1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: What brought him undone was fingerprints, specifically the genius of 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: those people who could memorize them. The police assumed later 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: that he was the only person with a strong motive 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: and that fact screwed up the investigation for a long time. 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: And he thought if he drags in other young people 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: and belts enough of them, that one of them is 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: going to tell him something that will lead to the killer. 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew rule is his life in crimes. It's forty 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: years since Raymond Ebens, mister Stinky was locked up in 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: Penridg Prison. He was put there on remand for a 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: terrible crime for the double murder of Gary Haywood and 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: Abina Medill at Shepperton back in nineteen sixty six. So 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: this Listeners is a man who was on the loose 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: for nineteen years around Victoria and around Australia, and the 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: fact is that he should have been caught in the 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: first few weeks. Our listeners, we have looked at the 17 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: case of mister Stinky Raymond Edmunds several times before, but 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: it's a long involved story with many aspects on What 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: we didn't do on the other occasions was look at 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: everything that the police did and also what they didn't 21 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: do today we do a bit of that. Currently, Raymond 22 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: Edmonds is back in the news after all these years 23 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: because he and others like Julian Knight and other high 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: profile high security prisoners, it looks as if they will 25 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: be moved to medium security prisons to make room for 26 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: the rising number of young offenders who are going to 27 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: be placed on remand instead of being grant to bail. 28 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: And that is what makes this story more relevant this 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: month than it was. I now propose to tell the 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: story of mister Stinky in not so many words. After 31 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: the first round of interviews, they took the Quiet Killer 32 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: to the remand Yard Pentridge for his first taste of 33 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. It was early nineteen eighty 34 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: five and Raymond Edmonds had never been in jail before, 35 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: and he's never been out of one since. They call 36 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: him mister Stinky, and he's one of the damned, those 37 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: destined to stay inside until they die or a so 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: frail they're beyond committing harm. He's eighty one now, the 39 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: flabby old man who was once a cunning and ruthless predator, 40 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: and so he's close to his use by date. Unlike 41 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: some lifers if he's moved from a high security prison 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: to make way for young remand prisoners hardly going to 43 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: be a security risk. So it's exactly forty years since 44 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: Edmonds was locked up in Penridge the first time. He 45 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: fronted the City Court on April the eighth, nineteen eighty five, 46 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: be remanded back in custody to await the trial that 47 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: would put him away for life with no parole. For 48 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: almost twenty years, Edmonds had gotten away with a double 49 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: murder that shocked Australia. He probably wouldn't have been caught 50 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: at all, except that his twisted urges had driven him 51 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: to rape dozens of women in Melbourne's Eastern suburbs over 52 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: fourteen years. Even then, he might have gotten away with it. 53 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: What brought him undone was fingerprints, specifically the genius of 54 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: those people who could memorize them, who could read fingerprints 55 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: and recall them. That's what caught mister Stinky. At one 56 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: of the rape scenes at Donvale in the nineteen seventies, 57 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: the then unknown rapist left a print on a fly screen. 58 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: With a little lark and some brilliant police work, the 59 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: print was later matched with an unidentified partial print taken 60 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: from a car at Shepperton two decades earlier. The print 61 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: on the car was found and kept secret after the 62 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: abduction and murder of Sheperdon teenagers Gary Haywood and Abina 63 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: Medil on a summer night in nineteen sixty six. Gary 64 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: Haywood was eighteen. He was an apprentice in the family 65 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: panel works. He was an apprentice panel beater. His father 66 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: was a panel beater and his uncle owned the panel works, 67 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: the biggest panel works in the Goblin Valley. I think 68 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: a Beena Medil was just sixteen. She'd left school just 69 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: the previous year and had just spent the first few 70 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: months of her first job working in the office at 71 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Haywood's panel works. Chance had brought these two workmates together 72 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: at a pop concert at the Shepherdon Civic Center on 73 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: that Thursday night, February tenth, nineteen sixty six. Older listeners 74 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: will recall that this was just four days before the 75 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: introduction of decimal currency. Decimal currency would come in on Monday, 76 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: February the fourteenth. This was four days earlier, so these 77 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: two youngsters were abducted and murdered with pound shillings and 78 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: pence in their pockets and by the time their bodies 79 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: were found a couple of weeks later. The people that 80 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: found them were carrying dollars and cents. That was right 81 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: on the cusp of the new era in Australia, and 82 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: this crime in some respects marked the end of innocence. 83 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: On that night, that Thursday night in Sheperdon, Gary's girlfriend, 84 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: Gail didn't want to go out because it was the 85 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: night before payday, and she assumed wrongly that he Gary 86 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't go out either, But she didn't know that he 87 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: wanted to go out because he didn't tell her. He 88 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: dropped her home after work and then away he went 89 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: in his British racing green FJ Holden, which he'd done 90 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: up himself for most beautiful car that everyone in Sheperdon 91 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: knew and many admired. Abina Medill's boyfriend, Ian Urkert was 92 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: a mechanic at a local tractor dealership. He was working 93 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: late that night trying to get a tractor running for 94 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: a farmer or orchidist, and so he had to work 95 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: late into the night, could not go to the pop 96 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: concert with Abina, and probably that cost her her life. 97 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: It was just one of those things because in the 98 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: absence of Gary that was working. I went to the 99 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: concert at the Sheperdon Civic Center. It was a very 100 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: big concert. Shep was a big place, still is a 101 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: big place, but it was a place that ran big 102 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: rock and roll events. At the civic center, two or 103 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: three thousand teenagers would flock there from all over the 104 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: River Arena, from the Murray River region, from Bendigo right 105 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: over there, Yarrawonga. They would come to Shepperton to see 106 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: pretty big acts in Norman Row would play there. MPD 107 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: Limited would play there. Eyvon Barrett would play there. A 108 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of nineteen sixties rock and roll and pop acts 109 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: that appeared on television would end up performing at Shepardon 110 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: because it really was one of the biggesttual centers outside 111 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: the capitals. So on this night, while roadies unloaded the 112 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: gear for four different acts that were playing that night, 113 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Gary Haywood tall, fair haired, charming, good looking, popular, popular 114 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: with girls. Popular with these mates, He persuaded a beaner 115 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: and a friend of hers to drive around town in 116 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: his immaculate FJ. Holden. They were probably pleased to be 117 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: seen going around with him in his flash car. They 118 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: just left school, and you know, he was a pretty 119 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: big deal. So it was all harmless teenage stuff until 120 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't because at some point that night and we 121 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: don't have to chase every rabbit down every burrow here, 122 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: but at some point that night they were parked next 123 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: to Victoria Park Lake, which is the lake right in 124 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: the middle of Sheperdon, and there are trees around at 125 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: this parkland and it's a natural place to go park 126 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: to look at the water and the sunset and all 127 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: that sort of good stuff. It was while they were 128 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: parked there at some point in the evening that Raymond Edmonds, 129 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: a young man of twenty two at this stage, abducted 130 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: them at gunpoint and forced we imagine this is what 131 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: he did. He forced Gary Haywood to drive the three 132 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: of them to Murchison East, which is about thirty seven 133 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: kilometers south of Sheperdon. It's quite a drive now. Merch East, 134 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: as they call it locally, Merchison East is an area 135 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: that was sort of between the old Highway, the Goblin 136 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Valley Highway and the River Golbin. And particularly back in 137 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: those days, that whole district that had lots of bush 138 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: paddocks along the river. There were hundreds of acres along 139 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: the river with river red gums on them. I think 140 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: a lot of it might be crown land or parkland. 141 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: And in those days local farmers would rent this land 142 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: to run cattle in at certain times of the year. 143 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: And it was to one of these places, one of 144 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: these bush paddicks, that Edmonds forced Gary Haywood to drive. 145 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: Presumably Edmunds had been there before, it must have known 146 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: where it was. There was what they call a cocky gate. 147 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: That's just a little gate, not a real gate. It's 148 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: just made up of little light posts and fencing wire. 149 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: It was pulled down and they drove through. They left 150 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: it down and they drove into the bush paddock. No 151 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: one else knew that they were there. No one knew 152 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: anything about that. Meanwhile, back in Sheperdon later that night, 153 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: by about midnight, people are starting to panic. The Medill 154 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: family are very worried about Abina. She was supposed to 155 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: be with her younger sister. They were supposed to be 156 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: picked up by their father Fred, and Abuna's gone a 157 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Buna's missing. The Medile parents are obviously very worried. They're 158 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: quite probably quite annoyed and angry. And then as the 159 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: night wore on and there was no sign of her. 160 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: They became more and more fearful. Meanwhile, Ian Urkert, who 161 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: is emotionally Abena's boyfriend, he's finished work, he's cleaned up, 162 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: we got all the great and stuff off, had a shower, 163 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: got changed and he and one of his mates has 164 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: gone off to a particular cafe or whatever to wait 165 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: for a beana to finish at the concert too, so 166 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: he also is looking for a beaner. He hears from 167 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: one of his other friends that she's been driving around 168 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: with Gary Haywood and his mates. This makes him quite angry. 169 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: He goes around to I think Haywood's place, Similar goes 170 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: around somewhere to a house in Sheperdon where he thinks 171 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: Heywood might be, and he's saying things like I'll kill 172 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: that bastard, I'll kill him. He's not happy, and that threat, 173 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: which is the sort of threat that a teenager is 174 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: going to make about a rival boyfriend, was held against 175 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: him for a long time because the police assumed later 176 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: that he was the only person with a strong motive 177 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: to harm Gary Haywood and have been a madill, and 178 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: that fact screwed up the investigation for a long time. 179 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: The night wears on sometime before dawn. Local policeman Frank 180 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: Ayir as in e y A. Frank Air been a 181 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: copper around Sheperdon, forever, good bloke. Everybody knew him, everybody 182 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: liked him. He is on night shift and he lives 183 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: around the lake routine patrol, and he sees Gary Haywood's 184 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: F J. Holden parked near the lake and he jumps out. 185 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: This is just before dawn, it's quite early in the morning. 186 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: He jumps out and he puts his hand in front 187 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: of the radiator at the front of the seat. It's warm, 188 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: and it wasn't. It was quite cold, which suggests that 189 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: the car had been there for several hours, which makes sense. 190 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: We're thinking that when the bad thing happened around midnight, 191 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: within half an hour, the car would be back in 192 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: Sheperdon less than half an hour possibly and abandoned there 193 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: probably by one am or something like that. And so 194 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: by the time Frank Air gets to it, it's cold. 195 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: But interestingly, the car is left open, it's not locked, 196 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: and it is parked crookedly. It's not neatly parked up 197 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: against the curb with the front wheels angle correctly, It's 198 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: been left very carelessly, and as soon as Gary Haywood's 199 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: father and his brother saw it, they knew that something 200 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: very bad had happened because they knew that there. Gary 201 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: would not leave his car sitting there. He wouldn't park 202 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: it like that, and he would not abandon it, and 203 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: he certainly wouldn't leave town and run away without taking 204 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: the car. And the other fact that goes to their 205 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: theory is that he was over to day's wages. Friday 206 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: was payday. He's gone missing on a Thursday night. So 207 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: there is no way that Gary Haywood He's going to 208 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: skip town without his pay and skip town and leave 209 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: his beautiful car that he spent hundreds of hours doing up. 210 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: His family knew from that first few hours that something 211 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: had gone tragically wrong, that if he wasn't dead, he 212 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: was certainly being held against his will. Gary's girlfriend, Gail, 213 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: totally agrees with the Haywood family. She knew he wouldn't 214 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: leave without the car. She knew he wouldn't leave without 215 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: his pay. She never thought for a second that he'd 216 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: run away from town. And so the initial police theories 217 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: that you know, two young lovers have bolted were nonsense. 218 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: They were never a goer, because what are they going 219 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: to bolt in and what are they going to bolt with? 220 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: No money, no car, crazy stuff. They were young, they 221 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: were teenagers, but they had regular jobs. They are from regular, 222 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: hard working families. They weren't just going to run away 223 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: from shepardon. They weren't the type. But the police initially 224 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: didn't realize that. The first thing the police do is 225 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: they drag in a Bena's boyfriend, Ian Urka, the young mechanic, 226 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: and his best mate. They dragged them into the Shepherd 227 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: and Police repeatedly, not just next day, but the day 228 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: after that, and the day after that, and someone regularly. 229 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: And this is a pretty ugly scene because one of 230 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: these local policemen is a detective called Peter Parkinson. That 231 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: name is Peter Parkinson, and he was a smooth but 232 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: very tough man. I met him when he was a 233 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: middle aged man, about twenty years after these events, and 234 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: by this stage he was a retired policeman. But you 235 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: could see that he had been a pretty hard case. 236 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: He'd started life Peter Parkinson up in the Riverina, I 237 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: think in farming district. He'd been a shearer who could 238 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: win his share of fights in the local pubs against 239 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: other shearers, and when the boxing tents came to town he 240 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: could win fights with the gloves on. And then he 241 00:16:54,760 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: joined the police force and rapidly became a detective. And 242 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: that would be code for he was an old school 243 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: detective who was a bash artist and didn't mind copying 244 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: a quid of corrupt money. He was posted to Sheperdon 245 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: interestingly earlier in the sixties after a stinting the homicide 246 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: squad in Melbourne. Now that may or may not mean anything. 247 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: The posting might be as he said it was because 248 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: he had a child that had asthma and that his 249 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: family needed to move to a warmer climate where the 250 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: asthma would not be such a problem. That may well 251 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: be true, however, Interestingly, in the nineteen sixties, the Victorian 252 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: homicide Squad was led by two men, one called Jack Ford, 253 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: one called Jack Matthews, and they were crooks. They were 254 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: crooks who had a big finger in the pie of 255 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: illegal abortions. Because abortions were illegal, there there was so 256 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: much money to be made in performing illegal abortions, and 257 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: the homicide Squad essentially franchised that because they could go 258 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: easy on particular abortionists. That his doctors who would perform 259 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: abortions for cash, providing they got kickbacks, and so effectively 260 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: the homicide squad ran the abortion racket in Victoria, and 261 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: a very good racket it was. It was right up there, 262 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: just behind sp bookmaking and very similar in some ways, 263 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: very like the current tobacco shop shop shops, the illicit 264 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: tobacco trade. And it might be that Peter Parkinson had 265 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: been mixed up in that sort of stuff and then 266 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: was transferred to sheperd and to get him out of 267 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: the way. I don't know, but he certainly had a 268 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: few bad habits. He tended to be more a bash 269 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: artist and a standover man there then a sleuth, and 270 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: he was an opportunist. And when this happened, he said, well, 271 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm a local detective, I'm here at SHP, I know everybody. 272 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: I also have had experience in homicide squad. And so 273 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: they sort of made this guy the de facto head 274 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: of the de facto investigation. Once all the homicide guys 275 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: went back to Melbourne, Parkinson became the de facto leader 276 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: of the investigation and it didn't go that well. And 277 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: it didn't go well because they really didn't run an 278 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: investigation on scientific lines, or at least Parkinson did not. 279 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: He was just keen on the idea that someone close 280 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: to Gary Haywood must have done it or know something 281 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: about it. And he thought, if he drags in Urkit, 282 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: and he drags in Gary Haywood's mates, and he drags 283 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: in other young people that knew other young people and 284 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: belts enough of them that one of them is going 285 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: to tell him something that will lead to the killer. Now, 286 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: that's fine if any of them knew anything. But they 287 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: didn't because it wasn't one of them. It was not 288 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: anyone to do with the dead kids. It was a 289 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: total outlier, not someone from Melbourne or Sydney or from Queensland. 290 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: But it was a total outlier. It was not one 291 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: of their social group. It takes sixteen days for the 292 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: bodies to be found, and in that time there is 293 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: a great kerfuffle. It becomes the biggest story in Australia. 294 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: I would suspect I was. I was nine years old 295 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: at the time that this happened, and I can recall 296 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: the story in the newspapers, I can recall it on 297 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: radio and television. It was certainly one of the biggest 298 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: stories of my primary school years, and it was riveting 299 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: because basically it was the sort of thing that didn't 300 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: really happen much in Australia. Although it was only about 301 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: two weeks after the Beaumont children met missing in Adelaide. 302 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: So in one summer in Australia, within the two weeks 303 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: between Australia Day and the tenth of February, we've had 304 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: two of the biggest abduction murders that have ever happened 305 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: in this country. Despite all the searches that the police arranged, 306 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: volunteers went out. They closed down I think one of 307 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: the big canaries up there, and all the people went 308 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: searching along the river banks. The local pony club has 309 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: all got together and rode ponies and horses through bush. 310 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: Everybody who could went out searching for these kids, for 311 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: the missing pair. Didn't find a thing. What happened is 312 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: that two weeks later, on Saturday, the twenty sixth of February, 313 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: two teenagers from Melbourne came up to Murchison. One of 314 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: these two boys had a relative living at Murchison. His 315 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: relative was a farmer and this young bloke and his mate, 316 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: his mate was I think Peter Jacobi. They would come 317 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: up on the train from Melbourne from Spencer Street station 318 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: as it was then known, and they would bring with 319 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: them a twenty two rifle and a shotgun or something, 320 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: as you used to do in those days, and they 321 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: would go shooting on the relatives farm out at Murchison East, 322 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: and they'd hop off the train at Murchison and they'd 323 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: walk to the paddocks, the bush paddocks where they would 324 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: shoot rabbits and stuff. And when they got sick of 325 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: it and got hungry and thirsty, they would go across 326 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: the paddox to granddads or uncles or whoever it was. 327 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: And on this day they're shooting away at rabbits and 328 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: they smell something and then they find the body. They 329 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: find a ben and Medill's body, which is a shocking thing. 330 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: It's been in the summer heat for sixteen days. The 331 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: body is only half closed, all the bottom garments are removed, 332 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and she spread eagled on the ground. And of course 333 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: all the flies and the ants and the animals have 334 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: got involved in the body, so it's a terrible, terrible sight. 335 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: The boys are shocked and distressed. They run across country, 336 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: I think for probably almost two kilometers and raise the 337 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: alarm with the relatives and with the local policemen. Local 338 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: policeman comes down with the local farmer and the farmer says, 339 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: funny thing. I was down near that clump of saplings 340 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: over there, a few hundred meters away the other day, 341 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: and I smelt something dead and I thought it must 342 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: be a dead kangaroo or a dead dog. Maybe somebody 343 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: shot a dog. And the policeman said, doesn't sound good, 344 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: and they headed over there, and sure enough, that's when 345 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: they found Gary Haywood's body. Gary Haywood had been shot 346 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: through the head. There was a neat bullet hole in 347 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: his head. And subsequently, when a site was searched by 348 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: the forensic ballistics experts, they found I think two at 349 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: least two twenty two shells that matched each other. And subsequently, 350 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: of course, when the post mortems were done, they were 351 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: able to retrieve the lead bullet or slug from Gary 352 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: Haywood's skull, which forensics were able to examine and they 353 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: could see the rifling marks on the bullet. They could 354 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: also check the firing pin marks on the shells. The 355 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: police also found a small plastic what they call a beetle. 356 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: It was a small piece of plastic trim from a 357 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: particular sort of rifle. And by the time the experts 358 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: looked at the bullet, the shells, and this piece of plastic, 359 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: they were able to narrow down the search for a 360 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: rifle or a make of rifle to a Mosburg semi automatic, 361 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: probably what they call a model three point fifty two 362 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: K I think was called. But they were able to 363 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: narrow it down to a very tight group of Mosburg 364 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: twenty two rifles. So there were more than one hundred 365 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: rifle makes in the police library, but within days they 366 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: knew what sort of rifle they were looking for. Now, 367 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: initially they kept that secret, but it was probably the 368 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: best clue of all. Meanwhile, there is some other good 369 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: police work happening. A lot of bad police work's happening, 370 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: but there's some very good police work, and that is 371 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: Peter Parkinson, the bash artist detective. He did one good thing. 372 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: He got Gary Haywood's FJ Holden and he carefully got 373 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: in it without putting his hands everywhere, and he drove 374 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: it to shed at the Shepherd And Police station and 375 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: locked it up so that the forensic experts could come 376 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: and have a good look at it. They came there, 377 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: they dusted the whole car and they got several sets 378 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: of prints. Now, the big thing with that is you 379 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: have to eliminate the prince. So they were able to 380 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: eliminate Ben and Medill's prince, Gary Haywood's own prince, Gary 381 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: Haywood's brothers, Allan's prince, Gary Haywood's father, I think, Charlie 382 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: his prince, and even Gary Howood's girlfriend. Gail, the expert. 383 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: Fingerprint expert went out to see her at her place 384 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: and she said, the last time I saw Gary, he'd 385 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: dropped me off home here on that Thursday afternoon after work, 386 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: and as he was backing out of the drive, I 387 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: put my hands on the bonnet and pretended to push 388 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: the car, and so my prince will be right there 389 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: on the bonnet, and indeed they were. The fingerprinting expert 390 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: found her prince and he said, that's great, you're the 391 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: last set of unidentified prints on his car. And that 392 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: was a white lie. What he was doing was obscuring 393 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: the fact that there was one other set of unidentified 394 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: prints on the car, and it was that other set 395 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: of unidentified prince that would help, many years later solve 396 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: this whole murder and a series of rapes. It was 397 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny pair of prints. It was just from 398 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: two fingers, but it wasn't even the top of the fingers. 399 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: It was the second joint down and it was just 400 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: a very small patch on the car. And they kept 401 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: it secret that they had it, and that stayed secret 402 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: for many years until the early nineteen eighties, when an 403 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: enterprising reporter called Steve Ober managed to winkle the truth 404 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: out of a New South Wales police contact O bar 405 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: in two would hear just a tiny mention of something? 406 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: He heard a senior policeman say something quietly to another 407 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: reporter about Sheperdon and Obar, who was an American. I 408 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: remember him quite well. He was a very popular figure 409 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: in journalism in Melbourne in those days. He was a 410 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: tabloid expert. He worked for the Sunday Press and Steve 411 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: Ober had contacts everywhere and he was very friendly with people. 412 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: And he rang a policeman in New South Wales and said, 413 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I've just heard something about a case at Sheperdon and fingerprints. 414 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: Have you heard anything? The blug said, hang on a 415 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: minute and checked with somebody, and he got back to 416 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: Obar and said yes, indeed, a couple of Victorian detectives 417 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: have been in Sydney looking out prints because they think 418 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: they've got someone for rapes and maybe a murder, and 419 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. And Oba went with the story, 420 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: a huge story that Sunday which made the connection that 421 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: police had a fingerprint clue to the big nineteen sixty 422 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: six murders. Now that was true, but what a bummer 423 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: for the police because the police at that stage in 424 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: the eighties were hoping to keep it secret that they 425 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: had the prints from the murder car. They were hoping 426 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: to keep it secret that those prints had also turned 427 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: up at rape scenes in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. 428 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: It's that connection between the nineteen sixty six double murder 429 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: and these rapes in Melbourne in the seventies and eighties. 430 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: That was the big link, the big connection, because it 431 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: was through a brilliant piece of police work that they 432 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: realized that their rapist from the eastern suburbs, a Donvale 433 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: rapist they called him, was in fact probably the Shepherd 434 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: and killer. They would not have known that if it 435 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: had not been for a young, brilliant fingerprint man called 436 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Andy Wall. Now Andy Will was very young. He joined 437 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: the police force after coming out from England as a youngster. 438 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: He came out with his parents. I think as a teenager. 439 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: He hadn't even been in Australia when the murders happened 440 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six. He had never heard of those murders. Naturally, 441 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: he joined the police force in the late seventies. He 442 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: goes to the finger print branch because he's very good 443 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: at that sort of detail and he's extremely skilled at it. Now, 444 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: this is the pre computer era, so the police, like 445 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: everyone else in those days, relied on human brains, human 446 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: memory to do things that now a machine will do. 447 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: Andy Wall used to review prints from unsolved cases. They 448 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: would have sort of like a top ten or top 449 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: twenty list, and they'd say, this is this murder, this 450 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: is that murder, this is this rape, whatever it might be, 451 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: and here's the prince of the unknown crook. And now 452 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: and again he would flick through these prints and he 453 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: would memorize them. And these particular ones associated with these 454 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: particular prints which had come from Gary Haywood's car, were 455 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: distinctive in some way that he was able to remember it. Now, 456 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: this is an astonishing feat of memory and eyesight. Andy 457 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: Wall was looking through some fresh princes that had come 458 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: in from rapes in the Eastern suburbs. This is early eighties. 459 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: When he goes that looks for me that don Vale rape. 460 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: These princes have found on a fly screen at don Vale. 461 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: They remind me of something and he goes, oh, I know, 462 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: and he goes over to the drawer where they keep 463 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: all their old stuff and he flicks her and he 464 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: pulls out the secret prints from Gary Haywood's car, which 465 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: had been in that draw years before Andy Will even 466 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: arrived in Australia. But he'd somehow memorized them. He was 467 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: able to make the connection across all that time and space, 468 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: and it was him who made the link, and that 469 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: is the link that ultimately caught the man who became 470 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: known later as mister Stinky for reasons we will shortly explore. 471 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: Bottom line is fingerprint work brilliant normal cop work at 472 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: Sheperdon no good at all because the other really good 473 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: clue the police had, but they muffed it was the 474 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: Mosburg rifle. Now, what they did was eventually they publicized 475 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they were looking for Mosburg semi automatic. 476 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: That was good, probably, but what it meant was that 477 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: it brought in hundreds of tip offs, leads, whatever, people 478 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: getting in touch on all over Australia and saying, I know, 479 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: Bill Smith, he's got a Mosburg. You know my brother 480 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: in law's got a Mosberg, and he's also got cross eyes, 481 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, all this stuff. And eventually it was very 482 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: confusing because when the police contacted the Mosburg factory or 483 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: manufacturers in America, they said, oh, no, we've only exported 484 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty of those semi automatics to Australia. 485 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: Well that was true, the Mosburg factory had only exported 486 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty to Australia. But what they didn't 487 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: realize was that independent dealers had brought in hundreds of others. 488 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,719 Speaker 1: There were many hundreds of them, not thousands, but many hundreds, 489 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: and so over some months the police had volunteered to 490 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: them I think three hundred and fifty two or three 491 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three Mosburg semi automatics. And what they 492 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: would do they would come to Sheperdon one way or 493 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: another and the police would have a bucket of water 494 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: under the fire stairs outside and they would shoot a 495 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: bullet into the bucket of water and then they would 496 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: keep the shell and they would retrieve the slug, and 497 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: they would hand it over to the ballistics experts to 498 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: look at the marks on them. And they were able 499 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: to eliminate those three hundred and fifty three mossbergs. Well, 500 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: that's all very well, and that's wonderful, But their problem 501 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: was they needed the mossbergs that weren't being handed in. 502 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: They needed to find the people that had one who 503 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: wasn't turning up to have it tested. And here is 504 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: where they made a shocking basic error. Okay, gun laws 505 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: were fairly lax and open in those days, sure, but 506 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: there was a basic rule that is that gun dealers 507 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: selling new and used guns had to have a gun 508 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: dealer's book. They still have to have one, and every 509 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: time they sell one, they have to write in it 510 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: what it is, serial number, description, and the full name 511 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: and details of the buyer. Now, if every gun dealer 512 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: has that book, it's a pretty good mud map of 513 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: who's got what gun out there in the world. Every 514 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: dealer in Victoria should have such a book, or did 515 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: have such a book. The police, in their wisdom or 516 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: lack of it, looked only at gun dealers books in 517 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: Sheperdon or Sheperdon and Marupna or locally. Essentially, they didn't 518 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: go any further. Had they gone across the highway and 519 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: up a valley or two to other districts up in 520 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: the northeast such as Bright and Myrtleford and those other 521 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: places Banella and these places are only you know, within 522 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: an hour hour and a half drive, not that far, 523 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: they would have found a sports store at Myrtleford that 524 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: had sold a Mossburg semi automatic model K back a 525 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: few years earlier, like in the late fifties, so only 526 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: eight years earlier, something like that, seven years earlier to 527 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: a man called Edmunds, a man called Harold Edmonds, who 528 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: was the father of Raymond Edmonds. And had they done 529 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: that in those first few weeks and tracked down mister 530 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: Edmunds Senor and said where's that rifle, he would obviously 531 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: have had to say, well, my son owns that rifle. 532 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: I gove to him, and he's a chief armer at 533 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: Ardmona near Shepherd. And at that point the police would 534 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: get very interested and they would go over and knock 535 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: on the door at MNA and say where's Raymond Edmunds, 536 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: and where's his rifle, and that would have just about 537 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: solved the whole thing then, But they didn't do that. 538 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: They didn't do that, they didn't go through the gun 539 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: dealer's books, and so a very strange thing happened. Somebody 540 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: did go out to the farm where Raymond Edmunds was working. 541 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: Raymond Edmonds was a young cheer farmer. He was out 542 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: on a farm at Ardmona was owned by people called Gorn, 543 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: and he share farm. That meant he lived in a 544 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: house on the property. He would milk the cows for 545 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 1: the people and I would split the milk check every 546 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: month of Salaga. You're not on wages, you're co farming. 547 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: And Edmunds had grown up milking cows around the place 548 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: and in You're a bit about farming and so on. 549 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: He had lived at Mona since about nineteen sixty three 550 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: with his very young wife. He was very young himself, 551 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: but his wife, Leslie was even younger, and they had 552 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: three tiny little kids, all close together. And he was 553 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: a moody, brutal, nasty piece of work. But he was 554 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: also a few other things. He was physically very strong. 555 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: The Gorn family remembered that had a heavy duty trailer 556 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: there that they could hook behind a tractor or behind 557 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: a truck, and that he could lift the toe bar 558 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: of it quite easily, and it took two other men 559 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: to do it. He was a crack shot, very good shot, 560 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: and he had a semi automatic rifle. Now, some months 561 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: before the murders, young Stuart Gorn, son of the farm owner, 562 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: had rushed over and knocked on the door of the 563 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: sheer farmer's house and said, Ray Ray you're there. I've 564 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: just moved the pig stye and he's a heap of 565 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: rats there. Can you get your rifle and we'll shoot 566 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: the rats. Now, this is what people on farms do. 567 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: You've moved something at a pig stye, you move haystack, 568 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: stuff like that is going to be rats and snakes 569 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: and rabbits and all sorts of things, and what you 570 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: do is shoot them. And normally Stuart Gorn, who was 571 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: a teenager, and this young cher farmer Raymond Edmonds, would 572 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: grab guns rifles and they would shoot things with great glee. 573 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: But on this particular occasion, and this was some months 574 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: before February nineteen sixty six, ray Edmond said no, no, no, 575 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: just closed the door on him, and that was very 576 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: interesting because normally he would have been very keen, but 577 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: on this occasion he closed down the whole topic of shooting. 578 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: And years later, when the truth all came out, it 579 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: turns out that there's a good reason for that, and 580 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: the good reason was he had sorn the barrel of 581 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: he's twenty two. Raymond Edmonds had sworn off his own 582 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: twenty two. And that, of course, is something that no 583 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: legit farmer does. It is a criminal act committed by 584 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: somebody who wants to hide their weapon in a coat 585 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: pocket or in a car door or something like that, 586 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: so that it's easily hidden, easily transportable, and can be 587 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: used to do bad things like rob people or hold 588 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: them up or whatever. And so the fact that Raymond 589 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: Edmonds owned a Mosburg rifle was just one of the 590 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: greatest clues of all time. A policeman did go out 591 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: to the farm at Gorn's at Mona about seven weeks 592 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: after the murders. What we don't know is why that 593 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: policeman did that. I did once speak to this policeman. 594 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: His name was Joe Ogden. He ended up living at 595 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: Banella and he died there a few years ago. Good 596 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: wealth respected he told me that he couldn't remember anything 597 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: about any of it, which might be true, but clearly 598 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: there'd been some form of tip off, and that would 599 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: be one of two things. Probably he'd either been told 600 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: that a young fellow called Edmunds lived at Mona and 601 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: he had a Mosbog rifle, or he'd been told that 602 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: Edmunds drove a new Falcon Sedan, which he did a 603 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: red Falcon, and that Sudan might have been seen around 604 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: town at the appropriate time of the murders. Probably they 605 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,720 Speaker 1: would be the most likely things to make a policeman 606 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: go out to check Ray Edmonds. But when he gets 607 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: there in probably May or June of nineteen sixty six, 608 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: and he asks where Ray Edmonds is Raymond Edmunds by name, 609 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: he had his name that would indicate car registration or 610 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: the gun dealer's book, one or the other. You'd think 611 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: the Gorns the owner said, oh, he's left. He left 612 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: us suddenly, Oh yeah, where's he gone? Oh, come in 613 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: here and we'll show you. So he walks in to 614 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: the office at the Gorns farm and they look in 615 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: their book and there it is. He's moved up to 616 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: may Rung, which is near Finley, New South Wales working 617 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: for people called Clark at a farm called Sunny Banks 618 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: or Sunny whatever. And there it is. There's the address, 619 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: there's the name of the farmer's phone number. It's all 620 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: there now. Finley, of course, and may Rung. Finley is 621 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: in New South Wales. It's just over the Murray River. 622 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: It is only one hundred and thirty nine kilometers from Sheperdon, 623 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: which is funnily enough, about one hour and a half 624 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: driving time. It wasn't that far away. But it is 625 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: a different state and a different jurisdiction. Now. Had Raymond 626 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: Edmonds moved south, had he gone to Hamilton or to Gippsland, 627 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: probably they would have looked him up. But what happened 628 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: was Joe Ogden, old copper, said oh, I'll get the 629 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: boys up there to look him up, no worries, and 630 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: that did not happen. What we don't know is is 631 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: what went wrong. Did Ogden get in touch with the 632 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: New South Wales Police They didn't help this, didn't go 633 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: and check, or did the New South Wales Police go 634 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: out to the farm up at Finley Mayrong and find 635 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: Raymond Edmunds working away milk and cows and interview him 636 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: about whatever was that your red falcon or where's your 637 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: rifle or something? And possibly they did, and possibly Raymond 638 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: Edmunds just told them a good lie and got away 639 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: with it because he was a pretty clean liar. And 640 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: if he'd said something like, oh, yeah, I did have 641 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 1: a rifle like that, but you know, I lost it 642 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: three years ago, I sold it to a bloke or 643 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: whatever that might have been. That we will never know 644 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: what really happened there. But what we do know is 645 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: the police did have Raymond Edmond's name in Sheperdon in 646 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: the weeks after the murders and it all went wrong. 647 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: They never nailed him. What went wrong? Well, whatever it was, 648 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: it cost more than thirty women peace of mind because 649 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: they were savagely raped in very distressing circumstances. Because Edmonds 650 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: became a prolific rapist. He would hide in the eastern 651 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: suburbs of Melbourne. He would hide and wait and watch. 652 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 1: He would sometimes crawl under people's houses and he would 653 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: know when young wives. He would pick young wives with 654 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: little kids, usually whose husbands would work night shift or 655 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: were away. He would know what they were doing. He 656 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: would hear them talking. He would watch the husband's drive 657 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: off to go to work, and then he would strike. 658 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: And the implication always was that if there were little 659 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 1: children in the house, that he might hurt the children 660 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: if the children's mothers did not go along with him. 661 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: And so he was very predatory, very ruthless, very cunning, 662 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: and very frightening. There's no doubt that he raped more 663 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: than thirty women, and it might be, you know, sixty, 664 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,760 Speaker 1: it might be seventy. We will never know how many 665 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: women he attacked in the many years that he was 666 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: on the loose, because he was on the loose for 667 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: nineteen years between the murders and his ultimate arrest. Ultimately, 668 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: he was charged only with five of those rapes and 669 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: convicted of five of them. In recent times they've added 670 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: some more to it, probably not all of them. So 671 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: how did he finally get arrested? Well, in the end, 672 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: he was sort of like the shark who jumps into 673 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: the boat, because what happens is in early nineteen eighty five, 674 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: a shop assistant in Albury, just over the border in 675 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: New South Wales, looks out and sees a man exposing 676 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: himself in a car parked in the street in the 677 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: middle of a busy morning in Aubury. She rings the 678 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: local police. The police turn up. They grab this bloke 679 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: who's just a bloke in overalls or something and he's 680 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: fell con station wagon or whatever, and they take him 681 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: down to the cop shop in Aubury, New South Wales 682 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: police and because it's New South Wales, they automatically fingerprint him, 683 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 1: which is not what happens in Victoria. In those days 684 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: you didn't get printed automatically, but in New South Wales 685 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: she did. Had he done this across the river three 686 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: minutes away in Wodonga, he would not have been fingerprinted. 687 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: But it's Aubrey. They print him fine. The princess sent 688 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: to the Central Database Registry Fingerprint Bureau, which is in Sydney, 689 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: I think it was. It's up north somewhere, it doesn't 690 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: matter where, and there routinely a fingerprint person looks at 691 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: it and he goes, hang on, I can match this up. 692 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: That's that one they're looking for. That's the one that's 693 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: mixed up with the murder and rapes Invictoria. And he 694 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: holds it up. The next thing, he gets in touch 695 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: with his people, and his people get in touch with 696 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: the Victorians, and the Victorians go, oh my goodness mate, 697 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: because in Victoria they had a task force looking for 698 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: mister Stinky. They had several detectives working on it. They 699 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: had a database full of names from gas bills and 700 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: electricity bills and every database you can think of, because 701 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: computers were just coming in and they thought they were 702 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: going to find him eventually by working out who lived 703 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: at Sheperdon in the sixties, who'd moved to these other 704 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: places east of Melbourne where the rapes were in the 705 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, and that eventually they would work out 706 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: who was on that list and they would interview them 707 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,879 Speaker 1: all and find the bad guy. And they probably would 708 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,280 Speaker 1: have had they been given enough time, but they didn't 709 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: have to because Raymond Edmonds exposed himself in Aubury and 710 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: so in the end what happened was the task force 711 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: that had spent months looking for him just went around 712 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: and knocked on his door down in a bayside suburb 713 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: of Melbourne where he was working in a small factory 714 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: I think making gates of fences or something, and they 715 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: rested him. And that was I think Friday, the twenty 716 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: second of March of nineteen eighty five, which is forty 717 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: years ago, and the rest, as I say, is history. 718 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: He ends up planning guilty and he gets sentenced to 719 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: life with no parole. And on this occasion, on this occasion, 720 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: that has worked. Unlike the puzzling case of Lowry and 721 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: King in the Roslyn Naughty Murders, mister Stinky Raymond Edmonds 722 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: has stayed under lock and key all these years. He's 723 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: now eighty one. He's still in there and I think 724 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: he'll stay there until he comes out in a pine 725 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:10,479 Speaker 1: box or on a walking stick. 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