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Speaker 1: something like where people talk about mindfulness and meditation, and

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Speaker 1: quite rightly, as you said, this is up your ally.

432
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Speaker 1: I fucking hate min mindfulness and meditation me personally, like

433
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Speaker 1: me sitting on the floor or in a you know,

434
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Speaker 1: just I don't work like that. But I realized that

435
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Speaker 1: a lot of other people get great benefit from it.

436
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Speaker 1: So my advice is, see if that works for you.

437
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: Like I feel way more relaxed walking at the beach,

438
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: walking at the beach, like listening to something awesome or

439
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: listening to nothing. I feel ironically and almost counterintuitively more relaxed.

440
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Riding a motorbike, I feel, you know, just being obviously

441
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Speaker 1: not in bumper a bumper traffic, but riding a motorbike,

442
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: I feel really calm, I feel happy. My energy is great,

443
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: I believe it, or not, very relaxed. So I think

444
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Speaker 1: that whole thing of I do this, and this was

445
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Speaker 1: the outcome, which is definitely not what you're saying. So

446
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Speaker 1: therefore you you should do that. This will help your body. No,

447
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: this might help your body. Let's see, let's see how

448
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: you respond. Now, I will backtrack a little bit. That

449
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: was a beautiful answer that you gave, but to the

450
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: wrong question I asked you. I didn't ask you what

451
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: your protocol was or what that I asked you about

452
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: getting the biological age test done that protocol so.

453
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Speaker 3: You wanted to know more? No, No, I mean to

454
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Speaker 3: reduce their biological age.

455
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Speaker 1: I know I would have got to that, but you

456
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: shared it anyway, and it was beautiful. But just because

457
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Speaker 1: here's what happens. Every time I talk about biological age,

458
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Speaker 1: not versus but in contrast to chronological age, I have

459
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Speaker 1: at least five people ten people come up and go, oh,

460
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Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Where can I get it done? So

461
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Speaker 1: what is the protocol to assess your biological age that

462
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Speaker 1: you did or that you use?

463
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Speaker 3: So I used a company. They're in America. They're called

464
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: True Diagnostic and I get no you know, blacks of

465
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: money from the test. But that was the test that

466
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: was first distributed here in Australia. And it has some

467
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: really great markers in it in that there are some

468
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Speaker 3: things like what we call a duneat and pace that

469
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: talks about your pace of aging. Some of the listeners

470
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Speaker 3: might have heard about that, like big biohackers like Brian

471
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: Johnson talks about how he slowed his age and so

472
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: it has that in it. It has some other biological

473
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Speaker 3: age assessments. One of them is called the intrinsic age

474
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Speaker 3: which he's linked to a guy called Stephen Horvath, who

475
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Speaker 3: by the way, I met in London and now linked

476
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Speaker 3: with his clock foundation dropping more names as an additional

477
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Speaker 3: look at you gu So he's really the father of

478
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Speaker 3: the biological age testing. He brought out the first epigenetic

479
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: or biological age clock that sort of looked was able

480
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Speaker 3: to measure biological agental tissue. So there's one based on

481
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Speaker 3: his algorithm The point is that the true diagnostic has

482
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Speaker 3: lots of different biological age tests. Now it's not always

483
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: easy to interpret because different companies, different tests that have

484
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Speaker 3: come out over the last decade, assess biological age differently,

485
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Speaker 3: So you need to be cautious if you are going

486
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Speaker 3: to do a test, you want to be looking at

487
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: the same test that's using the same you know, if

488
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Speaker 3: they're looking at methylation, which is what I'm looking at

489
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: changes on the DNA that are linked with aging that

490
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: same test, because you can't compare one to the other.

491
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Speaker 3: It's not like genetics, like if you've got MTHFR and

492
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: you're a TT, doesn't matter what company you go to.

493
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: That's what you got from your parents. Your genes will

494
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: never change. But epigenetics, these biological age tests, different people

495
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 3: are coming out with different ways to assess it. So

496
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Speaker 3: there's one called PhenoAge which is very popular. It's been

497
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Speaker 3: reproduced in multiple cohorts, lots of studies. It's more based

498
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Speaker 3: on metabolic health blood markers CRP, which is inflammation, liver enzymes,

499
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: things like that. So some are more around metabolic health

500
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: linking with more d A damage. So there's quite a

501
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: few on the market now. And I would look for

502
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: a practitioner that does this kind of testing or or

503
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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is.

504
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Speaker 1: A appropriate and uh color is whatever it is.

505
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Speaker 3: I have a calculator that you can plug your blood

506
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Speaker 3: results in that matches the pheno age, which has been

507
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: shown to be valid, and you can work it out yourself,

508
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: like just having your full blood count and your liver

509
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: enzymes and you're inflammatory markers. I will tell everyone the

510
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: pheno age is great. I come out like a decade younger.

511
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: I love it, of course, but there are other biological

512
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: age tests where I don't come out so young, So

513
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: some of them will always predict you a little bit higher.

514
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 3: That's how that goes, and some of them always come

515
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Speaker 3: out a bit younger. But if you come out older

516
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 3: in the pheno age, you've got work to do. You

517
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: are on the road for chronic illness or you probably

518
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: already have one, or you've got what we call accelerated aging,

519
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: and you're more likely to get these age related conditions.

520
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: So there's a lot we know now. We're really the

521
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 3: first generation to understand the molecular things that happen at

522
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 3: a level cellular level with aging. And what I will

523
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: say to everyone is you can undo this even if

524
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: you're biologically older, like I came out the first time,

525
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: coming off the back of having Graves disease and caring

526
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: for parents and stresses. There's so much that you can

527
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: do even in a short amount of time. But with

528
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: the testing you can do it yourself with blood bio markers,

529
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: or if you want epigenetic testing, you need to work

530
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Speaker 3: with someone like me. Not that I'm seeing anyone in

531
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Speaker 3: the moment, but little plug, I'm going to have a

532
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: retreat next year where I'm going to work with a

533
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Speaker 3: group of people around biological age. If people are interested

534
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: in that reach out, we could do something together, Harps.

535
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Speaker 1: We could could you know what I'm thinking? Yep, sure,

536
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. I will make everyone breakfast and

537
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: you can run the program. That's what? What the fuck

538
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: am I going to do?

539
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: What stand live and breathe Like reducing your cellular coological age?

540
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: Here's what about?

541
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Speaker 1: Here's what I want to buy logical age test that

542
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Speaker 1: incorporates votwo MAC subvotwo MAC strength, balance, coordination, cognitive performance,

543
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: bone density. Like want to I want to see if

544
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Speaker 1: you give me ten people and let them walk twenty

545
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: meters in front of me, just across I will tell

546
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Speaker 1: you who's the oldest by function. Do you know what

547
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean with a level of accuracy without access to

548
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: any of that data, because I mean, you look at

549
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: some people. This is what I'm sharing everyone. It's bro science,

550
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: it's opinion. And also everything that Denise is sharing is great,

551
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: but it's not a personal recommendation. Of course, we need

552
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: to say that as our disclaimer. But the information is

553
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: she's at the pointy end of this stuff. So I

554
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: trust her believer and value her opinion, but I want

555
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: to know. In fact, we'll ask Tiff as well. So

556
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Speaker 1: I think the average fifty year old in Australia, this

557
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Speaker 1: is not an insult. I reckon the average chronologically fifty

558
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: year old in Australia. I'm not talking about individuals, but

559
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: across the board probably somewhere closer to fifty five biologically.

560
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: I would agree one hundred percent, and there's actually data.

561
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Speaker 1: For that, right. So that's like I look at people,

562
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm not the bright shining light in

563
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: the middle of this. I've been crooked the last month,

564
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: so I'm just coming out of that now. But in

565
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: general terms, you know, when I'm not crook. I'm you know,

566
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: relatively fit, healthy, strong, don't smoke, don't drink, don't do

567
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: all that shit. And none of that is because I'm

568
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: gifted or lucky or special or got great genetics. It's

569
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: just all about my behavior and my choices, right, Tiff,

570
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: What do you think like with the average fifty year old?

571
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: Because you work with bodies all the time you train,

572
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: you probably work with more bodies than Denise and I

573
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: on a practical physical level.

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that gives me a warped view because I

575
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: was having to chat with someone recently and we were

576
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: talking about age, and I'm like, oh, it doesn't surprise

577
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: me when people are younger than I think they're younger

578
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: than they are because a lot of a lot of

579
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: my clients are over sixty, but they're young.

580
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: Like I hang out with you, you're sixty and you're young.

581
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: Like people that are in my world, living my lifestyle

582
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: that I'm hanging out with, even when they're twenty years older,

583
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: They're hanging out like we're like a pack of twenty

584
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Speaker 2: year olds.

585
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you reckon? The gap is about

586
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: five years at that age to give or take.

587
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we we obviously it's a little bit later

588
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: in life, but we definitely have this once we're sort

589
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: of aging, you know, seventies, we know there is this

590
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: health gap, so people are generally aging at a faster

591
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: rate and that last decade of life. In Australia, most

592
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: Australians have at least one, if not more, chronic illnesses

593
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: and are not aging well. They have a disability, they

594
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: can't function, they need help. So you know, this starts

595
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: in the fifties and sixties. They don't wake up at

596
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: seventy not being able to move their body, having that pain,

597
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: having that whatever it is, whether they're on their cholesterol

598
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: medication or their blood pressure medication or you know, having

599
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: issues with blood glucose, all that starts so much earlier.

600
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: So I do think that a lot of people are biologically,

601
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: at a cellular level older, and it's not their fault.

602
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: You know, if someone is and you're struggling now and

603
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: you're even sort of younger and you're having some of

604
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: these issues, you've got a chronic illness. It's the world

605
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: around us. We are and this is all the stuff

606
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: that we say all the time. You know, we're sitting

607
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: all the time. It's the amount of chemicals and toxins

608
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: in the environment. The food is different. You know, we're

609
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: on the screens. You know, we're not sleeping as well,

610
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: we're not moving our bodies as much. Now, that's not

611
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: the people that you're working with, Tiff, or that you're

612
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: working with, Craig, and the people that come to see

613
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: me are pretty much most of them are already in

614
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: this world as well. But that's not the majority. There

615
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: are a lot of people out there that are under

616
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: day to day stress. They're feeling financial pressure, they're feeling

617
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: family pressure, they just feel like, you know, they can't cope.

618
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: There's some mental health I mean, you know this too, Creig.

619
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Speaker 3: You know all the mental health disorders are increasing, chronic

620
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: illnesses are increasing. Pain. So there's a majority of people

621
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: that are struggling, and some of them, I don't think realize.

622
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: Like you said, with sleep, how easy. Now it doesn't

623
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: mean it's easy, because it's hard to change your habits,

624
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: but how easy it can be to start to undo

625
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: these things. And like you said, going back to what

626
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: you said before, Craig, getting the foundations right and not

627
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: just jumping to supplements or HRT. You know, we've discussed

628
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: this in the podcast before. But I had a beautiful

629
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Speaker 3: patient that I saw yesterday and who was you know,

630
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: we were talking about HRT whether she was going to

631
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Speaker 3: go down that route and you know, we've decided not

632
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: to for a while. We can do some more testing.

633
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: But she even said she worked it out herself. You know,

634
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 3: at the end of the consult, she's like, so, really,

635
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: I probably should just change some of these things first,

636
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: because I was talking to her about how much I

637
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: know that I can control my symptoms when I'm taking

638
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: care of myself. You know, that panic attack hasn't happened

639
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: since because I'm making a lot of effort to ensure

640
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: that that I'm taking care of myself. But when I'm

641
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: under the high stress, when i haven't slept or I

642
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: do go and drink alcohol, and then I'm hot and

643
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: flustered and whatever, that's when the hot flashes, and that's

644
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: when it all becomes a bit more difficult and I'm

645
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: not feeling great. But she was having a lot of

646
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: issues sleeping five to seven hours. I have a questionnaire.

647
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: We've got to get this sorted. You know, she's having

648
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: coffees in the afternoon and she's a fast caffeine metabolizer.

649
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: But still you don't want to be having coffee, you know,

650
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: particularly you know, after two and she's on her screen

651
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: at night like so many people, and I said, how

652
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: about before we think about progesterone and HRT for sleep.

653
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: She came to that conclusion around I don't. I don't.

654
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of practitioners. We work together, but

655
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: we're like, let's just do that for a few months.

656
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: Let's just let's just move coffee. Maybe we could even

657
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: try no coffee at all, or just you know, one

658
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: coffee earlier in the day. Let's get off the screen

659
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: at night and see if your sleep gets a little better.

660
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: She's already exercising, eating relatively well, and then we can

661
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: start to think about whether it's the hormones affecting your sleep.

662
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: So you want to get all of these things right

663
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: because they're the foundations ether thing's going to make you

664
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: feel really good. There is no quick fix. There is

665
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: no quick fix, whether it's a medication, a supplement, or

666
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: a hormone. You have some people say I feel fantastic,

667
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: but the reality is most of them have done the groundwork.

668
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, love. All of that has cut

669
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 1: only one thing that I object to. I don't really

670
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: object to it because you actually early in there you went,

671
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: it's not our fault, I reckon, it is our fault sometimes.

672
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Now that's not about blame or self loathing. It's about awareness.

673
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: Because you said, oh, she drinks coffee in the afternoon,

674
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: she's on score. Well, these are all choices, like nobody's

675
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: putting a gun to your head saying, you know, be

676
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: on your computer at ten o'clock at night or drink

677
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: coffee at four pm. And so while we don't want

678
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: to beat ourselves up, of course, and you're exactly right,

679
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: there are a lot of variables like what's in the water,

680
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, what foods processed in and packaged in, and

681
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: thalates and all the effect of you know, and the

682
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: crime disruptors and all that shit, right, which, but then

683
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: there's this stuff like I can sit down with anyone

684
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: and say to them, be brave and honest in the moment,

685
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: what are five things you're currently doing that are dumb?

686
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: And if they'll go, oh, well, you know, I probably

687
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: thirty percent more food than I need to. Okay, cool,

688
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: So that's great, thanks for being brave. There's no hate

689
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: in that there's no judgment or ridicule. There's just honesty

690
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: and self awareness, because we can't change what we're not

691
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: aware of, or we can't change what we won't acknowledge,

692
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's almost doing an audit

693
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: on our own behaviors and outcomes and realizing, you know,

694
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: like you said before we went live, I'm probably doing

695
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: too much. And next year I'll change that a bit.

696
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: You may, you may not. I do the same, tip

697
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: does the same. I still do dumb shit. I've changed

698
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: a lot of shit to do that is now more

699
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: intelligent and less stupid. But I think there's got to

700
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: be a part in this because we like, what are

701
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: we talking about. We're talking about change. We're talking about physical, mental, emotional,

702
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: behavioral change. We're talking about the results that we're producing

703
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: with our body and the results that we're producing in

704
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: the world. And then in order to do better, we

705
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: need to think better and choose better and behave better.

706
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes before we go down the rabbit

707
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: hole of which drug or which supplement or which you know,

708
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: which CrossFit workout should we do? All of those things matter,

709
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: But I think sometimes we've got to go like way

710
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: way back even below the base level we're talking about

711
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: it. It's like, what's the thing that I do that's stupid.

712
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: Oh well, I eat on autopilot. I don't think or

713
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, I have five to seven drinks a day.

714
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: And again this is just honesty and awareness. It's like, yeah,

715
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: let's just you know, you can't go get a new body,

716
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: bro like that body that's the one. You can't fuck it.

717
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: You can fuck up a lot of things and replace it,

718
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, but you can't replace your body. And once

719
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: it's fucked, I mean fact, it's fucked. So you know,

720
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm always very much about we can't change you know, time,

721
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: We can't change chronological aging at all, we have no

722
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: influence on it. But we can change the way that

723
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: we age. We can change our physiology and biology over

724
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: the you know, that's the variable amidst the consistency of

725
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, day to day time. And so it's trying

726
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to I think, you know, with what Tiff does, with

727
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: what you do, with what I do. It's like I

728
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: say to audiences all the time, you know, at the

729
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: end of it, I go, well, look, I just shared

730
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: with you ninety minutes of theory, ideas, strategies, science. You know,

731
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: bit of data, you know, a bit of silliness, some stories.

732
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: Who's more motivated than you were an hour ago or

733
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: an hour and a half. Every hand goes up and

734
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: I go, great, it's going to pass. What happens then, like,

735
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: what can you do when the theory, the ideas, the podcast,

736
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: the lecture, the inspiration has passed? Because ultimately what matters

737
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: is not what we know. What we know really matters,

738
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: but what matters most is what we do with that

739
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: knowledge and how we practically and consistently apply that knowledge

740
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: to create whatever is close to our optimal result. And

741
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: so how many people know they should exercise? Fucking everyone?

742
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: How many do? Hardly anyone? Right, It's not a knowledge issue,

743
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of it. How many people know that eating

744
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: junk food is bad? I'd say nearly everyone in Australia,

745
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: you know. But nonetheless, people who are already unhealthy, who

746
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: already don't like the way they look or feel, will

747
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: buy McDonald's tonight. I'm not judging that. I'm not saying

748
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: they're bad people. I'm saying these are two facts that exist. One,

749
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: they're in an unhealthy body. They want to be healthy too.

750
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: On the same day, day by junk, you know, and

751
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: so this is the at some stage there has to

752
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: be an internal, psychological and emotional revolution. So people like

753
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm not that person anymore because they can you know,

754
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: you can give them a day of your time. You

755
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: can give them twenty grand worth of you. I'm sure

756
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: that's under selling you, but I wish. But at the

757
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: end of the day, what matters is what they do

758
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: with what they know, and what they can keep doing

759
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: over time.

760
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: Right, I think you are right in the sense when

761
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: I say it's not their fault. Yes, they're making decisions,

762
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: but I think some people genuinely there are people in

763
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: our world that really know the things they should be doing.

764
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: But there are some people that actually just go, I

765
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: really had no idea that looking at my phone really

766
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: had such a massive impact on my sleepers. And they'll

767
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: come back and go, wow, I haven't got my phone

768
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: in my room and I really am sleeping better. It's

769
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: like they're shocked, but they actually didn't. They really didn't

770
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: think it was having such a big impact. Or as

771
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: if you start taking out some of these you know,

772
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: whether it's natural skin care products or just changing the

773
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: food just a little bit, you know, small changes and

774
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: they're like, Wow, I'm actually not getting bloating anymore. I'm

775
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: not getting that brain fog just by changing a few foods.

776
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 3: And I think some people are genuinely shocked because even

777
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: though they kind of know, they don't really believe that

778
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: these changes are going to have such a big impact.

779
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: But for those that do, it's great because sometimes that

780
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: keeps the momentum going. But the reality is, as you

781
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: would know, even once the momentum is going, often people

782
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: fall back into habits, and I think it comes down

783
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: to stress fatigue, you know, dopamine people just looking for

784
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: that dopamine hit. Are you doing stuff with dopamine and

785
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: neurotransmitters in your PhD?

786
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: Not particularly, No, but we talk a fair bit about

787
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: pressing the dopamine button on this show, you know, for

788
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: lots of different reasons, and that, you know, one of

789
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: the biggest challenges I talk about with people is being

790
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: able to delay gratification. You know, is where you know

791
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: you could just push that button and in five seconds

792
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: or five minutes, you're going to feel fucking great. If

793
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: you don't push that button, you're not going to feel great,

794
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: and you're also not going to get any reward. Back

795
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: anytime soon, because sometimes you've got to go through months

796
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: of not pushing the button to start to see and

797
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: experience the real reward, you know, to get to that

798
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: long term you know whatever emotional, psychological, physiological state. But

799
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Like I said, I agree with you.

800
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: I think what you say and what I'm saying those

801
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: things are both true and they both coexist, you know,

802
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: they can exist side by side where we go. Oh,

803
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: of course there's lots of shit people don't know, but

804
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: there's also shit people do know, and people do know

805
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: shit that they do know this is bad and then

806
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: nonetheless do it. And then there's people who don't know

807
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: that how toxic or potentially damaging that thing is, and

808
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: they you know, they can't operationalize what they don't know.

809
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, And that's why I mean literally, this

810
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: is why we have this discussion, just to open the

811
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: door for people or just to get people thinking or yeah, yeah,

812
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: I had.

813
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: My first corporate gig. I guess you would call it.

814
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: I don't do sort of what you do. I'm most

815
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 3: generally medical conferences and speaking to practitioners most of the time,

816
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: like you know, whether they're doctors or you know, health

817
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: people in that health space, and I one of my clients.

818
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: I had no idea. She has this beautiful business with

819
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: seven hundred staff, like it's her business she's created, had

820
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: no idea. She just sold it to someone in Japan.

821
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: But she said, can you come along and talk? I'm

822
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: having this sort of women in business HR things. She

823
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: had all these really high performing women and it was

824
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 3: so much fun. There was no slides, there was no

825
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: prepared talk.

826
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: What are you yeah?

827
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 3: And she had some questions. We didn't even go through

828
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: her questions because it ended up just being that, you know,

829
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: the thirty women that were at the event just ask

830
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: questions randomly. But it was such a great experience to

831
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: just sit there and be able to talk to these

832
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: people about health. You know, high performing, high functioning people

833
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 3: that are dealing with day to day high level stress

834
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: and trying to be a mum and trying to do

835
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: this and trying to be healthy, but the crap that

836
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: they see online and almost I felt like I was

837
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: just doing mythbusting to be honest, like it was just

838
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: what about this? I was like hmm and no, no, no, no, no,

839
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't think you need that

840
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: and let's come back to basics. But there was a

841
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: really interesting question at the end of it. And actually

842
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: I think she was quite happy with me. She goes,

843
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to hate you. She was

844
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: really honest, she goes, I thought you were going to

845
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: come in and say you got to sleep this many

846
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: out nine hours every night, and you can't drink alcohol,

847
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: and you've got to do this, and because of course

848
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: we know these things help, but I'm realistic about socializing

849
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: and connecting and think, you know, eighty twenty et cetera.

850
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: But in the end, she just said, can you just

851
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: tell me one thing? She said, I loved everything you said,

852
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: but if there was just one one thing I had

853
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: to do, Like if I just took she said, You've

854
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: talked about you know, so many things, and I don't

855
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: have one thing. But what just was flashing in my mind.

856
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: It almost felt like it was too simple to say,

857
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: but it just kept flashing, and I was like, Okay,

858
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what's in my mind. I said,

859
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: go for a walk every day, I said, just go

860
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: for a walk, I said, and just pay attention to

861
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: your thoughts, pay attention to how your body feels, and

862
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: a bit like what you were talking about before, Harps.

863
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: You don't like meditating. I don't either, but often I

864
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: think meditating something that I've recently learned, and whether it's

865
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: true or not, but this is what I've been told

866
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 3: and I love it because I don't think I'm good

867
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: at meditating. Is that meditating is just being okay with

868
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: your thoughts. It's actually just being okay, we're sitting with

869
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: who you are. It's not about going like blank, which

870
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: of course I don't do, ding ding ding ding ding.

871
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: It's just being okay with what's popping up and paying

872
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: attention to all the things that are going on in

873
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: your mind and do you need to deal with that

874
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: or do you just push that aside? It's not important.

875
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: And I think with walking with me, it is almost

876
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: a little bit of form of meditation, and that sort

877
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: of grounds you and then just from that little moment,

878
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: then you're more likely to maybe make a better food

879
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: choice or drink water instead of something else, and it

880
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: leads into something else. And there is no right or

881
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: wrong one thing. But I think they were all a

882
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: little bit shocked. They were happy, but how simple. You know,

883
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: we'd got into genetics and all the cool testing I do,

884
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: and then they're like, what's the one thing like And

885
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 3: it's just for a walk every day and pay attention

886
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: to your thoughts, you know. And it is just coming

887
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: back to those basics and also working out what works

888
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: for you. Because even though I said it's a walk,

889
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, for you Harps, it's a ride on the motorbike.

890
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: Don't try to force yourself to do something because someone

891
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: else said it's the right thing to do. Because I'll

892
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: give you a recent example, as in literally last week,

893
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: I'd gone from one event to the other. There were

894
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: some issues in Sea, so I didn't arrive in Melbourne

895
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: till after midnight. I was speaking the next day. I

896
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: just and I had come from sort of three events

897
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 3: in a row, and I just felt really on edge.

898
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: I had a great presentation, I saw all these wonderful colleagues.

899
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: Nothing about the event was out of you know, I

900
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: loved it. But I just came back to the hotel

901
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: room and I just felt so on edge and I

902
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: was like, I need to calm the fuck down. I've

903
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: just gone from playing to events I've been on. I've

904
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: been on. I was like, I'm gonna have a bath

905
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: and listen to meditation. I could not sit still in

906
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: the bath. I was like, I was getting up here

907
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting there and I'm like lay down and relaxed, Denise,

908
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: like switch off, and what I should have done. I

909
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 3: needed to move my body. I needed to do something

910
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: because I don't love just sitting there and doing meditation.

911
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: But it's so funny even me, I went, I need

912
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: to calm down. You've just been on I want to

913
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: sleep well tonight. I'm going to have a bath. There

914
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: was this spa bath in the room, but I didn't

915
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: enjoy it, and afterwards I was like, I should have

916
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 3: just done a few yoga poses. I should have gone

917
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 3: for a walk, Like I needed to move my body

918
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: and get all that in it. You through me. So

919
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: it's knowing what works for you and not just what

920
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: you've read online or what someone else is saying.

921
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: It's like the idea of it. It's better than the

922
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: reality of it.

923
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in the bath, going, why aren't I relaxed?

924
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: Why can't I just lay yet?

925
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: It's like relax right now, you fucking relax.

926
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: Now You've got meditation on your inner bathroom in a

927
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: hotel room by yourself. Everything's right now, Come on, Denise,

928
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: come on now.

929
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: We know you're busy. We appreciate you. You're amazing. You've

930
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: got a million things on. So we'll let you go,

931
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: but tell people how to connect with you and read

932
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: you and hear you, and.

933
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so you can if you want to connect.

934
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: It's probably easier to go to the website's bit of

935
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: an outdated website, but there's a page there and you

936
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: can reach out. If you've got any questions, that'll go

937
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: to my assistance. She'll let me know if you I'm

938
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: not taking on any patients at the moment. We're just

939
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: crazy till the end of the year. But next year

940
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 3: we are looking at doing these retreats and the first.

941
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: HAPs will be to be there apparently.

942
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I've got a couple that have sold

943
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: out already, so we could talk about some biological age

944
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: ones with harps. So if you're interested in that kind

945
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: of stuff, let me know. And yeah, if you've got

946
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: any questions otherwise, I will talk to you here next

947
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: time that I pop up on the You Project.

948
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: Perfect love you, guts, thank you so much. I hope

949
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: you enjoy the netball. Denise is off to I'll referee.

950
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: Do we call it umpie umpire netball?

951
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: I should know that I used to work in the

952
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: netty well with the girls. All Right, we'll chat off air,

953
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: but for the mini. Thanks thanks TIV, Thanks TIV.

954
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: Thanks as you get an F for mic technique, You're welcome.

955
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Thanks everyone? Why why what did I do?

956
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Get off it?

957
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I told you to tell me what I don't understand.

958
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: Leaning on it.

959
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: He's leaning on it, Denise.

960
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm literally two inches away from it.

961
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: That's the actually sounds okay to me.

962
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, Denise.

963
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 2: It's so gainy, So thank you, Denise. I feel I'm

964
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: fighting with both of you.

965
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: I feel like Craig sounds clear and you sound really

966
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: quiet to me.

967
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: Oh, praise the Lord. Thank you. Come on. Yeah, that's

968
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: what's coming through for me. Everyone. Yeah, Tip one's feedback

969
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: till you give her feedback. See what happens. See everyone.

970
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: Hi,