Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray live can
Speaker 1: I good evening, Welcome to the man Cave.
Speaker 2: So much to get to tonight, including another Green who
Speaker 2: apparently has such a problem with the Australian flag they're not.
Speaker 1: Interested in handing them out. And members of the public.
Speaker 1: I'll explain more of that in a second.
Speaker 2: How you can join us next week for the first
Speaker 2: of our twenty twenty five election pub tests.
Speaker 1: This is as many normal polatbilla in a room as possible.
Speaker 2: Asking whatever they want to of candidates in key electorates,
Speaker 2: and Joe Hildebrand, Christ and Abrams are here for a
Speaker 2: no muck and around conversation about everything to do from
Speaker 2: hate speech laws to kids who don't understand how a
Speaker 2: bill becomes a law. That will all make sense in
Speaker 2: a moment or two his time. Now, yes, of course
Speaker 2: I'll get to interest rates, but you've heard me and
Speaker 2: my opinion on how little the actual effect is going
Speaker 2: to be. So let me focus on something else, which
Speaker 2: is the Prime Minister and the tactics under which he
Speaker 2: is trying to lie his way to a second term.
Speaker 2: Now we know he lied his way to his first
Speaker 2: term two hundred and seventy five dollars that they were
Speaker 2: going to save people on power bills. That was apparently
Speaker 2: going to happen. It didn't happen. They were going to
Speaker 2: lower the cost of inflation. Not going to happen. But
Speaker 2: as you know, this medi scare business and I'm pleased
Speaker 2: others are starting to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But we were onto this last week.
Speaker 2: It's worth talking about twenty fourteen Peter Dutton the full context.
Speaker 3: So the government is determined to make sure that Medicare
Speaker 3: is sustainable. We are determined to send a price signal
Speaker 3: so that we can move away from the view that
Speaker 3: everything can be for free in health in this country
Speaker 3: because it can't be.
Speaker 1: We're very clear about this.
Speaker 3: Medicare is dead if we can't make it sustainable today.
Speaker 3: But we are absolutely determined to make Medicare sustainable. So
Speaker 3: the Labor Party can pretend to the Australian public that
Speaker 3: things are for free. They can't be for free. We
Speaker 3: have to pay for a world class medical system. We
Speaker 3: will negotiate with the Senators. We are pragmatic about the
Speaker 3: approaches that might be available to us, but we will
Speaker 3: make Medicare sustainable.
Speaker 2: Now all of that gets well Frankenstein by the Labor
Speaker 2: Party into this.
Speaker 3: We're very clear about this. Medicare is dead. They can't
Speaker 3: be for free. We have to pay for a world
Speaker 3: class medical system. We are determined to send a price
Speaker 3: signal so that we can move away from the view
Speaker 3: that everything can be for free in health in this
Speaker 3: country because it can't.
Speaker 1: Be authorized by p Erickson alp camera.
Speaker 2: Now, the editing of that is so bad that I
Speaker 2: am surprised there's not a star wipe in the middle
Speaker 2: of it. It was like somebody editing on an old
Speaker 2: JVC camcorter back in the eighties. It's about as obvious
Speaker 2: as it seems, and it is about as subtle as
Speaker 2: the sledgehammer that Labor is now using as the reason
Speaker 2: to scare people about voting for the Coalition after the
Speaker 2: three years of dysfunction and terrible decisions which this government
Speaker 2: has made.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Dan, you can trust me, like us, that's
Speaker 4: what will happen to medicare.
Speaker 5: Peter Dutton and the Liberals.
Speaker 1: Like they don't like pass, do not like pass Seriously.
Speaker 2: Now, the reason I show you all of this again,
Speaker 2: and I know again you've seen lots of people have
Speaker 2: start to pick this one up. It's because the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister doubled down on it today despite the fact that
Speaker 2: it has been proven by Channel two that it is
Speaker 2: a lie, that it is a Frankenstein quote, that it
Speaker 2: is bs. The Prime Minister, funnily enough, back on Taxpayer
Speaker 2: Radio was asked about it today. Watch how he doesn't
Speaker 2: really engage with the actual question, which is about, hey,
Speaker 2: do you stand by the fake quotes that you've invented
Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton? But this is why he says, medi
Speaker 2: Scare two point zero is the lie that you should
Speaker 2: fall for.
Speaker 6: You know you, is this the way we're going to
Speaker 6: find this election? With misinformation and with with you know,
Speaker 6: ask medi scare.
Speaker 7: Well, Peter Dutton when he was a health minister, remember
Speaker 7: he was voted astray. It's worse health minister by doctors,
Speaker 7: tried to introduce a GP tax attacks every time people
Speaker 7: went to the doctor that would have had to have
Speaker 7: made a payment. So abolishing bulk billing. Now, bulk billing
Speaker 7: is at the heart of medicare. That's why we've tripled
Speaker 7: the bulk building incentive.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't even actually deal. After being caught red handed,
Speaker 2: let me talk about something else, someding back into the
Speaker 2: history books.
Speaker 1: Right, and again, I just love how selective all of
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: Right, if every decision that has been made in previous
Speaker 2: governments is to be held accountable for potential and future governments, well,
Speaker 2: that of course means that the rud Gillard Rudd mess
Speaker 2: automatically on how the policies of Albo.
Speaker 1: You want to play that game.
Speaker 2: We've got plenty of tape in our vaults here, I
Speaker 2: was going to say, trying to quickly think of the
Speaker 2: digital version, but you know we've got plenty of tape
Speaker 2: from that time. What about the conversations about negative gearing,
Speaker 2: What about the support that you had for the shortened
Speaker 2: policies that got rejected?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that rule doesn't apply to us. It
Speaker 1: only applies to them.
Speaker 2: Interesting that it's taxpayer media that at least, like a
Speaker 2: broken clock twice a day, gets something right in pushing
Speaker 2: back here.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this at the start.
Speaker 2: Of the show because this sort of garbage is going
Speaker 2: to flood the zone and unless people are willing to
Speaker 2: push back, and I think the opposition has done not
Speaker 2: a good enough job pushing back on the lie expecting.
Speaker 1: Everyone else to be doing the work on their behalf.
Speaker 2: This lie will continue to float. It needs to be
Speaker 2: branded a lie. It needs to be seen as a lie.
Speaker 2: You need to be aware of the lie. So when
Speaker 2: somebody brings it up in your social media feed, you
Speaker 2: can post a video of what I'm saying now as
Speaker 2: the proof and the pushback of their bs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and by the way, the great champions of medicare and
Speaker 2: bulk billing. These are stories from just the past couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. In Anthony Albanese's Australia in the Financial Review,
Speaker 2: medical costs are bulk billing down. I fewer people access
Speaker 2: to medicare under his government, and reporting this morning in
Speaker 2: the Australian one hundred and fifty one electorates, every electorate
Speaker 2: in the country have fewer people bulk billing when it
Speaker 2: comes to their own health expenses. That's the reality under
Speaker 2: our boat. They can say what they want, they can
Speaker 2: pass whatever performative little motions they want to in the Parliament.
Speaker 1: That's their record.
Speaker 2: And if everything from the past is now the present,
Speaker 2: get ready because I'll release the floodgates and gladly so,
Speaker 2: just hold them to their own standards. Also, in the
Speaker 2: battle between the Prime Minister and the alternative Prime Minister. Here,
Speaker 2: let's have a look at how the majority of Australians
Speaker 2: view the country today. The majority of people all over
Speaker 2: the country, whether they live in the cities, the suburbs,
Speaker 2: the regions or the bush, well, fifty one percent of
Speaker 2: people believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: That is up thirty four points since just after the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two election. The right track is down seventeen
Speaker 2: But in the grand title of this prime ministership, thirty
Speaker 2: four percent of people change their mind from the country
Speaker 2: being on the right track and now believe it is
Speaker 2: in the wrong track. The wrong track was just twenty
Speaker 2: seven percent back in June of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: It is now fifty one percent.
Speaker 2: Another pole, more trouble for the Prime Minister, this time
Speaker 2: about his own performance. The Prime Minister's performance compared to
Speaker 2: that same pole back in twenty twenty two, his disapproval
Speaker 2: number is up by thirty points, up by thirty points
Speaker 2: to now forty eight percent. In fact, his disapproval when
Speaker 2: he was first in the job was just eighteen percent,
Speaker 2: now forty eight percent. And why wouldn't Australians had that
Speaker 2: view when we have the the lyrical gangster that is
Speaker 2: this Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: Roses are red, violence of blue.
Speaker 7: It's Valentine's Day and we love blue polar workers.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do it every night? It's that painful.
Speaker 2: It's the new version of dj Elbow. They lied their
Speaker 2: way to a first term. I'm not going to let
Speaker 2: them do it when it comes to a second. And
Speaker 2: also a massive problem came from polling from left wing
Speaker 2: organizations today, or at least the places that it turns
Speaker 2: up in the turnbul Times. Now, the Prime Minister Grim
Speaker 2: Jim and the Finance Minister you know, the one who
Speaker 2: lied to the Senate about the whole you know what
Speaker 2: way back when. They're all very proud of themselves that
Speaker 2: they've made great, multi billion dodl of decisions because they're
Speaker 2: totally focused on the cost of living, despite the fact
Speaker 2: the same people made the decision to take fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: dollars of ten million workers. That's one of the first
Speaker 2: things they did well in the Turble Times today via
Speaker 2: the Essential poll, pretty amazing to see about whether people
Speaker 2: are aware or not of government policies. Now at the
Speaker 2: very top of the one seventy seven percent of people
Speaker 2: are aware of are the energy bill things where three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars for a one bedroom shack their power bill
Speaker 2: in the bush all the way through to the biggest
Speaker 2: mansion in the most busy capital city. Then the changes
Speaker 2: to hex. But then we start to get down to here,
Speaker 2: only fifty five percent of people. So therefore what forty
Speaker 2: five percent of people have no idea that they received
Speaker 2: a tax cut none. That is after all the government advertising,
Speaker 2: all the crowing, all the media bsing. Unbelievable because of
Speaker 2: course it's too little, too late. I told you they
Speaker 2: wouldn't notice. Think of how we had a whole conversation
Speaker 2: about that for almost a year. Forty five percent of
Speaker 2: people still have no idea that it happened. But apparently
Speaker 2: it was a tax cump for everyone, and this was
Speaker 2: what was going to turn around cost of living. And
Speaker 2: only forty six percent of people even know about budget surpluses.
Speaker 2: So when they say all that southern election campaigns, it's
Speaker 2: not connecting. And have a look at this on those
Speaker 2: particular subjects. When it comes to the g gap, the
Speaker 2: dark blue blokes the light blue females. When it comes
Speaker 2: down to consecutive budget surpluses, just thirty six percent.
Speaker 1: Of women know that that has happened.
Speaker 2: Only forty five percent of women know about the tax cuts.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was the Liberal party that had
Speaker 2: the problem with women. So how are they going to
Speaker 2: get out of this mess? Well, they're just going to
Speaker 2: use more of your money to try to convince you
Speaker 2: that the decisions that they have taken that are too little,
Speaker 2: too late are apparently the things that have saved your
Speaker 2: family budget, despite the fact that it's been blown up
Speaker 2: for the past three years. They lied to get in
Speaker 2: there the first time. They try to lie to keep
Speaker 2: their jobs. Another one hundred and seventy four million dollars
Speaker 2: is how much they have spent thus far on government advertising,
Speaker 2: specifically in and around things like two little too late
Speaker 2: tax cuts. Now they're going to spend hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars of your money in the next little while
Speaker 2: on Facebook adds this is in between the lies, of course,
Speaker 2: in and around when it comes to medicare. Meantime, when
Speaker 2: it comes to Peter Dutton, I need to beld the
Speaker 2: cat here because the people who think that they're already
Speaker 2: over the line and it's all going to go their way,
Speaker 2: there are some issues here.
Speaker 1: You can't ignore them.
Speaker 2: Yes, Peter Dutton's performance has changed in terms of how
Speaker 2: people have viewed him. Back in the same metric that
Speaker 2: had the Prime Minister through the roof, his disapproval level
Speaker 2: was at forty four percent. It is now up to
Speaker 2: forty five. Not a major change. His approval has changed
Speaker 2: from thirty six to forty one. That's good, it's all
Speaker 2: headed in the right direction.
Speaker 1: But neither of.
Speaker 2: Those, of course, have cracked the fifty. That's important. It's
Speaker 2: why there are people running around telling the people who've
Speaker 2: already thought, oh, look, we're going to do this mob slowly,
Speaker 2: We're definitely going to win government.
Speaker 1: They're so damned terrible.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of members of the opposition, including people
Speaker 2: that are known to this program, that are telling their
Speaker 2: fellow travelers, including their supporters, calm down. This is exactly
Speaker 2: the trap that Bill Shorten fell into in twenty nineteen. Now,
Speaker 2: you and I knew that nothing was inevitable in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and we knew that there was a path, and we
Speaker 2: knew that there were more people that would end up
Speaker 2: rejecting that opposition and reaffirming the Morrison government back in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Now we know that.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of people that are going to a
Speaker 2: vailable for the first time, but are there enough in
Speaker 2: enough seats. That's the asterisk we always have to have
Speaker 2: in and around the conversation. And despite how terrible the
Speaker 2: financial circumstances have been for the past three years, it
Speaker 2: is with no pleasure, but I still will point out
Speaker 2: the fact that in news Pole there is no great
Speaker 2: belief that if the Coalition was in power there would
Speaker 2: be any substantial change to the financial circumstances. This is
Speaker 2: important if cost of living is the a one issue
Speaker 2: and Poles are telling us that only twenty four percent
Speaker 2: of people think that inflation would have been lower under
Speaker 2: a coalition government, and what fifty six percent of people
Speaker 2: say that it would be same or worse.
Speaker 1: That's the fertile.
Speaker 2: Ground that the Labor Party is going to be able
Speaker 2: to try to grow the seeds of their latest lies
Speaker 2: in including that everything will be worse underdone. I don't
Speaker 2: say it because I want you to see it. I
Speaker 2: want you to see it because you need to know
Speaker 2: what's actually going on.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Also, I'm trying to keep an eye not just on
Speaker 2: the news of the day, but also what is happening
Speaker 2: away from the traditional sources of news and the direct
Speaker 2: messages that they are trying to put out when it
Speaker 2: comes to social media. Again, some very big slights of
Speaker 2: hand here from the government. Pretty good game when it
Speaker 2: comes to the opposition, but I always believe that they
Speaker 2: could be hitting even harder and even more direct. Good
Speaker 2: to see today that they were talking finally, after the
Speaker 2: months and months and months that I have been talking
Speaker 2: about about how much money people over the past couple
Speaker 2: of years have been spending extra on their mortgage. Good,
Speaker 2: now do it on social media? Taxpayer incident, they did
Speaker 2: a little deep dive to try to work out whom
Speaker 2: has the most engagement when it comes to their posts
Speaker 2: on the incinet. Now not all of that engagement is positive,
Speaker 2: but who is making waves versus who is just putting
Speaker 2: noise out into the world of social media. According to
Speaker 2: this article, Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party significantly outperforming
Speaker 2: Anthony Abernezi and Labour in the contest for young voters,
Speaker 2: particularly on the Chinese surveillance at my line TikTok. As
Speaker 2: the federal election edges closer since the beginning of last year,
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has seen slightly higher than average interactions
Speaker 2: on both Instagram and Facebook, which of course are the.
Speaker 1: Profiles with older voters.
Speaker 2: As I showed you before, he's got like four hundred
Speaker 2: thousand people on his personal following, and I don't even
Speaker 2: think maybe a little more than a quarter of that
Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton Freemont need to be just in front
Speaker 2: shows again how the Libs might be.
Speaker 1: Doing pretty well in all of this.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about some examples, talk about some tactics,
Speaker 2: and talk about some ideas about how this thing plays
Speaker 2: out on social media because we know fewer people watch
Speaker 2: the six PM news, fewer people go to the places
Speaker 2: they went five ten years ago. So does that mean
Speaker 2: that they are more open to lies or are they
Speaker 2: more open to social media strategies that have been used
Speaker 2: like people like Donald Trump and his supporters, where bash bash, bash, hit,
Speaker 2: hit hit, fight, fight fight is what helped win that election.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about it with Joe and Kristen in a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes here on Paul Marink Live. All right,
Speaker 2: So Rates, I've been leading with this for a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks because I wanted to get the clear air
Speaker 2: to make my very obvious point that yes, when rates
Speaker 2: go down. Yay, I'm paying off a house too. But
Speaker 2: the reality is that if it is the rate sized
Speaker 2: cut that has just happened, and one is probably not
Speaker 2: going to happen again before the next federal election, then
Speaker 2: there is not going to be a significant change to
Speaker 2: how people's household budgets go. This is how the media
Speaker 2: spun it today in terms of how much you'll save.
Speaker 6: Rates started rising in May twenty twenty two. Repayments on
Speaker 6: a typical five hundred thousand dollars loan have jumped by
Speaker 6: around twelve hundred and forty dollars a month. Today's cut
Speaker 6: should save that borrow with seventy seven dollars a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the way you get to fourteen thousand, this
Speaker 2: your times that by of course twelve, because it's not
Speaker 2: just there when it comes to monthly important important. Ross Greenwood,
Speaker 2: who has seen these things go up and go down,
Speaker 2: And I've got to say, after watching him a Channel nine.
Speaker 1: For years, working with him for years here at.
Speaker 2: SKY, I don't know which way Ross goes politically. So
Speaker 2: I like that he just talks about the number and
Speaker 2: the data. This is what he said about why do
Speaker 2: not expect further interest rate cuts? Before the election, the
Speaker 2: Australian dollar has picked up.
Speaker 8: Now, normally, if we thought there were a lot of
Speaker 8: interest rate cuts coming from the statement of the Reserve Bank,
Speaker 8: the dollar would have fallen and fallen significantly.
Speaker 1: But what you can see is the reaction here look
Speaker 1: at the market has fallen.
Speaker 8: So in other words, effectively, what they're saying is that
Speaker 8: they're now not banking on as many interest rate cuts
Speaker 8: as previously they were. If you go and have a
Speaker 8: look at the Australian dollar, it's actually risen since this decision,
Speaker 8: and so that again says don't bank on as many
Speaker 8: interest rate cuts in the future.
Speaker 2: So, in the words of the front page of the
Speaker 2: Australian newspaper, is ARBO going to be a one cut wonder?
Speaker 2: Most likely that's the case between now and the election.
Speaker 2: And the reality is, as I have shown you many times,
Speaker 2: and you know, if you are trying to pay off
Speaker 2: the house you live in or the one that you
Speaker 2: bought as an investment property, if you borrowed four hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in one year alone, you've had to pay
Speaker 2: an extra fifteen thousand dollars. So basically the best part
Speaker 2: of the thirty thousand dollars since this bloke became the
Speaker 2: Prime minister twenty two or almost forty four thousand dollars
Speaker 2: on six hundred thirty thousand, or sixty thousand on an
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars loan, seventy thousand or maybe eighty eight thousand,
Speaker 2: depending on whether you're somebody who's had to borrow a
Speaker 2: big chunk of change because you want to buy the house,
Speaker 2: the dream house for the future. And to further my
Speaker 2: point about the political consequences of four fifths of bugger
Speaker 2: all that has actually happened today in terms of your
Speaker 2: monthly or even your annual savings, that we could be
Speaker 2: talking about anywhere between one and two hundred dollars a month,
Speaker 2: and that will be the saving between now and the election.
Speaker 2: That when the cumulative effect is the best part of
Speaker 2: anywhere between what fourteen and eighty eight thousand dollars about
Speaker 2: how much extra you have had to pay off your
Speaker 2: home loan on top of what you were already paying
Speaker 2: before this bloke became the prime minister. This is why
Speaker 2: the political effect is something that will only exist in
Speaker 2: the press gallery of Canberra and.
Speaker 1: Not in the real world.
Speaker 2: This is a conversation about inflation, but it applies to
Speaker 2: any of the extra pricing and any of the extra
Speaker 2: costs that all of us have had to go through,
Speaker 2: and that giant chunk of change that I have been
Speaker 2: talking about when it comes to the overall cost of
Speaker 2: home loans under Albanesi.
Speaker 9: For a lot of people, it's not about that. It's
Speaker 9: about the difference between this and that. And when you
Speaker 9: look at the difference between this and that, that's twenty percent.
Speaker 9: And I think that's the dichotomy here between these inflation
Speaker 9: numbers where it looks normal and this which is really
Speaker 9: not normal at all.
Speaker 2: Now I'm only a shortened fat bloke, so probably could
Speaker 2: just get a giant iPad, but how could that screen.
Speaker 2: I'd love to be able to run around and do
Speaker 2: graphics things like that. We will see what happens into
Speaker 2: the future. But perfect example, all right, the press gallery
Speaker 2: turns around and says, well, inflation has a two in
Speaker 2: front of it, has a three in front of it.
Speaker 2: But that is a comparison of this much on top
Speaker 2: of this much, on top of this much, on top
Speaker 2: of this much. So Australians when it comes to cost
Speaker 2: of living and Australians when it comes to wanting to
Speaker 2: punish a government that in my view has not done enough,
Speaker 2: that in fact has also. Don't never forget they took
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars out of ten million people's tax return,
Speaker 2: not once, twice, three years in a row. That is
Speaker 2: the reality of the decisions that they have made. The
Speaker 2: two little too late tax cuts, fourteen bucks a week,
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars off power bills from as I said,
Speaker 2: a shack in the bush to a mansion in the city,
Speaker 2: that's twenty five dollars a month. And when you have
Speaker 2: a look at using that logic from that bloke on
Speaker 2: Sky News in the UK, have a look at this.
Speaker 2: This is the margin by which your things have cost
Speaker 2: more since the December quarter of twenty twenty one and
Speaker 2: the December quarter of last year. Health almost thirteen percent,
Speaker 2: petrol almost fifteen percent, food almost seventeen percent, housing almost
Speaker 2: eighteen percent. So good luck if everyone thinks, oh, there's
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred bucks or two hundred dollars and somehow
Speaker 2: everyone's going to run and go voting for elbow, because
Speaker 2: it'll be worse under done. It's worse under this bloke.
Speaker 2: It's been worse under this bloke for three years. If
Speaker 2: you truly care about your financial circumstances, how could anyone
Speaker 2: reward these vandals with three more years in power. They
Speaker 2: promised you two hundred and seventy five dollars on power
Speaker 2: bills that doesn't exist. They have promised that cost of
Speaker 2: living would be lower. Show those numbers again. They promised
Speaker 2: cost of living would be lower under a labour government.
Speaker 2: But one more time, health, petrol, food, housing, up up,
Speaker 2: up up, and an even bigger bill that is costing
Speaker 2: people money has been insurance.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of people who can't afford it,
Speaker 2: but there's lots of people who want to take out
Speaker 2: insurance on their house, on their car, on their boat,
Speaker 2: on all sorts of things, because you don't want it
Speaker 2: to get damage, You don't want it to get stolen,
Speaker 2: you don't want flood waters to be causing trouble, all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. Right, Well, the insurance companies have
Speaker 2: been making billions, billions of dollars in profit while they
Speaker 2: spend hundreds of millions of do was on ads telling
Speaker 2: us how much they love us and without them we
Speaker 2: couldn't possibly survive. Here is the reality of how much
Speaker 2: insurance has gone up under this government. Again, let's look
Speaker 2: December twenty one, five and a half percent, eight percent,
Speaker 2: five percent. Total insurance has gone up eighteen and a
Speaker 2: half percent since December two thousand and to eat one. Oh,
Speaker 2: but there's one interest road rise cut's going to please
Speaker 2: please now the opposition later and potential prime minister is
Speaker 2: saying that it is about time that insurance companies have
Speaker 2: to pay out more and maybe have to pull their
Speaker 2: head in or maybe even have to start getting split
Speaker 2: because the costs are ridiculous. This is what he's had
Speaker 2: to say in the past couple of days.
Speaker 3: We need competition, we need depth in the insurance pool,
Speaker 3: and we need to make sure that we're not being
Speaker 3: ripped off by insurance companies. And as we've done with
Speaker 3: the supermarkets where we have threatened vestment, if consumers are
Speaker 3: being ripped off, similarly in the insurance market, we will
Speaker 3: intervene to make sure that consumers get a fair go
Speaker 3: because at the moment, people are paying too much for
Speaker 3: their insurance and what's resulting is that people aren't taking
Speaker 3: out insurance.
Speaker 2: So that's a person who's living in the real world.
Speaker 2: That's a person who is talking to people in the
Speaker 2: real world about the costs that are on top on
Speaker 2: top of on top of on top of on top
Speaker 2: of on top of everything else. And we're working on
Speaker 2: something that will bring you a little bit later in
Speaker 2: the week. But some of these insurance companies in and
Speaker 2: around the floods that we've been talking about in North Queensland,
Speaker 2: you've got forty eight hours to pull your head in
Speaker 2: because they're about to copy it right between the eyes.
Speaker 2: We've got first hand examples about how these people are
Speaker 2: being ripped off.
Speaker 1: They thought they had the.
Speaker 2: Right policies, they were told they had everything in place,
Speaker 2: and now oh sorry, we can't possibly play out it's
Speaker 2: bs it's not acceptable. And good on Peter Dutton for
Speaker 2: at least acknowledging this is a major issue now away
Speaker 2: from politics, but something that very much is about the
Speaker 2: future of our country. That's our kids and that's what
Speaker 2: they learn in school. It's also about what they know
Speaker 2: about some of the basics that we used to call
Speaker 2: civics way back when how does a bill become a law,
Speaker 2: what's the difference between local and federal government, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 2: Well, today seven out of ten high school students fail
Speaker 2: civics and citizenship teasts. That is a disgrace. It is
Speaker 2: a disgrace of our education system, to be honest. It's
Speaker 2: also a disgrace of many of the families that don't
Speaker 2: try to.
Speaker 1: Talk about basics like this. But have a look.
Speaker 2: The number of kids who are being able to pass
Speaker 2: a civic or citizenship test in year six is forty
Speaker 2: three percent year six forty three percent. Obviously they're not
Speaker 2: getting into the absolute finite things about you know, how
Speaker 2: the Senate.
Speaker 1: Works, but that's the basics high school.
Speaker 2: It's even worse by year ten they get dumber on
Speaker 2: this stuff. Forty six percent falls to twenty eight percent
Speaker 2: by year ten.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: And then have a look at this percentages of trust
Speaker 2: in civic institutions. Only seventy eight percent of kids in
Speaker 2: year six trust the parliament. Why would they not have
Speaker 2: a higher number than that? What crap are they being
Speaker 2: fed in terms of the new sources that are either
Speaker 2: taxpayer created and jeez, that's a deep dive. I'd love
Speaker 2: to do one day some of the sort of kid
Speaker 2: focused stuff or what are they.
Speaker 1: Learning at home?
Speaker 2: Faith in among other things, the media forty seven percent
Speaker 2: had to fifty three percent of kids in year six
Speaker 2: have an opinion, let alone a negative one about sources
Speaker 2: of information ridiculous and.
Speaker 1: Year ten.
Speaker 2: That falls from forty seven percent to thirty three percent.
Speaker 1: Why because of their lefty garbage that shove down their
Speaker 1: throats as media luteracy.
Speaker 2: Classes that they most often are doing in space of
Speaker 2: a proper education.
Speaker 1: Now I get it.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of things, and plenty of media outlets, and
Speaker 2: plenty of people in the media who, yes, can create
Speaker 2: scenarios where because you have a look at their record
Speaker 2: all the rest of it that you have to think twice.
Speaker 2: But the idea that that is their view you all
Speaker 2: away from the media their parents watch all the way
Speaker 2: through to the media that their parents would never engage with.
Speaker 2: That's just the media part of things. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: how does a bill become a law? What's the difference
Speaker 2: between state, federal, and local government? That numbers are appalling.
Speaker 2: Am I suggesting that we should spend the full term
Speaker 2: talking about these things?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But should we be thinking very.
Speaker 2: Seriously about the types of information they're learning at school?
Speaker 2: And it's our job as parents and grandparents to double
Speaker 2: check some of this stuff because those numbers, they are
Speaker 2: just ludicrous, which brings.
Speaker 1: Me to the beautiful state of Victoria. Now, I love Victoria.
Speaker 1: I love Victorians, but I hate their government.
Speaker 2: Now there's a brand new treasurer after the former one
Speaker 2: almost well of course, ran away after running the joint
Speaker 2: into the ground, almost labor losing its seat. And guess
Speaker 2: what the new one is saying, there's a chance they're
Speaker 2: still going to keep putting up taxes because the former
Speaker 2: one ran the joint into the ground.
Speaker 10: So not ruing the new taxes in your Furst bathroom.
Speaker 2: I'm not ruling anything or anything out, but I want
Speaker 2: to ensure that Victorians know that I understand how tough
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Hang on, can we play that again? Does she have
Speaker 1: the K or the G at the end of the word?
Speaker 1: Roll it again?
Speaker 10: So not ruing the new taxes in your Furst bathroom.
Speaker 2: I'm not ruling anything or anything out, but I want.
Speaker 5: To ensure that Victorians know that I understand how.
Speaker 11: Tough it is.
Speaker 2: Seriously, seriously, anyway, how are they trying to save money
Speaker 2: in the Victorian government? Well three outw You've got their
Speaker 2: rumor thing each and every morning, and it was confirmed.
Speaker 1: What one of the rumors were.
Speaker 2: This is how it played out on three OUW Breakfast
Speaker 2: where they are trying to save money by getting the
Speaker 2: Shine of Remembrance to pay for the police officers to
Speaker 2: be the guard during the weekly playing of the Last Post.
Speaker 2: They are sending a bill to the Shrine of Remembrance
Speaker 2: for the police officers to be part of the Last
Speaker 2: Post ceremony every week.
Speaker 4: We received this yesterday from the Shrine CEO, Dean Lee Quote.
Speaker 4: The Shrine Sunday Last Post service is funded by the
Speaker 4: Victorian government. The service includes a piper and bugler and
Speaker 4: ceremonial elements performed by the Shrine Guard. The Shrine Guard
Speaker 4: are members of Victoria Police's Protective Services Unit. Their involvement
Speaker 4: in the service is provided as in kind support paid
Speaker 4: for by Victoria Police. The Shrine has been advised by
Speaker 4: Victoria Police that it is unable to continue to pay
Speaker 4: for the Shrine Guard's participation in the Last Post service
Speaker 4: beyond Anzac Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way they are saving money in Victoria. Sure,
Speaker 2: there's money for pill testing so you can double check
Speaker 2: that your illicit and illegal drugs won't kill you. They've
Speaker 2: got extra money for that. They've got money up the
Speaker 2: wazoo for all sorts of garbage.
Speaker 10: But no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Where we draw the line.
Speaker 2: Is when police officers are part of a formal guard
Speaker 2: at the Shrine of Remembrance. And this is the economic genius,
Speaker 2: the one who doesn't know how do we even say
Speaker 2: words proper and stuff.
Speaker 10: So not ruling out in any taxes anything.
Speaker 2: In your first backroom, I'm not ruling anything or anything out,
Speaker 2: but I want.
Speaker 5: To ensure that Victorians know that I understand how.
Speaker 11: Tough it is.
Speaker 2: These people. Plenty more after the break, let's get straight
Speaker 2: into it. And then an interesting story again about a
Speaker 2: green who's not all that hot on the Australian flag
Speaker 2: and she doesn't want you to be either.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. All right, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: what you do. Not forget.
Speaker 2: In the next couple we are going to have the
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism summit. You'll be able to see all the
Speaker 2: details here are on air online as well. That of course,
Speaker 2: is taking place on Thursday, so please pay attention to
Speaker 2: all of that in your socials and certainly here on air.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Also, if you would like to join us for the
Speaker 2: first pub test of the year, that one is going
Speaker 2: to be in Bateman's Bay. The seat of Gilmore, and
Speaker 2: what we want is as many people as possible in
Speaker 2: the room because we want locals asking questions of the candidates. Now,
Speaker 2: I'll be upfront laborer, probably an empty seat. The Greens
Speaker 2: may well be an empty seat, but it's there if
Speaker 2: they want it. Yes, I'll have my opinion. But anyone
Speaker 2: who's watched these things over multiple elections knows it's not
Speaker 2: me asking the questions. Okay, So if you would like
Speaker 2: to join us, and you can get to Bateman's Bay
Speaker 2: for that show next Monday, and you would like a
Speaker 2: question of the candidates, we've got a couple locked in
Speaker 2: so that it'll be quite interesting. The open invitation there
Speaker 2: to everyone else to join. But pubtest it's gonews dot
Speaker 2: com do Au. We've got a very full room for
Speaker 2: the ourtown. If you couldn't get into that, come to
Speaker 2: the pub test and if you've got a question too,
Speaker 2: we look forward to all of that, all right. Christin
Speaker 2: Abrams is of course with the Libertarians in Victoria. She
Speaker 2: joins us now in Melbourne. And the wonderful man who,
Speaker 2: of course you know.
Speaker 1: Just is all that he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 1: little good event. Right track, wrong track.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in the moment or two time
Speaker 2: is none other than Joe Hildebrands. So some huge stories
Speaker 2: in and around hate laws. New so Wales is going
Speaker 2: to introduce ones that have penalties of serious time in
Speaker 2: jail or very significant fines. Victoria is going to put
Speaker 2: things in place where previously political debate.
Speaker 1: Was not going to be included in those laws. That
Speaker 1: will now not be the case.
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about these because they're going
Speaker 2: to probably end up as the law of the land.
Speaker 2: Christ Then I'm going to start with you, because Victoria
Speaker 2: seems to be the one that is going to pounce on, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: the ones that are going to limit speech.
Speaker 1: What's your sense of these things.
Speaker 2: My argument around all of this stuff is that it's
Speaker 2: dangerous to play with it, but they're going to.
Speaker 11: It's definitely dangerous to play with it, Paul. It's dangerous
Speaker 11: to have every you know, an issue come up and
Speaker 11: try and legislate every single issue when we should be
Speaker 11: looking at the root cause. And the root cause is
Speaker 11: a lack of leadership in Victoria and in Australia at
Speaker 11: the moment to kind of stamp out bad behavior that's
Speaker 11: going on. You can't legislate against hateful speech because it
Speaker 11: will still exist. It will just go behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: And in terms of.
Speaker 11: Governments can't even ban contraband that is in jails. Governments
Speaker 11: can't keep contraband in jails out of it. How could
Speaker 11: they possibly think that they'll take away hateful speech by
Speaker 11: legislating it. Now, About twelve months ago, I got asked
Speaker 11: a question on your show, Paul, what I thought of
Speaker 11: a labor candidate at the time saying the voice result
Speaker 11: was the worst of weight privilege that she had ever seen.
Speaker 11: And my response was, well, if she had such a
Speaker 11: problem with weight privilege, she's more than welcome to vote
Speaker 11: for me. Now, would all of that conversation, on all
Speaker 11: of that debate be banned under these current laws. It's
Speaker 11: outrageous to think that this is where Victoria is going
Speaker 11: into an Orwellian thought police situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, look, Joe again, I
Speaker 2: understand the issue. I'm looking forward to the something that's
Speaker 2: coming up in a couple of days time. Right, I
Speaker 2: have serious concerns about what is introduced with one hope
Speaker 2: that ends up becoming completely weaponizable by things that are
Speaker 2: completely unintended and no government will ever have the balls
Speaker 2: to change wind back or put sunset provisions into.
Speaker 12: This eighteen to three all over again.
Speaker 13: Yeah, So look, the last thing you want is for
Speaker 13: this to become a trojan horse for a sort of
Speaker 13: quasi blasphemy law exact example, or a curtailing of political debate.
Speaker 12: Quick disclaimer, my wife works for Quality Australia, which is
Speaker 12: one of the groups that is.
Speaker 13: Pushing for LGBTQ and all the rest included with that
Speaker 13: a slightly different view. But I think the purpose of
Speaker 13: these laws and the laws in New South Wales is
Speaker 13: very specifically to capture what is happening to Jewish people
Speaker 13: in the community, how they are being targeted, and making
Speaker 13: sure that police and we know that police have really
Speaker 13: really struggled to find existing grounds, existing laws with which
Speaker 13: to prosecute people who are doing these things. Now, yes,
Speaker 13: you can prosecute them for vandalism, Yes you can prosecute
Speaker 13: them for property damage, but burning someone's car because they're
Speaker 13: a filthy Jew and kill Israel and kill the Jews
Speaker 13: or whatever is a bit different from just your standard
Speaker 13: garden variety active vandalism. So so what they're trying to
Speaker 13: do is to make sure that people who do these
Speaker 13: things can be prosecuted. The last thing you would want,
Speaker 13: and I think this is why they have not expanded
Speaker 13: it to other groups, other cohorts. Last thing you want
Speaker 13: is for people to be able to say, well, you
Speaker 13: may someone hate me, you're nicked, You're going to jail.
Speaker 1: So it will be very much how.
Speaker 13: These laws are enforced, and I would expect them to
Speaker 13: be enforced in a pretty narrow way.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, but the problem is another police commissioner, another
Speaker 2: police minister, another attorney general, another government. Now, god forbid,
Speaker 2: the Greens one day end up forming a government somewhere right.
Speaker 2: That's why to me, I'd love to see much more
Speaker 2: in Australia when we do things like this, and yes,
Speaker 2: even some of the counterterrorism laws that we do what
Speaker 2: they do in America, which is have sunset provisions which
Speaker 2: means the law will last for two years and then
Speaker 2: basically you have to show that it works to argue
Speaker 2: to re implement it when you're doing these things.
Speaker 12: But the homeland security stuff.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's where I'm way more to the libertarian end
Speaker 2: of things, which I know police is at Kristen and
Speaker 2: the people in her life. But let's talk here about
Speaker 2: again a scenario where these laws, I think they are
Speaker 2: not debated as publicly as they should be, and the
Speaker 2: detail of what is in and out and all of
Speaker 2: that isn't given really much coverage because it's not like
Speaker 2: anyone's going to sit there on the six pm news
Speaker 2: and actually read the bill out loud from beginning to end.
Speaker 2: We've got to hope that there are people in the
Speaker 2: Upper House, like David Lindbrick in Victoria Kristen that are
Speaker 2: going to be able to say, hey, well paragraph two
Speaker 2: on page three is pretty weird. But that's a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure on just a couple of individuals when if
Speaker 2: the drum beat is must pass and if you somehow
Speaker 2: oppose then your pro hate it's going to be very difficult.
Speaker 2: They have a nuanced discussion here.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So David is definitely championing this and also showing
Speaker 11: how this will probably be used against the Greens more
Speaker 11: so than anyone, and that the Greens would be against
Speaker 11: this legislation. Also, David is appealing to anyone that he
Speaker 11: can to vote against this legislation. In terms of what
Speaker 11: Labor's doing at the moment, they are also pushing the
Speaker 11: Libs to vote for this because you know, most of
Speaker 11: it is good, even though some of it is very
Speaker 11: poorly written. But I always kind of think back to
Speaker 11: the hypocrisy of Labor when they voted down the bill
Speaker 11: against the Frankston serial killer getting out of jail, just
Speaker 11: because the Liberals put it up, even though the bill
Speaker 11: was good and the book bill was solid. So the
Speaker 11: hypocrisy there to label the Liberal Party or anyone else being,
Speaker 11: you know, for hate speech by them not voting for
Speaker 11: a poorly formed bill is Yeah, it's I guess it's
Speaker 11: on brand.
Speaker 1: For Labor, to be honest, Joe.
Speaker 2: The Frankenstein quote they're trying to push around about Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton and medicare all right, and I'm sure that they
Speaker 2: have many different versions.
Speaker 1: But if the hook on which.
Speaker 2: They are going to hang their heat is that Constein quote, Yep,
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous.
Speaker 12: Yeah it is.
Speaker 13: Look, I didn't like meny scare the first time it
Speaker 13: came round, and I don't like it much this time either.
Speaker 13: I think, if that's the best weapon that Labor, I
Speaker 13: can see what they're trying to do. But if that's
Speaker 13: the best weapon they have, you know, the truth is
Speaker 13: that Labour has actually done some pretty good stuff. I
Speaker 13: know that's you know, anathemata what a lot of people
Speaker 13: think listening to this, But you know, they could talk
Speaker 13: about delivering tax cuts for everyone.
Speaker 12: They could talk about delivering bill relief. They could talk about.
Speaker 13: Bringing inflation down to within two to three percent, which
Speaker 13: is why we've got a rate cut today. We'd talk
Speaker 13: about more rate cuts to come, talk about you know,
Speaker 13: the two budget surpluses and the one that we're not
Speaker 13: going to have a surplus or a deficit because they've
Speaker 13: got to go to.
Speaker 12: An election before that has to happen.
Speaker 13: You know, the bill relief whatever you know, like and
Speaker 13: again you can you can argue the toss over whether
Speaker 13: these measures are good or whether they're inflationy or whatever.
Speaker 1: My point is, if talk.
Speaker 13: About the good stuff that you're doing instead of just
Speaker 13: raising pretty spurious claims against Peter Dutton because I think
Speaker 13: sooner or like, it might seem smart now, but it
Speaker 13: does come back to haunt you, just like it does
Speaker 13: when you say that, you know, Scott Morrison's fault that
Speaker 13: the cost of living so high, I think, and I
Speaker 13: know it sounds almost naive, but I guarantee in politics
Speaker 13: you have to think about the war and not the battle. Yes,
Speaker 13: you think you can win this little battle here by
Speaker 13: jagging this little.
Speaker 1: Kind of number here.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean literally look at war and not having
Speaker 2: a record on which too well, and obviously two thousand
Speaker 2: and four John Coward couldn't have had a bigger win
Speaker 2: won Senate right one party having both because of course
Speaker 2: keeping interest rates low, meaning as soon as something changed, bang,
Speaker 2: So again, something that might work this week is going
Speaker 2: to be a massive problem for the next couple of
Speaker 2: years to come. Let's talk about the election on the internet,
Speaker 2: and let's talk about social media and about what messages
Speaker 2: are around. So Kristen again from a minor party, this
Speaker 2: is the way you get the message out right, which
Speaker 2: is people are on your Facebook pages, plus you've got
Speaker 2: all of those other socials. But the reality of a
Speaker 2: lot people is that this is going to be their
Speaker 2: source of information. So let's talk about the game. You know,
Speaker 2: any lie will do.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So you can see clearly what Donald Trump has
Speaker 11: done in America with going on live podcasts and how
Speaker 11: that changed the game of American politics. And it's understandable
Speaker 11: that labor and liberal are also going to try and
Speaker 11: have a social media game out there and you can
Speaker 11: see that by how much they're focusing on TikTok at
Speaker 11: the moment. It'd be interesting to see how much Liberal
Speaker 11: has spent compared to labor, because Liberals are doing better
Speaker 11: at the moment on TikTok, but that's because young people
Speaker 11: generally are voting for labor, and so Liberal party does
Speaker 11: have to reach those young people. However they may be
Speaker 11: able to, so it'll be interesting to see. But I
Speaker 11: think the minor parties use it a little bit more
Speaker 11: efficiently because it's our biggest stomping ground and it's our
Speaker 11: town square.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, there's a collection of people in sort of there's
Speaker 2: the podcast world. Podcast World in Australia not as big
Speaker 2: as it is in the United States in terms of
Speaker 2: your capacity to go around the gatekeeper. There's lots of
Speaker 2: influences and I don't know whether they are just all in,
Speaker 2: whether they're being paid, whether there's a partner whatever, right,
Speaker 2: but they seem to have the talking points of the
Speaker 2: government down pat and they're starting to turn up in
Speaker 2: people's feeds.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 2: What I find really effective right in social media and
Speaker 2: you saw, you know what, You're cheering on the person
Speaker 2: who's doing it, so say, in a Trump right, all
Speaker 2: the people who were pro Trump, they were taking quotes
Speaker 2: of stupid things people in the government had said, right,
Speaker 2: stupid things of this public servant, stupid things about you know,
Speaker 2: and then of course they had the president falling up
Speaker 2: the stairs and the word salad all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I don't see that coming through from the Libs about
Speaker 2: you know, reminding everyone of every little thing over the
Speaker 2: past couple of years, generally speaking, is it? Do people
Speaker 2: have to be cautious here that the internet is a
Speaker 2: far more left wing place in Australia than the right
Speaker 2: wing strength that was there in America.
Speaker 13: I think the impact of social media in terms of
Speaker 13: any positive impact or any sort of coherent impact, if
Speaker 13: you like, is grossly overstated. Now I don't have all
Speaker 13: the stats, and you know, I'm not the matrix. I
Speaker 13: can't tell you every single detail, but you know that
Speaker 13: I've just been locked out of my Instagram account incidentally, right,
Speaker 13: I just got hacked up for that, so I'm very
Speaker 13: happy to be liberated from that as well.
Speaker 12: I'm now completely social media free. Never felt better.
Speaker 13: If I want to know what's going on in the world,
Speaker 13: I asked my barber and he says people want change.
Speaker 13: And I said, does that mean a change of government
Speaker 13: or that they want the government to change what it's doing?
Speaker 13: And he goes, mate, they just want change. Does it
Speaker 13: have to be changing government?
Speaker 1: Of the words that whoever uses the word change that,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 13: That actually really lived zeitgeist. They do want Albanezi to
Speaker 13: do better. They do want him to be seen to
Speaker 13: be taking this more seriously, provide big solutions.
Speaker 12: That doesn't necessarily equate to a change of government.
Speaker 13: All the social media stuff, I think people like to
Speaker 13: get into all these algorithms and everything, and the left
Speaker 13: likes to think they can gain it, and people like
Speaker 13: get Up and their little sort of influence of people
Speaker 13: that can reach those hard to get to, you know,
Speaker 13: men males between sixteen and twenty.
Speaker 12: Five or whatever.
Speaker 13: I mean, if that was actually any good for the left,
Speaker 13: why have the Libs just been in power for a decade?
Speaker 13: Good point, they killed their own prime minister three times
Speaker 13: in a row.
Speaker 12: Like if get.
Speaker 1: Up was effective, well, get up and gone.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 13: Why are we looking at the first one term, first
Speaker 13: term government left in government in a century?
Speaker 1: Goodluck?
Speaker 13: If you're any good at it, why are we so
Speaker 13: absolutely eft good point.
Speaker 1: Thank you mate, do appreciate it. Thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for holding bak.
Speaker 2: You can hear his podcast on an over podcast system
Speaker 2: and also well Christin Abrams will see you again here
Speaker 2: online very soon. Quick break back with more. Let's have
Speaker 2: a chat about a Green MP who's not a huge.
Speaker 1: Fan of the Australian flag. I'll explain why I think
Speaker 1: that's the case next.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think that any Australian politician would not be
Speaker 2: proud to fly the Australian flag. But that is exactly
Speaker 2: what is happening in a person who, according to some
Speaker 2: of the polie, might be a one term wonder. One
Speaker 2: of the people who is hopefully going to make this
Speaker 2: Greens MP in and around Brisbane a one term wonder
Speaker 2: is none other than Maggie Forrest and she joins us
Speaker 2: now from Queensland. Hello Maggie, Hi Paul, how are you
Speaker 2: very good? So we're talking about one of the Greens
Speaker 2: rat bags. This one in particular is Elizabeth Watson Brown. Now,
Speaker 2: she's not exactly the most excited person in Australia to
Speaker 2: be flying the Australian flag.
Speaker 1: Tell me about how she treats our national symbol.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, I'm a proud Australian. I love our country and
Speaker 14: Ryan is home to thousands of people who feel the same.
Speaker 14: It's home to thousands of defense families with Annagra Barracks
Speaker 14: at its heart. Yet we've got a Greens MP who
Speaker 14: refuses to fly the Australian flag.
Speaker 5: She hates the flag so much she won't fly it
Speaker 5: in her office.
Speaker 14: She disrespects all those people in Ryan who are proud
Speaker 14: of our country and our flag, and in particular our
Speaker 14: defense servicemen and women.
Speaker 2: And of course there are an extra issue here where
Speaker 2: it's not just her choice about what she does or
Speaker 2: doesn't put in her office. Federal MPs are a source
Speaker 2: of Australian flags for an awful lot of people. Some
Speaker 2: MPs have a position which is made just walk past
Speaker 2: and say the name Australia and they'll give you a flag.
Speaker 2: What's her position on giving out Australian flags.
Speaker 14: I'm hearing now that her office is refusing to give
Speaker 14: out Australian flags, whether it's to individuals, community groups, even.
Speaker 5: To RSLs who ask for them.
Speaker 14: They say that they're prioritizing their budget elsewhere, which I
Speaker 14: think is absolutely appalling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean prioritizing the budget of travel to protests
Speaker 2: or all sorts of other things. The idea of not
Speaker 2: doing out the Australian flag. What do you think that
Speaker 2: this means as a sign of the type of person
Speaker 2: who Okay, we get it progressive politics, but how does
Speaker 2: progressive politics get to the point where you're not even
Speaker 2: proud of the symbols of the country that you are
Speaker 2: part of writing the laws.
Speaker 14: For Absolutely and the current Greens MP for Ryan marketed
Speaker 14: herself as a quote independent coming into the last election,
Speaker 14: but the reality is she's just as extreme as people
Speaker 14: like Adam Bant and Max Chandler Mayber. She fully supports
Speaker 14: their policies to defund defense by over thirty percent, to
Speaker 14: decriminalize hard drugs like heroine and ice, defund the police.
Speaker 14: We had the pro Hamas encampment down at UQ, which
Speaker 14: is also in Ryan, last year, and the Greens MP
Speaker 14: lent her support to those protesters by lending her marquees.
Speaker 14: They were in fact flying the flag of a registered
Speaker 14: terrorist organization, the PFLP.
Speaker 5: And my question is is.
Speaker 14: Elizabeth Watson Brown more comfortable with the flag of a
Speaker 14: registered terrorist organization than she is with the Australian flag.
Speaker 1: It is extraordinary. Well, well I got you here.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what you'd like to do if you
Speaker 2: get the chance to be in parliament. Why do you
Speaker 2: want to become a politician?
Speaker 14: Well, I'm Ryan born and bred. It's where I'm raising
Speaker 14: my young son Henry, with my husband Chris. But under
Speaker 14: the Greens. Over the last three years, I've seen things
Speaker 14: go backwards. People are telling me they're struggling to pay
Speaker 14: their mortgages and rent. I see small businesses all around
Speaker 14: us struggling to make ends meet, and even closing a
Speaker 14: cafe that's been in the gap for the last twenty years.
Speaker 14: The owner's telling me he's driving ubers on the weekend
Speaker 14: just to make ends meet. And just down the road
Speaker 14: from me in Chapel Hill, Chaffee's Bakery closed recently after
Speaker 14: six and a half years because of the rising cost
Speaker 14: of doing business.
Speaker 5: So I decided to put my hand up because enough
Speaker 5: was enough.
Speaker 14: I've spent I'm a barrister and I've spent my life prosecuting,
Speaker 14: standing up for victims. I got to work in the
Speaker 14: office of the Prosecutor in the Yukoslav Tribunal in the Hague,
Speaker 14: and I want to be that strong voice for the
Speaker 14: people of Ryan to deliver for them.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 2: Well here impressive, very much so, which leads me low
Speaker 2: on last question here, why do you think Peter dutton
Speaker 2: will end up winning this election?
Speaker 14: Peter Dutton's the strong leader that we need when the
Speaker 14: people of Australia are waking up to the fact that
Speaker 14: Anthony Alberizi is a weak and incompetent leader. A vote
Speaker 14: for any other party other than the Coalition at the
Speaker 14: next election is a vote for a coalition of chaos
Speaker 14: between Labor and the Greens and more of their extreme policies.
Speaker 2: How good is this, Maggie Forrest, write the name down.
Speaker 2: I got a feel and we'll be saying it for
Speaker 2: a little while to come. How can people help out
Speaker 2: your campaign? Volunteer anything else? What are your socials? How
Speaker 2: do people stay in.
Speaker 1: Touch with you?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 14: I'm on all the socials, Instagram, Maggie Forest, LMP, Facebook,
Speaker 14: even TikTok I ventured into. We'd love you to follow,
Speaker 14: follow along, give us a like and if you're in Brisbane,
Speaker 14: any help that we can get from volunteers will always
Speaker 14: take it.
Speaker 2: Good on you, Maggie, All the best for the next
Speaker 2: few weeks made fingers crossed. The people are Ryan, see sense,
Speaker 2: get rid of a Green, go past the Labor Party.
Speaker 1: And put yourself into the parliament. Good on your nice
Speaker 1: to talk to you.
Speaker 5: You two. Thanks Paul, good stuff.
Speaker 1: See tomorrow. Our special guest is always Meghan Kelly.