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Speaker 1: He said, because my mate paid me the fucking money

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Speaker 1: that's all he said, fucking listening. Roger wasn't there that day,

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Speaker 1: but Flannery's saying it right, so you know that'll be speculation.

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Speaker 1: So Roger, you're sweet anyway. And I said, well what

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just fucking listening to all this. And

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Speaker 1: the cards that we fucking built, they got to come

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Speaker 1: fucking tumble, fucking simple as that. He said, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: just lat and I said, well, leave my fucking out

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Speaker 1: that day because they went, well, when they shot Drewy, right,

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Speaker 1: we need escape gap now. Now. Roger Rogerson even made

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Speaker 1: a tape of DVD he called Roger Rogerson. It's part

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Speaker 1: one and part two of it. If anyone gets it,

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Speaker 1: which twigged me straight away right that he was involved.

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Speaker 1: He sent Detective Anderson around who's dead? Now? He dough

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Speaker 1: to cancer around at Flannery's house and why would you

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Speaker 1: send him there? Right? And he said to talk about

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Speaker 1: the murders in the in the underworld, right, that will

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Speaker 1: happening at the time the game was right, So in

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Speaker 1: the shooting of Michael Drewy. Right, so he goes around there.

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Speaker 1: Why did they want Michael Drury because he was given

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Speaker 1: evidence against the bloke in prison, against Williams who came

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Speaker 1: he only would have got to be a fucking two

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Speaker 1: only one who ended up beyond to Jarl he did

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Speaker 1: four years. Everyone else spak the Chargers because of the

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Speaker 1: good and the nail and the coffin went in on me, right,

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Speaker 1: so he don't he don't die. So they're looking for

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Speaker 1: that escape game. So Rogerson, even as I say on

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Speaker 1: that tape, he even says, sent to technivy Anderson around

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Speaker 1: day and they heard the conversation. They were outside, but

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Speaker 1: they said, you're going to be the scapegoat, right for

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Speaker 1: gangli and murders, for whatever murders have been happening. You're

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Speaker 1: next minute there was a Marvis Hagler was fighting Marvin

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Speaker 1: Well I just missed two buses. They went, I'm right

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Speaker 1: I fucking went there, crooks. You know, well there I

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