WEBVTT - When Flanno's Saints Go Marching In 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.360 All right, right back for another episode of the Daily 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.360 Telegraph and Real podcast. Adam Mob's here with you with 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:15.840 Fatima Cando. How are you going, Fatima? 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.520 I am well, the wea on, but well. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.439 Under the weather. Well Tyson Jackson who jumping in the 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.560 hot seat this week? And you and I've got a 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.080 little bit of sidebant going at the moment because I'm 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.040 an eelsman and you're a Tiger supporter, and we thought 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.480 round twenty seven might be the wooden spoon by my friend, 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.320 but you might have just got the jump on you 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:37.280 after last weekend. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.360 Oh it's there's still a couple of weeks left. I 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.120 wouldn't get to ahead of yourself. I jumped on the 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.879 ladder predicted last night and the Tiger's still going to 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.400 finish sixteenth and there's only one team they'll finish below that. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.240 So I'll leave that to your imagination. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.160 I'm your left questioning Mobs here where where that performance 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.800 from the Ills was like six eight weeks ago? Look, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.600 well maybe it's a it's a taste of they're just 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.600 resigned to the fact that the season is done and 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.880 there's that less pressure and. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.160 Well you look last week they were the better team 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.080 in the first half against Melbourne and trailed. They threw 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:14.840 a couple of trial, gave a couple of tries up, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.400 they had all the possession. You look back earlier in 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.240 the year, they should have beaten Canary that time when 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.440 they didn't. You know, Mitch Moses should have iced that game. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.840 They were in it against the Roosters that time. There 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.360 was three games in the middle. I think the Gold 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.680 Coast was the other one. That games they should have 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.039 one that would have you look at that roster. They're 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.839 not a wooden spoon roster and no offense tice. But yeah, 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:35.759 but it is what it. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.840 Is, and they did play in patches this year where 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.560 you're got your thinking like, how is this team at 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.000 the bottom of the roster, bottom of the table even 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.600 with all the injuries they've had in the setbacks and 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.960 the rest of it. So maybe it's not as bad 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.080 it Maybe it's not bottom of the barrel just yet. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.200 Maybe it might be if the chat on the radio 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.800 this morning through that Mitch that the Dragons are monitoring 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:01.840 Mitchell Moses's situation. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.800 Yeah, so is that in the same conversation that Mitchell 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.240 Moses wants to go somewhere where he's going to win 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.359 a comp and St. Georgia Laura and that conversation. Come on, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.000 I'm not listening to this crap anymore. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.200 He's a premiership winning coach, so he's gone that over 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:17.000 Jason Rayles. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.480 Well he is. And what about what do you make 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:20.680 of the Dragons at the weekend? 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.800 Very good? I thought they were. They were very good. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.160 Yeah, they were, they were good. I didn't realize it 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.160 was Anthony Mundane. Whodo is another like generational thing that 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.040 we should have known about. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.679 Well, yeah, ninety nine Grand Final they were with in 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.040 a whisker of beating Melbourne. Obviously there was the the 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.640 Craig Smith incident, the call with Jamie Ayin's co and 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.880 you know the penalty try. But you know they were 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.360 within a whisker of winning it when Mundane was he 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.240 could have passed it right on the line when himself 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.720 knocked it on and Chock said the next year, you know, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.360 we're going to charm who the real deal is, and 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.959 Melbourne pumped him seventy to ten the following They haven't 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.760 won in twenty five years there. But tell you what 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.120 what Shane Flatagan's done with this team, that same roster 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.880 as last year and to go down there to mel 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.040 But I don't care who you are, especially the Dragons 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.600 after twenty five years to put in the performance they did, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.839 and you're always sitting here watching this going, oh god, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:19.880 Melbourne are going to do something here. They're just going 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.760 to find a way, find a way. And the Dragons 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:27.440 held so firm in defense, unbelievable. Jaden Sewer I thought 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.239 was terrific in attack again. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.840 He's been great since missing out on Origin. In that 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.080 last game, I think it was yeah, yeah, And they're 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:41.000 just they're just in terms of like physicality, conditioning fitness wise. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.080 They matched it with a storm, the Storm more obviously. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:44.960 I know they've been sort of off the pace for 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:46.800 the last couple of weeks. They've probably got away with 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.360 one last week. The thing for the Dragons for me 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.200 is when they're in that mood like they were against 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.640 the Storm, you know, they look like a top eight team, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.800 but then they get blown off the park every now 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.800 and then, and so they're still struggling for that consistency. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.880 And I know that's something that Shane Flanagan is working on. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:09.600 But you know, the people derided their forward pack seems 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.640 to be matching them they've got really big outside backs. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.600 Zach Climax. I feel it's probably been a little bit 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.920 off the pace since Origin, but you know, yeah, they 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.840 look good and it sets up a massive game at 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.800 Cogra against Cannobary. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.920 What do you think of Tyrrell Sloan's performance, Tice? 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.880 I thought, coming back and all the criticism, I thought 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.280 it was all right. I thought, you know, I spoke 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.840 to Flano last week before they left for Melbourne, and 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.720 I was surprised when Flano was very open and saying 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.240 that he didn't want to bring him back. I thought 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.359 that was not a tough call. But I mean to 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.000 come and tell the media that you don't see many 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.320 other coaches doing that. So then that might have let 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.560 a rocket under Tyrolle and I think after a win 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.400 like that, he probably keeps his spot. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.599 I'm so happy for him. I'm so happy for because 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.160 Flannel has not been backwards in coming forward about tyre 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:07.039 Ol Sloan's format and what he sees as deficiencies in 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.400 his role as a fallback. You know, he's sometimes, you know, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.280 willing to put your head in the areas that other 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.720 people won't put them, that kind of thing. But obviously 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.160 was the ball support runner that we saw on the weekend, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.920 of course, but you know, he didn't shirk his responsibilities 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.760 at all. And they were they were so tough. They 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.800 were so tough out there, just supporting each other through 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.279 the middle. And Flano has got him playing some really 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.159 nice football and I don't know about you guys' we'll 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.800 get to this. I've got him in my eight for 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.400 the rest of the season. I think they're going to 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:36.080 play finals. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.720 Yeah, I think it's it's kind of between. The Dragons 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.000 will only make it titan Stone, so they need the 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.279 Titans to drop off a couple of massive weeks though, 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.839 Like we said, that Bulldogs game is going to be unbelievable. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.600 Sell out our Cogra. I'm a local there so you 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:58.000 might see me. Ye might get around, but yeah, I 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.279 can't wait. Rugby League is a good place when the 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.920 Dragons and the Bulldogs. Hopefully one day the Tigers are 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:09.320 doing well. So I'm excited. I think, yeah, like a 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.440 world of momentum. The atmosphere comes Saturday night at Cogra 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.320 is going to be unbelievable. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.040 It's going to be interesting because it's two very passionate 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.039 you know, Sydney supporter basis. So I think Flannel was 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.800 on the radio this morning saying how much they love 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.200 coming to Cogra to play because it is a different 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.640 group of fans, you know, to the Illawarra so and 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.160 we saw all the scenes at Bellmore. They were carrying 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.280 on like they just won the Grand Final. So they're 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.240 probably going to take over the streets of Cogor as 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.040 well if they win too. But it'll be the same 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.520 for the Dragons, who you know, if they put themselves 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.040 well and truly in the finals race, if they get 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.640 over the Bulldogs, I think it's going to be it'll 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.479 be interesting because they're both gritty teams when they can be, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.040 and they both can score points when they want to. 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.680 But I think it's going to be a tight, closer, 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.840 fair and I think defense is going to win this one, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.480 and they're both defensive minded coaches. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.600 So yeah, well I looked. I looked last night. The 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.160 Dragons have only won back to back games twice this year. Yeah, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.920 so massive tests. If that's their deficiency. There might be 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.840 a bit of complacency. They have a real high one 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.560 week and then the next week drop a bit. I 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.400 don't know, but that's that's going to be the biggest 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.440 test for them is to go back to back for 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.560 only the third time this year. And I mean to 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.680 get into the top eight mobs. You say the Dragons 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.440 are in your eight. They need to be able to 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.400 do that. If they can't do that, then then you 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:30.360 have to put a line to them. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:31.880 Well, the start off the year that way, didn't they 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.120 They smashed the Titans away from home. I thought, oh wow, 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.360 and I didn't pick them week one. So they're playing 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.760 the Dolphins week two. I said, oh, I'm on the Dragons. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.200 They get pump thirty eight l Yeah. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:45.160 You know. Then they beat teams like they beat the 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.000 Warriors in Woollongong. They got smashed by sixty by the Roosters. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.560 You know, they lose to the Sharks, they beat South, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.800 they get smashed by Canterbury, they come and beat the Dragons, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.520 sorry the Panthers in fair Refords. It's a crazy stat 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.000 I think Aaron Wallace from Fox League had a weird 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.760 step that there's only one other team that's beaten Penrith 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:11.120 and Melbourne home and away in a season and that 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.400 was Paramatter in twenty twenty two. In the last five years. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.720 But so you're saying the Dragons are going to win. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.400 They're going to win. They were in anything from there. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.000 But it's but that also says a bit about because 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.520 I think after all those blobout scores they came back 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.360 and wine right, They've been able to bounce back. So 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.480 I think that says a lot about the kind of 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.400 coach Flannely is and the way he's able to sort 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.000 of elicit a response from his side when they've just 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.080 been in the dumps. But yeah, the key is consistency. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.640 If they can find that consistency, then you know, as 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.840 Tyson said, you know, Canvy is shown that can be consistent. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.600 All of a sudden, you've got these two sides that 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.640 are struggled for a really long time playing some really 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.520 good footy. And I mean, I guess if you're a 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.560 Sydney footy fan, it's what you want. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.280 You can tell how the Dragons are going to go 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.200 after the first fifteen minutes of a game. If they 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.280 come out with that kind of bully mentality that Shane 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.160 Flanagan meant, you know you're in for a rough night. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.040 Both times a versus Tigers this year, they've come out 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.080 with that form and as a Tiger supporter, I'm like going, no, 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.760 you know, but then you see him sometimes when they 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.000 don't come out with that form and that first impact, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.360 that first carry is not that well, you kind of 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.160 go back to my Dragons mates. You guys are in 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:19.080 for a rough day to day. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:20.960 But what impressed me most is you've got to do 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.360 it for eighty minutes against the Storm because they will 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.240 just pick you apart. And like I said, I was 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.080 just waiting at one point for Melbourne to turn it 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.480 on and just put on a move blom away and 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.720 then okay and just do what Melbourne do and then 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.679 they couldn't get the job done. So big game against 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.240 Bulldogs who were great against I thought your Raiders played 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.079 really well. They turn up red to play, but shows 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.280 you how tight the comp can be. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.959 Yeah, and it was a strange game because there was 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.840 a lot of blowout scores in that round as well, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.319 so I thought, you know, I don't know, maybe they're 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.679 going to turn it on, but it was a really 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.520 tight game. I mean there were I was really surprised 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:01.120 to see Ricky leave Ethan strange out of that game. 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.959 He played all year, this massive game they need to win. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.240 There's a final spot on the line. And sort of 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.120 the way he explained it after the game was he 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.720 felt like he was it was time to start managing 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.240 his workload. It was really curious cool and I don't 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.160 know whether I buy that. You know, he's played, he's 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.080 played all year, he's built that combination on the edge, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.760 and then to pull him out of the game. I'm 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.600 not gonna say that's the reason why they lost, but 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.079 it was curious decision. But yeah, they were, they were 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.480 in it. There was just a couple of tries from 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.319 Canary that were just absolutely freaky. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:36.800 You know. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:41.160 You saw Stephen Crichton with his chip over the shoulder, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.760 like howdie defend that? You know, and then Matt Burdon 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.560 had been sort of kept his bomb sort of in 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.920 the kick bag for weeks and weeks and then comes 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.559 up with a bomb and that I think Critter was 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.599 on the other side of the field, gathered, you know, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.080 gives it off to Fish to josh Oda car and 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.840 they score. So that was the that was the difference 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.760 in the end. I think Burton's bomb. So yeah, in it, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.400 but still a game that they had to win because 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.360 the Raiders, if you look at their own hammand, we're 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:10.680 going to look at it a little bit later. It 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.160 is it is tough. I don't think they could have 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.559 afforded to drop those two points, to be honest, they. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.840 Struggled to score points. I think defense on both sides 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.880 wasn't really the issue. And you look at you look 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.240 at the triers of the Bulldog scored and they weren't 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.959 like this is just individual brilliance. But Ethan strange. I mean, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.640 he's broken games open this year for them before. And 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.439 I think Cook's a great player, you know, playing in 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.720 the harves and he's a good backup player. But I 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.480 think he really got a back your young guys there 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:41.440 to do a job. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.920 And that's what I find found strange, Right, he backed 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.960 him all the way up until this point, and this 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.240 is probably the biggest game of their season and he's 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:50.840 not there. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.240 So and it looked like they missed him. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.960 I think, I wonder what's going on there for Ricky 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:56.720 to make that call. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.800 So, I mean he said it before. I mean, you know, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.640 with Savage, right when Savage first came through it, I 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.120 was like, oh, this kid's are prodigy, this kid's are 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.599 that And Sticky sort of was bringing him in and 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.240 out of the side adamant that he was doing the 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.000 right thing by him. I mean, eventually Savage came good, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.520 but yeah, it is strange since he's played the whole year. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.880 I've got to ask. I had the last rites for 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.000 him a couple of weeks ago, but officially now the 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.560 Broncos are gone for the year. You talk about rosses 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.600 that should be top eight rosters and teams that were 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.840 what seventeen minutes away from a Grand Final win until 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.080 Nathan Cleary worked from his slumber last year. Where do 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.520 you fix the Broncos? What is the issue? And they 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.160 don't have a lot of players coming off contract the 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.000 end of this year. CoreOS is still battling for a contract. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.920 They've got a couple of most of the guys are 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.720 on deck, and then come November one, you've got guys 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.360 like Catoni Stags. So we're expecting Reese Walsh to sign 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.440 a new deal soon and it's going to take up 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.559 a lot of their salary cap as well of a 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.320 significantly larger portion that it is currently. So I don't 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:04.640 know if they're going to be able to hit the 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.600 market to bring in replacements. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.000 But when you look at them full strength, they don't 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.559 need to be in the market and I like, I 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.680 understand something. So what's Yeah, I know that's it. What's 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.640 the issue? And the reality is I think they led 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.360 into a half time here and didn't score a point 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.360 and the Titans scored seven tries in the second half. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.200 You know, that's a team. And I think Kevy said 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.160 it like there was just no fight in that second half. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.199 And it's curious. It's like, I just don't know. They 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.080 just don't have any resilience. They haven't had any resilience 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.160 at all this year. And I don't know. Maybe maybe 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.760 you know, there's talk about the kind of approach they 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.840 took to the preseason after the Grand Final, maybe they 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.920 looked around, it's a roster for the superstars. They made 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.760 the Grand Final. You know, maybe the preseason wasn't as 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.079 tough or as hard as grueling as it should have been. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.720 Maybe Kevy, you know, took the foot off the pedal 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.320 a little bit. I don't know, because I think it's 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.280 a mental It's not a roster thing. It's not a 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.480 skill thing. It's got to be an attitude mental thing. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:13.320 I'll touch on that. I think it's really evident in sport, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.880 and I guess in life in general. It's hard to 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.880 wake up and get into the grind when you sleep 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.960 in silk sheets. I think the saying goes. You see 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.280 it with athletes all the time. You see it with 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.640 people that move up in the world all the time, 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.080 that all of a sudden their lives kind of shift. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.400 You look at the Broncos eighteen months ago. Are they 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.640 the superstars they are now or are they even close 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.880 to it? No, all of a sudden, they're the hottest 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.640 things in rugby league. They're almost the hottest thing in 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.640 Australia sport. You go to one of their games and 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.760 you're seeing people there that you would have never seen 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.240 a rugby league game before. But they're there because they're 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:49.640 not there to watch the fleet. They're there because they 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.920 like these players and they like the superstars that these 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.360 players have kind of become. When you're getting all that 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.200 love and attention, you're getting the Instagram followers, getting the 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.800 endorsement deal, you're getting all that stuff, it's hard to 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.120 get up, go to training in the morning and get 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.600 up for the get up for the grind. Like they've 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.240 got the high life, you know. You look at the 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.960 way they live on their social medias and things like that. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.520 But see it's I do agree with you, but if 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.880 you look at Penrith, it's fair to say that Penrith 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.360 experienced something similar. Right all of a sudden, they were 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.520 the kings of Western Sydney. They were superstars wherever they went. 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.720 You know, they're quite vocal on social media. They don't 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.960 hold back on social media. But after they lost twenty 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.080 twenty Grand Final, they worked even harder, you know what 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:33.360 I mean. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.720 They where they come from. Though they came from that 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.480 kind of that twenty nineteen they weren't. They weren't that 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.120 crash hot Ivan Cleary blooded a lot of young players 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.960 they dealt with that kind of hardships. These young guys, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.520 guys like Reese Walsh, Patrick Carroghan, they're informed that were 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.840 not the best form. But they're still playing decent footy. 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.600 But they've been handed all this luxury straight away. I 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.000 don't think they know how to deal with it, and 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.040 I think that's what's making them struggle on the field 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.680 because they're not there for the. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.440 Fight back to you know what is going on at training, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.560 other coaching staff being hard enough on them to build 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.400 that toughness and that resilience. It's you know, you've got 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:18.960 to We're getting to a point where man managing your 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.800 players is as important as them being well drilled and 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.080 well coached and skilled in the rest of it. And 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.880 I think that's what Penrith has done really well. You know, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.760 like Ivan Cleary is obviously an incredible coach, but he's 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:34.280 also been really good at managing his players, the personalities 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.560 of his players, And I wonder whether you know, Kevy 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.160 or anybody at the Broncos has done a good enough 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.320 job on that the soft skills side of things as 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.960 opposed to you know, they don't need too much coaching 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.000 because they're already, like you said, individually, quite brilliant players. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.280 It's quite a juxtaposition when you think that the Red 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.280 Hill is still the place where a couple of eys ago, 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.600 they're erecting fences, mesh fences to keep the Fians out 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.600 and hiring extra security to deal with the popularity of 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.840 this team. That was just on a tail spin. But 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.639 speaking of someone from a rival club the other day 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.960 about the Broncos, he pointed out something really interesting. He 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.359 said that they know if you chip away at the 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.480 Broncos this season, you can beat them, because he pointed 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.120 out there was a lack of discipline in their defense 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.320 where you had guys shooting out of the line, guys 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.600 not trusting the guy inside, and the second efforts weren't there. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.040 If they do conceide a tackle bus last year you 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.400 saw the hunger to sit there and chase down as 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.760 a team and hunting a pack in defense. They haven't 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.040 done that this year, and that if you can break 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.360 them open a little bit, you can get through them, 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.320 and that's the way they're going. You saw what the 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.720 Titans did the other day, and you saw I think 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.680 particularly what chem Siroaldo did the week before when targeting 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.320 those edges and finding where they thought, okay, this is 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.679 where we can get through and the week before was 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:53.840 done without Stephen Crichton, you know, and yeah, I think, yeah, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.520 I think there's a lot of soul search and do 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.080 at Redhill ahead of next season because you know, someone 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.639 out my Wakers living at Penrith Way very happily pointed 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.920 out that the three of the bottom four teams are 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:12.480 Grand finalists beatn Greend finalists from Penrith, from pen So 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:19.000 Tigers sixteenth. My Yells were fifteenth, are we Broncos fifteenth? 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:19.240 Now? 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:20.240 And South's fourteenth. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:25.120 That's versus So Penrith are building their own dynasty all 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.560 the while ruining everybody else's. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:27.800 Yeah, thanks a lot, Penrith. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.760 It's fascinating, you know, all those sides and then have 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.439 gone on to miss the final. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.680 Yeah, it's fascinating for team. I love it. Great. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.280 That's a lot three years in. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.760 Oh but yeah, anyway, can anyone stop Penrith. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:52.119 At the moment, I think I think maybe Melbourne have 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.119 another gear in them, I reckon even though they've been 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.280 the latter leaders like all season, I feel like they're 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.000 probably we haven't seen the best of them just yet. 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.560 And I also think we probably haven't seen the best 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.080 of Penrith just yet because they have. I mean, Fish 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.720