1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart speaker 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, Here's what's 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Monday, July eighth. 5 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: The Federal Court has convened a special panel of judges 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: to tackle a wave of constitutional challenges engulfing the legal 7 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: system in the wake of a landmark High Court decision 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: that freed asylum seekers from indefinite detention, including some convicted 9 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: of serious violent offending. That exclusive Byrienne and Down is 10 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: live now at the Australian dot com dot au. A 11 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: pro Palestine organization called the Muslim Vote, which helped five 12 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: independent candidates win seats in the UK, will this week 13 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: announce its candidates here in Australia. It's one of the 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: many reasons Australia's politicians are anxiously analyzing Britain's stunning election results, 15 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: which swept Labored to power and threw up a whole 16 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: new set of challenges for the major parties. That's today's episode. 17 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: American presidents get months to move into the White House. 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: That means they also get months to move out when 19 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: their term is over. Things move much faster in Britain, 20 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: your mutest As the UK's newly elected Prime Minister, Labour's 21 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Keir Starmer shook hands with the King and engaged in 22 00:01:53,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: a few moments of awkward chit chat. Ready the new 23 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: tenant at ten Downing Street and Rishi Sunak, with his 24 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: wife and daughters, was out as Labor absorbed it's stunning majority, 25 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: more than four hundred and ten seats out of the 26 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty seat House of Commons. There was 27 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: a party, we did it, and then a somber first speech. 28 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: If I asked you now whether you believe that Britain 29 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: will be better for your children, I know too many 30 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: of you would say no. 31 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: Here Stormer has entered the Host of Commons with a 32 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: staggering majority, the second biggest since the Second World War. 33 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Richard Ferguson is the Australian's National Chief of Staff. 34 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: He could be Prime Minister for a decade. He's already 35 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: thinking about the next election. But this is a majority 36 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: that's on Schiki grown. This is a majority that relied 37 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: very heavily on people hating the Tories rather than loving Labor. 38 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: The calling this the loveless Lanslade. 39 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: Starmer has spent four years rebuilding Labour's lost soul after 40 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: it was thrashed by the Tories in twenty nineteen. Surrounded 41 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: by a cloud of distaste about the anti Semitism former 42 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: leader Jeremy Corbyn had allowed to flourish within the party, 43 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: Starmer sacked Corbyn from Labor altogether, the first step in 44 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: a reset where Starmer proved himself politically ruthless. 45 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: My government will fight every day until you believe again. 46 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: From now on you have a government unburdened by doctrine, 47 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: guided only by the determination to serve your interest, to 48 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: defy quietly those who have written our country off. 49 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: Starmer and his wife have two teenagers, a boy and 50 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: a girl, but until now their names have been kept 51 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: secret at the request of the Starmers, respected by the 52 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: UK press. Victorias Starmer has Jewish heritage, and Starmer has 53 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: previously revealed their children have been raised in the traditions 54 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: of that faith. It was reported in the days after 55 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: the election that the kids didn't want to leave their 56 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: home in London's inner suburbs. However, it's expected they will 57 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: move into Downing Street, the Row of seventeenth century townhouses 58 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: with offices on the ground floor and the living quarters above. 59 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher called it living over the shop. The Starmers 60 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: are still unpacking, but they'll move into the interconnected living 61 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: quarters above number eleven Downing Street, where there are four bedrooms, 62 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: rather than the much smaller two bedroom flat above number ten. 63 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: Starmer is already indicating he'll be different. He said. Throughout 64 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: his career he has finished work at six on Fridays 65 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: while working as a chief prosecutor and as a human 66 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: rights barrister, and he says he has no intention of 67 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: changing that habit. 68 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: In many ways, Kers Starmer is the opposite of now 69 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 3: a few prime ministers ago Boris Johnson, and that we 70 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: don't know anything about him really at all. With Boris Johnson, 71 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: we obviously knew every affair, every illicit detail. Even if 72 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: he wouldn't tell us how many kids he had, we 73 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 3: knew there were at least a couple that he wasn't 74 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: admitting about. But with Kers Starmer, you know, we know 75 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: his wife, Victoria works in the NHS, the National Health Service. 76 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: We know that they've got a number of children, but 77 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: we don't know their names. We don't know what they 78 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: look like. He's also different than say Tony Blair and 79 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: Margaret Thatcher, whose children were very much a part of 80 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: their lives and of their Prime ministerships. And we're out 81 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: there and used kind of his political props sometimes with 82 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: the Starmer family. It's all very very private. It's all 83 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: very much business up front, says. 84 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: The children have asked to get a dog, and there's 85 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: already a cat in residence at Downing Street, a rescue 86 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: named Larry who's lived there for thirteen years. Kirstarma will 87 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: be Larry's sixth Prime minister. Even though Labor only got 88 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: thirty four percent of the vote, it's getting more than 89 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: sixty four percent of the seats. That's because of Britain's 90 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: voting system, First past the post means the person in 91 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: each constituency who wins the greatest number of votes gets 92 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: the seat. That's a stark difference from Australia, where the 93 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: major parties often have to rely on preferences flowing from 94 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: smaller parties. 95 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: What Libra did and what the Liberal Democrats who came 96 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: number three and the elections did very well as they 97 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: plead the first past the poorest game. So instead of 98 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: focusing on national vote share. They poured all of their 99 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: resources into the seats they knew that they could win 100 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: a plurality of votsen, particularly for Libra. It was in Scotland, 101 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: so there were really boosted by a huge sweep against 102 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: the Scottish Nationalists who have been very dominant in Scotland 103 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: for the past decade. But Labor has swept all those 104 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: seats in Glasgow and Edinburgh back and the Liberal Democrats 105 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: only had a very tiny national vote share increase too, 106 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: but they had massive increases in the seats that they 107 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: targeted in kind of affluent Tory areas a little bit 108 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: like the Tales here, that they knew they would get 109 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: the votes in. They didn't have a formal deal Labor 110 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: and the Liberal Democrats, but Labor basically ran dead in 111 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: seats where the Liberal Democrats would do well against the Tories, 112 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: and the Liberal Democrats ran dead in the seats where 113 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: they knew that Labor were the best challenges of the Tories. 114 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: Downing Street's previous tenant, Rishi Sunac, couldn't hide the pain 115 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: as he fronted up for the Conservatives blunders in front 116 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: of that famous black door. 117 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: I would like to say first and foremost, I am sorry. 118 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: It was the biggest collapse in the Tory of war whatever. 119 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: And I think Rishie Sonac's position was irretrievable the minute 120 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: he walked into Number ten Downing Street, Claire. Because of 121 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: Les Truss. So Les Truss obviously was the Prime minister 122 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: for only seven weeks. She was the Queen's last prime minister. 123 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: But she only lasted seven weeks because of a disastrous 124 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: mini budget which sought, you know, a kind of a 125 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: radical lazzi fair agenda. But what she did in that 126 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: instance was she spooked the markets. But then she tied 127 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: the Conservatives to a massive rise in interest rates. And 128 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: the minute any political party is tied to the rising 129 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: of interest rates, Claire, no matter where you are in 130 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: the world, that is very bad news. 131 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: The Tories lost more than two hundred and fifty seats 132 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: to see it one hundred and twenty one seats out 133 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: of six fifty, the Conservative Party's worst result in its 134 00:08:50,040 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: entire one hundred and ninety year history. Kis Down says 135 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: it's down to business. He's promising to put the VAT, 136 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: Britain's equivalent of a GST on private school fees and 137 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: to fix the creaking National Health Service, as well as 138 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: a prisons crisis. Britain's jails are full and defenders are 139 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: being released after serving half their terms to make room 140 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: for more. And then there's unauthorized migration. So far this year, 141 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: more than thirteen thousand migrants have arrived in the UK 142 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: via small boats across the English Channel. The Tories wanted 143 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: to send them to Rwanda in a fix inspired by 144 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: John Howard's Pacific solution, but Keir Starmer says that's off. 145 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: Look, the ride scheme was dead and barer before it started. 146 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: It's never been a deterrent. Look at the numbers that 147 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: have come over in the first six and a bit 148 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: months of this year. They are record numbers and I'm 149 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: not prepared to continue with gimmicks that don't act as 150 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: are deterrent. 151 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: One of the things about labor that they're going to 152 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: really struggle with. They really didn't reveal what they were 153 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: going to do at all in any area of policy 154 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: Claire because they didn't want to spook the electorate. But 155 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: he doesn't have a particularly strong plan to deal with 156 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: a small boats crisis, and he's going to have to 157 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: come up with one, and even Tony Blair is in 158 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: the Times this weekend saying if you don't control your borders, 159 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: that's when prejudice flows. So he's having the minutes walked in. 160 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: He's having Tony Blair, who it must be said, still 161 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: holds the record for the biggest labor majority, saying you 162 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 3: must stop these small boats or it will be your undoing. 163 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: One of the biggest factors kiz Dama has to face 164 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: now is the Gaza effect. Five independents, including Jeremy Corbyn, 165 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: who campaigned hard on recognition of Palestine, took seats that 166 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Labor would otherwise have expected to win. 167 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: It's a big problem and it's a problem around the world. 168 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: Look at the primaries for the Democrats, where Joe Biden 169 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: basically ran unopposed, but he suffered huge protest votes in 170 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: places like Michigan with huge Muslim populations. Labor kind of 171 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: saw this coming in Britain because they had huge protest 172 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: votes in the council elections and a lot of this 173 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 3: has been directed by a group called the Muslim Vote, 174 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: and as we know, they are looking to replicate that 175 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: here in Australia, targeting some ministers such as Education Minister 176 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: Jason Clair, the Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke, and we 177 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: know that through Dennis Shanahan and Sarah Eisen's reporting in 178 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: The Australian last week that Anthony Albinizi is concerned about 179 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: this group. So we may yet see that replicated here, 180 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: but it is definitely a problem for cair Starmer. 181 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Coming up the firebrand conservative everyone's talking about and how 182 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: he could reshape British Politicsustralian's deep in coverage of the 183 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: other two orcast elections happening in coming months in the 184 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: US and possibly here in Australia. You can be the 185 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: smartest person in every room by joining our subscribers now 186 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot a U and we'll 187 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: be back after this break. One of the wildcuts in 188 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: the UK election is Nigel Farage, a politician who's been 189 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: around UK politics for decades, initially as an anti europe 190 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: campaigner and now offering himself as an alternative voice to 191 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: the Tories with a strident line on migrants. His party 192 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: was the second most popular in more than one hundred 193 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: seats and took a whopping fourteen percent of the national vote. 194 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: It also won five seats of its own putting Farrage 195 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: into Parliament for the first time. 196 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: There was one political analyst and Breton who said, Nigel 197 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: Farage will be happy he's finally entered Parliament. He'll just 198 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: be sad that there's four other MP's going with him. 199 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: He has a reputation for falling out with people that 200 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: have joined his group. For example, when he was in 201 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: UKIP and a couple of Tories defected to UKIP his 202 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: original party where she was pushing the bricks of vote 203 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: from he fell out with them. He's very much the 204 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: star of his own show, but also he actually has 205 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: to be an MP. And the thing about being an 206 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: MP clayer, especially in Britain even more than so in Australia, 207 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: it's very restrictive. He can't dominate question time. He only 208 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: gets one question maybe a couple of months, and then 209 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: there's so much work in MP has to do, especially 210 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: in Britain, where people write in about their council bins 211 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: and the bus stop nearby making too much noise and 212 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: oh you know there's a problem with my toilet m 213 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: sewerage like it is not going to be as glamorous 214 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: as he thinks, and he may be wishing that he 215 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: decided to go and do what he was originally going 216 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: to do, which is and Stumper own the country for 217 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: Donald Trump and go to all these gletsy events for 218 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: the Republicans in America, rather than he's sucking in the 219 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: cisode tain of Clacton. 220 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Nigel Farage was criticized during the campaign for being allegedly 221 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: pro Russia. He's fired back about that speaking here to 222 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: our colleagues at times radio. 223 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 4: I've never said anything nice about Pootsin. I think what 224 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: he's done in Ukraine is absolutely reprehensible at every level. 225 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: Of course, all wars end in one of two ways, 226 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: either annihilation or negotiation. I would have thought negotiation was 227 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: rather important. I would have thought the West could satan Putin. 228 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: You've got to give up the territory that you know 229 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: thus far, and if you don't, then I'm afraid. You know, 230 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: we are going to lay down some very very tough 231 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: conditions and maybe NATO will have to expand. 232 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: But Richard, he's now a force in the Parliament who, 233 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, is not likely to 234 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: support huge amounts of weaponry being sent to Ukraine to 235 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: prolong the war. Is that your rating of base and 236 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: what does it mean for ukramee and the rest of 237 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,239 Speaker 1: the world. 238 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: I think ultimately it won't matter because Labor has five years, 239 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: it's a much longer term than we have in Australia 240 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: and they have such a huge majority. But what it 241 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: will mean is if say there are other events in 242 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: NATO in the next coming years, how will the Tory 243 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: Party react to how Nigel Farag thinks this will be 244 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: the problem for the British Right. Do they welcome Nigel 245 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: Farage back into the fold and try and get him 246 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: into the Conservatives or do they try and push him 247 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: out or hope that he blows himself up or gets bored. 248 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: Labor has won the first past the post game, but 249 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: it's on a very very shaky ground this majority. The 250 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: Conservative Party is in a very very bad place, but 251 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: it's not impossible to imagine them even getting back to 252 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: a kind of a hung parliament standing, maybe not in 253 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: the next term, but definitely in the term after. So 254 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: that is how it will affect is how will the 255 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: Conservators react to Nigel Farage and what role will he 256 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: play in the reorganization of the British Right. 257 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: Whichard focus on is the Australian's National chief of Staff. 258 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the front and don't forget 259 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: to subscribe at the Australian dot com dot au