Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show tonight, full coverage of the Trump
Speaker 3: Camala debate. We'll cross live to Washington. I'm going to
Speaker 3: have the Republican spokeswoman on the show.
Speaker 2: Well, is the.
Speaker 3: Party happy with how Trump haddled the presidential debate? We'll
Speaker 3: get the insiders take, Plus I'll go through the top
Speaker 3: moments from the debate with Michael Kroger and Gary Hargrave.
Speaker 3: But first to the protests in Melbourne today.
Speaker 2: What a disgrace.
Speaker 3: Police doused in acid and horse manure, bins set on fire,
Speaker 3: rocks and rotten apples, tomatoes hurled, and balloons reportedly filled
Speaker 3: with vomit throne. Can these pro Palestinian and other radical
Speaker 3: protesters get any more vile? The scenes that we saw
Speaker 3: on the streets of Melbourne today were nothing short of despicable,
Speaker 3: an out of control protest where the woke set who
Speaker 3: claimed to be against conflict really lost the plot. They're
Speaker 3: so woke that they demand someone is counseled if they
Speaker 3: don't get their pronouns right. Yet they're happy to violently
Speaker 3: hurl objects at the police, dows police in liquid acid,
Speaker 3: and engage.
Speaker 2: In animal cruelty to horses and all.
Speaker 3: On the anniversary of the September eleventh terror attacks. The
Speaker 3: Daily Mail called it our day of shame and it
Speaker 3: was forty two arrested so far. Out of the fifteen hundred.
Speaker 2: Who took to the streets.
Speaker 3: Twenty seven police officers required medical treatment and police were
Speaker 3: left with no option but to use rubber bullets and
Speaker 3: capsicum spray to control this unruly lot, tactics not used
Speaker 3: since the COVID lockdown, and then the protesters had the
Speaker 3: hide to complain. They felt sorry for themselves, posting photographs
Speaker 3: online of their bruises.
Speaker 4: You can see here you go, they're quite literally throwing
Speaker 4: things at the police as they're trying to do their job.
Speaker 5: That was really difficult to see.
Speaker 3: This protest was meant to be an anti war rally,
Speaker 3: but these protesters are obviously not against conflict if this
Speaker 3: is how they behave, and it makes a mockery of
Speaker 3: the cause they claimed to support. The protests were so
Speaker 3: vile they even shocked the Prime Minister and Victorian Premier
Speaker 3: Jacinta Allen, who publicly condemned them.
Speaker 4: People have a.
Speaker 6: Right to protest, but they should make sure that they
Speaker 6: do it in a respectful manner. This event is bringing
Speaker 6: in a massive economic benefit to Victoria.
Speaker 7: There is the right to protest peacefully, of course, but
Speaker 7: to behave in such a disgraceful way towards members of
Speaker 7: Victoria Police who were there doing their job.
Speaker 4: They came with intent to provoke, to attack. What we
Speaker 4: saw today was not peaceful and it.
Speaker 3: All began during peak hour early this morning, when parents
Speaker 3: were trying to rush kids to school and workers were
Speaker 3: trying to get into the office. But should we be
Speaker 3: surprised by this, because this is what happens when law
Speaker 3: enforcement failed to stop the Opera House protest or the
Speaker 3: assaults by Palestinian activists at the Melbourne City town Hall steps.
Speaker 3: What can Anthony Albanezi and Premieer just into Alan expect
Speaker 3: when police have ignored or turned a blind eye to
Speaker 3: the aggression, violence and lawlessness of the pro Palestinian mob
Speaker 3: for months.
Speaker 2: Today is the culmination.
Speaker 3: This is what happens when activists think they run the town,
Speaker 3: They don't believe they need to follow the law, and
Speaker 3: each protest gets.
Speaker 2: More and more violent.
Speaker 3: Well, let today be a wake up call to the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister and the premiers to police and law enforcement agencies.
Speaker 3: Enough is enough, and I'm going to get my panels
Speaker 3: take on this a bit later. Michael, Michael Kroger will
Speaker 3: join us from Melbourne and he's got a lot to
Speaker 3: say on these vile events that unfolded today. But now
Speaker 3: let's go to the fallout from the highly anticipated presidential debate.
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris has been widely nominated in the media as
Speaker 3: the winner of the debate, while the moderators have been
Speaker 3: panned for bias. From the first sentence Kamala uttered, it
Speaker 3: was clear that she was going to ignore the questions
Speaker 3: asked and get away with it. Instead, she gave carefully scripted,
Speaker 3: rehearsed answers that suited her narrative. She turned questions about
Speaker 3: her own policy backflips into stories about her childhood, and
Speaker 3: then turned them into attacks on the former president. Her
Speaker 3: preparation paid off, and this must have come as shock
Speaker 3: to Team Trump. Kamala Harris had been afraid of giving
Speaker 3: live interviews. She's, as you know, shied away from any
Speaker 3: serious scrutiny. She even asked to be able to bring
Speaker 3: notes into this debate.
Speaker 2: She exceeded expectations.
Speaker 3: She performed well, and the moderators allowed her to give
Speaker 3: her spin without actually answering their questions. The same treatment
Speaker 3: was not afforded to Donald Trump. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go through now the top moments from.
Speaker 2: The debate and to analyze them.
Speaker 3: Let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger
Speaker 3: and Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave.
Speaker 2: Welcome, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: The first, the first tough.
Speaker 3: Question to Kamala Harris came forty minutes into the debate
Speaker 3: and she was asked why her policy positions on many
Speaker 3: issues had changed so dramatically. But instead of answering the question,
Speaker 3: she used it as an opportunity to talk about her
Speaker 3: values based on her mother and her family background, and
Speaker 3: she then quite amazingly shifted the answer into an attack
Speaker 3: on Trump for having four hundred million dollars. This was
Speaker 3: quite something to watch, really for any politician.
Speaker 8: Have a look Vice President Harrison. Your last run for president,
Speaker 8: you said you wanted to ban fracking, Now you don't.
Speaker 8: You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now
Speaker 8: your campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings.
Speaker 8: Now you're taking a harder line. I know you say
Speaker 8: that your values have not changed, So then why have
Speaker 8: so many of your policy positions changed?
Speaker 9: The values I bring to the importance of home ownership,
Speaker 9: knowing not everybody got handed four hundred million dollars on
Speaker 9: a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times is
Speaker 9: a value that I bring to my work just now.
Speaker 2: Kamala would have known this question was coming. It was an.
Speaker 3: Obvious question, and we know that she was tucked away
Speaker 3: for days preparing with her team, and her team crafted
Speaker 3: away for her to turn a question that was meant
Speaker 3: to scrutin has her own policies into an attack on
Speaker 3: Trump without ever having to answer the questions about why
Speaker 3: her policy positions had changed so drastically. Michael, this was
Speaker 3: actually a masterful approach, and we saw the moderators just
Speaker 3: let her get away with it.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, and you can summarize the debate this way. Trump
Speaker 10: was Trump ill prepared, rambling, and no killer punches for
Speaker 10: her until right at the end. He let the debate
Speaker 10: be about him and his presidency, and it was only
Speaker 10: at the end he reminded people she'd been and vice
Speaker 10: president for three and eighty years. On the other hand,
Speaker 10: she will have said to her advisors, I really don't
Speaker 10: know what to do with this debate. Tell me what
Speaker 10: I need to do, tell me what I need to say.
Speaker 10: They crafted all of those phrases for how she'd appear.
Speaker 10: That you should look at Trump during the debate, shake
Speaker 10: his hand aggressively at the beginning, going over to him.
Speaker 10: She was like an actor, as people have said, like
Speaker 10: Robert Read in The Candidate, she just said to the advisors,
Speaker 10: tell me what I need to do, and say she
Speaker 10: did it, And I thought she did it very well.
Speaker 10: If there's any dubster who won the debate, if you
Speaker 10: understand betting odds, she went from two dollars fourteen and
Speaker 10: during the debate her odds shortened. She ended up at
Speaker 10: a dollar ninety one. So all during the debate, the
Speaker 10: betting markets were saying, she's winning this debate, and the
Speaker 10: bad news of Trump is I think she did. There
Speaker 10: were low expectations and she exceeded them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't forget, of course that it's reported that
Speaker 3: she has the best strategic advisors from the team Barack
Speaker 3: Obama around her as well, so she has the best
Speaker 3: people who are helping.
Speaker 2: Her prepare for this. But Gary, her preparation paid off.
Speaker 3: And it looked like Trump just didn't have answers worked
Speaker 3: out to some of the attack lines that were clearly
Speaker 3: going to come his way.
Speaker 11: Yeah, except Trump was a little more home spun the
Speaker 11: usual Trump staff and Hollywood. Harris was just following the
Speaker 11: directions she got from the people who were directing her,
Speaker 11: and she did. She learned a line, she came up
Speaker 11: with a few attack points, she kept coming back to it.
Speaker 11: I watched how she wanted to get to certain Crutch phrases,
Speaker 11: which then triggered a thought in her mind. I think
Speaker 11: she was too scripted. I don't think she was genuine.
Speaker 11: I think she was making stuff up. And I think
Speaker 11: there was something like seventeen lies in the first few
Speaker 11: minutes of that according to some commentators. Look, Hillary Clinton
Speaker 11: won the debate as well, so did Joe Biden. When
Speaker 11: you know, you stop and look at it, you just
Speaker 11: know there's a long way to go. I don't think
Speaker 11: it's moved the needle one way or the other. Trump
Speaker 11: supporters will be angry with the moderators, and rightly so,
Speaker 11: and Harris supporters will think this is a pyrrhic victory,
Speaker 11: But I don't know whether it actually achieves what they want.
Speaker 11: Which is to win the presidency.
Speaker 2: Wilson, I mean the last debate.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know Biden did so poorly that it
Speaker 3: effectively led to the end of his present, not his presidency,
Speaker 3: but his candidacy. But you mentioned the moderators, so have
Speaker 3: a look at this. Trump was hounded if he didn't
Speaker 3: properly answer a.
Speaker 12: Questions Springfield, Ohio, and ABCDWS did reach out to the
Speaker 12: city manager there. He told us there had been no
Speaker 12: credible reports of President Trump. As you know, the FBI
Speaker 12: says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.
Speaker 12: But you have said, quote you lost by a whisker
Speaker 12: that you quote, didn't quote make it that you came
Speaker 12: up a little bit short. You did bring up something
Speaker 12: you said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin? Vice
Speaker 12: President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?
Speaker 3: Michael Donald Trump himself came out afterwards. He went on
Speaker 3: Sean Hannity's show afterwards and he said it was three
Speaker 3: against one.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with.
Speaker 10: That, Oh, no doubt about that. You were watching it,
Speaker 10: You're thinking this can't be right. But this is the
Speaker 10: American you know, left wing press doing their best to
Speaker 10: help Harris Win. But Trump didn't help himself. I mean,
Speaker 10: you know, I think she will be a hopeless president.
Speaker 10: I think he's completely incapable of running the free world.
Speaker 10: She's been invisible as a vice president. No one can
Speaker 10: name a single achievement of hers. But Donald Trump was
Speaker 10: ill disciplined, as I said, And you know, I think
Speaker 10: it's the sign of Trump over eight years. I think
Speaker 10: he says to people, you know, I've got here on
Speaker 10: my own. I don't need to listen to all you people.
Speaker 10: And you saw that performance today. He wasn't against someone
Speaker 10: today who had early stage dementia. And she was clever
Speaker 10: enough to say to her advisers, I don't know what
Speaker 10: I'm doing, Tell me what I need to say, and
Speaker 10: she did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, Meghan Kelly wrote a piece today where she said
Speaker 3: that the head of ABC News, and it was ABC
Speaker 3: News in the US that hosted this debate.
Speaker 2: She wrote that the head of ABC.
Speaker 3: News, Dana Walden, is a close friend of Kamala's and
Speaker 3: is apparently responsible for Kamalin meeting her husband.
Speaker 2: So and Megan's argument is that it was actually a.
Speaker 3: Mistake for the Republicans to agree to a debate on
Speaker 3: the ABC, Gary Hargrave, what do you think about that.
Speaker 1: Look, I've been on both sides of this.
Speaker 11: I've been a politician, I've been an inquirer, as a
Speaker 11: journalist or a reporter. Look, I just simply say to
Speaker 11: you that Harris did what I always tell people in
Speaker 11: politics to do. Answer the question you want to answer.
Speaker 11: In other words, tell them what you want to tell him.
Speaker 11: But the thing that these guys didn't do, the ABC
Speaker 11: guys didn't do, and it's pretty evident they're supported by management,
Speaker 11: which as you say, is close to.
Speaker 1: Harris, is they just didn't pursue her.
Speaker 11: They just gave her the easy run, the easy way,
Speaker 11: and they just basically picked on Trump. Now, I've got
Speaker 11: to tell you it's angered a lot of people at
Speaker 11: the Trump base, and I think it's going to galvanize
Speaker 11: a lot of people to get out the vote.
Speaker 1: So, look, we will see.
Speaker 11: There's another what six or eight weeks to go A
Speaker 11: long way to go.
Speaker 1: A week is a long time in politics. We've got
Speaker 1: six or eight of those ahead of a Shari.
Speaker 3: No, we do, indeed, But I still want to go
Speaker 3: through some of the biggest moments from the debate today
Speaker 3: because it might be the only debate that the two
Speaker 3: of them do, and to me, it was clear that
Speaker 3: Kamala had Trump on the defensive. He was defending his
Speaker 3: record as president, and he wasn't really able to put
Speaker 3: the focus back on her until right at the end.
Speaker 3: She was able to present herself as a new candidate,
Speaker 3: as though she weren't part of the Biden team, and
Speaker 3: her very first answer in the debate set the tone.
Speaker 3: The question was whether Americans were better off now than
Speaker 3: they were three years ago in the cost of living crisis.
Speaker 3: I mean, you might ask the same question of our
Speaker 3: Prime Minister alban Easy. But instead of answer that, Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris took the opportunity to speak about her personal background.
Speaker 12: Have a look, Vice President Harris, you and President Trump
Speaker 12: were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the
Speaker 12: stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better
Speaker 12: off than you were four years ago?
Speaker 1: When it comes to the economy?
Speaker 12: Do you believe Americans are better off than they were
Speaker 12: four years ago?
Speaker 9: So I was raised as a middle class kid.
Speaker 3: And she went on, I mean, Michael Craigan, this is
Speaker 3: one of the biggest issues, the cost of living. She
Speaker 3: didn't even pretend to try and answer.
Speaker 10: It's right, that's right, that's right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have to get away with telling a
Speaker 3: story about your family background when you're asked about, you know, inflation.
Speaker 2: In the cost of lipping.
Speaker 10: Well, of course the moderators weren't intent on pursuing it.
Speaker 10: But this is where Trump should have exactly. He had
Speaker 10: a minute after that, of course, to answer you.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 10: Trump's whole problem is he is so ill disciplined. I mean,
Speaker 10: politics is a very Gary knows as well as I do.
Speaker 10: It's a very it's a very complex business in many respects,
Speaker 10: and when you're in a presidential debate for your political life,
Speaker 10: perhaps you don't know everything. Perhaps it's wise to say
Speaker 10: to people, perhaps no strategy better than you. How do
Speaker 10: you think this will play out? I'm absolutely sure from
Speaker 10: having talked to people over the years in the Republican
Speaker 10: Party that no one can tell Trump anything. You know,
Speaker 10: As I said, he says, I got here on man,
Speaker 10: I don't need you people, And you could tell that today, right,
Speaker 10: he was lost. He's on about the dogs being eaten,
Speaker 10: you know in all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: He didn't pursue her.
Speaker 10: I mean, as I said, this was a debate about
Speaker 10: Ronald Trump, not about her three and a half years
Speaker 10: as vice president and wa Cherry, this is the first
Speaker 10: time a lot of Americans will have actually seen her.
Speaker 10: Most people don't know anything about her. I mean, most
Speaker 10: people don't know she's vice president. This is the first
Speaker 10: time they've seen her in a debate and listened to
Speaker 10: her for an extended period of time because she's invisible elsewhere.
Speaker 10: You can't see her apart from a clipper to rally,
Speaker 10: and people have gone away thinking, Yeah, she wasn't too bad.
Speaker 10: I don't know what people are saying that she's done
Speaker 10: or insipid or I don know. If she was out
Speaker 10: there and she did quite.
Speaker 1: A good job.
Speaker 10: That'll be the takeout from today's debate. And if she's smart,
Speaker 10: she will not do another debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although her.
Speaker 3: Team have already immediately demanded a second debate, and it's
Speaker 3: now Trump who hasn't agreed at this point of in time. Look,
Speaker 3: abortion featured as the second topic after the cost of living,
Speaker 3: which says something about how big this issue is in America,
Speaker 3: unlike in Australia. Again, Trump was put under scrutiny, but
Speaker 3: Kamala got away without answering the question about whether she's
Speaker 3: supported late her abortions.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that exchange.
Speaker 13: You should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month,
Speaker 13: ninth month, seventh month?
Speaker 4: Okay, would you do that? Why don't you ask that question?
Speaker 2: And that's the question which the question you.
Speaker 13: Could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,
Speaker 13: the ninth month.
Speaker 3: Look Gary again, the moderators, they did fact check Trump
Speaker 3: and they said there were no abortions which would.
Speaker 2: Be murder after babies had been born.
Speaker 3: But then they didn't follow up to ask Kamala the
Speaker 3: question about whether she did support late term abortions.
Speaker 2: You know that they just swept over this.
Speaker 11: And Sharry fact checking the fact checkers found that there
Speaker 11: were five or six examples of that in fantaside, basically
Speaker 11: after a baby's being born, after an abortion that went wrong.
Speaker 11: I hate this subject by Jude, but I've been watching
Speaker 11: and listening to the commentary on this, and all I'm
Speaker 11: saying to is this that I think your analysis and
Speaker 11: your interest in the specifics of this is only a
Speaker 11: minute interest by comparison to a lot of people in
Speaker 11: America who did watch this and listen closely, and I
Speaker 11: think they will see through Kamala's phoniness and her bull
Speaker 11: tish And you know, Michael's probably right that there's a
Speaker 11: whole lot of you know, superfluous stuff that people thought
Speaker 11: she wasn't too bad.
Speaker 1: We're expecting it to fail. There was no words sued.
Speaker 11: I get all of that, But when push comes to shoves,
Speaker 11: she didn't answer questions that were important to Americans around
Speaker 11: kitchen tables, like the cost of living, like the fact
Speaker 11: that some things grocery items have gone to fifty to
Speaker 11: eighty percent in America, just like they have here over
Speaker 11: the last couple of years. Like the fact that American
Speaker 11: jobs are being lost off shore because of things being
Speaker 11: brought in from other countries, just like here.
Speaker 1: The price of fuel gone through the roof, just like here.
Speaker 11: I mean, on all these different things that are real
Speaker 11: to people, there were no real answers from Harris. And
Speaker 11: I think she'll get marked down about this once people
Speaker 11: start to really look at it and say, you know what,
Speaker 11: she actually didn't tell me anything. Yeah, she looked Hollywood,
Speaker 11: but you know, heavens, we've got you know, Taylor Swift
Speaker 11: and Barbara streisand Mark Hamill and all these people who
Speaker 11: are just pumping for her. I think Americans are over it, Charlie.
Speaker 11: I think they're over it, and I think that Trump
Speaker 11: actually looks like the merchant of change again. If Americans
Speaker 11: want change, that's where they're going to go.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that analysis. But look, we're going
Speaker 3: to come back to this topic on the show. I've
Speaker 3: got the Republican official spokeswoman coming on the show. We'll
Speaker 3: see whether they were happy with the debate, what she
Speaker 3: has to say about the minerators. Also, Adam Crichton's going
Speaker 3: to join me live in Washington. But let's return now
Speaker 3: to these vile, violent protests in Melbourne today. Absolute mayhem,
Speaker 3: Michael Croker. I mean, these protesters pretend they want peace,
Speaker 3: but then they were so violent. I mean twenty four
Speaker 3: police officers have had to have medical treatment police horses.
Speaker 2: They were crawled to police horses.
Speaker 3: I bet you many of these as his claim that
Speaker 3: they're against animal cruelty.
Speaker 10: So what people around Australia have to understand the Victoria
Speaker 10: is we have about five thousand professional demonstrators in this state.
Speaker 10: It's a Wednesday here, but we still had several thousand
Speaker 10: not having to work and we're able.
Speaker 1: To demonstrate Sherry.
Speaker 10: Victoria has a mixture of Palestinian extremists, left wing fascists,
Speaker 10: Neo Nazis, Aboriginal extremists, Antifa supporters, and anarchists. It's an
Speaker 10: intersection of all of those people. So an anti war
Speaker 10: demonstration the Palestinian flags are raging, but those groups of extremists,
Speaker 10: and you add to that a few global warming extremists, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 10: That montage of people, that montage of hatred of the
Speaker 10: West is the core of these demonstrations in Victoria. There's
Speaker 10: about five thousand people that the Palestinian rally on Sunday
Speaker 10: now that they're at the anti war rally today. Next
Speaker 10: week a lot of them will be an extinction rebellion protests, etc.
Speaker 1: Center. That's about five thousand of them.
Speaker 10: The problem with Victoria is this the state Victorian labor
Speaker 10: government for ten years has let these extremists run a.
Speaker 1: Muck in this state.
Speaker 10: In the city of Melbourne, they've took powers away from
Speaker 10: the police, including the move on laws that Robert Clark
Speaker 10: brought in when he was Attorney General in the Bayu
Speaker 10: government a decade ago. Right the state labor government are
Speaker 10: in charge of policing in this state and they have
Speaker 10: allowed this situation to occur.
Speaker 1: And it is shocking that.
Speaker 10: Young, young Australian only Victorian policemen and women have to
Speaker 10: go to work and put up with this disgusting behavior.
Speaker 10: Who would want to be a policeman or woman in
Speaker 10: this state when you have an insipid week labor government
Speaker 10: that is intimidated by extremists, as Albanize is intimidated by
Speaker 10: a left wing extremes.
Speaker 1: I mean, just.
Speaker 10: Cindra Allison, just surreleant, stand up to these left wing extremists, ploase.
Speaker 1: Stand up to them.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: This is the culmination of ten to eleven months now
Speaker 3: of just being weak or taking no action, barely any
Speaker 3: arrests on people who are being openly violent on the streets.
Speaker 3: I mean, how many politicians officers have we seen seriously
Speaker 3: targeted violence graffiti? How many rests have been made from those?
Speaker 3: I mean, if there have been, it's not been in
Speaker 3: a big public way. So there's no deterrence here. Gary,
Speaker 3: don't you think this is part of the problem.
Speaker 11: And look in Victoria does have a huge protest organization,
Speaker 11: There's no doubt about it. It's twenty four years today
Speaker 11: since the s eleven riots against the West basically took
Speaker 11: place in Melbourne when the were World Economic Forum. I've
Speaker 11: got a few years about that, but they were meeting
Speaker 11: in Melbourne twenty four years ago, September of two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Of course I know.
Speaker 11: I just simply say to you, this is a tradition,
Speaker 11: This is a second generation of the same anarchists. And
Speaker 11: Michael's right, there are people who just hate the West.
Speaker 11: They look for any excuse to disorient the West. And
Speaker 11: yet we're talking about a gathering of people who are
Speaker 11: selling munitions arms a credible event. We had the same
Speaker 11: thing in Brisbane a couple of years ago and the
Speaker 11: same sort of things happened there. The Greens are at
Speaker 11: the heart of this. They give comfort to all of this.
Speaker 11: But it's the radical anarchist, the people who just hate Australia.
Speaker 11: They look for any excuse to come out. And as
Speaker 11: I said, twenty four years ago, today, the same thing
Speaker 11: was happening in Melbourne, the same thing, and of course
Speaker 11: since then the only rubber bullets that have been fired
Speaker 11: have been at COVID protesters.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's just Melbourne has lost its way.
Speaker 1: It's sad.
Speaker 11: The great city of Melbourne is now the place to flea.
Speaker 11: That's what the number plate should say, Victoria the place
Speaker 11: to flea.
Speaker 1: It's a real problem.
Speaker 11: And until there's a change of government down there, there's
Speaker 11: not going to be any change of approach on this.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and it comes down ultimately to political leadership.
Speaker 3: Were yet to see whether the protests.
Speaker 2: You know, tomorrow might be as bad as today. Look,
Speaker 2: we just don't know, we hope not.
Speaker 3: Just quickly before we go, I want to finish on
Speaker 3: a story by my colleague Caroline Marcus. She revealed that
Speaker 3: a University of Sydney's staff member who was put in
Speaker 3: charge of managing complaints about the pro Palestinian protests along
Speaker 3: with anti Semitic incidents on campus, actually appeared to have
Speaker 3: posted anti Israel content online herself. According to Caroline's report,
Speaker 3: she accused the Israeli government of genocide, and she dismissed
Speaker 3: a complaint from a Jewish academic staff member about the
Speaker 3: calls for Interfada, saying that it couldn't be classified as
Speaker 3: hate speech.
Speaker 2: Michael.
Speaker 3: She has since been removed from the job, But imagine
Speaker 3: someone who has an anti Israel position. According to what
Speaker 3: she's posting online. Being in charge of managing complaints tells
Speaker 3: you everything about the University of Sydney, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it does.
Speaker 10: And congratulations to those Jewish students in Sydney who are
Speaker 10: campaigning for the removal of the appalling, discredited Mark Scott.
Speaker 10: All strength to their arm. I hope they succeed. But
Speaker 10: what do you think, what do you expect under under
Speaker 10: Mark Scott? Whose performance has been disgraceful. He's brought enormous
Speaker 10: discredit upon Sydney University, which is now must be plummeting
Speaker 10: in the rankings of universities of prestige. The only performance
Speaker 10: worse than the Sydney University performance is that of the
Speaker 10: Australian National University, who've since allowed a Hummas supporter who
Speaker 10: was expelled to come back to campus. I mean, shame
Speaker 10: on the A and U, Shame on these universities. And
Speaker 10: I don't think you'll see all this behavior. By the way,
Speaker 10: if Sarah Henderson, if Dutton's elected Prime Minister, Sarah Henderson
Speaker 10: becomes Education Minister in this country, all this nonsense will
Speaker 10: stop under her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, they've certainly indicated they would be very tough on
Speaker 3: this all right, Michael Croaker, Gary Hargrave, thank you for
Speaker 3: your time. Now let's go live now to Washington. The
Speaker 3: reaction has been from the presidential debate as we've been
Speaker 3: discussing that Kamala Harris performed better than expected. Most people
Speaker 3: say she won the debate, but we're not any clearer
Speaker 3: on her policy platforms. The Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton
Speaker 3: joins me.
Speaker 2: Now, Adam, great to see you.
Speaker 3: Look you've written tonight in an article for The OS
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump failed to link Kamala's poor record as
Speaker 3: part of the current Biden administration sufficiently, and I think
Speaker 3: this is right. He allowed her to present as a
Speaker 3: fresh pair of hands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, that's true. I mean he finished actually quite well.
Speaker 4: I thought at the end of the nine minute debate
Speaker 4: he really emphasized the fact that she's been in this
Speaker 4: administration for three and a half years, and so if
Speaker 4: she has all these policy ideas, then you know, why
Speaker 4: haven't they already been implemented? And so he finished well
Speaker 4: on that, But you know, we had ninety minutes to
Speaker 4: dwell on that, and I don't think he really did sufficiently.
Speaker 4: So look, I think he appeared tired, he appeared angry,
Speaker 4: and as you just said, I think the expectations bar
Speaker 4: for Harris was very low, and she exceeded it. She'd
Speaker 4: been practicing for five days. You know, she's a polished
Speaker 4: fifty nine year old politician. She's not an eighty one
Speaker 4: year old. So it was a much harder contest for
Speaker 4: Donald Trump this time. And I just think that his
Speaker 4: lack of preparation really showed on the night. He didn't
Speaker 4: have any great one liners. You know, she had a
Speaker 4: lot of one liners he didn't. So look, I think overall,
Speaker 4: the you know, the fact that the Betty markets moved
Speaker 4: away from Donald Trump from about you know, fifty four
Speaker 4: percent chance of winning to forty seven percent chance over
Speaker 4: the ninety percent, sorry, over the ninety minutes. Rather, I
Speaker 4: think that basically sums up the outcome.
Speaker 2: For the night.
Speaker 3: And I think the debates are incredibly important because, you know,
Speaker 3: apart from the news that you hear in the media
Speaker 3: and people might just get snippets of things here and
Speaker 3: here and there, this was an opportunity for millions of Americans,
Speaker 3: some undecided voters, to tune in and hear directly from
Speaker 3: Trump and Kamala and the way Kamala presented, you know,
Speaker 3: she was smiley. She might have won over some female voters.
Speaker 3: She presented as a more palatable option, perhaps, whereas Trump
Speaker 3: might have seemed a bit more aggressive or even angry,
Speaker 3: because Kamala did bait him. She attacked him multiple times,
Speaker 3: and he took the bait. She was almost deliberately trying
Speaker 3: to get him annoyed. You know, she said, world leaders
Speaker 3: are embarrassed by him. She said, you know, top military
Speaker 3: figures say that he's a disgrace. No one goes to
Speaker 3: his rallies. People not no one goes there, but people
Speaker 3: get bored and leave early. All these things that you
Speaker 3: could see got to him because he is an emotional figure.
Speaker 3: So do you think this debate, you know, would have
Speaker 3: changed the minds of some undecided voters.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't really think so. I mean, and in
Speaker 4: the history of presidential debates, they typically don't make much difference,
Speaker 4: to be honest, with the actual outcome of the election.
Speaker 4: I think we put so much focus on this one.
Speaker 4: Be of course, what happened in June was so spectacular,
Speaker 4: but we really didn't see anything like this. And look,
Speaker 4: this was actually the earliest presidential debate except for the
Speaker 4: one in June, since two thousand and four. So there's
Speaker 4: still fifty four to fifty five days to go until
Speaker 4: the election. Plenty of time for stuff ups on both sides. Look,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think for women, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, not that I can talk obviously not a woman,
Speaker 4: but certainly to the extent that the issue of abortion
Speaker 4: was a discussed, I think she spoke pretty well, and
Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump probably really failed to, you know,
Speaker 4: to prosecute the idea, which is a good one in
Speaker 4: my view, that you know, that the issue is i
Speaker 4: mean is now back with the states in the US,
Speaker 4: and that's a very democratic outcome, if you like. But
Speaker 4: he didn't really excel there. And yes, look as you say,
Speaker 4: I mean, she baited him all over the place on
Speaker 4: his criminal record, on crowd sizes, on his inheritance his father. Yes,
Speaker 4: so look, he just wasn't prepared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it put him on the defense of the whole time. Adam,
Speaker 3: I want to go to one of the most crazy
Speaker 3: moments that has got now a lot of media coverage
Speaker 3: out of the debate, and that of course, is when
Speaker 3: Donald Trump said that immigrants were eating.
Speaker 2: Their pets, their cats and dogs.
Speaker 3: This has been on social media for a couple of
Speaker 3: days and Jadie Vance posted about it. But then Jadie
Speaker 3: Vance kind of walked it back a little bit and
Speaker 3: said it might not be right. Let's have a look
Speaker 3: at what Trump actually said in Springfield.
Speaker 13: They're eating the dogs the people that came in, They're
Speaker 13: eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of
Speaker 13: the people that live there. And this is what's happening
Speaker 13: in our country. And it's a shame.
Speaker 3: Adam, this was a gift to Kamala Harris. The border
Speaker 3: crisis is an issue that plays in Trump's favor, but
Speaker 3: instead of prosecuting that, now everyone's speaking about is this
Speaker 3: exactly probable conspiracy theory that migrants are eating people's pets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean it is, you know, it does
Speaker 4: seem fairly unlikely, although in Trump's defense, that is what
Speaker 4: some locals have been saying on video at at local
Speaker 4: council meetings. But I mean, to your point, this is
Speaker 4: a really good example I think of where Trump, you know,
Speaker 4: could have really hit her hard rhetorically. I mean, the
Speaker 4: population of that town, Springfield, has gone from fifty eight thousand,
Speaker 4: you know, to eighty thousand in about three years because
Speaker 4: of haitient immigration. It was clearly unwanted by the local community.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a thirty three percent increase in
Speaker 4: the population, which you know, I mean for any community
Speaker 4: is going to be unbearable. And yet he did not
Speaker 4: bring up those figures. I mean, to me, that was
Speaker 4: that was very, very silly. He should have talked about
Speaker 4: the numbers, you know, the draw on local social services,
Speaker 4: et cetera. But of course instead he focused on pets,
Speaker 4: which you know naturally prompted all the pundits afterwards to
Speaker 4: say that he was making up conspiracy theories et cetera.
Speaker 4: You know, whether they're true or not, I know, we
Speaker 4: might find out in the future. But look, it's a
Speaker 4: real area where he failed. I think that's his strongest area.
Speaker 3: Certainly, Yeah, it is his strongest area, along with the economy.
Speaker 3: But you know, he just didn't prosecute the case. Tonight,
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton, great to see you. We will read your
Speaker 3: full analysis in The Australian tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It's up online now all right, still to come.
Speaker 3: Last night, we expose the farce of the Prime Minister's
Speaker 3: pledge over a social media ban. This is all spin
Speaker 3: and no substance, right out of the political satire. The
Speaker 3: Holo men will Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman will join
Speaker 3: me next. Plus the Coalition accuses Labor of bad mouthing
Speaker 3: the RBA governor. Is this critical relationship on the brink.
Speaker 3: I'm going to discuss this with my political panel in
Speaker 3: a moment. Welcome back. Well, the countdown is on for
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to legislate his new social media ban.
Speaker 3: But as I mentioned last night, this is going to
Speaker 3: be very difficult for the government because it lacks so
Speaker 3: much detail. Labor couldn't get its stories straight out, and
Speaker 3: Easy was saying one thing about the age range his
Speaker 3: communication minister was saying another. And the tender for the
Speaker 3: company to run the trial doesn't even come back until October.
Speaker 3: Well to discuss let's bring it now, Shadow Communications Minister
Speaker 3: David Coleman.
Speaker 2: David, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Look, this is quite extraordinary that the Prime Minister announced this,
Speaker 3: did a television breakfast blitz, but then there was no
Speaker 3: policy to back this up.
Speaker 2: There was no age that he'd nominated, and he's saying
Speaker 2: legislation will be introduced by the end of the year.
Speaker 3: But do you think that's going to be possible given
Speaker 3: the trial that he's talking about isn't going to start
Speaker 3: until at least mid October.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's hard to see how they do it. As Shari,
Speaker 14: it's completely an art to leave fascicle. So you know
Speaker 14: what's happened here is the Prime Minister's realized he's losing
Speaker 14: on this issue. He's behind on the issue. The Coalition's
Speaker 14: been pursuing this issue for a long time. Premium Alnowskis
Speaker 14: has from South Australia as well, and he's gone, okay,
Speaker 14: we'll do an announcement. We'll say we're going to do
Speaker 14: age verification for social media, tick, and everything will be fine.
Speaker 14: But as you said, they've done absolutely no work on
Speaker 14: this and they haven't even started the process of a
Speaker 14: trial for age verification technology. They announced the trial back
Speaker 14: in May. They put out the tender for the trial yesterday.
Speaker 14: People don't even have to respond to the tender until
Speaker 14: the seventh of October.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is just ridiculous.
Speaker 14: How can you have an age verification policy for social
Speaker 14: media when you don't know what the age will be like?
Speaker 14: It is just the most fundamental point.
Speaker 3: And then the minister, the Communications Minister, Michelle Roland said, well,
Speaker 3: she might introduce legislation without the age limit in it.
Speaker 2: So what would that legislation actually be.
Speaker 14: Well, who knows. I think they're making it up as
Speaker 14: they go along. I mean, this is, as you said,
Speaker 14: this is like something from political satire. Peter Darton, in contrast,
Speaker 14: came out in June very clearly said the Coalition will
Speaker 14: do this, will do it within one hundred days of
Speaker 14: being elected and the age will be sixteen. So no
Speaker 14: ambiguity from Peter Dutton, a clear strong position. Sitting here today,
Speaker 14: we've got a government that says they're going to do this,
Speaker 14: but it hasn't done any work on it and has
Speaker 14: absolutely no idea how to do it. And it's symptomatic
Speaker 14: of the government more generally, you know, weak, indecisive, driven
Speaker 14: by events, flapping in the breeze, and that's no way
Speaker 14: to run a country.
Speaker 3: It was one of the worst cases of a political
Speaker 3: announcement I've seen that has no detail behind it. I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe so much of the media failed to call
Speaker 3: this out. You just said it was like a political satire. Well,
Speaker 3: it was like this scene. I showed this last night,
Speaker 3: but I've got to show it again because it is
Speaker 3: such an accurate depiction.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this from the hollow men.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're at the press release stage.
Speaker 15: Come on, math, We're always at the press release stage.
Speaker 3: But what are we announcing?
Speaker 2: Prime Minister declares war on a childhood a visa.
Speaker 5: But that's just the line.
Speaker 16: What comes next?
Speaker 2: Well, that's your job. Well that's what you get paid
Speaker 2: for to come up with all the other pages.
Speaker 15: Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan.
Speaker 8: There is no plan.
Speaker 2: We've announced it and people love it.
Speaker 16: Nothing has been decided.
Speaker 2: It's actually an indictment on the media.
Speaker 3: And I don't like to criticize the media that he
Speaker 3: was able to do a TV television breakfast let Sunrise
Speaker 3: Today Show ABC and multiple interviews with journalists without anyone
Speaker 3: actually pointing.
Speaker 2: Out that the trial for the tender for the trial
Speaker 2: that he.
Speaker 3: Kept talking about doesn't even return to until October, so
Speaker 3: there's no way in a month and a half he
Speaker 3: can have the trial done, conducted and the legislation wrapped up.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is just the press gallery bought
Speaker 3: the spin?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 14: Look, I think that because it's such an important an issue.
Speaker 14: You can understand the media, you know, being interested to
Speaker 14: talk to the Prime Minister about it. I think as
Speaker 14: those first few moments of fallen by the wayside and
Speaker 14: people have started to look into this, the general view
Speaker 14: is complete skepticism. I mean, everyone in this building sees
Speaker 14: this for what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a.
Speaker 14: Joke and it's a shame because this is a really
Speaker 14: serious issue. The issue of social media and what it's.
Speaker 2: Doing is massive.
Speaker 14: And that's why you know, as you know, I've been
Speaker 14: very focused on this for a long time, so as
Speaker 14: Peter Dutton. That's why the Coalition took stock such a
Speaker 14: strong stand on this month ago.
Speaker 2: And you've got a Prime.
Speaker 14: Minister that had actually opposed the age verification trial that
Speaker 14: we tried to legislate back in November, walked into the
Speaker 14: Parliament and the Labor Party voted against it. Six months
Speaker 14: later they said okay, we'll do the trial, and then
Speaker 14: four and a half months later they hadn't even put
Speaker 14: out the tender. And you know, this is the sense
Speaker 14: the essence of this government. You know, it's one thing
Speaker 14: to put out a press release, it's another to actually govern.
Speaker 14: And they have just no idea how to govern.
Speaker 3: All right, David Coleman, thank you very much for your time. Now,
Speaker 3: still coming up on the show is the Republican Party
Speaker 3: happy with Trump's performance and the presidential debate? Will an
Speaker 3: insider would join me? Plus Labor accused of bad mouthing
Speaker 3: the RBA governor. I'll get into that with my political
Speaker 3: panel next. Plenty more to get through tonight, so let's
Speaker 3: bring in National Senate Leader Bridget McKenzie and former Press
Speaker 3: Secretary to Julie Gillard Darren Barnette. Welcome to you both. Look,
Speaker 3: tension between the IBA and Labor seems to be continuing.
Speaker 3: This was a big issue in Parliament today. The Treasurer
Speaker 3: denies there's any rift, despite his failure to criticize Wayne
Speaker 3: Swan's harsh assessment.
Speaker 2: Have a quick look.
Speaker 17: You know, I have a respectful working relationship with Governor
Speaker 17: Bullock and with her colleagues. As Governor Bullock has made
Speaker 17: it clear on a number of eleag we work well together.
Speaker 17: We've got the same objective, we've got different responsibilities.
Speaker 3: Bridget, what do you think do you think there is
Speaker 3: a genuine rift here between the government and the IBA
Speaker 3: and is this a concern for our economy?
Speaker 15: Absolutely, Sharhie. You just saw the Treasurer act like a
Speaker 15: very naughty boy who'd just been made to apologize. There
Speaker 15: was absolutely no sincerity there. In fact, he got his
Speaker 15: father out, Wayne Swan this week to back him in
Speaker 15: and sort of do the tough talking that Jim was
Speaker 15: felt he was unable to do. I mean, it isn't
Speaker 15: just the Coalition, it's economists, it's former leaders in our
Speaker 15: country that have said this discussion and debate that Jim
Speaker 15: Chalmers has been driving in the public sphere against the
Speaker 15: Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock has been appalling, has un
Speaker 15: mind the credibility of the economic partnership that they're supposed
Speaker 15: to have with government, and they're both pulling in the
Speaker 15: wrong directions. The fact remains, and Jim doesn't want to
Speaker 15: own up to the fact that he is the Treasurer
Speaker 15: and that means he is responsible for our economy and
Speaker 15: when Australians are doing it as tough as they are,
Speaker 15: and they're feeling they're doing it tough because real wages
Speaker 15: are going backwards and standard of living has dropped nearly
Speaker 15: ten percent. So it's a fact the Reserve Bank only
Speaker 15: has one very blunt lever. Jim has a lot of
Speaker 15: tools in his toolkit, he's refusing to use them. It's
Speaker 15: one thing to write a PhD about Paul keating a
Speaker 15: former treasurer. It's another one to actually start acting like one.
Speaker 15: And unfortunately he's been left wanting and now he's just
Speaker 15: making excuses for his bad behavior.
Speaker 3: Darren, do you think Wayne Swan's comments would have put
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers in a difficult position because they are close.
Speaker 16: I think they did put him in a difficult position.
Speaker 16: I don't think that Wayne cleared them through head offers.
Speaker 16: I suspect you just said what he thought, and Wayne
Speaker 16: is in that phase of his career where in many
Speaker 16: ways he can do that. But Jim needs to be responsible.
Speaker 16: It's an important job and Jim takes it very seriously.
Speaker 16: You obviously have known Jim for a long time. He
Speaker 16: takes his job very seriously and he would not like
Speaker 16: that kind of distraction. But equally, there is tension between
Speaker 16: the Reserve Bank Board and the government about how we
Speaker 16: need to ease that cost of pressure, a cost of
Speaker 16: living pressure for everyday families. I think the government is
Speaker 16: sincerely hoping that the environment is right for rate cuts.
Speaker 16: This side of the election, and that's really what this
Speaker 16: is all about. What's the settings going to be when
Speaker 16: we go to the polls early next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and at this point, I mean, everything can change,
Speaker 3: but at this point it doesn't look like there.
Speaker 2: Will be happening soon enough, no, if at all, before
Speaker 2: the election.
Speaker 3: Now, I want to get both of your thoughts and
Speaker 3: the horrific protests in Melbourne today, bridget You know a
Speaker 3: lot of arrests that I and arrests police had to
Speaker 3: have medical treatment. Do you think this is, as I do,
Speaker 3: a failure of political leadership over time that has got
Speaker 3: us to this point.
Speaker 15: Look, Sharhi, you and I have talked about this for
Speaker 15: a long period of time on this show, about police
Speaker 15: across the country seeking to keep the peace instead of
Speaker 15: upholding the law. And that's where we've seen some really
Speaker 15: appalling public protests, particularly post October seventh here on the
Speaker 15: streets of our major capitals on the East Coast in particular.
Speaker 15: And you know, every single time people get away with
Speaker 15: behaving badly, treating other Australians with contempt and disrespect, anti Semitism, rife.
Speaker 15: They just these protesters who are all professionals, Let's face it,
Speaker 15: go one step further, one step further, and now you
Speaker 15: have appalling behavior is being thrown at our police force
Speaker 15: and that is absolutely unacceptable in a liberal democracy such
Speaker 15: as ours. It's just incredible, these scenes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 3: Now the Australian has revealed that the Teals are deminding
Speaker 3: a seventy five percent emissions reduction target by twenty thirty five. Darren, Look,
Speaker 3: it's one thing for the Teals to be ideological and
Speaker 3: idealistic like this, but it's quite another to actually deliver
Speaker 3: this in reality.
Speaker 16: It's a glorious world when you're a protest vote and
Speaker 16: the Greens have that luxury, and to a large extent,
Speaker 16: the Teals have that luxury. But I guess what they're
Speaker 16: doing is tilling the ground for what happens if there's
Speaker 16: a hung parliament, and if there is, they're going to
Speaker 16: have to pick a side. So that will be the
Speaker 16: real test of what the Teals are made of, and
Speaker 16: to some extent, what the Greens are made of is
Speaker 16: what do they do if there's a hung parliament. They
Speaker 16: hold Liberal seats, but a lot of their policy agenda
Speaker 16: shifts fear progressive and left. So it's going to be
Speaker 16: a fascinating time up until the election. Will the government
Speaker 16: give a twenty thirty five target. I'm not sure that
Speaker 16: they will, particularly when they have a.
Speaker 1: Twenty thirty one.
Speaker 16: Clearly he doesn't want to, and I'm not sure that
Speaker 16: it's to our national advantage given other countries won't put
Speaker 16: one out there before the Brazil Summit late next year.
Speaker 16: So it's jockeying for position in public policy terms.
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see how I actually
Speaker 3: read bizarrely the Climate Change Authorities paper about what they're
Speaker 3: thinking is around the twenty thirty five target and bridget
Speaker 3: they had concerns that if you set a two ambitious
Speaker 3: target there could be social and economic consequences.
Speaker 2: That's the Climate Change Authority.
Speaker 15: Well, I know, Shahi KOUI fantastic. The Climate Change Authority
Speaker 15: is finally woken up to what the National Party in
Speaker 15: the Liberal Party have been saying for a long time.
Speaker 15: All on the journey, but let's not trash the joint
Speaker 15: and people and our country on the way through. What
Speaker 15: you've heard from the teals with this claim is the
Speaker 15: ticket price for the next Prime Minister of Australia. And
Speaker 15: I know that Peter Dutton won't be prepared to pay
Speaker 15: that and I do know that Anthony Albanezi will do
Speaker 15: anything to stay in the lodge. And so this is
Speaker 15: going to be critical going into the next selection that
Speaker 15: you will have a prime minister, because all the polls
Speaker 15: are pointing to a minority government. Labor government is going
Speaker 15: to have to do a deal with the Teals and
Speaker 15: the Greens, and that means the type of target that
Speaker 15: is going to wreak havoc not just on our productive
Speaker 15: capacity of our mining industry, but our agriculture that actually
Speaker 15: our transport mechanisms etc. We're already not meeting the targets
Speaker 15: we've set, We're already falling behind to twenty thirty. This
Speaker 15: just shows how ridiculous the Teals policy settings are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Bridget McKenzie, really appreciate your time tonight
Speaker 3: in camera.
Speaker 2: I'm Darren Barnette here in Sydney. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now after the break and insiders take on how Republicans
Speaker 3: thought Trump handled that debate that's coming up after this break. Well,
Speaker 3: let's cross now to Florida, where I'm joined by RNC
Speaker 3: spokesperson Elizabeth Pipcole's great to see you again. Look, what
Speaker 3: is the sense in the Republican Party about how the
Speaker 3: debate went. Most commentators and media outlets say this was
Speaker 3: a win for Kamala, who performed better than expected. So
Speaker 3: is there disappointment about Trump's performance tonight?
Speaker 5: Rest of all, thank you for having me back. No,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say disappointment at all. I would say you're
Speaker 5: right that people were surprised by Kamala Harris's performance. I
Speaker 5: think the bar was set very very low with that
Speaker 5: last debate, of course against Joe Biden, which as we know,
Speaker 5: changed the state of the race. At the same time,
Speaker 5: Karmla Harris had the bar set so low that people
Speaker 5: are excited that she got through the debate. And I
Speaker 5: think that that's what's disappointing, right. We wanted answers. I
Speaker 5: think the American people deserve answers, and we left that
Speaker 5: debate with no answers, no clear context on where she stands,
Speaker 5: why she changed so many of her views, and what
Speaker 5: her plans are for the future, and how they would
Speaker 5: differ in any way from the current administration where she
Speaker 5: serves with Joe Biden. If we didn't get any of
Speaker 5: those answers, more Americans are divided than ever, as there's
Speaker 5: anger about how the debate was moderated, and I truly
Speaker 5: think that last night did not go as the American
Speaker 5: people deserved. And that's truly where my disappointment lies.
Speaker 3: Look, Kamala Harris was clearly very prepared, carefully crafted answers
Speaker 3: to every single topic. Should the team around Trump have
Speaker 3: prepared him more for this debate?
Speaker 5: You know, I'd say the answer lies in the American people,
Speaker 5: what they think and what they want. I don't think
Speaker 5: the American people were satisfied with what they got last night, truly.
Speaker 5: When it comes to the answers of Kamala Harris, I
Speaker 5: think having perfectly crafted responses, it doesn't actually, you know,
Speaker 5: lower your gas bill, it doesn't actually keep us from
Speaker 5: World War three, which everyone talks about every day now,
Speaker 5: doesn't make Americans feel safer. I think she had perfectly
Speaker 5: crafted responses about everything that's wrong with Donald Trump. We
Speaker 5: saw insult after insult and low blow after low blow.
Speaker 5: I was very disappointed. Actually, I didn't expect it to
Speaker 5: be that nasty that quickly. But I think preparing as
Speaker 5: much as she did, to be as nasty as she
Speaker 5: was to him personally, and not preparing to give the
Speaker 5: American people the answers that they're looking for. I think
Speaker 5: that was a mistake on her part. I think that
Speaker 5: will backfire. At the same time, everyone deserves other candidates
Speaker 5: to be prepared, and I appreciate the fact that it
Speaker 5: was clear that she did prepare for the debate. I
Speaker 5: just don't think it was in the way that she
Speaker 5: should have prepared for someone that's currently serving as vice
Speaker 5: president of this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course Taylor Swift came out right after
Speaker 3: the debate. Presumably that was a planned moment to give
Speaker 3: momentum in Kamala Harris's direction, and Taylor Swift, of course
Speaker 3: endorsed Kamala Harris called her a warrior. Elizabeth Pipco, thank
Speaker 3: you very much for your time tonight, and we'll have
Speaker 3: a lot more analysis tomorrow night on the show.
Speaker 2: I'll see you at eight o'clock. Right now, here's Paul Murray.