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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another and so know

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Speaker 1: the Bloody show. Doctor Denise Faness joins us. She's becoming

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Speaker 1: a regular this year. Not she's becoming irregular. She's becoming

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Speaker 1: a regular here at Tea. Well she's quite irregular, isn't she?

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Speaker 1: But we love her for that.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, you know what, I'm actually still regular even

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Speaker 2: though I'm I'm going to be forty seven this year.

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Speaker 2: So that's just where my head went with menstrual cycles.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about anyone else, but you know, even

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Speaker 2: though I'm in that stage of perimenopause, I'm still regular.

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Speaker 2: Just in case the listeners were interested in that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you told me before, although like literally sixty seconds ago,

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Speaker 1: you said, we're not going to talk about my stuff,

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Speaker 1: my bodily whatever. We're just going to talk science and

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Speaker 1: then straight away. But look while we're there, because it

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Speaker 1: is science, right, and our audience is predominantly female, and also,

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Speaker 1: give or take, you're almost our typical mographic, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: mid something forty lady. I'm being very generalizing here because

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Speaker 1: we do have a broad cross section of men and

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Speaker 1: women of all ages and all kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of backgrounds and year Hello, shout out to yeah,

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Speaker 1: group of fucking weirdos, We love you. I was I

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Speaker 1: going to say, yeah, So is that do you think

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Speaker 1: that how like when perimenopause happens, when menopause happens, Is

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Speaker 1: that completely I don't know the answer to this, is

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Speaker 1: that completely genetic? Is that ninety percent genetic? Is that

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Speaker 1: influenced by lifestyle and behavior?

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Speaker 2: And so influenced by lifestyle and behavior. Yes, there's a

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Speaker 2: genetic component. For example, girls will often get their menstrual

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Speaker 2: earlier or later, and same with perimenopause. Menopause can happen

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Speaker 2: at similar ages. We don't know the exact genes, but

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Speaker 2: we do think they're Like with everything, there's there's a

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Speaker 2: genetic component. However, we also know that diet and lifestyle

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Speaker 2: for example, hot flashes are more common in women that smoke.

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Speaker 2: You know, there are links with cortisol and palpitations, which

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Speaker 2: I'm not having any perimenopause symptoms at the moment. I

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Speaker 2: but I start getting the hot flashes sometimes when I'm

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Speaker 2: thought it was just a hot flash. And one of

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Speaker 2: step is the diet and lifestyle. So let's talk about exercise.

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Speaker 2: So there are particular supplements, herbals, vitamins, things you can

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Speaker 2: So some people will consume carbs. And this does actually

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Speaker 2: won't sure. Yeah, so if you want to look into this,

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Speaker 2: we have Vivally here in Australia. We're predominantly Australian audience. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: predominantly yeah, yeah, So Vibally is the play to go

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Speaker 3: But to my knowledge, yeah, exactly, and then you can

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Speaker 2: The companies I know. But Vivally is really good. I

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Speaker 2: will disclose that I know Michelle Woolhouse really well, but

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Speaker 2: I have no connections to the company, but I trust her.

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Speaker 2: She's an amazing GP. She's founded this with someone else

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Speaker 2: a practitioner, like for example, someone can do this through

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Speaker 2: me and then I can look in the back end

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Speaker 2: and get even more data. But you don't even need

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Speaker 2: a practitioner. You could just go into vibally. It's really

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Speaker 2: and research. It did bring in a comment at the end,

428
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Speaker 2: which is something I haven't mentioned yet, is that they

429
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Speaker 2: wonder if this increase in chemicals and toxins, which so

430
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Speaker 2: many of them are ender crime disruptors they influence cell hormones,

431
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: are what is exacerbating these symptoms because some women I

432
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: see some of these women, they are struggling their mental health,

433
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: their mood, their ability to think, they're really thrown by this.

434
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Speaker 2: Some women leave their jobs. They just aren't ope anymore.

435
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Speaker 1: Do you know. There's another really interesting thing around this. So,

436
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: like I'm strict, like I'm pretty disciplined, I don't have

437
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: great genetics, and in order for me to optimize my genetics,

438
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: I've always had to be quite disciplined and you know,

439
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: have a good accountability process and just make good decisions

440
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: and consistently do good things right, which wasn't always easy,

441
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: but you eventually get to the point where you've created

442
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: a new normal. So but some people would look at

443
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: how I live and go, oh fucking hell, you're you're

444
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: a maniac, like you're Then I look at other people

445
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: that I know, and I'm basically a fat slob compared

446
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: to some people that I know, you know, people who

447
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: are full on right. So I don't know that this

448
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: is probably a name for this, but I've got a

449
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: few people I don't want to mention, male or female.

450
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: But there's one person that springs to mind that I

451
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: know where they are. They are obsessed about I mean everything,

452
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: the water, the food, the wheather, food came from the

453
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: soil that was grown in the you know, And I'm

454
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: not saying that none of that matters, but they have

455
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: so much anxiety around all of Like, I think their

456
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: anxiety and their stress and their fear is creating I

457
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: think that the negatives from that are overwriting the benefits

458
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: from eating fucking free range eggs or whatever it is.

459
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: Like this person, their default setting is Like I met

460
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: them and had a well, they don't drink coffee, and

461
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: I poured them a glass of water, sparkling water. They

462
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't drink it. I mean, which is okay, that's fine,

463
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: but I could see I'm like they were thirsty too.

464
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I don't drink bubbly water, and I'm like, well,

465
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: I go. And you know, I could see the anxiety

466
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: on the water.

467
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Speaker 2: That's the Melbourn tap water been probably worse than the

468
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: bubbly water because that's got all the chlorine and the

469
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: chemicals and the stuff. Do you drink Melbourn tap water?

470
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, I don't know about that. We

471
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: actually spoke about anyway. But I had the filter when

472
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Speaker 2: I was in Melbourne. I'm their reverse osposis filter with

473
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: the mineral re minerals actually, And then I'm going to

474
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Speaker 2: tell you what I think. Yes, well, I mean.

475
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Speaker 1: Look, and of course they can do whatever they want,

476
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: but of course, and I recommend, like, let's drink lots

477
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: of water, good water, Let's eat healthy food, Let's move

478
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: our body, Let's not smoke, Let's definitely not do fucking

479
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: recreational drug. Well, do whatever you want, but let's not

480
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: drink too much booze. And let's sleep pretty well, Let's

481
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: laugh a bit, let's hug someone, Let's have the odd route,

482
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years if you need to whatever,

483
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, But so much anxiety around their health. I'm like,

484
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: your anxiety is actually hurting your health. That's the irony.

485
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I one hundred so I care about lots

486
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: of these things, you know, the chemicals and toxins, as

487
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: we said. But I one hundred percent agree with you.

488
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: And I think we may have mentioned this before on

489
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: podcasts because I was that person for a little while

490
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: years ago, late twenties, you know, sort of coming off

491
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: the back of doing my PhD at CSR Human Nutrition.

492
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean to be completely honest, though even though I

493
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: thought I was being really healthy, the truth is the

494
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: driving factor was completely superficial. Even though I said it

495
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: was about health, I was so concerned about putting on

496
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: but I so there is such a thing as health anxiety,

497
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: food anxiety, and although I thought I was so healthy,

498
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: the truth is it was stressful because you go out

499
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: to dinner or someone puts food in front of you

500
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: and it's actually stressful. And I one hundred percent don't

501
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: think this is the way to go. Life is about

502
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: enjoying yourself. That stress response, like you said, is worse

503
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: than probably just going and having that sparkling water or

504
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: having whatever that food is. You know. One of the

505
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: first big arguments I had with my now husband, We're

506
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: on a road trip. We'd only you know, we hadn't

507
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: been together that long, maybe six months. I was living

508
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: in Adelaide at the time. He was in Queensland. We know,

509
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: this big road trip that started in Adelaide, met my

510
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: family in Melbourne, going back to Queensland and we're in

511
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: the middle of you know, nowhere, and he pulled into

512
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Speaker 2: Hungry Jacks, you know, we needed to eat. And I

513
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: mean I didn't think I was too crazy. Maybe ask him,

514
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, he definitely wasn't impressed, I think with my response.

515
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: But I was like, there is no way I'm eating here.

516
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: And by the way hungry Jack's is obviously extreme. We

517
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: don't want to be doing that. But it was my response,

518
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: like it stressed me out so much that he was

519
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: even driving in there. He was like, there's nowhere else.

520
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: He's like, there's actually nowhere else. We're in the middle

521
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: of nowhere. It's probably hundreds of kilometers. If he's like, well,

522
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: I can't take you to a bloody restaurant out here.

523
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: We're live in the middle of nowhere. But it just, yeah,

524
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: the anxiety of him even driving in and thinking that,

525
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't even be here like this,

526
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: just so. But you know, after all of that, I

527
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: went on and developed an autoimmune disease. So for someone

528
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: that was so healthy, that did not eat takeaway food

529
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: for nine years, and one of the first things and

530
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: it just shows you how caught up in it I was,

531
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: because when I got the diagnosis, I think one of

532
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: the first thoughts I had I had not eaten fucking

533
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: junk food in nine years? How can I be sick?

534
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: But I wasn't well. My body was under high stress

535
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: all the time. I overtrained, I didn't eat well. I

536
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: was running away from you know, my mum having dementia.

537
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: I just never wanted a second to think about it.

538
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: I worked myself to the bone, I exercised the bone,

539
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: I partied to the bone. To the bone. That didn't

540
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: make sense, but everyone knows that I'm talking about. I

541
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: just didn't want a second to deal with when this

542
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: is my interpretation. Maybe there's so many other factors. And yeah,

543
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: I got really, really sick, even though I thought I

544
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: was the healthiest person on the planet.

545
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that just speaks to the very

546
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: real fact that you know, emotion has a physiological consequence,

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, fear, anxiety, stress, all of those men. Of course,

548
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: there's physical stress as well, but all those psychological and

549
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, mental health issues have a con sequence. And

550
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: one of the consequences, as we spoke about before, is cortisole.

551
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: And cortisole has a you know, a deleterious effect and

552
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: cellular health and all that shit. That and disease and

553
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: you know that better than me. And that's that. I

554
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: think that's the thing is like, and we're not recommending

555
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: anything particularly other than perhaps, like I used to really

556
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: worry a lot about stuff, like I would, I'm not

557
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: so well. I'm definitely not bad now, I mean, I'm

558
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: not going to go to seven eleven and get four

559
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: dinuts and sit in the car. But you know, like

560
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: my birthday, like I used to eat cheesecake like a motherfucker.

561
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: My mom still doesn't really understand how I live or

562
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: eat or whatever. And on my birthday she bought cheesecake.

563
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: And what am I going to say to the eighty

564
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: five year old, fuck your cheesecake, you know, And so

565
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: I ate a bit of cheesecake. But I couldn't have

566
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: done that. There was a stage where I couldn't have

567
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: done that because because the pendulum swung so far the

568
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: other way that I had. You know, I bought a

569
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: line eat dis ord Well probably I did have an

570
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: eating disorder for a while, but then it swung back

571
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: slightly to disordered eating. But that you know, when you've

572
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: had like and we're digressing a little bit, but you'll

573
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: get this, Like when you were a morbidly obese kid

574
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and you were all the shit that comes with that,

575
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: and you were the fattest kid in not only a

576
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: year but probably the school, and then all of a sudden,

577
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: you not all of a sudden, but over time you

578
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: turn that round and you get fitter and healthier, and

579
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: now you're being kind of included, and you're being picked

580
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: for teams, and you're more popular and you're more visible,

581
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: and it seems to have changed your whole life. Well

582
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: that becomes so the lesson you learn as the fourteen

583
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: or fifteen year old is well, whatever you do, don't

584
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: be fucking fat, because that's going to kill you, right,

585
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: And then so you become paranoid. I became paranoid about no,

586
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: I can't eat that, and I can't do this, and

587
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: I can't I'd get on the scales and I'd put

588
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: on fucking with four grams and I'd want to jump

589
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: off the top step, and like all of this dental

590
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: and emotional dysfunction because I was so identified with my body,

591
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: and I got my entire sense of value and self

592
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: worth from people liking me because I looked better or different.

593
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm not fucking alone in that, and

594
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: people always comment. So I wasn't overweight as a child

595
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: when I kind of a round sixteen, I think. And

596
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: that's also because I started eating differently, you know, at sixteen,

597
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: I started actually this is before I was so worried

598
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: about food, you know, I was going out with my

599
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: friends the movies, and I was eating McDonald's. By the way,

600
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: I didn't really have a lot of really any takeaway

601
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: food growing up in my household. My mum definitely wasn't

602
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: obsessed by food. There was probably a very healthy upbringing

603
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: with food. However, we just didn't get it junk. She

604
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: just cooked all the time. I mean, I felt like

605
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: we were missing out, you know. I wanted to have

606
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: the crab food, but Mum cooked. You know, we didn't

607
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: not have sugar. She still made cakes and things, but

608
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: we never had soft drink. We didn't have takeaway. But

609
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: when I was sixteen and started, you know, going out

610
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: into the world, I of course then just wanted to

611
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: eat all the crap that I hadn't had. So there

612
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: was a little while or upon on a bit of weight.

613
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: I do put on my way easily, but when I'm

614
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: just leaving my day to day, you know, I'm not overeating.

615
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sort of big big. But I noticed when

616
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: I really got into the training, obviously, and your body

617
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: shape changes. Everyone wants to comment on your body, and

618
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: of course I love to too. Like what you said,

619
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: People go, oh my god, I wish I had your

620
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: body I wish I had, Like, I just hear it

621
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: all the time. Women would say it all the time.

622
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: Men would be like, Oh, you've got the perfect body.

623
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: Oh you just look like such a runner. Like it's

624
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: all the time, and you do become I think, you know,

625
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: I was so scared that I would lose this perfect

626
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: body that everyone kept telling me I had. And then

627
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: because I worked in the health industry and was into

628
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: nutrient genomics and personalized diet, I felt like, well, I

629
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: have to have the perfect body because this is what

630
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: I do, and it just kind of it went from there.

631
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: But then it became an obsession. I didn't know the

632
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: word at the time. I now know it's like orthorexic,

633
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: and it wasn't It wasn't about health in the air.

634
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: Definitely started probably with health, but then it became obsessive

635
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: to the point that it did stress me out. And

636
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I wonder how Right and I got

637
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: together because we are so different now. If anything, he

638
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: eats much better and I'm a bit more relaxed. But

639
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Speaker 2: he definitely pulled me out of a lot of I mean,

640
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: mind you, I had an autoimmune disease. I had to

641
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: rethink my whole life and what's important. I mean, I

642
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: got well, but part of that was actually eat well,

643
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: but just relax with everything. I was so highly strung

644
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: and I would say that to all the listeners. Everything

645
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: we talk about, Yes, take care of your health, but

646
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: eat the birthday cake, have a laugh. If you're someone

647
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: that wants the odd beer or champagne, just don't do

648
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: it all the time, like you said, Like I think

649
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: one of the most important things is that you enjoy

650
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: life and you you like who you are. You know,

651
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: not yeah, not know, not eating for comfort, not starving

652
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: yourself because of that. You know, it's the mental health

653
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: stuff that's really I guess what comes through with all

654
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: of this.

655
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Speaker 1: I've been thinking as you're talking about whether or not

656
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say this, and I'm not throwing this

657
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: lady under the bus, right, but this just happened. I've

658
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: had a version of this happen more than a hundred

659
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: times in my adult life. So last weekend, so we're

660
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: recording this Friday night, the twenty fourth, had a friend

661
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: of mine from Queensland shout out to Toby. Toby stayed

662
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: with me. Toby used to work for me. Anyway, we

663
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: went out for dinner, and about once or twice a year,

664
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll eat a bowl of tordellini, which is not a

665
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: cardinal sin, but it's brought me and pastor probably don't

666
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: go that great together, but I fucking love it. Right,

667
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: So I had a bowl of tortellini, and this lady

668
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: came in and she's like, oh, Craig Harper. And then

669
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: she walked up and she goes, oh my god, he's

670
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: eating pasta. And then she goes and gets her girlfriend

671
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: and then comes over and goes, look at what he's eating.

672
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: We should take a photo.

673
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I'm interrupting you, and now I'm geral this,

674
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: but actually I'm surprised to hear that you never eat pasta,

675
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: because I feel like with the level of training you do,

676
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: you would be a little bit more inclined to indulge

677
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: because of your high energy needs to maintain I mean,

678
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: I know it's carves, it's not protein, but still you

679
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: can probably afford to as someone you want to keep

680
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: that muscle mass and not be Yeah, I would have

681
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: thought that that wouldn't be such an issue. Anyway, I'll

682
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: let you finish.

683
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: No, it is for me, it is I don't feel great,

684
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Like when I eat it, I'm like a fucking four

685
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: year old in a lolly shop. I love it, but

686
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: then it doesn't love me. Then I feel like, well,

687
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't feel great after it, but I do it

688
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: maybe twice a year. But I will eat like after

689
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: we finish here, I've got dinner ready, which is basically

690
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: meat and broccoli and rice. So I eat basmati rice.

691
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: That's my carbs mostly, I mean. But but I think that,

692
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, like being for me anyways, sometimes like people are,

693
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: and people don't mean to be, you know, nasty, but

694
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: people are curious about what I eat, like people are.

695
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: People are curious about how often do you lift weights?

696
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: How often do you You know, if I do a corporate

697
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: gig and there's men in the audience, invariably at least

698
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: one or two men will come up and say to me,

699
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, what do you eat? How often do you train?

700
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: What do you essentially, what's your protocol? You know? They

701
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: want to know because they're about my age or maybe

702
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: a bit younger or maybe a year or three older,

703
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: and you know, and then invariably when I tell them

704
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: what I do, like, oh fuck that I don't want

705
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: to do that you know, I don't want to eat

706
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: two meals a day.

707
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to train seven days a week too hard. Yeah,

708
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: I put in the effort. Isn't there just a quick

709
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: thing you can tell me? Can't I just take a

710
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: supplement or something?

711
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

712
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: Isn't there a reward without work? Kind of ill?

713
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: All right?

714
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I want to circle back because we've got five or

715
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: ten minutes. I just want to go back because I

716
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: maybe we did. But the perimenopause and menopause thing just again,

717
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: because we've got so many ladies who are and I

718
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: think I feel that this is really probably relevant for

719
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So if people are heading towards perimenopause,

720
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: are in that, or they're moving into menopause, or they're

721
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: fully in menopause? What? And I know there's no three

722
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: steps solution to anything.

723
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: No, that's just my little way of working things out.

724
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: That's my step wise approach. Yes, it doesn't.

725
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: Have you got any have you got any basic advice

726
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: for people? And I know, apart from seeing a doctor

727
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: all that, but it's like if somebody said to me,

728
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: perhaps I know there's a million things I can do.

729
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: In fact, I have this conversation with a lady who

730
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: dragged her husband reluctantly up to me at the cafe

731
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: and his big boy and he's got you know, I said, look,

732
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: there are literally fifty factors and variables that we could

733
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: talk about. I said, but can you give me your phone?

734
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: And he gave me his phone and you know how

735
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: it counts your steps. And I looked at his average

736
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: steps and I go, we'll see this number here. I

737
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: won't say the number, but I'd say, I said to him,

738
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Speaker 1: I would just start by tripling this, Like this number

739
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: this is counting your steps. Keep your phone on you

740
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: as much as you can and just try and triple that,

741
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: and then you know, talk about food, and then talk

742
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: about sleep, and then talk about working out per se,

743
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I think sometimes it doesn't have to

744
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: be complicated or convoluted. Like for a lot of people,

745
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: if they just doubled their steps, that's going to really

746
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: create some you know, movement of the needle. You know,

747
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: that's good. That's not the solution, but that's not a

748
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: bad starting point. Is there something similar for people who

749
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: might be in that space that you're talking to.

750
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: Give you a few tips and then people can doesn't

751
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: mean you have to go and do all of them, because,

752
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: like you said, when there's too many things, often people

753
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: or you might start and do it for a few

754
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: days and drop off. But people can decide what they

755
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: think is the best for them. This is not my priority,

756
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: and this is not what I would suggest to do first.

757
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: But I'm going to say this based on you eating

758
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: your rice and stuff. And we've talked a lot about

759
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 2: carbohydrates for women who are worried about weight, Yes, consider

760
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: your carbohydrates, even if you don't want to get into

761
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: the blood glucose monitor. Not everyone's got a few hundred

762
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: dollars like you could just be riding down your carbs.

763
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: But with the rice, do you know about the little

764
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: trick of the twice cooking the rice? Oh?

765
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that lowers the gi right. Yeah.

766
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: So if you have rice and you cook it and

767
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: then you put it in the fridge, let it cool

768
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: down over the next day you have it, what happens

769
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: is that rice during that cooking process, it just sort

770
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: of changes the chemical composition and the starch sort of

771
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: limitless starch content and you get more what's called resist

772
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: didn't starch. So you cook it, you cool it down,

773
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: and then the next day you have it cold or

774
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: heat it up again. But that resistance starch, our body

775
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: cannot absorb that, so we don't get the carbohydrate. It's

776
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: like fiber, right, Yes, it feeds our gut bug So

777
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: you still feel full, you still feel like you've had

778
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: a really decent, comforting meal. You've got rice, but it's

779
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: actually feeding your gut bacteria, which helps your microbiome, helps

780
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: your bows, and you're not getting as much of the carbohydrate.

781
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: So there's one little tip. So when you have your rice,

782
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: harps cook it, cook enough for a couple of days.

783
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Can I give you one which is simple, is with

784
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: your bread. So when you get your bread, if you're

785
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: going to eat bread, freeze it and then unfreeze it

786
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: and that does a similar thing.

787
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: There you go, everyone, little carbohydrate hacks for those of

788
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: you and for those of you this could just be

789
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: a simple thing. If you eat bread, just eat less,

790
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, and put it in the freezer. I try

791
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: not to have bread. Yeah, we get this amazing sour

792
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: dough from Fruits of Noosa. My husband now eats his

793
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: fancy bread and I have this mental thing or I

794
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: think I can have it because it's really healthy I'm like, oh,

795
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: it's made with love from you know, it's this sour dough.

796
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: But it's not definitely affects me, you know. Wait wise,

797
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: but again, if you're freezing your bread, it's a bit

798
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: more of an effort to get it out, Like if

799
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: you really want it, it's there. Like we said before,

800
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: don't have the obsessive it's just have less. Try to

801
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: have your eggs on, some spinach and some veggies. But

802
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: if you wake up and go, I really want bread,

803
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: have it, but get it out of the freezer, you're

804
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: having a lot less. But I would say if there

805
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: was a priority a lot of women, most women where

806
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: they really come unstuck is we struggle to sleep, and

807
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: then that has so many flow on effects to the mood,

808
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: to the eating, et cetera. So I would say focus

809
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: on your sleep. Now, the first one would be really obvious.

810
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: Don't scroll your phone, like actually, just keep your phone

811
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: in a different room, and then straight away you'll probably

812
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: find your sleep better if you've already done that. Just

813
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: trying to keep the room at a certain temperature, keep

814
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: it really dark, and also just like light sheets a

815
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: few different layers so that if you do get a

816
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: bit hot, you can just kick something off and you're

817
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: not being affected. So just changing a few things in

818
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: the bedroom and a bit of that sleep routine, you

819
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: can jump online stuff's everywhere. Sleep hygiene. I think if

820
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: you can, if you can maximize your sleep and get

821
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: more of that quality sleep, that's actually just going to

822
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: make you feel better the next day, less issues of

823
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: the mood, less likely to be craving the carbs, all

824
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So I would be I would

825
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: be starting on focusing the sleep. And if that's not

826
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: you right now, think about starting those habits now so

827
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: that you don't get to that, because that would be.

828
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: One of the biggest issues I think with women is

829
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: the lack of sleep.

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00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree the amount of ladies that

831
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I talk to that just have shit quality sleep somewhere between.

832
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: I reckon fifty percent of the women that I talk

833
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: to would be somewhere between terrible sleep and kind of disrupted.

834
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: In fact, more I don't know that fifty percent of

835
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: the women that I talked to would have good sleep.

836
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: I would think maybe twenty to thirty percent could say

837
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: they sleep great, And I don't know if it's immense

838
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: clearly anecdotal because it's just conversation. I don't know what

839
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: the research tells us, but it seems to me anecdotally

840
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: that dudes happen to sleep better.

841
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they Yeah, my husband just go straight to sleep.

842
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: It's quite annoying, actually, but good on him. If I've

843
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: got two minutes and you're comfortable with me building on that.

844
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: And I do want to emphasize though, don't jump to

845
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: these things if you haven't done the basics. Remember it's

846
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 2: like it's a three step process the diet lifestyle. There's

847
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: no point jumping into supplements and medication if you haven't

848
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: done the groundwork, you won't get the benefit. But if

849
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: you do want to think about supplements, magnesium magnesium, magnesium magnesium,

850
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: like one thing I've noticed probably lots of other women,

851
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: which was really weird because I've never had issues with

852
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: like heavy or painful periods. All that came about. I

853
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: was like, what should maybe going away? And now I've

854
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: got bloody pain getting close to fifty. This is weird.

855
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: But magnesium those few days before you think you're getting

856
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: your cycle, or if it's all over the shop, just

857
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: every day, but a magnique straight magnesium supplement from the chemist.

858
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty milligrams is a standard dose. Have

859
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: that daily. You could bump it up if you're in

860
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: a bit of pain or you're not sleeping well to

861
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: three hundred milligrams at night. That's really not going to

862
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: do any issues. If you've got constipation, you can have

863
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: a bit more, but don't have too much because you

864
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: will get loose spous It draws water in the bowels.

865
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: But magnesium would be the supplement I would say number one.

866
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: And then if that doesn't work and you really are

867
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: struggling with sleep and you have done everything I've said,

868
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: don't do this first. Go to the pharmacist. Speak to them.

869
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: You no longer need a prescription. You can get it

870
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: over the counter. They tend to want you to be

871
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: over fifty. But even if you're a little bit younger

872
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: and you're really struggling with sleep, you tell them you

873
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: want melatonin. You can try it. It's a very low dose,

874
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: it's slow release, it's just a natural sleep hormone. Try it,

875
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: and but that would kind of be your last thing.

876
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: It's not going to help you if you're scrolling on

877
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: your phone for hours and you're hot at night or

878
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: there's something else, but that's something you can just get

879
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: from the pharmacist and try it. And if you feel

880
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: really groggy the next day, like you've got a bit

881
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: of a hangover or something, do not have it anymore.

882
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: It's too much for you. That's not what you need.

883
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: So a couple of things off the back of that.

884
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: There's a few different types of magnesium.

885
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: Right, there is good question.

886
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: So that and then I've got something that is really

887
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: relevant to this that we spoke about. You know what,

888
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to reverse engineer it. So we are David Gillespion,

889
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: who also lives in Queensland. Here's a researcher. He's a lawyer,

890
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: but he's one of Australia's most prolific authors. He writes

891
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: about everything from like him wrote. He wrote one of

892
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: the first books on the scourge of sugar, right and

893
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: it was called Sweet Poison to be famous for it, yes, yeah,

894
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: and lots of other books on psychopaths, psychopathy. And he's

895
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: just I mean, I hate saying this because we have

896
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: a love hate relationship, but he's very fucking intelligent.

897
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Right.

898
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: But him and I were talking the other night. In fact,

899
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: we did a whole episode called vitamin B six toxicity.

900
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: So the average or the RDI for as I remember,

901
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: the RDI for B six is one point three to

902
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: one point seven milligrams give or take one and a

903
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: half milligrams per person per day. So it seems like

904
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: fuck all right. But what he was saying is that

905
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these magnesium supplements have up to fifty

906
00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: sixty milligrams in a serve in a magnesium tab, so

907
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: like thirty times the daily recommendation in these magnesium supplements.

908
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what you think of that, but I

909
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: went and looked at mine and it was and I

910
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: threw it out.

911
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: Wonderful old one. We actually do ores now like they're

912
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: not allowed to. The regulations have changed around B six.

913
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: I think maybe I'm wrong. You can look it up

914
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: and all the listeners weize she doesn't know what she's

915
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: talking about, but I'm pretty sure it's now thirty milligrams

916
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: is the absolute highest. We can't do the fifty milligrams

917
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: in I mean, I say we. I'm not the supplement company.

918
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: I say we because I'm in this space and prescribe things.

919
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: Mind you, I've never been one to do high dose.

920
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: The concern is too, aside from the magnesium. So when

921
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 2: I did say the magnesium sometimes there is B six

922
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: means actually sometimes zinc and B six there's two things.

923
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: In actual fact, some patients will come to me and

924
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: they're on so many different supplements, and whether they've played

925
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: around themselves, or the practitioner before me wasn't thinking, or

926
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: they've seen multiple practitioners, but there was a while there

927
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: where I'd be calculating and no one had done this before,

928
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: and they come to me and go, I didn't realize

929
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: I was on this much zinc, called this much B

930
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: six because it's a bit of a it's in all

931
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: these different supplements they're having, even though they think it's

932
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: a magnesium where they think it's this. So it's definitely

933
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: a concern and you can get and I'm sure you

934
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: talked about the prefermerropathy. All of these are toxicities with

935
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: B six generally. I think now last year our regulations changed.

936
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: I was almost going to tell you it's like fifteen

937
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: or twenty, but I think it's thirty milligrams. It definitely

938
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: is now lower. But I think to start with, you

939
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: want to know the way that I work with my

940
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: patients in most instances, unless I've got a lot of information,

941
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm confident you want to do one thing at a

942
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: time and see if that works. So you're looking for

943
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: just a straight magnesium if we're doing it for relaxation

944
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: and sleep, Magnesium glycinate half an hour before bed. If

945
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: you're doing it for constipation or also to muscle soreness,

946
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: stiffness or whatever, it's quite well well absorbed. Magnesium sitrate.

947
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: If you're doing it for your brain. We have magnesium

948
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: three in eight. Actually I probably shouldn't mention that because

949
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: I think it is not TJA approved. It's really people

950
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: get tend to get that online. But if you did

951
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: want that, speak to your doctor. You can get it

952
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: compounded because you want to make sure you know where

953
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: it's coming from and not just buy something online. But

954
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: that one crosses the blood brain barrier. And then we

955
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: have magnesium oratate, which is really good for cardiovascular health.

956
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: So is it for heart? Is it for you know?

957
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: To be honest, all of them are going to give

958
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: you magnesium. Don't get lost in that. Have it. If

959
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: you don't have a doctor, chat to your pharmacist. Don't

960
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: go and just buy something without speaking to someone but

961
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: as a general rule, they're the things that guide me

962
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: to the specific forms of magnesium.

963
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: Wow, you're really smart. You should work in this space.

964
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: You should maybe think about doing some research or something.

965
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, you're brilliant and a bit funny.

966
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: How do people connect with you and find you?

967
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, coming to my very menopause protocol. That's not even,

968
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: by the way, a written out protocol, just how I

969
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: do things. Yeah, if you I'm not in the Facebook

970
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: group as much anymore, maybe only once a month, but

971
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: I do have that your Genes and Nutrition community where

972
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: you can ask questions and connect. And yeah, I've got

973
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: a website. There's some information on there. And yeah, if

974
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: you want to reach out, do so. And I'll be

975
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 2: back next month to talk about Maybe we can talk

976
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: next month about the topic we're going to talk about today.

977
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to know are you in the Facebook?

978
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Are you in our Facebook group? Are you? Are you

979
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: a member of the U project Facebook group? You probably

980
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: don't know about it.

981
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I am.

982
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: So we have like three and a half thousand people

983
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: in that group. It's a little group, well you know,

984
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: compared to what's little. Well, what I mean is good.

985
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: It's better than mine. I've got two thousand, I think,

986
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: so you will know.

987
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: What I mean is it's just people who But so

988
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: every time we do a podcast like this, it goes

989
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: up in the group and then people talk about the podcast.

990
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: So I'm going to what I'm going to say to

991
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: you is if you've got any questions for the good

992
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Doc that you'd like us to explore next time. There's

993
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: no guarantee, but we'll do our best, right, So if

994
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: it's in what area like you most will tell them

995
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: what do you want our listeners to ask you about?

996
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: So my area of expertise is you know, I did

997
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: my post doc at omisthetrics gynecology, so you know, women's health, fertility, hormones,

998
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: healthy aging for men and women, genetics, epigenetics, thyroid, auto

999
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: immune supplements, diet, exercise. I mean, in all honesty, I'm

1000
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: happy to have anything because I'll just explore it with you.

1001
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 2: But they're the things that I tend to focus on.

1002
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean in my group sometimes I get

1003
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: some weird and wacky questions that I might not actually

1004
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: know the direct answer, but because I guess I look

1005
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: at health at a very broad level, A genetic and

1006
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: a cellular level. There's always something you can often bring

1007
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 2: it back to. But I love that idea, so feel free.

1008
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: I love questions. You know, me and Harps are always

1009
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: up for answering things, So yes, send us some questions,

1010
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: and even if we don't answer on the next one,

1011
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to be popping in every month.

1012
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: Wo yeah, giddy up. I'm very excited. Thank you for

1013
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: doing that. And so you need to make sure Doc

1014
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: that you join the new Project Facebook group so when

1015
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: these you can at least see how much they love you.

1016
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye on air, but I'll say goodbye to

1017
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: you off air in a moment. Thanks Doc.

1018
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: Bye everyone,