Speaker 1: Appoge production. Yeah, I knocked on the door. He was
Speaker 1: heaps older than than I was. And that was November
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, nineteen eighty seven. I did that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the date that I started longer the booking for
Speaker 1: two hours, so there were two hour bookings, then two
Speaker 1: fifty for two hours, I know first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you saw, well that.
Speaker 1: We were told you were you were to talk for
Speaker 1: an hour, talk for an hour, talk for an hour.
Speaker 1: Of course they didn't, but you were told to talk
Speaker 1: for an hour, be a lady, and then you know,
Speaker 1: maybe just seduce him or entice him onto the bed.
Speaker 1: So I said, they go hi, you know, and and
Speaker 1: I think I used my real name then. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you had to have a fake hooker name,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so hi, and I said hi. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just gigging and oh, you know, nice room
Speaker 1: things like that. I just did not know what what
Speaker 1: the hell to do, and he certainly knew. So the
Speaker 1: talking did not go on very long, and it was
Speaker 1: over very very quickly, and I just remember going, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then he said, oh, you know, you
Speaker 1: can go now. And it was less than two hours,
Speaker 1: isn't it? And you know, I had the money. You
Speaker 1: always got the money up front. That was drilled into
Speaker 1: us get the money up front. So I got the money, and.
Speaker 2: You know, how did you feel walking out of that room? Then?
Speaker 3: Did you feel like that it was the same thing
Speaker 3: going for your head when you walked in you're going
Speaker 3: to walk out to the Did you feel like that
Speaker 3: or did you just what?
Speaker 2: Was it a different feeling?
Speaker 1: No? I did. I felt I felt like a prostitute.
Speaker 1: I felt like I am now a prostitute.
Speaker 2: I have now off by eager to get another job.
Speaker 1: I had two hundred and fifty dollars cash in my hand.
Speaker 1: I was on one hundred and sixty dollars away and
Speaker 1: I just earned that in like ten minutes. You know.
Speaker 1: Of course we got I think one fifty and the
Speaker 1: agency got one hundred. So I had earned literally almost
Speaker 1: double my pay packer in ten minutes. And that's where
Speaker 1: the addiction started, at that moment, staring at that cash.
Speaker 1: And we drove across. My friend drove and she picked
Speaker 1: me up. Oh how was it? And oh god, I
Speaker 1: did it, you know, and we're both looking at the money.
Speaker 1: And then we drove across the Harbor Bridge and we say,
Speaker 1: you know that we're in the money. We were singing
Speaker 1: that song, yeah, and we just thought we were rich. Now,
Speaker 1: we made two thousand dollars each that week and that
Speaker 1: was unheard of. There's a lot of money, and you know,
Speaker 1: we were I think we were very popular because we
Speaker 1: were young and fresh and guys wanted that, you know,
Speaker 1: so they would say, oh, who's you knew girl? Has
Speaker 1: she worked before? Has she got tattoos? You weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to have tattoos. Yeah, a lot of the girls covered
Speaker 1: their tattoos in those days.
Speaker 3: It was awkward being like like I always I've had
Speaker 3: one prostitute on before, and she said it was sometimes awkward.
Speaker 3: You know, the guy's touching year and you know they
Speaker 3: want to get kind of intimate, they want to kind
Speaker 3: of kiss.
Speaker 2: Here was it was? It hard.
Speaker 1: It was hard because especially for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: prostitutes never kissed, you know that that's saying. And so
Speaker 1: we would kind of just giggle and say.
Speaker 2: When he said to kind of a blow job, did
Speaker 2: you know what it was? Then?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I just blew I did. I actually
Speaker 1: really yes, I thought that, and I'm like going, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: It was like I ended up blowing like a cyclone.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's going to get off on that,
Speaker 1: but he didn't, you know, and he's like, what's have
Speaker 1: you done this before? I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm real experienced,
Speaker 1: and he could tell I wasn't, and he just sent
Speaker 1: me away.
Speaker 2: With the money.
Speaker 1: With the money, Yeah, a lot of guys felt sorry
Speaker 1: for me. A lot of guys did feel sorry for
Speaker 1: me and sent me away with the money. So of course,
Speaker 1: you know, wow, that was good, but a lot didn't,
Speaker 1: and a lot were violent and a lot stressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you got into situations where they where
Speaker 2: they were what.
Speaker 1: Hit you or I never actually got hit because I
Speaker 1: was very fast. But I remember one one guy saying
Speaker 1: to me back then and he said, it's girls like
Speaker 1: you that deserve a punch in the face because I
Speaker 1: had a really big mouth, because I got angry in
Speaker 1: the end. And I remember at the start, I kind
Speaker 1: of did it, and then I stopped for three months
Speaker 1: because I just couldn't mentally handle it. And so what
Speaker 1: happened was I went to this job and I was
Speaker 1: just getting really mouthy with guys and though, fuck you
Speaker 1: getting you confident now in the stage, Oh, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the thing because I realized that I could
Speaker 1: kind of say it and get away with it, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think I got a bit of power and
Speaker 1: it went to my head and so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: fuck you, go fuck yourself, go wenk yourself, asshole, and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, you know, and in those days that
Speaker 1: they would really hit girls who were working without any ramifications.
Speaker 1: And I remember this guy came really close to me.
Speaker 1: He says, girls like you that deserve a punch in
Speaker 1: the face. And I said, we'll go and cunt punch me.
Speaker 1: Give it your best shot, because if I get back up,
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you, and like it was your size.
Speaker 1: But I was so cocky and so confident that I
Speaker 1: really thought if he punched me that I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: knocked out flat on the ground, which I would have been.
Speaker 1: I would have got back up and killed him. That's
Speaker 1: what I really believed within myself, you know, because you
Speaker 1: were invincible at that age, you know. I just thought, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give him my mouth by yourself. That
Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah. No. I never had protection or anything
Speaker 1: like that. No, so I had to use my brain
Speaker 1: to really, I guess predict what they said. And there
Speaker 1: is something that I called the hooker's sixth sense. You
Speaker 1: know how you have the five senses, and you know
Speaker 1: you might lose your sight while your smell we're hearing.
Speaker 1: With something like that, there's this hook of sixth sense.
Speaker 1: And what happens is it develops over time and you'll
Speaker 1: meet a guy and your gut will start churning. He's
Speaker 1: done everything right, he's given the address, he's given the
Speaker 1: nearest cross street, he's given his mobile number, his landline,
Speaker 1: he's done everything right. But you walk in and your
Speaker 1: gut is churning for no reason, and he's getting you
Speaker 1: a drink and he's really nice, and inside your gut
Speaker 1: is telling you get the fuck out now. But you've
Speaker 1: got that money in your hand, and you're kind of
Speaker 1: obligated to stay while you feel obligated. So I know
Speaker 1: I could have handed the money back, should have trusted
Speaker 1: my gut, And sometimes in the end I did. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I didn't for the sake of the money, because the
Speaker 1: money was the addiction, and you think, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll just put up with this, it'll be fine, I'll
Speaker 1: get out of this. But there was one one particular
Speaker 1: time I remember, I really thought I was going to die.
Speaker 1: I really thought I was going to die. And it
Speaker 1: was that scenario where everything was right, There was nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with this guy. Why was my gut churning? Why
Speaker 1: was my hooker gut telling me get the fuck out
Speaker 1: of there? Throw the money at him and run. Did
Speaker 1: I throw the money? No? I didn't. I went into
Speaker 1: the room with him, and he ejaculated very fast, and
Speaker 1: he just hit the roof. I have never seen, were
Speaker 1: experienced anything like it. I'm not scared of guys with
Speaker 1: a gun or a knife. I'm used to that. I'm
Speaker 1: scared of guys that just sit there with nothing and
Speaker 1: threatened to kill you or threaten to hurt you, or
Speaker 1: say you're not leaving. But he said to me, enjoy
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fifty dollars, get the fuck out
Speaker 1: of here. I'm like, oh, I still got a bit
Speaker 1: of the hour left, you know, And he's like, get
Speaker 1: the fuck out. And I was wearing trousers, and I
Speaker 1: put my trousers on back to front. So that's how
Speaker 1: nervous I was. Yeah, my legs, my legs shake. And
Speaker 1: when I'm really really nervous, my legs will be shaking,
Speaker 1: and that was uncontrollable, and I thought, I feel like
Speaker 1: a poor animal would feel that knows it's about to die,
Speaker 1: and you just cannot control that trembling. And I just
Speaker 1: couldn't control it, and you freeze on the spot because
Speaker 1: I remember looking at the bathroom door, thinking, if I
Speaker 1: can just get in there and maybe lock myself in,
Speaker 1: why don't I just get my phone out, you know,
Speaker 1: why don't I do this? Do that? But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I just was like this, not making eye contact and
Speaker 1: going like this and trying to get those trousers on,
Speaker 1: which was really hard because I were back to the front,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, what's going on? What's going on? And
Speaker 1: my hand was shaking on the doorknob because I walked out,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I'll just keep my head down, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And I walked out and I put my hand on
Speaker 1: the doorknob and it was shaking, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: crawd open open. It was like a movie, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're like anyone watching would have gone for just
Speaker 1: fucking open the door and get out, you know, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't. And he came and I felt
Speaker 1: his breath up behind me on my neck, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm dead. This is the moment I die.
Speaker 1: And you don't do all those things you think you
Speaker 1: would do. And remember I was a very cocky hooker.
Speaker 1: I had a very big mouth, and I was very
Speaker 1: sure of myself. But that moment I wasn't. I just melted.
Speaker 1: I became nothing. He put his hand on mine and
Speaker 1: opened the door and he just went enjoy the two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars, okay. And I remember seeing daylight, sunlight,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh gosh, I got out of that.
Speaker 1: So a lot of my friends didn't get out of
Speaker 1: those situations, and they're not here to speak today because
Speaker 1: of that, you know, because they went into that industry
Speaker 1: and nobody looked after you. Then nobody cared. Everyone cared
Speaker 1: about the money. The pimps cared about the money. You know,
Speaker 1: didn't matter if you had a complaint. I was told
Speaker 1: do your job.
Speaker 2: I've seen that when I was used to work in
Speaker 2: the dress.
Speaker 1: Well, you know exactly what it's like. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: you didn't have all the legislation and the rights you
Speaker 1: have now. Yeah, there wasn't anything like stealthy and law
Speaker 1: or anything there is now. So guys were ripping off
Speaker 1: the condoms, especially during the HIV, you know, the pandemic
Speaker 1: we had then that was a really scary time. You know,
Speaker 1: we used to use the no Noxyl nine condoms to
Speaker 1: do blowjobs. I'd learned how to do a blowjob by then.
Speaker 2: How did you learn how to do it? Well, that's
Speaker 2: good to do. I want to know about this one.
Speaker 2: How did you learn to do the blowjob? I just
Speaker 2: did you practice on someone at old first?
Speaker 1: You know how you used to get the orange and practice.
Speaker 2: What you practice on an orange?
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you guys practice going down with
Speaker 1: a girl? You know, like.
Speaker 2: Practice on an orange? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: No? No, but no, no your practice yeah, kissing, your
Speaker 1: practice on an orange? But you never kiss them anyway.
Speaker 1: But he used to kind of practice.
Speaker 2: You used to practice kiss on an orange?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, just I don't know. So I knew how that one.
Speaker 1: It's practice on a banana, practice on a banana? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then not all cocks look about like bananas. It
Speaker 1: was like it was like, oh, this this one's different.
Speaker 1: You know, the way to get it a guy? And
Speaker 1: this is the guys was so mean to me, it's
Speaker 1: so nasty. The way to get to them, and I
Speaker 1: figured that out was to just they'd be naked and
Speaker 1: they'd be laying there and this is really terrible, but
Speaker 1: I just look and and I go and then they go,
Speaker 1: what what? And I go, Okay, everyone's different, Mate, plant
Speaker 1: that seed and that guy will never forget that. A
Speaker 1: hooker said, something's different. He's going to be forever trying
Speaker 1: to get validation, you know, particular right, So we came
Speaker 1: up with things like that.