1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart sneaker 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, here's what's 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Tuesday, September twenty four. 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: A new mandatory grocery Code of conduct. That's Anthony Albanesi's 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: new fight. The PM says Coals and Woolworths may have 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: exacerbated inflation at the height of the cost of living crisis, 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: and he's accused them of treating customers like fools with 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: fake discounts. The supermarkets say they do whatever they can 10 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: to make groceries cheaper. Allegations of police racism from serving cops, 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: disgusting racial slurs, physical violence, and moves to clear the 12 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: streets of black people. They're all claims contained in a 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: human rights case brought by more than twenty Northern Territory 14 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Aboriginal community police officers. That's today's story. 15 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: Run and see how fire you get before I shoot you. 16 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: You don't deserve to get paid used through all one 17 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: of you is we'll shoot yourselves in the foot. 18 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: This according to a group of Indigenous police officers from 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory is how some white officers speak to 20 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: their Aboriginal colleagues. And this, according to a complaint lodged 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: with the Australian Human Rights Commission, is how the Aboriginal 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 1: community police officers say they heard white colleagues talking about 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Indigenous civilians the. 24 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: Hall like animals. 25 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: If you need any black blocked up, let me know 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: and I'll sort them out. 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: Black camp dogs. 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: We used to shoot these black Where we come from. 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: The Northern Territory is home to nearly eight percent of 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Australia's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community. An estimator seventy 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: six thousand people. That's about thirty percent of the territory's 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: overall population. Stephen Rice is a senior journalist with the 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Australian Russie. You've reported all over the world from what 34 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: zones to remote communities here in Australia. What's your impression 35 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: of the way these communities in the Northern Territory are 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Alice Springs, Darwin remote communities. How would you compare it 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: to other places where you've reported. 38 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: Look, living conditions as we know of, especially in the 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: town camps, are pretty appalling. What we haven't seen before. 40 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: Is this evidence of a really continuing problem where white 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: police in cities like Alice Springs and Darwin really have 42 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: no regard for Indigenous people and even no regard for 43 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: their colleagues who are Indigenous. And that's pretty shocking. 44 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: How good is it to be Territory and tonight? 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: The New Country Liberal Party Chief Minister Lea Finocchio was 46 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: elected in August on a promise to get tough on crime. 47 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 3: The heartbreak of watching families, friends and colleagues pack up 48 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: and leave the territory because they cannot see a. 49 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: Future here end today. 50 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: We will do whatever it takes to restore community safety. 51 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, the age of criminal responsibility was 52 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: raised from ten to twelve by the Labor government, but 53 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Finocchiaio has pledged to take it back down. That means 54 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: ten year olds will be able to be charged with 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: criminal offenses rather than being handled by the territory's Families department. 56 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Finocchio will also restore controversial restraint chairs and spit hoods 57 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: on young people removed by Labor in twenty twenty two. 58 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: Human rights advocates say those techniques are dehumanizing and unnecessary. 59 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: The Territories Police Association says they're essential to keep officers 60 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: safe from violent offenders and communicable diseases. Ricey, There's been 61 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot of rumors over the years about what goes 62 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: on in the Northern Territory when dignitaries come to visit, 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: the idea that the streets, which normally would have groups 64 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: of people congregating like in any city, are cleaned up 65 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: for dignitaries or for big moments. What have you learned 66 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: about whether or not that's true. 67 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: Well, as you say, those claims have been around for 68 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: a long time and the Northern Territory Police have always 69 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: written them off as rumors, urban legend or conspiracy theories. 70 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: What's happened now is that as a result of more 71 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: than twenty Aboriginal police making a complaint of racial vilification 72 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: to the Human Rights Commission against the Northern Territory Government 73 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: and against the Northern Territory Police Commissioner, these allegations turn 74 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: out to be true. 75 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: A voice actors reading the words from the complaint to 76 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: the Australian Human Rights Commission from Aboriginal community police officers, 77 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: led by Sean Lufatt, a former footballer with Essendon who's 78 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: been an ACPO for twenty six years, and Lisa Burkenhagen 79 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: who's a senior ACPO and has been with the force 80 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: for nine years. 81 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: Whenever significant events are held within the Darwin area that 82 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: have political interest and guaranteed media attention or presence, mister 83 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: Lufat and other acpos, together with other officers, are routinely 84 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: directed to clean up the streets around the area of 85 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: interest by moving on homeless Indigenous persons that sleep or 86 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: congregate in the area to give public perception that homelessness 87 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: and anti social behavior is not an issue. 88 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: For years now, the police have denied that they actually 89 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: move people on. In these documents that I've obtained, the 90 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: cops that the Aboriginal cops who are being asked to 91 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: move people along, have made it clear that the people 92 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: being target at a sober they're not committing any crimes. Basically, 93 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: their own clime is that they're black. This is about 94 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: ordinary Aboriginal people going about their normal, everyday business who 95 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: are being moved on taken out of town because the 96 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: city has decided that they don't like having that sort 97 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: of image presented to the rest of the world. And 98 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: it happens on occasions when politicians are visiting precisely to 99 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: allegedly deal with those kind of issues. 100 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: Coming up. The white cop who started the avalanche of 101 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: claims Riscie. The Northern Territory police have come in for 102 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: some serious scrutiny over the past few years, probably starting 103 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: in this round when police have Zachari Rolf fatally shot 104 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: an Indigenous man, Kumenjai Walker in the remote community of Yundermu. 105 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: At his trial and at the coronial inquest into that death, 106 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: zak Roff, who was acquitative murder, claimed that there's endemic 107 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: racism in the Northern Territory Police force. That's something that 108 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: the top brass denied. What are we now learning from 109 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: Aboriginal police officers themselves who have brought this claim to 110 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: the Human Rights Commission. 111 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: We're learning that from the point of view of the 112 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: Aboriginal police themselves that these claims are completely true and 113 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: have been for years. So here we have at least 114 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: twenty serving Aboriginal officers who have lodged this racial vilification 115 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: claim in the Human Rights Commission, alleging this racist culture 116 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: in which they're constantly being called lazing and useless. 117 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: In or around twenty ten and AKPO regularly witnessed officers 118 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: in Alice Springs making comments to the effect that akpos 119 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: were not doing their jobs because they were not picking 120 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: up drunks in Alice Springs effectively, and that slack pos 121 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: do nothing and that was why there was so much work. 122 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: These cops who they perform all the normal functions of police. 123 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: They allowed to arrest people, they're allowed to investigate, they're 124 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: allowed to carry guns, but they're treated as second class police. 125 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: They're paid less. If you're an Aboriginal police officer in 126 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory, you get six thousand dollars less a 127 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: year than a white constable. It's pretty outrageous. 128 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: Towards the end of her training to become an auxiliary, 129 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: a sergeant delivering a lecture referred to a service helping 130 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: to return Indigenous people stuck in Darwin to their home 131 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: country and commented that he would like to return them 132 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: to their country in a box. Miss Birkenhagen made a 133 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: complaint against the sergeant, which resulted in conciliation. Miss Bergenhagen 134 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: was advised that she would have to have thicker skin 135 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: as she might hear much worse as a police officer. 136 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: I mean some of this stuff is just extraordinary, Rissie. 137 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: When you went to the police into the newly elected 138 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government, what are they say. Are they denying 139 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that there's this disparity in pay, for example. 140 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: They're not specifically denying the disparity in pay. The Chief 141 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: Minister is saying this is all in the past. We 142 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it now. Of course it's 143 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: not in the past. The police themselves are saying that 144 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: the Police Commissioner said that he welcomed the fact that 145 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: officers felt free to talk about this finally, which was 146 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: a bit bizarre because on Monday or when I've gone 147 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: to them to ask about these allegations of moving on 148 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: our virginities, cleaning up the streets, they've totally shut down 149 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: and said, nope, we're not going to say anything now 150 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: because it's all before the courts. 151 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: Obviously, rise of these officers want pay parity. What else 152 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: are they asking for. 153 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: We're asking for as well as that, for compensation, but 154 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: most of all for an apology for the way that 155 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: they've been treated in the past and for the fact 156 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: that they continue to be treated as second class police 157 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 2: when it seems very clear to anybody who has spent 158 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: time in the Northern Territory that these particular cops are 159 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: precisely the ones who can fix some of these problems. 160 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is a senior journalist with The Australian. Thanks 161 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: for joining us on the front, don't forget. 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