Speaker 1: Peto Quedlin Live from year twenty four.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
Speaker 2: tonight on Credline. Well, the sorry milestone that no politician
Speaker 2: can celebrate, Commonwealth Dace saws past one trillion dollars today
Speaker 2: and an incredible tax break handed out by labor to
Speaker 2: foreign companies building wind and solar in Australia. They've just
Speaker 2: extended this in a secret deal with the Greens. I'll
Speaker 2: explain that in a moment, Ben Carroll today and Victoria
Speaker 2: announcing his Royal commission into conruption on the big build.
Speaker 3: So is this a political stitch up? I suspect it
Speaker 3: is more on that.
Speaker 2: In a moment, class, don't rape, don't sexually assault to
Speaker 2: or make kissing noises at people.
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding you. That's the actual advice handed out.
Speaker 2: To asylum seekers in the UK as an asylum seeker
Speaker 2: religionly rapes an elderly man outside of church in rural
Speaker 2: England and precious still on the trime, Minister Tonight to
Speaker 2: sack the veterans, Minister Matt Kego. I'll speak to a
Speaker 2: veteran tonight who says veterans no longer trust their minister.
Speaker 4: Can the minister name a single ex service organization, one,
Speaker 4: just one which supports his plan to cap access to
Speaker 4: Allied health services for Australian veterans Australian heroes. Minister who
Speaker 4: brought forward Labor's plan to cut three quarters of a
Speaker 4: billion dollars from veterans Allied health support.
Speaker 3: Well, no surprises.
Speaker 2: The Minister could not name one service organization today. I'll
Speaker 2: come back to him with a veteran in a moment,
Speaker 2: But first, today, Commonwealth Dead hits one trillion dollars for
Speaker 2: the first time in our nation's history. And just to
Speaker 2: be clear on how big that is, one thousand million
Speaker 2: equals a billion, one thousand billion equals a trillion, or
Speaker 2: expressed another way, one million millions equals a trillion. Now,
Speaker 2: if it's easier, think of this in terms of time.
Speaker 2: A million seconds equates to eleven point six days. A
Speaker 2: billion seconds, well that's more than thirty years, and a
Speaker 2: trillion seconds. Well that's just over thirty one thousand years.
Speaker 2: So let's not gloss over the numbers too quickly. Let's
Speaker 2: not get used to numbers like this, because whatever way
Speaker 2: you look at it, one trillion dollars is a massive
Speaker 2: amount of money. And if it was just money, that'd
Speaker 2: be one thing. But it's more than that.
Speaker 3: It's debt.
Speaker 2: It's debt that we owe as a nation. It's debt
Speaker 2: that we borrow from overseas. It's debt that we have
Speaker 2: to service by spending billions on interest before government can
Speaker 2: spend money on the essential services that we have a
Speaker 2: right to.
Speaker 3: Expect as taxpayers.
Speaker 2: Let's go back and listen again to those comments from
Speaker 2: former treasure Repeater cost Stello when he spoke to me
Speaker 2: in April on the twentieth anniversary of that day in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, when as a country, Australia had
Speaker 2: paid off its debt and at a commonwealth level at
Speaker 2: least we were debt free. What do you think when
Speaker 2: you look at the fact we're almost on the precipice
Speaker 2: of having one trillion dollars of debt.
Speaker 1: Well, it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: To have worked so hard and to have got Australia
Speaker 5: into such.
Speaker 1: A good condition.
Speaker 5: We were strong, we were admired around the world. I mean,
Speaker 5: the Americans couldn't do this, the British couldn't do this,
Speaker 5: the French couldn't do this, the Germans couldn't do this,
Speaker 5: The Japanese.
Speaker 3: Couldn't do this.
Speaker 5: Australia stood out and we were admired around the world.
Speaker 1: We got our budget under.
Speaker 5: Control, we'd eliminated commonwealth debt net debt.
Speaker 1: We're a shining example of a success story.
Speaker 2: Right Well, we were here we are now just twenty
Speaker 2: years on. Commonwealth debt's gone from zero under Howard and
Speaker 2: Costello to one trillion dollars under alban Easy and Charmers.
Speaker 5: Look at our economic position and I say, we lost
Speaker 5: our way. You know, let me give you two Marcus
Speaker 5: April two thousand and six, no debt April twenty twenty
Speaker 5: six trillion dollars. We lost our way, you know, we
Speaker 5: lost we lost the sense that we could do this.
Speaker 5: We lost the sense that we could we could be special.
Speaker 5: We lost the sense that we were prepared to work
Speaker 5: to make our country better. In economic terms. You know,
Speaker 5: you're either building the pie up or you're running the
Speaker 5: place down. And we've been running the place down. And
Speaker 5: I do feel I do feel sorry for young people.
Speaker 5: I don't think Chalmers's idea to give them higher texes
Speaker 5: is a good idea, but I do feel sorry for
Speaker 5: them because I think for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Their opportunities have been diminished.
Speaker 2: This is why government debt and spending maters as much
Speaker 2: as it does. It's why politicians wasted your money where
Speaker 2: the big amounts of it are on smaller things.
Speaker 3: Is a killer.
Speaker 2: Now, Labour's out there today are basically saying that none
Speaker 2: of this is their fault, that it would have been
Speaker 2: worse if the Liberals were in power.
Speaker 6: The Speaker, if they cared about debt, their policy wouldn't
Speaker 6: be to make it worse.
Speaker 7: Their policy is to make it worse.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Jim, no one's buying that. And if you think
Speaker 2: one trillion and national debt is a problem, wait until
Speaker 2: you factor in the cumulative debt across the states and
Speaker 2: the biggest basket case of all, Victoria.
Speaker 5: The Commord's got about a trillion dollars out in gross debt,
Speaker 5: and the states haven't got quite a trillion, but well
Speaker 5: getting up there at three quarters of a trillion dollars
Speaker 5: at the state level as well.
Speaker 1: Now what that.
Speaker 5: Means is the commonwork government's got to pay interest bill,
Speaker 5: and the state governments have got to pay their interest bill.
Speaker 5: A lot of money going out and interest on inherited
Speaker 5: debty at the moment. It's worse at the state level
Speaker 5: because the states don't really have much of a tax
Speaker 5: base to service their debts.
Speaker 2: There in lies Australia's a big problem, out of control
Speaker 2: debt and no one left in control anymore, who's even
Speaker 2: willing to rein it in Look, let me now bring
Speaker 2: to your attention something I think that most in the
Speaker 2: media appear to have missed, and I really need to
Speaker 2: know about this because the up shot is that foreign
Speaker 2: companies are getting a special tax holiday at the same
Speaker 2: time that the Albanezer government's hitting mum and dad investors.
Speaker 3: So here's what's happening.
Speaker 2: Back in the May budget, the Treasurer announced changes to
Speaker 2: capital gains tax designed to hit every Australian with an investment.
Speaker 2: And we know already that there's been a whole lot
Speaker 2: of unintended consequences like rate hikes and rent hikes, the
Speaker 2: widow's tax, the widow's tax in particular that Labor was
Speaker 2: forced this week to urgently fix with legislation. But here
Speaker 2: is where Australian citizens are being hit at foreign companies
Speaker 2: or they're getting away with a special deal from Labor.
Speaker 2: And it all goes back to the billions and billions
Speaker 2: of foreign money in renewables. Let me explain, on Budget Night,
Speaker 2: while the Treasure was busy doing over any one here
Speaker 2: with a rental property, Jim Charmers was quietly slipping in
Speaker 2: a special deal for foreign investors to avoid the capital
Speaker 2: gains tax hit. There it is in the budget papers
Speaker 2: now as announced. It would give foreigners investing in certain
Speaker 2: renewables in Australia, this is mainly large scale wind and solar,
Speaker 2: a CGT tax break.
Speaker 3: For five years.
Speaker 2: And this was done, I'm told because Chris Baren was
Speaker 2: panicking that Labour's changes to capital gains tax would see
Speaker 2: the big foreign investors in renewables pack up and leave Australia. Well,
Speaker 2: fast forward to this week and it would seem that
Speaker 2: this generous five year tax holiday wasn't generous enough. In
Speaker 2: a dirty deal with the Greens is a way to
Speaker 2: keep this bill out of a Senate inquiry.
Speaker 3: This five year deals.
Speaker 2: Now pushed to be ten years. That's right, The special
Speaker 2: renewables tax deal for foreigners will run out right up
Speaker 2: until twenty forty. So we've got this bizarre situation now
Speaker 2: in this country. At the same time that Albany and
Speaker 2: charmers have announced they're breaking promises to you about not
Speaker 2: putting taxes or touching taxes on your investment property. They're
Speaker 2: giving multinational investors a ten year tax break if they
Speaker 2: invest in Australian wind farms and other renewable assets. I
Speaker 2: mean that you were going to pay a tax hit
Speaker 2: that these foreign companies will not the wind and solar farms.
Speaker 2: Of course that more and more Australians say they do
Speaker 2: not want wrecking their farms or their regional communities staying
Speaker 2: with renewables. Here's to peas in a pod. If ever
Speaker 2: I saw.
Speaker 8: Them have all the reasons for acking on climate change,
Speaker 8: what do you think is it drives us to do
Speaker 8: more all the time.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've only got one planet, Elon Musk hasn't
Speaker 6: found a new home for some Mars yet, so if
Speaker 6: we don't take action, we will fry our own home.
Speaker 9: And there's still a bit of climate denial skepticism about
Speaker 9: what do you say to that?
Speaker 10: What do you say to people aren't you or or
Speaker 10: here those skeptical arguments.
Speaker 1: It's like it's physics. It's like saying I believe in gravity.
Speaker 1: Gravity does not care whether you believe in it or not.
Speaker 2: Chris Brian's out today talking about a new carbon tax
Speaker 2: by default. Well, no surprises, mister Harveside Mansion wanted to
Speaker 2: stand beside him in Canberra. You want to know why
Speaker 2: our energy grid is in such a mess? In one image,
Speaker 2: the two of them there. It is not to mention
Speaker 2: the man, of course who started the inside the Liberal Party. Honestly,
Speaker 2: what did we deserve as a country they have either
Speaker 2: of them in power?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's got a camp it out for the headlines. It's
Speaker 2: the end of the sitting fortnite. There's a bit around
Speaker 2: here's our political reporter cam Reddin good evening.
Speaker 11: The Foreign Minister has expressed her outrage at a decision
Speaker 11: to clear five IDF soldiers who were involved in the
Speaker 11: air strike that killed Australian aid workers Zombie frankem and
Speaker 11: six of her colleagues.
Speaker 12: And we do not have confidence in the IDF's Military
Speaker 12: Advocate General's process given the many unanswered questions.
Speaker 11: Ambassador Hillel Newman says it was all a terrible mistake.
Speaker 13: I do say, I say, we express our seign grief
Speaker 13: with the family.
Speaker 11: But on whether justice has been done.
Speaker 3: What does it mean?
Speaker 13: Justice lynch people in the street.
Speaker 6: No justice is That's why you have a court.
Speaker 12: Australian government will continue to keep pressing his role for justice.
Speaker 11: Australia's national debt has passed the one trillion dollar mark.
Speaker 6: Every minute Austrains pay over fifty two thousand dollars in
Speaker 6: interest on Labour's trillion dollar debt.
Speaker 14: The overwhelming majority of the dollars in gross dead and
Speaker 14: the budget was racked up by those opposite.
Speaker 11: News twenty four has revealed yet more controversial comments from
Speaker 11: the One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts, who four years ago
Speaker 11: made this claim about the twenty twenty US presidential election.
Speaker 6: Do you believe that he lost that election or dold
Speaker 6: you believe there was Stolin other powers involved?
Speaker 13: That's yeah.
Speaker 10: I've got one of my staff is all over the
Speaker 10: American political scene. He knows what's going on. He knows
Speaker 10: about the electrocologism, but deeper behind that. And he was
Speaker 10: telling me that he was unmasking some of the counting
Speaker 10: before it was actually happening, and he sat Trump's walked
Speaker 10: this in, but it was still Stolin.
Speaker 11: And now, despite a string of remarks spanning several years
Speaker 11: that cover keem Trail's false vaccine claims and praise for
Speaker 11: Vladimir Putin. Paul An Hansen is standing by her lieutenant
Speaker 11: Tamon Reddin. News twenty four Canberra.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into the wrap of the fortnite. Joining
Speaker 2: me in our deputy executive director at the IPA, Dan
Speaker 2: Wilde and News twenty four contributor currently Katsimbarnas. I'll get
Speaker 2: into the state of our books in a moment with
Speaker 2: someone who is out of the Treasury Department, but across
Speaker 2: the board, across the board economically bad news. We've got,
Speaker 2: obviously the one trillion dollar debt marker crossed to unemployment
Speaker 2: ticking up in the data out as well. Almost every
Speaker 2: day we've got a story of someone copying higher rents
Speaker 2: or falling house values.
Speaker 3: Dan.
Speaker 2: But Labour says, not us, nothing to do with us,
Speaker 2: and nothing to see here.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think the passing of a trillion dollars national
Speaker 15: debt is a marker of our national economic decline. I mean,
Speaker 15: at one level, there's nothing special about the number. Just
Speaker 15: because it tick diver doesn't mean anything dramatically changes, But
Speaker 15: it's a symbol of how much our country has changed
Speaker 15: in a bad way. We used to be an exceptional country,
Speaker 15: you know, you remember this. We used to be treated
Speaker 15: and looked upon by our international peers as different, as better,
Speaker 15: as exceptional. We were sort of the golden economic boy
Speaker 15: of the national economic community. We had stable finances, We
Speaker 15: had a rapidly growing economy that was based on productivity,
Speaker 15: not population growth underpin by mass migration, but productivity growth.
Speaker 15: We had wealth that was being created because of policy
Speaker 15: that was favorable towards our natural resources, which has been
Speaker 15: the wellspring of growth since settlement. But this is all
Speaker 15: now changed. And as you pointed out in the editorial,
Speaker 15: the state governments are spending like drunken salors. My colleague
Speaker 15: Adam Crichton had to report out today documenting the shocking
Speaker 15: rise to state debt on top of this as well.
Speaker 15: Now when we look at the current government, what role
Speaker 15: are they playing here? Well, as we've talked about before,
Speaker 15: this government is not interested in economic growth. They're interested
Speaker 15: in economic redistribution. So they come into power and what
Speaker 15: they see is a pot of honey that's there and
Speaker 15: they want to take that and distribute it to their
Speaker 15: sectional political interests. So they don't have a growth strategy whatsoever.
Speaker 15: And to the extent that the economy is growing. It's,
Speaker 15: as I said, all from population growth. About ninety percent
Speaker 15: of the growth is from population. None of it's coming
Speaker 15: from productivity. So no wonder people are losing jobs and
Speaker 15: living standards are going backwards.
Speaker 2: Danny is surprised by the work. I found today in
Speaker 2: some legislation that there was a deed for foreign companies
Speaker 2: investing in renewables to have basically a tax free holiday
Speaker 2: whilst mum and dad investors are copying changes to CGT,
Speaker 2: but that that has now been extended out to twenty
Speaker 2: forty and a deal with the Greens to keep this
Speaker 2: legislation away from a Senate inquiry.
Speaker 15: Even I was shocked by this, you know, and I
Speaker 15: probably come at this from a naturally cynical point of view,
Speaker 15: but even I was shocked to find just how brazen
Speaker 15: the government has become with dealing out favors. I mean,
Speaker 15: I just mentioned the sectional interests. I mean, this is
Speaker 15: how it works. They use the economy, They use the
Speaker 15: budget as a funnel, as a financial and economic funnel
Speaker 15: to the interest groups that they prefer, who are politically favorable,
Speaker 15: as you mentioned, to keep the Greens on site. Now
Speaker 15: there's many facets that are concerning the foreign element to this,
Speaker 15: the fact that it's going to continue to underwrite the
Speaker 15: net zero disaster, everything that means for regional communities, as
Speaker 15: you've been discussing now for many years as well. So
Speaker 15: again when you look at the budget, just as you
Speaker 15: have done, and you go through every nook and cranny,
Speaker 15: what you realize again this is not a nationally minded government.
Speaker 15: This is a narrow sectionally minded government.
Speaker 2: Let's go to that decision today by Golf Australia, Carolely,
Speaker 2: because I thought.
Speaker 3: They must have had it wrong.
Speaker 2: You know, we have seen the International Olympic Committee finally
Speaker 2: moved to say biological sex will be the only determinant
Speaker 2: when you are competing as a female or competing as
Speaker 2: a male. It won't be what you identify yourself with.
Speaker 2: But lo and behold, Golf Australia say, well they will
Speaker 2: allow transingendit verse players to compete based on whatever they
Speaker 2: identify as and not their biological sex.
Speaker 3: Well, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 16: I know a thing or two about competitive golf, and
Speaker 16: what I can tell you is this is opening up
Speaker 16: a Pandora's books. It's very difficult for people to get
Speaker 16: onto any professional tour as a man or a woman.
Speaker 16: But once you've got a biological male who has been
Speaker 16: through puberty, they are always stronger than a female. Twenty
Speaker 16: two years ago we have Michelle Wee who missed the
Speaker 16: Sony Open cut in two thousand and four by one
Speaker 16: shot in the Open. There was a lot of what's
Speaker 16: the word enthusiasm and conjecture about that. That was twenty
Speaker 16: two odd years ago. Now there will be pathways for
Speaker 16: people that don't make it onto the male tour, but
Speaker 16: they want to become a professional golfer and they go
Speaker 16: this way and Golf Australia. It's funny they've reversed their
Speaker 16: decision in twenty sixteen. I'm really sorry. The world is
Speaker 16: a very unfair place. But for a small minority of
Speaker 16: people that may be transgender golfers, you don't change the
Speaker 16: rules that have been established to accommodate a small minority.
Speaker 16: It is going to turn things upside down. I'm really sorry.
Speaker 16: When you've gone through puberty, as I said, as a
Speaker 16: biological male, you cannot then decide to go onto the
Speaker 16: women's the women's handicapped system and play women's golf. And
Speaker 16: that's what they're going to do. This is why it's
Speaker 16: been done. It is absolutely ridiculous. We seem to hang
Speaker 16: our hat on decisions by the United Kingdom, but we
Speaker 16: won't accept what the High Court said in the UK
Speaker 16: that you know, a biological female is a woman, right,
Speaker 16: This is madness. The rest of the world is laughing
Speaker 16: at us again.
Speaker 2: And of course we've had a lot to say this
Speaker 2: week about AFL clubs men not treating women with respect.
Speaker 2: I'll leave that for the courts and I support those comments.
Speaker 2: But what about the Australian Women's Football League allowing a
Speaker 2: biological male six foot two ninety odd kilos to compete
Speaker 2: with women?
Speaker 3: Now I'm over six foot.
Speaker 2: There is no way I could out muscle a ninety
Speaker 2: two kilo biological male if I'm in the center square
Speaker 2: or if I'm trying to run for a goal, and
Speaker 2: it's just not going to happen.
Speaker 16: Yeah, and that particular person is Freer Golding. And you've
Speaker 16: had three clubs in Adelaide that have made a complaint
Speaker 16: and they're willing to actually four foot matches so they
Speaker 16: don't need to put their players her at risk of
Speaker 16: in playing against this player. And the AFL still won't
Speaker 16: listen to them either. It is ridiculous. Everything is being
Speaker 16: turned upside down. This does not happen. This doesn't happen
Speaker 16: in the Middle East, this doesn't happen around other places
Speaker 16: of the world. Australia always seems to be cowtowing and
Speaker 16: having to go very woke with some of these things.
Speaker 16: That should just be a very common sense decision. And
Speaker 16: for people out there that say, oh, we're all pro rights,
Speaker 16: wait until perhaps you have children, or you're an aunt
Speaker 16: or an uncle, or you're involved with young people and
Speaker 16: you actually realize the injury risk of this person at
Speaker 16: ninety two kilos as well. I wouldn't want to play
Speaker 16: against them. I'm tall and it's an absolute risk.
Speaker 3: And when you've.
Speaker 16: Got clubs that have made three individual complaints, good on
Speaker 16: them saying to the AFL this needs to be addressed.
Speaker 16: Why the hell are the AFL going on the side
Speaker 16: of the woke. Can't they make a decision. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Let's just be consistent about your words about women. I fell,
Speaker 2: That's all I'd say on that one. Let's go to
Speaker 2: the carbon tax because like a bad penny, it's back.
Speaker 2: No surprises though, of course Dan while because we saw
Speaker 2: sidling up to Chris Bowen and camera was Malcolm Turnbull.
Speaker 2: Malcolm turmwol loved a carbon tax in his day. What
Speaker 2: do you make of this one? That is certainly written
Speaker 2: up in a discussion paper issued today by Chris Bowen.
Speaker 15: Well, there's a lot of facets to this. I've started
Speaker 15: the headline, which is to do with net zero because
Speaker 15: this is all to do with net zero, right, So
Speaker 15: number one is Chris Bowen won't even say the words
Speaker 15: net zero anymore. You remember his National Press Club address
Speaker 15: a couple of weeks ago. He didn't use the words
Speaker 15: net zero in his address because the public doesn't support
Speaker 15: it anymore. But they're continuing with these policies that the
Speaker 15: public doesn't want and that are destroying our economy. But
Speaker 15: why does labor like these policies? Why do they like
Speaker 15: net zero? Because it is a tool to centralize economic control. Okay,
Speaker 15: this is a command and control government and netsz is
Speaker 15: the vehicle they use to achieve that, so they can
Speaker 15: run the economy from their desks in Canberra. So whether
Speaker 15: it's the cars that you can drive, the food that
Speaker 15: you can eat, the houses that you can live in,
Speaker 15: the kind of food that we can grow as a nation,
Speaker 15: the types of industries that we can have, and therefore
Speaker 15: the type of jobs that you can have, and also
Speaker 15: what's taught in our education system around climate change and
Speaker 15: so forth. This is all about having government control over
Speaker 15: our economy. Now, this particular policy couldn't come at a
Speaker 15: worse time. You're going to impose a great, big new
Speaker 15: national tax on everything, because fuel supply is everything. We've
Speaker 15: just been through this. We've just had a situation where
Speaker 15: the price of diesel went up to three plus dollars
Speaker 15: a leter because of the shortages induced by the Iram War,
Speaker 15: exacerbated by bad domestic policy. Now, what the government is
Speaker 15: going to do is basically take what happened there and
Speaker 15: embed that permanently in our economy. They're doing this because
Speaker 15: they want to drum out of existence people who drive
Speaker 15: internal combustion engine vehicles, want everyone to drive an EV,
Speaker 15: and they want to again control the economy in accordance
Speaker 15: with their ideological views. That's exactly what they're trying to
Speaker 15: do with this.
Speaker 2: I'd also say too, they're so behind in all their
Speaker 2: targets and they risk a lot of embarrassment that if
Speaker 2: they get you out of a car, and you can
Speaker 2: see in a lot of cities, now you've got to
Speaker 2: drive at fifty or forty and someone talking thirty kilometers
Speaker 2: an hour and obviously people not using cars that will
Speaker 2: then automatically bring down emissions without any other changes actually
Speaker 2: coming on board. So this is also part of manufacturing
Speaker 2: artificial target meeting artificial targets. This is also on the table.
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you both. Just before we
Speaker 2: get to my next guest, pull En Hanson. Today, well,
Speaker 2: she's ramping up calls for the AFP to give her
Speaker 2: access to an alleged ISIS inspired video manifesto that was
Speaker 2: recorded by the father and son Bondai gunmen before the attack.
Speaker 2: According to court documents, the video shows the two men
Speaker 2: sitting in front of an ISIS flag while Navide Akram
Speaker 2: recites a passage from the Qur'an. Hansen's already lodged a
Speaker 2: Freedom of information requests to get access to the video
Speaker 2: that has been knocked back. Now she's taking the fight
Speaker 2: to the Information Commissioner, arguing it's in the public interest,
Speaker 2: saying Australians are told after a terror attack, national security
Speaker 2: starts with telling the truth Australian should not have to
Speaker 2: wait years to learn the truth.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I understand this is before the courts, but I agree
Speaker 2: with Pauline Hansen here. This is far too important for
Speaker 2: the video to remain secret. It should be made public.
Speaker 2: Now to the big issue of the week, the disgraceful
Speaker 2: conduct of Veterans Affairs Minister back Ko towards a group
Speaker 2: of veterans it traveled to Canberra to appeal the government's
Speaker 2: decision to cut their access to Allied health services. And
Speaker 2: here's a little of what the minister said in the
Speaker 2: Parliament yesterday because it relates specifically to my next guest.
Speaker 4: Former Royal Australian Navy diver and Fair Care for Veteran
Speaker 4: spokesman John Armfield said this after the meeting with the minister.
Speaker 4: I enlisted under the Navy values of courage, honor, honesty
Speaker 4: and loyalty, yet you failed to display any of these values, Minister.
Speaker 14: The circumstances of mister Arnfeld that he has gone through
Speaker 14: and he gave evidence to the Royal Commission about that,
Speaker 14: and I saw that evidence and I've engaged with him
Speaker 14: about the circumstances he had to confront were tragic and
Speaker 14: terrible and I've said that to him, and I've said
Speaker 14: that to him before. A Navy apologized for some of
Speaker 14: that conduct to him as well, and very much should
Speaker 14: have done so.
Speaker 2: Now, John Armfield, the man referenced, there's a former Navy
Speaker 2: clearance diver an incredibly dangerous job, who served in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: He's also become an outspoken advocate for veterans after his
Speaker 2: own brother Andrew, who served in the Air Force very sadly,
Speaker 2: committed suicide in twenty eleven. John was one of the
Speaker 2: group of veterans it made their way to Canberra and
Speaker 2: met with Matt Keo on Monday. He was in the room.
Speaker 2: We'll get his version of events, John joins me. Now, John,
Speaker 2: welcome to the program. So the minister there in the
Speaker 2: Parliament before the media says he's engaged with you about
Speaker 2: your brother's death.
Speaker 3: What do you have to say to that, Peter.
Speaker 9: The only thing, thank you for having me on. The
Speaker 9: only thing I've heard Minister Keo say that's the truth
Speaker 9: this week, is that the situation that I found myself
Speaker 9: in was tragic and terrible. The fact he stated that
Speaker 9: he said that to me, he supported me. Peter, Minister
Speaker 9: Keo is not only lying to himself, He's not only
Speaker 9: lying to me. He has now lied to the Flora Parliament.
Speaker 9: He has now lied to the Prime Minister. He has
Speaker 9: now lied to our nation. Minister Keo, I was asked
Speaker 9: by the Honorable Michael McCormack about defense values and whether
Speaker 9: he adhered. I believe the answer is now obvious. Minister
Speaker 9: Keo does not even have the integrity to be honest
Speaker 9: with those who elected Minister Ko and those at pay salary.
Speaker 3: So John unpacked that for me.
Speaker 2: He's implying that was certainly what I picked up in
Speaker 2: that comment in the house, that he's met you, that
Speaker 2: he's spoken to you. Perhaps it was a phone call,
Speaker 2: if not a formal meeting about your brother's suicide, and
Speaker 2: you're saying that that's not true.
Speaker 9: Peter, I probably today is the most angry have been
Speaker 9: after watching Minister Keo. I sent strue to your office.
Speaker 9: The correspondence I received from Matt Keo on the fourteenth
Speaker 9: of July twenty twenty three came from a no reply
Speaker 9: at PWS dot gov dot Au and it was addressed.
Speaker 9: The email was addressed to eod Tech. You've got it there, It's.
Speaker 3: Got my ear.
Speaker 9: It was addressed to my email and as you can see,
Speaker 9: please find attached a response to your correspondence. I don't
Speaker 9: even know what I'm opening the attachments at the bottom
Speaker 9: and it says Minutester signed like, how dare he stand
Speaker 9: up on the floor of our parliament and say that
Speaker 9: he I'm this guy is taking a salary to represent
Speaker 9: and he doesn't just represent the veterans. He represents the
Speaker 9: service personnel, the people who put the uniform on tomorrow,
Speaker 9: the people who are deployed. Now this is unsatisfactory.
Speaker 3: So when there was.
Speaker 2: You know, questions that took him to task about how
Speaker 2: he treated the delegation. You know that he didn't shake hands,
Speaker 2: that he sat there with his arms crossed, that he
Speaker 2: was winging, he wasn't at the Governor General's drinks. He
Speaker 2: was pushed on that in the Parliament and again imply
Speaker 2: that there are two sides of every story, and he
Speaker 2: would not back in or apologize for his behavior.
Speaker 3: What do you say to that.
Speaker 9: Peter, This minister has probably had it easier than any
Speaker 9: minister for the Veterans, Affairs and Defense personnel. He's in
Speaker 9: a very unique position. He was provided the answers to
Speaker 9: the problem. He was provided recommendations by the Royal Commission.
Speaker 9: Commissioner Nick Caldice clearly said to him and this I
Speaker 9: quote this from the ABC.
Speaker 13: What it tells us is that there are.
Speaker 9: Problems in the barracks, there are problems with the disciplinary system,
Speaker 9: and there are problems with the chain of command. Commission
Speaker 9: of Peggy Brown went further and describing the enemies within.
Speaker 9: This is not combat the situation that Minister care needs
Speaker 9: to deal with. He wants to put a cap on
Speaker 9: those coming out of the military, but he refuses to
Speaker 9: identify and deal with the problem. But again, the problem
Speaker 9: has been identified for him. He's not up to this role.
Speaker 2: So the calls have been for the Prime Minister to
Speaker 2: sack him. Keo was asked today, just name one, just
Speaker 2: one veterans organization who is backing you in. He was
Speaker 2: asked that question twice and twice he avoided it. Is
Speaker 2: there anyone left who supports him? And if there's not,
Speaker 2: what's your message to the Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: I'm happy to take a call from the Prime Minister anytime.
Speaker 13: He was great.
Speaker 9: He made time for our coalition to meet with his
Speaker 9: public servants and advisors and we appreciate that we met
Speaker 9: with some great labor politicians, including I thought Emma Comer
Speaker 9: was amazing. So my message to the Prime Minister is
Speaker 9: the solution, sir, is not the cap. The Raw Commission's investigated,
Speaker 9: it's identified and it's given recommendations. If Matt Keo cannot
Speaker 9: provide a solution the problems already identified, find someone within
Speaker 9: your team that can. There are competent backbenches there that
Speaker 9: will step up. And if Minister Keo cannot implement this,
Speaker 9: we now have a minister that's responsible for both serving
Speaker 9: personnel and veterans who is now failing them.
Speaker 2: Peter Right, I have been inundated this week with support
Speaker 2: from my viewers to pass on to you. They want
Speaker 2: to be able to support you themselves. Where can people go?
Speaker 2: Do you have a petitioned? Is there a website? John Weeks?
Speaker 2: Where can I send people to let you know that
Speaker 2: they have your back?
Speaker 1: Peter Fair Care for Veterans.
Speaker 9: I see it's on the bottom of the screen. There
Speaker 9: is a web page, there is an email and on
Speaker 9: the socials you'll find it on across all the socials
Speaker 9: and if people reach out, because this has to stop,
Speaker 9: those who stand up in Parliament need to tell the truth.
Speaker 9: And if Minister Keo has the courage to address with me,
Speaker 9: addresses issue with me in person, I'm happy to sit
Speaker 9: down and bring the evidence and talk this out on
Speaker 9: your show.
Speaker 13: Or anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, I very happily arbitrate that meeting. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what for a bloke to say in the Parliament and
Speaker 2: certainly imply that it had a personal relationship with you,
Speaker 2: and I know how those emails work. That's just an
Speaker 2: auto reply and that's just a pro formal letter. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to say, John. We'll leave it there, but we'll
Speaker 2: come back to this issue next week.
Speaker 3: Don't worry. I will not let it rest. Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 2: If this has been tough for you, I know many
Speaker 2: of you have written to me and you are really
Speaker 2: upset at what's gone on. You have served, or you
Speaker 2: know someone who's served. Open arms one eight hundred zero
Speaker 2: double one zero four six after they break the milestone
Speaker 2: we didn't want to hit, but we have, haven't. We
Speaker 2: won trillion dollars a federal debt.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Still, come and dig into the detail of what's been
Speaker 2: announced today in relation to victorious Royal commission into Big
Speaker 2: build corruption, although the new premier didn't like to even
Speaker 2: use that word today, But first we knew it was coming.
Speaker 2: We're then now come with it, surpassing that grim milestone
Speaker 2: of one trillion dollars. And just to put things in
Speaker 2: a bit of perspective, twenty years ago, as you heard
Speaker 2: me say earlier, the Howard government two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: it was declared Australia debt free.
Speaker 1: We were admired around the world.
Speaker 5: We got our budget under control, we'd eliminated commonwealth debt
Speaker 5: net debt. We're a shining example of a success story
Speaker 5: right now?
Speaker 3: Did you think it would go back? So far? So far?
Speaker 5: I hope this would be a gift to future generations
Speaker 5: of Australians.
Speaker 2: How far we're fall And joining me in our former
Speaker 2: Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl. David, I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: you were there in the Peter Cristello era, but you
Speaker 2: know when I sat down with him in April, incredibly
Speaker 2: proud about this achievement. But he also said to me,
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize this, that when they established the
Speaker 2: Future Fund, he said, no money has been put into
Speaker 2: the Future Fund since he put that initial lot of
Speaker 2: money in there. There's been not a dollar put in
Speaker 2: by any other government since. When we talk about this
Speaker 2: debt number today, one trillion dollars, why does it matter.
Speaker 6: Well, before I answer that, Peter, I do want to
Speaker 6: unpack the responsibility for this one trillion dollar debt. I
Speaker 6: do think that Jim Chalmers is the current Treasurer, deserves
Speaker 6: his share of blame, but his contribution to the one
Speaker 6: trillion is about one hundred billion.
Speaker 13: The gold medal for.
Speaker 6: Advancing Australia on the path to indebtedness has to go
Speaker 6: to Scott Morrison and Josh Friedenberg. During their time during
Speaker 6: the pandemic, they added four hundred billion dollars to our
Speaker 6: debt and that was because they approved of prolonged lockdowns
Speaker 6: by subsidizing them with job Keeper, So that was the
Speaker 6: gold medal.
Speaker 13: The silver medal.
Speaker 6: Goes to Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swann for their over
Speaker 6: the top response to the global financial crisis. Not the
Speaker 6: first stimulus package, which was reasonable, the second stimulus package
Speaker 6: with pink bats and school halls. So Jim Chalmers does
Speaker 6: deserve a certain amount of blame. But our one trillion
Speaker 6: dollar debt is an indictment of every single government, Both
Speaker 6: coalition and labor we've had in Canberra since Peter Costello
Speaker 6: and John Howard left offers.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you're going to exempt the Abbott era there,
Speaker 2: because there at least was some attempt to deal with debt,
Speaker 2: to deal with debt and a lot of those I
Speaker 2: want to call baked in systemic payments and then start
Speaker 2: taking things off people or that didn't end well. We
Speaker 2: all know what happened there in the twenty five fourteen budget.
Speaker 2: But you're right, Kevin, right, that first in this package
Speaker 2: was supported by the entire parliament. The second one was
Speaker 2: sheer panic. And I was very critical of Fredenberg and
Speaker 2: Morrison because I felt that they panicked as well during
Speaker 2: the lockdowns. And you're right the moment they had that
Speaker 2: national Cabinet and they gave all the power to the
Speaker 2: states to lock us up, and I was in Victoria,
Speaker 2: so no one was more locked up than us. But
Speaker 2: all the financial risk was left to the Commonwealth. There
Speaker 2: was no way that these power drunk premiers were going
Speaker 2: to give it up.
Speaker 13: Absolutely. I'm writing a book.
Speaker 6: Actually I haven't got a publisher yet, but I'm writing
Speaker 6: a book on Australia's economic decline and I've been researching
Speaker 6: our response to the global financial crisis and the pandemic,
Speaker 6: and you're absolutely right, Peter. We had panic from our
Speaker 6: political leaders, supported by panic reading public servants, including Stephen Kennedy,
Speaker 6: who was at the core.
Speaker 13: He was working for Kevin Rudd during the glos A financial.
Speaker 6: Crisis and he was advising Morrison and Freedenberg on Job Keeper.
Speaker 6: So we had a treasury led by people and staff
Speaker 6: by people who are panicking. And I do think that
Speaker 6: Chalmers bears responsibility. I'm very happy to be critical of
Speaker 6: him on this program, but let's not forget our history.
Speaker 6: And I'm glad that you've added your perspective to that, Peter,
Speaker 6: because I'm afraid that if we have another crisis, whether
Speaker 6: it's a security crisis or an economic one, we'll have
Speaker 6: the same panic and that will leave us in at
Speaker 6: the tender mercies, if you like, for global creditors.
Speaker 13: That's what I'm concerned about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right to point that out, because it's not
Speaker 2: like we've got a money tucked away as most people
Speaker 2: try and have in a national government sense anymore. There's
Speaker 2: not much that you can sell. There's a whole lot
Speaker 2: of creative accounting in the books. As you know, a
Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff that bears as an asset, it's
Speaker 2: not really an asset. A lot of big spending programs
Speaker 2: that are off budget. We can't even get the detail
Speaker 2: anywhere about the Capacity Investment Scheme, which we know is
Speaker 2: basically putting up a whole lot of ideas at the flagpole.
Speaker 2: Most of them are failing and it's costing US billions
Speaker 2: and billions.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, But if you look at the official budget books, Peter, So,
Speaker 6: even if you accept them and leave to one side
Speaker 6: all of the tricks you rightly refer to, they've been
Speaker 6: prepared by a treasury and they're fraudulent. They wouldn't be
Speaker 6: passing audit in the private sector. Because they say that
Speaker 6: net debt will stabilize at about twenty percent, our gross
Speaker 6: debt will top out a little bit higher than it
Speaker 6: is now, and the budget returned to surplus, and the assumptions.
Speaker 13: Underpinning that that we have one point two percent a.
Speaker 6: Year productivity growth, we're nowhere near that, that every expiring
Speaker 6: government spinning program is not renewed, and that the NDIS
Speaker 6: will shrink miraculously as a result of these cuts. That's
Speaker 6: denounced and they will have another ten years of bracket
Speaker 6: creep if you remove all of those false assumptions. Yes,
Speaker 6: we don't have a heavy debt burden as a share
Speaker 6: of GDP compared to the US and other countries, but
Speaker 6: our trajectory is truly alarming.
Speaker 3: Not good, David, not good. I'll leave it there.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the analysis, and you're right the blame
Speaker 2: is equally shared right across the board. Before we go
Speaker 2: to the break though, Fiona Brown, you'll remember her, the
Speaker 2: former chief of staff to Linda Reynolds. Well, she's finally
Speaker 2: settled her claim against the Commonwealth for one point four
Speaker 2: eight million, so almost one and a half million. Now
Speaker 2: that's a lot short of what Britney Higgins received, who,
Speaker 2: I might add, has not paid former Senator Linda Reynolds
Speaker 2: what the court said she must pay after she lost
Speaker 2: that case, because of course, when she went to pay,
Speaker 2: Higgins declared herself bankrupt. I'm very happy for Fiona Brown here,
Speaker 2: but I'm staggered she did not receive the same payout
Speaker 2: as Higgins. And I'm also upset that the federal government
Speaker 2: fought her all the way and she still has no apology.
Speaker 2: I want to shout out to her lawyers because I
Speaker 2: know they were pro bono and she was up against
Speaker 2: you know, ten fifteen thousand dollars a day lawyers from
Speaker 2: the federal government. So Dominique Hogan, Dorian Junior Council, Miles
Speaker 2: of Foreign and Walter McCallum, who was the solicitor at
Speaker 2: Russell Kennedy Lawyers. Good on you the standing up for
Speaker 2: justice there. And let's hope Fiona, whose husband's not well,
Speaker 2: finally gets some peace.
Speaker 3: Now up to break Ben Carroll's Royal.
Speaker 2: Commission into the Big Build smoke and mirrors to protect
Speaker 2: his mates, the c if emau I reckon.
Speaker 3: That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Still to come, the shocking guidebook that's being handed out
Speaker 2: in Britain to asylum seekers not to rape or abuse women,
Speaker 2: as if it even needs to be said, but clearly
Speaker 2: it does. But first, now, finally, Ben Carroll announcing the
Speaker 2: terms of his reference, sorry, announce the terms of reference
Speaker 2: for his Royal Commission into the Big Build and serious
Speaker 2: reports of union corruption. This was something he had to
Speaker 2: do because of the politics as he desperately tries to
Speaker 2: save Labour's hide before the November election. Joining me now
Speaker 2: the Australian's Victorian Political editor Anthony Galloway, Well, we knew
Speaker 2: it was coming because this was you know, integrity is
Speaker 2: not optional. By line of day one, we finally get
Speaker 2: the terms of reference. We know the commissioner talk us through.
Speaker 2: I guess you're overall sense how fed income is this.
Speaker 17: It's a wide terms of reference. You know it's going
Speaker 17: after not only the cfm EU. What the Andrews and
Speaker 17: Allen governments knew. It opens the door for for Andrews
Speaker 17: just inter Allen former minister's current ministers Ben Carroll to
Speaker 17: be hauled before the commission, I think. I think notably,
Speaker 17: it also goes into what equals contextual changels. So what
Speaker 17: policy changes were made by the Andrews government that led
Speaker 17: to Victoria Victorian construction sector being so corrupt compared to
Speaker 17: every other state? Why was Victoria so different? Which I
Speaker 17: think will be important. We really need to look at
Speaker 17: not just why, I mean there's bad actors everywhere everywhere, right,
Speaker 17: Why were these bad actors allowed to completely infiltrate the
Speaker 17: CFMUU in Victoria and taxpayer funded work sides and engage
Speaker 17: in this kind of misconduct?
Speaker 3: He had some lines in there too.
Speaker 2: In the terms of reference that I saw reported that
Speaker 2: there would be I guess some attempt to look at
Speaker 2: recovering the money.
Speaker 3: Is that fair?
Speaker 9: Yes, So it will recommend to the government ways it
Speaker 9: can recoup the money lost, which you know corruption expert
Speaker 9: Jeffrey Watson has put at fifteen billion dollars. And there
Speaker 9: will also be in office of what he's calling an
Speaker 9: Office of Special Prosecutor, which will work in tandem with
Speaker 9: the Royal Commission to actually lay charges. The Lawyer X
Speaker 9: situation that blew up because the Special Investigator in that
Speaker 9: case didn't have the ability to actually approve prosecutions.
Speaker 2: Just like IBAC doesn't have the power. So to use
Speaker 2: the word corruption, Yeah, I see this as a bit
Speaker 2: of a red herring. You can have the parallel system,
Speaker 2: but that looks to me again as a way to
Speaker 2: bury it out of the public domain and then two
Speaker 2: or three years down the track, as we saw with
Speaker 2: Lawyer X, nothing really happened with these INDI.
Speaker 17: This Special Prosecutor does have the ability to prosecute by itself.
Speaker 17: It doesn't need the approval of the DPP, which is
Speaker 17: what blew up the Lawyer X.
Speaker 3: I will believe it when I see Anthony.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're as positive as you are, but let's
Speaker 2: hope that's right. What do we know about the commissioner
Speaker 2: because you mentioned there, you know, and the Premiere has
Speaker 2: been quite open that you can call me if you like.
Speaker 2: I expect that Andrews will be called and Alan will
Speaker 2: be called. But we know with the Royal Commission now
Speaker 2: into Bondai, we've not seen the Prime Minister. We've not
Speaker 2: seen Chris Men's call, we've not seen heads of intelligence agencies.
Speaker 2: In the end, if the Commissioner doesn't want to call you,
Speaker 2: you don't get called.
Speaker 17: I think if Daniel Andrews and just CenTra Allen aren't called,
Speaker 17: and you know, relatively quickly. This is a twelve month
Speaker 17: in the inquiry, it has to report by August twenty
Speaker 17: next year. But I think if they're not called, you know,
Speaker 17: that would be some kind of scandal given what we knew,
Speaker 17: and given what we knew, especially justinter Allen as minister.
Speaker 17: I mean people in South Australia are better equipped to
Speaker 17: kind of comment on Christopher Kracas he's a former Chief Justice.
Speaker 17: I guess the opposition, the state opposition he appointed out
Speaker 17: today that he was appointed by a labor government to
Speaker 17: all of his positions, including Chief Justice. So time will tell,
Speaker 17: I guess whether they go harder on that. And it
Speaker 17: will be interesting how if they win government the Coalition,
Speaker 17: how they will broaden the Royal Commission, whether they want
Speaker 17: to put extra commissioners on on the.
Speaker 2: Broad in terms of reference exactly, I have to bone
Speaker 2: up on the rules of the letters pattern because I
Speaker 2: think that requires the approval of Commissioner, the current commissioner
Speaker 2: to do that. But you could also join it, as
Speaker 2: I remember from law school with the Commission in Queensland,
Speaker 2: which would make all that evidence that they've heard horrific
Speaker 2: evidence in Brisbane would automatically become evidence in the Victorian
Speaker 2: case about the sea.
Speaker 17: For me, we'll see you could do something like that.
Speaker 17: I think the big question about this one, and I
Speaker 17: asked Ben Carroll today, is why there's two carve outs.
Speaker 17: It's for legitimate activity taken by unions in relation to
Speaker 17: industrial laws and a H and S laws. Now, I
Speaker 17: asked him, aren't those laws used as a smoke screen?
Speaker 2: Ostensible safety is a shield all the time for these guys.
Speaker 17: Yeah, And will this be an impediment to the Royal
Speaker 17: Commissioner to actually look at hey, ostensibly this is being
Speaker 17: used legitimately, but actually it's one big smoke screen to
Speaker 17: engage in miss CONDUK. He's saying it won't. I guess
Speaker 17: that is a lingering question.
Speaker 2: If I was Jess Wilson and I get into November,
Speaker 2: that's the first bar I would lift. Anthony, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you, all right, quick break after the break, International
Speaker 2: panel will look at that as I say that. Guidelines
Speaker 2: in the UK that have just been issued. It's been
Speaker 2: a huge story there and Meghan and Harry apparently moving
Speaker 2: back to the UK. Do they need this as well
Speaker 2: as everything else? See you soon, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Let's go to this shocking news out of the UK.
Speaker 2: I read it a few times, couldn't believe it. But
Speaker 2: Lisa is a guy that is now being handed out
Speaker 2: by the Foreign Office two asylum seekers on arrival.
Speaker 7: The asylum seekers coming to Britain of being given booklets
Speaker 7: telling them not to rape women, a warning that sex
Speaker 7: with children is illegal in the United Kingdom. The guide
Speaker 7: is freely available on the Home Office website. You can
Speaker 7: see some pictures on your screen now obtained by gb News,
Speaker 7: and also tells migrants that men and women are equal
Speaker 7: under UK law, and then a section on domestic abuse.
Speaker 7: It says that people go to prison if they attack
Speaker 7: their partner.
Speaker 2: Now, my panel, my International Panel on News really for
Speaker 2: contributed Kashagada and former MP Foreign Affairs Defense Committee Chair
Speaker 2: Michael Danby, Michael, how do you have anyone come to
Speaker 2: your country that you have to say, don't rape women,
Speaker 2: men and women are equal, don't rape or sold children.
Speaker 2: Surely if you have to tell them that disqualifies entry from.
Speaker 8: The get go, you would have thought. So it's like
Speaker 8: so extraordinary. I can't believe that if they keep doing
Speaker 8: this kind of stuff, the incumbent labor government won't end
Speaker 8: up like Starma was very unpopular. I just read you
Speaker 8: some of the things that it says. Sexual contact without
Speaker 8: consent is sexual abuse, and it covers coercion or force.
Speaker 8: Sex with someone who's asleep or intoxicated is not permitted
Speaker 8: in the United Kingdom. Come on, really, this is disgusting.
Speaker 8: How does such people get in? And you can understand
Speaker 8: the average brick once them kicked out.
Speaker 2: There was a horrific case the other day of an
Speaker 2: elderly man. I'll say allegedly.
Speaker 3: Because it'll go through before the courts.
Speaker 2: Raped outside a church by a male asylum seeker.
Speaker 18: Yes, that was horrific, and all these cases, but there's
Speaker 18: nothing like a PowerPoint or a little PDF to force assimilation.
Speaker 3: That's basically what they're doing.
Speaker 2: The same government who said these rape gangs weren't happening
Speaker 2: for years.
Speaker 3: And years and years.
Speaker 18: Cognitive dissonance, it's absurd. Everybody knows it. The only solution
Speaker 18: is shut the spigot of immigration and asylum seekers from
Speaker 18: the That's the way you're going to solve this problem,
Speaker 18: not by printing out a PDF of guidelines of how
Speaker 18: to behave.
Speaker 8: In European Court of Human Rights. And they've got to
Speaker 8: just pass laws in Britain that make the courts invulnerable
Speaker 8: to being overruled by that European court, otherwise they just
Speaker 8: can't act on it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there hasn't been sexual assault, rape
Speaker 2: culture in our culture and in Europe, but the statistics
Speaker 2: in Europe now, Michael, with these waves and waves of
Speaker 2: fighting age men out of the Middle East arriving on
Speaker 2: Europe's door step ever since Merkle allowed a million into Germany,
Speaker 2: the statistics are horrific.
Speaker 8: Well, the first Christmas in Cologne after Mutti Merkle admitted
Speaker 8: a million people from this horrific, especially to young women
Speaker 8: just going out for their normal Christmas market shopping. Honestly,
Speaker 8: it's got to stop, and you know, otherwise people will
Speaker 8: get violent.
Speaker 1: In the UK, you can.
Speaker 3: Understand why they're angry.
Speaker 18: Culture, absolutely, and the thing is that how we talk
Speaker 18: about it and the mathematics coming from we know what's
Speaker 18: coming from man now. Unfortunately, the mathematics would suggest things
Speaker 18: like dep rotation, like that's where the conversation shifts because
Speaker 18: there's already critical mass of them in here. So yes,
Speaker 18: you want to stop the door coming in, but then
Speaker 18: you also have to do something with the fact that
Speaker 18: a million people were let in, as you say, so
Speaker 18: many on Beyond that, there's these no go zones. Police
Speaker 18: won't even go and police them in certain parts and
Speaker 18: it's just unrecognizable.
Speaker 2: But what do you do about a little town locked
Speaker 2: pitting ten on three hundred people or something, and they're
Speaker 2: going to put a camp of twelve to fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: again fighting age miles there permanently because they've got nowhere
Speaker 2: to house them.
Speaker 18: This story is making the international news for good reason
Speaker 18: because it's three x three times as many people as
Speaker 18: a population of that town, as you say, four hundred
Speaker 18: residents twelve hundred asylum seekers that go in there. It
Speaker 18: reminded me of the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio that Trump
Speaker 18: made famous in that debate by saying they're eating the
Speaker 18: cats and dogs.
Speaker 3: Whether they are they're not.
Speaker 18: It was the same thing that you're shoving too many
Speaker 18: people numerically into these small towns who didn't ask for it,
Speaker 18: don't want it, didn't vote for it.
Speaker 3: But this is what they're doing.
Speaker 18: I want to sucsay now because of that, and they're
Speaker 18: doing sort of a symbolic vote. They did something on
Speaker 18: the fourth of July. Non coincidentally, they've got another thing
Speaker 18: coming up on the fifteenth. It's not possible because under
Speaker 18: UK law, Parliament has to approve it, but it is
Speaker 18: certainly a good tactic to get international media attention on it.
Speaker 3: We're talking about it.
Speaker 18: Will it actually lead to something that the government does
Speaker 18: and actually doesn't put the asylum secrets there remains.
Speaker 3: To be seen.
Speaker 18: I'm not very hopeful, but at least they're calling a
Speaker 18: lot of attention to this issue.
Speaker 2: I'll come back to you about Betty one just quickly,
Speaker 2: but really quickly, Harry and Meghan coming back to the
Speaker 2: United Kingdom. Clearly they've run out of road in yes La.
Speaker 18: You can see that the deportation strategy is working.
Speaker 3: Ah, Petty woe good or bad? This week terrible.
Speaker 8: Three officers in Israel were reprimanded, two were dismissed. Retired
Speaker 8: Air Chief Marshall Binskin, who she ignored when he came
Speaker 8: back from an Australian authorized thing said, concluded that Israel
Speaker 8: did not deliberately target the aid workers. Terrible that zombie
Speaker 8: was killed, but there was a hummus guy on the
Speaker 8: roof or a security guard on the roof shooting and
Speaker 8: it was a mistake. Terrible mistake that happens in war.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael, Apologies, demart to pologies dandrewbot Late, I'll
Speaker 2: see you Monday.
Speaker 3: He's Andrew. H m hm