Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good evening, and don't worry, Andrew, I'll forgive you well.
Speaker 2: Tonight on the show, Donald Trump makes alban easy beg
Speaker 2: over tariffs while threatening to unleash hell on hermus I'll
Speaker 2: get reaction from Brunwyn Bishop Holly Hughes and Julian Lisa
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Speaker 3: We need your ideas.
Speaker 2: Our politicians have been behind the eight ball, so we
Speaker 2: want to hear from you about how you think we
Speaker 2: should fix this crisis. I'll tell you how to get
Speaker 2: those ideas to us a bit later, but first tonight,
Speaker 2: Albanezi and Pettiwong's criticisms of Donald Trump come back to
Speaker 2: bite them as they try to seek favors for Australia.
Speaker 2: The biggest test yet of the Albanese government will be
Speaker 2: whether the Prime Minister can negotiate with Trump to give
Speaker 2: Australia an exemption from his teal and aluminium tariffs. Now,
Speaker 2: our prime minister is not known for either his charm
Speaker 2: or his powers of persuasion. In fact, he's seen as
Speaker 2: a weak prime minister who can't get anything done. And
Speaker 2: he had forty minutes forty to convince Trump not to
Speaker 2: slap tariffs on Australia, with precedent already set during Trump's
Speaker 2: last administration. But even after a forty minute call, Trump
Speaker 2: then publicly declared to the world that the tariffs would apply.
Speaker 3: To all countries with no exceptions.
Speaker 4: Acting our steel an aluminum industries as a must. And
Speaker 4: today I am simplifying our tariffs and steal and aluminum
Speaker 4: so that everyone can understand exactly what it means. It's
Speaker 4: twenty five percent, without exceptions or exemptions, and that's all countries,
Speaker 4: no matter where it comes from, all countries.
Speaker 2: Asked specifically about Australia, Donald Trump was polite and said
Speaker 2: Albanezi was a very fine man, and he did concede
Speaker 2: that Australia has a trade surplus with the US.
Speaker 3: He said he'd consider an exemption.
Speaker 4: I just spoke to him, very fine man. We actually
Speaker 4: have a surplus. It's one of the only countries which
Speaker 4: we do. And I told him that that's something that
Speaker 4: we will give great consideration.
Speaker 3: It's encouraging.
Speaker 2: But Trump made no commitment to a tariff exemption for Australia.
Speaker 2: That was an exemption that Turnbull was able to negotiate
Speaker 2: when he was Prime Minister. Scott Morrison, his PM, also
Speaker 2: negotiated an exemption. While Morrison and Trump get along famously,
Speaker 2: as James Patterson said here last night, Turnbull was hardly
Speaker 2: an ideological acolyte of Trump's.
Speaker 5: Well, you wouldn't necessarily think that Malcolm Turnbull and President
Speaker 5: Trump were simpatico in personality types. You can imagine they
Speaker 5: would have different world views on many issues. But Malcolm
Speaker 5: Turnbull put the national interests first. He bet a pathway
Speaker 5: to President Trump's door. He very assertively stood up for
Speaker 5: Australia's interest and he persuaded President Trump.
Speaker 2: And you have to compare Trump's lukewarm attitude to Australia
Speaker 2: to how he rolled out the red carpet for Israeli
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin nettan Yahoo. We can plainly see that
Speaker 2: Trump isn't treating Australia anywhere nearly as warmly as he
Speaker 2: is other clearly better allies like Israel, and we know why.
Speaker 3: Policy and personality.
Speaker 2: On the policy front, there's already been a rift between America.
Speaker 3: And Australia under the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: America was deeply unhappy with Australia's voting record on Israel
Speaker 2: at the United Nations. The Biden administration was also unhappy
Speaker 2: with how Albanesi was cozying up to China. These are
Speaker 2: things that Albanzi knew but chose to forge your head
Speaker 2: with anyway, and now they could come back to haunt him.
Speaker 3: It seems he was not.
Speaker 2: So worried about not upsetting Chinese dictator Jijingping, and now
Speaker 2: he's put the Australian US alliance at risk, and this
Speaker 2: means hurting Australian businesses.
Speaker 3: And the economy, and that's the reality of the matter.
Speaker 3: Then there's personality.
Speaker 2: Trump would be well aware of Albanesi and Kevin Rudd's
Speaker 2: comments about him in the past. As you know, Kevin
Speaker 2: Rudd called him a village idiot, while Albanesi mocked Trump.
Speaker 6: The United States in the last four years has been
Speaker 6: run by a village idiots. People have seen China continued
Speaker 6: continuing to be competent international state craft and the United
Speaker 6: States increasingly incompetent and international state craft under Trump.
Speaker 7: A skates academy. And I think it's of some concern
Speaker 7: that the leader of the free world thinks that you
Speaker 7: can conduct politics through one hundred and forty characters on Twitter.
Speaker 2: And Albanizi was a senior shadow minister when he made
Speaker 2: those comments in twenty seventeen. But even in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: Petty Wong accused Donald Trump of trashic foreign alliances.
Speaker 8: You know, we've seen somebody, a leader of previous in
Speaker 8: recent times who was prepared to trash alliances and partnerships
Speaker 8: for personal political interest in his name was Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: None of this is wise or diplomatic. From the figures
Speaker 2: who are now the most senior ministers of the Albanesi government,
Speaker 2: it makes you seriously question their political judgment. Now, the
Speaker 2: tariffs begin on March the fourth, so Albanezi has around
Speaker 2: three weeks to convince the president that he should treat
Speaker 2: Australia like his closest ally. But if it doesn't go
Speaker 2: Australia's way, then the entire country. All the businesses will
Speaker 2: pay Albanese's lack.
Speaker 3: Of judgment and leadership.
Speaker 2: Now, Trump has threatened to end the Gaza cease fire
Speaker 2: and unleash hell if all the hostages aren't back by
Speaker 2: noon on Saturday. His comments came after HAMAS said its
Speaker 2: handover of hostages this weekend will be postponed until further notice.
Speaker 2: These are cruel games that HAMAS has now been playing
Speaker 2: for sixty months.
Speaker 3: And it was able to get away with.
Speaker 2: Playing these cruel games under the Buyner administration, but not anymore.
Speaker 2: Trump is one of the only world leaders showing genuine
Speaker 2: strength and leadership, particularly when it comes to terrorism, and
Speaker 2: he said, if all the hostages aren't back by the weekend,
Speaker 2: they'll be held to pay.
Speaker 4: Saturday at twelve o'clock, I think it's an appropriate time.
Speaker 4: I would say cancel it and all bets are off
Speaker 4: and let hell break out.
Speaker 2: And once again, Trump spoke about the hostages who were
Speaker 2: released on the weekend, who were emaciated and they look
Speaker 2: like concentration camp survivors. He said he was worried how
Speaker 2: long the other hostages still held captive would be able
Speaker 2: to stay alive.
Speaker 4: It looked like something out of the nineteen thirties. It's
Speaker 4: an absolutely disgrace. What you see is probably the best
Speaker 4: because they want to send people that look at least healthy,
Speaker 4: and that's not healthy. These people have been badly heard
Speaker 4: mentally and physically, and I think Amas is looking at
Speaker 4: that and say, well, it's not going to get much
Speaker 4: better than that, because they're probably sending out their best
Speaker 4: as a representative, and I.
Speaker 3: Agree with his comments.
Speaker 2: It is a serious concern that the remaining hostages who
Speaker 2: are alive warn't stay alive for a long time, given
Speaker 2: Hamas has been starving and torturing them. The international community
Speaker 2: should be worried about this, but no statement from the
Speaker 2: United Nations today, despite the fact that innocent lives hang
Speaker 2: in the balance. Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharan Haskell
Speaker 2: demanded the international community step up.
Speaker 9: The pressure of the international community and humanitarian efforts need
Speaker 9: to be ramped up on Hamas so they release the
Speaker 9: rest of the hostages right now.
Speaker 2: If only the international community cared. There are still seventy
Speaker 2: three hostages remaining in Gaza, although not all are alive.
Speaker 2: Hamasa's military wing has blamed Israel for violating the terms
Speaker 2: of the ceasefire when it did say that it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be releasing any more hostages this week, but of course
Speaker 2: that was a nonsense excuse. The Times of Israel reports
Speaker 2: that Hamas claimed Israel wasn't allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza,
Speaker 2: but that it was not immediately clear what Hamas was
Speaker 2: referring to in its comments about humanitarian aid, which has
Speaker 2: been entering this strip in great quantities now.
Speaker 3: In reality, like Donald Trump's.
Speaker 2: Suspects, it's likely that it's because the hostages are in
Speaker 2: such weak, poor condition and Hermas is too embarrassed to
Speaker 2: release them. And that's saying something because Hermas wasn't too
Speaker 2: embarrassed to slaughter babies in their.
Speaker 3: Clots on October seven. Now we know there have been
Speaker 3: reports that.
Speaker 2: Hamas was trying to fatten up Eli or Hard and
Speaker 2: Awe before their release last weekend. They were suddenly trying
Speaker 2: to feed them after extreme starvation for sixteen months. Former
Speaker 2: labor and p Michael Danby agrees that this is most
Speaker 2: likely why Harmas doesn't want to release any more hostages,
Speaker 2: And here he was making what I found to be
Speaker 2: such a heartbreaking point on Chris Kenny earlier.
Speaker 10: The reason her Musk canceled the ceasefire in the last
Speaker 10: few hours. Chris is because they're afraid of the reaction
Speaker 10: of the rest of the world when they send the
Speaker 10: rest of the hostages back in boxes, particularly coffins, with
Speaker 10: those two little children and their mother in it.
Speaker 2: And that is such a horrible and tragic thought. It
Speaker 2: is the moment we've all been dreading that we know
Speaker 2: is coming. In recent weeks, we've been able to get
Speaker 2: a good look at these bloodthirsty terrorists. These monsters have
Speaker 2: been hiding like cockroaches in the web of tunnels underneath Gaza.
Speaker 3: There's such cowards that they.
Speaker 2: Don't show their face and they've only emerged in public
Speaker 2: now that there's a ceasefire. Instead, they've preferred in the
Speaker 2: past to put innocent civilians in harm's way. It's all
Speaker 2: part of their deliberate military strategy to have Palestinians killed
Speaker 2: so that the international community turns against Israel in outrage.
Speaker 3: But that strategy isn't going to wash with Trump.
Speaker 2: If the terror group does not release the remaining hostages,
Speaker 2: all of them, Trump said, and this includes the Bibas
Speaker 2: children by midday on Saturday, then the President says they'll
Speaker 2: be hell to pay now. Hamas should have been made
Speaker 2: to pay hell for what they've done a long time ago,
Speaker 2: instead of being molly coddled by the international community. But
Speaker 2: finally Hermas is now on notice and it's not a
Speaker 2: moment too soon.
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring it now.
Speaker 2: Former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and Liberal Senator
Speaker 2: Holly Hughes.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both, Bronwin.
Speaker 2: I want to start with the trades and then we'll
Speaker 2: get to Trump's threaten the hostages. But clearly the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister is under immense pressure to achieve an exemption from
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He has already signed that executive order today,
Speaker 2: so it's not looking promising.
Speaker 11: Look, Alban Easy is literally a boy on a man's errand,
Speaker 11: and he's so out of his steps. It just doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: The fact of the matter is.
Speaker 11: That the whole background of his personal background and that
Speaker 11: of Kevin Wood puts them behind to start with. But
Speaker 11: to come out afterwards and imply, oh, we had such
Speaker 11: a nice chat, We've done a deal. He's just so
Speaker 11: stupid when it's not true. So he's made the situation
Speaker 11: worse with that statement that it would have been otherwise.
Speaker 11: He doesn't even know how to finesse. He's got no idea.
Speaker 11: It's an embarrassment to see this man as Prime Minister
Speaker 11: of our nation on the international stage. So it's a
Speaker 11: long way to go before we find out whether or
Speaker 11: not there will be any exemptions given for us. And
Speaker 11: the first thing that the government could do is bringing
Speaker 11: some relief with regard to energy policy, so that the
Speaker 11: people who are making the aluminium, for instance, can have
Speaker 11: a lessening and cost so that they can be cost
Speaker 11: competitive with a tariff. It starts to think things that
Speaker 11: are within his control, not making up what somebody else
Speaker 11: is going to do.
Speaker 3: Holly.
Speaker 2: The reality is if there are tariffs on the aluminium
Speaker 2: and steel industry, many people will be thinking, well, you know,
Speaker 2: perhaps have alban easy. Penny Wang and Kevin Wright hadn't
Speaker 2: been so hostile in past comments towards President Trump, there
Speaker 2: might have been a different outcome.
Speaker 3: Well, but it's.
Speaker 12: Also come out this afternoon Shari that President Trump has
Speaker 12: claimed that Australia had broken its verbal promise when it
Speaker 12: came to aluminium into the United States. And for anyone
Speaker 12: I think who doesn't just blindly believe what mister Albineazy
Speaker 12: said that basically a deal was done. It's certainly a
Speaker 12: worrying sign that President Trump is reconsidering or was perhaps
Speaker 12: not as seriously considering, exempting Australia from these tariffs. I
Speaker 12: do think it's important that you know it's we can
Speaker 12: be part of it, and we're coming into an election
Speaker 12: and there'll be plenty of that. But the reality is
Speaker 12: when it comes to these sorts of issues, we do
Speaker 12: need to have a little bit of Team Australia to
Speaker 12: make sure that our manufacturers are being supported. As Peter
Speaker 12: Dutner said, not only is the US an important trading partner,
Speaker 12: they're an important ally We've had a very long standing
Speaker 12: relationship with them, but that we also support free trade
Speaker 12: and want to ensure that we're supporting local manufacturers. With
Speaker 12: an interesting suggestion there, Bromwin, you know, the aluminium smelter
Speaker 12: in Tomago requires such huge amounts of energy and quite
Speaker 12: often they're called upon to sort of slow down production
Speaker 12: or to come offline for a little bit because obviously
Speaker 12: they can't go offline permanently, you can't restart them, but
Speaker 12: to shed the power so that Sydney can keep the
Speaker 12: lights on. So I think you're right Bromwin, if we
Speaker 12: are going to do anything when it comes to particularly
Speaker 12: the aluminium smelters, that we do have a look at
Speaker 12: some energy relief for them in a bid to keep
Speaker 12: them float until these matters are resolved.
Speaker 2: I think you can't escape the fact that both Malcolm
Speaker 2: Turnbull and Scott Morrison were able to achieve these exemptions.
Speaker 2: So if alban Ezy can't, there'll be a lot of
Speaker 2: questions for him to answer.
Speaker 3: About why that's the case.
Speaker 10: All right.
Speaker 2: A former Labor politician has weighed in on the latest
Speaker 2: Downing Pole figures. We spoke about those figures on the
Speaker 2: show last night. They show that the Albanzi government is
Speaker 2: hemorrhaging voters in outer suburban areas. The former Fowler MP
Speaker 2: Chris Hayes told The Daily Telegraph that if those stats hold,
Speaker 2: it'd be a serious worry for the Labor Party at
Speaker 2: the next election. Bronwin, I mean, in large part Labor
Speaker 2: did win the last election because they were able to
Speaker 2: win some of those outer suburban seats. They need those
Speaker 2: seats to hold power, but those seats are where regular
Speaker 2: mainstream Australians are and they're not buying the Albanezi government's agenda.
Speaker 11: Look, Chris Hayes was a thoroughly decent, old fashioned labor
Speaker 11: member who looked after his electors. I used to deal
Speaker 11: with him quite often, and I found that he was
Speaker 11: the sort of person you could have a good regard for.
Speaker 11: And what he's describing as his own disillusionment with what
Speaker 11: has happened in that part of Sydney now. When I
Speaker 11: was Party president back in nineteen eighty five, I set
Speaker 11: my office up in Paramatta because I knew we had
Speaker 11: to go into the west of Sydney where aspirations were
Speaker 11: alive and well, because that's where future leaders were going
Speaker 11: to come from. When I became a senator, I put
Speaker 11: my office in Paramatta and served there. I regarded the
Speaker 11: million people then that were surrounding me as my personal
Speaker 11: electors electorate, and I treated it like it was an electorate.
Speaker 2: It's a good temperature check in that lie acturate for
Speaker 2: what just regular issue.
Speaker 11: Yes, And the important thing was for Nick Griner to
Speaker 11: get the lapslide he got. He had to win seats
Speaker 11: in Western Sydney and we did so. This has been
Speaker 11: a long term process, but there is a realization now,
Speaker 11: I think by more and more Australians who may have
Speaker 11: had a soft spot for the old Labor Party, that
Speaker 11: they have well and truly abandoned them, and that the
Speaker 11: way ahead is through the Liberal Party, which believes in
Speaker 11: the individual, their opportunity to use their own talents and
Speaker 11: to get ahead without the burden of government crushing them
Speaker 11: or regularly red and green tape. They're the sorts of
Speaker 11: things that they respond to because they want for their kids,
Speaker 11: they want for their standard of living. These are good
Speaker 11: Australians and they deserve much better and Peter Dutton is
Speaker 11: offering that to them.
Speaker 2: Holly, if Peter Dutton is able to find the path
Speaker 2: to victory at the next election, it will be through
Speaker 2: outer suburban seats, but also through Victoria, which has been
Speaker 2: such a difficult state for the Coalition in the past.
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, And I think what we saw in Victoria
Speaker 12: on the weekend such an enormous shift away from the
Speaker 12: Labor Party. I haven't heard very many people, if any,
Speaker 12: mention that the seat in wherever it was actually the
Speaker 12: former Treasurer's seat, it was considered as safe as houses
Speaker 12: that seat and the fact that it's come down to
Speaker 12: a couple of one hundred votes is an enormous swing
Speaker 12: away from the Labor Party in their heartland. The red
Speaker 12: brick wall is very very quickly crumbling around Victoria. That
Speaker 12: is in part to the terrible Andrews Allen government and
Speaker 12: what they have done in just decimating Victoria. It's absolutely
Speaker 12: devastating when you look at what these this government has
Speaker 12: done to that state. But voters acros the board, I
Speaker 12: think they're generally feeling a little bit gas lit by
Speaker 12: this Prime Minister and listening to the Labor members because
Speaker 12: when you listen to their talking points that they sprout
Speaker 12: and I hear them when they come on Sky News.
Speaker 12: We've done cheaper childcare, we've done free tafe, and you
Speaker 12: know this renewable energy that's going to be so cheap
Speaker 12: and free for everybody, and all this ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Rubbish they're going on with.
Speaker 12: But every day Australians know when they go to the
Speaker 12: grocery store, it costs more. When they try to pay
Speaker 12: their rank, call their mortgage, it costs more. Their energy
Speaker 12: costs more. When people are putting their kids into childcare
Speaker 12: and they're being told we've delivered cheaper childcare, but they're
Speaker 12: paying more every week to put their kids in childcare.
Speaker 12: It's gas lighting by the government of the Australian electorate
Speaker 12: and I think they're starting to see through it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. That is the crux of the matter. Now, just
Speaker 2: before we go, let'speak about this story. There's about eighteen
Speaker 2: Coalition senators who are reportedly backing Pauline Hanson's motion for
Speaker 2: an inquired into medical treatment for transgender children and also
Speaker 2: a ban on gender related medical interventions for children under eighteen. Now, Ron,
Speaker 2: when Peter Dutton wandered his party room to stick to
Speaker 2: the cost of living agenda, what do you think about
Speaker 2: having these sort of issues feature in the federal election campaign.
Speaker 3: Of course they'll feature.
Speaker 11: I mean the culture walls are part of the debate
Speaker 11: and that vote with regard to Pauline Hanson's motion, I
Speaker 11: was so proud of the women like Michaulia Cash, Good Strong,
Speaker 11: Hey me too, Bromween Harley was there, Holly did it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting We're getting to you, Holly.
Speaker 11: But the point was that we had three copouts. Now,
Speaker 11: mister Bragg or Senator Bragg, he was against the he
Speaker 11: was a year's vote for the voice. Senator Maria whatever
Speaker 11: her name is, she was a blow in as a
Speaker 11: President and a blow in as a senator. So there's
Speaker 11: not the commitment there that we see from other people.
Speaker 11: So this issue is not going to go away. And
Speaker 11: Donald Trump saying there are two genders, yes, and that
Speaker 11: women are entitled not to have men bashing them up
Speaker 11: in their sport.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, is John Away. He's excellent, Holly. What's your
Speaker 3: view on Pauline Hansen's motion?
Speaker 12: Well, for a start from and welcome to your new
Speaker 12: South Wales Senate team.
Speaker 3: And I was the only one sitting over there.
Speaker 12: Supporting this motion and I won't be there for much longer.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 10: Really.
Speaker 3: Well, see how that goes.
Speaker 12: But look, that motion from Pauline has been up a
Speaker 12: number of times. It has been consistently voted down. It
Speaker 12: was originally put up under Senator Birmingham's leadership is later
Speaker 12: of the House for the oth the Senate for the
Speaker 12: opposition that it was a conscience vote. Now I find
Speaker 12: procedural matters as conscience votes a bit odd, but that
Speaker 12: was the procedure that was continued with when we went
Speaker 12: into this vote.
Speaker 3: It was a conscience vote.
Speaker 12: I know there is another inquiry ongoing and that's fine,
Speaker 12: but Senator Hanson had put this up before. I had
Speaker 12: supported previously and I intend to continue to support it.
Speaker 12: I think it's a far too important issue. I don't
Speaker 12: think it so is just you know, as was you know,
Speaker 12: let's be honest here briefed out, leaked out against colleagues
Speaker 12: that supported Senator Hansen. That was very much the tone
Speaker 12: and the fact that was in the Sydney Morning Herald,
Speaker 12: I think tells you.
Speaker 3: All you need to know.
Speaker 12: But you know, we can walk and true gum at
Speaker 12: the same time, and I'm sorry if some on the
Speaker 12: left can't. But we can absolutely recognize and appreciate that
Speaker 12: Australians are facing a cost of living pressure. But we
Speaker 12: also know that they don't want to be in a
Speaker 12: situation where their twelve year old can go and get
Speaker 12: access puberty blockers without parental consent.
Speaker 3: So we want to make.
Speaker 12: Sure that these sorts of issues are being looked at.
Speaker 12: And it is an issue that a lot of Australians
Speaker 12: find important. You know, not every issue we debate is
Speaker 12: the first and top issue for every Australian, but for
Speaker 12: some people this is a very important issue, and I
Speaker 12: think it's important as a senator that you do stand
Speaker 12: for something and I have stood in support of this
Speaker 12: motion every time Pauline has brought it up, and quite frankly,
Speaker 12: will continue to do so for the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: I'm good on you, Harley Hughes, Roman Bishop, thank you
Speaker 2: both very much for your time. Now you might have
Speaker 2: heard of the push to end salmon farming in Tasmania.
Speaker 2: This has been a push by political activists and Tanya
Speaker 2: plibisk has been dithering over it. But what you probably
Speaker 2: aren't aware is that an anti Israel lobby group is
Speaker 2: behind this campaign. Echo is a left wing activist organization
Speaker 2: from the United States and it's consistently campaigned against the
Speaker 2: Australian salmon industry.
Speaker 3: Last year they pressured.
Speaker 2: Coals and Woolwords just stop selling salmon, and the pressure
Speaker 2: was so great that at the Coles annual general meeting
Speaker 2: last year, thirty nine percent of shareholders voted to stop
Speaker 2: selling the product. Now the group is also lobbying Tanya
Speaker 2: Plibisek to ban salmon farming in Tasmania's Macquarie Harbor, citing
Speaker 2: the threat that it poses to a species called the skate.
Speaker 3: Might have heard about this.
Speaker 2: Plibisek has launched a review of salmon farming and if
Speaker 2: she does decide to end it, hundreds of families will
Speaker 2: lose their livelihood and it could cost up to between
Speaker 2: two and five thousand jobs. Now, ECO is notorious for
Speaker 2: its anti Israel positions.
Speaker 3: It's accused the Jewish homeland of Apartheit.
Speaker 2: Puma ended the sponsorship of Israel Football Association after ECO
Speaker 2: pressured them. EKO also tried unsuccessfully thankfully so far, to
Speaker 2: have Eurovision, FIFA and the Olympics ban Israel.
Speaker 3: To discuss this.
Speaker 2: And it's a fascinating alliance having this one group take
Speaker 2: such a strong anti Israel position and be behind this
Speaker 2: activist push to ban salmon farming in Tasmania. Joining me
Speaker 2: now is Shadow Environment Minister and Senator for Tasmania Jonathan
Speaker 2: Dunniam Joddah.
Speaker 3: Good to see you. Look.
Speaker 2: Are you aware of this American connection to the group
Speaker 2: trying to ban salmon farming?
Speaker 1: Now it was quite a shock to see, although we
Speaker 1: did wonder where the local on ground protesters the anti
Speaker 1: salmon Brigade were getting their money from. But to have
Speaker 1: overseas billionaires funneling their money through these dark and opaque
Speaker 1: organizations linked to such an insidious movement, a movement that
Speaker 1: has no regard for truth, no regard for the facts,
Speaker 1: and frankly seems to completely discard the rights of others,
Speaker 1: as they have in this Middle East debate. I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised that they are willing to do the same sort
Speaker 1: of thing, albeit on a smaller scale in our state
Speaker 1: of Tasmania, disregarding the facts and jeopardizing the jobs of
Speaker 1: around five thousand Tasmanians. It is something that I'm glad
Speaker 1: is now out in the open, and I applaud you
Speaker 1: for reporting this because Tasmanians need to know that overseas
Speaker 1: billionaires are backing the people that are claiming to stand
Speaker 1: up for the environment, but really all they're trying to
Speaker 1: do is destroy the Tasmanian economy. That's all this is
Speaker 1: about now.
Speaker 2: Of course there are local Australian activists who are involved
Speaker 2: with this, but you could mount the argument that there's
Speaker 2: foreign interference here as well.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that is absolutely the case, and this is
Speaker 1: something we've been worried about for some time. I read
Speaker 1: a report by the Menzi's Research Center recently which indicated
Speaker 1: that funding to these green activist organizations has exploded over
Speaker 1: time in some cases going from around ten million to
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars per annum. That it's not mums and
Speaker 1: dads handing a bit of their weekly payover. That is
Speaker 1: money coming in organizations like this. The Environmental Defender's Office
Speaker 1: is a prime organization involved in this sort of activity,
Speaker 1: and they're receiving donations we don't know where from.
Speaker 8: We don't know.
Speaker 1: Who's paid for their legal bills in the Santos case,
Speaker 1: and I would argue that some of this money is
Speaker 1: coming from overseas. Who's to say it's not foreign state
Speaker 1: actors who want to damage our economy. Who's to say
Speaker 1: it's not competitors from overseas. Our government is blind to
Speaker 1: all of this, but it all needs to stop and
Speaker 1: we need to clamp down on it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of frustration about Tanya plebis x
Speaker 2: gathering on this. Can you tell me your view on
Speaker 2: that and also what motion the coalition has put up
Speaker 2: in the Senate?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, it's been now over a year. There's
Speaker 1: been two Christmases that the honest, hard working men and
Speaker 1: women of the salmon industry have been waiting for this
Speaker 1: government to make a decision on whether salmon farming, which
Speaker 1: has operated in Macquarie Harbor, the body of what you
Speaker 1: talked about before for thirteen years. She still hasn't made
Speaker 1: a mind up. And I will bet my house on
Speaker 1: the fact that she won't make a decision before the
Speaker 1: election because she doesn't want to annoy the Green voters
Speaker 1: and she wants to keep the blue collar voters in
Speaker 1: seats like Brandon and Lyons in Tasmania. So I don't
Speaker 1: think they'll make a decision. That's why we did move
Speaker 1: a motion in the Senate to call on the Minister
Speaker 1: to actually make a decision now. Disappointingly, as you would expect,
Speaker 1: Labor and the Green's voted together and with a number
Speaker 1: of the cross Bench worked to defeat the motion. But
Speaker 1: it is a preview into what the world after an election.
Speaker 1: If a Labor Green minority government is elected, what it's
Speaker 1: going to look like. They will let this sort of
Speaker 1: activity run rife, just like they'll let anti Semitism run
Speaker 1: rife on a grand scale, because they don't stand up
Speaker 1: to these groups and the people behind these insidious campaigns.
Speaker 2: Well said John Odnim. Good to have you on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. Now still to come, Ita
Speaker 2: Butcho's appears in court today in the Antoinette latoof trial.
Speaker 2: I'll get the latest with James Willis. Plus has alban
Speaker 2: Easy's foreign policy and hostility to Trump meant that Ozzie businesses.
Speaker 3: Will have to pay tariff's.
Speaker 2: I'm going to speak about this with Julian Lisa.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 2: Last night we announced the Sky News Antisemitism Summit. It'll
Speaker 2: be held next Thursday, the twentieth of February. Headlining the
Speaker 2: event Opposition leader Peter Dutton, New South Wales Premier Chris
Speaker 2: Min's Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, former Prime Minister John Howard,
Speaker 2: Antisemitism Envoy Gillian Siegel, Holocaust survivors and so many more. Now,
Speaker 2: the aim is not for this to be a talk fest,
Speaker 2: but to come up with solutions and firm action to
Speaker 2: hopefully lead us out of this antisemitism crisis.
Speaker 3: But if there's one thing we've.
Speaker 2: Learned over the past sixteen months, it's that our politicians
Speaker 2: and leaders don't always have the answers. So we want
Speaker 2: you to get involved. And I know that all my
Speaker 2: sky News viewers are highly educated.
Speaker 3: You're smart, you're on the money.
Speaker 2: We genuinely need to hear your ideas about what you
Speaker 2: think we should discuss at the summit. So think of
Speaker 2: your best idea on how to address anti semitism. Make
Speaker 2: it big, be inspired by Donald Trump's big ideas, and
Speaker 2: I want you to email Alex Ripchin and I. And
Speaker 2: it could be hard to address racism against Jews on
Speaker 2: university campuses or in schools, or how to deal with
Speaker 2: the hate preachers, because no one's dealing with the hate preachers.
Speaker 3: So here's how to get your idea to us. We've
Speaker 3: got a new email address.
Speaker 2: It's Summit at sky news dot com dot Au.
Speaker 3: Summit.
Speaker 2: Write it down Summit at skynews dot com dot Au.
Speaker 2: That is the best email, and we're going to go
Speaker 2: through every single suggestion. We are genuinely working night and
Speaker 2: day on this anti Semitism summit. So write that down
Speaker 2: Summit at skynews dot com dot Au. Will remind you
Speaker 2: of it again at the end of the show in
Speaker 2: case you didn't get a pen on time.
Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear from you. All right.
Speaker 2: Now, let's return to these tariffs on Australian steel and aluminium.
Speaker 3: Now, Alban Eazy.
Speaker 2: Tried to say that he'd won over Trump but the
Speaker 2: fact is that an executive order on tariffs has now
Speaker 2: been signed with no exceptions. And there was also news
Speaker 2: breaking this afternoon or this evening that the Trump administration
Speaker 2: has now accused Australia of breaking its word on allowing
Speaker 2: aluminum to surge into the US and failing to rain
Speaker 2: and steal expots. Now, this US proclamation says, and I'm quoting,
Speaker 2: now Australia has disregarded its verbal commitment to voluntarily restrain
Speaker 2: its aluminum expots.
Speaker 3: To a reasonable level.
Speaker 2: It's claiming that the volume of US imports of aluminum
Speaker 2: from Australia surged, and that it was one hundred and
Speaker 2: three percent higher last year in twenty twenty four than
Speaker 2: the average amount for twenty fifteen to twenty seventy. Now,
Speaker 2: the levels of exports, that was how Scott Morrison and
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull got through bypassed the exemption. Previously right to
Speaker 2: discuss this in more liberal MP Julian Lisa joins me.
Speaker 3: Now, Julian, welcome.
Speaker 2: This is going to be a very difficult issue for
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to deal with, given senior ministers criticized
Speaker 2: Trump and their policy positions couldn't be more different from
Speaker 2: the US when it comes to China and Israel.
Speaker 14: Well Sherry, this is a very important issue. You're quite right,
Speaker 14: and the aluminium and steel industry is worth something of
Speaker 14: the order of five hundred and fifty million dollars worth
Speaker 14: of exports to this country. It employs thousands of Australians
Speaker 14: in jobs, and we in the Coalition have been very
Speaker 14: clear that we support exemptions being negotiated from these executive
Speaker 14: orders in relation to aluminum and steal and we support
Speaker 14: the government in its efforts to try and achieve those exemptions.
Speaker 14: It's very important that the US administration here is that
Speaker 14: there is bipartisan support for these exemptions, and it's important
Speaker 14: because the US does have a trading surplus with Australia.
Speaker 14: We are its most reliable ally. The Orcus arrangements are
Speaker 14: going to provide lots of opportunities not just for Australia
Speaker 14: but the United States as well, and if we come
Speaker 14: to government with our nuclear policy plan, there'll be further
Speaker 14: training opportunities there as well. So we are providing by
Speaker 14: partisan support for these negotiations to achieve these exemptions.
Speaker 3: Julian just sticking with Trump.
Speaker 2: He also said that if Hamas breaks its promise as
Speaker 2: it looks like it is, and doesn't release hostages this week.
Speaker 2: In fact, Trump says if it doesn't, if a mass
Speaker 2: doesn't release all the hostages.
Speaker 3: Then hell will break loose. What do you make of
Speaker 3: this threat.
Speaker 14: Well, I think when you go back to how the
Speaker 14: hostages came to be in Gaza in the first place,
Speaker 14: we saw the greatest crime committed against Jewish people in
Speaker 14: a single day since the Holocaust. We saw two hundred
Speaker 14: and fifty people taken hostage. And as we've seen the
Speaker 14: hostages being released, each new release sees more emaciated hostages
Speaker 14: coming forward. While there's a joy in seeing the releases,
Speaker 14: there's great sadness in seeing the conditions and the suffering
Speaker 14: of the hostages that have been there. We and the
Speaker 14: Coalition want to see all of the hostages released. We
Speaker 14: want to see them reunited with their families. That has
Speaker 14: been sort of key condition in relation to this conflict.
Speaker 14: And so the idea that this has stopped and that
Speaker 14: the hostage releases are not continuing is a very development. Right.
Speaker 2: Just quickly before you go, Mark Dreyfus attacked the Coalition
Speaker 2: for politicizing anti Semitism. What's your reaction to Dreyfus's comments.
Speaker 14: Look, Mark Drefus has form in accusing the Coalition of
Speaker 14: politicizing these issues. Before the last election, when Scott Morrison
Speaker 14: pointed out the very great differences between the Coalition and
Speaker 14: Labor on this he accused Scott Morrison of politicizing the issue.
Speaker 14: I will not accept Mark Dreyfus's criticism when I stand
Speaker 14: up for my country, my community, and my family, particularly
Speaker 14: from someone who has deserted the Jewish community, who has
Speaker 14: gone along with every change in policy and relation to Israel, who,
Speaker 14: as we've read in the paper in recent days, was
Speaker 14: opposed to the mandatory sentencing penalties that the Coalition proposed
Speaker 14: and Labor eventually had to agree with. Someone who has
Speaker 14: opposed the judicial inquiry and anti semitism on campus, someone
Speaker 14: who has done nothing to clean up the due hatred
Speaker 14: at the Human Rights Commission. Someone who has had the
Speaker 14: awesome resources at the Federal Police at his disposal the
Speaker 14: entire time, and yet failed to take these issues seriously
Speaker 14: right from the very beginning. So we're not going to
Speaker 14: be lectured to by Mark Dreyfus when we point out
Speaker 14: the failings of this government and the failings to protect
Speaker 14: the Jewish community and other law abiding Australians.
Speaker 2: Well said very strong remarks, Julian Lisa, thank you for
Speaker 2: your time as always.
Speaker 3: Now still to come.
Speaker 2: I'm going to cross to Israel to get the latest
Speaker 2: on himasa's refusal to hand over more hostages. Plus, it's
Speaker 2: been a big day in court in the Latouf ABC
Speaker 2: case with Ide Buttro's taking the stand. James Millis will
Speaker 2: tell us what she said after this quick break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Well.
Speaker 2: Ita, Buttro's former ABC chair, gave evidence today at the
Speaker 2: unfair dismissal hearing between Antoinette Latouf and the ABC, and
Speaker 2: today Ita told the court Latouf was an activist who
Speaker 2: never should have been hired by the ABC. Butcho said
Speaker 2: she was a controversial broadcaster and I think in relation
Speaker 2: to the Gaza Israel conflict, she was an activist.
Speaker 3: That was quite apparent.
Speaker 2: I drew the conclusion and I don't think we should
Speaker 2: have hired an activist of any kind, regardless of whatever
Speaker 2: view they held. Now, I think that's again a statement
Speaker 2: of the obvious. This was a hiring mistake by the ABC.
Speaker 2: To discuss I'm Joe now by Daily Telegraph journalist James
Speaker 2: Willis James, you are covering this court case, tell us
Speaker 2: about Ida Butchros's evidence today.
Speaker 8: Well, the interesting thing was Antoinette Latouff gave Itita a
Speaker 8: very big glare at one point during the evidence, and
Speaker 8: I think there would be a perception with Antoinette that
Speaker 8: Eida played a key role or a deciding role in
Speaker 8: having her dismissed and not finishing this shift. But Ito
Speaker 8: is really standing by how this played out. She's standing
Speaker 8: by her involvement, which was to send emails to David
Speaker 8: Nay and other people at the ABC to say I've
Speaker 8: received dozens of complaints, I've done my own research. My
Speaker 8: view is that she is an activist and should not
Speaker 8: be on air for the rest of the week. Or
Speaker 8: said there was a problem there that needed to be addressed,
Speaker 8: and so she was grilled at length for two hours,
Speaker 8: but once again sharing the questions. She handled it well,
Speaker 8: and she's been grilled about this suggestion that Antoinette should
Speaker 8: have the rest of the week off with COVID or
Speaker 8: the flu. I mean, look, she's been around for long
Speaker 8: enough to know that in media sometimes that does happen
Speaker 8: as an excuse to get someone off air or to
Speaker 8: give someone a break when there's something else actually going on.
Speaker 2: Just to explain that to viewers, Ite Butchers sent an
Speaker 2: email to ABC management saying, can't she just pretends she
Speaker 2: has COVID of the flu or something come back to work.
Speaker 8: And that was halfway through a five day contract. And
Speaker 8: this whole fight is over a five day contract, which,
Speaker 8: as you say, and I think both of the view
Speaker 8: there was enough paper trail that Antoninette le Tufe was
Speaker 8: not going to satisfy the ABC's impartiality guidelines. She had
Speaker 8: a long history of provocative comments, long history of one
Speaker 8: sided comments on the saga and the war and the
Speaker 8: conflict in the Middle East. So the other thing today
Speaker 8: was that you've got all these other ABC middle management
Speaker 8: and these people have been called out that don't have
Speaker 8: their ducks lined up. Some of them say, oh, she
Speaker 8: was told not to post on social media. Others are
Speaker 8: saying that she actually was the complete opposite of that.
Speaker 8: So it's been a complete train wreck on every front.
Speaker 8: But I just think Ita looked at it and looked
Speaker 8: at the complaints and looked at the evidence and said, hey,
Speaker 8: for a five day radio shift, why is she still
Speaker 8: on air?
Speaker 3: Why are we actually putting ourselves through these complaints in
Speaker 3: the first place.
Speaker 8: Yes, it would have been easy to cut the cord.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's also emerged in cod that latoof was a
Speaker 2: diversity higher in the first place because the ABC has
Speaker 2: got these diversity quotas.
Speaker 8: Yes exactly, and to think that she was hired to
Speaker 8: tick that box. But then someone also didn't say, oh,
Speaker 8: look to be honest like anyone. I mean, if Sky
Speaker 8: Newes was hiring someone tomorrow, the first thing you would
Speaker 8: do is look at their social media year history and say,
Speaker 8: just so you know, in the last two years they've
Speaker 8: said a lot of controversial comments about one particular issue
Speaker 8: regarding politics or science or anything. And that might be
Speaker 8: enough not to give someone a job, because guess what
Speaker 8: the first thing the rest of the media does is
Speaker 8: look at that and say, Sky's just hired someone that
Speaker 8: didn't tick that so terrible higher from the ABC. And
Speaker 8: this mess I think could have been should have been avoided.
Speaker 3: Could have been prevented with a proper resume background check. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: All right, let's have a.
Speaker 2: Look at this story that just broke on the Australian
Speaker 2: right now, and it's a good one that the teals
Speaker 2: have turned up for a fancy cocktail party at the lodge.
Speaker 2: So this story the Teals have been invited to the
Speaker 2: lodge by Anthony Alberizi for the first time. We're going
Speaker 2: to show you the pictures that this is the Australians
Speaker 2: exclusive of the Teals arriving at the lodge. Now, James, clearly,
Speaker 2: while we're looking at these pictures, clearly this is the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister trying to woo the Teals in case he
Speaker 2: needs their support in a hung part.
Speaker 8: That's right, and I think despite the Labor primary vote
Speaker 8: being in real trouble, the other elephant in the room
Speaker 8: is the fact that the minor parties still have significant
Speaker 8: support and in the event of Labor or Liberal being
Speaker 8: unable to form government, they're going to have to rely
Speaker 8: on the cross bench. The Greens are not the biggest
Speaker 8: part of that in the lower House. The biggest part
Speaker 8: of that are the Teals and Independence, like d Lee,
Speaker 8: who was also there tonight. So Albo's attempting to woo
Speaker 8: them before the election very strategically because I think he
Speaker 8: thinks that ultimately, if it gets close, he's going to
Speaker 8: need their votes. The great irony of the Teals supporting
Speaker 8: Anthony Albanesi is that they are in traditional blue ribbon seats,
Speaker 8: traditional conservative voters who will tenderly vote that way. They've
Speaker 8: decided to vote independent. They're certainly not people that would prefer,
Speaker 8: in my view, labor over liberal traditionally. But you can
Speaker 8: guarantee that if it's close, Zali and the others will
Speaker 8: be supporting Anthony Alberanisi.
Speaker 13: So that'll be a story.
Speaker 8: And the Cocktail Party has just made it all that
Speaker 8: more interesting.
Speaker 3: Indeed, it has.
Speaker 2: James Willis, thank you very much for joining us. All right,
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere. We'll cross live to Israel as Donald
Speaker 2: Trump calls out Hermas's cruel tactics and threatens.
Speaker 3: To unleash hell. That's next. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, let's return to this big breaking story that HERMAS
Speaker 2: is refusing to release the remaining hostages and Trump has
Speaker 2: threatened to unleash hell. Joining me now, human rights lawyer,
Speaker 2: the chief executive of the International Legal Forum and senior
Speaker 2: fellow at the MISGOV Institute for National Security, Arsen Ostrowsky
Speaker 2: joins me.
Speaker 3: Arsen, good to see you again.
Speaker 2: Look what is your Well, I actually want to just
Speaker 2: start with the news that's been breaking that eighty six
Speaker 2: year old hostage Shlomo Mansor. He was kidnapped on October seven,
Speaker 2: and we're now hearing that he was killed by Hermas
Speaker 2: eighty six year old.
Speaker 13: Books Sharry. There is, honestly, depths no ends to the
Speaker 13: to the depravity, the cruelty, and the monstrous evil of Hamas.
Speaker 13: They spare no one from a Holocaust survivor eighty six
Speaker 13: year old Shamoon Manso whom they kidnapped to hostage, from
Speaker 13: his fineman modern captivity, to the youngest of hostages nine
Speaker 13: month old baby, to women and the elderly. No one
Speaker 13: is spared by their evil. There is, there is no
Speaker 13: ends to that. So true, there's a very very sad day.
Speaker 2: Indeed, it's really really sad, you know, to think that
Speaker 2: an eighty six year old has to go through this arson.
Speaker 2: I spoke earlier in the show about my sense, which
Speaker 2: is that the remaining hostages are either not alive or
Speaker 2: they're in such a terrible condition, so emaciated and starved,
Speaker 2: that Hamas doesn't want the world to.
Speaker 3: See their depravity. What do you think about that?
Speaker 13: I think that's that's that's a fair assumption. Harmas is
Speaker 13: engaged in a sadistic game of psychological warfare and torture.
Speaker 13: We have seen that with every single move they make,
Speaker 13: everything for them is some kind of you know, vile
Speaker 13: show and a propaganda exhibition. My worry had been for
Speaker 13: some time that they are in fact releasing hostages in
Speaker 13: descending order of health, and we have seen that steadily,
Speaker 13: of course, culminating the three as you noted, emaciated stuff
Speaker 13: hostages we saw just a few days ago. So it
Speaker 13: may well be that the remaining hostages are in such
Speaker 13: awful condition, which we know already for a fact, including
Speaker 13: for most of ever return. They've spoken about the hostages
Speaker 13: and captivity being chained, being deprived of food, water, lights,
Speaker 13: in the most horrific, barbaric of conditions, and again for
Speaker 13: hamass is all exhibitions or some kind of vile show.
Speaker 13: So it may well be that they're doing this, prolonging
Speaker 13: this in order to buy themselves more time in order
Speaker 13: to release the next set of captives, possibly in a
Speaker 13: better condition. We don't know, but they are, you know,
Speaker 13: they are violating every single term of the agreement with
Speaker 13: his role with the mediators, and as he said, President
Speaker 13: Trump has been very clear released the hostages by twelve
Speaker 13: nun or they will be indeed hell to pay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said, now release all of them. He
Speaker 2: said he doesn't want to see them in drips or drabs.
Speaker 2: Do you think this is a threat or do you
Speaker 2: think he would actually fulfill his threat that they would
Speaker 2: be hell to pay?
Speaker 3: And what does that really look like?
Speaker 2: Because you know, it's really been Israel leading the fight
Speaker 2: against her mass up until now.
Speaker 13: Look, I mean, I think that we should take President
Speaker 13: Trump at his word. He has been consistent well before
Speaker 13: even his election that they will be hell to pay
Speaker 13: for if Hamas does not release these hostages, not just
Speaker 13: the Americans holding hostages, but all the remaining hostages. So
Speaker 13: it has been very very clear about that. How that
Speaker 13: we look in terms of what further what else can
Speaker 13: be done. Look, there are a number of steps that
Speaker 13: sertainly can be taken. Those radio troops can go back
Speaker 13: into the net Surim corridor. We can see a stoppage
Speaker 13: of gardens going back to the north. We can see
Speaker 13: more build up with radio troops. We can see a
Speaker 13: stoppage in the flow of aid getting into gaards, which
Speaker 13: has really increased even more even beyond what it had
Speaker 13: already been coming through, but not decisions in Hamasa's in
Speaker 13: Harmasa's hands whether they have these hostages or suffer the
Speaker 13: consequences of what will be held to pay for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the thing is that HARMUSK clearly
Speaker 2: doesn't care about Palestinian civilians when it comes to aid. Arsenostrowsky,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Now, as I
Speaker 2: mentioned a bit earlier, we have the Sky News Antisemitism
Speaker 2: Summit next Thursday. We need to hear your ideas. What
Speaker 2: do you think we need to do to fix this
Speaker 2: antisemitism crisis? What do you think we need to do
Speaker 2: about the hate preachers, about the protests, about the antisemitism
Speaker 2: on education campuses, in schools, in the classroom, in our institutions.
Speaker 3: Email us.
Speaker 2: The address is summit at skynews dot com dot au,
Speaker 2: Summit at skynews dot com dot au.
Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow night at eight o'clock. And here's
Speaker 3: Paul Murray