Speaker 1: Okay, eighteen, it's it's Tiff, it's it's the dock, and
Speaker 1: it's a fatty harps a bloke in the middle on
Speaker 1: my screen. Anyway, we hope you're fucking great because it's
Speaker 1: how we are. I mean we we just every night,
Speaker 1: the three of us get together, well sometimes Denise unless
Speaker 1: she's got stuff on, but we say, dear, sweet baby Jesus,
Speaker 1: just look after the flock, Just protect them, hold them
Speaker 1: in your hand, just love them. And it's it's how
Speaker 1: we roll. Tip. We're all about love and compassion, aren't we.
Speaker 2: We are until you bang on way too close to
Speaker 2: the mic and I get upset with you, and then
Speaker 2: there's a little bit less than compassion.
Speaker 1: Okay, so just today, all through the podcast, I just
Speaker 1: want you to go too close when I get too close?
Speaker 3: Okay, too close?
Speaker 1: Am I too close? Now?
Speaker 2: As soon as we started, you settled on up there
Speaker 2: and blew the.
Speaker 1: Trying to start with a bit of warmth and a
Speaker 1: bit of love and.
Speaker 3: A feeling excitement. It's just the excitement and the enthusiasm
Speaker 3: because you love this so much, you just get in there.
Speaker 1: I dig it, I dig it. It's like people like, oh,
Speaker 1: you work so much I go this is the bit
Speaker 1: of the day that doesn't feel like work.
Speaker 3: Yes, and when you love it, because that's what I
Speaker 3: keep telling myself. You can perform at a very high
Speaker 3: level and do five, six hundred and eighty two things
Speaker 3: in a week.
Speaker 1: Can you? Though? But we really we did talk about
Speaker 1: over commitment before we went live, and you did put
Speaker 1: up your hand and say, yeah, that's me. But next
Speaker 1: year it'll be different, and Tiff laughed in your face.
Speaker 1: And when fucking everyone says that, but it's never any different.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can direct doctor Denise ti Yesterday's podcast on
Speaker 2: the psychology of enough.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can do that.
Speaker 3: I can listen to it on the plane I have
Speaker 3: though I chose this, I asked the universe for it,
Speaker 3: so there's no complaints. But there's a little bit of
Speaker 3: like I have seven more trips between now and the
Speaker 3: end of the year, two more to the US, another
Speaker 3: one to London, Hong Kong, Dublin and quick back here
Speaker 3: you know, Sydney. Gig Like it's a lot, but it's
Speaker 3: such an exciting time. People are pumped for this information.
Speaker 3: I love sharing it. There's such huge events, like since
Speaker 3: I've seen you so many amazing things have happened. I've
Speaker 3: got an invite to Westminster Palace.
Speaker 1: Did you know that.
Speaker 3: I was chatting to King Charles's doctor. I didn't know
Speaker 3: it was King Charles's doctor, which maybe is a good
Speaker 3: thing because I might have then been a weirdo because
Speaker 3: I would have been like, you know, like intimidated or
Speaker 3: feeling a little bit out of my my sir, But
Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was. I knew he was
Speaker 3: an important doctor. He was kind of running the event
Speaker 3: at the Palace with the ex advisor, the Surgeon General
Speaker 3: to Biden. Amazing people talking about changing healthcare. But there's
Speaker 3: all this exciting stuff going on in the world and
Speaker 3: I just want to be a part of all of it.
Speaker 3: But when you live in Australia, you are so far
Speaker 3: away from all the good shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah we are, but I mean there is some good
Speaker 1: shit here. But I get what you say saying but
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to bring the good shit back,
Speaker 1: to share it on the good ship Lollipop that is
Speaker 1: the you project, and download some of try and keep
Speaker 1: it user friendly with you because TIF and I are
Speaker 1: not the sharpest tools in the shed. Our audience are
Speaker 1: all journey I, but we're too dumb. Fuck, So if
Speaker 1: you can kind of keep it at our level, that'd
Speaker 1: be great. So what are people taking you or dragging
Speaker 1: you overseas? Four Like, is it just you know, like
Speaker 1: personalized guiding and medicine and all of that stuff broadly
Speaker 1: or is it specific topics where you're doing like a
Speaker 1: one off at a.
Speaker 3: Conference, a couple of different things. When I become a
Speaker 3: smarter business woman, it might be a one off and
Speaker 3: then I'm delivering the same thing and it's not such
Speaker 3: an effort at the moment. There's at are different things.
Speaker 3: But so what I was doing just before I opped
Speaker 3: on the podcast was actually an article for Men's Health.
Speaker 3: So I've published the study that that healthy aging study
Speaker 3: I did back in twenty twenty three, and we had
Speaker 3: some great results with three and six month interventions around
Speaker 3: whole food, diet, exercise. Paul Taylor was in there as
Speaker 3: the exercise physiologist and using his app to help people
Speaker 3: with the exercise part. So we had dietary stuff and
Speaker 3: supplements all these things, and we had great results. Testing
Speaker 3: biological age and I think you and I have talked
Speaker 3: about this on previous podcasts. So chronological age is your birthday,
Speaker 3: but you have this sort of cellular age biological age,
Speaker 3: which we now have testing for and in Australia at
Speaker 3: the end of twenty twenty two, the first tests were
Speaker 3: really launched here and I jumped on that one because
Speaker 3: I was asked by the company to do some education,
Speaker 3: but also because I love this area. But I hadn't
Speaker 3: used the test and was probably discussed on an earlier
Speaker 3: podcast because I know we talked about meed sort of
Speaker 3: doing this and moving into this area, But I said
Speaker 3: to the distributor, even though I know epigenetics and have
Speaker 3: a PhD in methylation, I've not used these tests. So
Speaker 3: within a very short amount of time with my ideas,
Speaker 3: Ding Ding Ding, I was like, oh, we'll get ten people,
Speaker 3: and then we'll get thirty people, and we ended up
Speaker 3: enrolling sixty people to do this test, put together an
Speaker 3: intervention and see if we can actually improve biological age,
Speaker 3: because I thought, well, I'm not going to one do
Speaker 3: education on it if I don't know it, but also
Speaker 3: two can we actually even change biological age in a
Speaker 3: certain timeframe, Like as a practitioner, do I think this
Speaker 3: is a test that's worthy to bring in and do
Speaker 3: with my patients because there's a lot of hype online,
Speaker 3: but you know, can we actually change improve biological age?
Speaker 3: And the results were great. It's taken me this long
Speaker 3: to get it out to the world. I only analyze
Speaker 3: the data last Christmas. But there's a huge interest in
Speaker 3: longevity at the moment. So there's that part that I'm presenting,
Speaker 3: which is exciting. But then also this personalized medicine because
Speaker 3: I do all the genetics and we're looking at differences
Speaker 3: and diets, personalized nutrition, and that is a huge which
Speaker 3: thing at the moment. So one of the conferences I
Speaker 3: went to, which was completely different, It was fascinating in Singapore,
Speaker 3: was a little bit more business orientated, and part of
Speaker 3: me loved it. Part of me was frustrated as hell
Speaker 3: because as the scientist, I like the science the mechanism.
Speaker 3: Because it was a bit more business ye sometimes that
Speaker 3: you didn't give you all the information. They just want
Speaker 3: to sell stuff to you in a sense. There was
Speaker 3: a guy talking about drinks with neurotropics, you know, how
Speaker 3: to make you smarter and concentrate.
Speaker 1: More, sure do it's one of my favorite topics and neutropics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was.
Speaker 3: There and you know, and me when I go to
Speaker 3: these conferences and me who ship tells everyone everything. I'm like,
Speaker 3: tell me the ingredients, tell me what's in it. But
Speaker 3: he sort of gave you half the story. But everyone
Speaker 3: kind of needs it. But anyway, the point of telling
Speaker 3: about that conference is they made it really clear the
Speaker 3: top three areas of health at the moment of personalized nutrition,
Speaker 3: slized medicine what I do, longevity, which is obviously the
Speaker 3: space we're moving into iological age, and then GLP one
Speaker 3: weight loss, which we all know. So they're the big
Speaker 3: three areas. And I work really closely in two of those.
Speaker 3: And have you know, with my background genetics epigenetics for
Speaker 3: twenty years, so all of a sudden, the knowledge I
Speaker 3: have and the things I'm doing a really interesting interesting.
Speaker 1: I just accidentally blocked Denise.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, unblocker, Denise, you've been muted. Perhaps has muted you.
Speaker 1: Denise. This is a thing, Denise, you just need to
Speaker 1: press the unmute thing. I didn't do it. Yes, stay tip,
Speaker 1: I promise.
Speaker 3: I now I can't believe you.
Speaker 1: I'd promise, I promise, and we're back. Sorry, everyone, I
Speaker 1: just accidentally muted the doc when she was so.
Speaker 3: He muted me and said you talk too fucking much,
Speaker 3: and I haven't had space to say anything.
Speaker 1: No, I did not say now, you're a fucking fibber dibber.
Speaker 1: You know you're way more interesting than me. Nobody including me,
Speaker 1: wants you to stop, So keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3: Well, actually you probably did me a favor because I'm
Speaker 3: not sure when you muted me, but I was trying
Speaker 3: to spit something out and I said it about four
Speaker 3: times and about it stumbling.
Speaker 2: That's at the point that I thought you muted yourself
Speaker 2: when that happened because you were struggling.
Speaker 3: No, I was trying to say, yeah, because when I
Speaker 3: do speak an event, then there's an interest in what
Speaker 3: I do. And I kept saying interesting, but I want
Speaker 3: to say they're interested, and then that leads to the
Speaker 3: next thing, the next thing. And a lot of these
Speaker 3: events I've been at have been very high caliber, as
Speaker 3: I said in London, and I've got Longevity Fest in
Speaker 3: the US, and I'm going over in October for another
Speaker 3: trip to the US as a thought leader with some
Speaker 3: amazing practitioners, so wonderful opportunities to talk about how we
Speaker 3: can move medicine healthcare forward. Moving to a proactive model.
Speaker 3: So lots of really fantastic conversations and I love being
Speaker 3: a part of it. I feel blessed. But it's a
Speaker 3: lot when you're a mom, and it's lots of flights
Speaker 3: and clinic and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: It is. It's funny because you talk about high performance
Speaker 1: and longevity and cognitive function and eutropics and all things
Speaker 1: optimal you but in the middle of talking about all
Speaker 1: of these things, all three of us who kind of
Speaker 1: work vaguely in that different areas but overall same, how
Speaker 1: do we think better, do better, be better, look, you know,
Speaker 1: be biologically more efficient and all of those things. It's
Speaker 1: funny you can run yourself down well ironically talking about
Speaker 1: how to be optimal to others. So I guess self management,
Speaker 1: self awareness and self regulation is important for you in
Speaker 1: terms of your own body and your own mind and
Speaker 1: your own energy.
Speaker 3: Huge, huge, and I have to take really good care
Speaker 3: of myself. And I think we had a really random
Speaker 3: chat on one of the last podcasts about how when
Speaker 3: I was in Jubai at the end of last year
Speaker 3: and I had what I thought was a bit of
Speaker 3: a hot flash with perimenopause, but then realized when I
Speaker 3: went through a menopause doctor, actually it was more likely
Speaker 3: to be an anxiety like a panic attack, because I
Speaker 3: said to her it was the end of the I've
Speaker 3: done multiple talks that come from Saudi tod Jubai. I've
Speaker 3: got this hot flash. I just couldn't get my breath.
Speaker 3: I was up there and she said, oh, that's that's
Speaker 3: actually a panic attack, that's common in perimenopause. You're like wonderful.
Speaker 3: So since then, I really have made a big effort
Speaker 3: to rest as much as possible. And I'm lucky I'm
Speaker 3: flying business class. I wouldn't go. I couldn't do it
Speaker 3: any other way. So I'm resting on the plane. But
Speaker 3: I'm very strict, actually probably stricter with sort of taking
Speaker 3: care of myself when I'm away than when I'm at home.
Speaker 3: So in the morning, I'm having my greens powders. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get out and walk see the sun straight away,
Speaker 3: kind of get that circadian rhythm sorted, going to bed
Speaker 3: to de decent now and not drinking alcohol. And even
Speaker 3: if there's been a few no's to even dinners, like
Speaker 3: sometimes they'll put on an event for me because I've
Speaker 3: come and I'm actually better now at just saying I'm
Speaker 3: really sorry, I'm really tired. I need to rest so
Speaker 3: that I can be at my best when I'm on
Speaker 3: stage tomorrow or whatever it may be. So, yeah, just
Speaker 3: being very conscious of mind energy output.
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes when you're talking about all these
Speaker 1: high level things like neutropics and you know, genetic optimization
Speaker 1: and all of which are important and fascinating and moving forward,
Speaker 1: going to be a big part of how we operate
Speaker 1: and optimize our health, I guess. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if we go down to level one, the basement, you know,
Speaker 1: where we're talking about sleep, we're talking about managing anxiety,
Speaker 1: we're talking about good nutrition, we're talking about moving your body,
Speaker 1: we're talking about lifting a few weights. I feel like
Speaker 1: some people want to bypass the basement stuff to get
Speaker 1: to level two. You know, it's like, you know what's
Speaker 1: great for cognitive function? Sleep? Yeah? Oh what neotropic? How
Speaker 1: about you fucking the sleep? Let's try that, because that
Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly the best thing you can do for your brain. Second,
Speaker 1: cut down on booze because that's fucking up your neurons.
Speaker 1: That's fucking up your brain. Thirdly, don't be dehydrated also
Speaker 1: makes you stupid, Like I forget the numbers, but you
Speaker 1: could probably tell us it's a small percentage of being
Speaker 1: dehydrated as she drinks some water that decreases our IQ
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And it's so funny
Speaker 1: when I talk about this in a corporate gig. I
Speaker 1: talk about the impact of consistent or regular dehydration on
Speaker 1: your body and tears drinking as well. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's two hundred people in a room,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety five of drinking water, and they
Speaker 1: don't they don't even laugh, They don't even realize that
Speaker 1: they're but they all recognize, or a lot of them
Speaker 1: recognize that they don't. They literally don't drink enough. And
Speaker 1: it makes you stupid because your brains whatever ninety percent water.
Speaker 3: It's so true, and the sleep part of it. I
Speaker 3: have my little routine now, and this is definitely not
Speaker 3: for every listener because we're all different and shod work
Speaker 3: with a practitioner. But my little routine that just works
Speaker 3: so beautifully for me is Elthenine or love ealthine. Chiff's nodding.
Speaker 3: Do you take lthene as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I take two and gabber for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a nice product that I picked up, which
Speaker 3: actually I think we can get here in Australia now,
Speaker 3: and it's got elthenine, gabba rodiola, a few other little
Speaker 3: things in it. But even just straight elthenine, it has
Speaker 3: to be at least two hundred milligrams, so I track.
Speaker 3: I just took my whoop off because you get too
Speaker 3: close to your microphone. I bang my hands and then
Speaker 3: it hits on there and I did that. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll take that off because my husband always lets me
Speaker 3: know how annoying it is when I bang the microphone
Speaker 3: and hit my hands on there and make noises. But
Speaker 3: when I have lthanine, I see that my deep sleep
Speaker 3: increases one hundred milligrams, which is often what they say
Speaker 3: you need. I don't have any change. I personally need
Speaker 3: two hundred milligrams. I know some people have more than that,
Speaker 3: but you know, definitely don't want to have more than
Speaker 3: the recommend a dose unless you're working with someone. But
Speaker 3: the lthenine magnesium glacinate and very low melatonin like one
Speaker 3: point five milligrams, And that's obviously for when I'm traveling
Speaker 3: in a different time zones, but that is just beautiful.
Speaker 3: I sleep really well. So now I've got my little
Speaker 3: thing where I know I can get and it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what time of day it is, if I can
Speaker 3: just be calm, because it's not just taking the supplements.
Speaker 3: If you've been jumping around and you're on the screen,
Speaker 3: that's obviously going to affect you. It is about sort
Speaker 3: of winding down doing the lifestyle stuff as well. But
Speaker 3: that little combination works, and maybe it's even a bit
Speaker 3: of a placebo, like I know all those things work,
Speaker 3: but it makes me think I'm going to sleep, because
Speaker 3: one of my biggest issues with all the international travel
Speaker 3: was that I wouldn't sleep. You're on the other side
Speaker 3: of the world and it's daytime in Australia and I'm
Speaker 3: not sleeping, and then I've got to get up and perform.
Speaker 3: Whereas now my sleep is much much better when I travel.
Speaker 3: But I also walk as much as I can. I
Speaker 3: try to make time if I can in the morning
Speaker 3: and seeing a bit of sunlight, like just getting out
Speaker 3: and moving my body as well. Once upon a time,
Speaker 3: I'd be so tired, I'd be like, oh, just stay
Speaker 3: in the hotel room. I'm just going to cheer. I'm
Speaker 3: going to unpack my bag, have a shower, and just hibernate.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, get it. If it's daytime, it's like
Speaker 3: get outside, like it doesn't matter how you feel, move
Speaker 3: my body and it's and I sleep so much better
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the protocol
Speaker 1: for the biological age evaluation? What does that look like?
Speaker 1: What is that? What are the bits and pieces.
Speaker 3: So it's from a dietary perspective, relatively high protein because
Speaker 3: there's the assumption that everyone's exercising at least thirty minutes
Speaker 3: a day, and there's three strength training sessions. So the
Speaker 3: protein was one point six to two grams of protein
Speaker 3: per kilo of ideal body weight, so it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: your total body weight. If you are ten kilos overweight,
Speaker 3: then a little bit less. So relatively high protein with
Speaker 3: the assumption that we are building some muscle, and we
Speaker 3: had people do DEXes and they did lose weight and
Speaker 3: build muscle. From a vegetable perspective, it's six serves of
Speaker 3: veggies a day for those listening, a serve of cooked vegetables.
Speaker 3: So let's say you got your sweet potato or your broccoli.
Speaker 3: It's half a cup. It's not very much at all.
Speaker 3: So six serves in total, and that is including two
Speaker 3: serves of chrysiferous chrysiferous things like broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts,
Speaker 3: so they've got things in them that really support what
Speaker 3: we call liver health and detoxification and things like that.
Speaker 3: Great for metabolizing hormones and stuff as well for women
Speaker 3: that need that so chrysiferous. Two serves of greens. One
Speaker 3: of the biggest questions is if I have broccoli, is
Speaker 3: that a serve of greens as well? The answer is no,
Speaker 3: you need to have two serves of greens, whether that's
Speaker 3: spinach or other leafy greens, and then two serves of
Speaker 3: colored so red, orange, yellow. All those what we call
Speaker 3: phitronutrients in the colors are amazing antioxidants. You know a
Speaker 3: lot of people supplement with all of these crazy things,
Speaker 3: but the truth is you get them in these colored vegetables.
Speaker 3: So the different colors, the different types of veggies, you
Speaker 3: get all these things to support your gut, all these
Speaker 3: natural antioxidants, all this beautiful fiber. So six serves of veggies,
Speaker 3: it's not a ketogenic diet. There is whole grains, fermented
Speaker 3: food if people can tolerate it, at least one server
Speaker 3: a day, as many and spices as you want, and
Speaker 3: a serve of nuts and seeds and two serves of fruit.
Speaker 3: So it's quite a lot of food. We had some
Speaker 3: people saying this is a lot of food. We had
Speaker 3: others who didn't think it was much because they were
Speaker 3: getting rid of all the carbs and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they felt like they needed to eat more. But
Speaker 3: it's definitely not a low food diet in the sense of, yeah,
Speaker 3: plenty of whole foods. That's the food component. We got
Speaker 3: the exercise component, the supplements, and again, of course work
Speaker 3: with a practitioner or at least speak to a pharmacist
Speaker 3: or someone before you jump in. I definitely don't recommend
Speaker 3: self prescribing. But we had a bee complex, and that
Speaker 3: was a methylated bee complex to support something called methylation,
Speaker 3: which is sort of all the epigenetic stuff there things
Speaker 3: sitting on the DNA, so methylated bees ubiquanol, which is
Speaker 3: an active form of co Q ten. This supports your mitochondria,
Speaker 3: your batteries. That was two hundred milligrams. So the research
Speaker 3: which most of the research shows that around one hundred
Speaker 3: milligrams to three hundred milligrams is really beneficial for cardiovascular health,
Speaker 3: you know, longevity, reducing oxidative stress. So I sort of
Speaker 3: went in the middle two hundred milligrams and then I
Speaker 3: had nigotinamide ribocide. So for those of your you'll have
Speaker 3: probably a ton of listeners that are sort of fitt
Speaker 3: into that almost biohackery lito, MNN and the NAD precursors.
Speaker 3: So the only one that's regulated and approved here in
Speaker 3: Australia so far with TGA out of all those different
Speaker 3: things that everyone sees online is called nicotimind riboside NR.
Speaker 3: Very low dose one hundred milligrams, So for those people
Speaker 3: that do look at online these supplements sometimes there's really
Speaker 3: high doses. Everything I did was sort of standard or
Speaker 3: lower dose, something called rerisperratrol, and then a bit of
Speaker 3: a complex that had NAC sulfur of fame which comes
Speaker 3: from the chrysiferous vegetables, and a few things to support
Speaker 3: liver health. So those five supplements, and if someone was
Speaker 3: not eating oily fish, so we recommended a couple of
Speaker 3: serves of oily fish, particularly small oily fish, sardines. If
Speaker 3: people like them, I know lots of people don't. I
Speaker 3: don't either. Unfortunately, do you eat sardines.
Speaker 1: Them, Tiff, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just because they're good for me. All the Amiga three
Speaker 3: because they're small fish, they don't accumulate all the environmental pollutants.
Speaker 3: They're not getting the mercury, they're not getting all the
Speaker 3: crap that we threw in the ocean. So they're really
Speaker 3: a good source of protein and amiga threes. But if
Speaker 3: people aren't eating small oily fish, we educated them on
Speaker 3: the importance of amiga threes. A lot of people aren't
Speaker 3: getting enough. And there's this issue and I think you've
Speaker 3: had many speakers on your podcast before great talking about
Speaker 3: that Amiga six Amiga three ratio, the importance of healthy,
Speaker 3: healthy fats, so reducing those you know, seed oils, Amiga
Speaker 3: six's improving your Amiga threes. And then vitamin D was
Speaker 3: not Stan did supplement, but we did do blood testing
Speaker 3: and if someone was deficient in iron or vitamin D,
Speaker 3: we would talk about that with them. So and then mindfulness,
Speaker 3: which is up your alley five to ten minutes of
Speaker 3: mindfulness a day. There were some guided meditations and mindfulness
Speaker 3: suggestions and apps provided and most of them did it.
Speaker 3: To be honest, this was not part of the protocol
Speaker 3: initially but got thrown in and most people loved it.
Speaker 3: Was cold showers.
Speaker 1: Wow, sounds like Paul Tyler thing. You know.
Speaker 3: It was a full tailor thing. It was not in
Speaker 3: the protocol protocol. And then because we had group sessions
Speaker 3: every fortnite to talk to people about other things as well,
Speaker 3: like reducing chemicals and toxins in your environment because that affects,
Speaker 3: you know, biological age, and so we had these are
Speaker 3: the sessions every fortnight, and he said the cold showers.
Speaker 3: I would say to the listeners that cold showers. Yes,
Speaker 3: there's quite a bit of evidence, and it sort of
Speaker 3: builds that that was rezilience and the kind of cohort
Speaker 3: we had in the study, most of them were able
Speaker 3: to tolerate that really well. But I also work with
Speaker 3: some people that have chronic fatigue or long term stress,
Speaker 3: and they're just a little bit more vulnerable, and I
Speaker 3: don't want to add any more stress straight away, so
Speaker 3: I am still a little bit cautious with the cold showers,
Speaker 3: although we have tons of great evidence for it.
Speaker 1: I think It's really important with all of this to
Speaker 1: point out that, you know, everything needs to be on
Speaker 1: an individual level. You need to see how your body
Speaker 1: responds to that. So you're right. For some people, cold showers,
Speaker 1: as Paul Taylor says, tikety boo amazing. For other people,
Speaker 1: it doesn't create an amazing result. Just like two people
Speaker 1: with the same condition take the same medicine and they
Speaker 1: get totally different outcomes because they don't live in the
Speaker 1: same body and they don't have the same responses to
Speaker 1: the same stimulize. So it's trying to figure out what's
Speaker 1: optimal for me ergo personalized medicine. But that even with
Speaker 1: something like where people talk about mindfulness and meditation, and
Speaker 1: quite rightly, as you said, this is up your ally.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate min mindfulness and meditation me personally, like
Speaker 1: me sitting on the floor or in a you know,
Speaker 1: just I don't work like that. But I realized that
Speaker 1: a lot of other people get great benefit from it.
Speaker 1: So my advice is, see if that works for you.
Speaker 1: Like I feel way more relaxed walking at the beach,
Speaker 1: walking at the beach, like listening to something awesome or
Speaker 1: listening to nothing. I feel ironically and almost counterintuitively more relaxed.
Speaker 1: Riding a motorbike, I feel, you know, just being obviously
Speaker 1: not in bumper a bumper traffic, but riding a motorbike,
Speaker 1: I feel really calm, I feel happy. My energy is great,
Speaker 1: I believe it, or not, very relaxed. So I think
Speaker 1: that whole thing of I do this, and this was
Speaker 1: the outcome, which is definitely not what you're saying. So
Speaker 1: therefore you you should do that. This will help your body. No,
Speaker 1: this might help your body. Let's see, let's see how
Speaker 1: you respond. Now, I will backtrack a little bit. That
Speaker 1: was a beautiful answer that you gave, but to the
Speaker 1: wrong question I asked you. I didn't ask you what
Speaker 1: your protocol was or what that I asked you about
Speaker 1: getting the biological age test done that protocol so.
Speaker 3: You wanted to know more? No, No, I mean to
Speaker 3: reduce their biological age.
Speaker 1: I know I would have got to that, but you
Speaker 1: shared it anyway, and it was beautiful. But just because
Speaker 1: here's what happens. Every time I talk about biological age,
Speaker 1: not versus but in contrast to chronological age, I have
Speaker 1: at least five people ten people come up and go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Where can I get it done? So
Speaker 1: what is the protocol to assess your biological age that
Speaker 1: you did or that you use?
Speaker 3: So I used a company. They're in America. They're called
Speaker 3: True Diagnostic and I get no you know, blacks of
Speaker 3: money from the test. But that was the test that
Speaker 3: was first distributed here in Australia. And it has some
Speaker 3: really great markers in it in that there are some
Speaker 3: things like what we call a duneat and pace that
Speaker 3: talks about your pace of aging. Some of the listeners
Speaker 3: might have heard about that, like big biohackers like Brian
Speaker 3: Johnson talks about how he slowed his age and so
Speaker 3: it has that in it. It has some other biological
Speaker 3: age assessments. One of them is called the intrinsic age
Speaker 3: which he's linked to a guy called Stephen Horvath, who
Speaker 3: by the way, I met in London and now linked
Speaker 3: with his clock foundation dropping more names as an additional
Speaker 3: look at you gu So he's really the father of
Speaker 3: the biological age testing. He brought out the first epigenetic
Speaker 3: or biological age clock that sort of looked was able
Speaker 3: to measure biological agental tissue. So there's one based on
Speaker 3: his algorithm The point is that the true diagnostic has
Speaker 3: lots of different biological age tests. Now it's not always
Speaker 3: easy to interpret because different companies, different tests that have
Speaker 3: come out over the last decade, assess biological age differently,
Speaker 3: So you need to be cautious if you are going
Speaker 3: to do a test, you want to be looking at
Speaker 3: the same test that's using the same you know, if
Speaker 3: they're looking at methylation, which is what I'm looking at
Speaker 3: changes on the DNA that are linked with aging that
Speaker 3: same test, because you can't compare one to the other.
Speaker 3: It's not like genetics, like if you've got MTHFR and
Speaker 3: you're a TT, doesn't matter what company you go to.
Speaker 3: That's what you got from your parents. Your genes will
Speaker 3: never change. But epigenetics, these biological age tests, different people
Speaker 3: are coming out with different ways to assess it. So
Speaker 3: there's one called PhenoAge which is very popular. It's been
Speaker 3: reproduced in multiple cohorts, lots of studies. It's more based
Speaker 3: on metabolic health blood markers CRP, which is inflammation, liver enzymes,
Speaker 3: things like that. So some are more around metabolic health
Speaker 3: linking with more d A damage. So there's quite a
Speaker 3: few on the market now. And I would look for
Speaker 3: a practitioner that does this kind of testing or or
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is.
Speaker 1: A appropriate and uh color is whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I have a calculator that you can plug your blood
Speaker 3: results in that matches the pheno age, which has been
Speaker 3: shown to be valid, and you can work it out yourself,
Speaker 3: like just having your full blood count and your liver
Speaker 3: enzymes and you're inflammatory markers. I will tell everyone the
Speaker 3: pheno age is great. I come out like a decade younger.
Speaker 3: I love it, of course, but there are other biological
Speaker 3: age tests where I don't come out so young, So
Speaker 3: some of them will always predict you a little bit higher.
Speaker 3: That's how that goes, and some of them always come
Speaker 3: out a bit younger. But if you come out older
Speaker 3: in the pheno age, you've got work to do. You
Speaker 3: are on the road for chronic illness or you probably
Speaker 3: already have one, or you've got what we call accelerated aging,
Speaker 3: and you're more likely to get these age related conditions.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot we know now. We're really the
Speaker 3: first generation to understand the molecular things that happen at
Speaker 3: a level cellular level with aging. And what I will
Speaker 3: say to everyone is you can undo this even if
Speaker 3: you're biologically older, like I came out the first time,
Speaker 3: coming off the back of having Graves disease and caring
Speaker 3: for parents and stresses. There's so much that you can
Speaker 3: do even in a short amount of time. But with
Speaker 3: the testing you can do it yourself with blood bio markers,
Speaker 3: or if you want epigenetic testing, you need to work
Speaker 3: with someone like me. Not that I'm seeing anyone in
Speaker 3: the moment, but little plug, I'm going to have a
Speaker 3: retreat next year where I'm going to work with a
Speaker 3: group of people around biological age. If people are interested
Speaker 3: in that reach out, we could do something together, Harps.
Speaker 1: We could could you know what I'm thinking? Yep, sure,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. I will make everyone breakfast and
Speaker 1: you can run the program. That's what? What the fuck
Speaker 1: am I going to do?
Speaker 3: What stand live and breathe Like reducing your cellular coological age?
Speaker 3: Here's what about?
Speaker 1: Here's what I want to buy logical age test that
Speaker 1: incorporates votwo MAC subvotwo MAC strength, balance, coordination, cognitive performance,
Speaker 1: bone density. Like want to I want to see if
Speaker 1: you give me ten people and let them walk twenty
Speaker 1: meters in front of me, just across I will tell
Speaker 1: you who's the oldest by function. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean with a level of accuracy without access to
Speaker 1: any of that data, because I mean, you look at
Speaker 1: some people. This is what I'm sharing everyone. It's bro science,
Speaker 1: it's opinion. And also everything that Denise is sharing is great,
Speaker 1: but it's not a personal recommendation. Of course, we need
Speaker 1: to say that as our disclaimer. But the information is
Speaker 1: she's at the pointy end of this stuff. So I
Speaker 1: trust her believer and value her opinion, but I want
Speaker 1: to know. In fact, we'll ask Tiff as well. So
Speaker 1: I think the average fifty year old in Australia, this
Speaker 1: is not an insult. I reckon the average chronologically fifty
Speaker 1: year old in Australia. I'm not talking about individuals, but
Speaker 1: across the board probably somewhere closer to fifty five biologically.
Speaker 3: I would agree one hundred percent, and there's actually data.
Speaker 1: For that, right. So that's like I look at people,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm not the bright shining light in
Speaker 1: the middle of this. I've been crooked the last month,
Speaker 1: so I'm just coming out of that now. But in
Speaker 1: general terms, you know, when I'm not crook. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: relatively fit, healthy, strong, don't smoke, don't drink, don't do
Speaker 1: all that shit. And none of that is because I'm
Speaker 1: gifted or lucky or special or got great genetics. It's
Speaker 1: just all about my behavior and my choices, right, Tiff,
Speaker 1: What do you think like with the average fifty year old?
Speaker 1: Because you work with bodies all the time you train,
Speaker 1: you probably work with more bodies than Denise and I
Speaker 1: on a practical physical level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that gives me a warped view because I
Speaker 2: was having to chat with someone recently and we were
Speaker 2: talking about age, and I'm like, oh, it doesn't surprise
Speaker 2: me when people are younger than I think they're younger
Speaker 2: than they are because a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: my clients are over sixty, but they're young.
Speaker 3: Like I hang out with you, you're sixty and you're young.
Speaker 2: Like people that are in my world, living my lifestyle
Speaker 2: that I'm hanging out with, even when they're twenty years older,
Speaker 2: They're hanging out like we're like a pack of twenty
Speaker 2: year olds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you reckon? The gap is about
Speaker 1: five years at that age to give or take.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we we obviously it's a little bit later
Speaker 3: in life, but we definitely have this once we're sort
Speaker 3: of aging, you know, seventies, we know there is this
Speaker 3: health gap, so people are generally aging at a faster
Speaker 3: rate and that last decade of life. In Australia, most
Speaker 3: Australians have at least one, if not more, chronic illnesses
Speaker 3: and are not aging well. They have a disability, they
Speaker 3: can't function, they need help. So you know, this starts
Speaker 3: in the fifties and sixties. They don't wake up at
Speaker 3: seventy not being able to move their body, having that pain,
Speaker 3: having that whatever it is, whether they're on their cholesterol
Speaker 3: medication or their blood pressure medication or you know, having
Speaker 3: issues with blood glucose, all that starts so much earlier.
Speaker 3: So I do think that a lot of people are biologically,
Speaker 3: at a cellular level older, and it's not their fault.
Speaker 3: You know, if someone is and you're struggling now and
Speaker 3: you're even sort of younger and you're having some of
Speaker 3: these issues, you've got a chronic illness. It's the world
Speaker 3: around us. We are and this is all the stuff
Speaker 3: that we say all the time. You know, we're sitting
Speaker 3: all the time. It's the amount of chemicals and toxins
Speaker 3: in the environment. The food is different. You know, we're
Speaker 3: on the screens. You know, we're not sleeping as well,
Speaker 3: we're not moving our bodies as much. Now, that's not
Speaker 3: the people that you're working with, Tiff, or that you're
Speaker 3: working with, Craig, and the people that come to see
Speaker 3: me are pretty much most of them are already in
Speaker 3: this world as well. But that's not the majority. There
Speaker 3: are a lot of people out there that are under
Speaker 3: day to day stress. They're feeling financial pressure, they're feeling
Speaker 3: family pressure, they just feel like, you know, they can't cope.
Speaker 3: There's some mental health I mean, you know this too, Creig.
Speaker 3: You know all the mental health disorders are increasing, chronic
Speaker 3: illnesses are increasing. Pain. So there's a majority of people
Speaker 3: that are struggling, and some of them, I don't think realize.
Speaker 3: Like you said, with sleep, how easy. Now it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean it's easy, because it's hard to change your habits,
Speaker 3: but how easy it can be to start to undo
Speaker 3: these things. And like you said, going back to what
Speaker 3: you said before, Craig, getting the foundations right and not
Speaker 3: just jumping to supplements or HRT. You know, we've discussed
Speaker 3: this in the podcast before. But I had a beautiful
Speaker 3: patient that I saw yesterday and who was you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about HRT whether she was going to
Speaker 3: go down that route and you know, we've decided not
Speaker 3: to for a while. We can do some more testing.
Speaker 3: But she even said she worked it out herself. You know,
Speaker 3: at the end of the consult, she's like, so, really,
Speaker 3: I probably should just change some of these things first,
Speaker 3: because I was talking to her about how much I
Speaker 3: know that I can control my symptoms when I'm taking
Speaker 3: care of myself. You know, that panic attack hasn't happened
Speaker 3: since because I'm making a lot of effort to ensure
Speaker 3: that that I'm taking care of myself. But when I'm
Speaker 3: under the high stress, when i haven't slept or I
Speaker 3: do go and drink alcohol, and then I'm hot and
Speaker 3: flustered and whatever, that's when the hot flashes, and that's
Speaker 3: when it all becomes a bit more difficult and I'm
Speaker 3: not feeling great. But she was having a lot of
Speaker 3: issues sleeping five to seven hours. I have a questionnaire.
Speaker 3: We've got to get this sorted. You know, she's having
Speaker 3: coffees in the afternoon and she's a fast caffeine metabolizer.
Speaker 3: But still you don't want to be having coffee, you know,
Speaker 3: particularly you know, after two and she's on her screen
Speaker 3: at night like so many people, and I said, how
Speaker 3: about before we think about progesterone and HRT for sleep.
Speaker 3: She came to that conclusion around I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of practitioners. We work together, but
Speaker 3: we're like, let's just do that for a few months.
Speaker 3: Let's just let's just move coffee. Maybe we could even
Speaker 3: try no coffee at all, or just you know, one
Speaker 3: coffee earlier in the day. Let's get off the screen
Speaker 3: at night and see if your sleep gets a little better.
Speaker 3: She's already exercising, eating relatively well, and then we can
Speaker 3: start to think about whether it's the hormones affecting your sleep.
Speaker 3: So you want to get all of these things right
Speaker 3: because they're the foundations ether thing's going to make you
Speaker 3: feel really good. There is no quick fix. There is
Speaker 3: no quick fix, whether it's a medication, a supplement, or
Speaker 3: a hormone. You have some people say I feel fantastic,
Speaker 3: but the reality is most of them have done the groundwork.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, love. All of that has cut
Speaker 1: only one thing that I object to. I don't really
Speaker 1: object to it because you actually early in there you went,
Speaker 1: it's not our fault, I reckon, it is our fault sometimes.
Speaker 1: Now that's not about blame or self loathing. It's about awareness.
Speaker 1: Because you said, oh, she drinks coffee in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: she's on score. Well, these are all choices, like nobody's
Speaker 1: putting a gun to your head saying, you know, be
Speaker 1: on your computer at ten o'clock at night or drink
Speaker 1: coffee at four pm. And so while we don't want
Speaker 1: to beat ourselves up, of course, and you're exactly right,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of variables like what's in the water,
Speaker 1: you know, what foods processed in and packaged in, and
Speaker 1: thalates and all the effect of you know, and the
Speaker 1: crime disruptors and all that shit, right, which, but then
Speaker 1: there's this stuff like I can sit down with anyone
Speaker 1: and say to them, be brave and honest in the moment,
Speaker 1: what are five things you're currently doing that are dumb?
Speaker 1: And if they'll go, oh, well, you know, I probably
Speaker 1: thirty percent more food than I need to. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: So that's great, thanks for being brave. There's no hate
Speaker 1: in that there's no judgment or ridicule. There's just honesty
Speaker 1: and self awareness, because we can't change what we're not
Speaker 1: aware of, or we can't change what we won't acknowledge,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's almost doing an audit
Speaker 1: on our own behaviors and outcomes and realizing, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said before we went live, I'm probably doing
Speaker 1: too much. And next year I'll change that a bit.
Speaker 1: You may, you may not. I do the same, tip
Speaker 1: does the same. I still do dumb shit. I've changed
Speaker 1: a lot of shit to do that is now more
Speaker 1: intelligent and less stupid. But I think there's got to
Speaker 1: be a part in this because we like, what are
Speaker 1: we talking about. We're talking about change. We're talking about physical, mental, emotional,
Speaker 1: behavioral change. We're talking about the results that we're producing
Speaker 1: with our body and the results that we're producing in
Speaker 1: the world. And then in order to do better, we
Speaker 1: need to think better and choose better and behave better.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes before we go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole of which drug or which supplement or which you know,
Speaker 1: which CrossFit workout should we do? All of those things matter,
Speaker 1: But I think sometimes we've got to go like way
Speaker 1: way back even below the base level we're talking about
Speaker 1: it. It's like, what's the thing that I do that's stupid.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I eat on autopilot. I don't think or
Speaker 1: you know, I have five to seven drinks a day.
Speaker 1: And again this is just honesty and awareness. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just you know, you can't go get a new body,
Speaker 1: bro like that body that's the one. You can't fuck it.
Speaker 1: You can fuck up a lot of things and replace it,
Speaker 1: you know, but you can't replace your body. And once
Speaker 1: it's fucked, I mean fact, it's fucked. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always very much about we can't change you know, time,
Speaker 1: We can't change chronological aging at all, we have no
Speaker 1: influence on it. But we can change the way that
Speaker 1: we age. We can change our physiology and biology over
Speaker 1: the you know, that's the variable amidst the consistency of
Speaker 1: you know, day to day time. And so it's trying
Speaker 1: to I think, you know, with what Tiff does, with
Speaker 1: what you do, with what I do. It's like I
Speaker 1: say to audiences all the time, you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of it, I go, well, look, I just shared
Speaker 1: with you ninety minutes of theory, ideas, strategies, science. You know,
Speaker 1: bit of data, you know, a bit of silliness, some stories.
Speaker 1: Who's more motivated than you were an hour ago or
Speaker 1: an hour and a half. Every hand goes up and
Speaker 1: I go, great, it's going to pass. What happens then, like,
Speaker 1: what can you do when the theory, the ideas, the podcast,
Speaker 1: the lecture, the inspiration has passed? Because ultimately what matters
Speaker 1: is not what we know. What we know really matters,
Speaker 1: but what matters most is what we do with that
Speaker 1: knowledge and how we practically and consistently apply that knowledge
Speaker 1: to create whatever is close to our optimal result. And
Speaker 1: so how many people know they should exercise? Fucking everyone?
Speaker 1: How many do? Hardly anyone? Right, It's not a knowledge issue,
Speaker 1: a lot of it. How many people know that eating
Speaker 1: junk food is bad? I'd say nearly everyone in Australia,
Speaker 1: you know. But nonetheless, people who are already unhealthy, who
Speaker 1: already don't like the way they look or feel, will
Speaker 1: buy McDonald's tonight. I'm not judging that. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they're bad people. I'm saying these are two facts that exist. One,
Speaker 1: they're in an unhealthy body. They want to be healthy too.
Speaker 1: On the same day, day by junk, you know, and
Speaker 1: so this is the at some stage there has to
Speaker 1: be an internal, psychological and emotional revolution. So people like
Speaker 1: I'm not that person anymore because they can you know,
Speaker 1: you can give them a day of your time. You
Speaker 1: can give them twenty grand worth of you. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's under selling you, but I wish. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, what matters is what they do
Speaker 1: with what they know, and what they can keep doing
Speaker 1: over time.
Speaker 3: Right, I think you are right in the sense when
Speaker 3: I say it's not their fault. Yes, they're making decisions,
Speaker 3: but I think some people genuinely there are people in
Speaker 3: our world that really know the things they should be doing.
Speaker 3: But there are some people that actually just go, I
Speaker 3: really had no idea that looking at my phone really
Speaker 3: had such a massive impact on my sleepers. And they'll
Speaker 3: come back and go, wow, I haven't got my phone
Speaker 3: in my room and I really am sleeping better. It's
Speaker 3: like they're shocked, but they actually didn't. They really didn't
Speaker 3: think it was having such a big impact. Or as
Speaker 3: if you start taking out some of these you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's natural skin care products or just changing the
Speaker 3: food just a little bit, you know, small changes and
Speaker 3: they're like, Wow, I'm actually not getting bloating anymore. I'm
Speaker 3: not getting that brain fog just by changing a few foods.
Speaker 3: And I think some people are genuinely shocked because even
Speaker 3: though they kind of know, they don't really believe that
Speaker 3: these changes are going to have such a big impact.
Speaker 3: But for those that do, it's great because sometimes that
Speaker 3: keeps the momentum going. But the reality is, as you
Speaker 3: would know, even once the momentum is going, often people
Speaker 3: fall back into habits, and I think it comes down
Speaker 3: to stress fatigue, you know, dopamine people just looking for
Speaker 3: that dopamine hit. Are you doing stuff with dopamine and
Speaker 3: neurotransmitters in your PhD?
Speaker 1: Not particularly, No, but we talk a fair bit about
Speaker 1: pressing the dopamine button on this show, you know, for
Speaker 1: lots of different reasons, and that, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest challenges I talk about with people is being
Speaker 1: able to delay gratification. You know, is where you know
Speaker 1: you could just push that button and in five seconds
Speaker 1: or five minutes, you're going to feel fucking great. If
Speaker 1: you don't push that button, you're not going to feel great,
Speaker 1: and you're also not going to get any reward. Back
Speaker 1: anytime soon, because sometimes you've got to go through months
Speaker 1: of not pushing the button to start to see and
Speaker 1: experience the real reward, you know, to get to that
Speaker 1: long term you know whatever emotional, psychological, physiological state. But
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Like I said, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think what you say and what I'm saying those
Speaker 1: things are both true and they both coexist, you know,
Speaker 1: they can exist side by side where we go. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course there's lots of shit people don't know, but
Speaker 1: there's also shit people do know, and people do know
Speaker 1: shit that they do know this is bad and then
Speaker 1: nonetheless do it. And then there's people who don't know
Speaker 1: that how toxic or potentially damaging that thing is, and
Speaker 1: they you know, they can't operationalize what they don't know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, And that's why I mean literally, this
Speaker 1: is why we have this discussion, just to open the
Speaker 1: door for people or just to get people thinking or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 3: My first corporate gig. I guess you would call it.
Speaker 3: I don't do sort of what you do. I'm most
Speaker 3: generally medical conferences and speaking to practitioners most of the time,
Speaker 3: like you know, whether they're doctors or you know, health
Speaker 3: people in that health space, and I one of my clients.
Speaker 3: I had no idea. She has this beautiful business with
Speaker 3: seven hundred staff, like it's her business she's created, had
Speaker 3: no idea. She just sold it to someone in Japan.
Speaker 3: But she said, can you come along and talk? I'm
Speaker 3: having this sort of women in business HR things. She
Speaker 3: had all these really high performing women and it was
Speaker 3: so much fun. There was no slides, there was no
Speaker 3: prepared talk.
Speaker 1: What are you yeah?
Speaker 3: And she had some questions. We didn't even go through
Speaker 3: her questions because it ended up just being that, you know,
Speaker 3: the thirty women that were at the event just ask
Speaker 3: questions randomly. But it was such a great experience to
Speaker 3: just sit there and be able to talk to these
Speaker 3: people about health. You know, high performing, high functioning people
Speaker 3: that are dealing with day to day high level stress
Speaker 3: and trying to be a mum and trying to do
Speaker 3: this and trying to be healthy, but the crap that
Speaker 3: they see online and almost I felt like I was
Speaker 3: just doing mythbusting to be honest, like it was just
Speaker 3: what about this? I was like hmm and no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't think you need that
Speaker 3: and let's come back to basics. But there was a
Speaker 3: really interesting question at the end of it. And actually
Speaker 3: I think she was quite happy with me. She goes,
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to hate you. She was
Speaker 3: really honest, she goes, I thought you were going to
Speaker 3: come in and say you got to sleep this many
Speaker 3: out nine hours every night, and you can't drink alcohol,
Speaker 3: and you've got to do this, and because of course
Speaker 3: we know these things help, but I'm realistic about socializing
Speaker 3: and connecting and think, you know, eighty twenty et cetera.
Speaker 3: But in the end, she just said, can you just
Speaker 3: tell me one thing? She said, I loved everything you said,
Speaker 3: but if there was just one one thing I had
Speaker 3: to do, Like if I just took she said, You've
Speaker 3: talked about you know, so many things, and I don't
Speaker 3: have one thing. But what just was flashing in my mind.
Speaker 3: It almost felt like it was too simple to say,
Speaker 3: but it just kept flashing, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what's in my mind. I said,
Speaker 3: go for a walk every day, I said, just go
Speaker 3: for a walk, I said, and just pay attention to
Speaker 3: your thoughts, pay attention to how your body feels, and
Speaker 3: a bit like what you were talking about before, Harps.
Speaker 3: You don't like meditating. I don't either, but often I
Speaker 3: think meditating something that I've recently learned, and whether it's
Speaker 3: true or not, but this is what I've been told
Speaker 3: and I love it because I don't think I'm good
Speaker 3: at meditating. Is that meditating is just being okay with
Speaker 3: your thoughts. It's actually just being okay, we're sitting with
Speaker 3: who you are. It's not about going like blank, which
Speaker 3: of course I don't do, ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 3: It's just being okay with what's popping up and paying
Speaker 3: attention to all the things that are going on in
Speaker 3: your mind and do you need to deal with that
Speaker 3: or do you just push that aside? It's not important.
Speaker 3: And I think with walking with me, it is almost
Speaker 3: a little bit of form of meditation, and that sort
Speaker 3: of grounds you and then just from that little moment,
Speaker 3: then you're more likely to maybe make a better food
Speaker 3: choice or drink water instead of something else, and it
Speaker 3: leads into something else. And there is no right or
Speaker 3: wrong one thing. But I think they were all a
Speaker 3: little bit shocked. They were happy, but how simple. You know,
Speaker 3: we'd got into genetics and all the cool testing I do,
Speaker 3: and then they're like, what's the one thing like And
Speaker 3: it's just for a walk every day and pay attention
Speaker 3: to your thoughts, you know. And it is just coming
Speaker 3: back to those basics and also working out what works
Speaker 3: for you. Because even though I said it's a walk,
Speaker 3: you know, for you Harps, it's a ride on the motorbike.
Speaker 3: Don't try to force yourself to do something because someone
Speaker 3: else said it's the right thing to do. Because I'll
Speaker 3: give you a recent example, as in literally last week,
Speaker 3: I'd gone from one event to the other. There were
Speaker 3: some issues in Sea, so I didn't arrive in Melbourne
Speaker 3: till after midnight. I was speaking the next day. I
Speaker 3: just and I had come from sort of three events
Speaker 3: in a row, and I just felt really on edge.
Speaker 3: I had a great presentation, I saw all these wonderful colleagues.
Speaker 3: Nothing about the event was out of you know, I
Speaker 3: loved it. But I just came back to the hotel
Speaker 3: room and I just felt so on edge and I
Speaker 3: was like, I need to calm the fuck down. I've
Speaker 3: just gone from playing to events I've been on. I've
Speaker 3: been on. I was like, I'm gonna have a bath
Speaker 3: and listen to meditation. I could not sit still in
Speaker 3: the bath. I was like, I was getting up here
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting there and I'm like lay down and relaxed, Denise,
Speaker 3: like switch off, and what I should have done. I
Speaker 3: needed to move my body. I needed to do something
Speaker 3: because I don't love just sitting there and doing meditation.
Speaker 3: But it's so funny even me, I went, I need
Speaker 3: to calm down. You've just been on I want to
Speaker 3: sleep well tonight. I'm going to have a bath. There
Speaker 3: was this spa bath in the room, but I didn't
Speaker 3: enjoy it, and afterwards I was like, I should have
Speaker 3: just done a few yoga poses. I should have gone
Speaker 3: for a walk, Like I needed to move my body
Speaker 3: and get all that in it. You through me. So
Speaker 3: it's knowing what works for you and not just what
Speaker 3: you've read online or what someone else is saying.
Speaker 1: It's like the idea of it. It's better than the
Speaker 1: reality of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in the bath, going, why aren't I relaxed?
Speaker 3: Why can't I just lay yet?
Speaker 1: It's like relax right now, you fucking relax.
Speaker 3: Now You've got meditation on your inner bathroom in a
Speaker 3: hotel room by yourself. Everything's right now, Come on, Denise,
Speaker 3: come on now.
Speaker 1: We know you're busy. We appreciate you. You're amazing. You've
Speaker 1: got a million things on. So we'll let you go,
Speaker 1: but tell people how to connect with you and read
Speaker 1: you and hear you, and.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so you can if you want to connect.
Speaker 3: It's probably easier to go to the website's bit of
Speaker 3: an outdated website, but there's a page there and you
Speaker 3: can reach out. If you've got any questions, that'll go
Speaker 3: to my assistance. She'll let me know if you I'm
Speaker 3: not taking on any patients at the moment. We're just
Speaker 3: crazy till the end of the year. But next year
Speaker 3: we are looking at doing these retreats and the first.
Speaker 1: HAPs will be to be there apparently.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I've got a couple that have sold
Speaker 3: out already, so we could talk about some biological age
Speaker 3: ones with harps. So if you're interested in that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, let me know. And yeah, if you've got
Speaker 3: any questions otherwise, I will talk to you here next
Speaker 3: time that I pop up on the You Project.
Speaker 1: Perfect love you, guts, thank you so much. I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy the netball. Denise is off to I'll referee.
Speaker 3: Do we call it umpie umpire netball?
Speaker 1: I should know that I used to work in the
Speaker 1: netty well with the girls. All Right, we'll chat off air,
Speaker 1: but for the mini. Thanks thanks TIV, Thanks TIV.
Speaker 2: Thanks as you get an F for mic technique, You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Thanks everyone? Why why what did I do?
Speaker 3: Get off it?
Speaker 1: I told you to tell me what I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Leaning on it.
Speaker 3: He's leaning on it, Denise.
Speaker 1: I'm literally two inches away from it.
Speaker 3: That's the actually sounds okay to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Denise.
Speaker 2: It's so gainy, So thank you, Denise. I feel I'm
Speaker 2: fighting with both of you.
Speaker 3: I feel like Craig sounds clear and you sound really
Speaker 3: quiet to me.
Speaker 1: Oh, praise the Lord. Thank you. Come on. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what's coming through for me. Everyone. Yeah, Tip one's feedback
Speaker 1: till you give her feedback. See what happens. See everyone.
Speaker 3: Hi,