WEBVTT - Credlin | 20 August

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<v Speaker 1>Peto Quedlin Live from year twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up

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<v Speaker 2>tonight on Credline. Well, the sorry milestone that no politician

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<v Speaker 2>can celebrate, Commonwealth Dace saws past one trillion dollars today

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<v Speaker 2>and an incredible tax break handed out by labor to

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<v Speaker 2>foreign companies building wind and solar in Australia. They've just

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<v Speaker 2>extended this in a secret deal with the Greens. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>explain that in a moment, Ben Carroll today and Victoria

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<v Speaker 2>announcing his Royal commission into conruption on the big build.

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<v Speaker 3>So is this a political stitch up? I suspect it

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<v Speaker 3>is more on that.

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<v Speaker 2>In a moment, class, don't rape, don't sexually assault to

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<v Speaker 2>or make kissing noises at people.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not kidding you. That's the actual advice handed out.

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<v Speaker 2>To asylum seekers in the UK as an asylum seeker

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<v Speaker 2>religionly rapes an elderly man outside of church in rural

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<v Speaker 2>England and precious still on the trime, Minister Tonight to

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<v Speaker 2>sack the veterans, Minister Matt Kego. I'll speak to a

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<v Speaker 2>veteran tonight who says veterans no longer trust their minister.

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<v Speaker 4>Can the minister name a single ex service organization, one,

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<v Speaker 4>just one which supports his plan to cap access to

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<v Speaker 4>Allied health services for Australian veterans Australian heroes. Minister who

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<v Speaker 4>brought forward Labor's plan to cut three quarters of a

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars from veterans Allied health support.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no surprises.

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<v Speaker 2>The Minister could not name one service organization today. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back to him with a veteran in a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>But first, today, Commonwealth Dead hits one trillion dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time in our nation's history. And just to

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<v Speaker 2>be clear on how big that is, one thousand million

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<v Speaker 2>equals a billion, one thousand billion equals a trillion, or

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<v Speaker 2>expressed another way, one million millions equals a trillion. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's easier, think of this in terms of time.

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<v Speaker 2>A million seconds equates to eleven point six days. A

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<v Speaker 2>billion seconds, well that's more than thirty years, and a

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<v Speaker 2>trillion seconds. Well that's just over thirty one thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's not gloss over the numbers too quickly. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>not get used to numbers like this, because whatever way

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<v Speaker 2>you look at it, one trillion dollars is a massive

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<v Speaker 2>amount of money. And if it was just money, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be one thing. But it's more than that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's debt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's debt that we owe as a nation. It's debt

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<v Speaker 2>that we borrow from overseas. It's debt that we have

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<v Speaker 2>to service by spending billions on interest before government can

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<v Speaker 2>spend money on the essential services that we have a

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<v Speaker 2>right to.

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<v Speaker 3>Expect as taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go back and listen again to those comments from

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<v Speaker 2>former treasure Repeater cost Stello when he spoke to me

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<v Speaker 2>in April on the twentieth anniversary of that day in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, when as a country, Australia had

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<v Speaker 2>paid off its debt and at a commonwealth level at

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<v Speaker 2>least we were debt free. What do you think when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the fact we're almost on the precipice

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<v Speaker 2>of having one trillion dollars of debt.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 5>To have worked so hard and to have got Australia

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<v Speaker 5>into such.

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<v Speaker 1>A good condition.

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<v Speaker 5>We were strong, we were admired around the world. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>the Americans couldn't do this, the British couldn't do this,

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<v Speaker 5>the French couldn't do this, the Germans couldn't do this,

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<v Speaker 5>The Japanese.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't do this.

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<v Speaker 5>Australia stood out and we were admired around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>We got our budget under.

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<v Speaker 5>Control, we'd eliminated commonwealth debt net debt.

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<v Speaker 1>We're a shining example of a success story.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Well, we were here we are now just twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years on. Commonwealth debt's gone from zero under Howard and

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<v Speaker 2>Costello to one trillion dollars under alban Easy and Charmers.

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<v Speaker 5>Look at our economic position and I say, we lost

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<v Speaker 5>our way. You know, let me give you two Marcus

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<v Speaker 5>April two thousand and six, no debt April twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 5>six trillion dollars. We lost our way, you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>lost we lost the sense that we could do this.

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<v Speaker 5>We lost the sense that we could we could be special.

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<v Speaker 5>We lost the sense that we were prepared to work

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<v Speaker 5>to make our country better. In economic terms. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you're either building the pie up or you're running the

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<v Speaker 5>place down. And we've been running the place down. And

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<v Speaker 5>I do feel I do feel sorry for young people.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think Chalmers's idea to give them higher texes

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<v Speaker 5>is a good idea, but I do feel sorry for

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<v Speaker 5>them because I think for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Their opportunities have been diminished.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why government debt and spending maters as much

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<v Speaker 2>as it does. It's why politicians wasted your money where

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<v Speaker 2>the big amounts of it are on smaller things.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Labour's out there today are basically saying that none

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<v Speaker 2>of this is their fault, that it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>worse if the Liberals were in power.

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<v Speaker 6>The Speaker, if they cared about debt, their policy wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be to make it worse.

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<v Speaker 7>Their policy is to make it worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Jim, no one's buying that. And if you think

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<v Speaker 2>one trillion and national debt is a problem, wait until

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<v Speaker 2>you factor in the cumulative debt across the states and

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest basket case of all, Victoria.

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<v Speaker 5>The Commord's got about a trillion dollars out in gross debt,

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<v Speaker 5>and the states haven't got quite a trillion, but well

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<v Speaker 5>getting up there at three quarters of a trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 5>at the state level as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what that.

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<v Speaker 5>Means is the commonwork government's got to pay interest bill,

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<v Speaker 5>and the state governments have got to pay their interest bill.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of money going out and interest on inherited

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<v Speaker 5>debty at the moment. It's worse at the state level

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<v Speaker 5>because the states don't really have much of a tax

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<v Speaker 5>base to service their debts.

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<v Speaker 2>There in lies Australia's a big problem, out of control

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<v Speaker 2>debt and no one left in control anymore, who's even

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<v Speaker 2>willing to rein it in Look, let me now bring

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<v Speaker 2>to your attention something I think that most in the

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<v Speaker 2>media appear to have missed, and I really need to

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<v Speaker 2>know about this because the up shot is that foreign

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<v Speaker 2>companies are getting a special tax holiday at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time that the Albanezer government's hitting mum and dad investors.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the May budget, the Treasurer announced changes to

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<v Speaker 2>capital gains tax designed to hit every Australian with an investment.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know already that there's been a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of unintended consequences like rate hikes and rent hikes, the

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<v Speaker 2>widow's tax, the widow's tax in particular that Labor was

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<v Speaker 2>forced this week to urgently fix with legislation. But here

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<v Speaker 2>is where Australian citizens are being hit at foreign companies

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<v Speaker 2>or they're getting away with a special deal from Labor.

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<v Speaker 2>And it all goes back to the billions and billions

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<v Speaker 2>of foreign money in renewables. Let me explain, on Budget Night,

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<v Speaker 2>while the Treasure was busy doing over any one here

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<v Speaker 2>with a rental property, Jim Charmers was quietly slipping in

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<v Speaker 2>a special deal for foreign investors to avoid the capital

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<v Speaker 2>gains tax hit. There it is in the budget papers

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<v Speaker 2>now as announced. It would give foreigners investing in certain

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<v Speaker 2>renewables in Australia, this is mainly large scale wind and solar,

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<v Speaker 2>a CGT tax break.

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<v Speaker 3>For five years.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was done, I'm told because Chris Baren was

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<v Speaker 2>panicking that Labour's changes to capital gains tax would see

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<v Speaker 2>the big foreign investors in renewables pack up and leave Australia. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>fast forward to this week and it would seem that

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<v Speaker 2>this generous five year tax holiday wasn't generous enough. In

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<v Speaker 2>a dirty deal with the Greens is a way to

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<v Speaker 2>keep this bill out of a Senate inquiry.

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<v Speaker 3>This five year deals.

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<v Speaker 2>Now pushed to be ten years. That's right, The special

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<v Speaker 2>renewables tax deal for foreigners will run out right up

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<v Speaker 2>until twenty forty. So we've got this bizarre situation now

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<v Speaker 2>in this country. At the same time that Albany and

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<v Speaker 2>charmers have announced they're breaking promises to you about not

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<v Speaker 2>putting taxes or touching taxes on your investment property. They're

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<v Speaker 2>giving multinational investors a ten year tax break if they

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<v Speaker 2>invest in Australian wind farms and other renewable assets. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that you were going to pay a tax hit

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<v Speaker 2>that these foreign companies will not the wind and solar farms.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course that more and more Australians say they do

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<v Speaker 2>not want wrecking their farms or their regional communities staying

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<v Speaker 2>with renewables. Here's to peas in a pod. If ever

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<v Speaker 2>I saw.

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<v Speaker 8>Them have all the reasons for acking on climate change,

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<v Speaker 8>what do you think is it drives us to do

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<v Speaker 8>more all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, we've only got one planet, Elon Musk hasn't

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<v Speaker 6>found a new home for some Mars yet, so if

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<v Speaker 6>we don't take action, we will fry our own home.

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<v Speaker 9>And there's still a bit of climate denial skepticism about

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<v Speaker 9>what do you say to that?

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<v Speaker 10>What do you say to people aren't you or or

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<v Speaker 10>here those skeptical arguments.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's physics. It's like saying I believe in gravity.

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<v Speaker 1>Gravity does not care whether you believe in it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Brian's out today talking about a new carbon tax

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<v Speaker 2>by default. Well, no surprises, mister Harveside Mansion wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>stand beside him in Canberra. You want to know why

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<v Speaker 2>our energy grid is in such a mess? In one image,

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<v Speaker 2>the two of them there. It is not to mention

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<v Speaker 2>the man, of course who started the inside the Liberal Party. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>what did we deserve as a country they have either

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<v Speaker 2>of them in power?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's got a camp it out for the headlines. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the sitting fortnite. There's a bit around

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<v Speaker 2>here's our political reporter cam Reddin good evening.

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<v Speaker 11>The Foreign Minister has expressed her outrage at a decision

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<v Speaker 11>to clear five IDF soldiers who were involved in the

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<v Speaker 11>air strike that killed Australian aid workers Zombie frankem and

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<v Speaker 11>six of her colleagues.

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<v Speaker 12>And we do not have confidence in the IDF's Military

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<v Speaker 12>Advocate General's process given the many unanswered questions.

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<v Speaker 11>Ambassador Hillel Newman says it was all a terrible mistake.

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<v Speaker 13>I do say, I say, we express our seign grief

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<v Speaker 13>with the family.

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<v Speaker 11>But on whether justice has been done.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 13>Justice lynch people in the street.

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<v Speaker 6>No justice is That's why you have a court.

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<v Speaker 12>Australian government will continue to keep pressing his role for justice.

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<v Speaker 11>Australia's national debt has passed the one trillion dollar mark.

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<v Speaker 6>Every minute Austrains pay over fifty two thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 6>interest on Labour's trillion dollar debt.

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<v Speaker 14>The overwhelming majority of the dollars in gross dead and

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<v Speaker 14>the budget was racked up by those opposite.

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<v Speaker 11>News twenty four has revealed yet more controversial comments from

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<v Speaker 11>the One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts, who four years ago

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<v Speaker 11>made this claim about the twenty twenty US presidential election.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you believe that he lost that election or dold

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<v Speaker 6>you believe there was Stolin other powers involved?

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<v Speaker 13>That's yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>I've got one of my staff is all over the

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<v Speaker 10>American political scene. He knows what's going on. He knows

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<v Speaker 10>about the electrocologism, but deeper behind that. And he was

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<v Speaker 10>telling me that he was unmasking some of the counting

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<v Speaker 10>before it was actually happening, and he sat Trump's walked

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<v Speaker 10>this in, but it was still Stolin.

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<v Speaker 11>And now, despite a string of remarks spanning several years

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<v Speaker 11>that cover keem Trail's false vaccine claims and praise for

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<v Speaker 11>Vladimir Putin. Paul An Hansen is standing by her lieutenant

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<v Speaker 11>Tamon Reddin. News twenty four Canberra.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's get into the wrap of the fortnite. Joining

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<v Speaker 2>me in our deputy executive director at the IPA, Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Wilde and News twenty four contributor currently Katsimbarnas. I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into the state of our books in a moment with

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<v Speaker 2>someone who is out of the Treasury Department, but across

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<v Speaker 2>the board, across the board economically bad news. We've got,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the one trillion dollar debt marker crossed to unemployment

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<v Speaker 2>ticking up in the data out as well. Almost every

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<v Speaker 2>day we've got a story of someone copying higher rents

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<v Speaker 2>or falling house values.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>But Labour says, not us, nothing to do with us,

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<v Speaker 2>and nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I think the passing of a trillion dollars national

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<v Speaker 15>debt is a marker of our national economic decline. I mean,

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<v Speaker 15>at one level, there's nothing special about the number. Just

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<v Speaker 15>because it tick diver doesn't mean anything dramatically changes, But

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<v Speaker 15>it's a symbol of how much our country has changed

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<v Speaker 15>in a bad way. We used to be an exceptional country,

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<v Speaker 15>you know, you remember this. We used to be treated

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<v Speaker 15>and looked upon by our international peers as different, as better,

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<v Speaker 15>as exceptional. We were sort of the golden economic boy

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<v Speaker 15>of the national economic community. We had stable finances, We

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<v Speaker 15>had a rapidly growing economy that was based on productivity,

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<v Speaker 15>not population growth underpin by mass migration, but productivity growth.

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<v Speaker 15>We had wealth that was being created because of policy

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<v Speaker 15>that was favorable towards our natural resources, which has been

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<v Speaker 15>the wellspring of growth since settlement. But this is all

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<v Speaker 15>now changed. And as you pointed out in the editorial,

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<v Speaker 15>the state governments are spending like drunken salors. My colleague

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<v Speaker 15>Adam Crichton had to report out today documenting the shocking

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<v Speaker 15>rise to state debt on top of this as well.

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<v Speaker 15>Now when we look at the current government, what role

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<v Speaker 15>are they playing here? Well, as we've talked about before,

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<v Speaker 15>this government is not interested in economic growth. They're interested

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<v Speaker 15>in economic redistribution. So they come into power and what

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<v Speaker 15>they see is a pot of honey that's there and

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<v Speaker 15>they want to take that and distribute it to their

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<v Speaker 15>sectional political interests. So they don't have a growth strategy whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 15>And to the extent that the economy is growing. It's,

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<v Speaker 15>as I said, all from population growth. About ninety percent

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<v Speaker 15>of the growth is from population. None of it's coming

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<v Speaker 15>from productivity. So no wonder people are losing jobs and

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<v Speaker 15>living standards are going backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Danny is surprised by the work. I found today in

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<v Speaker 2>some legislation that there was a deed for foreign companies

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<v Speaker 2>investing in renewables to have basically a tax free holiday

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<v Speaker 2>whilst mum and dad investors are copying changes to CGT,

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<v Speaker 2>but that that has now been extended out to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>forty and a deal with the Greens to keep this

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<v Speaker 2>legislation away from a Senate inquiry.

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<v Speaker 15>Even I was shocked by this, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 15>probably come at this from a naturally cynical point of view,

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<v Speaker 15>but even I was shocked to find just how brazen

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<v Speaker 15>the government has become with dealing out favors. I mean,

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<v Speaker 15>I just mentioned the sectional interests. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 15>how it works. They use the economy, They use the

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<v Speaker 15>budget as a funnel, as a financial and economic funnel

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<v Speaker 15>to the interest groups that they prefer, who are politically favorable,

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<v Speaker 15>as you mentioned, to keep the Greens on site. Now

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<v Speaker 15>there's many facets that are concerning the foreign element to this,

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<v Speaker 15>the fact that it's going to continue to underwrite the

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<v Speaker 15>net zero disaster, everything that means for regional communities, as

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<v Speaker 15>you've been discussing now for many years as well. So

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<v Speaker 15>again when you look at the budget, just as you

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<v Speaker 15>have done, and you go through every nook and cranny,

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<v Speaker 15>what you realize again this is not a nationally minded government.

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<v Speaker 15>This is a narrow sectionally minded government.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to that decision today by Golf Australia, Carolely,

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<v Speaker 2>because I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>They must have had it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we have seen the International Olympic Committee finally

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<v Speaker 2>moved to say biological sex will be the only determinant

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<v Speaker 2>when you are competing as a female or competing as

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<v Speaker 2>a male. It won't be what you identify yourself with.

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<v Speaker 2>But lo and behold, Golf Australia say, well they will

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<v Speaker 2>allow transingendit verse players to compete based on whatever they

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<v Speaker 2>identify as and not their biological sex.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 16>I know a thing or two about competitive golf, and

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<v Speaker 16>what I can tell you is this is opening up

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<v Speaker 16>a Pandora's books. It's very difficult for people to get

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<v Speaker 16>onto any professional tour as a man or a woman.

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<v Speaker 16>But once you've got a biological male who has been

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<v Speaker 16>through puberty, they are always stronger than a female. Twenty

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<v Speaker 16>two years ago we have Michelle Wee who missed the

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<v Speaker 16>Sony Open cut in two thousand and four by one

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<v Speaker 16>shot in the Open. There was a lot of what's

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<v Speaker 16>the word enthusiasm and conjecture about that. That was twenty

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<v Speaker 16>two odd years ago. Now there will be pathways for

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<v Speaker 16>people that don't make it onto the male tour, but

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<v Speaker 16>they want to become a professional golfer and they go

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<v Speaker 16>this way and Golf Australia. It's funny they've reversed their

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<v Speaker 16>decision in twenty sixteen. I'm really sorry. The world is

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<v Speaker 16>a very unfair place. But for a small minority of

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<v Speaker 16>people that may be transgender golfers, you don't change the

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<v Speaker 16>rules that have been established to accommodate a small minority.

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<v Speaker 16>It is going to turn things upside down. I'm really sorry.

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<v Speaker 16>When you've gone through puberty, as I said, as a

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<v Speaker 16>biological male, you cannot then decide to go onto the

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<v Speaker 16>women's the women's handicapped system and play women's golf. And

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<v Speaker 16>that's what they're going to do. This is why it's

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<v Speaker 16>been done. It is absolutely ridiculous. We seem to hang

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<v Speaker 16>our hat on decisions by the United Kingdom, but we

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<v Speaker 16>won't accept what the High Court said in the UK

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<v Speaker 16>that you know, a biological female is a woman, right,

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<v Speaker 16>This is madness. The rest of the world is laughing

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<v Speaker 16>at us again.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we've had a lot to say this

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<v Speaker 2>week about AFL clubs men not treating women with respect.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll leave that for the courts and I support those comments.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about the Australian Women's Football League allowing a

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<v Speaker 2>biological male six foot two ninety odd kilos to compete

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<v Speaker 2>with women?

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm over six foot.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no way I could out muscle a ninety

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<v Speaker 2>two kilo biological male if I'm in the center square

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<v Speaker 2>or if I'm trying to run for a goal, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, and that particular person is Freer Golding. And you've

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<v Speaker 16>had three clubs in Adelaide that have made a complaint

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<v Speaker 16>and they're willing to actually four foot matches so they

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<v Speaker 16>don't need to put their players her at risk of

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<v Speaker 16>in playing against this player. And the AFL still won't

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<v Speaker 16>listen to them either. It is ridiculous. Everything is being

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<v Speaker 16>turned upside down. This does not happen. This doesn't happen

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<v Speaker 16>in the Middle East, this doesn't happen around other places

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<v Speaker 16>of the world. Australia always seems to be cowtowing and

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<v Speaker 16>having to go very woke with some of these things.

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<v Speaker 16>That should just be a very common sense decision. And

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<v Speaker 16>for people out there that say, oh, we're all pro rights,

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<v Speaker 16>wait until perhaps you have children, or you're an aunt

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<v Speaker 16>or an uncle, or you're involved with young people and

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<v Speaker 16>you actually realize the injury risk of this person at

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<v Speaker 16>ninety two kilos as well. I wouldn't want to play

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<v Speaker 16>against them. I'm tall and it's an absolute risk.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you've.

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<v Speaker 16>Got clubs that have made three individual complaints, good on

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<v Speaker 16>them saying to the AFL this needs to be addressed.

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<v Speaker 16>Why the hell are the AFL going on the side

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<v Speaker 16>of the woke. Can't they make a decision. This is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just be consistent about your words about women. I fell,

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'd say on that one. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>the carbon tax because like a bad penny, it's back.

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<v Speaker 2>No surprises though, of course Dan while because we saw

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<v Speaker 2>sidling up to Chris Bowen and camera was Malcolm Turnbull.

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm turmwol loved a carbon tax in his day. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you make of this one? That is certainly written

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<v Speaker 2>up in a discussion paper issued today by Chris Bowen.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, there's a lot of facets to this. I've started

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<v Speaker 15>the headline, which is to do with net zero because

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<v Speaker 15>this is all to do with net zero, right, So

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<v Speaker 15>number one is Chris Bowen won't even say the words

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<v Speaker 15>net zero anymore. You remember his National Press Club address

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<v Speaker 15>a couple of weeks ago. He didn't use the words

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<v Speaker 15>net zero in his address because the public doesn't support

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<v Speaker 15>it anymore. But they're continuing with these policies that the

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<v Speaker 15>public doesn't want and that are destroying our economy. But

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<v Speaker 15>why does labor like these policies? Why do they like

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<v Speaker 15>net zero? Because it is a tool to centralize economic control. Okay,

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<v Speaker 15>this is a command and control government and netsz is

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<v Speaker 15>the vehicle they use to achieve that, so they can

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<v Speaker 15>run the economy from their desks in Canberra. So whether

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<v Speaker 15>it's the cars that you can drive, the food that

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<v Speaker 15>you can eat, the houses that you can live in,

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<v Speaker 15>the kind of food that we can grow as a nation,

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<v Speaker 15>the types of industries that we can have, and therefore

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<v Speaker 15>the type of jobs that you can have, and also

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<v Speaker 15>what's taught in our education system around climate change and

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<v Speaker 15>so forth. This is all about having government control over

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.080
<v Speaker 15>our economy. Now, this particular policy couldn't come at a

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<v Speaker 15>worse time. You're going to impose a great, big new

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<v Speaker 15>national tax on everything, because fuel supply is everything. We've

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<v Speaker 15>just been through this. We've just had a situation where

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<v Speaker 15>the price of diesel went up to three plus dollars

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<v Speaker 15>a leter because of the shortages induced by the Iram War,

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<v Speaker 15>exacerbated by bad domestic policy. Now, what the government is

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<v Speaker 15>going to do is basically take what happened there and

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<v Speaker 15>embed that permanently in our economy. They're doing this because

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<v Speaker 15>they want to drum out of existence people who drive

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<v Speaker 15>internal combustion engine vehicles, want everyone to drive an EV,

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<v Speaker 15>and they want to again control the economy in accordance

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<v Speaker 15>with their ideological views. That's exactly what they're trying to

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<v Speaker 15>do with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd also say too, they're so behind in all their

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<v Speaker 2>targets and they risk a lot of embarrassment that if

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<v Speaker 2>they get you out of a car, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>see in a lot of cities, now you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>drive at fifty or forty and someone talking thirty kilometers

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and obviously people not using cars that will

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<v Speaker 2>then automatically bring down emissions without any other changes actually

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<v Speaker 2>coming on board. So this is also part of manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>artificial target meeting artificial targets. This is also on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll leave it there, thank you both. Just before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to my next guest, pull En Hanson. Today, well,

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<v Speaker 2>she's ramping up calls for the AFP to give her

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<v Speaker 2>access to an alleged ISIS inspired video manifesto that was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded by the father and son Bondai gunmen before the attack.

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<v Speaker 2>According to court documents, the video shows the two men

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in front of an ISIS flag while Navide Akram

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<v Speaker 2>recites a passage from the Qur'an. Hansen's already lodged a

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom of information requests to get access to the video

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<v Speaker 2>that has been knocked back. Now she's taking the fight

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<v Speaker 2>to the Information Commissioner, arguing it's in the public interest,

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<v Speaker 2>saying Australians are told after a terror attack, national security

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<v Speaker 2>starts with telling the truth Australian should not have to

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<v Speaker 2>wait years to learn the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand this is before the courts, but I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with Pauline Hansen here. This is far too important for

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<v Speaker 2>the video to remain secret. It should be made public.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to the big issue of the week, the disgraceful

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<v Speaker 2>conduct of Veterans Affairs Minister back Ko towards a group

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<v Speaker 2>of veterans it traveled to Canberra to appeal the government's

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<v Speaker 2>decision to cut their access to Allied health services. And

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<v Speaker 2>here's a little of what the minister said in the

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament yesterday because it relates specifically to my next guest.

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<v Speaker 4>Former Royal Australian Navy diver and Fair Care for Veteran

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<v Speaker 4>spokesman John Armfield said this after the meeting with the minister.

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<v Speaker 4>I enlisted under the Navy values of courage, honor, honesty

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<v Speaker 4>and loyalty, yet you failed to display any of these values, Minister.

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<v Speaker 14>The circumstances of mister Arnfeld that he has gone through

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<v Speaker 14>and he gave evidence to the Royal Commission about that,

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<v Speaker 14>and I saw that evidence and I've engaged with him

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<v Speaker 14>about the circumstances he had to confront were tragic and

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<v Speaker 14>terrible and I've said that to him, and I've said

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<v Speaker 14>that to him before. A Navy apologized for some of

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<v Speaker 14>that conduct to him as well, and very much should

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<v Speaker 14>have done so.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, John Armfield, the man referenced, there's a former Navy

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<v Speaker 2>clearance diver an incredibly dangerous job, who served in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also become an outspoken advocate for veterans after his

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<v Speaker 2>own brother Andrew, who served in the Air Force very sadly,

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 2>committed suicide in twenty eleven. John was one of the

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>group of veterans it made their way to Canberra and

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<v Speaker 2>met with Matt Keo on Monday. He was in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get his version of events, John joins me. Now, John,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the program. So the minister there in the

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament before the media says he's engaged with you about

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<v Speaker 2>your brother's death.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you have to say to that, Peter.

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<v Speaker 9>The only thing, thank you for having me on. The

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<v Speaker 9>only thing I've heard Minister Keo say that's the truth

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<v Speaker 9>this week, is that the situation that I found myself

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<v Speaker 9>in was tragic and terrible. The fact he stated that

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:51.360
<v Speaker 9>he said that to me, he supported me. Peter, Minister

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 9>Keo is not only lying to himself, He's not only

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 9>lying to me. He has now lied to the Flora Parliament.

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 9>He has now lied to the Prime Minister. He has

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<v Speaker 9>now lied to our nation. Minister Keo, I was asked

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 9>by the Honorable Michael McCormack about defense values and whether

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 9>he adhered. I believe the answer is now obvious. Minister

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 9>Keo does not even have the integrity to be honest

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 9>with those who elected Minister Ko and those at pay salary.

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<v Speaker 3>So John unpacked that for me.

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<v Speaker 2>He's implying that was certainly what I picked up in

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that comment in the house, that he's met you, that

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>he's spoken to you. Perhaps it was a phone call,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:36.120
<v Speaker 2>if not a formal meeting about your brother's suicide, and

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:37.640
<v Speaker 2>you're saying that that's not true.

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<v Speaker 9>Peter, I probably today is the most angry have been

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 9>after watching Minister Keo. I sent strue to your office.

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 9>The correspondence I received from Matt Keo on the fourteenth

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 9>of July twenty twenty three came from a no reply

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<v Speaker 9>at PWS dot gov dot Au and it was addressed.

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<v Speaker 9>The email was addressed to eod Tech. You've got it there, It's.

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<v Speaker 3>Got my ear.

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 9>It was addressed to my email and as you can see,

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 9>please find attached a response to your correspondence. I don't

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 9>even know what I'm opening the attachments at the bottom

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 9>and it says Minutester signed like, how dare he stand

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 9>up on the floor of our parliament and say that

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 9>he I'm this guy is taking a salary to represent

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 9>and he doesn't just represent the veterans. He represents the

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 9>service personnel, the people who put the uniform on tomorrow,

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 9>the people who are deployed. Now this is unsatisfactory.

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:41.360
<v Speaker 3>So when there was.

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, questions that took him to task about how

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>he treated the delegation. You know that he didn't shake hands,

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>that he sat there with his arms crossed, that he

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 2>was winging, he wasn't at the Governor General's drinks. He

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>was pushed on that in the Parliament and again imply

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 2>that there are two sides of every story, and he

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 2>would not back in or apologize for his behavior.

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 3>What do you say to that.

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<v Speaker 9>Peter, This minister has probably had it easier than any

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 9>minister for the Veterans, Affairs and Defense personnel. He's in

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 9>a very unique position. He was provided the answers to

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 9>the problem. He was provided recommendations by the Royal Commission.

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 9>Commissioner Nick Caldice clearly said to him and this I

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 9>quote this from the ABC.

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<v Speaker 13>What it tells us is that there are.

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<v Speaker 9>Problems in the barracks, there are problems with the disciplinary system,

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 9>and there are problems with the chain of command. Commission

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 9>of Peggy Brown went further and describing the enemies within.

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 9>This is not combat the situation that Minister care needs

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 9>to deal with. He wants to put a cap on

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 9>those coming out of the military, but he refuses to

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 9>identify and deal with the problem. But again, the problem

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 9>has been identified for him. He's not up to this role.

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>So the calls have been for the Prime Minister to

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>sack him. Keo was asked today, just name one, just

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>one veterans organization who is backing you in. He was

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 2>asked that question twice and twice he avoided it. Is

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>there anyone left who supports him? And if there's not,

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>what's your message to the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm happy to take a call from the Prime Minister anytime.

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 13>He was great.

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 9>He made time for our coalition to meet with his

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 9>public servants and advisors and we appreciate that we met

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 9>with some great labor politicians, including I thought Emma Comer

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 9>was amazing. So my message to the Prime Minister is

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 9>the solution, sir, is not the cap. The Raw Commission's investigated,

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 9>it's identified and it's given recommendations. If Matt Keo cannot

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 9>provide a solution the problems already identified, find someone within

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 9>your team that can. There are competent backbenches there that

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 9>will step up. And if Minister Keo cannot implement this,

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 9>we now have a minister that's responsible for both serving

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 9>personnel and veterans who is now failing them.

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Peter Right, I have been inundated this week with support

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>from my viewers to pass on to you. They want

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 2>to be able to support you themselves. Where can people go?

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a petitioned? Is there a website? John Weeks?

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Where can I send people to let you know that

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 2>they have your back?

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Peter Fair Care for Veterans.

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 9>I see it's on the bottom of the screen. There

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.719
<v Speaker 9>is a web page, there is an email and on

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 9>the socials you'll find it on across all the socials

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 9>and if people reach out, because this has to stop,

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 9>those who stand up in Parliament need to tell the truth.

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 9>And if Minister Keo has the courage to address with me,

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 9>addresses issue with me in person, I'm happy to sit

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 9>down and bring the evidence and talk this out on

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 9>your show.

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 13>Or anywhere else.

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I very happily arbitrate that meeting. I'll tell you

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>what for a bloke to say in the Parliament and

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 2>certainly imply that it had a personal relationship with you,

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:19.479
<v Speaker 2>and I know how those emails work. That's just an

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 2>auto reply and that's just a pro formal letter. I'm

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 2>sorry to say, John. We'll leave it there, but we'll

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 2>come back to this issue next week.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry. I will not let it rest. Thank you, Jason.

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 2>If this has been tough for you, I know many

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>of you have written to me and you are really

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>upset at what's gone on. You have served, or you

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>know someone who's served. Open arms one eight hundred zero

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>double one zero four six after they break the milestone

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>we didn't want to hit, but we have, haven't. We

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>won trillion dollars a federal debt.

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Still, come and dig into the detail of what's been

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 2>announced today in relation to victorious Royal commission into Big

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>build corruption, although the new premier didn't like to even

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>use that word today, But first we knew it was coming.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>We're then now come with it, surpassing that grim milestone

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>of one trillion dollars. And just to put things in

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>a bit of perspective, twenty years ago, as you heard

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>me say earlier, the Howard government two thousand and six,

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>it was declared Australia debt free.

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>We were admired around the world.

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<v Speaker 5>We got our budget under control, we'd eliminated commonwealth debt

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 5>net debt. We're a shining example of a success story

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 5>right now?

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Did you think it would go back? So far? So far?

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 5>I hope this would be a gift to future generations

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 5>of Australians.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 2>How far we're fall And joining me in our former

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl. David, I'm not sure if

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 2>you were there in the Peter Cristello era, but you

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 2>know when I sat down with him in April, incredibly

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>proud about this achievement. But he also said to me,

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't realize this, that when they established the

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Future Fund, he said, no money has been put into

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the Future Fund since he put that initial lot of

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 2>money in there. There's been not a dollar put in

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>by any other government since. When we talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>debt number today, one trillion dollars, why does it matter.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, before I answer that, Peter, I do want to

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 6>unpack the responsibility for this one trillion dollar debt. I

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 6>do think that Jim Chalmers is the current Treasurer, deserves

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 6>his share of blame, but his contribution to the one

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 6>trillion is about one hundred billion.

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 13>The gold medal for.

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 6>Advancing Australia on the path to indebtedness has to go

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 6>to Scott Morrison and Josh Friedenberg. During their time during

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 6>the pandemic, they added four hundred billion dollars to our

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 6>debt and that was because they approved of prolonged lockdowns

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 6>by subsidizing them with job Keeper, So that was the

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 6>gold medal.

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 13>The silver medal.

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 6>Goes to Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swann for their over

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 6>the top response to the global financial crisis. Not the

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 6>first stimulus package, which was reasonable, the second stimulus package

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 6>with pink bats and school halls. So Jim Chalmers does

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 6>deserve a certain amount of blame. But our one trillion

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 6>dollar debt is an indictment of every single government, Both

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 6>coalition and labor we've had in Canberra since Peter Costello

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 6>and John Howard left offers.

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope you're going to exempt the Abbott era there,

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>because there at least was some attempt to deal with debt,

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to deal with debt and a lot of those I

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>want to call baked in systemic payments and then start

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>taking things off people or that didn't end well. We

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>all know what happened there in the twenty five fourteen budget.

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, Kevin, right, that first in this package

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>was supported by the entire parliament. The second one was

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 2>sheer panic. And I was very critical of Fredenberg and

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 2>Morrison because I felt that they panicked as well during

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the lockdowns. And you're right the moment they had that

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>national Cabinet and they gave all the power to the

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 2>states to lock us up, and I was in Victoria,

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>so no one was more locked up than us. But

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>all the financial risk was left to the Commonwealth. There

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 2>was no way that these power drunk premiers were going

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to give it up.

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 13>Absolutely. I'm writing a book.

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 6>Actually I haven't got a publisher yet, but I'm writing

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 6>a book on Australia's economic decline and I've been researching

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 6>our response to the global financial crisis and the pandemic,

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 6>and you're absolutely right, Peter. We had panic from our

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 6>political leaders, supported by panic reading public servants, including Stephen Kennedy,

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 6>who was at the core.

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 13>He was working for Kevin Rudd during the glos A financial.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 6>Crisis and he was advising Morrison and Freedenberg on Job Keeper.

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 6>So we had a treasury led by people and staff

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 6>by people who are panicking. And I do think that

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 6>Chalmers bears responsibility. I'm very happy to be critical of

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 6>him on this program, but let's not forget our history.

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.399
<v Speaker 6>And I'm glad that you've added your perspective to that, Peter,

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 6>because I'm afraid that if we have another crisis, whether

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 6>it's a security crisis or an economic one, we'll have

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 6>the same panic and that will leave us in at

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 6>the tender mercies, if you like, for global creditors.

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 13>That's what I'm concerned about.

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right to point that out, because it's not

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 2>like we've got a money tucked away as most people

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>try and have in a national government sense anymore. There's

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 2>not much that you can sell. There's a whole lot

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 2>of creative accounting in the books. As you know, a

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of stuff that bears as an asset, it's

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>not really an asset. A lot of big spending programs

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 2>that are off budget. We can't even get the detail

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 2>anywhere about the Capacity Investment Scheme, which we know is

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>basically putting up a whole lot of ideas at the flagpole.

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Most of them are failing and it's costing US billions

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and billions.

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, But if you look at the official budget books, Peter, So,

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 6>even if you accept them and leave to one side

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 6>all of the tricks you rightly refer to, they've been

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 6>prepared by a treasury and they're fraudulent. They wouldn't be

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 6>passing audit in the private sector. Because they say that

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 6>net debt will stabilize at about twenty percent, our gross

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 6>debt will top out a little bit higher than it

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 6>is now, and the budget returned to surplus, and the assumptions.

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 13>Underpinning that that we have one point two percent a.

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 6>Year productivity growth, we're nowhere near that, that every expiring

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 6>government spinning program is not renewed, and that the NDIS

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 6>will shrink miraculously as a result of these cuts. That's

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 6>denounced and they will have another ten years of bracket

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 6>creep if you remove all of those false assumptions. Yes,

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 6>we don't have a heavy debt burden as a share

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 6>of GDP compared to the US and other countries, but

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 6>our trajectory is truly alarming.

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Not good, David, not good. I'll leave it there.

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the analysis, and you're right the blame

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 2>is equally shared right across the board. Before we go

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>to the break though, Fiona Brown, you'll remember her, the

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>former chief of staff to Linda Reynolds. Well, she's finally

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>settled her claim against the Commonwealth for one point four

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.399
<v Speaker 2>eight million, so almost one and a half million. Now

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot short of what Britney Higgins received, who,

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I might add, has not paid former Senator Linda Reynolds

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<v Speaker 2>what the court said she must pay after she lost

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>that case, because of course, when she went to pay,

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Higgins declared herself bankrupt. I'm very happy for Fiona Brown here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm staggered she did not receive the same payout

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<v Speaker 2>as Higgins. And I'm also upset that the federal government

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>fought her all the way and she still has no apology.

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I want to shout out to her lawyers because I

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 2>know they were pro bono and she was up against

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, ten fifteen thousand dollars a day lawyers from

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the federal government. So Dominique Hogan, Dorian Junior Council, Miles

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>of Foreign and Walter McCallum, who was the solicitor at

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Russell Kennedy Lawyers. Good on you the standing up for

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<v Speaker 2>justice there. And let's hope Fiona, whose husband's not well,

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>finally gets some peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Now up to break Ben Carroll's Royal.

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Commission into the Big Build smoke and mirrors to protect

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.439
<v Speaker 2>his mates, the c if emau I reckon.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Still to come, the shocking guidebook that's being handed out

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 2>in Britain to asylum seekers not to rape or abuse women,

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<v Speaker 2>as if it even needs to be said, but clearly

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<v Speaker 2>it does. But first, now, finally, Ben Carroll announcing the

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>terms of his reference, sorry, announce the terms of reference

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 2>for his Royal Commission into the Big Build and serious

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 2>reports of union corruption. This was something he had to

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 2>do because of the politics as he desperately tries to

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 2>save Labour's hide before the November election. Joining me now

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian's Victorian Political editor Anthony Galloway, Well, we knew

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 2>it was coming because this was you know, integrity is

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 2>not optional. By line of day one, we finally get

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the terms of reference. We know the commissioner talk us through.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you're overall sense how fed income is this.

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<v Speaker 17>It's a wide terms of reference. You know it's going

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<v Speaker 17>after not only the cfm EU. What the Andrews and

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 17>Allen governments knew. It opens the door for for Andrews

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 17>just inter Allen former minister's current ministers Ben Carroll to

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 17>be hauled before the commission, I think. I think notably,

0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 17>it also goes into what equals contextual changels. So what

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 17>policy changes were made by the Andrews government that led

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<v Speaker 17>to Victoria Victorian construction sector being so corrupt compared to

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 17>every other state? Why was Victoria so different? Which I

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 17>think will be important. We really need to look at

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 17>not just why, I mean there's bad actors everywhere everywhere, right,

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 17>Why were these bad actors allowed to completely infiltrate the

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 17>CFMUU in Victoria and taxpayer funded work sides and engage

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<v Speaker 17>in this kind of misconduct?

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<v Speaker 3>He had some lines in there too.

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<v Speaker 2>In the terms of reference that I saw reported that

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<v Speaker 2>there would be I guess some attempt to look at

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<v Speaker 2>recovering the money.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, So it will recommend to the government ways it

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 9>can recoup the money lost, which you know corruption expert

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 9>Jeffrey Watson has put at fifteen billion dollars. And there

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 9>will also be in office of what he's calling an

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 9>Office of Special Prosecutor, which will work in tandem with

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 9>the Royal Commission to actually lay charges. The Lawyer X

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 9>situation that blew up because the Special Investigator in that

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 9>case didn't have the ability to actually approve prosecutions.

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Just like IBAC doesn't have the power. So to use

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<v Speaker 2>the word corruption, Yeah, I see this as a bit

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 2>of a red herring. You can have the parallel system,

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 2>but that looks to me again as a way to

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 2>bury it out of the public domain and then two

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 2>or three years down the track, as we saw with

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Lawyer X, nothing really happened with these INDI.

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<v Speaker 17>This Special Prosecutor does have the ability to prosecute by itself.

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 17>It doesn't need the approval of the DPP, which is

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 17>what blew up the Lawyer X.

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<v Speaker 3>I will believe it when I see Anthony.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you're as positive as you are, but let's

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 2>hope that's right. What do we know about the commissioner

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>because you mentioned there, you know, and the Premiere has

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>been quite open that you can call me if you like.

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I expect that Andrews will be called and Alan will

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>be called. But we know with the Royal Commission now

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>into Bondai, we've not seen the Prime Minister. We've not

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>seen Chris Men's call, we've not seen heads of intelligence agencies.

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 2>In the end, if the Commissioner doesn't want to call you,

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>you don't get called.

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<v Speaker 17>I think if Daniel Andrews and just CenTra Allen aren't called,

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.439
<v Speaker 17>and you know, relatively quickly. This is a twelve month

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 17>in the inquiry, it has to report by August twenty

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 17>next year. But I think if they're not called, you know,

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 17>that would be some kind of scandal given what we knew,

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 17>and given what we knew, especially justinter Allen as minister.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 17>I mean people in South Australia are better equipped to

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.720
<v Speaker 17>kind of comment on Christopher Kracas he's a former Chief Justice.

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.399
<v Speaker 17>I guess the opposition, the state opposition he appointed out

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 17>today that he was appointed by a labor government to

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 17>all of his positions, including Chief Justice. So time will tell,

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 17>I guess whether they go harder on that. And it

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 17>will be interesting how if they win government the Coalition,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 17>how they will broaden the Royal Commission, whether they want

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 17>to put extra commissioners on on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Broad in terms of reference exactly, I have to bone

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 2>up on the rules of the letters pattern because I

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 2>think that requires the approval of Commissioner, the current commissioner

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 2>to do that. But you could also join it, as

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.359
<v Speaker 2>I remember from law school with the Commission in Queensland,

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 2>which would make all that evidence that they've heard horrific

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>evidence in Brisbane would automatically become evidence in the Victorian

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 2>case about the sea.

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<v Speaker 17>For me, we'll see you could do something like that.

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<v Speaker 17>I think the big question about this one, and I

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 17>asked Ben Carroll today, is why there's two carve outs.

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 17>It's for legitimate activity taken by unions in relation to

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 17>industrial laws and a H and S laws. Now, I

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 17>asked him, aren't those laws used as a smoke screen?

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Ostensible safety is a shield all the time for these guys.

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 17>Yeah, And will this be an impediment to the Royal

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 17>Commissioner to actually look at hey, ostensibly this is being

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 17>used legitimately, but actually it's one big smoke screen to

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 17>engage in miss CONDUK. He's saying it won't. I guess

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 17>that is a lingering question.

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 2>If I was Jess Wilson and I get into November,

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that's the first bar I would lift. Anthony, thank you,

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>thank you, all right, quick break after the break, International

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>panel will look at that as I say that. Guidelines

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>in the UK that have just been issued. It's been

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 2>a huge story there and Meghan and Harry apparently moving

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 2>back to the UK. Do they need this as well

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 2>as everything else? See you soon, all right, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to this shocking news out of the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>I read it a few times, couldn't believe it. But

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa is a guy that is now being handed out

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<v Speaker 2>by the Foreign Office two asylum seekers on arrival.

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<v Speaker 7>The asylum seekers coming to Britain of being given booklets

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<v Speaker 7>telling them not to rape women, a warning that sex

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 7>with children is illegal in the United Kingdom. The guide

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 7>is freely available on the Home Office website. You can

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<v Speaker 7>see some pictures on your screen now obtained by gb News,

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 7>and also tells migrants that men and women are equal

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 7>under UK law, and then a section on domestic abuse.

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 7>It says that people go to prison if they attack

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 7>their partner.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, my panel, my International Panel on News really for

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>contributed Kashagada and former MP Foreign Affairs Defense Committee Chair

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Danby, Michael, how do you have anyone come to

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.240
<v Speaker 2>your country that you have to say, don't rape women,

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>men and women are equal, don't rape or sold children.

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Surely if you have to tell them that disqualifies entry from.

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<v Speaker 8>The get go, you would have thought. So it's like

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.959
<v Speaker 8>so extraordinary. I can't believe that if they keep doing

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.399
<v Speaker 8>this kind of stuff, the incumbent labor government won't end

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 8>up like Starma was very unpopular. I just read you

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 8>some of the things that it says. Sexual contact without

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 8>consent is sexual abuse, and it covers coercion or force.

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:08.720
<v Speaker 8>Sex with someone who's asleep or intoxicated is not permitted

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 8>in the United Kingdom. Come on, really, this is disgusting.

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 8>How does such people get in? And you can understand

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 8>the average brick once them kicked out.

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 2>There was a horrific case the other day of an

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 2>elderly man. I'll say allegedly.

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Because it'll go through before the courts.

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Raped outside a church by a male asylum seeker.

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, that was horrific, and all these cases, but there's

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 18>nothing like a PowerPoint or a little PDF to force assimilation.

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 3>That's basically what they're doing.

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 2>The same government who said these rape gangs weren't happening

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<v Speaker 2>for years.

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 3>And years and years.

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<v Speaker 18>Cognitive dissonance, it's absurd. Everybody knows it. The only solution

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:46.399
<v Speaker 18>is shut the spigot of immigration and asylum seekers from

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 18>the That's the way you're going to solve this problem,

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 18>not by printing out a PDF of guidelines of how

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 18>to behave.

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<v Speaker 8>In European Court of Human Rights. And they've got to

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 8>just pass laws in Britain that make the courts invulnerable

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 8>to being overruled by that European court, otherwise they just

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 8>can't act on it.

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that there hasn't been sexual assault, rape

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>culture in our culture and in Europe, but the statistics

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 2>in Europe now, Michael, with these waves and waves of

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 2>fighting age men out of the Middle East arriving on

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Europe's door step ever since Merkle allowed a million into Germany,

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the statistics are horrific.

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 8>Well, the first Christmas in Cologne after Mutti Merkle admitted

0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 8>a million people from this horrific, especially to young women

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.880
<v Speaker 8>just going out for their normal Christmas market shopping. Honestly,

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 8>it's got to stop, and you know, otherwise people will

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:37.720
<v Speaker 8>get violent.

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<v Speaker 1>In the UK, you can.

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Understand why they're angry.

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<v Speaker 18>Culture, absolutely, and the thing is that how we talk

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 18>about it and the mathematics coming from we know what's

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 18>coming from man now. Unfortunately, the mathematics would suggest things

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 18>like dep rotation, like that's where the conversation shifts because

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 18>there's already critical mass of them in here. So yes,

0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 18>you want to stop the door coming in, but then

0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 18>you also have to do something with the fact that

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 18>a million people were let in, as you say, so

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 18>many on Beyond that, there's these no go zones. Police

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 18>won't even go and police them in certain parts and

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 18>it's just unrecognizable.

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>But what do you do about a little town locked

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 2>pitting ten on three hundred people or something, and they're

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 2>going to put a camp of twelve to fifteen hundred

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 2>again fighting age miles there permanently because they've got nowhere

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 2>to house them.

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<v Speaker 18>This story is making the international news for good reason

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 18>because it's three x three times as many people as

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 18>a population of that town, as you say, four hundred

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 18>residents twelve hundred asylum seekers that go in there. It

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 18>reminded me of the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio that Trump

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 18>made famous in that debate by saying they're eating the

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 18>cats and dogs.

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Whether they are they're not.

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 18>It was the same thing that you're shoving too many

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 18>people numerically into these small towns who didn't ask for it,

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 18>don't want it, didn't vote for it.

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:43.399
<v Speaker 3>But this is what they're doing.

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 18>I want to sucsay now because of that, and they're

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 18>doing sort of a symbolic vote. They did something on

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 18>the fourth of July. Non coincidentally, they've got another thing

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 18>coming up on the fifteenth. It's not possible because under

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 18>UK law, Parliament has to approve it, but it is

0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 18>certainly a good tactic to get international media attention on it.

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about it.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 18>Will it actually lead to something that the government does

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 18>and actually doesn't put the asylum secrets there remains.

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:08.919
<v Speaker 3>To be seen.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm not very hopeful, but at least they're calling a

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 18>lot of attention to this issue.

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll come back to you about Betty one just quickly,

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 2>but really quickly, Harry and Meghan coming back to the

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 2>United Kingdom. Clearly they've run out of road in yes La.

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 18>You can see that the deportation strategy is working.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, Petty woe good or bad? This week terrible.

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<v Speaker 8>Three officers in Israel were reprimanded, two were dismissed. Retired

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<v Speaker 8>Air Chief Marshall Binskin, who she ignored when he came

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<v Speaker 8>back from an Australian authorized thing said, concluded that Israel

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<v Speaker 8>did not deliberately target the aid workers. Terrible that zombie

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<v Speaker 8>was killed, but there was a hummus guy on the

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<v Speaker 8>roof or a security guard on the roof shooting and

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<v Speaker 8>it was a mistake. Terrible mistake that happens in war.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Michael, Apologies, demart to pologies dandrewbot Late, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>He's Andrew. H m hm