WEBVTT - The killer and the thin blue line

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<v Speaker 1>What brought him undone was fingerprints, specifically the genius of

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<v Speaker 1>those people who could memorize them. The police assumed later

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the only person with a strong motive

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<v Speaker 1>and that fact screwed up the investigation for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And he thought if he drags in other young people

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<v Speaker 1>and belts enough of them, that one of them is

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell him something that will lead to the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrew rule is his life in crimes. It's forty

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<v Speaker 1>years since Raymond Ebens, mister Stinky was locked up in

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<v Speaker 1>Penridg Prison. He was put there on remand for a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible crime for the double murder of Gary Haywood and

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<v Speaker 1>Abina Medill at Shepperton back in nineteen sixty six. So

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<v Speaker 1>this Listeners is a man who was on the loose

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<v Speaker 1>for nineteen years around Victoria and around Australia, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact is that he should have been caught in the

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<v Speaker 1>first few weeks. Our listeners, we have looked at the

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<v Speaker 1>case of mister Stinky Raymond Edmunds several times before, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a long involved story with many aspects on What

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't do on the other occasions was look at

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<v Speaker 1>everything that the police did and also what they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do today we do a bit of that. Currently, Raymond

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<v Speaker 1>Edmonds is back in the news after all these years

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<v Speaker 1>because he and others like Julian Knight and other high

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<v Speaker 1>profile high security prisoners, it looks as if they will

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<v Speaker 1>be moved to medium security prisons to make room for

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<v Speaker 1>the rising number of young offenders who are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be placed on remand instead of being grant to bail.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what makes this story more relevant this

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<v Speaker 1>month than it was. I now propose to tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of mister Stinky in not so many words. After

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<v Speaker 1>the first round of interviews, they took the Quiet Killer

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<v Speaker 1>to the remand Yard Pentridge for his first taste of

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life. It was early nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five and Raymond Edmonds had never been in jail before,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's never been out of one since. They call

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<v Speaker 1>him mister Stinky, and he's one of the damned, those

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<v Speaker 1>destined to stay inside until they die or a so

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<v Speaker 1>frail they're beyond committing harm. He's eighty one now, the

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<v Speaker 1>flabby old man who was once a cunning and ruthless predator,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he's close to his use by date. Unlike

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<v Speaker 1>some lifers if he's moved from a high security prison

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<v Speaker 1>to make way for young remand prisoners hardly going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a security risk. So it's exactly forty years since

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<v Speaker 1>Edmonds was locked up in Penridge the first time. He

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<v Speaker 1>fronted the City Court on April the eighth, nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>be remanded back in custody to await the trial that

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<v Speaker 1>would put him away for life with no parole. For

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty years, Edmonds had gotten away with a double

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<v Speaker 1>murder that shocked Australia. He probably wouldn't have been caught

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<v Speaker 1>at all, except that his twisted urges had driven him

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<v Speaker 1>to rape dozens of women in Melbourne's Eastern suburbs over

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years. Even then, he might have gotten away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>What brought him undone was fingerprints, specifically the genius of

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<v Speaker 1>those people who could memorize them, who could read fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>and recall them. That's what caught mister Stinky. At one

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<v Speaker 1>of the rape scenes at Donvale in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the then unknown rapist left a print on a fly screen.

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<v Speaker 1>With a little lark and some brilliant police work, the

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<v Speaker 1>print was later matched with an unidentified partial print taken

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<v Speaker 1>from a car at Shepperton two decades earlier. The print

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<v Speaker 1>on the car was found and kept secret after the

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<v Speaker 1>abduction and murder of Sheperdon teenagers Gary Haywood and Abina

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<v Speaker 1>Medil on a summer night in nineteen sixty six. Gary

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<v Speaker 1>Haywood was eighteen. He was an apprentice in the family

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<v Speaker 1>panel works. He was an apprentice panel beater. His father

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<v Speaker 1>was a panel beater and his uncle owned the panel works,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest panel works in the Goblin Valley. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a Beena Medil was just sixteen. She'd left school just

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<v Speaker 1>the previous year and had just spent the first few

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<v Speaker 1>months of her first job working in the office at

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<v Speaker 1>Haywood's panel works. Chance had brought these two workmates together

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<v Speaker 1>at a pop concert at the Shepherdon Civic Center on

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<v Speaker 1>that Thursday night, February tenth, nineteen sixty six. Older listeners

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<v Speaker 1>will recall that this was just four days before the

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<v Speaker 1>introduction of decimal currency. Decimal currency would come in on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>February the fourteenth. This was four days earlier, so these

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<v Speaker 1>two youngsters were abducted and murdered with pound shillings and

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<v Speaker 1>pence in their pockets and by the time their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>were found a couple of weeks later. The people that

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<v Speaker 1>found them were carrying dollars and cents. That was right

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<v Speaker 1>on the cusp of the new era in Australia, and

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<v Speaker 1>this crime in some respects marked the end of innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>On that night, that Thursday night in Sheperdon, Gary's girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>Gail didn't want to go out because it was the

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<v Speaker 1>night before payday, and she assumed wrongly that he Gary

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't go out either, But she didn't know that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go out because he didn't tell her. He

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<v Speaker 1>dropped her home after work and then away he went

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<v Speaker 1>in his British racing green FJ Holden, which he'd done

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<v Speaker 1>up himself for most beautiful car that everyone in Sheperdon

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<v Speaker 1>knew and many admired. Abina Medill's boyfriend, Ian Urkert was

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<v Speaker 1>a mechanic at a local tractor dealership. He was working

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<v Speaker 1>late that night trying to get a tractor running for

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<v Speaker 1>a farmer or orchidist, and so he had to work

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<v Speaker 1>late into the night, could not go to the pop

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<v Speaker 1>concert with Abina, and probably that cost her her life.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just one of those things because in the

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<v Speaker 1>absence of Gary that was working. I went to the

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<v Speaker 1>concert at the Sheperdon Civic Center. It was a very

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<v Speaker 1>big concert. Shep was a big place, still is a

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<v Speaker 1>big place, but it was a place that ran big

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<v Speaker 1>rock and roll events. At the civic center, two or

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand teenagers would flock there from all over the

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<v Speaker 1>River Arena, from the Murray River region, from Bendigo right

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<v Speaker 1>over there, Yarrawonga. They would come to Shepperton to see

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big acts in Norman Row would play there. MPD

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<v Speaker 1>Limited would play there. Eyvon Barrett would play there. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of nineteen sixties rock and roll and pop acts

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<v Speaker 1>that appeared on television would end up performing at Shepardon

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<v Speaker 1>because it really was one of the biggesttual centers outside

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<v Speaker 1>the capitals. So on this night, while roadies unloaded the

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<v Speaker 1>gear for four different acts that were playing that night,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Haywood tall, fair haired, charming, good looking, popular, popular

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<v Speaker 1>with girls. Popular with these mates, He persuaded a beaner

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<v Speaker 1>and a friend of hers to drive around town in

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<v Speaker 1>his immaculate FJ. Holden. They were probably pleased to be

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<v Speaker 1>seen going around with him in his flash car. They

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<v Speaker 1>just left school, and you know, he was a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. So it was all harmless teenage stuff until

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't because at some point that night and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to chase every rabbit down every burrow here,

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<v Speaker 1>but at some point that night they were parked next

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<v Speaker 1>to Victoria Park Lake, which is the lake right in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Sheperdon, and there are trees around at

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<v Speaker 1>this parkland and it's a natural place to go park

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the water and the sunset and all

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of good stuff. It was while they were

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<v Speaker 1>parked there at some point in the evening that Raymond Edmonds,

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<v Speaker 1>a young man of twenty two at this stage, abducted

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<v Speaker 1>them at gunpoint and forced we imagine this is what

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<v Speaker 1>he did. He forced Gary Haywood to drive the three

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<v Speaker 1>of them to Murchison East, which is about thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers south of Sheperdon. It's quite a drive now. Merch East,

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<v Speaker 1>as they call it locally, Merchison East is an area

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of between the old Highway, the Goblin

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<v Speaker 1>Valley Highway and the River Golbin. And particularly back in

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<v Speaker 1>those days, that whole district that had lots of bush

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<v Speaker 1>paddocks along the river. There were hundreds of acres along

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<v Speaker 1>the river with river red gums on them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it might be crown land or parkland.

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<v Speaker 1>And in those days local farmers would rent this land

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<v Speaker 1>to run cattle in at certain times of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was to one of these places, one of

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<v Speaker 1>these bush paddicks, that Edmonds forced Gary Haywood to drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Presumably Edmunds had been there before, it must have known

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<v Speaker 1>where it was. There was what they call a cocky gate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just a little gate, not a real gate. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just made up of little light posts and fencing wire.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pulled down and they drove through. They left

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<v Speaker 1>it down and they drove into the bush paddock. No

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<v Speaker 1>one else knew that they were there. No one knew

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<v Speaker 1>anything about that. Meanwhile, back in Sheperdon later that night,

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<v Speaker 1>by about midnight, people are starting to panic. The Medill

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<v Speaker 1>family are very worried about Abina. She was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be with her younger sister. They were supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>picked up by their father Fred, and Abuna's gone a

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<v Speaker 1>Buna's missing. The Medile parents are obviously very worried. They're

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<v Speaker 1>quite probably quite annoyed and angry. And then as the

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<v Speaker 1>night wore on and there was no sign of her.

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<v Speaker 1>They became more and more fearful. Meanwhile, Ian Urkert, who

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<v Speaker 1>is emotionally Abena's boyfriend, he's finished work, he's cleaned up,

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<v Speaker 1>we got all the great and stuff off, had a shower,

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<v Speaker 1>got changed and he and one of his mates has

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<v Speaker 1>gone off to a particular cafe or whatever to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for a beana to finish at the concert too, so

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<v Speaker 1>he also is looking for a beaner. He hears from

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<v Speaker 1>one of his other friends that she's been driving around

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<v Speaker 1>with Gary Haywood and his mates. This makes him quite angry.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes around to I think Haywood's place, Similar goes

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<v Speaker 1>around somewhere to a house in Sheperdon where he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>Heywood might be, and he's saying things like I'll kill

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<v Speaker 1>that bastard, I'll kill him. He's not happy, and that threat,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the sort of threat that a teenager is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make about a rival boyfriend, was held against

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<v Speaker 1>him for a long time because the police assumed later

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the only person with a strong motive

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<v Speaker 1>to harm Gary Haywood and have been a madill, and

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<v Speaker 1>that fact screwed up the investigation for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>The night wears on sometime before dawn. Local policeman Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Ayir as in e y A. Frank Air been a

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<v Speaker 1>copper around Sheperdon, forever, good bloke. Everybody knew him, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>liked him. He is on night shift and he lives

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<v Speaker 1>around the lake routine patrol, and he sees Gary Haywood's

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<v Speaker 1>F J. Holden parked near the lake and he jumps out.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just before dawn, it's quite early in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>He jumps out and he puts his hand in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the radiator at the front of the seat. It's warm,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't. It was quite cold, which suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>the car had been there for several hours, which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We're thinking that when the bad thing happened around midnight,

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<v Speaker 1>within half an hour, the car would be back in

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<v Speaker 1>Sheperdon less than half an hour possibly and abandoned there

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<v Speaker 1>probably by one am or something like that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>by the time Frank Air gets to it, it's cold.

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<v Speaker 1>But interestingly, the car is left open, it's not locked,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is parked crookedly. It's not neatly parked up

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<v Speaker 1>against the curb with the front wheels angle correctly, It's

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<v Speaker 1>been left very carelessly, and as soon as Gary Haywood's

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<v Speaker 1>father and his brother saw it, they knew that something

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<v Speaker 1>very bad had happened because they knew that there. Gary

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<v Speaker 1>would not leave his car sitting there. He wouldn't park

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<v Speaker 1>it like that, and he would not abandon it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he certainly wouldn't leave town and run away without taking

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<v Speaker 1>the car. And the other fact that goes to their

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<v Speaker 1>theory is that he was over to day's wages. Friday

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<v Speaker 1>was payday. He's gone missing on a Thursday night. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is no way that Gary Haywood He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>skip town without his pay and skip town and leave

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<v Speaker 1>his beautiful car that he spent hundreds of hours doing up.

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<v Speaker 1>His family knew from that first few hours that something

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<v Speaker 1>had gone tragically wrong, that if he wasn't dead, he

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly being held against his will. Gary's girlfriend, Gail,

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<v Speaker 1>totally agrees with the Haywood family. She knew he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>leave without the car. She knew he wouldn't leave without

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<v Speaker 1>his pay. She never thought for a second that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>run away from town. And so the initial police theories

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, two young lovers have bolted were nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>They were never a goer, because what are they going

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<v Speaker 1>to bolt in and what are they going to bolt with?

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<v Speaker 1>No money, no car, crazy stuff. They were young, they

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<v Speaker 1>were teenagers, but they had regular jobs. They are from regular,

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<v Speaker 1>hard working families. They weren't just going to run away

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<v Speaker 1>from shepardon. They weren't the type. But the police initially

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that. The first thing the police do is

0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.680
<v Speaker 1>they drag in a Bena's boyfriend, Ian Urka, the young mechanic,

0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and his best mate. They dragged them into the Shepherd

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<v Speaker 1>and Police repeatedly, not just next day, but the day

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<v Speaker 1>after that, and the day after that, and someone regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a pretty ugly scene because one of

0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.680
<v Speaker 1>these local policemen is a detective called Peter Parkinson. That

0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:22.400
<v Speaker 1>name is Peter Parkinson, and he was a smooth but

0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.160
<v Speaker 1>very tough man. I met him when he was a

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<v Speaker 1>middle aged man, about twenty years after these events, and

0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.000
<v Speaker 1>by this stage he was a retired policeman. But you

0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.640
<v Speaker 1>could see that he had been a pretty hard case.

0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.520
<v Speaker 1>He'd started life Peter Parkinson up in the Riverina, I

0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.920
<v Speaker 1>think in farming district. He'd been a shearer who could

0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.680
<v Speaker 1>win his share of fights in the local pubs against

0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.000
<v Speaker 1>other shearers, and when the boxing tents came to town he

0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.680
<v Speaker 1>could win fights with the gloves on. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>joined the police force and rapidly became a detective. And

0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that would be code for he was an old school

0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.520
<v Speaker 1>detective who was a bash artist and didn't mind copying

0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:14.360
<v Speaker 1>a quid of corrupt money. He was posted to Sheperdon

0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 1>interestingly earlier in the sixties after a stinting the homicide

0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.800
<v Speaker 1>squad in Melbourne. Now that may or may not mean anything.

0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.320
<v Speaker 1>The posting might be as he said it was because

0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.240
<v Speaker 1>he had a child that had asthma and that his

0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.399
<v Speaker 1>family needed to move to a warmer climate where the

0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 1>asthma would not be such a problem. That may well

0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:43.679
<v Speaker 1>be true, however, Interestingly, in the nineteen sixties, the Victorian

0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.439
<v Speaker 1>homicide Squad was led by two men, one called Jack Ford,

0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.280
<v Speaker 1>one called Jack Matthews, and they were crooks. They were

0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.320
<v Speaker 1>crooks who had a big finger in the pie of

0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.439
<v Speaker 1>illegal abortions. Because abortions were illegal, there there was so

0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.879
<v Speaker 1>much money to be made in performing illegal abortions, and

0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the homicide Squad essentially franchised that because they could go

0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:14.199
<v Speaker 1>easy on particular abortionists. That his doctors who would perform

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>abortions for cash, providing they got kickbacks, and so effectively

0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the homicide squad ran the abortion racket in Victoria, and

0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a very good racket it was. It was right up there,

0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.920
<v Speaker 1>just behind sp bookmaking and very similar in some ways,

0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.680
<v Speaker 1>very like the current tobacco shop shop shops, the illicit

0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.240
<v Speaker 1>tobacco trade. And it might be that Peter Parkinson had

0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.119
<v Speaker 1>been mixed up in that sort of stuff and then

0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.480
<v Speaker 1>was transferred to sheperd and to get him out of

0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the way. I don't know, but he certainly had a

0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.840
<v Speaker 1>few bad habits. He tended to be more a bash

0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:03.360
<v Speaker 1>artist and a standover man there then a sleuth, and

0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.560
<v Speaker 1>he was an opportunist. And when this happened, he said, well,

0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm a local detective, I'm here at SHP, I know everybody.

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I also have had experience in homicide squad. And so

0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.840
<v Speaker 1>they sort of made this guy the de facto head

0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of the de facto investigation. Once all the homicide guys

0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.240
<v Speaker 1>went back to Melbourne, Parkinson became the de facto leader

0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of the investigation and it didn't go that well. And

0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.360
<v Speaker 1>it didn't go well because they really didn't run an

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.359
<v Speaker 1>investigation on scientific lines, or at least Parkinson did not.

0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.240
<v Speaker 1>He was just keen on the idea that someone close

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to Gary Haywood must have done it or know something

0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.080
<v Speaker 1>about it. And he thought, if he drags in Urkit,

0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.359
<v Speaker 1>and he drags in Gary Haywood's mates, and he drags

0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:57.120
<v Speaker 1>in other young people that knew other young people and

0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.880
<v Speaker 1>belts enough of them that one of them is going

0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:03.560
<v Speaker 1>to tell him something that will lead to the killer. Now,

0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.880
<v Speaker 1>that's fine if any of them knew anything. But they

0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't because it wasn't one of them. It was not

0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:16.119
<v Speaker 1>anyone to do with the dead kids. It was a

0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:21.800
<v Speaker 1>total outlier, not someone from Melbourne or Sydney or from Queensland.

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.680
<v Speaker 1>But it was a total outlier. It was not one

0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of their social group. It takes sixteen days for the

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.040
<v Speaker 1>bodies to be found, and in that time there is

0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a great kerfuffle. It becomes the biggest story in Australia.

0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I would suspect I was. I was nine years old

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.280
<v Speaker 1>at the time that this happened, and I can recall

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the story in the newspapers, I can recall it on

0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.880
<v Speaker 1>radio and television. It was certainly one of the biggest

0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:55.680
<v Speaker 1>stories of my primary school years, and it was riveting

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 1>because basically it was the sort of thing that didn't

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 1>really happen much in Australia. Although it was only about

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.200
<v Speaker 1>two weeks after the Beaumont children met missing in Adelaide.

0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:11.879
<v Speaker 1>So in one summer in Australia, within the two weeks

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.000
<v Speaker 1>between Australia Day and the tenth of February, we've had

0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:20.440
<v Speaker 1>two of the biggest abduction murders that have ever happened

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 1>in this country. Despite all the searches that the police arranged,

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.000
<v Speaker 1>volunteers went out. They closed down I think one of

0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the big canaries up there, and all the people went

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.119
<v Speaker 1>searching along the river banks. The local pony club has

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.439
<v Speaker 1>all got together and rode ponies and horses through bush.

0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Everybody who could went out searching for these kids, for

0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the missing pair. Didn't find a thing. What happened is

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that two weeks later, on Saturday, the twenty sixth of February,

0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 1>two teenagers from Melbourne came up to Murchison. One of

0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.639
<v Speaker 1>these two boys had a relative living at Murchison. His

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.360
<v Speaker 1>relative was a farmer and this young bloke and his mate,

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 1>his mate was I think Peter Jacobi. They would come

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.200
<v Speaker 1>up on the train from Melbourne from Spencer Street station

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.639
<v Speaker 1>as it was then known, and they would bring with

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>them a twenty two rifle and a shotgun or something,

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.479
<v Speaker 1>as you used to do in those days, and they

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>would go shooting on the relatives farm out at Murchison East,

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and they'd hop off the train at Murchison and they'd

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.960
<v Speaker 1>walk to the paddocks, the bush paddocks where they would

0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.679
<v Speaker 1>shoot rabbits and stuff. And when they got sick of

0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 1>it and got hungry and thirsty, they would go across

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the paddox to granddads or uncles or whoever it was.

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.560
<v Speaker 1>And on this day they're shooting away at rabbits and

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.439
<v Speaker 1>they smell something and then they find the body. They

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 1>find a ben and Medill's body, which is a shocking thing.

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:58.639
<v Speaker 1>It's been in the summer heat for sixteen days. The

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>body is only half closed, all the bottom garments are removed,

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and she spread eagled on the ground. And of course

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:11.159
<v Speaker 1>all the flies and the ants and the animals have

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.120
<v Speaker 1>got involved in the body, so it's a terrible, terrible sight.

0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>The boys are shocked and distressed. They run across country,

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 1>I think for probably almost two kilometers and raise the

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>alarm with the relatives and with the local policemen. Local

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 1>policeman comes down with the local farmer and the farmer says,

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 1>funny thing. I was down near that clump of saplings

0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.439
<v Speaker 1>over there, a few hundred meters away the other day,

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and I smelt something dead and I thought it must

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>be a dead kangaroo or a dead dog. Maybe somebody

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>shot a dog. And the policeman said, doesn't sound good,

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and they headed over there, and sure enough, that's when

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they found Gary Haywood's body. Gary Haywood had been shot

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 1>through the head. There was a neat bullet hole in

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 1>his head. And subsequently, when a site was searched by

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the forensic ballistics experts, they found I think two at

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>least two twenty two shells that matched each other. And subsequently,

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 1>of course, when the post mortems were done, they were

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>able to retrieve the lead bullet or slug from Gary

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Haywood's skull, which forensics were able to examine and they

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 1>could see the rifling marks on the bullet. They could

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>also check the firing pin marks on the shells. The

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:46.160
<v Speaker 1>police also found a small plastic what they call a beetle.

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It was a small piece of plastic trim from a

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>particular sort of rifle. And by the time the experts

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>looked at the bullet, the shells, and this piece of plastic,

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>they were able to narrow down the search for a

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>rifle or a make of rifle to a Mosburg semi automatic,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.360
<v Speaker 1>probably what they call a model three point fifty two

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>K I think was called. But they were able to

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 1>narrow it down to a very tight group of Mosburg

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty two rifles. So there were more than one hundred

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>rifle makes in the police library, but within days they

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 1>knew what sort of rifle they were looking for. Now,

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>initially they kept that secret, but it was probably the

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>best clue of all. Meanwhile, there is some other good

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 1>police work happening. A lot of bad police work's happening,

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.119
<v Speaker 1>but there's some very good police work, and that is

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Peter Parkinson, the bash artist detective. He did one good thing.

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>He got Gary Haywood's FJ Holden and he carefully got

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in it without putting his hands everywhere, and he drove

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it to shed at the Shepherd And Police station and

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>locked it up so that the forensic experts could come

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and have a good look at it. They came there,

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>they dusted the whole car and they got several sets

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of prints. Now, the big thing with that is you

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>have to eliminate the prince. So they were able to

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>eliminate Ben and Medill's prince, Gary Haywood's own prince, Gary

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Haywood's brothers, Allan's prince, Gary Haywood's father, I think, Charlie

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 1>his prince, and even Gary Howood's girlfriend. Gail, the expert.

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Fingerprint expert went out to see her at her place

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>and she said, the last time I saw Gary, he'd

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>dropped me off home here on that Thursday afternoon after work,

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and as he was backing out of the drive, I

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>put my hands on the bonnet and pretended to push

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the car, and so my prince will be right there

0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 1>on the bonnet, and indeed they were. The fingerprinting expert

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>found her prince and he said, that's great, you're the

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>last set of unidentified prints on his car. And that

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 1>was a white lie. What he was doing was obscuring

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there was one other set of unidentified

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>prints on the car, and it was that other set

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>of unidentified prince that would help, many years later solve

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>this whole murder and a series of rapes. It was

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a tiny, tiny pair of prints. It was just from

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>two fingers, but it wasn't even the top of the fingers.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>It was the second joint down and it was just

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a very small patch on the car. And they kept

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 1>it secret that they had it, and that stayed secret

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>for many years until the early nineteen eighties, when an

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>enterprising reporter called Steve Ober managed to winkle the truth

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>out of a New South Wales police contact O bar

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>in two would hear just a tiny mention of something?

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>He heard a senior policeman say something quietly to another

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>reporter about Sheperdon and Obar, who was an American. I

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>remember him quite well. He was a very popular figure

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>in journalism in Melbourne in those days. He was a

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>tabloid expert. He worked for the Sunday Press and Steve

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Ober had contacts everywhere and he was very friendly with people.

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And he rang a policeman in New South Wales and said,

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I've just heard something about a case at Sheperdon and fingerprints.

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Have you heard anything? The blug said, hang on a

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>minute and checked with somebody, and he got back to

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Obar and said yes, indeed, a couple of Victorian detectives

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>have been in Sydney looking out prints because they think

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>they've got someone for rapes and maybe a murder, and

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth. And Oba went with the story,

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a huge story that Sunday which made the connection that

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>police had a fingerprint clue to the big nineteen sixty

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>six murders. Now that was true, but what a bummer

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>for the police because the police at that stage in

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the eighties were hoping to keep it secret that they

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>had the prints from the murder car. They were hoping

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to keep it secret that those prints had also turned

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>up at rape scenes in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne.

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>It's that connection between the nineteen sixty six double murder

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and these rapes in Melbourne in the seventies and eighties.

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That was the big link, the big connection, because it

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>was through a brilliant piece of police work that they

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>realized that their rapist from the eastern suburbs, a Donvale

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>rapist they called him, was in fact probably the Shepherd

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and killer. They would not have known that if it

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>had not been for a young, brilliant fingerprint man called

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Andy Wall. Now Andy Will was very young. He joined

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the police force after coming out from England as a youngster.

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>He came out with his parents. I think as a teenager.

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't even been in Australia when the murders happened

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty six. He had never heard of those murders. Naturally,

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>he joined the police force in the late seventies. He

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>goes to the finger print branch because he's very good

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>at that sort of detail and he's extremely skilled at it. Now,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>this is the pre computer era, so the police, like

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone else in those days, relied on human brains, human

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>memory to do things that now a machine will do.

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Andy Wall used to review prints from unsolved cases. They

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>would have sort of like a top ten or top

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty list, and they'd say, this is this murder, this

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>is that murder, this is this rape, whatever it might be,

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and here's the prince of the unknown crook. And now

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and again he would flick through these prints and he

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>would memorize them. And these particular ones associated with these

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>particular prints which had come from Gary Haywood's car, were

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>distinctive in some way that he was able to remember it. Now,

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>this is an astonishing feat of memory and eyesight. Andy

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Wall was looking through some fresh princes that had come

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>in from rapes in the Eastern suburbs. This is early eighties.

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>When he goes that looks for me that don Vale rape.

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>These princes have found on a fly screen at don Vale.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>They remind me of something and he goes, oh, I know,

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>and he goes over to the drawer where they keep

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>all their old stuff and he flicks her and he

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls out the secret prints from Gary Haywood's car, which

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>had been in that draw years before Andy Will even

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>arrived in Australia. But he'd somehow memorized them. He was

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>able to make the connection across all that time and space,

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and it was him who made the link, and that

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>is the link that ultimately caught the man who became

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>known later as mister Stinky for reasons we will shortly explore.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Bottom line is fingerprint work brilliant normal cop work at

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Sheperdon no good at all because the other really good

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>clue the police had, but they muffed it was the

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Mosburg rifle. Now, what they did was eventually they publicized

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they were looking for Mosburg semi automatic.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>That was good, probably, but what it meant was that

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>it brought in hundreds of tip offs, leads, whatever, people

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>getting in touch on all over Australia and saying, I know,

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Bill Smith, he's got a Mosburg. You know my brother

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>in law's got a Mosberg, and he's also got cross eyes,

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, all this stuff. And eventually it was very

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>confusing because when the police contacted the Mosburg factory or

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>manufacturers in America, they said, oh, no, we've only exported

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty of those semi automatics to Australia.

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Well that was true, the Mosburg factory had only exported

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty to Australia. But what they didn't

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>realize was that independent dealers had brought in hundreds of others.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.719
<v Speaker 1>There were many hundreds of them, not thousands, but many hundreds,

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and so over some months the police had volunteered to

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>them I think three hundred and fifty two or three

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty three Mosburg semi automatics. And what they

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>would do they would come to Sheperdon one way or

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>another and the police would have a bucket of water

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>under the fire stairs outside and they would shoot a

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>bullet into the bucket of water and then they would

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>keep the shell and they would retrieve the slug, and

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>they would hand it over to the ballistics experts to

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>look at the marks on them. And they were able

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to eliminate those three hundred and fifty three mossbergs. Well,

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that's all very well, and that's wonderful, But their problem

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was they needed the mossbergs that weren't being handed in.

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 1>They needed to find the people that had one who

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't turning up to have it tested. And here is

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>where they made a shocking basic error. Okay, gun laws

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>were fairly lax and open in those days, sure, but

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>there was a basic rule that is that gun dealers

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>selling new and used guns had to have a gun

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>dealer's book. They still have to have one, and every

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>time they sell one, they have to write in it

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>what it is, serial number, description, and the full name

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and details of the buyer. Now, if every gun dealer

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>has that book, it's a pretty good mud map of

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>who's got what gun out there in the world. Every

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 1>dealer in Victoria should have such a book, or did

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 1>have such a book. The police, in their wisdom or

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>lack of it, looked only at gun dealers books in

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Sheperdon or Sheperdon and Marupna or locally. Essentially, they didn't

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>go any further. Had they gone across the highway and

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>up a valley or two to other districts up in

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the northeast such as Bright and Myrtleford and those other

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>places Banella and these places are only you know, within

0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>an hour hour and a half drive, not that far,

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>they would have found a sports store at Myrtleford that

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>had sold a Mossburg semi automatic model K back a

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>few years earlier, like in the late fifties, so only

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>eight years earlier, something like that, seven years earlier to

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a man called Edmunds, a man called Harold Edmonds, who

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 1>was the father of Raymond Edmonds. And had they done

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>that in those first few weeks and tracked down mister

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Edmunds Senor and said where's that rifle, he would obviously

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>have had to say, well, my son owns that rifle.

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I gove to him, and he's a chief armer at

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Ardmona near Shepherd. And at that point the police would

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>get very interested and they would go over and knock

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>on the door at MNA and say where's Raymond Edmunds,

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and where's his rifle, and that would have just about

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>solved the whole thing then, But they didn't do that.

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>They didn't do that, they didn't go through the gun

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>dealer's books, and so a very strange thing happened. Somebody

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>did go out to the farm where Raymond Edmunds was working.

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Raymond Edmonds was a young cheer farmer. He was out

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>on a farm at Ardmona was owned by people called Gorn,

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 1>and he share farm. That meant he lived in a

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.799
<v Speaker 1>house on the property. He would milk the cows for

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:29.959
<v Speaker 1>the people and I would split the milk check every

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>month of Salaga. You're not on wages, you're co farming.

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 1>And Edmunds had grown up milking cows around the place

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and in You're a bit about farming and so on.

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>He had lived at Mona since about nineteen sixty three

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>with his very young wife. He was very young himself,

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 1>but his wife, Leslie was even younger, and they had

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 1>three tiny little kids, all close together. And he was

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>a moody, brutal, nasty piece of work. But he was

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.720
<v Speaker 1>also a few other things. He was physically very strong.

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>The Gorn family remembered that had a heavy duty trailer

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>there that they could hook behind a tractor or behind

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 1>a truck, and that he could lift the toe bar

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 1>of it quite easily, and it took two other men

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to do it. He was a crack shot, very good shot,

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and he had a semi automatic rifle. Now, some months

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:35.280
<v Speaker 1>before the murders, young Stuart Gorn, son of the farm owner,

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>had rushed over and knocked on the door of the

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>sheer farmer's house and said, Ray Ray you're there. I've

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>just moved the pig stye and he's a heap of

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>rats there. Can you get your rifle and we'll shoot

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the rats. Now, this is what people on farms do.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>You've moved something at a pig stye, you move haystack,

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that is going to be rats and snakes

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and rabbits and all sorts of things, and what you

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>do is shoot them. And normally Stuart Gorn, who was

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>a teenager, and this young cher farmer Raymond Edmonds, would

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>grab guns rifles and they would shoot things with great glee.

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But on this particular occasion, and this was some months

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>before February nineteen sixty six, ray Edmond said no, no, no,

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>just closed the door on him, and that was very

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting because normally he would have been very keen, but

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.400
<v Speaker 1>on this occasion he closed down the whole topic of shooting.

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>And years later, when the truth all came out, it

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>turns out that there's a good reason for that, and

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the good reason was he had sorn the barrel of

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>he's twenty two. Raymond Edmonds had sworn off his own

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty two. And that, of course, is something that no

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>legit farmer does. It is a criminal act committed by

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody who wants to hide their weapon in a coat

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 1>pocket or in a car door or something like that,

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so that it's easily hidden, easily transportable, and can be

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.879
<v Speaker 1>used to do bad things like rob people or hold

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>them up or whatever. And so the fact that Raymond

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Edmonds owned a Mosburg rifle was just one of the

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:22.320
<v Speaker 1>greatest clues of all time. A policeman did go out

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:27.720
<v Speaker 1>to the farm at Gorn's at Mona about seven weeks

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>after the murders. What we don't know is why that

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 1>policeman did that. I did once speak to this policeman.

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>His name was Joe Ogden. He ended up living at

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Banella and he died there a few years ago. Good

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>wealth respected he told me that he couldn't remember anything

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>about any of it, which might be true, but clearly

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>there'd been some form of tip off, and that would

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>be one of two things. Probably he'd either been told

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that a young fellow called Edmunds lived at Mona and

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>he had a Mosbog rifle, or he'd been told that

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Edmunds drove a new Falcon Sedan, which he did a

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>red Falcon, and that Sudan might have been seen around

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>town at the appropriate time of the murders. Probably they

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.720
<v Speaker 1>would be the most likely things to make a policeman

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>go out to check Ray Edmonds. But when he gets

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>there in probably May or June of nineteen sixty six,

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>and he asks where Ray Edmonds is Raymond Edmunds by name,

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>he had his name that would indicate car registration or

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the gun dealer's book, one or the other. You'd think

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 1>the Gorns the owner said, oh, he's left. He left

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 1>us suddenly, Oh yeah, where's he gone? Oh, come in

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>here and we'll show you. So he walks in to

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>the office at the Gorns farm and they look in

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>their book and there it is. He's moved up to

0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>may Rung, which is near Finley, New South Wales working

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>for people called Clark at a farm called Sunny Banks

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>or Sunny whatever. And there it is. There's the address,

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>there's the name of the farmer's phone number. It's all

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 1>there now. Finley, of course, and may Rung. Finley is

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 1>in New South Wales. It's just over the Murray River.

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>It is only one hundred and thirty nine kilometers from Sheperdon,

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>which is funnily enough, about one hour and a half

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>driving time. It wasn't that far away. But it is

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a different state and a different jurisdiction. Now. Had Raymond

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Edmonds moved south, had he gone to Hamilton or to Gippsland,

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>probably they would have looked him up. But what happened

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>was Joe Ogden, old copper, said oh, I'll get the

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 1>boys up there to look him up, no worries, and

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that did not happen. What we don't know is is

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 1>what went wrong. Did Ogden get in touch with the

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales Police They didn't help this, didn't go

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and check, or did the New South Wales Police go

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:10.280
<v Speaker 1>out to the farm up at Finley Mayrong and find

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Raymond Edmunds working away milk and cows and interview him

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>about whatever was that your red falcon or where's your

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 1>rifle or something? And possibly they did, and possibly Raymond

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Edmunds just told them a good lie and got away

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 1>with it because he was a pretty clean liar. And

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>if he'd said something like, oh, yeah, I did have

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>a rifle like that, but you know, I lost it

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>three years ago, I sold it to a bloke or

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>whatever that might have been. That we will never know

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>what really happened there. But what we do know is

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the police did have Raymond Edmond's name in Sheperdon in

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:54.399
<v Speaker 1>the weeks after the murders and it all went wrong.

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 1>They never nailed him. What went wrong? Well, whatever it was,

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>it cost more than thirty women peace of mind because

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>they were savagely raped in very distressing circumstances. Because Edmonds

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>became a prolific rapist. He would hide in the eastern

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>suburbs of Melbourne. He would hide and wait and watch.

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 1>He would sometimes crawl under people's houses and he would

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>know when young wives. He would pick young wives with

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>little kids, usually whose husbands would work night shift or

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>were away. He would know what they were doing. He

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>would hear them talking. He would watch the husband's drive

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>off to go to work, and then he would strike.

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>And the implication always was that if there were little

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.720
<v Speaker 1>children in the house, that he might hurt the children

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>if the children's mothers did not go along with him.

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And so he was very predatory, very ruthless, very cunning,

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>and very frightening. There's no doubt that he raped more

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 1>than thirty women, and it might be, you know, sixty,

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it might be seventy. We will never know how many

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>women he attacked in the many years that he was

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.799
<v Speaker 1>on the loose, because he was on the loose for

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 1>nineteen years between the murders and his ultimate arrest. Ultimately,

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>he was charged only with five of those rapes and

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 1>convicted of five of them. In recent times they've added

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>some more to it, probably not all of them. So

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>how did he finally get arrested? Well, in the end,

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.399
<v Speaker 1>he was sort of like the shark who jumps into

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<v Speaker 1>the boat, because what happens is in early nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>a shop assistant in Albury, just over the border in

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales, looks out and sees a man exposing

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<v Speaker 1>himself in a car parked in the street in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a busy morning in Aubury. She rings the

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<v Speaker 1>local police. The police turn up. They grab this bloke

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<v Speaker 1>who's just a bloke in overalls or something and he's

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<v Speaker 1>fell con station wagon or whatever, and they take him

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<v Speaker 1>down to the cop shop in Aubury, New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>police and because it's New South Wales, they automatically fingerprint him,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not what happens in Victoria. In those days

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't get printed automatically, but in New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>she did. Had he done this across the river three

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<v Speaker 1>minutes away in Wodonga, he would not have been fingerprinted.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's Aubrey. They print him fine. The princess sent

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<v Speaker 1>to the Central Database Registry Fingerprint Bureau, which is in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was. It's up north somewhere, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter where, and there routinely a fingerprint person looks at

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<v Speaker 1>it and he goes, hang on, I can match this up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that one they're looking for. That's the one that's

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<v Speaker 1>mixed up with the murder and rapes Invictoria. And he

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<v Speaker 1>holds it up. The next thing, he gets in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with his people, and his people get in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>the Victorians, and the Victorians go, oh my goodness mate,

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<v Speaker 1>because in Victoria they had a task force looking for

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<v Speaker 1>mister Stinky. They had several detectives working on it. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a database full of names from gas bills and

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<v Speaker 1>electricity bills and every database you can think of, because

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<v Speaker 1>computers were just coming in and they thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to find him eventually by working out who lived

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<v Speaker 1>at Sheperdon in the sixties, who'd moved to these other

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<v Speaker 1>places east of Melbourne where the rapes were in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and eighties, and that eventually they would work out

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<v Speaker 1>who was on that list and they would interview them

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<v Speaker 1>all and find the bad guy. And they probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have had they been given enough time, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to because Raymond Edmonds exposed himself in Aubury and

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<v Speaker 1>so in the end what happened was the task force

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<v Speaker 1>that had spent months looking for him just went around

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<v Speaker 1>and knocked on his door down in a bayside suburb

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<v Speaker 1>of Melbourne where he was working in a small factory

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<v Speaker 1>I think making gates of fences or something, and they

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<v Speaker 1>rested him. And that was I think Friday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>second of March of nineteen eighty five, which is forty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and the rest, as I say, is history.

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<v Speaker 1>He ends up planning guilty and he gets sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>life with no parole. And on this occasion, on this occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>that has worked. Unlike the puzzling case of Lowry and

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<v Speaker 1>King in the Roslyn Naughty Murders, mister Stinky Raymond Edmonds

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<v Speaker 1>has stayed under lock and key all these years. He's

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<v Speaker 1>now eighty one. He's still in there and I think

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<v Speaker 1>he'll stay there until he comes out in a pine

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<v Speaker 1>box or on a walking stick. Thanks for listening. Life

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