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Speaker 1: Apologie Production, Grow and Glows Twelve Days of Christmas. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to Twelve Days of Christmas. And I'm

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Speaker 1: really really excited to have today's guests on. She played

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Speaker 1: a really, really beautiful part in my postpartum journey and

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Speaker 1: I honestly wish I could clone her times a million,

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Speaker 1: and for every mama to have someone like her support

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Speaker 1: you girls in your postpartum journey. Welcome Lauren to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my love much for beautiful but you just

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Speaker 2: said that.

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Speaker 1: I honestly don't know how I would have got through

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Speaker 1: that without you like I would have, but it just

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Speaker 1: made it so much more easier and more beautiful. And

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Speaker 1: I understood my body more and I was just taking

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Speaker 1: much more better care of myself and I learned so

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Speaker 1: much about nutrition. And that's why I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: you on today because I really wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: all things dula. And before we get started, in your

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Speaker 1: own words, could you tell me what is a dulla?

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Speaker 1: Because I really hadn't heard much about it until my

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Speaker 1: girlfriend Megsie was like, you need to hire a douler.

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Speaker 3: I was like, a what, so, yeah, what is a doller?

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Speaker 2: Duelers have supported women since the beginning of time, like

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Speaker 2: we've always supported and held women through write the passage.

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Speaker 2: These women may have been like wide women of the community,

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Speaker 2: or the mothers, or the supers or the aunt even

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Speaker 2: the grandma's And I guess it looked a little different now,

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Speaker 2: but it's essentially the same. And the word doula mean

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Speaker 2: serving women, and I guess by definition, a dueler is

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Speaker 2: a trained companion who offer non medical support for pregnancy,

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Speaker 2: birth and postpartum period. And I'm obviously just speaking mostly postpartum.

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Speaker 2: Fair vital emotional and physical support from others or duellers

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Speaker 2: come with their own wisdom and live body experiences and

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Speaker 2: you know, knowledge of skills in the ways that they

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Speaker 2: want to support a mother, especially in the first six

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Speaker 2: weeks of postpartum. You know, it can vary greatly as

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Speaker 2: well up to the mother as well as the dueler

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Speaker 2: of what she requires. But adula will provide emotional, physical

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Speaker 2: and spiritual support. You know, six weeks is the minimum

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Speaker 2: we should be supporting women as post button dula in

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Speaker 2: home packages. That should be at least maybe three hours

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Speaker 2: a week. Whatever that care looks like is what it

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Speaker 2: looks like. But you know I do all my cooking

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Speaker 2: outside that my visits are purely mother centered. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: DULA is there for the mother, and I think if

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Speaker 2: we support the mother, then she can focus on the baby.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the baby is going to be fine.

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Speaker 2: The baby only needs the mom. So if we can

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Speaker 2: look after the mom, they then can have the space

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Speaker 2: to look after and nurture their children. Yes, we are theirhore,

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Speaker 2: you know, birth trauma, birth debris. We can support the

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Speaker 2: day to day running of a home. We can cook meals,

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Speaker 2: we can massage or do any of those traditional sort

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Speaker 2: of practices. Reptims support women. You know, we're there for

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Speaker 2: emotional support, but also we are there for family support,

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Speaker 2: lactation support. As dulas, we also have such a beautiful

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Speaker 2: connection with other women and other professionals in the area,

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Speaker 2: so we can always support you to find people you need,

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Speaker 2: life to lactations consultants, duellers are there without judgment, and

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Speaker 2: we're not there to save you or fix you, but

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Speaker 2: we're they're just to be with you. And I always

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Speaker 2: say I walk with women. Do we walk, you know

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Speaker 2: in that postcardum period together?

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. And I just feel like in

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Speaker 1: today's society and different cultures obviously do things differently, but

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Speaker 1: in our Australian culture, so many women are just doing

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Speaker 1: this alone. They don't have a village, they don't have

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Speaker 1: there to help with all of that. And then it's

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Speaker 1: almost celebrated being the boss babe and like handling it

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Speaker 1: all and like, you know, you see women post on

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Speaker 1: social media and there's no judgment, like gotta do what

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Speaker 1: you gotta do, and everyone's different. But like you know,

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Speaker 1: into work and not really focusing on their healing fourth

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Speaker 1: trimester period, which is so important emotionally, mentally and physically

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Speaker 1: rest and recover because it's such a huge event to

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Speaker 3: Then get to know your baby. So could you talk

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Speaker 2: The thing about the fourth trimester, or even the first

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Speaker 2: have the reverence or that mother baby diad. We are

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Speaker 2: and what it holds. Postpartum will affect us literally for

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Speaker 2: the rest of our life, so on many many different levels,

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Speaker 2: and it will set my mother up to thrive or

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Speaker 2: basically not thrive, you know. In terms of why postpartum

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Speaker 2: why it's important. So I will try and be concife

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Speaker 2: about seven one. But if you haven't heard of the

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Speaker 2: first forty day or understand why there is such an

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Speaker 2: the world have the most amazing forty day you know,

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Speaker 2: confinement or support and they hold the mother so well

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Speaker 2: because as a culture, if the mother isn't well after

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Speaker 2: her first forty day, it's actually on the culture, not

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Speaker 2: on the mother. It means that they haven't supported her enough.

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Speaker 2: And when people hear that, they're like, oh, it's so

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Speaker 2: elabyrinth for it too much, or you know, why would

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Speaker 2: back into it. It's really sad that that's how we think,

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Speaker 2: and that here on the West we emphisize the baby

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Speaker 2: and it's all about the baby. And it is a

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Speaker 2: time where the mother should be resting as much as

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Speaker 2: she can horizontally as possible, establishing a feeding relationship, and

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Speaker 2: learning about her baby. It's such a powerful time where

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Speaker 2: all these things could be done with the distractions of

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Speaker 2: people and outside, you know, in the world. But if

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Speaker 2: like a complete change in you. Like you're obviously such

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Speaker 2: a beautiful mother and such a wonderful mom, but the

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Speaker 2: light and that change in your intuition, as soon as

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Speaker 2: you know that first six week was up, I was like,

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Speaker 2: you are a completely different woman, Mike, And that was

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Speaker 2: so cool and really like such an honor to watch

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Speaker 1: It was so so beautiful to go through that transition

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Speaker 1: I'm worthy, deserving and like that's okay to rest, that

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Speaker 1: I don't have to do all the things, and my

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Speaker 1: body and my health is so important, and it's like

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Speaker 1: that overflow, you know, filling up your own cup first.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to be running on empty in that

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Speaker 1: rest of your time being a mum.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sets you up as a mother, and you know,

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Speaker 2: mothers should be relieved of houseful duties and tending to

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Speaker 2: to restore and to heal and nourish. A mother's postpartum

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Speaker 2: affect you for ten years after childbirth and even into menopause.

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Speaker 2: You may not see the effects of not rething. You know,

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Speaker 2: in the first year of your brother's life, you know,

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Speaker 2: actually you know, there's women who have prolapsuge because they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do think too.

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Speaker 1: It made me a better mum because I was well

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Speaker 1: it's also the importance of the nutrition side of things,

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Speaker 1: which I would love to dive deep into with you,

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Speaker 1: because gosh, I learned so much about and like you

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Speaker 1: provided all of my food, Like I literally didn't have

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Speaker 1: actually recover the best that I could. So let's talk

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Speaker 2: The size of the belly changes, you know, the size

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Speaker 2: Your newborn is completely dependent on you. But also like

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Speaker 2: in an Aavetic sense in relation to food, is our

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Speaker 2: mother loses what they call fire, and i'm that through

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Speaker 2: the blood, and then water through the sweat and amniotic fluid,

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Speaker 2: And this is what we call vata in Avetta, and

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Speaker 2: nature kind of create cart digestion and guiding depression, lung immunity.

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Speaker 2: Why this is super important is we need to balance

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Speaker 2: this energy with warming, grounding, maurishing foods in the first

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Speaker 2: values her role in the writer package, so we bleed,

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Speaker 2: we go through birth and post pardon, menopausal, the death,

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Speaker 2: so our mother learns how her culture value and fee

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Speaker 2: that mother in that writer package. So if we're not

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Speaker 2: supporting women, if we're not being in awe of a

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Speaker 2: mother and what she's done, you know, that's fly. Women

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Speaker 2: don't trust their intuition, you know, don't think their role

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Speaker 2: because we are unraveled and we are craft open, and

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Speaker 2: then we rebuild when we come back, and every time rebirth,

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Speaker 2: we rebirthself again and again. And this transition is like

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Speaker 2: But yeah, in terms of the food and the nourishment,

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Speaker 1: With the packages, I know there was a few different options.

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Speaker 2: And everyone's like, oh, I couldn't ask them to put

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Speaker 2: on the washing. There's nothing more like beautiful than watching

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Speaker 2: do her washes like boneyes. I wait, paying people watching

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Speaker 1: Being held is so important, Like I remember there was

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Speaker 1: times where you would come over and as soon as

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Speaker 1: and I'm holding you know, you're holding it together for

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Speaker 1: in like yourself who just holds that space, you can

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Speaker 1: finally just release and let go and you'd grab Taylor

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Speaker 1: and I'd have a cry and then would get into

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Speaker 1: a beautiful, nourishing treatment, and I would just feel so

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Speaker 1: much better that I got to release that, and I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to hold it together all the time.

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Speaker 1: But if anyone is listening and they're like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I want to know more. I want to connect with you.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask more questions, and maybe you want

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Speaker 1: to book Lauren as your daughter, like where can they

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Speaker 1: find you?

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Speaker 2: So I am on Instagram mother bloom under poor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well, thank you so so much. I will

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Speaker 1: leave all of Lauren welcome. I'll leave all of your

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Speaker 1: you can go find her there. Otherwise, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me and hopefully we'll talk again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, honey.

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Speaker 1: Thanks bye bye