WEBVTT - Sharri | 11 February 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:10.640 Why On Sky News This is Sharry. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.840 Good evening, and don't worry, Andrew, I'll forgive you well. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.160 Tonight on the show, Donald Trump makes alban easy beg 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.600 over tariffs while threatening to unleash hell on hermus I'll 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.360 get reaction from Brunwyn Bishop Holly Hughes and Julian Lisa 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.880 Shortly AA Butcho's takes the stand in the Antoinette Latouf trial, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.440 saying the activist should never have been hired. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.000 Well, ain't that the truth? 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.760 Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis will share all the details 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.559 from court, including the look as black as thunder that 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:44.280 Latouff shot Buttro's and I'll tell you how you can 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.960 get involved in our Sky News antisemitism summit. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.680 We need your ideas. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.640 Our politicians have been behind the eight ball, so we 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.960 want to hear from you about how you think we 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.200 should fix this crisis. I'll tell you how to get 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.760 those ideas to us a bit later, but first tonight, 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.440 Albanezi and Pettiwong's criticisms of Donald Trump come back to 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.800 bite them as they try to seek favors for Australia. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.800 The biggest test yet of the Albanese government will be 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.440 whether the Prime Minister can negotiate with Trump to give 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:24.080 Australia an exemption from his teal and aluminium tariffs. Now, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.800 our prime minister is not known for either his charm 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.440 or his powers of persuasion. In fact, he's seen as 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.800 a weak prime minister who can't get anything done. And 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.920 he had forty minutes forty to convince Trump not to 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:45.720 slap tariffs on Australia, with precedent already set during Trump's 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.520 last administration. But even after a forty minute call, Trump 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:55.400 then publicly declared to the world that the tariffs would apply. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.320 To all countries with no exceptions. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.680 Acting our steel an aluminum industries as a must. And 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.360 today I am simplifying our tariffs and steal and aluminum 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.679 so that everyone can understand exactly what it means. It's 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.560 twenty five percent, without exceptions or exemptions, and that's all countries, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.960 no matter where it comes from, all countries. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:23.960 Asked specifically about Australia, Donald Trump was polite and said 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.079 Albanezi was a very fine man, and he did concede 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.040 that Australia has a trade surplus with the US. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.160 He said he'd consider an exemption. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.160 I just spoke to him, very fine man. We actually 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.480 have a surplus. It's one of the only countries which 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.960 we do. And I told him that that's something that 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.320 we will give great consideration. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:47.840 It's encouraging. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.400 But Trump made no commitment to a tariff exemption for Australia. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.440 That was an exemption that Turnbull was able to negotiate 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.840 when he was Prime Minister. Scott Morrison, his PM, also 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.880 negotiated an exemption. While Morrison and Trump get along famously, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.480 as James Patterson said here last night, Turnbull was hardly 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.480 an ideological acolyte of Trump's. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.480 Well, you wouldn't necessarily think that Malcolm Turnbull and President 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.880 Trump were simpatico in personality types. You can imagine they 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.120 would have different world views on many issues. But Malcolm 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.160 Turnbull put the national interests first. He bet a pathway 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.200 to President Trump's door. He very assertively stood up for 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.560 Australia's interest and he persuaded President Trump. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.040 And you have to compare Trump's lukewarm attitude to Australia 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.640 to how he rolled out the red carpet for Israeli 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:45.400 Prime Minister Benjamin nettan Yahoo. We can plainly see that 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:50.360 Trump isn't treating Australia anywhere nearly as warmly as he 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.880 is other clearly better allies like Israel, and we know why. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.720 Policy and personality. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.880 On the policy front, there's already been a rift between America. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.200 And Australia under the Biden administration. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.560 America was deeply unhappy with Australia's voting record on Israel 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:17.039 at the United Nations. The Biden administration was also unhappy 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:22.080 with how Albanesi was cozying up to China. These are 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.000 things that Albanzi knew but chose to forge your head 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.120 with anyway, and now they could come back to haunt him. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.120 It seems he was not. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:37.680 So worried about not upsetting Chinese dictator Jijingping, and now 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:42.279 he's put the Australian US alliance at risk, and this 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.800 means hurting Australian businesses. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.719 And the economy, and that's the reality of the matter. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:49.920 Then there's personality. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.239 Trump would be well aware of Albanesi and Kevin Rudd's 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.960 comments about him in the past. As you know, Kevin 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:03.160 Rudd called him a village idiot, while Albanesi mocked Trump. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.680 The United States in the last four years has been 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.680 run by a village idiots. People have seen China continued 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.320 continuing to be competent international state craft and the United 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:20.800 States increasingly incompetent and international state craft under Trump. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:25.360 A skates academy. And I think it's of some concern 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:30.279 that the leader of the free world thinks that you 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.799 can conduct politics through one hundred and forty characters on Twitter. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.200 And Albanizi was a senior shadow minister when he made 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.920 those comments in twenty seventeen. But even in twenty twenty one, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:48.720 Petty Wong accused Donald Trump of trashic foreign alliances. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.240 You know, we've seen somebody, a leader of previous in 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.880 recent times who was prepared to trash alliances and partnerships 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.680 for personal political interest in his name was Donald Trump. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.120 None of this is wise or diplomatic. From the figures 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.200 who are now the most senior ministers of the Albanesi government, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.680 it makes you seriously question their political judgment. Now, the 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:18.400 tariffs begin on March the fourth, so Albanezi has around 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.279 three weeks to convince the president that he should treat 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.760 Australia like his closest ally. But if it doesn't go 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:31.599 Australia's way, then the entire country. All the businesses will 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.599 pay Albanese's lack. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.240 Of judgment and leadership. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.400 Now, Trump has threatened to end the Gaza cease fire 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.520 and unleash hell if all the hostages aren't back by 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.320 noon on Saturday. His comments came after HAMAS said its 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:56.000 handover of hostages this weekend will be postponed until further notice. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.240 These are cruel games that HAMAS has now been playing 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:00.680 for sixty months. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.560 And it was able to get away with. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:07.839 Playing these cruel games under the Buyner administration, but not anymore. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.200 Trump is one of the only world leaders showing genuine 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.240 strength and leadership, particularly when it comes to terrorism, and 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.000 he said, if all the hostages aren't back by the weekend, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:23.600 they'll be held to pay. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.800 Saturday at twelve o'clock, I think it's an appropriate time. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.160 I would say cancel it and all bets are off 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.240 and let hell break out. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.160 And once again, Trump spoke about the hostages who were 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.240 released on the weekend, who were emaciated and they look 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.560 like concentration camp survivors. He said he was worried how 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.520 long the other hostages still held captive would be able 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:52.280 to stay alive. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:59.040 It looked like something out of the nineteen thirties. It's 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.679 an absolutely disgrace. What you see is probably the best 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.880 because they want to send people that look at least healthy, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.080 and that's not healthy. These people have been badly heard 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.960 mentally and physically, and I think Amas is looking at 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.440 that and say, well, it's not going to get much 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.040 better than that, because they're probably sending out their best 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.160 as a representative, and I. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:27.280 Agree with his comments. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:32.040 It is a serious concern that the remaining hostages who 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.760 are alive warn't stay alive for a long time, given 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.120 Hamas has been starving and torturing them. The international community 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.160 should be worried about this, but no statement from the 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:49.200 United Nations today, despite the fact that innocent lives hang 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.720 in the balance. Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharan Haskell 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.080 demanded the international community step up. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.800 The pressure of the international community and humanitarian efforts need 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.199 to be ramped up on Hamas so they release the 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.360 rest of the hostages right now. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:16.600 If only the international community cared. There are still seventy 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.040 three hostages remaining in Gaza, although not all are alive. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.280 Hamasa's military wing has blamed Israel for violating the terms 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.000 of the ceasefire when it did say that it wouldn't 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.560 be releasing any more hostages this week, but of course 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.319 that was a nonsense excuse. The Times of Israel reports 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:41.040 that Hamas claimed Israel wasn't allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza, 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.440 but that it was not immediately clear what Hamas was 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.600 referring to in its comments about humanitarian aid, which has 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:54.319 been entering this strip in great quantities now. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.880 In reality, like Donald Trump's. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:01.520 Suspects, it's likely that it's because the hostages are in 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.520 such weak, poor condition and Hermas is too embarrassed to 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.400 release them. And that's saying something because Hermas wasn't too 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.559 embarrassed to slaughter babies in their. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.280 Clots on October seven. Now we know there have been 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:18.080 reports that. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.439 Hamas was trying to fatten up Eli or Hard and 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.839 Awe before their release last weekend. They were suddenly trying 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:31.360 to feed them after extreme starvation for sixteen months. Former 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.800 labor and p Michael Danby agrees that this is most 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.520 likely why Harmas doesn't want to release any more hostages, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.840 And here he was making what I found to be 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.760 such a heartbreaking point on Chris Kenny earlier. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.440 The reason her Musk canceled the ceasefire in the last 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.320 few hours. Chris is because they're afraid of the reaction 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.840 of the rest of the world when they send the 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:02.400 rest of the hostages back in boxes, particularly coffins, with 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.559 those two little children and their mother in it. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.760 And that is such a horrible and tragic thought. It 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.520 is the moment we've all been dreading that we know 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.080 is coming. In recent weeks, we've been able to get 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.760 a good look at these bloodthirsty terrorists. These monsters have 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:25.120 been hiding like cockroaches in the web of tunnels underneath Gaza. 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.720 There's such cowards that they. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.280 Don't show their face and they've only emerged in public 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:36.000 now that there's a ceasefire. Instead, they've preferred in the 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:41.040 past to put innocent civilians in harm's way. It's all 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.640 part of their deliberate military strategy to have Palestinians killed 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:51.560 so that the international community turns against Israel in outrage. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.720 But that strategy isn't going to wash with Trump. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.520 If the terror group does not release the remaining hostages, 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.520 all of them, Trump said, and this includes the Bibas 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.600 children by midday on Saturday, then the President says they'll 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.080 be hell to pay now. Hamas should have been made 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.600 to pay hell for what they've done a long time ago, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.560 instead of being molly coddled by the international community. But 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:22.360 finally Hermas is now on notice and it's not a 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:23.720 moment too soon. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:28.559 All right, let's bring it now. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.360 Former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and Liberal Senator 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.200 Holly Hughes. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.720 Welcome to you both, Bronwin. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.959 I want to start with the trades and then we'll 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.000 get to Trump's threaten the hostages. But clearly the Prime 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.720 Minister is under immense pressure to achieve an exemption from 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.720 Donald Trump. He has already signed that executive order today, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.319 so it's not looking promising. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.880 Look, Alban Easy is literally a boy on a man's errand, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.079 and he's so out of his steps. It just doesn't matter. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.079 The fact of the matter is. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.320 That the whole background of his personal background and that 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.440 of Kevin Wood puts them behind to start with. But 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.480 to come out afterwards and imply, oh, we had such 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.600 a nice chat, We've done a deal. He's just so 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.199 stupid when it's not true. So he's made the situation 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.760 worse with that statement that it would have been otherwise. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.880 He doesn't even know how to finesse. He's got no idea. 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.560 It's an embarrassment to see this man as Prime Minister 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.680 of our nation on the international stage. So it's a 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.600 long way to go before we find out whether or 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.400 not there will be any exemptions given for us. And 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.920 the first thing that the government could do is bringing 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.560 some relief with regard to energy policy, so that the 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.600 people who are making the aluminium, for instance, can have 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.360 a lessening and cost so that they can be cost 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.960 competitive with a tariff. It starts to think things that 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.640 are within his control, not making up what somebody else 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:07.240 is going to do. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:08.600 Holly. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.520 The reality is if there are tariffs on the aluminium 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.280 and steel industry, many people will be thinking, well, you know, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.920 perhaps have alban easy. Penny Wang and Kevin Wright hadn't 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.360 been so hostile in past comments towards President Trump, there 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:25.720 might have been a different outcome. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:28.400 Well, but it's. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.240 Also come out this afternoon Shari that President Trump has 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.040 claimed that Australia had broken its verbal promise when it 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.800 came to aluminium into the United States. And for anyone 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.080 I think who doesn't just blindly believe what mister Albineazy 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.640 said that basically a deal was done. It's certainly a 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:55.200 worrying sign that President Trump is reconsidering or was perhaps 0:14:55.240 --> 0:15:00.280 not as seriously considering, exempting Australia from these tariffs. I 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.000 do think it's important that you know it's we can 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:05.840 be part of it, and we're coming into an election 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.400 and there'll be plenty of that. But the reality is 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.920 when it comes to these sorts of issues, we do 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.800 need to have a little bit of Team Australia to 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.680 make sure that our manufacturers are being supported. As Peter 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.280 Dutner said, not only is the US an important trading partner, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.240 they're an important ally We've had a very long standing 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.640 relationship with them, but that we also support free trade 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.840 and want to ensure that we're supporting local manufacturers. With 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:36.280 an interesting suggestion there, Bromwin, you know, the aluminium smelter 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.280 in Tomago requires such huge amounts of energy and quite 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.280 often they're called upon to sort of slow down production 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.160 or to come offline for a little bit because obviously 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.760 they can't go offline permanently, you can't restart them, but 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.280 to shed the power so that Sydney can keep the 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.320 lights on. So I think you're right Bromwin, if we 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.880 are going to do anything when it comes to particularly 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.160 the aluminium smelters, that we do have a look at 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.800 some energy relief for them in a bid to keep 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.760 them float until these matters are resolved. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.680 I think you can't escape the fact that both Malcolm 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.800 Turnbull and Scott Morrison were able to achieve these exemptions. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.200 So if alban Ezy can't, there'll be a lot of 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.880 questions for him to answer. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.080 About why that's the case. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:24.240 All right. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.200 A former Labor politician has weighed in on the latest 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.840 Downing Pole figures. We spoke about those figures on the 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.760 show last night. They show that the Albanzi government is 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:38.200 hemorrhaging voters in outer suburban areas. The former Fowler MP 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.640 Chris Hayes told The Daily Telegraph that if those stats hold, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.760 it'd be a serious worry for the Labor Party at 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.120 the next election. Bronwin, I mean, in large part Labor 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.480 did win the last election because they were able to 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.880 win some of those outer suburban seats. They need those 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.440 seats to hold power, but those seats are where regular 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.280 mainstream Australians are and they're not buying the Albanezi government's agenda. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.800 Look, Chris Hayes was a thoroughly decent, old fashioned labor 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:13.000 member who looked after his electors. I used to deal 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.760 with him quite often, and I found that he was 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.160 the sort of person you could have a good regard for. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.960 And what he's describing as his own disillusionment with what 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.119 has happened in that part of Sydney now. When I 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.600 was Party president back in nineteen eighty five, I set 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.480 my office up in Paramatta because I knew we had 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.439 to go into the west of Sydney where aspirations were 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.560 alive and well, because that's where future leaders were going 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.280 to come from. When I became a senator, I put 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:48.040 my office in Paramatta and served there. I regarded the 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.320 million people then that were surrounding me as my personal 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.840 electors electorate, and I treated it like it was an electorate. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.520 It's a good temperature check in that lie acturate for 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:01.960 what just regular issue. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.800 Yes, And the important thing was for Nick Griner to 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.399 get the lapslide he got. He had to win seats 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:12.919 in Western Sydney and we did so. This has been 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:17.240 a long term process, but there is a realization now, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.760 I think by more and more Australians who may have 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.560 had a soft spot for the old Labor Party, that 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.480 they have well and truly abandoned them, and that the 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.040 way ahead is through the Liberal Party, which believes in 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.679 the individual, their opportunity to use their own talents and 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.520 to get ahead without the burden of government crushing them 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.040 or regularly red and green tape. They're the sorts of 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.800 things that they respond to because they want for their kids, 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.080 they want for their standard of living. These are good 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.760 Australians and they deserve much better and Peter Dutton is 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.160 offering that to them. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:58.080 Holly, if Peter Dutton is able to find the path 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.320 to victory at the next election, it will be through 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:06.200 outer suburban seats, but also through Victoria, which has been 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.280 such a difficult state for the Coalition in the past. 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.520 Oh absolutely, And I think what we saw in Victoria 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.199 on the weekend such an enormous shift away from the 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.440 Labor Party. I haven't heard very many people, if any, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.199 mention that the seat in wherever it was actually the 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.159 former Treasurer's seat, it was considered as safe as houses 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.720 that seat and the fact that it's come down to 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.879 a couple of one hundred votes is an enormous swing 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:38.080 away from the Labor Party in their heartland. The red 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:43.440 brick wall is very very quickly crumbling around Victoria. That 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:48.679 is in part to the terrible Andrews Allen government and 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:53.800 what they have done in just decimating Victoria. It's absolutely 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.600 devastating when you look at what these this government has 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.399 done to that state. But voters acros the board, I 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.120 think they're generally feeling a little bit gas lit by 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.720 this Prime Minister and listening to the Labor members because 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.680 when you listen to their talking points that they sprout 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.639 and I hear them when they come on Sky News. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.439 We've done cheaper childcare, we've done free tafe, and you 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.240 know this renewable energy that's going to be so cheap 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.360 and free for everybody, and all this ridiculous. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.040 Rubbish they're going on with. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.760 But every day Australians know when they go to the 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.320 grocery store, it costs more. When they try to pay 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.040 their rank, call their mortgage, it costs more. Their energy 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.080 costs more. When people are putting their kids into childcare 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.440 and they're being told we've delivered cheaper childcare, but they're 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.879 paying more every week to put their kids in childcare. 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.480 It's gas lighting by the government of the Australian electorate 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:47.680 and I think they're starting to see through it. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.480 Absolutely. That is the crux of the matter. Now, just 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.440 before we go, let'speak about this story. There's about eighteen 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:59.359 Coalition senators who are reportedly backing Pauline Hanson's motion for 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:03.800 an inquired into medical treatment for transgender children and also 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:09.480 a ban on gender related medical interventions for children under eighteen. Now, Ron, 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.679 when Peter Dutton wandered his party room to stick to 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.399 the cost of living agenda, what do you think about 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:21.320 having these sort of issues feature in the federal election campaign. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:22.520 Of course they'll feature. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.320 I mean the culture walls are part of the debate 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:32.040 and that vote with regard to Pauline Hanson's motion, I 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.160 was so proud of the women like Michaulia Cash, Good Strong, 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.280 Hey me too, Bromween Harley was there, Holly did it? 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.800 Yeah, we're getting We're getting to you, Holly. 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.520 But the point was that we had three copouts. Now, 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.840 mister Bragg or Senator Bragg, he was against the he 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.760 was a year's vote for the voice. Senator Maria whatever 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.560 her name is, she was a blow in as a 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.240 President and a blow in as a senator. So there's 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.639 not the commitment there that we see from other people. 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.359 So this issue is not going to go away. And 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.280 Donald Trump saying there are two genders, yes, and that 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:12.159 women are entitled not to have men bashing them up 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:12.680 in their sport. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:17.959 Yeah, exactly, is John Away. He's excellent, Holly. What's your 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:19.480 view on Pauline Hansen's motion? 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:22.919 Well, for a start from and welcome to your new 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:24.160 South Wales Senate team. 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.240 And I was the only one sitting over there. 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.160 Supporting this motion and I won't be there for much longer. 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:30.560 I'm sorry to hear that. 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:30.960 Really. 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.399 Well, see how that goes. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.480 But look, that motion from Pauline has been up a 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.320 number of times. It has been consistently voted down. It 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.400 was originally put up under Senator Birmingham's leadership is later 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.760 of the House for the oth the Senate for the 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:52.679 opposition that it was a conscience vote. Now I find 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.639 procedural matters as conscience votes a bit odd, but that 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.600 was the procedure that was continued with when we went 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:00.320 into this vote. 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:01.760 It was a conscience vote. 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.439 I know there is another inquiry ongoing and that's fine, 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.520 but Senator Hanson had put this up before. I had 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.840 supported previously and I intend to continue to support it. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.119 I think it's a far too important issue. I don't 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.639 think it so is just you know, as was you know, 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:23.719 let's be honest here briefed out, leaked out against colleagues 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.119 that supported Senator Hansen. That was very much the tone 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:28.959 and the fact that was in the Sydney Morning Herald, 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:29.760 I think tells you. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:30.639 All you need to know. 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.040 But you know, we can walk and true gum at 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.159 the same time, and I'm sorry if some on the 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.960 left can't. But we can absolutely recognize and appreciate that 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.800 Australians are facing a cost of living pressure. But we 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:46.879 also know that they don't want to be in a 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.920 situation where their twelve year old can go and get 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.359 access puberty blockers without parental consent. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:53.720 So we want to make. 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.040 Sure that these sorts of issues are being looked at. 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.000 And it is an issue that a lot of Australians 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.639 find important. You know, not every issue we debate is 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.840 the first and top issue for every Australian, but for 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.479 some people this is a very important issue, and I 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:12.479 think it's important as a senator that you do stand 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.760