Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Tonight we'll expose Australians attending the Lebanese funeral
Speaker 2: of hesbl Alida Hassan Nasralla, our explosive report. In a moment,
Speaker 2: Plas Albanizi defends China's aggressive actions in the Tasman Sea.
Speaker 2: This is their safety. Authorities reveal they only learned about
Speaker 2: the live fire exercises thirty minutes after they started. Rodin
Speaker 2: Bishop and Holly Hughes would join me to discuss and
Speaker 2: Ariel Bibbis's five year old best friend tells his mum
Speaker 2: that he's not dead and he's just in his room.
Speaker 2: Elon Levy would join me from Israel to talk about
Speaker 2: this heartbreak ahead of tomorrow's funeral. Refers tonight to our
Speaker 2: exclusive story. We can expose Australians who've flown to Lebanon,
Speaker 2: where they've attended terror leader Hassan Nasralla's funeral. Nasralla was
Speaker 2: responsible for the murder of thousands during his three decade
Speaker 2: reign of Hesbelah. He was finally killed in his bunker
Speaker 2: by Israel in September last year, and this came after
Speaker 2: Hesbelah began prolific attacks against Israel on October the eighth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Now, all political leaders, from the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister to the Opposition leader have been pretty clear that
Speaker 2: Hesbela is a terror organization and its leader is not
Speaker 2: someone any Australian should mourn.
Speaker 3: Well, there's no place for morning a terrorist leader, and
Speaker 3: we're very concerned about.
Speaker 1: Some of the terrorist symbols.
Speaker 3: It's completely unacceptable.
Speaker 1: They're a terrorist organization that they organized terrorist attacks.
Speaker 2: Yet Tony Burke's Home Affairs Department didn't stop Australians from
Speaker 2: traveling to Lebanon to attend his funeral, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that Azio confirmed to they do have the power to
Speaker 2: do this. Sydney based religious leader Ahbed Almajed Murtada is
Speaker 2: pictured at Nasula's funeral. He's on the left in a
Speaker 2: photograph he posted to his own social media account just
Speaker 2: a day ago. As you can see in his social
Speaker 2: media posts that I'm about to show you, he had
Speaker 2: prime seating at the funeral. He was right in front
Speaker 2: of the stage at the center of the stadium. Now,
Speaker 2: we put questions to Ahbed and he told us, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm a proud Australian citizen. I flew to Lebanon to
Speaker 2: pay my respects to our beloved and esteemed clergy. So
Speaker 2: he's proudly admitting that he flew to Lebanon to attend
Speaker 2: the funeral of a terrorist leader. Now Ahbed is a
Speaker 2: Scout leader. He teaches Australian youth, including children in Sydney.
Speaker 2: Now here's another Australian mirror who's posted videos where she
Speaker 2: smiles before panning her camera round to show that she's
Speaker 2: also at Nasrulla's funeral. Miriam also posted this video with
Speaker 2: the caption for Israeli jets flew above us twice and
Speaker 2: in another post she wrote Sayid Hassan Nasrallah on a
Speaker 2: video as you can see of Mourna's touching the coffin.
Speaker 2: She also posed for photographs in front of many tributes
Speaker 2: to Nasrallah. You can see that on your screen now.
Speaker 2: Miriam posted many videos of her trip. She posted videos
Speaker 2: as well of her trip from Australia to Lebanon. She
Speaker 2: captured herself flying to Beirute via Abu Dhabi, going to
Speaker 2: the hairdresser, going out for meals, and also at an
Speaker 2: at Nasraela's funeral in Sydney. She has a children's hair
Speaker 2: braiding business, where she claims on the Instagram page that
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the profits go to Palestine and Lebanon.
Speaker 2: Then there's ishak Zaan, who's been posting prolifically on social
Speaker 2: media from the funeral ceremonies. He also posted a picture
Speaker 2: with a group of men that he says are the
Speaker 2: AUSSI contingent. You can see that there, he says, AUSSI crew.
Speaker 2: In another post, he said he arrived at the funeral
Speaker 2: at five am. He said the stadium filled up until
Speaker 2: there were one point four million people there. That's his claim.
Speaker 2: In another post, he wrote, I'm just trying to process
Speaker 2: the most emotional day of my life. I can't even
Speaker 2: put into words what I experienced today. Crying in the
Speaker 2: arms of brothers before even knowing their names, he said,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I was granted the opportunity to be in
Speaker 2: the presence of history and take it all in. He
Speaker 2: also showed himself at the funeral along with the tens
Speaker 2: of thousands of other people there. You can see him
Speaker 2: in the right hand corner of your screen. And then
Speaker 2: of Nasralla, the terror leader, he said, a giant of
Speaker 2: a man in a Coffin didn't think I'd see the day,
Speaker 2: nor did it feel real. In another post, he filmed
Speaker 2: the destruction from the war and said their day will come,
Speaker 2: God willing. Their day will come, God willing. Now one
Speaker 2: of the other Australians with him has also posted a
Speaker 2: lot of content, a lot of videos from Hassan Nasralla's
Speaker 2: funeral and many from Lebanon over the past couple of years.
Speaker 2: But then I had a look at his social media
Speaker 2: archives and I saw that there were videos taken from
Speaker 2: Dover Heights Park in Sydney, and Dover Heights is a
Speaker 2: predominantly Jewish area. You can see those videos on your screen.
Speaker 2: It was quite chilling to see that. And those videos
Speaker 2: were taken in May twenty twenty four, and you just
Speaker 2: wonder what someone who supports a terrorist organization like this
Speaker 2: person does was doing in Dover Heights Park. Then here's
Speaker 2: another Australian, Hassan Jeba. He says on his social media
Speaker 2: that he lives in Sydney, Australia, and he's posted footage
Speaker 2: from the Palestinian protests at Hyde Park. That photograph you're
Speaker 2: looking at was on October the twenty ninth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: By the way, just a couple of weeks after October
Speaker 2: the seventh. Here here is at another pro Palestinian protest.
Speaker 2: He's holding a toddler in his arms. Then he shared
Speaker 2: this photograph of himself at Nosula's funeral wearing a scarf
Speaker 2: with the terror leader's face on it. He also posted
Speaker 2: countless videos. Now we do have documented evidence for several
Speaker 2: more individuals as well, but I'd be here all night. Now,
Speaker 2: let's go through this very carefully. Hesbela is a prescribed
Speaker 2: terror organization and support for a terrorist organization is banned
Speaker 2: in Australia. It's a criminal offense to openly support terrorism.
Speaker 2: There are also new hate speech laws which prohibit the
Speaker 2: waving of prescribed symbols such as the Hesbela flag. Now
Speaker 2: we ask the Home Affairs Department whether this travel that
Speaker 2: I've shown tonight breaches the laws that prohibit support for
Speaker 2: a terrorist organization in our country. We also are asked
Speaker 2: Home Affairs whether they knew that these individuals were flying
Speaker 2: to Lebanon seemingly with the explicit purpose of attending the funeral,
Speaker 2: and if so, why were they allowed to leave the country.
Speaker 2: We provided Home Affairs with the details of the social
Speaker 2: media accounts. We did this yesterday to give them time
Speaker 2: to see for themselves. As usual, we received a weak
Speaker 2: and pathetic response here it is. Home Affairs said the
Speaker 2: department does not comment on individuals, including travel movements or
Speaker 2: citizenship status. Anyone suspecting criminal activity is urged to contact
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies. Now, Home Affairs and Bordiforce both have
Speaker 2: the power to stop people leaving the country if they
Speaker 2: suspect their involvement in terror. It's a point ASIO Director
Speaker 2: General Mike Burgess made tonight under questioning from Shadow Home
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister James Patterson.
Speaker 4: We do have the ability to do security assessments which
Speaker 4: would result in king the request for an individual's passport
Speaker 4: to be temporarily canceled so they could not travel. The
Speaker 4: fact that an organization is listed is sending a message
Speaker 4: to society that's a listed terrorist organization and actually there
Speaker 4: are criminal penalties for engaging with or being a member
Speaker 4: of such group.
Speaker 2: Secondly, Mike Burgess said that Australia also has the power
Speaker 2: to temporarily prevent someone from returning to our country if
Speaker 2: the authorities believe they pose a threat.
Speaker 4: There are Australians will have a right to return, but
Speaker 4: there is temporary exclusion orders that can be applied in
Speaker 4: some circumstances that would control that return in a manner
Speaker 4: which was enabled the issue to be managed effectively by authorities,
Speaker 4: including ASIO.
Speaker 2: Again, that was thanks to the excellent questioning of James Patterson.
Speaker 2: The AZO boss then said he would be concerned if
Speaker 2: he learned that Australians were traveling overseas to participate in
Speaker 2: an event organized by a listed to organization, and in fact,
Speaker 2: he said it's unlawful to engage with such groups.
Speaker 4: As a security service, I'd be regardless of whether it's
Speaker 4: listed or not, if they were going to an event,
Speaker 4: whether of i'm extremists or known terrorists, we would be
Speaker 4: interested as Australia's security service.
Speaker 2: President of the Australian Jewish Association David Adler said it
Speaker 2: was alarming that their support for HESBELA in Australia. He
Speaker 2: said it represented a threat to security and social cohesion.
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to understand that HESBELA is one of the
Speaker 1: largest and most deadly terrorist organizations the world has seen,
Speaker 1: responsible for killing people in Europe, in Thailand, in South
Speaker 1: America and many many people in the Middle East. This
Speaker 1: man Noustralia has the blood of thousands on his heads.
Speaker 2: Now. I spoke to James Patterson about this is you
Speaker 2: and he said that no Australian citizen or visa holder
Speaker 2: should mourn the death of a terrorist like Hassan Nasralla,
Speaker 2: let alone attend his funeral. Here's what James Patterson told
Speaker 2: me today. He said Tony Burke should explain why these
Speaker 2: people were allowed to travel to an event organized by
Speaker 2: a listed terroist organization and whether he'll use the powers
Speaker 2: available to him to block their return to Australia. This
Speaker 2: is James Patterson. He said, if they are non citizens,
Speaker 2: their visas should be counseled without hesitation. If they are citizens,
Speaker 2: they should be immediately investigated for associating with Hesbelah, which
Speaker 2: is a serious terrorism offense under the Commonwealth Criminal quote.
Speaker 2: He said, we must send a strong message that there's
Speaker 2: no place for terrort sympathizers in Australia. Now, this is
Speaker 2: all deeply worrying. These are people who've been living in
Speaker 2: Australia who clearly have a strong level of emotional support
Speaker 2: for terrorist organization. Some of them, even the men spoke
Speaker 2: about crying at that funeral. Now this is all part
Speaker 2: of the reason why social cohesion in our country is
Speaker 2: now crumbling. Let's bring in now former Speaker of the
Speaker 2: House Bronwin Bishop and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes, and I
Speaker 2: might just get both of your reaction to that story
Speaker 2: before we get to the other topics. Broumwin, what do
Speaker 2: you think about this?
Speaker 5: I'm just appalled, I'm seriously appalled. I have to ask
Speaker 5: the question, does this mean that there is a husband
Speaker 5: ast cell here in Australia? Is that cell active in
Speaker 5: promoting anti Semitism? Is there criminality going on by these
Speaker 5: people in our country? Those things have to be investigated
Speaker 5: and have to be answered to see the the hate
Speaker 5: for our country and what they're doing means, are they
Speaker 5: duals citizens? Are they entitled to remain Australian citizens? There
Speaker 5: are so many questions, so that story answers and we
Speaker 5: need answers to them.
Speaker 2: Indeed, and Holly, the more I was looking into this today,
Speaker 2: you know I showed you that post where it said
Speaker 2: Ossie Crewe and that I was able to click on
Speaker 2: each of those people that was, you know, each of
Speaker 2: them again. Another Australian who was attending the funeral. It
Speaker 2: seems like this is just being No one's got control here.
Speaker 2: This has just been allowed to happen.
Speaker 6: It's just another example of how weak this government is
Speaker 6: and how they are so determined to walk both sides
Speaker 6: of the street and speak out of both sides of
Speaker 6: their mouth. They are absolutely letting the national security of
Speaker 6: this country down. Bromwin is right, we don't know if
Speaker 6: there's some sort of Hezbalas cell operating in Australia, and
Speaker 6: James Patterson is one hundred percent right when he says
Speaker 6: if they are non citizens, their visas should be immediately canceled.
Speaker 6: If they're dual citizens, we should look at the same
Speaker 6: and if they're Australian citizens, well they need to be
Speaker 6: spoken to when they get back to the country. It
Speaker 6: is absolutely abhorrent. It's extraordinary that they think putting it
Speaker 6: on social media and celebrating attending the funeral of a
Speaker 6: known terrorist is in.
Speaker 7: Any way acceptable.
Speaker 6: It's beyond comprehension what these people think they're capable of doing.
Speaker 2: I just worry that there's no appetite, or not much
Speaker 2: appetite in the Albanese government to actually crack down on terrorism.
Speaker 2: And we heard the Prime Minister and Q and A
Speaker 2: last night, and he mentioned neo Nazis, he mentioned fascists,
Speaker 2: but he can't actually mention radical Islam. He can't mention
Speaker 2: the HEZBLA. And I don't know why it's so difficult.
Speaker 7: Why are we rats? Why are we not?
Speaker 5: Why are we surprised? I mean the man since he
Speaker 5: was at university has been espousing pro Palestinian courses, knowing
Speaker 5: what what is entailed in those ideas even then, so
Speaker 5: there was just no fiber in his body that cares
Speaker 5: about the anti Semitic attitudes that are going on in
Speaker 5: this country. And the merely male utterances on Q and
Speaker 5: A yesterday were truly pic and good on to that mother,
Speaker 5: mother of your wars.
Speaker 2: Isn't she amazing that he's watching now? But if you are,
Speaker 2: we applaud you very strong. Against the Prime Minister and BO.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Q and A last night, Albanez he basically
Speaker 2: defended China's actions in the Tasmancy. He implied that all
Speaker 2: they'd done wrong was not giving Australia enough notice. This
Speaker 2: was extraordinary. Have a look.
Speaker 3: Australia conducts exercises in the South China Sea and in
Speaker 3: the region in international waters and international airspace and it
Speaker 3: would be better had China. So we're put in an
Speaker 3: official protest if you like that. More notice should have
Speaker 3: been given.
Speaker 2: So he was comparing it to the freedom of navigation
Speaker 2: exercises that Australia undertakes in the South China See. But Holly,
Speaker 2: you can't compare them. I mean, the South China See
Speaker 2: is a major international shipping route that needs to have
Speaker 2: you know, Australia, the US and others able to pass through.
Speaker 2: And you know this. It was just saying ships were
Speaker 2: just off Hobart, Yes, exactly, go on, holy.
Speaker 7: Yep, Yeah, they were just off Hobart.
Speaker 6: And the fact that we were alerted to them via
Speaker 6: a Virgin Airline pilot is extraordinary. The fact that we're
Speaker 6: relying on commercial airline pilots to let us know what's
Speaker 6: going on in our waters or just outside of our waters.
Speaker 6: I mean, these guys, whether it's the Australians or people
Speaker 6: that reside in Australia at at the hesbela funeral, whether
Speaker 6: it's you know, China's handsome boy merely mouthed response to
Speaker 6: China clearly flexing its muscle. National security under this government
Speaker 6: is coming a very very distant priority down the list
Speaker 6: of priorities. I don't know what their priorities are because
Speaker 6: they're not doing anything well, but certainly national security and
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, that is the fundamental
Speaker 6: role of the federal government is to keep its citizens safe.
Speaker 6: Yet this government seems incapable of standing up for Australians.
Speaker 7: I mean, you think what would have happened.
Speaker 6: There were forty nine flights forced to divert because of
Speaker 6: the live fire coming from those Chinese ships. You imagine
Speaker 6: if one of those flights had been shot down with
Speaker 6: Australian citizens.
Speaker 7: On board, Like I mean, it's terrifying. Thoughts, you don't
Speaker 7: want to think about it. It is terrifying. And our
Speaker 7: government's sitting on its hands.
Speaker 5: Well, of course they're sitting on its hands only because
Speaker 5: the handsome boy sees cow tows to the Communist Party
Speaker 5: of China. Then maybe the Communist Party of China will
Speaker 5: send messages to the diaspo here for the next election
Speaker 5: devote labor.
Speaker 2: So it's all about politic Yeah, I just want to
Speaker 2: show I get to this before we go, because I
Speaker 2: noticed both of you are in Orange tonight and Holly,
Speaker 2: you were watching the program last night when I spoke
Speaker 2: about how Australia was one of the only countries in
Speaker 2: the world that hadn't illuminated any buildings in Orange in
Speaker 2: honor of the Bibas Boys, and you took up that
Speaker 2: clause in a big way. In fact, you texted new
Speaker 2: southe was Premier Chris Mints.
Speaker 6: I did, and I haven't had a response from anyone
Speaker 6: in the New South Wales government. I spoke to Sydney
Speaker 6: Radio a couple of times today actually both their their
Speaker 6: morning show and also in Drive the soufternoon, and I
Speaker 6: understand that the radio station has been informed that they
Speaker 6: have no intention of lighting up the Opera House, which
Speaker 6: I think, I mean.
Speaker 7: To me, this just seems like the most obvious thing
Speaker 7: to do.
Speaker 6: Reclaim the Opera House, reclaim the steps, light it up Orange,
Speaker 6: show our solidarity with the rest of the world. From
Speaker 6: China to Miamma, to Brazil to New York, everywhere these buildings.
Speaker 7: Are bang lit up. But nowhere in Australia.
Speaker 6: Parliament House is lit up tonight and I couldn't even
Speaker 6: work out what it was.
Speaker 7: It was all these weird colored dots all over the.
Speaker 6: Front of Parliament House, I mean, the least they could
Speaker 6: do is light up Parliament House. But I did an
Speaker 6: need to a bit of Labor and honestly her response
Speaker 6: was appalling.
Speaker 5: The point is that I was making before is that
Speaker 5: this is entirely political. This is entirely about this election
Speaker 5: and all the attitudes of Burke and the Prime Minister.
Speaker 5: Everything we've talked about tonight are all geared at harnessing
Speaker 5: votes for the Labor Party.
Speaker 7: They're on the ropes, know it.
Speaker 5: And the cynicism and the lack of concern the integrity
Speaker 5: of our own nation to self serve is just disgusting.
Speaker 5: And if you go back and look at the character
Speaker 5: with those two people, you find why are we surprised?
Speaker 5: Whether you go back through mister Burke's sub diffusion in
Speaker 5: so many issues, he wants to be the next prime minister.
Speaker 5: He does, and he is doing everything he can from
Speaker 5: changing induspilations laws to get the votes of the unions
Speaker 5: when there's a new context. This is again flushing his credentials,
Speaker 5: saying look at me, with all these additional people going
Speaker 5: on the electoral role, look at me. Letting these people
Speaker 5: go after the funeral will get their votes back in
Speaker 5: everything he's doing is self serving and not in the
Speaker 5: national interest. Heaven help us if they get back.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Holly Hughes Broman, Bishop, thank you votes
Speaker 2: so much. Now still to come ahead of the funeral tomorrow,
Speaker 2: the heart breaking words of Ariel Bibis's friend farmer. Israeli
Speaker 2: government spokesman Elon Levy will join me after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back and let's bring you now. Former Israeli government
Speaker 2: spokesman and one of our favorite guests on the show,
Speaker 2: Elon Levy. Elon, great to see you as always.
Speaker 1: Look, it's going to be back sharing.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow is going to be a completely heartbreaking day Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Israel time. It's the funeral for Shiri, Ariel and baby Kafir.
Speaker 2: This will be a private ceremony, but it will be
Speaker 2: broadcast live. How are you feeling, how's all of Israel
Speaker 2: feeling ahead of this?
Speaker 8: Tomorrow is going to be one of the most heartbreaking
Speaker 8: moments in Israel's history, a moment we thought was never
Speaker 8: going to happen. That we are going to bury two
Speaker 8: children who were snatched from their beds, brutally executed by
Speaker 8: terrorists with their own bear hands, who then mutilated their
Speaker 8: bodies to make it look like they were killed in
Speaker 8: an Israeli air strike that was their cover story, and
Speaker 8: then released them in a macabre dead baby parade, inviting
Speaker 8: families from Gaza to watch, all set to music, sending
Speaker 8: them back with a woman who wasn't even their mother.
Speaker 8: This story has ignited anger in Israel, a reminder that
Speaker 8: we knew Hamas was evil, we didn't know how evil
Speaker 8: it really is. The Bibas children became a symbol of
Speaker 8: the barbarity of the October seventh massacre. What Hamas did,
Speaker 8: the abduction of children, holding them for a ransom. You know,
Speaker 8: today is a very sad day. Today the Lift Ship's
Speaker 8: family is burying or dead Lift Shits, an eighty three
Speaker 8: year old peace activist who was also snatched from his bed,
Speaker 8: murdered in captivity, and sent back in a grotesque spectacle.
Speaker 8: And tomorrow the eyes of the whole nation are going
Speaker 8: to be on this funeral, comforting poor Yard and Bebus,
Speaker 8: who survived five hundred days in captivity. Wondering how on
Speaker 8: earth someone recovers from such horrific trauma.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he will ever be able to
Speaker 2: move on from this trauma. Now it was really heartbreaking
Speaker 2: to see these comments. The mother of Ariel Bibas's friend
Speaker 2: yo Av, so five year old boy, has recounted how
Speaker 2: she broke the news to her son. Have a look
Speaker 2: at this, Arias.
Speaker 8: And Benasamesh Beni Berlin ex.
Speaker 2: Arielo medi so Elana. Again, this is something that even
Speaker 2: children are trying to process. I mean, the trauma in
Speaker 2: Israel runs deeper. A five year old boy trying to
Speaker 2: understand why his friends not coming home.
Speaker 8: Yeah, children have paid a horrible price for the October
Speaker 8: seventh massacre and the ongoing October seventh hostage crisis.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I interviewed just a while ago the wife of one
Speaker 8: of the hostages in Gaza. His name is Omri Muran.
Speaker 8: He's a father of two. He has been trapped in
Speaker 8: the dungeons of Gaza for over five hundred days, and
Speaker 8: he left behind two little children, two little daughters, who
Speaker 8: were held at gunpoint in their home in near Oz,
Speaker 8: only seven hundred meters away from the Gaza strip on
Speaker 8: October seventh. And I asked the mother, Elishai, what are
Speaker 8: you telling your children? How do you explain this to them?
Speaker 8: And she said that her daughter, who was only three
Speaker 8: at the time has flashbacks and memories of things that
Speaker 8: even she the mother, had managed to suppress and had
Speaker 8: forgotten about from the trauma of the moment that their
Speaker 8: father was abducted. And this is a reminder there is
Speaker 8: no such thing as humanitarian cases and other cases for
Speaker 8: bringing the hostages back. All of the hostages are humanitarian cases.
Speaker 8: Hostages like Alon Orhel who still has shrapnel in his
Speaker 8: eye and is going blind in a dark underground tunnel
Speaker 8: because he was abducted from a bomb shelter where hamas
Speaker 8: through rocket grenades five hundred days ago. And humanitarian cases
Speaker 8: like those who have left kids behind, and humanitarian cases
Speaker 8: of people who are just being starved and tortured.
Speaker 2: It's all utterly depraved and shocking. Elon, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Now. We'll be back at the normal time eight o'clock tomorrow,
Speaker 2: but stay tuned. Now we've got Danika di Giorgio in
Speaker 2: the man Cave filling in for Paul Marray.