. It's normal training like what 376 00:15:12,001 --> 00:15:13,921 Speaker 2: I did, mates, I've always trained hard in my life, 377 00:15:13,961 --> 00:15:16,081 Speaker 2: but I think I was a bit. I was a 378 00:15:16,121 --> 00:15:18,681 Speaker 2: bit nervous that like the smaller gloves, no head gear 379 00:15:18,681 --> 00:15:20,401 Speaker 2: and all that, yeah, and that sort of stuff. But 380 00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:22,841 Speaker 2: once I got in there and after the fire, I 381 00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:24,441 Speaker 2: won it and I loved it. So I love the 382 00:15:24,481 --> 00:15:25,721 Speaker 2: foes way more than thees. 383 00:15:25,921 --> 00:15:28,681 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because now with the with the pro is, 384 00:15:28,681 --> 00:15:31,121 Speaker 1: there's more of a goal than the achievement to go for. Now, 385 00:15:31,681 --> 00:15:35,921 Speaker 1: who as growing up, like besides your father was your 386 00:15:36,001 --> 00:15:36,881 Speaker 1: idol as a boxer. 387 00:15:37,801 --> 00:15:39,841 Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is like I've never ever ever 388 00:15:39,961 --> 00:15:44,641 Speaker 2: looked up to any fighter besides George Okay, and that's 389 00:15:44,641 --> 00:15:46,641 Speaker 2: what I'm signed by that now, like his father, Jim. 390 00:15:47,161 --> 00:15:49,281 Speaker 2: But yeah, like as a kid, my dad would always 391 00:15:49,281 --> 00:15:52,201 Speaker 2: say like a fluid members fighting or Canelos fight and 392 00:15:52,281 --> 00:15:54,001 Speaker 2: this fight's happening, or come out and watching this, So 393 00:15:54,001 --> 00:15:55,601 Speaker 2: I'll just be like they're ship. 394 00:15:56,841 --> 00:15:59,161 Speaker 3: I'll go out like them, like I don't want to 395 00:15:59,201 --> 00:16:02,641 Speaker 3: watch them, Like I don't know, like I've always had. 396 00:16:02,521 --> 00:16:05,241 Speaker 2: No interest in anyone else's career or any when I 397 00:16:05,321 --> 00:16:08,041 Speaker 2: was like, I think I don't care about them. But 398 00:16:08,161 --> 00:16:09,961 Speaker 2: the funny thing is, Yeah, the only person I've ever 399 00:16:10,041 --> 00:16:11,721 Speaker 2: looked up to is And I don't know why. I 400 00:16:11,761 --> 00:16:15,081 Speaker 2: think it's just a self belief and the father's son 401 00:16:15,161 --> 00:16:17,361 Speaker 2: bond like that Georgian and his dad have. Yeah, and 402 00:16:17,441 --> 00:16:20,441 Speaker 2: George is really like self belief, and I don't know. 403 00:16:20,561 --> 00:16:22,761 Speaker 2: He's the only one I've ever looked up to as 404 00:16:22,841 --> 00:16:24,801 Speaker 2: even as a kid I was. I think I was 405 00:16:24,841 --> 00:16:28,161 Speaker 2: like fourteen fifteen a Sarks for my birthday present for him, 406 00:16:28,241 --> 00:16:29,481 Speaker 2: me and my dad to go out watch him fight. 407 00:16:29,801 --> 00:16:31,281 Speaker 2: So he used to go and watch him fight, and 408 00:16:31,761 --> 00:16:34,201 Speaker 2: I've still got a post on my bedroom he signed 409 00:16:34,201 --> 00:16:36,721 Speaker 2: to me. And I was like thirteen years old, I've 410 00:16:36,761 --> 00:16:39,241 Speaker 2: heard big things, keep training hard and like he signed 411 00:16:39,241 --> 00:16:41,321 Speaker 2: it before he was like he was anything, Like he 412 00:16:41,441 --> 00:16:44,121 Speaker 2: was just a normal fighter, profile a fight in Sydney. 413 00:16:44,161 --> 00:16:46,441 Speaker 1: How I am now, Yeah, because I know what it's 414 00:16:46,761 --> 00:16:49,721 Speaker 1: like being formed by myself. I grew up with Vito, 415 00:16:50,081 --> 00:16:51,761 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm good friends with Vito, Yeah, 416 00:16:51,881 --> 00:16:52,401 Speaker 1: trained my dad. 417 00:16:52,561 --> 00:16:52,761 Speaker 3: Yeah. 418 00:16:54,001 --> 00:16:55,841 Speaker 1: And I used to be good friends with Channon Taylor 419 00:16:56,281 --> 00:16:58,601 Speaker 1: Clem Pitt. So I've seen what they've had to go 420 00:16:58,801 --> 00:17:00,641 Speaker 1: through of the years to get to where they wanted 421 00:17:00,681 --> 00:17:02,761 Speaker 1: to go. You know, sometimes it was too hard for 422 00:17:02,881 --> 00:17:05,481 Speaker 1: one of them and they kind of fled. It's not 423 00:17:05,561 --> 00:17:07,561 Speaker 1: for me, you know what I mean. And now you're 424 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,561 Speaker 1: Shannon with his health, what's happened to him? Is there 425 00:17:10,561 --> 00:17:13,801 Speaker 1: anything that concerns you with the way boxings run? Like 426 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of corruption, Yeah, there is a lot 427 00:17:15,761 --> 00:17:17,041 Speaker 1: of crups. Do you think there's a lot of corruption 428 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,561 Speaker 1: in the Australian one or you can't. 429 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,281 Speaker 2: Say no, there's definitely corruption at all, but not really 430 00:17:23,321 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: at the lower level. It's more when you get up 431 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,761 Speaker 2: start getting up there. I don't think at the level 432 00:17:27,801 --> 00:17:29,961 Speaker 2: I'm at now, like, no one's really the corrupts. Like 433 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: you might win a fight and you thought you win it, 434 00:17:32,721 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: then they give it to the other person on that 435 00:17:33,961 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: but that's about it at this lower level. But I 436 00:17:36,921 --> 00:17:38,881 Speaker 2: think more higher you get up, the more crap you get. 437 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: But I don't know really much about it. 438 00:17:41,041 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: So what's what's the worst thing you've ever come across 439 00:17:43,481 --> 00:17:45,721 Speaker 1: in your life at the moment, besides boxing, what's the 440 00:17:45,801 --> 00:17:49,201 Speaker 1: worst thing that you have ever come across? Or you've 441 00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,561 Speaker 1: been lucky enough not to come across anything yet that's 442 00:17:52,281 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: worried you or taken you know, you're being all good. 443 00:17:55,561 --> 00:17:59,001 Speaker 2: No pretty being lucky, but no pretty being ucky. Nothing 444 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,521 Speaker 2: really happened to me. It's being jumped a couple of times. 445 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: About it is that because of who you are, probably 446 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,441 Speaker 2: just the area I'm from, or because. 447 00:18:07,241 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: I've noticed that with Woong's so small that you know, 448 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,721 Speaker 1: they get to know your private life in business and 449 00:18:11,801 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: everyone knows everything about you. That's why I moved out. 450 00:18:16,201 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 2: Everyone knows everything, Like everyone knows that you're dating her. 451 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,321 Speaker 2: You're figging you live there, You're figuring you got a 452 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:25,281 Speaker 2: problem with him, like everyone knows everything. But no, I've 453 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: only been jumped a couple of times, Freggan, that's probably 454 00:18:27,761 --> 00:18:31,161 Speaker 2: just because yeah, a bit of my name and where 455 00:18:31,201 --> 00:18:31,561 Speaker 2: I'm from. 456 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 3: One night we went out, we would just seem like, well, 457 00:18:34,481 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: not at the nightclubs and we're just men. 458 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,001 Speaker 2: And my mate went back to the car, sat back 459 00:18:39,041 --> 00:18:41,721 Speaker 2: in it, and six seven boys come locked on the window, 460 00:18:42,561 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: try to say we jumped their little brother or something. 461 00:18:45,201 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: I don't even know who they are, so I don't 462 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: even know what their problems were. 463 00:18:48,001 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: I just told them to kiss off, and then you 464 00:18:51,001 --> 00:18:53,481 Speaker 2: know where, another ten boys come around, freaking trappers in 465 00:18:53,521 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: the car just about it. 466 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,041 Speaker 3: But yeah, Jeane jumped a couple of times. 467 00:18:59,241 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: But that's what comes with living in their areas, and 468 00:19:02,001 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: especially if the Sydney stuff frigging post co wars and 469 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,961 Speaker 2: repping this area to that area. I think Willongong tried 470 00:19:08,001 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: to adapt that and copy that, like the whole of 471 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,281 Speaker 2: Australians copied it, bringing more knife crime. And my boys 472 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: from this area we don't like the boys from that area. 473 00:19:17,321 --> 00:19:21,041 Speaker 2: It's just everyone's just trying to freaking post codes and 474 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: mean nothing to them. 475 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think ten and pros that kind of 476 00:19:24,481 --> 00:19:25,401 Speaker 1: disciplined you in a way. 477 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,841 Speaker 3: It's changed my life completely. 478 00:19:28,281 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: Since I've turned pro, and just after my pro deboo, 479 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,641 Speaker 2: I had my first son, Bronson, so he's what he's 480 00:19:34,681 --> 00:19:37,281 Speaker 2: one now. So since I turned pro and had my 481 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,921 Speaker 2: first son, I've changed around completely and don't go out 482 00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: parties train hards. I'm trying to build a future for 483 00:19:43,281 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: my son and for my soon to be wife and 484 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,321 Speaker 2: this family. That's all I go about now. 485 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: So what's the major goal for you now? 486 00:19:50,281 --> 00:19:50,321 Speaker 3: Like? 487 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: How many fights have you had so far? 488 00:19:52,561 --> 00:19:52,721 Speaker 3: Eight? 489 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:53,281 Speaker 1: Eight? 490 00:19:53,721 --> 00:19:56,641 Speaker 2: Having my nine professional fight on twenty eighth for June. 491 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,001 Speaker 2: Where's that going to be at the Grand Pavilion? So 492 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,881 Speaker 2: it's in Nearbankstown area? 493 00:20:02,041 --> 00:20:03,681 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, do you have many fates? 494 00:20:03,681 --> 00:20:07,641 Speaker 3: Ada's League d I've never fought there in my life. 495 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: No, my dad's told me stories like they used to 496 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,281 Speaker 2: the Berkeley Sports Center or whatever it is, like they 497 00:20:14,321 --> 00:20:16,521 Speaker 2: had a couple of finans there. But yeah, they never 498 00:20:16,561 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: really hold boxing down Wongong anymore. Really, Like there's a 499 00:20:19,921 --> 00:20:22,321 Speaker 2: couple of shows like black Dom and there's a gym 500 00:20:22,441 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: Core down at black Don Box and they held a 501 00:20:23,961 --> 00:20:25,321 Speaker 2: couple of shows every now and then. 502 00:20:25,481 --> 00:20:27,641 Speaker 1: So you've never done it, like a fight in your hometown. 503 00:20:28,041 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: My protoboo was in Molgong, but that's because we're at 504 00:20:32,241 --> 00:20:35,921 Speaker 2: the Drange Grange Boxing that's where my sister trains still 505 00:20:36,041 --> 00:20:38,561 Speaker 2: to this day. We just held our own card and 506 00:20:38,721 --> 00:20:41,321 Speaker 2: we just held it like at the gym where we 507 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: were at. So we just held a little card at 508 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: the gym we're at and I just hadn't prota there. 509 00:20:44,921 --> 00:20:47,481 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the only time I've really thought along. 510 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,681 Speaker 1: Would you like to fight more at your home town 511 00:20:49,801 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: or would you did you prefer away and just go 512 00:20:51,761 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: to Sydney or no? 513 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely fight more than town. I've actually had enough. 514 00:20:56,201 --> 00:20:56,801 Speaker 3: I just remembered. 515 00:20:56,801 --> 00:21:00,161 Speaker 2: I just had another profile. They went into the Tainment Center, 516 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: no limit hold of the show down there. Yeah I 517 00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: was on that card. But besides them or two shows 518 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: like Max MAXI amount of shows that gets held down 519 00:21:08,761 --> 00:21:12,281 Speaker 2: and Wongong's probably free shows a year that it's not 520 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,041 Speaker 2: really unction. It's not really big animal one anymore. Like 521 00:21:15,921 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 2: I do all my spying work in Sydney. I come 522 00:21:18,001 --> 00:21:20,601 Speaker 2: up with Sydney frigging two three times a week for spiring, 523 00:21:20,681 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 2: like there's no one to spying more on Bloody. 524 00:21:22,961 --> 00:21:25,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is That's that's shocked me that because 525 00:21:25,521 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: I used to be a place for boxes. Yeah you 526 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 527 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,401 Speaker 2: My dad always tells me stories like even the gym 528 00:21:31,521 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: when it was hit nine ten pros. Yeah, they had 529 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,801 Speaker 2: pretty big names. Like there was a lot of gyms down, 530 00:21:37,801 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 2: a lot of the boxes from Sydney would go down 531 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,241 Speaker 2: for just trainer. Now, if you're from Longo, you have 532 00:21:42,281 --> 00:21:44,601 Speaker 2: to come to Sydney to get the work in. Spiring's 533 00:21:44,801 --> 00:21:46,601 Speaker 2: snowing down Sydney, Wongong otherwise. 534 00:21:47,041 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: Wow, So tell me that, what's your plan for the 535 00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:50,161 Speaker 1: next five years? 536 00:21:50,201 --> 00:21:50,241 Speaker 2: What? 537 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: What? 538 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: What's what's the plan for you? 539 00:21:53,041 --> 00:21:56,681 Speaker 2: To keep training hard, hopefully keep the winds happening, get 540 00:21:56,761 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: a couple more titles my next fights and next month, 541 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: so I'll be defending the title of this one title 542 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 2: of you've got at the moment, I've got the new 543 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,761 Speaker 2: South Wales water work time all yep. And then last 544 00:22:06,801 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: fight I went up weight division so it's super waterer yep. 545 00:22:09,321 --> 00:22:12,761 Speaker 2: And I got the WBC Osculasian silver title yep. So 546 00:22:12,961 --> 00:22:15,001 Speaker 2: we're going to go for the gold title of that, 547 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,561 Speaker 2: the gold version of that, so the gold Musculasion. But 548 00:22:18,241 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: the guy on fight and he hasn't fought in a 549 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:23,961 Speaker 2: few years. He's from England, so he wasn't eligible to 550 00:22:24,041 --> 00:22:25,961 Speaker 2: fight for the gold. So I'm just going to defend 551 00:22:26,001 --> 00:22:29,001 Speaker 2: my silver, get the win and then probably chase the 552 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,001 Speaker 2: gold maybe if not the different title next fight, and 553 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: then just keep slowly getting the wins, slowly wiping out 554 00:22:35,241 --> 00:22:37,001 Speaker 2: everyone in my weight division in Australia. 555 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,041 Speaker 3: Then move overseas and keep building. 556 00:22:39,321 --> 00:22:42,681 Speaker 1: If you if you could have three boxers now, name 557 00:22:42,721 --> 00:22:44,321 Speaker 1: three boxes that you would love to have a fight 558 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,921 Speaker 1: with right now. If you could have anybody in the world, 559 00:22:47,001 --> 00:22:48,801 Speaker 1: in ever, anyone in the world, who would you want 560 00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:52,241 Speaker 1: to fight. It's three top, the three top, Yeah, the 561 00:22:52,321 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: three top would be my weight division. You wouldn't be 562 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,801 Speaker 1: intimidated in any way. You don't look like you get 563 00:22:57,801 --> 00:23:01,201 Speaker 1: intimidated by anything. Like you look very stone cold. Where 564 00:23:01,201 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: you know what. 565 00:23:02,241 --> 00:23:05,881 Speaker 2: You've got to do, self belief and if you live 566 00:23:05,921 --> 00:23:08,041 Speaker 2: the last style and with the sport, then there's no 567 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: reason you should get yourself like Yeah, I put it. 568 00:23:10,961 --> 00:23:13,201 Speaker 2: I train twice a day every day, I eat clean, 569 00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: I do everything right now. So I'd be happy to 570 00:23:16,961 --> 00:23:19,041 Speaker 2: go in the ring with anyone. So anytime my dad 571 00:23:19,201 --> 00:23:22,321 Speaker 2: or my manager Jim Combosas offered me a fighter to say, 572 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: if you want me to fight them, if fight him 573 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 2: like he's are the ones making the moves on doing fighting. 574 00:23:28,441 --> 00:23:32,801 Speaker 1: How could boxes nowadays make it better? As a boxer's 575 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: like to make it as a boxer. It's very hard. 576 00:23:35,321 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: So what what's your advice to someone now who's coming 577 00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:41,321 Speaker 1: up through the ranks as I'm amateur and want to 578 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,001 Speaker 1: do it. Would you say go for it? Is it 579 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: worth it? 580 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:44,761 Speaker 3: Is it? 581 00:23:44,961 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: Or is there things that you you'd say give advice to, 582 00:23:48,201 --> 00:23:50,041 Speaker 1: you know coming through to want to be someone like 583 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,521 Speaker 1: you or to be a world champion themselves, because it's 584 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,241 Speaker 1: with it being so hard now with Australia. 585 00:23:54,281 --> 00:23:57,521 Speaker 2: No, definitely go for it, chasing James and fight the best. 586 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,961 Speaker 2: That's how you become the best. You can fight the best. 587 00:24:00,001 --> 00:24:01,521 Speaker 2: So yeah, if you want to be the best, you 588 00:24:01,561 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: have to fight the best, beat them, and that's the 589 00:24:03,681 --> 00:24:06,801 Speaker 2: only way to the top. Up at everyone you look 590 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,521 Speaker 2: up to, he thinks better than you. You fight and 591 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,801 Speaker 2: beat them and keep clear climbing your way to the top, 592 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,681 Speaker 2: keep pushing. Do you get a lot of support still 593 00:24:14,721 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: from your friends? Do they still come to your friends. 594 00:24:17,801 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: I've got massive spport from my friends. Yeah, I've got 595 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,161 Speaker 2: like I'm like the hood star. I'm like the hood 596 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: star out of the friend group. Like all them, they 597 00:24:26,481 --> 00:24:28,761 Speaker 2: don't really have a big goal set yet they just 598 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,961 Speaker 2: work every night and they just worked every day to 599 00:24:31,041 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: day job, better on the weekend party, Like they don't 600 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,201 Speaker 2: really have enohing they're chasing or they've found they've loved yet, 601 00:24:36,241 --> 00:24:37,481 Speaker 2: So do you ever look. 602 00:24:37,441 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: Back and go and think how far you've come from 603 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: where you. 604 00:24:41,561 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: And that's that's freaking like all my dad's advice is 605 00:24:44,561 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: always given me throughout my whole life. So it's all 606 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: because of him and my just determination to become who 607 00:24:50,961 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: I want to be. And my partner, that's she's helped 608 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: me a lot as well. So I've been to her 609 00:24:56,281 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: for like three or four years. She's only like paid 610 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,281 Speaker 2: a big pardon getting me out stop partying and that 611 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:01,961 Speaker 2: stuff as well. 612 00:25:02,521 --> 00:25:05,001 Speaker 3: And when I had my kid, just gave me another reason. 613 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 3: The poll made in a bit too. 614 00:25:06,961 --> 00:25:08,881 Speaker 1: What could she would you want to go to if 615 00:25:08,921 --> 00:25:10,601 Speaker 1: you had to go overseas with a b in UK 616 00:25:10,761 --> 00:25:13,081 Speaker 1: or America America? America? 617 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,641 Speaker 2: I would want to do that. All the big fights 618 00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: happened in America, so you want to go over there 619 00:25:17,241 --> 00:25:20,001 Speaker 2: in America. But I love the fighting like Dubai or 620 00:25:20,441 --> 00:25:21,241 Speaker 2: one of them gone. 621 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: Strange because everyone started to go to the buy now 622 00:25:23,041 --> 00:25:25,041 Speaker 1: for the boxing now, and that's it's changed from America. 623 00:25:26,041 --> 00:25:28,001 Speaker 2: I still think all the top big fights are in 624 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,561 Speaker 2: America and gym's and all the big names they come 625 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,041 Speaker 2: from America. 626 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:31,761 Speaker 3: You have to go over there. 627 00:25:31,801 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: But if I was going to name a place I 628 00:25:33,921 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: would love to fight one day, it was Yeah, definitely 629 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: the boy I would want to go over there and 630 00:25:37,561 --> 00:25:41,001 Speaker 2: on those like the city and starting to take over boxing. 631 00:25:41,761 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: Any regrets in. 632 00:25:44,521 --> 00:25:47,761 Speaker 2: Probably just partying that throughout damages, Like I look back 633 00:25:47,761 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: and think if I didn't party throughout Damages, and I 634 00:25:50,961 --> 00:25:52,761 Speaker 2: probably would have been even more better than what I 635 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: am today. I'm still young, still not going to affect 636 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 2: my future. But do you think when you did party 637 00:25:59,441 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: and you did take them drugs that that was that 638 00:26:01,521 --> 00:26:03,761 Speaker 2: a release? Do you think that was a release from 639 00:26:03,801 --> 00:26:07,321 Speaker 2: you just hanging around the wrong crowd and just growing 640 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: up in them areas? It's just the normal everyone your 641 00:26:09,721 --> 00:26:11,441 Speaker 2: age party and every way. 642 00:26:11,481 --> 00:26:13,761 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll put it this way. You know when 643 00:26:14,201 --> 00:26:15,801 Speaker 1: they were still in cars and you didn't want to 644 00:26:15,801 --> 00:26:17,521 Speaker 1: get in that car because you knew that you couldn't 645 00:26:17,561 --> 00:26:20,321 Speaker 1: get in that car. Yeah, But when they're partying with 646 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,281 Speaker 1: the drugs and the alcohol, how come you couldn't say 647 00:26:23,321 --> 00:26:25,241 Speaker 1: no to that? Do you think because that's not really, 648 00:26:25,441 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything. Well, you are with the drugs, 649 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,001 Speaker 1: you're doing something to leave. But the thing is, I'm 650 00:26:30,041 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: not going to get cold with driving a car. Stolen 651 00:26:31,761 --> 00:26:33,561 Speaker 1: cars a big difference, you know what I mean. 652 00:26:34,241 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know. 653 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,001 Speaker 2: Probably the fear of missing out or thinking people thinking 654 00:26:40,041 --> 00:26:40,961 Speaker 2: you're not cool enough or what. 655 00:26:41,281 --> 00:26:42,521 Speaker 1: How did the train when you were on that when 656 00:26:42,521 --> 00:26:43,521 Speaker 1: you were Yeah. 657 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,121 Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, I would always, but you couldn't tell really 658 00:26:46,201 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: amateurs because you only fight three two rounds or three 659 00:26:49,321 --> 00:26:52,681 Speaker 2: round so you could get away with it. But as 660 00:26:52,721 --> 00:26:54,201 Speaker 2: you go up through the ranks, you can't get away 661 00:26:54,241 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: with it, like you get frigging You only spar like 662 00:26:57,281 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: max four rounds and amateurs you don't do much hard, 663 00:27:01,201 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 2: long intensity of trained. 664 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:03,801 Speaker 3: As a professional. 665 00:27:03,921 --> 00:27:07,761 Speaker 2: You running nine ten k's a day, you're freaking sparring 666 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: ten eight rounds. You're fighting ten eight rounds like you 667 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 2: need the fitness of everything. So if you're out vapor 668 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: and smoking and frigging dawn drugs, you're gonna know shadow 669 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: are gonna gass out in one two rounds. 670 00:27:19,281 --> 00:27:22,001 Speaker 3: So you can't do it. Yeah, it's impossible. 671 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:23,321 Speaker 1: You're you're living the training. 672 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I wake up every morning, I run at 673 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,801 Speaker 2: least eight k's every morning, if not more, and then 674 00:27:30,801 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: just come home, relax and fortunate enough to be dawn boxing. 675 00:27:34,481 --> 00:27:38,241 Speaker 2: As as my job, like I'm not really making no 676 00:27:38,441 --> 00:27:41,281 Speaker 2: money as from it yet, Like I'm still sucking on 677 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,801 Speaker 2: Sandlink really really yeah, I still live in housing commission 678 00:27:45,801 --> 00:27:48,801 Speaker 2: and Sandlin, Like I'll make no money. 679 00:27:48,921 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: Really yeah, fucking hell, now that that I didn't do. 680 00:27:53,561 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't make no money in boxing. Then on 681 00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 3: two you get the shot like. 682 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so when you when you have your fight, like 683 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,521 Speaker 1: just say for we're without saying that, like the amount, 684 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,521 Speaker 1: what's the person like that fight? 685 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,321 Speaker 3: What you get for that fight at my average, at 686 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: my level now a couple of brands, that's it. 687 00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:12,561 Speaker 1: And so your fight probably what every three four months 688 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,041 Speaker 1: or something like that. 689 00:28:13,241 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably every three months, very four months. Yeah wow, 690 00:28:16,481 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: And while you're training for it, you're like obviously focusing 691 00:28:20,041 --> 00:28:21,761 Speaker 2: on the fight, training twice a day. So you can't 692 00:28:21,801 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 2: really you can, but you can't if you're going to 693 00:28:23,921 --> 00:28:25,041 Speaker 2: do it, probably you can't really work. 694 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: You can't really because if you have a full time job, 695 00:28:27,801 --> 00:28:29,561 Speaker 1: it's then it starts to train to what you're doing. 696 00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:33,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, so sponsors. I've got a few sponsors. Part I've 697 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: got no financial sponsorship. 698 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: They just want to give you. 699 00:28:35,961 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 3: So you need to try to get correct. 700 00:28:37,441 --> 00:28:39,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you need to build your name up 701 00:28:39,041 --> 00:28:41,921 Speaker 2: and try and get the financial sponsor to so they 702 00:28:41,961 --> 00:28:46,761 Speaker 2: basically pay to train. Yeah, before at the moment, like 703 00:28:46,881 --> 00:28:48,841 Speaker 2: trying to get a financial sponsor, trying to get someone 704 00:28:48,881 --> 00:28:49,681 Speaker 2: to jump on board to. 705 00:28:50,401 --> 00:28:52,881 Speaker 3: Help out and make it a bit easier. This is 706 00:28:53,321 --> 00:28:56,281 Speaker 3: what I mean. It's just two weeks. 707 00:28:57,721 --> 00:29:00,481 Speaker 1: That's fucked. That's what I mean. Like I don't get it, 708 00:29:00,601 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: Like this is why we you know, you look at 709 00:29:02,521 --> 00:29:04,841 Speaker 1: other countries the way we they bring through all these 710 00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:08,521 Speaker 1: good boxes and even other sports people and in Australia 711 00:29:08,601 --> 00:29:10,041 Speaker 1: we just don't get back to. 712 00:29:10,121 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: The sports I've heard of other countries. 713 00:29:12,561 --> 00:29:14,841 Speaker 2: Like you get paid even as amateur, you get paid 714 00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:17,481 Speaker 2: to fight amateur, and then you even get more in 715 00:29:17,521 --> 00:29:20,401 Speaker 2: your pro Like in Australia you get bare minimum and 716 00:29:20,441 --> 00:29:22,801 Speaker 2: you think you're fighting for nothing. Basically, do you get 717 00:29:22,841 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: that hope from one day you get that shot and 718 00:29:24,481 --> 00:29:25,281 Speaker 2: then it'll be all worth it? 719 00:29:25,521 --> 00:29:27,561 Speaker 1: Does that play a big fact on you when you're 720 00:29:27,561 --> 00:29:29,361 Speaker 1: when you're trying to train and that with with with 721 00:29:29,481 --> 00:29:32,721 Speaker 1: the stress of everything or try e gives me more 722 00:29:32,801 --> 00:29:35,721 Speaker 1: drive to to try and keep when the hopefully one day, 723 00:29:35,841 --> 00:29:38,361 Speaker 1: Like all my whole life, I've always told people like 724 00:29:38,601 --> 00:29:40,481 Speaker 1: when I make it, I'm going to buy this house, 725 00:29:40,561 --> 00:29:41,841 Speaker 1: or when I make them want to buy this car, 726 00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:44,081 Speaker 1: like like it's not if it's when I make it. 727 00:29:44,321 --> 00:29:45,961 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's always been in my head. 728 00:29:46,761 --> 00:29:48,241 Speaker 2: I know I'm going to make it one day if 729 00:29:48,561 --> 00:29:51,361 Speaker 2: for the hard work and all the skills I've got, 730 00:29:51,601 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: just just going to stay on track basically not stuff up. 731 00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:57,161 Speaker 1: Wow, well you know what, I take my hands off 732 00:29:57,201 --> 00:29:58,681 Speaker 1: to your bro, because I actually didn't know that. I 733 00:29:58,761 --> 00:30:00,641 Speaker 1: actually thought you know, you were getting decent from what 734 00:30:00,881 --> 00:30:05,321 Speaker 1: you're doing that's struggling to every day. Jesus, just ride 735 00:30:05,321 --> 00:30:09,121 Speaker 1: yourself in one word, then fuck me, I've got you 736 00:30:09,281 --> 00:30:15,281 Speaker 1: now said after that, Jesus, I don't know, determined, determined, 737 00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:18,641 Speaker 1: I'd say your fucking survivor bro, like like fucking hell. 738 00:30:19,361 --> 00:30:22,401 Speaker 2: Yea even like but even like the general public and 739 00:30:22,841 --> 00:30:26,321 Speaker 2: like everyone everyone thinks you make money, Like even all 740 00:30:26,361 --> 00:30:28,721 Speaker 2: my friends they see me fight on TV or semi 741 00:30:28,801 --> 00:30:31,841 Speaker 2: fine staying sports and that they think he's made it. 742 00:30:31,921 --> 00:30:34,561 Speaker 2: He's making he's making They all think I'll make the 743 00:30:34,641 --> 00:30:36,561 Speaker 2: money rarely as you're making nothing. 744 00:30:37,601 --> 00:30:41,881 Speaker 1: Wow, fucking comes to fucking get out there and help 745 00:30:41,961 --> 00:30:42,241 Speaker 1: you out. 746 00:30:42,561 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: Like I'm sponsored by like a few good like the commercial, Poking, 747 00:30:46,241 --> 00:30:50,361 Speaker 2: the pub and Mads though, and I've got a few sponsors, 748 00:30:50,401 --> 00:30:54,001 Speaker 2: but they only just like provide like my training gear 749 00:30:54,121 --> 00:30:56,041 Speaker 2: or yea by tables at my fights. 750 00:30:56,121 --> 00:30:59,121 Speaker 3: Now correct, I don't have a financial sponsor just yet. 751 00:30:59,361 --> 00:31:01,401 Speaker 1: Well, you know what I think, I take my at 752 00:31:01,481 --> 00:31:03,961 Speaker 1: off to you because now that's just made it a 753 00:31:04,081 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: totally different story, you know what I mean. Like and 754 00:31:06,401 --> 00:31:08,401 Speaker 1: as I said, like, I'm not saying that you know, 755 00:31:08,521 --> 00:31:11,481 Speaker 1: you look like you know, you're fucking making it like 756 00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:13,961 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. But the thing is to say that you're 757 00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: unsensing and you're doing what you're doing it that's unrecking believable, bro, 758 00:31:17,921 --> 00:31:18,161 Speaker 1: you know what. 759 00:31:18,161 --> 00:31:20,401 Speaker 2: I mean, A lot of people was they don't know that, 760 00:31:20,641 --> 00:31:23,281 Speaker 2: or wouldn't I wouldn't expect that, like to think or 761 00:31:23,801 --> 00:31:25,881 Speaker 2: he's like a pretty known sports star in Australia. 762 00:31:25,921 --> 00:31:29,201 Speaker 3: He's on some good money. He lives his comfortable life. 763 00:31:29,241 --> 00:31:31,761 Speaker 3: But the week living not telling. 764 00:31:31,841 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's sad when I when I hear 765 00:31:34,321 --> 00:31:36,001 Speaker 1: you say that, because what you're trying to do and 766 00:31:36,081 --> 00:31:39,881 Speaker 1: achieve and and you're not getting litually nothing from it, 767 00:31:40,041 --> 00:31:42,001 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yet you know you're you're 768 00:31:42,081 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: you're making a name for Australia and yourself. But fuck, bro, 769 00:31:45,601 --> 00:31:48,281 Speaker 1: that's that's you. You know what I want to I 770 00:31:48,361 --> 00:31:50,281 Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming on and sharing your story, bro, 771 00:31:50,401 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: and I wish you the best of look in the future. 772 00:31:53,601 --> 00:31:55,401 Speaker 1: And I wish you the best look in the future, bro, 773 00:31:55,601 --> 00:31:57,881 Speaker 1: And I'll promote you as much as I can meant 774 00:31:57,921 --> 00:31:59,401 Speaker 1: to get you out there. That's what. 775 00:32:00,241 --> 00:32:02,561 Speaker 3: Like, I hate coming on speaking in front of the camera. 776 00:32:04,041 --> 00:32:06,281 Speaker 1: That's when I see you look that you sounded nervous. 777 00:32:08,001 --> 00:32:09,001 Speaker 3: I hate this sort of stuff. 778 00:32:09,041 --> 00:32:10,641 Speaker 2: Like even when my sponsors come to my gym and 779 00:32:10,801 --> 00:32:12,641 Speaker 2: feel like content and want me to say is that, 780 00:32:12,881 --> 00:32:14,921 Speaker 2: Like I freak out. I'd rather a freaking fight ten 781 00:32:15,041 --> 00:32:16,841 Speaker 2: rounds and I freaking say five minute thing on the camera. 782 00:32:17,001 --> 00:32:19,601 Speaker 3: But I to get you out there, bro, That's why 783 00:32:19,601 --> 00:32:20,161 Speaker 3: I wanted to come on. 784 00:32:20,241 --> 00:32:22,441 Speaker 2: You. Just try to spread my name a bit, try 785 00:32:23,201 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: spread my story and tell the truth what I actually am. 786 00:32:26,201 --> 00:32:29,121 Speaker 3: Like I'm not no big sports starting different than anyone else. 787 00:32:29,161 --> 00:32:31,121 Speaker 2: I'm still living in the freaking still live in the 788 00:32:31,121 --> 00:32:33,841 Speaker 2: House Commissions and still like surviving and like everyone else 789 00:32:33,881 --> 00:32:35,561 Speaker 2: out there, so nothing different. 790 00:32:36,401 --> 00:32:38,041 Speaker 3: Thank you, gir, Thank you for having me.