Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Life. Well,
Speaker 1: said Dylan, We're going to Monday night. Lots to get to.
Speaker 1: Let's get straight to the news that I am sad
Speaker 1: to say that the person police believe responsible for that
Speaker 1: horrific attack on little Luca, the little Bubba we told
Speaker 1: you about a couple of weeks ago. Well, they now
Speaker 1: believe that this bloke has actually fled the country. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: Luca is up and walking, smiling, cuddling with mum and dad.
Speaker 1: His scarring will be lifelong. He is an in and
Speaker 1: out of hospital over the next few weeks with a
Speaker 1: collection of skin grafts. But we were told there was
Speaker 1: going to be a major announcement today from the police
Speaker 1: in Queensland and this is what they told us. It's
Speaker 1: not what any of us wanted to hear. We wanted
Speaker 1: to hear that this person apparently had been found, identified
Speaker 1: and arrested, but Alas apparently got out of the country
Speaker 1: pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Subsequent inquiries have identified that a person has left Australia
Speaker 2: and the QPS are working closely with our partner, both
Speaker 2: national and international law enforcement agency to get this to progress,
Speaker 2: this investigation further.
Speaker 1: So Okay, now we go from the Queensland focus to
Speaker 1: an international one. How does that work.
Speaker 2: It's still very much alive investigation and any information provided
Speaker 2: to where that person may be will jeopardize the further
Speaker 2: inquiries we're making.
Speaker 1: Now we're in a strange moment here because we are
Speaker 1: not actually supposed to know the name of the baby,
Speaker 1: because it is a victim of crime, and a victim
Speaker 1: of crime under the age of eighteen. Therefore, you are
Speaker 1: the theory is you don't identify the victim because that
Speaker 1: will will follow them for the rest of their life.
Speaker 1: But you're also not supposed to identify the apparent perpetrator
Speaker 1: because that too may well end up identifying the victim. Now,
Speaker 1: clearly we're in a scenario now where the parents have
Speaker 1: made it very clear what the name of their baby is,
Speaker 1: and Luca's name has been out on social media as
Speaker 1: released by the family. Clearly, the images that we have
Speaker 1: seen in the moments after the attack, and frankly for
Speaker 1: the past few weeks it's just been this one or
Speaker 1: two photos. Now, the police seemed very obvious that the
Speaker 1: person who they've been showing in and around their photos, well,
Speaker 1: it started off for somebody to help with inquiries, and
Speaker 1: now it seems to be the main focus of the inquiry.
Speaker 1: The police need to name who this person is. We
Speaker 1: need to know the details because pretty obviously the technology
Speaker 1: exists to be able to take a face of somebody
Speaker 1: and run it through all of the different computers that
Speaker 1: the world has to be able to work out if
Speaker 1: he was a tourist, Well, did he come here via
Speaker 1: a passport? The passport image will have been captured somewhere
Speaker 1: because you can't get into the country without scanning your passport. Now,
Speaker 1: if the law is so dense that it can't be changed,
Speaker 1: then I am asking the Queensland Government to find a
Speaker 1: way through the Parliament to be able to even if
Speaker 1: we need to pass an individual piece of legislation to
Speaker 1: identify this one single person, Let's do it. Because I
Speaker 1: want to know this bloke's name. I want to tell
Speaker 1: you this bloke's name. I want everyone in Queensland who
Speaker 1: may not know the image but know the name, to
Speaker 1: know this bloke's name. Now again, I am being responsible
Speaker 1: because I know there's all sorts of speculation that will
Speaker 1: exist on social media. I'm not going to echo that
Speaker 1: here because our own legal advice is the rules of
Speaker 1: Queensland and is the rules generally speaking about the identification
Speaker 1: of both alleged perpetrator and obvious victim. Now, it is
Speaker 1: a disgrace that this bloke has been able to leave
Speaker 1: the country. As I say, if he was a resident
Speaker 1: of Queen's Land, then there should be a greater digital
Speaker 1: footprint for us to have greater information. If he was
Speaker 1: a tourist in the country and therefore was always planning
Speaker 1: to leave, again, the entry and exit information should be
Speaker 1: made public. Now. Police today were going to some lengths
Speaker 1: to pretend to say that they couldn't tell us what
Speaker 1: was going on because they didn't want this person to
Speaker 1: know that they were on the tail. Bugger that it
Speaker 1: is time for the world to know this man's name.
Speaker 1: It must be done legally and if that requires a
Speaker 1: special Act of the Parliament, do it. There's still a
Speaker 1: few days before the Parliament will rise and then we
Speaker 1: start to turn our attention towards the election. This is
Speaker 1: more important than the run to the election, is to
Speaker 1: know who this person is. Strength and love to Luca
Speaker 1: as always and Luca's family. We will continue to update
Speaker 1: because all of us want the person responsible for this
Speaker 1: to be caught. And if that means that his name
Speaker 1: is known and social media is able to use correct
Speaker 1: language from official sources, good fine by me. Now let's
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time to actually go through
Speaker 1: the report that came out today, the Royal Commission report,
Speaker 1: which you've been going for some years into veteran suicide. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, as long term viewers of the program, we've
Speaker 1: been talking about this for as long as we've had
Speaker 1: access to a television camera or microphone. I spoke about
Speaker 1: it a lot on radio, written about in the paper.
Speaker 1: You know that I share your love of everyone who
Speaker 1: defends the country, and I share the tragedy of those
Speaker 1: who end up taking their own lives after serving their country.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was years ago, now, I believe it
Speaker 1: or not, when the women who were brave enough to
Speaker 1: stand up and ask for a form of accountability out
Speaker 1: of governments, the Department of Veterans Affairs and so many others.
Speaker 1: Way back twenty nineteen is when we had all those
Speaker 1: mums around the table talking about their boys, talking about
Speaker 1: the system that broke their boys, and talking about a
Speaker 1: system that broke their boys even after they had left
Speaker 1: the service. Today, one of the Royal Commissioners Nick CAWLSS,
Speaker 1: a man who should have been a police commissioner but
Speaker 1: thankfully was not, so his work was able to be
Speaker 1: in this area. He has presented a massive report, six
Speaker 1: different volumes, incredible detail in all of it, and he
Speaker 1: is in part what he had to say about that
Speaker 1: massive volume of effort. This is where I've been spending
Speaker 1: most of my day to day, not all the way
Speaker 1: through it, and I'll bring him more tomorrow, but this
Speaker 1: is why he reflects on the importance of this report
Speaker 1: and why it's one of those moments where the nation
Speaker 1: has to stand still pay attention.
Speaker 3: Well, when there's been dozens of inquiries and hundreds of recommendations,
Speaker 3: I'd say that's a failure and leadership. What is clear
Speaker 3: from some of the horrible stories that we've heard is
Speaker 3: that many people simply turn the blind eye over many
Speaker 3: years and felt that it was too hard. We feel
Speaker 3: that unless there is an entity with enough power and
Speaker 3: resources to tackle the problems, they're simply going to persist.
Speaker 3: You can't keep doing the same thing over and over
Speaker 3: again and expect the result to come out different.
Speaker 1: The report concludes that there have been twelve hundred suicides
Speaker 1: in the lead up to the Royal Commission. There are
Speaker 1: other stats in there again, I'll bring them to you
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. But amazingly, again, one of the co commissioners
Speaker 1: told us that the majority of people that have taken
Speaker 1: their own lives didn't actually end up going to war,
Speaker 1: which means they've been traumatized while being in the service
Speaker 1: and in the country.
Speaker 4: It certainly is a misconception. People associate suicide with the
Speaker 4: experience of PTSD alone coming from combat experiences. That's not
Speaker 4: actually what we're finding. What we're finding is there is
Speaker 4: a lot of trauma and a lot of exposure to trauma,
Speaker 4: but it's trauma through the cumulative effects of what they
Speaker 4: experienced day in and day out through service and into
Speaker 4: their post service life.
Speaker 1: So it's not.
Speaker 4: Combat related, but it is trauma related.
Speaker 1: That's really important. Now, there are all sorts of findings
Speaker 1: here that are more than one hundred and twenty of them.
Speaker 1: I think all of them seem incredibly reasonable to me,
Speaker 1: and they should be already being adopted by the government.
Speaker 1: But I'll get to that in a second. But again,
Speaker 1: rather than just brush over it and then move on
Speaker 1: to the next subject and get into the red meat
Speaker 1: of the team red, team blue. Let's actually pay respect
Speaker 1: to those that have taken their own lives, respect to
Speaker 1: the mothers who made this Royal Commission happen, and respect
Speaker 1: to the need and the work of this Royal Commission
Speaker 1: to actually have a look at what it has recommended. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and read under twenty
Speaker 1: recommendations to you, but there are going to be a few,
Speaker 1: so have a look here. Believe the Defense should take
Speaker 1: steps to mitigate adverse impacts of posting. So when you
Speaker 1: move families around all the time, what are the difficulties
Speaker 1: that appear for the families? What precious does that put
Speaker 1: on the soldiers? Great recommendation recommendation five support serving members
Speaker 1: is to decompress, rest and regenerate, especially after high risk experiences.
Speaker 1: These high risk experiences could be everything from live fire
Speaker 1: training exercises all the way through to war. Excellent recommendation
Speaker 1: seven is to increase the employment opportunities of members of
Speaker 1: the Defense Force in other parts of the Defense Force.
Speaker 1: So if you go from being a soldier, then there
Speaker 1: should be an opportunity for you to find work within
Speaker 1: the Defense Force rather than just being forced to choose
Speaker 1: between being an active service member and somebody who is
Speaker 1: working in service of other service members. That is an
Speaker 1: excellent recommendation. Recommendation eleven, it assesses of the Australian Defense
Speaker 1: Force leadership has to start hearing about their role in culture,
Speaker 1: health and well being. And importantly they have to start
Speaker 1: listening to the people below them, and the people below
Speaker 1: them should have greater power in helping to decide who
Speaker 1: moves up the ranks. So rather than just people moving
Speaker 1: up the ranks because they're good politicians inside the organization,
Speaker 1: are they good people? Are they good leaders of men
Speaker 1: and women? Recommendation twelve, consider the emotional intelligence of people
Speaker 1: as they move up through the organization. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: just hire the person who's going to follow the rule
Speaker 1: book and implement the policy from the current level of
Speaker 1: brass or do what the government wants. You promote people
Speaker 1: who have the support of the people below them, who
Speaker 1: have the caring and the understanding and the emotional capacity
Speaker 1: to continue to move up the leadership ranks. Nineteen. Protect
Speaker 1: victims of sexual misconduct inside the service and make sure
Speaker 1: that there are absolutely no consequences to their career for
Speaker 1: speaking up. Now there are plenty of examples of people
Speaker 1: who don't speak up because they're afraid that that will
Speaker 1: effectively in their career and they will stay at the
Speaker 1: rank that they currently are. We need to have a
Speaker 1: scenario where the person who tells the truth about what
Speaker 1: is happening to them or has been happening to them
Speaker 1: and whom did it is given the capacity to move up.
Speaker 1: And rather than the old network protecting itself and making
Speaker 1: sure that people who complain are trouble makers and pushed
Speaker 1: out the side door, know that shouldn't be the case.
Speaker 1: That should be written into the law. Recommendation twenty two
Speaker 1: is to adopt a policy of mandatory discharge for any
Speaker 1: member of the Australian Defense Force who is convicted of
Speaker 1: sexual or related offenses, no second chances, no other ways around.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about minor stuff. We're talking about making
Speaker 1: sure that once it is proven that you have done
Speaker 1: wrong by your fellow member of the Defense Force in
Speaker 1: those areas, out the door goodbye. Of course, obviously, whoever
Speaker 1: goes out the door, they should also have the levels
Speaker 1: of emotional support to make sure that they too don't
Speaker 1: end up in a scenario where they go from sort
Speaker 1: of rooster to feather duster in a day, and everyone
Speaker 1: doesn't look the take care of them. But you get
Speaker 1: my point. Recommendation thirty nine this is important because I
Speaker 1: want to respect the work of the Royal Commission. I
Speaker 1: know you care about it. I know you can follow
Speaker 1: the detail. Thank you for being patient as I go
Speaker 1: through this, but it really matters. Recommendation thirty nine is
Speaker 1: to address the risk factors of suicide and suicideality and
Speaker 1: report progress as part of this in and around the
Speaker 1: Defense Force. So suicide and awareness of it, awareness of
Speaker 1: what the warning signs might be, and the process of
Speaker 1: make sure that we can capture people before they go
Speaker 1: down a very dark path. Excellent Idea forty two ensure
Speaker 1: that future inspector generals of the ADF are not from
Speaker 1: the ADF. Obviously, I don't want a bunch of identitarians
Speaker 1: and lifetime public servants trying to turn the Defense Force
Speaker 1: into a woke version of the Tax Office with guns.
Speaker 1: I get it. But if part of the problem is
Speaker 1: the culture, the way to break the culture is you've
Speaker 1: got to bring somebody in from outside on top of
Speaker 1: the process, so that regardless of whose mates with who
Speaker 1: and who owes who a favor that the right thing
Speaker 1: is done. The Inspector General should automatically be able to
Speaker 1: investigate the deaths of by suicide of serving members. So
Speaker 1: again this doesn't just go off automatically, and it still
Speaker 1: goes to a coronial process, but the ADF doesn't get
Speaker 1: to say, sorry, wipe our hands, not our problem anymore.
Speaker 1: Now it's a state police matter because someone did something
Speaker 1: under a bridge. Excellent. Excellent idea forty eight. When a
Speaker 1: memberdize by suicide, legal officers to represent the interests of
Speaker 1: that person and their family are appointed by the ADF,
Speaker 1: so it's not just your family that's fighting the bureaucracy.
Speaker 1: You essentially have sort of a lawyer on your behalf,
Speaker 1: a legal aid paid for by the taxpayer person to
Speaker 1: help traverse the process because normal people obviously are not
Speaker 1: equipped to be able to go up against the giant
Speaker 1: bureaucracies and the cultures in and around the Defense Force.
Speaker 1: I think that's very close to the best of all
Speaker 1: of the recommendations. There also should be the establishment of
Speaker 1: a brain injury program because the reality is that, as
Speaker 1: we know, there are consequences when people play high contact
Speaker 1: sport and may well go on to have issues with
Speaker 1: their brains that may well result in mental illness and
Speaker 1: a noise and a frustration that means they eventually end
Speaker 1: up taking their own life. The same should be there
Speaker 1: for the members of the Defense Force. They need to
Speaker 1: improve the access and timelines of quality mental health screening.
Speaker 1: So this stuff needs to be as important to the
Speaker 1: Defense Force as the physical preparedness of the Defense Force.
Speaker 1: Your mental health matters. The Department of Veters Affairs should
Speaker 1: be able to fund a program to support well being
Speaker 1: in the transition from your time in the Defense Force
Speaker 1: to civilian life. Now, I am a little surprised that
Speaker 1: in many of the recommendations there is no plan to
Speaker 1: blow up and restart the Department of Veterans Affairs. In
Speaker 1: my view, the Department of Veterans Affairs has shown itself
Speaker 1: to be like a private insurance company. Do its best
Speaker 1: to delay as long as possible, do its best to
Speaker 1: deny no even if you've served the country for a day.
Speaker 1: I say role gold treatment for every single one of
Speaker 1: the brave men and women who decide to put the
Speaker 1: uniform on another one. Increase the opportunities for members to
Speaker 1: gain civilian qualifications from defense training and education. So rather
Speaker 1: than just saying on your CV X number of years
Speaker 1: in the ADF, here are the things that I've done,
Speaker 1: start to put a qualification next to it, so I
Speaker 1: know that you can do your service and do extra education. Well,
Speaker 1: why not the stuff you learn in the Defense Force
Speaker 1: counts as the the same sorts of things that would
Speaker 1: result with you getting a trade certificate or a university degree.
Speaker 1: Again excellent eighty five develop employment pathways for ex servicemen
Speaker 1: and women in the public sector. What a great idea. Again,
Speaker 1: once you go from being an active service member, if
Speaker 1: there's not a job for you somewhere inside the ADF,
Speaker 1: then why not try to find a way to use
Speaker 1: these skills in the wider public service. Excellent idea because
Speaker 1: it's all about creating pathways to quote unquote normal life
Speaker 1: after serving. You have to establish a brand new agency,
Speaker 1: and normally I hate bureaucracy. But if a brand new
Speaker 1: agency is exclusively focused full time job of people to
Speaker 1: be on veterans well being, great. You can't fund it enough,
Speaker 1: you can't have enough enough people in it. Because people
Speaker 1: need to be taken care of. You need to improve
Speaker 1: support communication with those defense families, not wait for them
Speaker 1: to dig through to find the answers, give them the
Speaker 1: answers when they ask. Finally, one oh six establish a
Speaker 1: suicide database for serving an ex serving members. Because this
Speaker 1: is the point, the numbers still are vague. We are
Speaker 1: still in a gray zone about numbers. The numbers that
Speaker 1: are in this Royal Commission are clear about what happened
Speaker 1: prior to the Royal Commission, and then it gets a
Speaker 1: little vague from when this thing started. And it started
Speaker 1: of course in and around twenty nineteen, so it's been
Speaker 1: going for a couple of years. You would think by
Speaker 1: now there would be an absolute clarity of any and
Speaker 1: everyone who has worn the uniform is wearing the uniform
Speaker 1: and takes their own life, that we count that as
Speaker 1: a suicide of an ex service person. One of the
Speaker 1: many mothers that has been fighting for this, they spoke
Speaker 1: today to the newspapers. The transition from the ADF back
Speaker 1: to civilian life is something that needs to be implemented
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. When mental health issues often caused
Speaker 1: within the ADF are the reason for the discharge, they
Speaker 1: shouldn't be medically discharged immediately like my son. You see,
Speaker 1: that's an important point. You don't just get discharged off there,
Speaker 1: she pensioned nothing else to see. If the problems occur
Speaker 1: because of what happened in the workplace, and this of
Speaker 1: course is a very unique workplace, then the workplace has
Speaker 1: a responsibility and yes, that means in many ways financial
Speaker 1: to follow you, in my view, for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. Colleen Pillen, again whose son took her own life,
Speaker 1: says ongoing support even after discharge is also important to
Speaker 1: ensure the well being of all members. The veterans should
Speaker 1: be retrained, retrained for other suitable roles. Well. Again, that
Speaker 1: is part of what is in this report. Great to
Speaker 1: see Jackie Lamby. I have my problems with her. I
Speaker 1: disagree with her most of the time. She has worn
Speaker 1: the uniform and she has led the charge. She has
Speaker 1: led the charge for this to become the Royal Commission.
Speaker 1: It is to her credit that that has now happened.
Speaker 1: Her belief and again at this point I can't see
Speaker 1: anything and in the Royal Commission. But she thinks the
Speaker 1: problem is the Defense Force Academy itself, that there is
Speaker 1: a problem with the way that we train, and that
Speaker 1: there's a problem with the way that we promote and
Speaker 1: there's a problem with the people who go into certain
Speaker 1: levels of Defense Force training. She says, blow it all up,
Speaker 1: start again, and.
Speaker 5: You can wonder why those families and those mothers that
Speaker 5: have been out there for years and everybody else is saying,
Speaker 5: don't join until it's fixed. I do not want to
Speaker 5: have to get on that bandwagon, but if they don't
Speaker 5: change their ways over the next three to six months.
Speaker 1: I will, and that is going to hurt.
Speaker 5: If you want to fix the culture of leadership in defense,
Speaker 5: I suggest that today you make a decision as a
Speaker 5: government to shut down the Australian Defense Force Academy. Okay,
Speaker 5: shut it down because running getting a lot of little
Speaker 5: rich kids there with no life experience, and they're the
Speaker 5: ones that end up in charge.
Speaker 1: Which takes us back to the things about emotional intelligence,
Speaker 1: about the people beneath you having a role in who
Speaker 1: ends up moving up, making sure that the people who
Speaker 1: complain about those who move up are not kept at
Speaker 1: a certain level and then eventually pushed out the side door. Again.
Speaker 1: I disagree with so much, and I've talked about it,
Speaker 1: but I have to give credit where it's due, and
Speaker 1: she deserves the credit on this particular issue. I hope
Speaker 1: that she uses her many media platforms to follow through
Speaker 1: with what these recommendations are. Now, both the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: and Peter Dudden have thanked the commissioners for the report.
Speaker 1: They've said all the right things about the service people.
Speaker 1: But then the Prime Minister today amazingly turned around and
Speaker 1: has not told us how many of these how many
Speaker 1: of these recommendations that is willing to accept and when,
Speaker 1: if ever they will actually be put in place. Now
Speaker 1: this matters because the government didn't get the report today
Speaker 1: like the rest of us, and it's had to try
Speaker 1: to read six volumes of hundreds and hundreds of pages.
Speaker 1: They've had it presumably for a little period of time.
Speaker 1: That's always what happens, which is they get a heads
Speaker 1: up to be able to read, to be able to
Speaker 1: look through, to be able to go through. The Prime
Speaker 1: Minister tomorrow needs to walk in and say that he
Speaker 1: will support all of the recommendations. Peter Duton should do
Speaker 1: the same thing too.
Speaker 6: And this is where the Government will thoroughly consider every recommendation.
Speaker 6: We will work across the Parliament on those issues and
Speaker 6: do what we can to ensure that just as our
Speaker 6: veterans and defense personnel step up for our country where
Speaker 6: you have an obligation to step up.
Speaker 1: For them, So do it. Do it, prioritize it. You've
Speaker 1: got Parliament. If there's any need to change laws in
Speaker 1: the next week, you've got a chance to do it. It
Speaker 1: comes back a couple of weeks after that. Front and center,
Speaker 1: front and center. You will have no doubt by partisan
Speaker 1: support on all of this stuff. If I am missing
Speaker 1: some little detail, that might be a hiccup here. But
Speaker 1: all of those things that I've just shown you, all
Speaker 1: of the extreme majority of one hundred and twenty things
Speaker 1: that I have shown you are all pretty easy. They're
Speaker 1: all to be done, and I don't care how much
Speaker 1: it costs. Australians need to know that their Defense Force
Speaker 1: takes care of people who are willing to put their
Speaker 1: lives on the line to take care of us. To
Speaker 1: any current member of the Australian Defense Force, thank you
Speaker 1: for what you do. To every former member of the
Speaker 1: Defense Force, thank you for what you have done. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your service. If you are the CEO, a chairman,
Speaker 1: a middle manager of any company in any part of
Speaker 1: the country, when a person who has served this country
Speaker 1: applies for a job, give it to them because they
Speaker 1: need to be known that they are loved. And finally,
Speaker 1: to the families of those that are currently serving or
Speaker 1: those that have served in the past, strength and love.
Speaker 1: It is a tough life, it is a hard life.
Speaker 1: And I know how proud you are of the men
Speaker 1: and women who serve, so again on the behalf of
Speaker 1: a very grateful nation. Thank you for what you do
Speaker 1: to prop them up. It is now the job of
Speaker 1: twenty seven million other people in the country to prop
Speaker 1: you up and to prop them up now. I don't
Speaker 1: know why Australia is having yet again another example about
Speaker 1: drug shortages. We are a country that supposedly is well connected,
Speaker 1: supposedly sits around amongst the highest leadership levels, that a
Speaker 1: G eight or a G twenty, that has a front
Speaker 1: row seat at the United Nations, that has first name
Speaker 1: basis relationships with the President of the United States, the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister of the UK, the Prime Minister of India,
Speaker 1: and supposedly a good relationship at the moment with China.
Speaker 1: Could somebody please explain to me why Australia is running
Speaker 1: out of the drugs that will either keep people alive
Speaker 1: or keep people safe while they are going through a
Speaker 1: medical process. This is a massive failure, meager failure. And
Speaker 1: I'm tired of people saying they care about the health
Speaker 1: system and trust us because we're better than the other guy,
Speaker 1: when the reality is that this is the litany of
Speaker 1: failure under this government. When it comes to the drugs
Speaker 1: available to people when they're having elective or non elective surgery,
Speaker 1: Australia ran out of IV drips for a period of time.
Speaker 1: Patients were being told to drink water so they could
Speaker 1: ration be amount of IV drips. That also started to
Speaker 1: lead to vets having to think twice about how to
Speaker 1: use them, meaning their beautiful animals that we all loved
Speaker 1: were passing away. We've also had an issue when it
Speaker 1: comes to morphine supplies, desperately vital in things like palliative
Speaker 1: care and pain management. Thousands of people have a drug
Speaker 1: that they can take that will guarantee that they do
Speaker 1: not end up with HIV. Why is there not enough
Speaker 1: of it in the country right now? And we learn
Speaker 1: today there's another drug shortage. This one is in and
Speaker 1: around obstetrics women about to have babies. Critical obstetrics medicine
Speaker 1: shortages in Australia are putting pregnant women at risk of
Speaker 1: serious complications. Top doctors have revealed, with some hospitalized after
Speaker 1: missing treatment. This is a disgrace. This is an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 1: Some of the countries leading sorry obstetricians have put their
Speaker 1: name behind an urgent core for the federal government to
Speaker 1: get involved. Do it now. Because Australia cannot rely on
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies to supply cheap but critical medicines. The Raw
Speaker 1: Women's Hospital Maternity services boss told the Herald Son that
Speaker 1: the supply of several blood pressure medicines have been stopped
Speaker 1: or interrupted. This is a disgrace. This must be fixed tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Any and everyone with access to a microphone and a
Speaker 1: camera who calls themselves a journalist, a reporter, hit up
Speaker 1: your local health minister, hit up the federal health minister.
Speaker 1: Where is the action, Why is this happening and why
Speaker 1: is it only after it gets into the media that
Speaker 1: someone gets off their ars and actually does something about it. Meantime, again,
Speaker 1: don't fall for the Labor Party's spin and lies about
Speaker 1: healthcare now. Traditionally in Australia, things like defense and immigration
Speaker 1: and economic strength normally goes to the conservative side of politics.
Speaker 1: Things like education and health generally speaking, goes to the
Speaker 1: progressive side of politics. But the progressive side of politics
Speaker 1: lets you down. Remember before the last Victorian election, thirty
Speaker 1: three people had died because the triplo system under Daniel
Speaker 1: Andrews and Labour's watch had become so bad that they
Speaker 1: were handing around posted notes. Yet they won an election anyway. Now,
Speaker 1: this one again is a relation to the federal government
Speaker 1: and particularly the state government of Victoria. Now, these people,
Speaker 1: they travel around hospitals, they point at people, they love,
Speaker 1: the unionized workforce, then they simply move on. Well, what
Speaker 1: about this. Victoria is now auctioning off health equipment because
Speaker 1: of how bad their budget is. Imagine if the Libs
Speaker 1: did this, could you imagine the freak out and rightly so. Gloves,
Speaker 1: gown's protective eye where surgical masks, syringes, and cleaning consumables
Speaker 1: are among the items to be sold in the first
Speaker 1: of two public auctions, which opened last week. Now, if
Speaker 1: they have too much of it, because obviously we panic
Speaker 1: ordered during the pandemic. If we have an access, try
Speaker 1: and push it around the other states and what we
Speaker 1: don't need, try to move it on to people like
Speaker 1: our Pacific Island neighbors. Why is this being sold for
Speaker 1: a buck? Why is the Victorian taxpayer so skint that
Speaker 1: we are flogging off Ppe to try to make the
Speaker 1: budget look better. Details of the auction have been obtained
Speaker 1: by the Herald Son. They show three hundred pallets of
Speaker 1: Ppe is off to be sold. That's Victoria. Now let's
Speaker 1: go to Queensland. The idiot Stephen Miles is doing any
Speaker 1: in everything he can to desperately hold on before, hopefully
Speaker 1: the people of Queensland flush him and his government. May
Speaker 1: they lose all of their seats at the upcoming election.
Speaker 1: Amongst them hopefully will be Shannon Fentman. But Shannon Fentaman,
Speaker 1: of course, she tried to be the person who took over,
Speaker 1: but Miles had to deal with the unions, so he
Speaker 1: became the premier. She's had the weight well, she's a
Speaker 1: terrible health minister, but she's already's starting to measure the
Speaker 1: drapes on becoming the Labor leader should they lose the
Speaker 1: election in October. Talk about a lack of focus? What
Speaker 1: about this? Stephen Miles and Shannon Fentaman are running around
Speaker 1: the Sunshine Coast, the beautiful Sunshine Coast because they were
Speaker 1: able to scare particularly older voters of the last election
Speaker 1: to the Sunshine Coast voting Labor for the first time
Speaker 1: in a while. So they're out and about bsing that
Speaker 1: they're about to drop a brand new hospital on the
Speaker 1: Sunshine Coast. They claim they've got the money fully funded,
Speaker 1: seventy eight million dollars it's going to turn up. But
Speaker 1: guess what, they can't tell you where. So does anyone
Speaker 1: actually believe it's going to be built. Of course, it
Speaker 1: won't be built between now and the election, and they
Speaker 1: won't be thereafter the election. So if you're on the
Speaker 1: Sunny Coast and you think, oh, how good is this
Speaker 1: Labour's going to build me a new hospital, guess what
Speaker 1: they can't tell you where it's going to be built.
Speaker 1: Labour has promised to build seventy eight million dollar satellite
Speaker 1: hospital but has not confirmed the suburb in which it
Speaker 1: will be built. Fair dincome, unbelievable and speaking of how
Speaker 1: the Labor Party has polluted the electoral politics of Queensland
Speaker 1: and in my view created jerrymanderin which is a very
Speaker 1: polite word for rigging. Remember I lost my top about
Speaker 1: the funding measure which means that all political parties are
Speaker 1: limited about the amount of money that they can spend
Speaker 1: in any one seat, but third parties are allowed to
Speaker 1: also spend as much as any one political party in
Speaker 1: a seat. And guess who counts as a third party
Speaker 1: in Queensland unions, which means that unions, and there are
Speaker 1: many of them, they could affect actively outspend every other
Speaker 1: party in your seat ten to one. It is a
Speaker 1: disgrace that this system was allowed to happen, but there's
Speaker 1: no Upper House in Queensland, so if you have a majority,
Speaker 1: you change the rules and that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 1: Fifteen million dollars is the expectation. Well doneder the reporting
Speaker 1: in the Australian on this Queensland's Union movement is readying
Speaker 1: a potential war chairs of up to fifteen million dollars
Speaker 1: in a bid to secure an unlikely victory for Stephen Miles.
Speaker 1: It'll be dwarfing the people that are backing the Liberal
Speaker 1: National Party. It's the first election since the strict donation
Speaker 1: laws are put in place about spending caps where total
Speaker 1: is eight and a bit almost nine million, ninety five
Speaker 1: thousand per electorate. The Register of Third Parties now says
Speaker 1: unions and lobby groups. Now, despite the fact unions of
Speaker 1: course are the ALP, they are magically apparently independent of
Speaker 1: the twenty nine third party is registered. Fifteen of them
Speaker 1: a unions. So in any one seat, fifteen to one
Speaker 1: Labor over the Greens, fifteen to one, Labor over the LNP,
Speaker 1: fifteen to one Labor over one nation, catdter UAP. It's
Speaker 1: a disgrace. May they be rewarded with losing their seats
Speaker 1: at the upcoming election and a new government making it
Speaker 1: a genuine open playing field. Now, as you know, Australians
Speaker 1: don't use cash anymore. There are many of us that
Speaker 1: would like to keep it going. So you keep a
Speaker 1: little in your pocket if you can. You try to
Speaker 1: pay in cash where you can, but most people now
Speaker 1: tap and go, they pay with cards. Now, as you know,
Speaker 1: about four billion b four billion dollars is now being
Speaker 1: raised by the financial institutions, the banks of this country
Speaker 1: because of the fees. The fees do you to be
Speaker 1: able to access your own money. Now there is a
Speaker 1: push on here to get these things banned. A parliamentary
Speaker 1: inquiry is looking at it as we speak. The first
Speaker 1: party that comes out and says they'll ban this crap
Speaker 1: or they'll have to effectively limit it like the private
Speaker 1: Hill Health Insurance rebate. Well, they're going to do pretty
Speaker 1: well at the upcoming federal election. Also, there's some breaking
Speaker 1: news tonight in and around social media. Now, as you know,
Speaker 1: in social media, there is a plan in South Australia
Speaker 1: to limit the age of people before they can establish
Speaker 1: a social media account. This thing's great now. Basically, social
Speaker 1: media in terms of its consequences on young people is
Speaker 1: as bad I believe, as bad as tobacco or alcohol
Speaker 1: or drugs. Since smartphones have been increased, the amount of
Speaker 1: mental health problems with our kids has exploded. This is
Speaker 1: a great idea. The South Australian Premier is first cab
Speaker 1: off the rank, followed by the Victorian premiere.
Speaker 7: Here in South Australia, we are seeking to adopt a
Speaker 7: position of leadership. To put it simply, the proposed legslive
Speaker 7: framework from the report suggests this model that state government
Speaker 7: would legislate to put in effect a positive obligation and
Speaker 7: duty on social media companies themselves to ensure that children
Speaker 7: are under the age of fourteen are getting access to
Speaker 7: those platforms.
Speaker 8: So it's time to give parents the power to push back,
Speaker 8: not against kids, but against the tech giants. That's why
Speaker 8: we're going to put age limits on social media. These
Speaker 8: rules won't target parents or kids, but they'll target the
Speaker 8: tech giants because they're the ones we need to hold
Speaker 8: to account.
Speaker 1: Now, the breaking news tonight is the federal government is
Speaker 1: going to introduce a national band, so all this state
Speaker 1: stuff's not going to matter. We don't know. The age
Speaker 1: range could be anywhere from thirteen to sixteen. I say,
Speaker 1: let's bring it down to twelve. Let's make it teen.
Speaker 1: Let's absolutely push this stuff as low as we possibly can.
Speaker 1: More details on that as it comes through tomorrow about
Speaker 1: exactly the age group, but no doubt the opposition would
Speaker 1: back this in as well. And finally, a reminder, the
Speaker 1: debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump will be here
Speaker 1: on Sky News Wednesday morning, Australian time at eleven am.
Speaker 1: It's Tuesday night in the United States and the latest
Speaker 1: polling it shows Trump leading now not just in the
Speaker 1: key swing states. That is happening in a lot of poles.
Speaker 1: Not just leading with the bookies. We've shown you that
Speaker 1: many times before, not just leading when it comes to
Speaker 1: the prediction markets. We've again shown you that before, but
Speaker 1: the New York Times the a grade pole, certainly for
Speaker 1: the media. It shows Trump is up by one point
Speaker 1: in the two horse race. He's up two points once
Speaker 1: you start to add in everyone else. Interestingly, sixty percent
Speaker 1: of the country say it's headed in the wrong direction
Speaker 1: and fifty something percent of people I think it's fifty five,
Speaker 1: so that Kamala Harris represents more of the same. So
Speaker 1: that's good numbers going into the debate. Now, of course,
Speaker 1: post debate, all of these changes, but have a look
Speaker 1: at this when you start to break down the different
Speaker 1: regions where Harris is beating Trump, well, she is only
Speaker 1: doing it in the northeast, New York, the West, California.
Speaker 1: He's winning in the Midwest and the South where guess
Speaker 1: what all the swing states are. Meantime, there's a huge
Speaker 1: split here between men and women when it comes to blokes,
Speaker 1: fifty six percent of them of pro Trump, thirty nine
Speaker 1: percent Harris. It's almost the other way around, but not
Speaker 1: as intense. In fact, Trump has more support with women
Speaker 1: than Harris has with men. Watch this space, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a fascinating debate. Eleven am here on Sky News.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go anywhere else. We'll be showing
Speaker 1: the ABC debate from the United States. Here myself and
Speaker 1: the wonderful read of Pane. He will be doing our
Speaker 1: sort of political goggle box thing that'll pop up in
Speaker 1: the afternoon at skynews dot com dot a quick breakback.
Speaker 1: We have more lots to talk about, including the Keep
Speaker 1: the Sheep movement, well, the man who is absolutely going
Speaker 1: to rip the Labour Party a new one. He'll join
Speaker 1: us in a moment or two. Time the debate about
Speaker 1: the day's news team Red Team Blue next in a second.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for watching, A huge, huge, wonderful
Speaker 1: thanks to Sam Crosby. Because Sam Crosby quite correctly pointed
Speaker 1: out while I was rattling on about all things to
Speaker 1: do with social media, you don't want the limit as
Speaker 1: low as possible, and want as high as possible, So
Speaker 1: of course I say as high as possible. Let's get
Speaker 1: it sixteen seven eight eight, en, don't care, all right,
Speaker 1: as high as possible, I truly, truly, truly believe, and
Speaker 1: all the evidence is there that the exposure of this
Speaker 1: stuff it is as bad and all of our attitudes
Speaker 1: to drugs, alcohol, smoking. The same should be about social
Speaker 1: media when it comes to kids. I know that will
Speaker 1: make me unpopular with teenagers, but alas, that's why we're adults.
Speaker 1: Matt Canavan joins us as well from Canberra. Sam's in
Speaker 1: the room right now. Thank you for saving my backside, Sam,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Here. So let's talk about the opinion polling.
Speaker 1: I went into a great detail last night, which was
Speaker 1: that Australians have never bought the garbage of the government,
Speaker 1: that it's the RBA. They know that it's the government
Speaker 1: that's the one who's driving the economy, that it's the
Speaker 1: government who needs to accept responsibility around inflation and as
Speaker 1: a result the farnus that have led to twelve interest
Speaker 1: rate rises on this government's watch, thirteen overall since things
Speaker 1: started just before the last election. Matt, I know it
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise you, but it is good to see some
Speaker 1: data backing in well, certainly my sizeable gut about how
Speaker 1: people feel on this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Look, I'm not surprised by Paul. I think the more
Speaker 9: the government has sought to blame others, the more people
Speaker 9: get very skeptical and cynical about our government trying to
Speaker 9: blame shift to other people, and they're more likely to
Speaker 9: not believe what the government says. They tend to not
Speaker 9: to believe what politicians say, So the more a politician
Speaker 9: says it's someone else's fault, people are probably by default
Speaker 9: hardwired to believe the opposite is actually is your fault.
Speaker 9: And anybody who's looked at this closely, along with almost
Speaker 9: every major economist out there, has pointed out that this
Speaker 9: government has presided over a massive expansion of government spending
Speaker 9: on their own figures in the budget papers, they have
Speaker 9: increased spending based on their own policy decisions by forty
Speaker 9: billion dollars in two years. It's the fastest increase we've
Speaker 9: seen on those measures outside of COVID since the Kevin
Speaker 9: Rada government. At least Kevin raud was responding to a
Speaker 9: global financial crisis and had some reason to try and
Speaker 9: pump prime their economy, try and put some fuel into
Speaker 9: the economy. But all this fuel has done of government
Speaker 9: spending the last couple of years has fueled inflation, and
Speaker 9: I'm not surprised that people are blaming the government for that.
Speaker 9: I think the beef I was to provide advice to labor.
Speaker 9: I'm not the business of doing that. But instead of
Speaker 9: winging about it, do something about it, actually take responsibility
Speaker 9: and come up with a plan to get inflation down.
Speaker 9: Stop trying to blame other people.
Speaker 1: Susan Lane and Jim Charmers, they went back and forth
Speaker 1: on this today, Treasure. Why does the alb and Easy
Speaker 1: Labor government thinks it's acceptable to bully the independent RBA
Speaker 1: in this way when all they're doing is cleaning up
Speaker 1: labour's economic mess.
Speaker 2: First of all, the governor of the Reserve Bank doesn't
Speaker 2: consider it the way that the Deputy leader has said.
Speaker 1: Also, Jim Chalmers out there today Sam pretending that he
Speaker 1: didn't say what he said last week, pretending, Oh I
Speaker 1: didn't attack her. We're not different, We're not, We're in
Speaker 1: completely the same place. Come on, do we all need
Speaker 1: to play the tapes from last week? Yeah?
Speaker 10: I mean, look, in terms of the poll today, I
Speaker 10: think the MAT's right. There is a perception problem here
Speaker 10: and they do need to get their arms around it
Speaker 10: and start dealing with it. You know, I think I
Speaker 10: think they're in the process of doing this. I mean,
Speaker 10: the reality is, and this is where Matt and I
Speaker 10: will disagree. The reality is that when you look at
Speaker 10: the RBA saying what is the underlying drivers of this?
Speaker 10: They're saying between fifty to seventy five percent of this
Speaker 10: is the Ukraine for energy and is actually COVID for
Speaker 10: housing because we stop building houses for so long and
Speaker 10: now we're in this mad rush to catch up. They're
Speaker 10: the underlying drivers according to the Reserve Bank of Australia.
Speaker 10: But to Matt's point and to the poll's point, I
Speaker 10: don't think people actually care at the end of the
Speaker 10: day when they're seeing their growth through bills go up
Speaker 10: six seven eight percent every quarter.
Speaker 1: Well, and let's be honest too. The reality, and this
Speaker 1: is not letting the government of thought, but the reality
Speaker 1: is that no company puts down their prices ever. Absolutely
Speaker 1: so if we've gone through this massive up, it's going
Speaker 1: to stay at this massive up, right, which means that
Speaker 1: the political python effect of all of that becomes even
Speaker 1: worse for labor because it's not so even though you
Speaker 1: know Leo's imagine, everything goes the way they want it
Speaker 1: to and we start to see interest rates come down, Matt,
Speaker 1: the cost of everything that has cost more, from insurance
Speaker 1: to a dairy and everything else in between. It's way
Speaker 1: up since they took over and they promised to not
Speaker 1: have that result.
Speaker 9: Well, the answer to that, Paul, is to grow the economy.
Speaker 9: If we can become wealthier and more productive than what
Speaker 9: seemed expensive today, won't be as expensive tomorrow because we'll
Speaker 9: all be earning more and be better off. And I
Speaker 9: think that it's not an easy answer for people to
Speaker 9: get through. It's not a quick hit, a sugar hit
Speaker 9: for people. But I do think the Australian people are
Speaker 9: crying out for some leadership. I do think they'd be
Speaker 9: open to a government who could level with people and
Speaker 9: say we need to make some hard choices around government spending,
Speaker 9: but you do some hard things to get economic reform
Speaker 9: going and stimulate our economy, lower regulation on business. Now,
Speaker 9: all those things will take time to flow through, but
Speaker 9: you look at previous labor governments, like their core Keating government,
Speaker 9: they had an economic reform agenda, they had a long
Speaker 9: term plan for the Australian economy. It's very hard to
Speaker 9: pinpoint such a plan from this government. Accept some pretty
Speaker 9: shallow slogans about a future made in Australia and a
Speaker 9: housing plan that's not building houses that it doesn't it
Speaker 9: all's too good. It sounds too good to be true,
Speaker 9: and people, I think get the fact that it is
Speaker 9: too good to be true. You can't get something good
Speaker 9: by just making easy decisions. You've got to make some
Speaker 9: tough decisions in life to get a good outcome. And
Speaker 9: I think there's a real vacuum in leadership across Australia
Speaker 9: and most state governments right now that people are looking
Speaker 9: for some of the feel well.
Speaker 1: And also you've got a whole bunch of state governments
Speaker 1: who have worked out that if you promise some mega
Speaker 1: train project it'll take six years to build, you get
Speaker 1: the political hit out of here's the plan, and you
Speaker 1: get whenever you're in trouble. You can announce the graphics
Speaker 1: of what it's going to be, but the reality is
Speaker 1: all a lot of that building stuff that's happening at
Speaker 1: the state level is in part what is pushing some
Speaker 1: of this inflation as well. All right, let's turn to America,
Speaker 1: because keep the sheep. We're going to have a chat
Speaker 1: in a moment or two about that. I know you're
Speaker 1: all in on that, Matt, no doubt will be out
Speaker 1: there tomorrow when plenty of people are there for the
Speaker 1: big protest. But this pile. Obviously everything gets reset when
Speaker 1: it comes to the debate. But Sam Trump nationally to
Speaker 1: points up, not one point, because it's not a two
Speaker 1: horse race, there's multiple other candidates. The places where he's
Speaker 1: up as well, Look, surprise, surprise, coasts love her and
Speaker 1: everywhere else, he's got a massive gap. And literally he
Speaker 1: has a stronger vote with women than she has with men.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the interesting part for me in that poll because
Speaker 10: I think you talk to a lot of Americans and
Speaker 10: it's reflected back to the interesting part for me from
Speaker 10: that pole. You go down a few questions and thirty
Speaker 10: percent of Americans say they don't know enough about Carmlala
Speaker 10: Harris to make their minds up. Which when you think
Speaker 10: through a normal presidential cycle, you've been through twenty different
Speaker 10: presidential debates, you've been you're a national figure. She's been
Speaker 10: the vice president, and people inside the bubble know her
Speaker 10: very very well. People outside of the bubble, they are
Speaker 10: saying loud and clear they do. Like forty percent of Hispanics,
Speaker 10: forty percent of Blacks say they don't know anything about her.
Speaker 10: They're remarkable numbers. So you know, the debate coming up
Speaker 10: really is an opportunity for her to educate the public
Speaker 10: and introduce herself to the public about who she is.
Speaker 1: There's also Matt Again. My suggestion, not that I have
Speaker 1: anything other than the seat that I have many thousands
Speaker 1: of kilometers away, is that the rules are great for
Speaker 1: Trump because the mic on Mike Off stuff just forces
Speaker 1: him into a level of discipline. It also denies her
Speaker 1: that moment of you know, I'm speaking, I'm speaking all
Speaker 1: of that, so he can kind of mogadon through this.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to knock her out because the reality
Speaker 1: is if it's tending his way, she words salads a
Speaker 1: little bit, but more importantly, he doesn't monster her in
Speaker 1: the political sense. Then we go back to where we
Speaker 1: were the day before the debate, which was when he's winning. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Well, Trump's a big boxing fan, of course, so I
Speaker 9: think knowing that he probably won't try and throw a
Speaker 9: lot of haymakers in the final round if he's ahead
Speaker 9: on points, you're probably right there.
Speaker 1: I look.
Speaker 9: I think mostly when you look back at elections, debates
Speaker 9: actually aren't that definitive. Obviously the last debate was an
Speaker 9: exception to that rule. But we're probably going to just
Speaker 9: have something like a status quoi. As I've been saying
Speaker 9: on your program for months here, Karmla is not a
Speaker 9: good candidate for the Midwest, and this poll shows that,
Speaker 9: and this election will be decided in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Well important to note too, again super nerdy point. Inside
Speaker 1: this poll, sixty percent Americans say the country's head in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction. Fifty five percent of people say Harris
Speaker 1: is more of the same. So if you've got that,
Speaker 1: if you've got that crossover, and Trump represents change, I
Speaker 1: know there's other polls that say that he represents extreme change. Again,
Speaker 1: this is the whole fundamental thing Ye've been building for
Speaker 1: four years.
Speaker 10: No, I hear what you're saying. I genuinely think that
Speaker 10: I would take that question with the grain of salt.
Speaker 10: When you're trying to poll the likely the likely electorate
Speaker 10: that's turning out to vote, questions like that are extremely difficult.
Speaker 10: I mean, Karma Harris's whole strategy is the same that
Speaker 10: Obama's was, that she wants to enlarge it with first
Speaker 10: time vote as young voters, people that are traditionally report
Speaker 10: the poles. It's not like in Australia where we know
Speaker 10: what the college is that's turning up it's the same
Speaker 10: election to elect.
Speaker 1: And also important to note to here abortion in terms
Speaker 1: of ranked issues now is equal. In fact, I think
Speaker 1: it's a little ahead of immigration at this election. But
Speaker 1: of course economy double or everything. Thank you lads, do
Speaker 1: appreciate it longer next work, I promise, because we've got
Speaker 1: Tony Seabrook. Tony Seabrook is the man who is life,
Speaker 1: the spiritual godfather, will to keep the sheep movement, three
Speaker 1: thousand farmers on their way to Camber tomorrow. He's fired
Speaker 1: up and he's promising to make labor pay for the
Speaker 1: decision to kill off the live export industry n a SEC.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is going to be a huge day in Canberra.
Speaker 1: I don't care how the press gallery covers it, because
Speaker 1: the reality is they are going to have to come
Speaker 1: face to face with some very annoyed people, particularly from
Speaker 1: Western Australia, whose businesses is going to be killed off
Speaker 1: by this government, by the cabal of the Greens, Teals
Speaker 1: and all the rest of the live sheep exports should
Speaker 1: industry should be turned off by twenty twenty eight. Now.
Speaker 1: Tony Seabrook is of course from the Parcelor's Association. We
Speaker 1: spoke to him for a couple of minutes when we're
Speaker 1: in Wa a couple of weeks ago. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to get him front and center because he is right
Speaker 1: in the middle of this one. Keep the sheep. I
Speaker 1: want to get this thing to one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1: He's already there in Canberra. Trucks have been coming across
Speaker 1: from Western Australia. Do you feel like you're going to
Speaker 1: have a big one to morrow.
Speaker 11: Mate, Paul. I think we're going to have a huge one.
Speaker 11: And it's not just West Australian. They're coming from the
Speaker 11: Northern Territory, Queensland and South Australia, Victoria. The support has
Speaker 11: been fantastic and it's not just about live sheep. It's
Speaker 11: about what agriculture has been, the way it's being treated
Speaker 11: by this current government.
Speaker 1: And as you said when we spoke in port Headland,
Speaker 1: they've already made their decisions. They seemingly are immovable. But
Speaker 1: when you are faced with a group of workers who
Speaker 1: literally have to give up their own time and money
Speaker 1: to come and protest, I'm not talking a bunch of
Speaker 1: sort of professional students here. It carries more weights. This
Speaker 1: is not professional protesters. These are pissed off people, Paul.
Speaker 11: Everybody coming across represents a business, a very large business.
Speaker 11: They employ people, not just a rowdy crowd. These are
Speaker 11: very very stable, very sensible people, and they are dead angry.
Speaker 11: But most of all, as I said earlier on, it's
Speaker 11: about keep the sheep, but it's about keep the cattle exports.
Speaker 11: It's about getting the government off our back. It's getting
Speaker 11: them to listen to what we want to say to them,
Speaker 11: because at the moment they're not listening. And I'd be
Speaker 11: very surprised if any of the labor people that should
Speaker 11: be there will be there tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So what is the plan for what you're going to
Speaker 1: present tomorrow? Obviously you want to keep some level of surprise,
Speaker 1: but what's the plan for the program? What are we
Speaker 1: going to see tomorrow?
Speaker 11: Look, I think what's going to come out of this
Speaker 11: is the only decision that we are able to take,
Speaker 11: and that is that to get the government to reverse
Speaker 11: the decisions not possible. So we just need to make
Speaker 11: certain the government does not get elected next time. This
Speaker 11: is eminently doable, and they're making one one serious mistake
Speaker 11: after another, sort of that demonstrates that the total lack
Speaker 11: of ability they have to understand how an economy should run.
Speaker 11: They throw on WS sheep producers under the bus, but
Speaker 11: they've also thrown almost every prom producer in the cut
Speaker 11: under the bus, and the cattle guys are well aware
Speaker 11: that they're going.
Speaker 1: To be next. So let's be clear. You want one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand signatures by eleven am tomorrow. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: your website now ninety two, four hundred and fifty four.
Speaker 1: There's more than eight thousand people watching the show right now.
Speaker 1: So you go to Keep the Sheep dot com dot au.
Speaker 1: Keepths Sheep dot com dot au, name, email details, back
Speaker 1: these people in on it at one hundred thousand by
Speaker 1: midnight tonight, bugger by eleven am tomorrow. Do it right now.
Speaker 1: Why should they sign up Keep the Sheep dot com
Speaker 1: dot au. If you love this show, you love this
Speaker 1: cause you love this bloke Tony, sign the petition. Why
Speaker 1: should they sign them?
Speaker 11: Sign sign the petition? Do this because ultimately the future
Speaker 11: is traded. It sits on the prosperity of small business
Speaker 11: and agriculture. And at the moment we are copying our builting,
Speaker 11: inflation is being compensated for to a lot of way journeys.
Speaker 11: They do get wage increases, not as much as inflation,
Speaker 11: but they are being compensated for inflation. Prome producers are not.
Speaker 11: They're copying every part of what Infa she's doing to
Speaker 11: us and paying for the wage increases of everybody else.
Speaker 11: The current situation we're see in right now, it's utterly
Speaker 11: untenable and a government needs to recognize that if they
Speaker 11: don't look after us, food security in Australia will ultimately
Speaker 11: come under risk, because we're not insecure now, but we
Speaker 11: may well in truly come to that point if our
Speaker 11: government doesn't recognize the fact that we're in town to
Speaker 11: tell them that they're doing the wrong thing and they
Speaker 11: need to brush their brains up and actually turn it around,
Speaker 11: because where we are right now this is not tenable
Speaker 11: in the long term.
Speaker 1: Greens came out today's surprise surprise against diesel fuel rebate.
Speaker 1: What would happen if the diesel fuel realbate was to
Speaker 1: disappear from your industry?
Speaker 11: Well, this is a rotten thing that they're doing. The
Speaker 11: diesel fuel exercise was designed to provide the government money
Speaker 11: to repair the roads. You burn diesel on the road
Speaker 11: and you pay the excise and that's for the roads.
Speaker 11: It's never meant to be consolidated revenue. There's a lot
Speaker 11: of diesel being burned on farms and in mining, and
Speaker 11: it is outrageous to think that any government would consider
Speaker 11: for one second to actually do this. The long term
Speaker 11: ramifications of that it will decrease the profitability of a
Speaker 11: north loot of mines and a huge number of farmers.
Speaker 11: As I said, it was designed to fix up the roads,
Speaker 11: and we're not doing down mister roads where we're burning
Speaker 11: diesel on our farms. This just shows how totally out
Speaker 11: of touch they are with the reality of running an economy,
Speaker 11: and especially an export economy.
Speaker 1: You're a king, Thank you mate. Good on you for
Speaker 1: your passion, your laser like focus. May the efforts all
Speaker 1: go the way they should. All the best tomorrow Mane,
Speaker 1: Well we're gonna have a good day tomorrow.
Speaker 11: Thank you very much.
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