WEBVTT - Sharri | 11 September

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the show tonight, full coverage of the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>Camala debate. We'll cross live to Washington. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>have the Republican spokeswoman on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, is the.

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<v Speaker 3>Party happy with how Trump haddled the presidential debate? We'll

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<v Speaker 3>get the insiders take, Plus I'll go through the top

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<v Speaker 3>moments from the debate with Michael Kroger and Gary Hargrave.

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<v Speaker 3>But first to the protests in Melbourne today.

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<v Speaker 2>What a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>Police doused in acid and horse manure, bins set on fire,

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<v Speaker 3>rocks and rotten apples, tomatoes hurled, and balloons reportedly filled

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<v Speaker 3>with vomit throne. Can these pro Palestinian and other radical

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<v Speaker 3>protesters get any more vile? The scenes that we saw

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<v Speaker 3>on the streets of Melbourne today were nothing short of despicable,

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<v Speaker 3>an out of control protest where the woke set who

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<v Speaker 3>claimed to be against conflict really lost the plot. They're

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<v Speaker 3>so woke that they demand someone is counseled if they

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<v Speaker 3>don't get their pronouns right. Yet they're happy to violently

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<v Speaker 3>hurl objects at the police, dows police in liquid acid,

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<v Speaker 3>and engage.

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<v Speaker 2>In animal cruelty to horses and all.

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<v Speaker 3>On the anniversary of the September eleventh terror attacks. The

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<v Speaker 3>Daily Mail called it our day of shame and it

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<v Speaker 3>was forty two arrested so far. Out of the fifteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Who took to the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty seven police officers required medical treatment and police were

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<v Speaker 3>left with no option but to use rubber bullets and

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<v Speaker 3>capsicum spray to control this unruly lot, tactics not used

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<v Speaker 3>since the COVID lockdown, and then the protesters had the

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<v Speaker 3>hide to complain. They felt sorry for themselves, posting photographs

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<v Speaker 3>online of their bruises.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see here you go, they're quite literally throwing

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<v Speaker 4>things at the police as they're trying to do their job.

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<v Speaker 5>That was really difficult to see.

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<v Speaker 3>This protest was meant to be an anti war rally,

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<v Speaker 3>but these protesters are obviously not against conflict if this

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<v Speaker 3>is how they behave, and it makes a mockery of

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<v Speaker 3>the cause they claimed to support. The protests were so

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<v Speaker 3>vile they even shocked the Prime Minister and Victorian Premier

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<v Speaker 3>Jacinta Allen, who publicly condemned them.

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<v Speaker 4>People have a.

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<v Speaker 6>Right to protest, but they should make sure that they

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<v Speaker 6>do it in a respectful manner. This event is bringing

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<v Speaker 6>in a massive economic benefit to Victoria.

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<v Speaker 7>There is the right to protest peacefully, of course, but

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<v Speaker 7>to behave in such a disgraceful way towards members of

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<v Speaker 7>Victoria Police who were there doing their job.

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<v Speaker 4>They came with intent to provoke, to attack. What we

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<v Speaker 4>saw today was not peaceful and it.

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<v Speaker 3>All began during peak hour early this morning, when parents

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<v Speaker 3>were trying to rush kids to school and workers were

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get into the office. But should we be

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<v Speaker 3>surprised by this, because this is what happens when law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement failed to stop the Opera House protest or the

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<v Speaker 3>assaults by Palestinian activists at the Melbourne City town Hall steps.

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<v Speaker 3>What can Anthony Albanezi and Premieer just into Alan expect

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<v Speaker 3>when police have ignored or turned a blind eye to

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<v Speaker 3>the aggression, violence and lawlessness of the pro Palestinian mob

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<v Speaker 3>for months.

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<v Speaker 2>Today is the culmination.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what happens when activists think they run the town,

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<v Speaker 3>They don't believe they need to follow the law, and

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<v Speaker 3>each protest gets.

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<v Speaker 2>More and more violent.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let today be a wake up call to the

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister and the premiers to police and law enforcement agencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough is enough, and I'm going to get my panels

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<v Speaker 3>take on this a bit later. Michael, Michael Kroger will

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<v Speaker 3>join us from Melbourne and he's got a lot to

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<v Speaker 3>say on these vile events that unfolded today. But now

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<v Speaker 3>let's go to the fallout from the highly anticipated presidential debate.

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris has been widely nominated in the media as

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<v Speaker 3>the winner of the debate, while the moderators have been

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<v Speaker 3>panned for bias. From the first sentence Kamala uttered, it

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<v Speaker 3>was clear that she was going to ignore the questions

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<v Speaker 3>asked and get away with it. Instead, she gave carefully scripted,

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<v Speaker 3>rehearsed answers that suited her narrative. She turned questions about

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<v Speaker 3>her own policy backflips into stories about her childhood, and

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<v Speaker 3>then turned them into attacks on the former president. Her

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<v Speaker 3>preparation paid off, and this must have come as shock

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<v Speaker 3>to Team Trump. Kamala Harris had been afraid of giving

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<v Speaker 3>live interviews. She's, as you know, shied away from any

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<v Speaker 3>serious scrutiny. She even asked to be able to bring

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<v Speaker 3>notes into this debate.

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<v Speaker 2>She exceeded expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>She performed well, and the moderators allowed her to give

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<v Speaker 3>her spin without actually answering their questions. The same treatment

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<v Speaker 3>was not afforded to Donald Trump. Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>go through now the top moments from.

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<v Speaker 2>The debate and to analyze them.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger

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<v Speaker 3>and Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>Look.

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<v Speaker 2>The first, the first tough.

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<v Speaker 3>Question to Kamala Harris came forty minutes into the debate

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<v Speaker 3>and she was asked why her policy positions on many

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<v Speaker 3>issues had changed so dramatically. But instead of answering the question,

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<v Speaker 3>she used it as an opportunity to talk about her

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<v Speaker 3>values based on her mother and her family background, and

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<v Speaker 3>she then quite amazingly shifted the answer into an attack

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<v Speaker 3>on Trump for having four hundred million dollars. This was

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<v Speaker 3>quite something to watch, really for any politician.

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<v Speaker 8>Have a look Vice President Harrison. Your last run for president,

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<v Speaker 8>you said you wanted to ban fracking, Now you don't.

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<v Speaker 8>You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now

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<v Speaker 8>your campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings.

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<v Speaker 8>Now you're taking a harder line. I know you say

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<v Speaker 8>that your values have not changed, So then why have

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<v Speaker 8>so many of your policy positions changed?

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<v Speaker 9>The values I bring to the importance of home ownership,

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<v Speaker 9>knowing not everybody got handed four hundred million dollars on

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<v Speaker 9>a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times is

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<v Speaker 9>a value that I bring to my work just now.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala would have known this question was coming. It was an.

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<v Speaker 3>Obvious question, and we know that she was tucked away

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<v Speaker 3>for days preparing with her team, and her team crafted

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<v Speaker 3>away for her to turn a question that was meant

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<v Speaker 3>to scrutin has her own policies into an attack on

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<v Speaker 3>Trump without ever having to answer the questions about why

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<v Speaker 3>her policy positions had changed so drastically. Michael, this was

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<v Speaker 3>actually a masterful approach, and we saw the moderators just

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<v Speaker 3>let her get away with it.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely, and you can summarize the debate this way. Trump

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<v Speaker 10>was Trump ill prepared, rambling, and no killer punches for

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<v Speaker 10>her until right at the end. He let the debate

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<v Speaker 10>be about him and his presidency, and it was only

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<v Speaker 10>at the end he reminded people she'd been and vice

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<v Speaker 10>president for three and eighty years. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 10>she will have said to her advisors, I really don't

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<v Speaker 10>know what to do with this debate. Tell me what

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<v Speaker 10>I need to do, tell me what I need to say.

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<v Speaker 10>They crafted all of those phrases for how she'd appear.

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<v Speaker 10>That you should look at Trump during the debate, shake

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<v Speaker 10>his hand aggressively at the beginning, going over to him.

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<v Speaker 10>She was like an actor, as people have said, like

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<v Speaker 10>Robert Read in The Candidate, she just said to the advisors,

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<v Speaker 10>tell me what I need to do, and say she

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<v Speaker 10>did it, And I thought she did it very well.

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<v Speaker 10>If there's any dubster who won the debate, if you

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<v Speaker 10>understand betting odds, she went from two dollars fourteen and

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<v Speaker 10>during the debate her odds shortened. She ended up at

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<v Speaker 10>a dollar ninety one. So all during the debate, the

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<v Speaker 10>betting markets were saying, she's winning this debate, and the

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<v Speaker 10>bad news of Trump is I think she did. There

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<v Speaker 10>were low expectations and she exceeded them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and don't forget, of course that it's reported that

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<v Speaker 3>she has the best strategic advisors from the team Barack

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<v Speaker 3>Obama around her as well, so she has the best

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<v Speaker 3>people who are helping.

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<v Speaker 2>Her prepare for this. But Gary, her preparation paid off.

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<v Speaker 3>And it looked like Trump just didn't have answers worked

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<v Speaker 3>out to some of the attack lines that were clearly

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<v Speaker 3>going to come his way.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, except Trump was a little more home spun the

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<v Speaker 11>usual Trump staff and Hollywood. Harris was just following the

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<v Speaker 11>directions she got from the people who were directing her,

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<v Speaker 11>and she did. She learned a line, she came up

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<v Speaker 11>with a few attack points, she kept coming back to it.

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<v Speaker 11>I watched how she wanted to get to certain Crutch phrases,

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<v Speaker 11>which then triggered a thought in her mind. I think

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<v Speaker 11>she was too scripted. I don't think she was genuine.

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<v Speaker 11>I think she was making stuff up. And I think

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<v Speaker 11>there was something like seventeen lies in the first few

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<v Speaker 11>minutes of that according to some commentators. Look, Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 11>won the debate as well, so did Joe Biden. When

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<v Speaker 11>you know, you stop and look at it, you just

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<v Speaker 11>know there's a long way to go. I don't think

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<v Speaker 11>it's moved the needle one way or the other. Trump

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<v Speaker 11>supporters will be angry with the moderators, and rightly so,

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<v Speaker 11>and Harris supporters will think this is a pyrrhic victory,

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<v Speaker 11>But I don't know whether it actually achieves what they want.

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<v Speaker 11>Which is to win the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson, I mean the last debate.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, you know Biden did so poorly that it

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<v Speaker 3>effectively led to the end of his present, not his presidency,

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<v Speaker 3>but his candidacy. But you mentioned the moderators, so have

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<v Speaker 3>a look at this. Trump was hounded if he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>properly answer a.

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<v Speaker 12>Questions Springfield, Ohio, and ABCDWS did reach out to the

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<v Speaker 12>city manager there. He told us there had been no

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<v Speaker 12>credible reports of President Trump. As you know, the FBI

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<v Speaker 12>says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.

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<v Speaker 12>But you have said, quote you lost by a whisker

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<v Speaker 12>that you quote, didn't quote make it that you came

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<v Speaker 12>up a little bit short. You did bring up something

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<v Speaker 12>you said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin? Vice

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<v Speaker 12>President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Donald Trump himself came out afterwards. He went on

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Hannity's show afterwards and he said it was three

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<v Speaker 3>against one.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you agree with.

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<v Speaker 10>That, Oh, no doubt about that. You were watching it,

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<v Speaker 10>You're thinking this can't be right. But this is the

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<v Speaker 10>American you know, left wing press doing their best to

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<v Speaker 10>help Harris Win. But Trump didn't help himself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, I think she will be a hopeless president.

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<v Speaker 10>I think he's completely incapable of running the free world.

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<v Speaker 10>She's been invisible as a vice president. No one can

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<v Speaker 10>name a single achievement of hers. But Donald Trump was

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<v Speaker 10>ill disciplined, as I said, And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 10>it's the sign of Trump over eight years. I think

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<v Speaker 10>he says to people, you know, I've got here on

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<v Speaker 10>my own. I don't need to listen to all you people.

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<v Speaker 10>And you saw that performance today. He wasn't against someone

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<v Speaker 10>today who had early stage dementia. And she was clever

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<v Speaker 10>enough to say to her advisers, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 10>I'm doing, Tell me what I need to say, and

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<v Speaker 10>she did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, Meghan Kelly wrote a piece today where she said

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<v Speaker 3>that the head of ABC News, and it was ABC

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<v Speaker 3>News in the US that hosted this debate.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote that the head of ABC.

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<v Speaker 3>News, Dana Walden, is a close friend of Kamala's and

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<v Speaker 3>is apparently responsible for Kamalin meeting her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>So and Megan's argument is that it was actually a.

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<v Speaker 3>Mistake for the Republicans to agree to a debate on

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<v Speaker 3>the ABC, Gary Hargrave, what do you think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I've been on both sides of this.

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<v Speaker 11>I've been a politician, I've been an inquirer, as a

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<v Speaker 11>journalist or a reporter. Look, I just simply say to

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<v Speaker 11>you that Harris did what I always tell people in

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<v Speaker 11>politics to do. Answer the question you want to answer.

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<v Speaker 11>In other words, tell them what you want to tell him.

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<v Speaker 11>But the thing that these guys didn't do, the ABC

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<v Speaker 11>guys didn't do, and it's pretty evident they're supported by management,

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<v Speaker 11>which as you say, is close to.

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<v Speaker 1>Harris, is they just didn't pursue her.

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<v Speaker 11>They just gave her the easy run, the easy way,

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<v Speaker 11>and they just basically picked on Trump. Now, I've got

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<v Speaker 11>to tell you it's angered a lot of people at

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<v Speaker 11>the Trump base, and I think it's going to galvanize

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of people to get out the vote.

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<v Speaker 1>So, look, we will see.

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<v Speaker 11>There's another what six or eight weeks to go A

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<v Speaker 11>long way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>A week is a long time in politics. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>six or eight of those ahead of a Shari.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we do, indeed, But I still want to go

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<v Speaker 3>through some of the biggest moments from the debate today

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<v Speaker 3>because it might be the only debate that the two

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<v Speaker 3>of them do, and to me, it was clear that

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala had Trump on the defensive. He was defending his

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<v Speaker 3>record as president, and he wasn't really able to put

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<v Speaker 3>the focus back on her until right at the end.

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<v Speaker 3>She was able to present herself as a new candidate,

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<v Speaker 3>as though she weren't part of the Biden team, and

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<v Speaker 3>her very first answer in the debate set the tone.

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<v Speaker 3>The question was whether Americans were better off now than

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<v Speaker 3>they were three years ago in the cost of living crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you might ask the same question of our

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister alban Easy. But instead of answer that, Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris took the opportunity to speak about her personal background.

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<v Speaker 12>Have a look, Vice President Harris, you and President Trump

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<v Speaker 12>were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the

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<v Speaker 12>stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better

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<v Speaker 12>off than you were four years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to the economy?

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<v Speaker 12>Do you believe Americans are better off than they were

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<v Speaker 12>four years ago?

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<v Speaker 9>So I was raised as a middle class kid.

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<v Speaker 3>And she went on, I mean, Michael Craigan, this is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the biggest issues, the cost of living. She

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<v Speaker 3>didn't even pretend to try and answer.

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<v Speaker 10>It's right, that's right, that's right, that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I have to get away with telling a

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<v Speaker 3>story about your family background when you're asked about, you know, inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>In the cost of lipping.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, of course the moderators weren't intent on pursuing it.

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<v Speaker 10>But this is where Trump should have exactly. He had

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<v Speaker 10>a minute after that, of course, to answer you.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 10>Trump's whole problem is he is so ill disciplined. I mean,

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<v Speaker 10>politics is a very Gary knows as well as I do.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a very it's a very complex business in many respects,

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<v Speaker 10>and when you're in a presidential debate for your political life,

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<v Speaker 10>perhaps you don't know everything. Perhaps it's wise to say

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<v Speaker 10>to people, perhaps no strategy better than you. How do

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<v Speaker 10>you think this will play out? I'm absolutely sure from

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<v Speaker 10>having talked to people over the years in the Republican

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<v Speaker 10>Party that no one can tell Trump anything. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>As I said, he says, I got here on man,

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<v Speaker 10>I don't need you people, And you could tell that today, right,

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<v Speaker 10>he was lost. He's on about the dogs being eaten,

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<v Speaker 10>you know in all this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't pursue her.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, as I said, this was a debate about

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<v Speaker 10>Ronald Trump, not about her three and a half years

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<v Speaker 10>as vice president and wa Cherry, this is the first

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<v Speaker 10>time a lot of Americans will have actually seen her.

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<v Speaker 10>Most people don't know anything about her. I mean, most

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<v Speaker 10>people don't know she's vice president. This is the first

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<v Speaker 10>time they've seen her in a debate and listened to

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<v Speaker 10>her for an extended period of time because she's invisible elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 10>You can't see her apart from a clipper to rally,

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<v Speaker 10>and people have gone away thinking, Yeah, she wasn't too bad.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know what people are saying that she's done

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<v Speaker 10>or insipid or I don know. If she was out

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<v Speaker 10>there and she did quite.

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<v Speaker 1>A good job.

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<v Speaker 10>That'll be the takeout from today's debate. And if she's smart,

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<v Speaker 10>she will not do another debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although her.

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<v Speaker 3>Team have already immediately demanded a second debate, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>now Trump who hasn't agreed at this point of in time. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>abortion featured as the second topic after the cost of living,

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<v Speaker 3>which says something about how big this issue is in America,

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<v Speaker 3>unlike in Australia. Again, Trump was put under scrutiny, but

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala got away without answering the question about whether she's

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<v Speaker 3>supported late her abortions.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at that exchange.

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<v Speaker 13>You should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month,

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<v Speaker 13>ninth month, seventh month?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, would you do that? Why don't you ask that question?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the question which the question you.

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<v Speaker 13>Could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,

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<v Speaker 13>the ninth month.

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<v Speaker 3>Look Gary again, the moderators, they did fact check Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and they said there were no abortions which would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be murder after babies had been born.

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<v Speaker 3>But then they didn't follow up to ask Kamala the

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<v Speaker 3>question about whether she did support late term abortions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that they just swept over this.

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<v Speaker 11>And Sharry fact checking the fact checkers found that there

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<v Speaker 11>were five or six examples of that in fantaside, basically

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<v Speaker 11>after a baby's being born, after an abortion that went wrong.

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<v Speaker 11>I hate this subject by Jude, but I've been watching

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<v Speaker 11>and listening to the commentary on this, and all I'm

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<v Speaker 11>saying to is this that I think your analysis and

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<v Speaker 11>your interest in the specifics of this is only a

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<v Speaker 11>minute interest by comparison to a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 11>America who did watch this and listen closely, and I

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<v Speaker 11>think they will see through Kamala's phoniness and her bull

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<v Speaker 11>tish And you know, Michael's probably right that there's a

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<v Speaker 11>whole lot of you know, superfluous stuff that people thought

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<v Speaker 11>she wasn't too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>We're expecting it to fail. There was no words sued.

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<v Speaker 11>I get all of that, But when push comes to shoves,

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<v Speaker 11>she didn't answer questions that were important to Americans around

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<v Speaker 11>kitchen tables, like the cost of living, like the fact

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<v Speaker 11>that some things grocery items have gone to fifty to

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<v Speaker 11>eighty percent in America, just like they have here over

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<v Speaker 11>the last couple of years. Like the fact that American

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<v Speaker 11>jobs are being lost off shore because of things being

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<v Speaker 11>brought in from other countries, just like here.

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<v Speaker 1>The price of fuel gone through the roof, just like here.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, on all these different things that are real

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<v Speaker 11>to people, there were no real answers from Harris. And

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<v Speaker 11>I think she'll get marked down about this once people

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<v Speaker 11>start to really look at it and say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 11>she actually didn't tell me anything. Yeah, she looked Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 11>but you know, heavens, we've got you know, Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 11>and Barbara streisand Mark Hamill and all these people who

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<v Speaker 11>are just pumping for her. I think Americans are over it, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 11>I think they're over it, and I think that Trump

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<v Speaker 11>actually looks like the merchant of change again. If Americans

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<v Speaker 11>want change, that's where they're going to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about that analysis. But look, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to come back to this topic on the show. I've

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<v Speaker 3>got the Republican official spokeswoman coming on the show. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>see whether they were happy with the debate, what she

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<v Speaker 3>has to say about the minerators. Also, Adam Crichton's going

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<v Speaker 3>to join me live in Washington. But let's return now

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<v Speaker 3>to these vile, violent protests in Melbourne today. Absolute mayhem,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Croker. I mean, these protesters pretend they want peace,

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<v Speaker 3>but then they were so violent. I mean twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>police officers have had to have medical treatment police horses.

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<v Speaker 2>They were crawled to police horses.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet you many of these as his claim that

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<v Speaker 3>they're against animal cruelty.

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<v Speaker 10>So what people around Australia have to understand the Victoria

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<v Speaker 10>is we have about five thousand professional demonstrators in this state.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a Wednesday here, but we still had several thousand

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<v Speaker 10>not having to work and we're able.

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<v Speaker 1>To demonstrate Sherry.

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<v Speaker 10>Victoria has a mixture of Palestinian extremists, left wing fascists,

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<v Speaker 10>Neo Nazis, Aboriginal extremists, Antifa supporters, and anarchists. It's an

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<v Speaker 10>intersection of all of those people. So an anti war

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<v Speaker 10>demonstration the Palestinian flags are raging, but those groups of extremists,

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<v Speaker 10>and you add to that a few global warming extremists, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Etc.

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<v Speaker 10>That montage of people, that montage of hatred of the

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<v Speaker 10>West is the core of these demonstrations in Victoria. There's

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<v Speaker 10>about five thousand people that the Palestinian rally on Sunday

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<v Speaker 10>now that they're at the anti war rally today. Next

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<v Speaker 10>week a lot of them will be an extinction rebellion protests, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Center. That's about five thousand of them.

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<v Speaker 10>The problem with Victoria is this the state Victorian labor

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<v Speaker 10>government for ten years has let these extremists run a.

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<v Speaker 1>Muck in this state.

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<v Speaker 10>In the city of Melbourne, they've took powers away from

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<v Speaker 10>the police, including the move on laws that Robert Clark

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<v Speaker 10>brought in when he was Attorney General in the Bayu

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<v Speaker 10>government a decade ago. Right the state labor government are

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<v Speaker 10>in charge of policing in this state and they have

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<v Speaker 10>allowed this situation to occur.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is shocking that.

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<v Speaker 10>Young, young Australian only Victorian policemen and women have to

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<v Speaker 10>go to work and put up with this disgusting behavior.

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<v Speaker 10>Who would want to be a policeman or woman in

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<v Speaker 10>this state when you have an insipid week labor government

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<v Speaker 10>that is intimidated by extremists, as Albanize is intimidated by

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<v Speaker 10>a left wing extremes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just.

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<v Speaker 10>Cindra Allison, just surreleant, stand up to these left wing extremists, ploase.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand up to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the culmination of ten to eleven months now

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<v Speaker 3>of just being weak or taking no action, barely any

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<v Speaker 3>arrests on people who are being openly violent on the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how many politicians officers have we seen seriously

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<v Speaker 3>targeted violence graffiti? How many rests have been made from those?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if there have been, it's not been in

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<v Speaker 3>a big public way. So there's no deterrence here. Gary,

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<v Speaker 3>don't you think this is part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 11>And look in Victoria does have a huge protest organization,

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<v Speaker 11>There's no doubt about it. It's twenty four years today

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<v Speaker 11>since the s eleven riots against the West basically took

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<v Speaker 11>place in Melbourne when the were World Economic Forum. I've

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<v Speaker 11>got a few years about that, but they were meeting

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<v Speaker 11>in Melbourne twenty four years ago, September of two thousand and.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I know.

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<v Speaker 11>I just simply say to you, this is a tradition,

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<v Speaker 11>This is a second generation of the same anarchists. And

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<v Speaker 11>Michael's right, there are people who just hate the West.

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<v Speaker 11>They look for any excuse to disorient the West. And

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<v Speaker 11>yet we're talking about a gathering of people who are

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<v Speaker 11>selling munitions arms a credible event. We had the same

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<v Speaker 11>thing in Brisbane a couple of years ago and the

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<v Speaker 11>same sort of things happened there. The Greens are at

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<v Speaker 11>the heart of this. They give comfort to all of this.

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<v Speaker 11>But it's the radical anarchist, the people who just hate Australia.

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<v Speaker 11>They look for any excuse to come out. And as

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<v Speaker 11>I said, twenty four years ago, today, the same thing

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<v Speaker 11>was happening in Melbourne, the same thing, and of course

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<v Speaker 11>since then the only rubber bullets that have been fired

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<v Speaker 11>have been at COVID protesters.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's just Melbourne has lost its way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sad.

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<v Speaker 11>The great city of Melbourne is now the place to flea.

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<v Speaker 11>That's what the number plate should say, Victoria the place

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<v Speaker 11>to flea.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real problem.

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<v Speaker 11>And until there's a change of government down there, there's

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<v Speaker 11>not going to be any change of approach on this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, and it comes down ultimately to political leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>Were yet to see whether the protests.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, tomorrow might be as bad as today. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we just don't know, we hope not.

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<v Speaker 3>Just quickly before we go, I want to finish on

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<v Speaker 3>a story by my colleague Caroline Marcus. She revealed that

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<v Speaker 3>a University of Sydney's staff member who was put in

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<v Speaker 3>charge of managing complaints about the pro Palestinian protests along

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<v Speaker 3>with anti Semitic incidents on campus, actually appeared to have

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<v Speaker 3>posted anti Israel content online herself. According to Caroline's report,

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<v Speaker 3>she accused the Israeli government of genocide, and she dismissed

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<v Speaker 3>a complaint from a Jewish academic staff member about the

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<v Speaker 3>calls for Interfada, saying that it couldn't be classified as

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<v Speaker 3>hate speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>She has since been removed from the job, But imagine

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 3>someone who has an anti Israel position. According to what

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 3>she's posting online. Being in charge of managing complaints tells

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 3>you everything about the University of Sydney, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it does.

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<v Speaker 10>And congratulations to those Jewish students in Sydney who are

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<v Speaker 10>campaigning for the removal of the appalling, discredited Mark Scott.

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 10>All strength to their arm. I hope they succeed. But

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 10>what do you think, what do you expect under under

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 10>Mark Scott? Whose performance has been disgraceful. He's brought enormous

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 10>discredit upon Sydney University, which is now must be plummeting

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 10>in the rankings of universities of prestige. The only performance

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.679
<v Speaker 10>worse than the Sydney University performance is that of the

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 10>Australian National University, who've since allowed a Hummas supporter who

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 10>was expelled to come back to campus. I mean, shame

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 10>on the A and U, Shame on these universities. And

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 10>I don't think you'll see all this behavior. By the way,

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 10>if Sarah Henderson, if Dutton's elected Prime Minister, Sarah Henderson

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 10>becomes Education Minister in this country, all this nonsense will

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 10>stop under her.

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they've certainly indicated they would be very tough on

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<v Speaker 3>this all right, Michael Croaker, Gary Hargrave, thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>your time. Now let's go live now to Washington. The

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 3>reaction has been from the presidential debate as we've been

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 3>discussing that Kamala Harris performed better than expected. Most people

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 3>say she won the debate, but we're not any clearer

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:20.920
<v Speaker 3>on her policy platforms. The Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 3>joins me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Adam, great to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Look you've written tonight in an article for The OS

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<v Speaker 3>that Donald Trump failed to link Kamala's poor record as

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 3>part of the current Biden administration sufficiently, and I think

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 3>this is right. He allowed her to present as a

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 3>fresh pair of hands.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, certainly, that's true. I mean he finished actually quite well.

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:47.640
<v Speaker 4>I thought at the end of the nine minute debate

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 4>he really emphasized the fact that she's been in this

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 4>administration for three and a half years, and so if

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 4>she has all these policy ideas, then you know, why

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 4>haven't they already been implemented? And so he finished well

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 4>on that, But you know, we had ninety minutes to

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 4>dwell on that, and I don't think he really did sufficiently.

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 4>So look, I think he appeared tired, he appeared angry,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 4>and as you just said, I think the expectations bar

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 4>for Harris was very low, and she exceeded it. She'd

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 4>been practicing for five days. You know, she's a polished

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 4>fifty nine year old politician. She's not an eighty one

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.159
<v Speaker 4>year old. So it was a much harder contest for

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump this time. And I just think that his

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 4>lack of preparation really showed on the night. He didn't

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 4>have any great one liners. You know, she had a

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 4>lot of one liners he didn't. So look, I think overall,

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 4>the you know, the fact that the Betty markets moved

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<v Speaker 4>away from Donald Trump from about you know, fifty four

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 4>percent chance of winning to forty seven percent chance over

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 4>the ninety percent, sorry, over the ninety minutes. Rather, I

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 4>think that basically sums up the outcome.

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>For the night.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the debates are incredibly important because, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>apart from the news that you hear in the media

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 3>and people might just get snippets of things here and

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.640
<v Speaker 3>here and there, this was an opportunity for millions of Americans,

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 3>some undecided voters, to tune in and hear directly from

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Trump and Kamala and the way Kamala presented, you know,

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 3>she was smiley. She might have won over some female voters.

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 3>She presented as a more palatable option, perhaps, whereas Trump

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 3>might have seemed a bit more aggressive or even angry,

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 3>because Kamala did bait him. She attacked him multiple times,

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 3>and he took the bait. She was almost deliberately trying

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>to get him annoyed. You know, she said, world leaders

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 3>are embarrassed by him. She said, you know, top military

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 3>figures say that he's a disgrace. No one goes to

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 3>his rallies. People not no one goes there, but people

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 3>get bored and leave early. All these things that you

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 3>could see got to him because he is an emotional figure.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 3>So do you think this debate, you know, would have

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<v Speaker 3>changed the minds of some undecided voters.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't really think so. I mean, and in

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<v Speaker 4>the history of presidential debates, they typically don't make much difference,

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 4>to be honest, with the actual outcome of the election.

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 4>I think we put so much focus on this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Be of course, what happened in June was so spectacular,

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 4>but we really didn't see anything like this. And look,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 4>this was actually the earliest presidential debate except for the

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 4>one in June, since two thousand and four. So there's

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 4>still fifty four to fifty five days to go until

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 4>the election. Plenty of time for stuff ups on both sides. Look,

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, I think for women, you know,

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, not that I can talk obviously not a woman,

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 4>but certainly to the extent that the issue of abortion

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 4>was a discussed, I think she spoke pretty well, and

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 4>I think Donald Trump probably really failed to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to prosecute the idea, which is a good one in

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 4>my view, that you know, that the issue is i

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 4>mean is now back with the states in the US,

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 4>and that's a very democratic outcome, if you like. But

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 4>he didn't really excel there. And yes, look as you say,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she baited him all over the place on

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 4>his criminal record, on crowd sizes, on his inheritance his father. Yes,

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 4>so look, he just wasn't prepared.

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it put him on the defense of the whole time. Adam,

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I want to go to one of the most crazy

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 3>moments that has got now a lot of media coverage

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 3>out of the debate, and that of course, is when

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump said that immigrants were eating.

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Their pets, their cats and dogs.

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 3>This has been on social media for a couple of

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 3>days and Jadie Vance posted about it. But then Jadie

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Vance kind of walked it back a little bit and

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 3>said it might not be right. Let's have a look

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 3>at what Trump actually said in Springfield.

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 13>They're eating the dogs the people that came in, They're

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 13>eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 13>the people that live there. And this is what's happening

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 13>in our country. And it's a shame.

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<v Speaker 3>Adam, this was a gift to Kamala Harris. The border

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 3>crisis is an issue that plays in Trump's favor, but

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>instead of prosecuting that, now everyone's speaking about is this

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>exactly probable conspiracy theory that migrants are eating people's pets.

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, I mean it is, you know, it does

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 4>seem fairly unlikely, although in Trump's defense, that is what

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 4>some locals have been saying on video at at local

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 4>council meetings. But I mean, to your point, this is

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 4>a really good example I think of where Trump, you know,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.719
<v Speaker 4>could have really hit her hard rhetorically. I mean, the

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 4>population of that town, Springfield, has gone from fifty eight thousand,

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, to eighty thousand in about three years because

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 4>of haitient immigration. It was clearly unwanted by the local community.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's that's a thirty three percent increase in

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 4>the population, which you know, I mean for any community

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 4>is going to be unbearable. And yet he did not

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 4>bring up those figures. I mean, to me, that was

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 4>that was very, very silly. He should have talked about

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 4>the numbers, you know, the draw on local social services,

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 4>et cetera. But of course instead he focused on pets,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 4>which you know naturally prompted all the pundits afterwards to

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 4>say that he was making up conspiracy theories et cetera.

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 4>You know, whether they're true or not, I know, we

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 4>might find out in the future. But look, it's a

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 4>real area where he failed. I think that's his strongest area.

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Certainly, Yeah, it is his strongest area, along with the economy.

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 3>But you know, he just didn't prosecute the case. Tonight,

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Adam Crichton, great to see you. We will read your

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 3>full analysis in The Australian tomorrow.

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>It's up online now all right, still to come.

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Last night, we expose the farce of the Prime Minister's

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 3>pledge over a social media ban. This is all spin

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 3>and no substance, right out of the political satire. The

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Holo men will Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman will join

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 3>me next. Plus the Coalition accuses Labor of bad mouthing

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 3>the RBA governor. Is this critical relationship on the brink.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to discuss this with my political panel in

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 3>a moment. Welcome back. Well, the countdown is on for

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister to legislate his new social media ban.

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 3>But as I mentioned last night, this is going to

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>be very difficult for the government because it lacks so

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 3>much detail. Labor couldn't get its stories straight out, and

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Easy was saying one thing about the age range his

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 3>communication minister was saying another. And the tender for the

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 3>company to run the trial doesn't even come back until October.

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Well to discuss let's bring it now, Shadow Communications Minister

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 3>David Coleman.

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<v Speaker 2>David, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, this is quite extraordinary that the Prime Minister announced this,

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 3>did a television breakfast blitz, but then there was no

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 3>policy to back this up.

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>There was no age that he'd nominated, and he's saying

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>legislation will be introduced by the end of the year.

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 3>But do you think that's going to be possible given

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 3>the trial that he's talking about isn't going to start

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 3>until at least mid October.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, it's hard to see how they do it. As Shari,

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 14>it's completely an art to leave fascicle. So you know

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.719
<v Speaker 14>what's happened here is the Prime Minister's realized he's losing

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 14>on this issue. He's behind on the issue. The Coalition's

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 14>been pursuing this issue for a long time. Premium Alnowskis

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 14>has from South Australia as well, and he's gone, okay,

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 14>we'll do an announcement. We'll say we're going to do

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 14>age verification for social media, tick, and everything will be fine.

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 14>But as you said, they've done absolutely no work on

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 14>this and they haven't even started the process of a

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 14>trial for age verification technology. They announced the trial back

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 14>in May. They put out the tender for the trial yesterday.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 14>People don't even have to respond to the tender until

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 14>the seventh of October.

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is just ridiculous.

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 14>How can you have an age verification policy for social

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.840
<v Speaker 14>media when you don't know what the age will be like?

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 14>It is just the most fundamental point.

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 3>And then the minister, the Communications Minister, Michelle Roland said, well,

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 3>she might introduce legislation without the age limit in it.

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>So what would that legislation actually be.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, who knows. I think they're making it up as

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 14>they go along. I mean, this is, as you said,

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 14>this is like something from political satire. Peter Darton, in contrast,

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 14>came out in June very clearly said the Coalition will

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 14>do this, will do it within one hundred days of

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 14>being elected and the age will be sixteen. So no

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 14>ambiguity from Peter Dutton, a clear strong position. Sitting here today,

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 14>we've got a government that says they're going to do this,

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 14>but it hasn't done any work on it and has

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.840
<v Speaker 14>absolutely no idea how to do it. And it's symptomatic

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 14>of the government more generally, you know, weak, indecisive, driven

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 14>by events, flapping in the breeze, and that's no way

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 14>to run a country.

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 3>It was one of the worst cases of a political

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 3>announcement I've seen that has no detail behind it. I

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 3>couldn't believe so much of the media failed to call

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 3>this out. You just said it was like a political satire. Well,

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 3>it was like this scene. I showed this last night,

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 3>but I've got to show it again because it is

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 3>such an accurate depiction.

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Have a look at this from the hollow men.

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we're at the press release stage.

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 15>Come on, math, We're always at the press release stage.

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 3>But what are we announcing?

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister declares war on a childhood a visa.

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:08.280
<v Speaker 5>But that's just the line.

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 16>What comes next?

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's your job. Well that's what you get paid

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>for to come up with all the other pages.

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.919
<v Speaker 15>Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan.

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 8>There is no plan.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>We've announced it and people love it.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 16>Nothing has been decided.

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>It's actually an indictment on the media.

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 3>And I don't like to criticize the media that he

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 3>was able to do a TV television breakfast let Sunrise

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<v Speaker 3>Today Show ABC and multiple interviews with journalists without anyone

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<v Speaker 3>actually pointing.

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<v Speaker 2>Out that the trial for the tender for the trial

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<v Speaker 2>that he.

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<v Speaker 3>Kept talking about doesn't even return to until October, so

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<v Speaker 3>there's no way in a month and a half he

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<v Speaker 3>can have the trial done, conducted and the legislation wrapped up.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is just the press gallery bought

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 3>the spin?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 14>Look, I think that because it's such an important an issue.

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 14>You can understand the media, you know, being interested to

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 14>talk to the Prime Minister about it. I think as

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 14>those first few moments of fallen by the wayside and

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 14>people have started to look into this, the general view

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 14>is complete skepticism. I mean, everyone in this building sees

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 14>this for what it is.

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is a.

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<v Speaker 14>Joke and it's a shame because this is a really

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 14>serious issue. The issue of social media and what it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing is massive.

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<v Speaker 14>And that's why you know, as you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 14>very focused on this for a long time, so as

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<v Speaker 14>Peter Dutton. That's why the Coalition took stock such a

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<v Speaker 14>strong stand on this month ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got a Prime.

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<v Speaker 14>Minister that had actually opposed the age verification trial that

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 14>we tried to legislate back in November, walked into the

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 14>Parliament and the Labor Party voted against it. Six months

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 14>later they said okay, we'll do the trial, and then

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 14>four and a half months later they hadn't even put

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 14>out the tender. And you know, this is the sense

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 14>the essence of this government. You know, it's one thing

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 14>to put out a press release, it's another to actually govern.

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 14>And they have just no idea how to govern.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, David Coleman, thank you very much for your time. Now,

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 3>still coming up on the show is the Republican Party

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 3>happy with Trump's performance and the presidential debate? Will an

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 3>insider would join me? Plus Labor accused of bad mouthing

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 3>the RBA governor. I'll get into that with my political

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:31.959
<v Speaker 3>panel next. Plenty more to get through tonight, so let's

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<v Speaker 3>bring in National Senate Leader Bridget McKenzie and former Press

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary to Julie Gillard Darren Barnette. Welcome to you both. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>tension between the IBA and Labor seems to be continuing.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a big issue in Parliament today. The Treasurer

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<v Speaker 3>denies there's any rift, despite his failure to criticize Wayne

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Swan's harsh assessment.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a quick look.

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<v Speaker 17>You know, I have a respectful working relationship with Governor

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<v Speaker 17>Bullock and with her colleagues. As Governor Bullock has made

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<v Speaker 17>it clear on a number of eleag we work well together.

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 17>We've got the same objective, we've got different responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 3>Bridget, what do you think do you think there is

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<v Speaker 3>a genuine rift here between the government and the IBA

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<v Speaker 3>and is this a concern for our economy?

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<v Speaker 15>Absolutely, Sharhie. You just saw the Treasurer act like a

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 15>very naughty boy who'd just been made to apologize. There

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 15>was absolutely no sincerity there. In fact, he got his

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 15>father out, Wayne Swan this week to back him in

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<v Speaker 15>and sort of do the tough talking that Jim was

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 15>felt he was unable to do. I mean, it isn't

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<v Speaker 15>just the Coalition, it's economists, it's former leaders in our

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 15>country that have said this discussion and debate that Jim

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 15>Chalmers has been driving in the public sphere against the

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 15>Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock has been appalling, has un

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<v Speaker 15>mind the credibility of the economic partnership that they're supposed

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 15>to have with government, and they're both pulling in the

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 15>wrong directions. The fact remains, and Jim doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 15>own up to the fact that he is the Treasurer

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<v Speaker 15>and that means he is responsible for our economy and

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 15>when Australians are doing it as tough as they are,

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 15>and they're feeling they're doing it tough because real wages

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 15>are going backwards and standard of living has dropped nearly

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 15>ten percent. So it's a fact the Reserve Bank only

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 15>has one very blunt lever. Jim has a lot of

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 15>tools in his toolkit, he's refusing to use them. It's

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 15>one thing to write a PhD about Paul keating a

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<v Speaker 15>former treasurer. It's another one to actually start acting like one.

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<v Speaker 15>And unfortunately he's been left wanting and now he's just

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 15>making excuses for his bad behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>Darren, do you think Wayne Swan's comments would have put

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<v Speaker 3>Jim Chalmers in a difficult position because they are close.

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<v Speaker 16>I think they did put him in a difficult position.

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<v Speaker 16>I don't think that Wayne cleared them through head offers.

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 16>I suspect you just said what he thought, and Wayne

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<v Speaker 16>is in that phase of his career where in many

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 16>ways he can do that. But Jim needs to be responsible.

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 16>It's an important job and Jim takes it very seriously.

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<v Speaker 16>You obviously have known Jim for a long time. He

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<v Speaker 16>takes his job very seriously and he would not like

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 16>that kind of distraction. But equally, there is tension between

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<v Speaker 16>the Reserve Bank Board and the government about how we

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<v Speaker 16>need to ease that cost of pressure, a cost of

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<v Speaker 16>living pressure for everyday families. I think the government is

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 16>sincerely hoping that the environment is right for rate cuts.

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 16>This side of the election, and that's really what this

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<v Speaker 16>is all about. What's the settings going to be when

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<v Speaker 16>we go to the polls early next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and at this point, I mean, everything can change,

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 3>but at this point it doesn't look like there.

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Will be happening soon enough, no, if at all, before

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the election.

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Now, I want to get both of your thoughts and

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 3>the horrific protests in Melbourne today, bridget You know a

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 3>lot of arrests that I and arrests police had to

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>have medical treatment. Do you think this is, as I do,

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 3>a failure of political leadership over time that has got

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 3>us to this point.

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<v Speaker 15>Look, Sharhi, you and I have talked about this for

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 15>a long period of time on this show, about police

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 15>across the country seeking to keep the peace instead of

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 15>upholding the law. And that's where we've seen some really

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 15>appalling public protests, particularly post October seventh here on the

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 15>streets of our major capitals on the East Coast in particular.

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 15>And you know, every single time people get away with

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 15>behaving badly, treating other Australians with contempt and disrespect, anti Semitism, rife.

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 15>They just these protesters who are all professionals, Let's face it,

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 15>go one step further, one step further, and now you

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 15>have appalling behavior is being thrown at our police force

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:07.280
<v Speaker 15>and that is absolutely unacceptable in a liberal democracy such

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 15>as ours. It's just incredible, these scenes.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the Australian has revealed that the Teals are deminding

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:21.959
<v Speaker 3>a seventy five percent emissions reduction target by twenty thirty five. Darren, Look,

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 3>it's one thing for the Teals to be ideological and

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 3>idealistic like this, but it's quite another to actually deliver

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 3>this in reality.

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 16>It's a glorious world when you're a protest vote and

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 16>the Greens have that luxury, and to a large extent,

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 16>the Teals have that luxury. But I guess what they're

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 16>doing is tilling the ground for what happens if there's

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 16>a hung parliament, and if there is, they're going to

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 16>have to pick a side. So that will be the

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 16>real test of what the Teals are made of, and

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 16>to some extent, what the Greens are made of is

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 16>what do they do if there's a hung parliament. They

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 16>hold Liberal seats, but a lot of their policy agenda

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 16>shifts fear progressive and left. So it's going to be

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 16>a fascinating time up until the election. Will the government

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 16>give a twenty thirty five target. I'm not sure that

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 16>they will, particularly when they have a.

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Twenty thirty one.

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<v Speaker 16>Clearly he doesn't want to, and I'm not sure that

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 16>it's to our national advantage given other countries won't put

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 16>one out there before the Brazil Summit late next year.

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 16>So it's jockeying for position in public policy terms.

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.800
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be interesting to see how I actually

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:33.720
<v Speaker 3>read bizarrely the Climate Change Authorities paper about what they're

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 3>thinking is around the twenty thirty five target and bridget

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 3>they had concerns that if you set a two ambitious

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 3>target there could be social and economic consequences.

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:46.280
<v Speaker 2>That's the Climate Change Authority.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 15>Well, I know, Shahi KOUI fantastic. The Climate Change Authority

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 15>is finally woken up to what the National Party in

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 15>the Liberal Party have been saying for a long time.

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 15>All on the journey, but let's not trash the joint

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.839
<v Speaker 15>and people and our country on the way through. What

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 15>you've heard from the teals with this claim is the

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 15>ticket price for the next Prime Minister of Australia. And

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 15>I know that Peter Dutton won't be prepared to pay

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 15>that and I do know that Anthony Albanezi will do

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 15>anything to stay in the lodge. And so this is

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 15>going to be critical going into the next selection that

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 15>you will have a prime minister, because all the polls

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 15>are pointing to a minority government. Labor government is going

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 15>to have to do a deal with the Teals and

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 15>the Greens, and that means the type of target that

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 15>is going to wreak havoc not just on our productive

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 15>capacity of our mining industry, but our agriculture that actually

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 15>our transport mechanisms etc. We're already not meeting the targets

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 15>we've set, We're already falling behind to twenty thirty. This

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 15>just shows how ridiculous the Teals policy settings are.

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, Bridget McKenzie, really appreciate your time tonight

0:45:59.440 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 3>in camera.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm Darren Barnette here in Sydney. Thank you.

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Now after the break and insiders take on how Republicans

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 3>thought Trump handled that debate that's coming up after this break. Well,

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 3>let's cross now to Florida, where I'm joined by RNC

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 3>spokesperson Elizabeth Pipcole's great to see you again. Look, what

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 3>is the sense in the Republican Party about how the

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 3>debate went. Most commentators and media outlets say this was

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 3>a win for Kamala, who performed better than expected. So

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 3>is there disappointment about Trump's performance tonight?

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 5>Rest of all, thank you for having me back. No,

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't say disappointment at all. I would say you're

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 5>right that people were surprised by Kamala Harris's performance. I

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 5>think the bar was set very very low with that

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 5>last debate, of course against Joe Biden, which as we know,

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 5>changed the state of the race. At the same time,

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 5>Karmla Harris had the bar set so low that people

0:46:57.920 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 5>are excited that she got through the debate. And I

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 5>think that that's what's disappointing, right. We wanted answers. I

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 5>think the American people deserve answers, and we left that

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:09.280
<v Speaker 5>debate with no answers, no clear context on where she stands,

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 5>why she changed so many of her views, and what

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 5>her plans are for the future, and how they would

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 5>differ in any way from the current administration where she

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 5>serves with Joe Biden. If we didn't get any of

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.439
<v Speaker 5>those answers, more Americans are divided than ever, as there's

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 5>anger about how the debate was moderated, and I truly

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.240
<v Speaker 5>think that last night did not go as the American

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 5>people deserved. And that's truly where my disappointment lies.

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:35.240
<v Speaker 3>Look, Kamala Harris was clearly very prepared, carefully crafted answers

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>to every single topic. Should the team around Trump have

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 3>prepared him more for this debate?

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 5>You know, I'd say the answer lies in the American people,

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 5>what they think and what they want. I don't think

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.720
<v Speaker 5>the American people were satisfied with what they got last night, truly.

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 5>When it comes to the answers of Kamala Harris, I

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 5>think having perfectly crafted responses, it doesn't actually, you know,

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.319
<v Speaker 5>lower your gas bill, it doesn't actually keep us from

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 5>World War three, which everyone talks about every day now,

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 5>doesn't make Americans feel safer. I think she had perfectly

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 5>crafted responses about everything that's wrong with Donald Trump. We

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.919
<v Speaker 5>saw insult after insult and low blow after low blow.

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 5>I was very disappointed. Actually, I didn't expect it to

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.799
<v Speaker 5>be that nasty that quickly. But I think preparing as

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 5>much as she did, to be as nasty as she

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 5>was to him personally, and not preparing to give the

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 5>American people the answers that they're looking for. I think

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 5>that was a mistake on her part. I think that

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 5>will backfire. At the same time, everyone deserves other candidates

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 5>to be prepared, and I appreciate the fact that it

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 5>was clear that she did prepare for the debate. I

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 5>just don't think it was in the way that she

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 5>should have prepared for someone that's currently serving as vice

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 5>president of this country.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And of course Taylor Swift came out right after

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<v Speaker 3>the debate. Presumably that was a planned moment to give

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<v Speaker 3>momentum in Kamala Harris's direction, and Taylor Swift, of course

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<v Speaker 3>endorsed Kamala Harris called her a warrior. Elizabeth Pipco, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you very much for your time tonight, and we'll have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more analysis tomorrow night on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you at eight o'clock. Right now, here's Paul Murray.