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Speaker 1: We were told you were you were to talk for

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Speaker 2: You know, how did you feel walking out of that room? Then?

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Speaker 1: No? I did. I felt I felt like a prostitute.

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Speaker 1: I had two hundred and fifty dollars cash in my hand.

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Speaker 1: And then we drove across the Harbor Bridge and we say,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know exactly what it's like. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: we used to use the no Noxyl nine condoms to

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Speaker 2: good to do. I want to know about this one.

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Speaker 2: How did you learn to do the blowjob? I just

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Speaker 1: No? No, but no, no your practice yeah, kissing, your

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Speaker 1: practice on an orange? But you never kiss them anyway.

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Speaker 1: But he used to kind of practice.

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Speaker 2: You used to practice kiss on an orange?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, just I don't know. So I knew how that one.

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Speaker 1: It's practice on a banana, practice on a banana? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then not all cocks look about like bananas. It

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Speaker 1: was like it was like, oh, this this one's different.

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Speaker 1: You know, the way to get it a guy? And

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Speaker 1: so nasty. The way to get to them, and I

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Speaker 1: figured that out was to just they'd be naked and

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Speaker 1: they'd be laying there and this is really terrible, but

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Speaker 1: I just look and and I go and then they go,

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Speaker 1: what what? And I go, Okay, everyone's different, Mate, plant

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Speaker 1: that seed and that guy will never forget that. A

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Speaker 1: to get validation, you know, particular right, So we came

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