WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 18 February 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:06.560 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray live can 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.119 I good evening, Welcome to the man Cave. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.600 So much to get to tonight, including another Green who 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.480 apparently has such a problem with the Australian flag they're not. 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.080 Interested in handing them out. And members of the public. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:17.720 I'll explain more of that in a second. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.480 How you can join us next week for the first 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.480 of our twenty twenty five election pub tests. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.400 This is as many normal polatbilla in a room as possible. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.920 Asking whatever they want to of candidates in key electorates, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.159 and Joe Hildebrand, Christ and Abrams are here for a 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.839 no muck and around conversation about everything to do from 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.839 hate speech laws to kids who don't understand how a 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.879 bill becomes a law. That will all make sense in 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.800 a moment or two his time. Now, yes, of course 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.760 I'll get to interest rates, but you've heard me and 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.040 my opinion on how little the actual effect is going 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.800 to be. So let me focus on something else, which 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.959 is the Prime Minister and the tactics under which he 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.680 is trying to lie his way to a second term. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.560 Now we know he lied his way to his first 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.680 term two hundred and seventy five dollars that they were 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:07.040 going to save people on power bills. That was apparently 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.120 going to happen. It didn't happen. They were going to 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.600 lower the cost of inflation. Not going to happen. But 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.240 as you know, this medi scare business and I'm pleased 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:16.640 others are starting to talk about it. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.640 But we were onto this last week. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:24.199 It's worth talking about twenty fourteen Peter Dutton the full context. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.080 So the government is determined to make sure that Medicare 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.080 is sustainable. We are determined to send a price signal 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.760 so that we can move away from the view that 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.199 everything can be for free in health in this country 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:36.959 because it can't be. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.080 We're very clear about this. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.360 Medicare is dead if we can't make it sustainable today. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.040 But we are absolutely determined to make Medicare sustainable. So 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.800 the Labor Party can pretend to the Australian public that 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.320 things are for free. They can't be for free. We 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.160 have to pay for a world class medical system. We 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.040 will negotiate with the Senators. We are pragmatic about the 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.120 approaches that might be available to us, but we will 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.440 make Medicare sustainable. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.079 Now all of that gets well Frankenstein by the Labor 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.160 Party into this. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.480 We're very clear about this. Medicare is dead. They can't 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.600 be for free. We have to pay for a world 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.560 class medical system. We are determined to send a price 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.520 signal so that we can move away from the view 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.680 that everything can be for free in health in this 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:25.959 country because it can't. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.960 Be authorized by p Erickson alp camera. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.040 Now, the editing of that is so bad that I 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.480 am surprised there's not a star wipe in the middle 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.560 of it. It was like somebody editing on an old 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.880 JVC camcorter back in the eighties. It's about as obvious 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.400 as it seems, and it is about as subtle as 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.560 the sledgehammer that Labor is now using as the reason 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.000 to scare people about voting for the Coalition after the 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:55.400 three years of dysfunction and terrible decisions which this government 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:55.880 has made. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.600 Go ahead, Dan, you can trust me, like us, that's 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.640 what will happen to medicare. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.520 Peter Dutton and the Liberals. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.960 Like they don't like pass, do not like pass Seriously. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.320 Now, the reason I show you all of this again, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.120 and I know again you've seen lots of people have 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.320 start to pick this one up. It's because the Prime 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.600 Minister doubled down on it today despite the fact that 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:23.320 it has been proven by Channel two that it is 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.120 a lie, that it is a Frankenstein quote, that it 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.920 is bs. The Prime Minister, funnily enough, back on Taxpayer 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.400 Radio was asked about it today. Watch how he doesn't 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.160 really engage with the actual question, which is about, hey, 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.200 do you stand by the fake quotes that you've invented 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.400 for Peter Dutton? But this is why he says, medi 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.520 Scare two point zero is the lie that you should 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:48.080 fall for. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.160 You know you, is this the way we're going to 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.880 find this election? With misinformation and with with you know, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.120 ask medi scare. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.400 Well, Peter Dutton when he was a health minister, remember 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:05.280 he was voted astray. It's worse health minister by doctors, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:11.600 tried to introduce a GP tax attacks every time people 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.440 went to the doctor that would have had to have 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.320 made a payment. So abolishing bulk billing. Now, bulk billing 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.920 is at the heart of medicare. That's why we've tripled 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.280 the bulk building incentive. 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.520 So it doesn't even actually deal. After being caught red handed, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.960 let me talk about something else, someding back into the 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:30.599 history books. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.440 Right, and again, I just love how selective all of 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:33.800 this is. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.000 Right, if every decision that has been made in previous 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.280 governments is to be held accountable for potential and future governments, well, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.480 that of course means that the rud Gillard Rudd mess 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.559 automatically on how the policies of Albo. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:46.880 You want to play that game. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:51.120 We've got plenty of tape in our vaults here, I 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:52.440 was going to say, trying to quickly think of the 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.440 digital version, but you know we've got plenty of tape 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.919 from that time. What about the conversations about negative gearing, 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.880 What about the support that you had for the shortened 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:01.960 policies that got rejected? 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.760 Oh no, no, no, that rule doesn't apply to us. It 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.680 only applies to them. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.440 Interesting that it's taxpayer media that at least, like a 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.800 broken clock twice a day, gets something right in pushing 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:13.360 back here. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.320 I mentioned this at the start. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.200 Of the show because this sort of garbage is going 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.320 to flood the zone and unless people are willing to 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.640 push back, and I think the opposition has done not 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.360 a good enough job pushing back on the lie expecting. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.000 Everyone else to be doing the work on their behalf. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.920 This lie will continue to float. It needs to be 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.360 branded a lie. It needs to be seen as a lie. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.000 You need to be aware of the lie. So when 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.320 somebody brings it up in your social media feed, you 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.600 can post a video of what I'm saying now as 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.159 the proof and the pushback of their bs. Oh yeah, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.919 and by the way, the great champions of medicare and 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.320 bulk billing. These are stories from just the past couple 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:58.960 of weeks. In Anthony Albanese's Australia in the Financial Review, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:05.760 medical costs are bulk billing down. I fewer people access 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.960 to medicare under his government, and reporting this morning in 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.640 the Australian one hundred and fifty one electorates, every electorate 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:20.200 in the country have fewer people bulk billing when it 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:25.479 comes to their own health expenses. That's the reality under 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.240 our boat. They can say what they want, they can 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.279 pass whatever performative little motions they want to in the Parliament. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:31.760 That's their record. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.960 And if everything from the past is now the present, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.400 get ready because I'll release the floodgates and gladly so, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.040 just hold them to their own standards. Also, in the 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.680 battle between the Prime Minister and the alternative Prime Minister. Here, 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.080 let's have a look at how the majority of Australians 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.240 view the country today. The majority of people all over 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.720 the country, whether they live in the cities, the suburbs, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:03.280 the regions or the bush, well, fifty one percent of 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.840 people believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:10.040 That is up thirty four points since just after the 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.840 twenty twenty two election. The right track is down seventeen 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.960 But in the grand title of this prime ministership, thirty 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.480 four percent of people change their mind from the country 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.080 being on the right track and now believe it is 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.680 in the wrong track. The wrong track was just twenty 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.600 seven percent back in June of twenty twenty two. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.320 It is now fifty one percent. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.640 Another pole, more trouble for the Prime Minister, this time 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.640 about his own performance. The Prime Minister's performance compared to 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.480 that same pole back in twenty twenty two, his disapproval 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:47.000 number is up by thirty points, up by thirty points 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.240 to now forty eight percent. In fact, his disapproval when 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.520 he was first in the job was just eighteen percent, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:58.880 now forty eight percent. And why wouldn't Australians had that 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.640 view when we have the the lyrical gangster that is 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:02.520 this Prime Minister. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.440 Roses are red, violence of blue. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:13.800 It's Valentine's Day and we love blue polar workers. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.320 What are you gonna do it every night? It's that painful. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.200 It's the new version of dj Elbow. They lied their 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:20.840 way to a first term. I'm not going to let 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.560 them do it when it comes to a second. And 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.600 also a massive problem came from polling from left wing 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.200 organizations today, or at least the places that it turns 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.120 up in the turnbul Times. Now, the Prime Minister Grim 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.679 Jim and the Finance Minister you know, the one who 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.200 lied to the Senate about the whole you know what 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.679 way back when. They're all very proud of themselves that 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.400 they've made great, multi billion dodl of decisions because they're 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.520 totally focused on the cost of living, despite the fact 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.559 the same people made the decision to take fifteen hundred 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.199 dollars of ten million workers. That's one of the first 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.360 things they did well in the Turble Times today via 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.880 the Essential poll, pretty amazing to see about whether people 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.839 are aware or not of government policies. Now at the 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.760 very top of the one seventy seven percent of people 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.240 are aware of are the energy bill things where three 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.000 hundred dollars for a one bedroom shack their power bill 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.520 in the bush all the way through to the biggest 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.120 mansion in the most busy capital city. Then the changes 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.880 to hex. But then we start to get down to here, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.559 only fifty five percent of people. So therefore what forty 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.160 five percent of people have no idea that they received 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.559 a tax cut none. That is after all the government advertising, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:36.120 all the crowing, all the media bsing. Unbelievable because of 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:37.880 course it's too little, too late. I told you they 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.920 wouldn't notice. Think of how we had a whole conversation 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.719 about that for almost a year. Forty five percent of 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.520 people still have no idea that it happened. But apparently 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:47.880 it was a tax cump for everyone, and this was 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.880 what was going to turn around cost of living. And 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.840 only forty six percent of people even know about budget surpluses. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.960 So when they say all that southern election campaigns, it's 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.120 not connecting. And have a look at this on those 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:02.080 particular subjects. When it comes to the g gap, the 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:07.360 dark blue blokes the light blue females. When it comes 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.400 down to consecutive budget surpluses, just thirty six percent. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.280 Of women know that that has happened. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.520 Only forty five percent of women know about the tax cuts. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.160 And I thought it was the Liberal party that had 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.920 the problem with women. So how are they going to 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.560 get out of this mess? Well, they're just going to 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.640 use more of your money to try to convince you 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.080 that the decisions that they have taken that are too little, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.720 too late are apparently the things that have saved your 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.079 family budget, despite the fact that it's been blown up 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.040 for the past three years. They lied to get in 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.720 there the first time. They try to lie to keep 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.640 their jobs. Another one hundred and seventy four million dollars 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.000 is how much they have spent thus far on government advertising, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.719 specifically in and around things like two little too late 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.319 tax cuts. Now they're going to spend hundreds of thousands 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:54.880 of dollars of your money in the next little while 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.640 on Facebook adds this is in between the lies, of course, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.520 in and around when it comes to medicare. Meantime, when 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.040 it comes to Peter Dutton, I need to beld the 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.280 cat here because the people who think that they're already 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:07.920 over the line and it's all going to go their way, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.199 there are some issues here. 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:10.320 You can't ignore them. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.240 Yes, Peter Dutton's performance has changed in terms of how 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.679 people have viewed him. Back in the same metric that 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.800 had the Prime Minister through the roof, his disapproval level 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.240 was at forty four percent. It is now up to 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.400 forty five. Not a major change. His approval has changed 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.320 from thirty six to forty one. That's good, it's all 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:30.280 headed in the right direction. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:31.160 But neither of. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.880 Those, of course, have cracked the fifty. That's important. It's 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.160 why there are people running around telling the people who've 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.760 already thought, oh, look, we're going to do this mob slowly, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.120 We're definitely going to win government. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.400 They're so damned terrible. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.480 There are plenty of members of the opposition, including people 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.600 that are known to this program, that are telling their 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.720 fellow travelers, including their supporters, calm down. This is exactly 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.000 the trap that Bill Shorten fell into in twenty nineteen. Now, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.040 you and I knew that nothing was inevitable in twenty nineteen, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.880 and we knew that there was a path, and we 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.560 knew that there were more people that would end up 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.080 rejecting that opposition and reaffirming the Morrison government back in 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:11.320 twenty nineteen. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.160 Now we know that. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:14.160 There are plenty of people that are going to a 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.560 vailable for the first time, but are there enough in 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.360 enough seats. That's the asterisk we always have to have 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.520 in and around the conversation. And despite how terrible the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.280 financial circumstances have been for the past three years, it 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.440 is with no pleasure, but I still will point out 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:32.040 the fact that in news Pole there is no great 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.240 belief that if the Coalition was in power there would 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.920 be any substantial change to the financial circumstances. This is 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.280 important if cost of living is the a one issue 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.720 and Poles are telling us that only twenty four percent 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.160 of people think that inflation would have been lower under 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.000 a coalition government, and what fifty six percent of people 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.080 say that it would be same or worse. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:54.959 That's the fertile. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.400 Ground that the Labor Party is going to be able 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.439 to try to grow the seeds of their latest lies 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.960 in including that everything will be worse underdone. I don't 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.160 say it because I want you to see it. I 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.200 want you to see it because you need to know 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.480 what's actually going on. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:10.560 Now. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.400 Also, I'm trying to keep an eye not just on 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.800 the news of the day, but also what is happening 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.840 away from the traditional sources of news and the direct 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.599 messages that they are trying to put out when it 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.000 comes to social media. Again, some very big slights of 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.840 hand here from the government. Pretty good game when it 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.640 comes to the opposition, but I always believe that they 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.439 could be hitting even harder and even more direct. Good 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.120 to see today that they were talking finally, after the 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.840 months and months and months that I have been talking 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.880 about about how much money people over the past couple 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.960 of years have been spending extra on their mortgage. Good, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:46.120 now do it on social media? Taxpayer incident, they did 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.480 a little deep dive to try to work out whom 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.320 has the most engagement when it comes to their posts 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.600 on the incinet. Now not all of that engagement is positive, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.079 but who is making waves versus who is just putting 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.040 noise out into the world of social media. According to 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.480 this article, Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party significantly outperforming 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.920 Anthony Abernezi and Labour in the contest for young voters, 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.880 particularly on the Chinese surveillance at my line TikTok. As 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.679 the federal election edges closer since the beginning of last year, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.240 the Prime Minister has seen slightly higher than average interactions 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.040 on both Instagram and Facebook, which of course are the. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.960 Profiles with older voters. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.080 As I showed you before, he's got like four hundred 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.200 thousand people on his personal following, and I don't even 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.360 think maybe a little more than a quarter of that 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.840 for Peter Dutton Freemont need to be just in front 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.600 shows again how the Libs might be. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.040 Doing pretty well in all of this. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.760 I'm going to talk about some examples, talk about some tactics, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.920 and talk about some ideas about how this thing plays 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.240 out on social media because we know fewer people watch 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.960 the six PM news, fewer people go to the places 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.840 they went five ten years ago. So does that mean 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.440 that they are more open to lies or are they 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.000 more open to social media strategies that have been used 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:58.080 like people like Donald Trump and his supporters, where bash bash, bash, hit, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.360 hit hit, fight, fight fight is what helped win that election. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.680 I'll talk about it with Joe and Kristen in a 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.240 couple of minutes here on Paul Marink Live. All right, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.080 So Rates, I've been leading with this for a couple 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.960 of weeks because I wanted to get the clear air 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.160 to make my very obvious point that yes, when rates 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.120 go down. Yay, I'm paying off a house too. But 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.200 the reality is that if it is the rate sized 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.320 cut that has just happened, and one is probably not 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.800 going to happen again before the next federal election, then 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.240 there is not going to be a significant change to 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.440 how people's household budgets go. This is how the media 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.560 spun it today in terms of how much you'll save. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.400 Rates started rising in May twenty twenty two. Repayments on 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.840 a typical five hundred thousand dollars loan have jumped by 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.160 around twelve hundred and forty dollars a month. Today's cut 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.760 should save that borrow with seventy seven dollars a month. 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:53.800 Yeah, and the way you get to fourteen thousand, this 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.560 your times that by of course twelve, because it's not 0:15:55.600 --> 0:16:00.880 just there when it comes to monthly important important. Ross Greenwood, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.800 who has seen these things go up and go down, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.520 And I've got to say, after watching him a Channel nine. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.240 For years, working with him for years here at. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.960 SKY, I don't know which way Ross goes politically. So 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.640 I like that he just talks about the number and 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.680 the data. This is what he said about why do 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:20.680 not expect further interest rate cuts? Before the election, the 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.360 Australian dollar has picked up. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.400 Now, normally, if we thought there were a lot of 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.880 interest rate cuts coming from the statement of the Reserve Bank, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.640 the dollar would have fallen and fallen significantly. 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.120 But what you can see is the reaction here look 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.160 at the market has fallen. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.080 So in other words, effectively, what they're saying is that 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.840 they're now not banking on as many interest rate cuts 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.240 as previously they were. If you go and have a 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.800 look at the Australian dollar, it's actually risen since this decision, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.920 and so that again says don't bank on as many 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:49.760 interest rate cuts in the future. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:51.960 So, in the words of the front page of the 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.960 Australian newspaper, is ARBO going to be a one cut wonder? 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.200 Most likely that's the case between now and the election. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.400 And the reality is, as I have shown you many times, 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.160 and you know, if you are trying to pay off 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.520 the house you live in or the one that you 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.720 bought as an investment property, if you borrowed four hundred 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.000 thousand dollars in one year alone, you've had to pay 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.320 an extra fifteen thousand dollars. So basically the best part 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.600 of the thirty thousand dollars since this bloke became the 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.159 Prime minister twenty two or almost forty four thousand dollars 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.320 on six hundred thirty thousand, or sixty thousand on an 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:29.440 eighty thousand dollars loan, seventy thousand or maybe eighty eight thousand, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.320 depending on whether you're somebody who's had to borrow a 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.480 big chunk of change because you want to buy the house, 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.679 the dream house for the future. And to further my 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:42.439 point about the political consequences of four fifths of bugger 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.840 all that has actually happened today in terms of your 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.800 monthly or even your annual savings, that we could be 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:54.119 talking about anywhere between one and two hundred dollars a month, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.280 and that will be the saving between now and the election. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.520 That when the cumulative effect is the best part of 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:06.000 anywhere between what fourteen and eighty eight thousand dollars about 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.600 how much extra you have had to pay off your 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.920 home loan on top of what you were already paying 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.879 before this bloke became the prime minister. This is why 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.960 the political effect is something that will only exist in 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.800 the press gallery of Canberra and. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:20.760 Not in the real world. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.720 This is a conversation about inflation, but it applies to 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.720 any of the extra pricing and any of the extra 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:29.480 costs that all of us have had to go through, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.159 and that giant chunk of change that I have been 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.239 talking about when it comes to the overall cost of 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:36.920 home loans under Albanesi. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.160 For a lot of people, it's not about that. It's 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.720 about the difference between this and that. And when you 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.199 look at the difference between this and that, that's twenty percent. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.680 And I think that's the dichotomy here between these inflation 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.800 numbers where it looks normal and this which is really 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:56.840 not normal at all. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.960 Now I'm only a shortened fat bloke, so probably could 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.240 just get a giant iPad, but how could that screen. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:03.919 I'd love to be able to run around and do 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.160 graphics things like that. We will see what happens into 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:10.399 the future. But perfect example, all right, the press gallery 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.800 turns around and says, well, inflation has a two in 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:14.080 front of it, has a three in front of it. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.720 But that is a comparison of this much on top 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.320 of this much, on top of this much, on top 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.680 of this much. So Australians when it comes to cost 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.840 of living and Australians when it comes to wanting to 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.399 punish a government that in my view has not done enough, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.960 that in fact has also. Don't never forget they took 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:35.240 fifteen hundred dollars out of ten million people's tax return, 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:41.199 not once, twice, three years in a row. That is 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.439 the reality of the decisions that they have made. The 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.040 two little too late tax cuts, fourteen bucks a week, 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.600 three hundred dollars off power bills from as I said, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.879 a shack in the bush to a mansion in the city, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:56.919 that's twenty five dollars a month. And when you have 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.879 a look at using that logic from that bloke on 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.200 Sky News in the UK, have a look at this. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.560 This is the margin by which your things have cost 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.679 more since the December quarter of twenty twenty one and 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:15.240 the December quarter of last year. Health almost thirteen percent, 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:21.720 petrol almost fifteen percent, food almost seventeen percent, housing almost 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.440 eighteen percent. So good luck if everyone thinks, oh, there's 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.680 maybe one hundred bucks or two hundred dollars and somehow 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.000 everyone's going to run and go voting for elbow, because 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.160 it'll be worse under done. It's worse under this bloke. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.320 It's been worse under this bloke for three years. If 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.360 you truly care about your financial circumstances, how could anyone 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:47.240 reward these vandals with three more years in power. They 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.800 promised you two hundred and seventy five dollars on power 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.800 bills that doesn't exist. They have promised that cost of 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.800 living would be lower. Show those numbers again. They promised 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.480 cost of living would be lower under a labour government. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:06.359 But one more time, health, petrol, food, housing, up up, 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:13.479 up up, and an even bigger bill that is costing 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.680 people money has been insurance. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:17.080 Now. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.800 I know there's a lot of people who can't afford it, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:20.400 but there's lots of people who want to take out 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.040 insurance on their house, on their car, on their boat, 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.159 on all sorts of things, because you don't want it 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:26.800 to get damage, You don't want it to get stolen, 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.080 you don't want flood waters to be causing trouble, all 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.080 the rest of it. Right, Well, the insurance companies have 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.040 been making billions, billions of dollars in profit while they 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.240 spend hundreds of millions of do was on ads telling 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:39.960 us how much they love us and without them we 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:44.760 couldn't possibly survive. Here is the reality of how much 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.440 insurance has gone up under this government. Again, let's look 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.479 December twenty one, five and a half percent, eight percent, 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.879 five percent. Total insurance has gone up eighteen and a 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:01.600 half percent since December two thousand and to eat one. Oh, 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.600 but there's one interest road rise cut's going to please 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:11.120 please now the opposition later and potential prime minister is 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.240 saying that it is about time that insurance companies have 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.760 to pay out more and maybe have to pull their 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.159 head in or maybe even have to start getting split 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:23.560 because the costs are ridiculous. This is what he's had 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.080 to say in the past couple of days. 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.000 We need competition, we need depth in the insurance pool, 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:30.760 and we need to make sure that we're not being 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.600 ripped off by insurance companies. And as we've done with 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.679 the supermarkets where we have threatened vestment, if consumers are 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.120 being ripped off, similarly in the insurance market, we will 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.760 intervene to make sure that consumers get a fair go 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.159 because at the moment, people are paying too much for 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.520 their insurance and what's resulting is that people aren't taking 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:51.359 out insurance. 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.399 So that's a person who's living in the real world. 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.720 That's a person who is talking to people in the 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.439 real world about the costs that are on top on 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.720 top of on top of on top of on top 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.800 of on top of everything else. And we're working on 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:07.280 something that will bring you a little bit later in 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.320 the week. But some of these insurance companies in and 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.160 around the floods that we've been talking about in North Queensland, 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.439 you've got forty eight hours to pull your head in 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.399 because they're about to copy it right between the eyes. 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:21.080 We've got first hand examples about how these people are 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:21.880 being ripped off. 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:23.320 They thought they had the. 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.879 Right policies, they were told they had everything in place, 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.840 and now oh sorry, we can't possibly play out it's 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.359 bs it's not acceptable. And good on Peter Dutton for 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.880 at least acknowledging this is a major issue now away 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.000 from politics, but something that very much is about the 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.280 future of our country. That's our kids and that's what 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.359 they learn in school. It's also about what they know 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.040 about some of the basics that we used to call 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.080 civics way back when how does a bill become a law, 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.240 what's the difference between local and federal government, etc. 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:51.760 Etc. 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:58.000 Well, today seven out of ten high school students fail 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:03.520 civics and citizenship teasts. That is a disgrace. It is 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.240 a disgrace of our education system, to be honest. It's 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:10.399 also a disgrace of many of the families that don't 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:11.080 try to. 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.600 Talk about basics like this. But have a look. 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.200 The number of kids who are being able to pass 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.439 a civic or citizenship test in year six is forty 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:26.399 three percent year six forty three percent. Obviously they're not 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.800 getting into the absolute finite things about you know, how 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:30.560 the Senate. 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:32.560 Works, but that's the basics high school. 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.680 It's even worse by year ten they get dumber on 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:40.280 this stuff. Forty six percent falls to twenty eight percent 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:41.040 by year ten. 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:42.080 What's going on? 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.120 And then have a look at this percentages of trust 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:50.639 in civic institutions. Only seventy eight percent of kids in 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:56.040 year six trust the parliament. Why would they not have 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.280 a higher number than that? What crap are they being 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:03.240 fed in terms of the new sources that are either 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.760 taxpayer created and jeez, that's a deep dive. I'd love 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.480 to do one day some of the sort of kid 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.760 focused stuff or what are they. 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:10.320 Learning at home? 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:16.240 Faith in among other things, the media forty seven percent 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.119 had to fifty three percent of kids in year six 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.919 have an opinion, let alone a negative one about sources 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.439 of information ridiculous and. 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:28.400 Year ten. 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.560 That falls from forty seven percent to thirty three percent. 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.680 Why because of their lefty garbage that shove down their 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:39.840 throats as media luteracy. 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.679 Classes that they most often are doing in space of 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:44.640 a proper education. 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:47.560 Now I get it. 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.720 There's plenty of things, and plenty of media outlets, and 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.320 plenty of people in the media who, yes, can create 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.960 scenarios where because you have a look at their record 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:57.760 all the rest of it that you have to think twice. 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.360 But the idea that that is their view you all 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.640 away from the media their parents watch all the way 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.720 through to the media that their parents would never engage with. 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.879 That's just the media part of things. But more importantly, 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.560 how does a bill become a law? What's the difference 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:19.800 between state, federal, and local government? That numbers are appalling. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.040 Am I suggesting that we should spend the full term 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:25.320 talking about these things? 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:25.480 No? 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:27.680 But should we be thinking very. 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.399 Seriously about the types of information they're learning at school? 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.040 And it's our job as parents and grandparents to double 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:37.320 check some of this stuff because those numbers, they are 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.960 just ludicrous, which brings. 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.159 Me to the beautiful state of Victoria. Now, I love Victoria. 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:44.880 I love Victorians, but I hate their government. 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.560 Now there's a brand new treasurer after the former one 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:52.160 almost well of course, ran away after running the joint 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:56.240 into the ground, almost labor losing its seat. And guess 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:59.560 what the new one is saying, there's a chance they're 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.320 still going to keep putting up taxes because the former 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.320 one ran the joint into the ground. 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.560 So not ruing the new taxes in your Furst bathroom. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.960 I'm not ruling anything or anything out, but I want 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.800 to ensure that Victorians know that I understand how tough 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:15.200 it is. 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.440 Hang on, can we play that again? Does she have 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.200 the K or the G at the end of the word? 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:20.880 Roll it again? 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.840 So not ruing the new taxes in your Furst bathroom. 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.399 I'm not ruling anything or anything out, but I want. 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.880 To ensure that Victorians know that I understand how. 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:31.480 Tough it is. 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:41.880 Seriously, seriously, anyway, how are they trying to save money 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.280 in the Victorian government? Well three outw You've got their 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.320 rumor thing each and every morning, and it was confirmed. 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:49.200 What one of the rumors were. 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.280 This is how it played out on three OUW Breakfast 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.560 where they are trying to save money by getting the 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.960 Shine of Remembrance to pay for the police officers to 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:01.200 be the guard during the weekly playing of the Last Post. 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:05.240 They are sending a bill to the Shrine of Remembrance 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.240 for the police officers to be part of the Last 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.240 Post ceremony every week. 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:16.080 We received this yesterday from the Shrine CEO, Dean Lee Quote. 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.280 The Shrine Sunday Last Post service is funded by the 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.639 Victorian government. The service includes a piper and bugler and 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.639 ceremonial elements performed by the Shrine Guard. The Shrine Guard 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:34.040 are members of Victoria Police's Protective Services Unit. Their involvement 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:38.000 in the service is provided as in kind support paid 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:42.000 for by Victoria Police. The Shrine has been advised by 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:46.320 Victoria Police that it is unable to continue to pay 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.680 for the Shrine Guard's participation in the Last Post service 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:52.840 beyond Anzac Day. 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:59.280 Yeah, that's the way they are saving money in Victoria. Sure, 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.920 there's money for pill testing so you can double check 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.360 that your illicit and illegal drugs won't kill you. They've 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.080 got extra money for that. They've got money up the 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.160 wazoo for all sorts of garbage. 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:10.720 But no, no, no, no. 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.520 Where we draw the line. 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.160 Is when police officers are part of a formal guard 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:21.960 at the Shrine of Remembrance. And this is the economic genius, 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.200 the one who doesn't know how do we even say 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:27.760 words proper and stuff. 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.440 So not ruling out in any taxes anything. 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.040 In your first backroom, I'm not ruling anything or anything out, 0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:34.640 but I want. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:38.120 To ensure that Victorians know that I understand how. 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:38.760 Tough it is. 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:45.000 These people. Plenty more after the break, let's get straight 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.800 into it. And then an interesting story again about a 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.960 green who's not all that hot on the Australian flag 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:51.320 and she doesn't want you to be either. 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:58.440 Thanks so much. All right, thank you very much for 0:29:58.480 --> 0:29:59.360 what you do. Not forget. 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.560 In the next couple we are going to have the 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.880 Anti Semitism summit. You'll be able to see all the 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.320 details here are on air online as well. That of course, 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.760 is taking place on Thursday, so please pay attention to 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.360 all of that in your socials and certainly here on air. 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:15.000 Now. 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.960 Also, if you would like to join us for the 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.160 first pub test of the year, that one is going 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.720 to be in Bateman's Bay. The seat of Gilmore, and 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.960 what we want is as many people as possible in 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:28.800 the room because we want locals asking questions of the candidates. Now, 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.440 I'll be upfront laborer, probably an empty seat. The Greens 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.400 may well be an empty seat, but it's there if 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.520 they want it. Yes, I'll have my opinion. But anyone 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.240 who's watched these things over multiple elections knows it's not 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.680 me asking the questions. Okay, So if you would like 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:43.640 to join us, and you can get to Bateman's Bay 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.280 for that show next Monday, and you would like a 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:51.160 question of the candidates, we've got a couple locked in 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.800 so that it'll be quite interesting. The open invitation there 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.200 to everyone else to join. But pubtest it's gonews dot 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.560 com do Au. We've got a very full room for 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.200 the ourtown. If you couldn't get into that, come to 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:03.680 the pub test and if you've got a question too, 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.280 we look forward to all of that, all right. Christin 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.800 Abrams is of course with the Libertarians in Victoria. She 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.600 joins us now in Melbourne. And the wonderful man who, 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:13.440 of course you know. 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.920 Just is all that he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.200 little good event. Right track, wrong track. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.720 We'll get to that in the moment or two time 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.280 is none other than Joe Hildebrands. So some huge stories 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.960 in and around hate laws. New so Wales is going 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.280 to introduce ones that have penalties of serious time in 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:35.520 jail or very significant fines. Victoria is going to put 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:39.040 things in place where previously political debate. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.640 Was not going to be included in those laws. That 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.640 will now not be the case. 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.520 So I want to talk about these because they're going 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.960 to probably end up as the law of the land. 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.520 Christ Then I'm going to start with you, because Victoria 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.280 seems to be the one that is going to pounce on, surprise, surprise, 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.320 the ones that are going to limit speech. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.080 What's your sense of these things. 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.200 My argument around all of this stuff is that it's 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.280 dangerous to play with it, but they're going to. 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.960 It's definitely dangerous to play with it, Paul. It's dangerous 0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.120 to have every you know, an issue come up and 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.360 try and legislate every single issue when we should be 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.400 looking at the root cause. And the root cause is 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.959 a lack of leadership in Victoria and in Australia at 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.400 the moment to kind of stamp out bad behavior that's 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:32.880 going on. You can't legislate against hateful speech because it 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.520 will still exist. It will just go behind closed doors. 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:37.840 And in terms of. 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:43.920 Governments can't even ban contraband that is in jails. Governments 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:48.080 can't keep contraband in jails out of it. How could 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.000 they possibly think that they'll take away hateful speech by 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.360 legislating it. Now, About twelve months ago, I got asked 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.040 a question on your show, Paul, what I thought of 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.800 a labor candidate at the time saying the voice result 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.640 was the worst of weight privilege that she had ever seen. 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.120 And my response was, well, if she had such a 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.160 problem with weight privilege, she's more than welcome to vote 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.320 for me. Now, would all of that conversation, on all 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.760 of that debate be banned under these current laws. It's 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.120 outrageous to think that this is where Victoria is going 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.720 into an Orwellian thought police situation. 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.520 Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, look, Joe again, I 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.640 understand the issue. I'm looking forward to the something that's 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.440 coming up in a couple of days time. Right, I 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:35.160 have serious concerns about what is introduced with one hope 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.880 that ends up becoming completely weaponizable by things that are 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.600 completely unintended and no government will ever have the balls 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.880 to change wind back or put sunset provisions into. 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:49.280 This eighteen to three all over again. 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.880 Yeah, So look, the last thing you want is for 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.440 this to become a trojan horse for a sort of 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:59.840 quasi blasphemy law exact example, or a curtailing of political debate. 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.120 Quick disclaimer, my wife works for Quality Australia, which is 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:04.960 one of the groups that is. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.880 Pushing for LGBTQ and all the rest included with that 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:14.360 a slightly different view. But I think the purpose of 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:18.400 these laws and the laws in New South Wales is 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:23.560 very specifically to capture what is happening to Jewish people 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:27.040 in the community, how they are being targeted, and making 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.239 sure that police and we know that police have really 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.879 really struggled to find existing grounds, existing laws with which 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.640 to prosecute people who are doing these things. Now, yes, 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.840 you can prosecute them for vandalism, Yes you can prosecute 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.359 them for property damage, but burning someone's car because they're 0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.800 a filthy Jew and kill Israel and kill the Jews 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.640 or whatever is a bit different from just your standard 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.880 garden variety active vandalism. So so what they're trying to 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:56.879 do is to make sure that people who do these 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:58.839 things can be prosecuted. The last thing you would want, 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:00.719 and I think this is why they have not expanded 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.799 it to other groups, other cohorts. Last thing you want 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.400 is for people to be able to say, well, you 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.080 may someone hate me, you're nicked, You're going to jail. 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:12.600 So it will be very much how. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.600 These laws are enforced, and I would expect them to 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.200 be enforced in a pretty narrow way. 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.440 Well, yes, but the problem is another police commissioner, another 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.800 police minister, another attorney general, another government. Now, god forbid, 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.759 the Greens one day end up forming a government somewhere right. 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.879 That's why to me, I'd love to see much more 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:35.960 in Australia when we do things like this, and yes, 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.480 even some of the counterterrorism laws that we do what 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.640 they do in America, which is have sunset provisions which 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.359 means the law will last for two years and then 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.960 basically you have to show that it works to argue 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.359 to re implement it when you're doing these things. 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.239 But the homeland security stuff. 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.520 Correct, that's where I'm way more to the libertarian end 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.960 of things, which I know police is at Kristen and 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.959 the people in her life. But let's talk here about 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:04.799 again a scenario where these laws, I think they are 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:09.360 not debated as publicly as they should be, and the 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.600 detail of what is in and out and all of 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.320 that isn't given really much coverage because it's not like 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.239 anyone's going to sit there on the six pm news 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.560 and actually read the bill out loud from beginning to end. 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.000 We've got to hope that there are people in the 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.480 Upper House, like David Lindbrick in Victoria Kristen that are 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.359 going to be able to say, hey, well paragraph two 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.759 on page three is pretty weird. But that's a lot 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.759 of pressure on just a couple of individuals when if 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.680 the drum beat is must pass and if you somehow 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.480 oppose then your pro hate it's going to be very difficult. 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.239 They have a nuanced discussion here. 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:53.720 Yeah, So David is definitely championing this and also showing 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.319 how this will probably be used against the Greens more 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.840 so than anyone, and that the Greens would be against 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.759 this legislation. Also, David is appealing to anyone that he 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:08.759 can to vote against this legislation. In terms of what 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:11.080 Labor's doing at the moment, they are also pushing the 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.920 Libs to vote for this because you know, most of 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.319 it is good, even though some of it is very 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.000 poorly written. But I always kind of think back to 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:25.759 the hypocrisy of Labor when they voted down the bill 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.640 against the Frankston serial killer getting out of jail, just 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:30.879 because the Liberals put it up, even though the bill 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.560 was good and the book bill was solid. So the 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.279 hypocrisy there to label the Liberal Party or anyone else being, 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.160 you know, for hate speech by them not voting for 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:43.960 a poorly formed bill is Yeah, it's I guess it's 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:44.960 on brand. 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.279 For Labor, to be honest, Joe. 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.440 The Frankenstein quote they're trying to push around about Peter 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.359 Dutton and medicare all right, and I'm sure that they 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:55.760 have many different versions. 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.880 But if the hook on which. 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:01.399 They are going to hang their heat is that Constein quote, Yep, 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:02.640 that's ridiculous. 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:03.360 Yeah it is. 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.239 Look, I didn't like meny scare the first time it 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.839 came round, and I don't like it much this time either. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.560 I think, if that's the best weapon that Labor, I 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.080 can see what they're trying to do. But if that's 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.440 the best weapon they have, you know, the truth is 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.360 that Labour has actually done some pretty good stuff. I 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.879 know that's you know, anathemata what a lot of people 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.080 think listening to this, But you know, they could talk 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:26.840 about delivering tax cuts for everyone. 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.360 They could talk about delivering bill relief. They could talk about. 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.680 Bringing inflation down to within two to three percent, which 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:33.880 is why we've got a rate cut today. We'd talk 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.440 about more rate cuts to come, talk about you know, 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.719 the two budget surpluses and the one that we're not 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.600 going to have a surplus or a deficit because they've 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:41.960 got to go to. 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:43.359 An election before that has to happen. 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.320 You know, the bill relief whatever you know, like and 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:48.719 again you can you can argue the toss over whether 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.919 these measures are good or whether they're inflationy or whatever. 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:52.200 My point is, if talk. 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:55.719 About the good stuff that you're doing instead of just 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:01.520 raising pretty spurious claims against Peter Dutton because I think 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.680 sooner or like, it might seem smart now, but it 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.480 does come back to haunt you, just like it does 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.640 when you say that, you know, Scott Morrison's fault that 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.920 the cost of living so high, I think, and I 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:16.320 know it sounds almost naive, but I guarantee in politics 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.040 you have to think about the war and not the battle. Yes, 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.440 you think you can win this little battle here by 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:22.640 jagging this little. 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:23.359 Kind of number here. 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.839 Well, I mean literally look at war and not having 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.200 a record on which too well, and obviously two thousand 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.480 and four John Coward couldn't have had a bigger win 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.600 won Senate right one party having both because of course 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.439 keeping interest rates low, meaning as soon as something changed, bang, 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.440 So again, something that might work this week is going 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.200 to be a massive problem for the next couple of 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.440 years to come. Let's talk about the election on the internet, 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.400 and let's talk about social media and about what messages 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.480 are around. So Kristen again from a minor party, this 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.680 is the way you get the message out right, which 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.040 is people are on your Facebook pages, plus you've got 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.680 all of those other socials. But the reality of a 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.319 lot people is that this is going to be their 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:08.080 source of information. So let's talk about the game. You know, 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:09.120 any lie will do. 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:16.000 Yeah, So you can see clearly what Donald Trump has 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.759 done in America with going on live podcasts and how 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:23.040 that changed the game of American politics. And it's understandable 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.440 that labor and liberal are also going to try and 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.960 have a social media game out there and you can 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.480 see that by how much they're focusing on TikTok at 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.480 the moment. It'd be interesting to see how much Liberal 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.200 has spent compared to labor, because Liberals are doing better 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:41.759 at the moment on TikTok, but that's because young people 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.960 generally are voting for labor, and so Liberal party does 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.160 have to reach those young people. However they may be 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.120 able to, so it'll be interesting to see. But I 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.400 think the minor parties use it a little bit more 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:57.759 efficiently because it's our biggest stomping ground and it's our 0:40:57.840 --> 0:40:58.440 town square. 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:03.759 Interestingly, there's a collection of people in sort of there's 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.000 the podcast world. Podcast World in Australia not as big 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:08.560 as it is in the United States in terms of 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:13.160 your capacity to go around the gatekeeper. There's lots of 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:17.120 influences and I don't know whether they are just all in, 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.040 whether they're being paid, whether there's a partner whatever, right, 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.200 but they seem to have the talking points of the 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.680 government down pat and they're starting to turn up in 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:25.560 people's feeds. 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:26.359 Joe. 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.840 What I find really effective right in social media and 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.279 you saw, you know what, You're cheering on the person 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.640 who's doing it, so say, in a Trump right, all 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.040 the people who were pro Trump, they were taking quotes 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.160 of stupid things people in the government had said, right, 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.680 stupid things of this public servant, stupid things about you know, 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.719 and then of course they had the president falling up 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.920 the stairs and the word salad all the rest of it. 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:48.160 Right. 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.160 I don't see that coming through from the Libs about 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.800 you know, reminding everyone of every little thing over the 0:41:55.840 --> 0:42:01.919 past couple of years, generally speaking, is it? Do people 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:04.600 have to be cautious here that the internet is a 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:08.439 far more left wing place in Australia than the right 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.920 wing strength that was there in America. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.719 I think the impact of social media in terms of 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:17.359 any positive impact or any sort of coherent impact, if 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.680 you like, is grossly overstated. Now I don't have all 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.360 the stats, and you know, I'm not the matrix. I 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.520 can't tell you every single detail, but you know that 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.880 I've just been locked out of my Instagram account incidentally, right, 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:31.719 I just got hacked up for that, so I'm very 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.359 happy to be liberated from that as well. 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.120 I'm now completely social media free. Never felt better. 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:37.680 If I want to know what's going on in the world, 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:40.120 I asked my barber and he says people want change. 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.120 And I said, does that mean a change of government 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.239 or that they want the government to change what it's doing? 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.520 And he goes, mate, they just want change. Does it 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:48.399 have to be changing government? 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.320 Of the words that whoever uses the word change that, 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.600 I think. 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.800 That actually really lived zeitgeist. They do want Albanezi to 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.320 do better. They do want him to be seen to 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.640 be taking this more seriously, provide big solutions. 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:03.960 That doesn't necessarily equate to a change of government. 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.600 All the social media stuff, I think people like to 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.879 get into all these algorithms and everything, and the left 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.400 likes to think they can gain it, and people like 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.880 get Up and their little sort of influence of people 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.960 that can reach those hard to get to, you know, 0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.600 men males between sixteen and twenty. 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:18.160 Five or whatever. 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.320 I mean, if that was actually any good for the left, 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.200 why have the Libs just been in power for a decade? 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.920 Good point, they killed their own prime minister three times 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:27.359 in a row. 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:28.520 Like if get. 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.239 Up was effective, well, get up and gone. 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:31.440 Now? 0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:35.319 Why are we looking at the first one term, first 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.600 term government left in government in a century? 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:38.160 Goodluck? 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.000 If you're any good at it, why are we so 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:41.879 absolutely eft good point. 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.400 Thank you mate, do appreciate it. Thank you, thank you 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:45.080 for holding bak. 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.560 You can hear his podcast on an over podcast system 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.799 and also well Christin Abrams will see you again here 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.560 online very soon. Quick break back with more. Let's have 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.600 a chat about a Green MP who's not a huge. 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.839 Fan of the Australian flag. I'll explain why I think 0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:58.680 that's the case next. 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.200 You wouldn't think that any Australian politician would not be 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.400 proud to fly the Australian flag. But that is exactly 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.840 what is happening in a person who, according to some 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.920 of the polie, might be a one term wonder. One 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.600 of the people who is hopefully going to make this 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.840 Greens MP in and around Brisbane a one term wonder 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.120 is none other than Maggie Forrest and she joins us 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:26.239 now from Queensland. Hello Maggie, Hi Paul, how are you 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:28.880 very good? So we're talking about one of the Greens 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:33.520 rat bags. This one in particular is Elizabeth Watson Brown. Now, 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.960 she's not exactly the most excited person in Australia to 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:38.279 be flying the Australian flag. 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.440 Tell me about how she treats our national symbol. 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.040 Absolutely, I'm a proud Australian. I love our country and 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.040 Ryan is home to thousands of people who feel the same. 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.800 It's home to thousands of defense families with Annagra Barracks 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.879 at its heart. Yet we've got a Greens MP who 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:58.759 refuses to fly the Australian flag. 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:00.719 She hates the flag so much she won't fly it 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:01.400 in her office. 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.560 She disrespects all those people in Ryan who are proud 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.200 of our country and our flag, and in particular our 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:08.640 defense servicemen and women. 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.960 And of course there are an extra issue here where 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.120 it's not just her choice about what she does or 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.760 doesn't put in her office. Federal MPs are a source 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:22.440 of Australian flags for an awful lot of people. Some 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.200 MPs have a position which is made just walk past 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.080 and say the name Australia and they'll give you a flag. 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.560 What's her position on giving out Australian flags. 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.120 I'm hearing now that her office is refusing to give 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:41.240 out Australian flags, whether it's to individuals, community groups, even. 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.279 To RSLs who ask for them. 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.960 They say that they're prioritizing their budget elsewhere, which I 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:48.360 think is absolutely appalling. 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:54.319 Yeah, I mean prioritizing the budget of travel to protests 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.200 or all sorts of other things. The idea of not 0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.920 doing out the Australian flag. What do you think that 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.280 this means as a sign of the type of person 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.359 who Okay, we get it progressive politics, but how does 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.040 progressive politics get to the point where you're not even 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.719 proud of the symbols of the country that you are 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:14.279 part of writing the laws. 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:19.920 For Absolutely and the current Greens MP for Ryan marketed 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.560 herself as a quote independent coming into the last election, 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.359 but the reality is she's just as extreme as people 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.760 like Adam Bant and Max Chandler Mayber. She fully supports 0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:33.239 their policies to defund defense by over thirty percent, to 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:37.520 decriminalize hard drugs like heroine and ice, defund the police. 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:41.080 We had the pro Hamas encampment down at UQ, which 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.319 is also in Ryan, last year, and the Greens MP 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.120 lent her support to those protesters by lending her marquees. 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.680 They were in fact flying the flag of a registered 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.120 terrorist organization, the PFLP. 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:56.000 And my question is is. 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.880 Elizabeth Watson Brown more comfortable with the flag of a 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.120 registered terrorist organization than she is with the Australian flag. 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:04.400 It is extraordinary. Well, well I got you here. 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.000 Let's talk about what you'd like to do if you 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:09.239 get the chance to be in parliament. Why do you 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:10.520 want to become a politician? 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.840 Well, I'm Ryan born and bred. It's where I'm raising 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.120 my young son Henry, with my husband Chris. But under 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.640 the Greens. Over the last three years, I've seen things 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.640 go backwards. People are telling me they're struggling to pay 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.640 their mortgages and rent. I see small businesses all around 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:33.400 us struggling to make ends meet, and even closing a 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:35.799 cafe that's been in the gap for the last twenty years. 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.000 The owner's telling me he's driving ubers on the weekend 0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.160 just to make ends meet. And just down the road 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.680 from me in Chapel Hill, Chaffee's Bakery closed recently after 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:46.879 six and a half years because of the rising cost 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:47.760 of doing business. 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.239 So I decided to put my hand up because enough 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:50.759 was enough. 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:56.120 I've spent I'm a barrister and I've spent my life prosecuting, 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.560 standing up for victims. I got to work in the 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.960 office of the Prosecutor in the Yukoslav Tribunal in the Hague, 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:03.600 and I want to be that strong voice for the 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.239 people of Ryan to deliver for them. 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:06.479 Again. 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.400 Well here impressive, very much so, which leads me low 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.000 on last question here, why do you think Peter dutton 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:13.640 will end up winning this election? 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.080 Peter Dutton's the strong leader that we need when the 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:21.080 people of Australia are waking up to the fact that 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:25.319 Anthony Alberizi is a weak and incompetent leader. A vote 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.400 for any other party other than the Coalition at the 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.880 next election is a vote for a coalition of chaos 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.880 between Labor and the Greens and more of their extreme policies. 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.600 How good is this, Maggie Forrest, write the name down. 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:38.840 I got a feel and we'll be saying it for 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:40.879 a little while to come. How can people help out 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.920 your campaign? Volunteer anything else? What are your socials? How 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:44.640 do people stay in. 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:45.040 Touch with you? 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:47.839 Absolutely? 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:52.080 I'm on all the socials, Instagram, Maggie Forest, LMP, Facebook, 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:56.120 even TikTok I ventured into. We'd love you to follow, 0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.680 follow along, give us a like and if you're in Brisbane, 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.160 any help that we can get from volunteers will always 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:03.480 take it. 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:05.600 Good on you, Maggie, All the best for the next 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:09.120 few weeks made fingers crossed. The people are Ryan, see sense, 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.160 get rid of a Green, go past the Labor Party. 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:12.640 And put yourself into the parliament. Good on your nice 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:13.040 to talk to you. 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.880 You two. Thanks Paul, good stuff. 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.120 See tomorrow. Our special guest is always Meghan Kelly.