Speaker 1: Live from Israel, and this is a special edition of
Speaker 1: Sharry Good Evening. I'm here in the heart of Israel.
Speaker 1: One year ago, terrorists tried to destroy this nation in
Speaker 1: one of the darkest days in Jewish history. Today we
Speaker 1: remember the invasion that would change both Israel and life
Speaker 1: as we know it. But we also recognize that Israel
Speaker 1: is alive. It's fighting, it's determined to survive, and it
Speaker 1: won't rest until it brings it's one hundred and one
Speaker 1: hostages home. This is a significant show tonight. You don't
Speaker 1: want to miss a minute. Farmer Israeli Prime Minister of
Speaker 1: Tarlie Bennett is on the show. He has a strong
Speaker 1: warning for terrorist sympathizers. I speak to freed hostage Aviva Siegel.
Speaker 1: She describes in graphic detail what it was like in
Speaker 1: those underground her must tunnels and how the young women
Speaker 1: women were being raped. Aviva is a living, breathing witness
Speaker 1: to the horrors inflicted by her musk and a stark
Speaker 1: reminder why the world can't abandon the women, children, and
Speaker 1: even a baby still held hostage. Will also remember Galit Carbone.
Speaker 1: She's the only Australian murdered on October seven, and I
Speaker 1: speak to her brother. He details her harrowing final moments,
Speaker 1: her desperate struggle to survive as she tried in vain
Speaker 1: to fight off terrorists at Kibutz BAIRI. Plus the latest
Speaker 1: on the despicable Palestinian protests in Australia. They've even been
Speaker 1: praised by Hesvela. How can some Australians be so heartless?
Speaker 1: But first, one year on from the October seven attacks,
Speaker 1: none of our lives will ever be the same again.
Speaker 1: We can't go back to who we were on October
Speaker 1: sixth last year. That innocence lost forever. The sun had
Speaker 1: barely risen at Kibbutzbery when crazed terrorists went from door
Speaker 1: to door, intent on murdering every Jew they could hunt down,
Speaker 1: even babies. For six hours, Avida Bacha held the safe
Speaker 1: room door shut. He was protecting his wife and their
Speaker 1: two children. The terrorists, knowing someone was standing there on
Speaker 1: the other side of the door, peppered the room with bullets.
Speaker 1: I stood in that safe room just a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, and looking around at the hundreds of bullet
Speaker 1: holes in the walls and ceiling, it was hard to
Speaker 1: imagine how anyone could have made it out alive. Mum
Speaker 1: Dana was shot and so was her surfing loving son Carmel,
Speaker 1: just fifteen years old. Dad Avida was shot too, but
Speaker 1: he survived while his wife son bled to death in
Speaker 1: that very.
Speaker 2: Room she was supposed to be in Sri Lanka for surfing,
Speaker 2: was a surfer and he one of the last things
Speaker 2: he said to his dead that bury me with my surfboard,
Speaker 2: which he did.
Speaker 3: We did last week.
Speaker 4: We buried them.
Speaker 1: Beck here, just fifteen years old. No child deserves this
Speaker 1: and no girl should watch her mum and brother be
Speaker 1: murdered over at Kibbutz Kafaraza. As the air raids sirens
Speaker 1: went off, new parents had and Itai Berdiceski went to
Speaker 1: their bomb shelter with their ten month old twins. The
Speaker 1: loving parents were only thirty years old. Hayda's last text
Speaker 1: message was at six fifty four am, and she joked
Speaker 1: about being stuck in the bomb shelter with dirty nampies,
Speaker 1: a joke any mum would have made. Her dead body
Speaker 1: was later found in the kitchen. Her husband's body in
Speaker 1: the bomb shelter near their babies, who were alive and crying.
Speaker 1: It appears he'd managed to put the twins on a
Speaker 1: bed not exposed to the front door in the corner
Speaker 1: of the room, and those babies ten months old. They
Speaker 1: were there for twelve hours without food or water until
Speaker 1: Israeli soldiers found them.
Speaker 5: Sister's neighbor that he went back home and they lived
Speaker 5: right next to each other, and he saw their door.
Speaker 5: That the front door is open. He'sa an empty AK
Speaker 5: forty seven magazine on the stairs, and that he hears
Speaker 5: that they're twins. They had two baby twins ten months old.
Speaker 5: He heard them crying. He tried to get into the house,
Speaker 5: but every time he did, the terrorists shot at him,
Speaker 5: so we couldn't get inside. Us told us that it's confirmed,
Speaker 5: and a dark and entire Dad and I remember we
Speaker 5: had this a minute or two that we kind of yeah,
Speaker 5: I cried broke for a minute or two, but then
Speaker 5: we looked at each other and was like, Okay, now
Speaker 5: we don't have one baby to take care of. We
Speaker 5: have three.
Speaker 1: Those tiny babies are lucky to be alive, but they'll
Speaker 1: never know their parents than our orphans being raised by
Speaker 1: their uncle and I. At the same kibots, three little
Speaker 1: children aged three, six and nine watched as their mom
Speaker 1: and dad were murdered by Hamas six year old and Malia,
Speaker 1: nine year old. Michael hid in a cupboard, but little Abigail,
Speaker 1: only three years old, was missing.
Speaker 6: Telephone, Michava little, that's gonna be telephone my dad, Michel Benedeta, telephone,
Speaker 6: the Imma metaforel bit the k.
Speaker 1: That was seven a m. By the afternoon, they were
Speaker 1: still hiding in the closet, a six year old and
Speaker 1: a nine year old. Twelve hours later and this was
Speaker 1: the emotional moment when they were finally rescued Maria, but
Speaker 1: three year old Abigail was taken hostage. She turned four
Speaker 1: in Gaza without a single member of her family around her,
Speaker 1: just terror. When she was released as part of the
Speaker 1: ceasefire deal, she came home an orphan and the three
Speaker 1: children are now with relatives. The trauma very real. Over
Speaker 1: at the Nova Music Festival site, four hundred young Israelis
Speaker 1: were hunted and murdered, gone down or burnt in fire,
Speaker 1: girls were raped. Those who survived tell just unbelievable stories
Speaker 1: of running, hiding in the bushes, in abandoned cars, and
Speaker 1: playing dead, all trying to stay one step ahead of death,
Speaker 1: not knowing which way to turn. We'd hope that we.
Speaker 7: Escape from the terrorists that come from one direction from
Speaker 7: this point, and when we reach to the road, we
Speaker 7: get shot from the bury directions.
Speaker 4: So they surrounding us.
Speaker 7: And we.
Speaker 4: Leaned on the road hiding.
Speaker 8: Run from wherever you try to go, you have terrorists.
Speaker 8: They're coming from that direction with Rpgan. From the underdirection,
Speaker 8: you have cipers, and then you see them on motorcycles
Speaker 8: and it's you just don't have a good option. They
Speaker 8: don't have her to go.
Speaker 1: Entire families were slaughtered one year ago today Tamar, her
Speaker 1: husband Jonatan. They're five and a half year old, twin
Speaker 1: daughters Shah and Abel, and their son Omer, aged just two.
Speaker 1: They were all murdered at their home in Kibbutz near Oz.
Speaker 1: Terrorists also shot dead parents Dina and Evgeny, and their
Speaker 1: daughters Eleene aged eight and Ethan, aged five, as they
Speaker 1: returned to their home from a camping trip after hearing
Speaker 1: sirens and came across hermus on the road. There were
Speaker 1: more than one two hundred Israelis massacred on October seven
Speaker 1: in what is a true genocide committed by Hamas and
Speaker 1: Palestine in Islamic g hat. According to Israeli data, thirty
Speaker 1: eight children were murdered on October seven, thirty eight children.
Speaker 1: This vision is distressing, just a warning, but you can
Speaker 1: see the blood soaked cots where some were killed, and
Speaker 1: twenty children had both parents killed. Ninety six children had
Speaker 1: one parent killed, and there are fifteen children who still
Speaker 1: have both one parents held hostage in Gaza. And then
Speaker 1: there's the child hostages who still haven't been released by Hermas.
Speaker 1: Baby Kafir Bivas. He was kidnapped at nine months old
Speaker 1: along with his brother Ariel, who was four. Kafa turned
Speaker 1: one in captivity and his brother turned five. No birthday celebrations, presents, cake,
Speaker 1: or even sunlight. We don't know if they're still alive.
Speaker 1: We don't know if baby Kafir ever made it to
Speaker 1: his firm birthday. They're among the one hundred and one children,
Speaker 1: elderly women and men who are still hostage in Gaza.
Speaker 1: It's believed many of them are being used as human
Speaker 1: shields to protect the cowardly harmas leader Yaya Sinha. Some
Speaker 1: hostages thankfully have made at home through unbelievably courageous rescue
Speaker 1: missions or early ceasefire ideals. Those who have made at
Speaker 1: home face deep trauma. Some are a shelf of their
Speaker 1: former selves.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm going to share some of these stories with you
Speaker 1: either tonight or over the next few days. But this
Speaker 1: celebration of death by Hermas speaks to something darkly wrong
Speaker 1: with the education and political system in Gaza, where the
Speaker 1: government pays a salary to the families whose sons or
Speaker 1: daughters are martyrs or terrorists, where school children are indoctrinated
Speaker 1: to want death to Jews. Yet instead of trying to
Speaker 1: change the Palestinian leadership and actually support Israel in removing
Speaker 1: the terror threat, the international community makes daily demands of
Speaker 1: the Jewish nation. The October seven terror attacks, in truth,
Speaker 1: have only benefitted the Palestinian cause, which has since received
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in funding and has improved its international
Speaker 1: standing at bodies like the United Nations. The horrors inflicted
Speaker 1: by Himas have not only rocked to Israel, but they've
Speaker 1: exposed the failings in Western civilization. We simply can't imagine
Speaker 1: anyone trying to claim the Holocaust should be contextualized, yet
Speaker 1: that somehow Jews brought it upon themselves. Yet that's the
Speaker 1: kind of unforgivable victim blaming that we've seen on a
Speaker 1: daily basis over the past year, as the world urged
Speaker 1: Israel to pack up, go home, forget the hostages, and
Speaker 1: let the terrorists live. The October seven attacks rocked Israel
Speaker 1: to its core, and Israelis continue to grapple with the
Speaker 1: enormity of this devastating loss. But there's also a renewed
Speaker 1: determination to survive. There's strength and resolve in the face
Speaker 1: of weak Western leadership that knows nothing about the threat
Speaker 1: of terror on their doorstep, yet they seek to impose
Speaker 1: their virtue signaling ideas upon a people who've always had
Speaker 1: to fight for survival. The lessons of past persecutions will
Speaker 1: not be easily forgotten the anniversary today, it's important. We
Speaker 1: can't look away. This is history in the making, history
Speaker 1: of the very worst kind, and we have to bear
Speaker 1: witness of all the one two hundred innocent victims of
Speaker 1: October seven. It was the kibbutzim near the border of
Speaker 1: Gaza which bore the brunt of the massacre. As I've
Speaker 1: been saying, entire families murdered. The only Australian victim that
Speaker 1: day Garlic Carbone, and she fought a desperate but ultimately
Speaker 1: hopeless battle to survive. I spoke to her brother Danny
Speaker 1: Masner at Kiboltz Bery where so many lost their lives,
Speaker 1: and a warning this interview it's a must watch. It's powerful,
Speaker 1: it's also confronting.
Speaker 3: The rockets came down really heavily.
Speaker 2: That a friend of mine saw from his house all
Speaker 2: the Hamas guys on their bikes and their pickup trucks,
Speaker 2: and that was about six thirty from the road that's
Speaker 2: surrounding the Kibbutz. They came from the strip. They murdered
Speaker 2: the guy that's really in charge of the security on
Speaker 2: the Kibuti came. It didn't know anything what happened, and
Speaker 2: they just shot him and that was it.
Speaker 1: Many families called this Cubo time. Eleven hundred people lived
Speaker 1: here before October seven, including your sister Gallette. How many were.
Speaker 2: Killed a year ago, it's one hundred and two people
Speaker 2: from our community.
Speaker 3: That's nearly ten percent.
Speaker 2: As you can see on the banner here on the side,
Speaker 2: we still have hopefully three hostages, kidnapped people that are
Speaker 2: still alive, and seven bodies that need to be returned
Speaker 2: for permanent beryl that we know that they're dead.
Speaker 3: So it's something really unthinkable.
Speaker 1: So they climbed the gates. How did they physically get They.
Speaker 2: Broke in this window and they pressed the electricty gate
Speaker 2: and they opened it and.
Speaker 3: They just stormed inside. They just came in numbers, more
Speaker 3: and more and more.
Speaker 1: Which should we go inside and show us what happened? Yes, indeed, so, Danny,
Speaker 1: your sister Garlett was here in her home on the
Speaker 1: morning of October seven when her mask came inside her house.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 3: From what I know, She rang me at twelve or
Speaker 3: nine twelve pm and telling me.
Speaker 2: That she hears them inside the house and she's not
Speaker 2: sure if she locked the door, didn't lock the door,
Speaker 2: as if it really matters, And I told her, okay,
Speaker 2: let's whisper, let's not them here that.
Speaker 3: Let them know that someone's there. She was in her
Speaker 3: safe she was in a safety room.
Speaker 2: Of course, she was holding the handle, and you know
Speaker 2: it's it's other who's going to bend first.
Speaker 3: You know, she didn't stand a chance, not one chance.
Speaker 3: My father was overseas. He's a ninety one year old.
Speaker 2: It was at ninety at the time, you old Holocaust
Speaker 2: survivor from France, and I had to tell him that
Speaker 2: daughter was murdered on the keyboards by Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: certainly and definitely the hardest thing I.
Speaker 3: Had to do in my life.
Speaker 1: You both grew up in Australia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we grew up till she was eleven.
Speaker 2: I was seven when we left Sydney to come to
Speaker 2: these keyboats Kibutzberi.
Speaker 1: So the rest of her life was really based in
Speaker 1: this keyboat. She had children here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had kids here and her life was here. Really,
Speaker 2: she had a very comfortable life. She has three kids,
Speaker 2: six grandkids, and she loved them all.
Speaker 1: Did the terrorists they come to your house or they.
Speaker 2: Just moved underneath? They burned a few houses next to me.
Speaker 2: They murdered a few people next to me. I live
Speaker 2: on the second floor. So hopefully that's what saved me.
Speaker 2: I'd say, when the.
Speaker 1: Army evacuated you and you would have walked through the keyboards,
Speaker 1: it just.
Speaker 3: Must have looked like something apocalyptia. It was a graveyard.
Speaker 3: It was everything was burnt.
Speaker 2: And it was just and I was sort of like
Speaker 2: as a sort of speaks, tall guy. The soldiers told
Speaker 2: the kids behind me, looks forward, straight ahead of him,
Speaker 2: don't look sidewards.
Speaker 1: All the families who lived here were defenseless.
Speaker 3: That I want to protect them absolutely.
Speaker 1: The Foreign Minister, Pennywong refused to come here. She refused
Speaker 1: to see firsthand what had happened. She did visit Israel,
Speaker 1: but she refused to come to the keyboard. Sim what's
Speaker 1: your reaction to that?
Speaker 2: Well, that's really a mind blower, Shari, because one would think, Okay,
Speaker 2: you made a trip half around the world, you circle
Speaker 2: the globe, you got to Israel, and when you asked
Speaker 2: why didn't you come down to Berea, why didn't you
Speaker 2: contact any one of your civilians that live overseas. The
Speaker 2: only thing you could say, oh, I had to meet
Speaker 2: mister Danny danone yad Vashem.
Speaker 3: I didn't have time.
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, you're the foreign minister of a big
Speaker 2: country called Australia. You come over to Israel. You've got
Speaker 2: one citizen that was murdered. I think it's the only
Speaker 2: Australian citizen on the attack. Please make a little effort.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying much, contact us, contact her kids, come
Speaker 2: and see what happened firsthand.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: So this is typical of what happened to so many
Speaker 1: homes on October seventh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, Yes, this is a house of Vivia and Silver,
Speaker 2: Jewish Canadian that moved from Canada to Israel many years ago.
Speaker 3: She retired and she.
Speaker 2: Dedicated her life to help the poor Palestinians living in
Speaker 2: Gaza regarding their health condition and unfortunately she founded. She
Speaker 2: found her death in her house. She was burnt and
Speaker 2: it took while to identify via DNA.
Speaker 1: She was in her safe room. But they burnt down the.
Speaker 2: Hand, burnt everything, and it took a while to really
Speaker 2: understand that it's her, and that just shows that they
Speaker 2: killed and murdered everyone.
Speaker 1: So this is a safe room. There was a family here,
Speaker 1: two children. I mean, there's hundreds of bullet holes around
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 3: This is a typical safety room like we all have.
Speaker 2: It's a nine square meter and everyone was supposed to
Speaker 2: go in the safety rooms and close or lock the
Speaker 2: door behind. So did this family, My friend Avida and
Speaker 2: his wife Dona and two kids, Calmel and Hadaal, And
Speaker 2: they went in here and about an hour after the
Speaker 2: vists got to this place, and they had to hold
Speaker 2: between them.
Speaker 9: Between Carmel and Avida, they held the handle.
Speaker 4: There's no locks, so that was holding it shot.
Speaker 2: They were holding it one way while they're trying the
Speaker 2: other way, and then he told them go away in Arabic,
Speaker 2: there's only kids here, and obviously they didn't and they
Speaker 2: realized that if the handle is here someone standing in
Speaker 2: front of they start shooting. Calmel was shot in the shoulder,
Speaker 2: a video was shot both legs and Dana was sitting here,
Speaker 2: the wife, the mother, and she got hurt through a ribcage,
Speaker 2: a very small and tiny hole which he didn't even
Speaker 2: see any blood, but she started to gasp for air
Speaker 2: and afterwards that was it.
Speaker 3: She bled internally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And one of the sons, Calmel, which he was
Speaker 2: supposed to be in Sri Lanka for surfing, was a
Speaker 2: surfer and one of the last things he said to
Speaker 2: his dad that bury me with my surfboard, which he did.
Speaker 2: We did last week.
Speaker 1: Such a heartbreaking story and walking through that kidbootz, of course,
Speaker 1: was really quite emotional. Well let's turn to politics now,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of debate in Israel and around
Speaker 1: the world about how exactly to eliminate the terror threat.
Speaker 1: Farmer Israeli Prime Minister and f Tarlie Bennett, who's a
Speaker 1: political rival of Netanyahu joined me a little while ago.
Speaker 1: Here's that interview. Former Prime Minister Aftali Bennett, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us today. I want to start
Speaker 1: with your reflections a year on from the October seven
Speaker 1: terror attacks.
Speaker 9: You know, October seventh was a day that caused great
Speaker 9: trauma for the people of Israel. They were at an
Speaker 9: institutional level, the government, the military, the institutions failed. But
Speaker 9: on the same day it was also a day of
Speaker 9: great heroism of the nation of Israel, the people, especially
Speaker 9: the younger generation, where thousands of young men and women
Speaker 9: got in their cars and drove down to the Gaza
Speaker 9: envelope in order to save lives of their brothers and sisters,
Speaker 9: who many of them have never met before, and many
Speaker 9: of them fell in the action while fighting terrorists. This
Speaker 9: is unheard of, this degree of heroism. So I would say,
Speaker 9: we've learned that we have an amazing nation, but we've
Speaker 9: also learned that our institutions failed us badly and we
Speaker 9: need to fix them.
Speaker 1: Will you say your institutions failed you badly? And Naftali Bennett,
Speaker 1: I've spent the past few days speaking to people who
Speaker 1: survived the Nova Music Festival and also people at the
Speaker 1: kibbut Sim who lost loved ones, and they told me
Speaker 1: that many were left to fend for them for twelve
Speaker 1: hours or more. Why did the military fail to arrive?
Speaker 1: Why did it take so long?
Speaker 9: This is one of the biggest failures, perhaps the biggest
Speaker 9: failure in the history of the State of Israel. You see,
Speaker 9: the State of Israel was established precisely so Jews would
Speaker 9: never again be under massacres for hours and hours of
Speaker 9: pogrom like we were in Europe or in North Africa, helpless.
Speaker 9: And that's, unfortunately exactly what happened. This is a magnitude
Speaker 9: of an epic failure of the State of Israel. And
Speaker 9: as I said, the people who saved the day are
Speaker 9: the nation and the younger generation. There were about sixty
Speaker 9: communities under attack. There were four massacres that took place
Speaker 9: in Kibutsk, far As Biri, Neurals and the Nova Music
Speaker 9: Fest of all. But in the other sixty communities, the
Speaker 9: few civilians that were there repelled dozens and dozens of
Speaker 9: terrorists at the highest degree of heroism. We're going to
Speaker 9: have to learn the lessons.
Speaker 1: Well, how do we learn those lessons? Do you think
Speaker 1: that now that it has been a year. It's time
Speaker 1: to start talking about an inquiry.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, we need to form a national inquiry. I think
Speaker 9: it's a long time should have been done already. Now
Speaker 9: that we're a year in we need to do it.
Speaker 3: We need to be.
Speaker 9: As honest with ourselves and open with ourselves so something
Speaker 9: like this can never again occur. I think it would
Speaker 9: be wrong to postpone this any longer.
Speaker 1: Mister Bennett and Australia. This weekend and even today on
Speaker 1: October seven, we've seen the most disgraceful pro Palestinian rallies
Speaker 1: Hesbala flags being waived, or flags with na Israela's face
Speaker 1: on them. We've seen similar scenes at university campuses around
Speaker 1: the world where students are even saying that Israel shouldn't
Speaker 1: have the right to exist.
Speaker 9: What's your response to all of this, Well, I don't
Speaker 9: give them what some snotty student whose parents are spending
Speaker 9: one hundred thousand dollars a year to send them to
Speaker 9: gender studies at Harvard what he thinks about whether I
Speaker 9: have a right or don't have a right to live
Speaker 9: in my homeland. We live here, this is Israel has
Speaker 9: been the Jewish ancestral land for almost four thousand years.
Speaker 9: I've fought for this land. I've lost very good friends
Speaker 9: fighting on this land. My son is in a combat unit.
Speaker 9: And the fact that there are extremely confused students in
Speaker 9: Harvard or Ivy League schools around the world that think
Speaker 9: they have the right to even a doubt whether we
Speaker 9: have the right to live here, that's ridiculous. The problem
Speaker 9: is there is not ours. Israel is a nation of lions.
Speaker 9: The Israelis are, in my opinion, the bravest, have the
Speaker 9: bravest younger generation in the world. We're going to win
Speaker 9: our and defeat our enemies. And you know these students
Speaker 9: should spend their time on better endeavors.
Speaker 1: Very well said, completely agree. Turning to around now, we're
Speaker 1: seeing the international community demand of Israel as ceasefire. There
Speaker 1: are concerns by the US President Joe Biden that this
Speaker 1: could lead to a wider regional escalation if Israel does
Speaker 1: retaliate again. Anst Iran, what's your response to the international
Speaker 1: community demanding a ceasefire and do you think Israel should
Speaker 1: hit target the nuclear capabilities that Iran is currently developing.
Speaker 9: Israel must attack Iran's nuclear program. Iran's leadership and the
Speaker 9: regime's economic system. The Islamic Republic of Iran a terrible
Speaker 9: regime which is hijacked its own people who despise it.
Speaker 9: This regime has been lobbying rockets at Israel and causing
Speaker 9: terror through its arms. It's like an octopus of terror,
Speaker 9: so through its tentacles for the better part of thirty years.
Speaker 9: Over the past year, it directly shot five hundred projectiles
Speaker 9: over to Israel. We have all the legitimacy to act,
Speaker 9: but now as an opportune time, a very narrow window
Speaker 9: of opportunity, where Iran's two main tentacles, Hamas and Chrisbala,
Speaker 9: which could have defended Iran or retaliated. Right now, these
Speaker 9: two arms are neutralized. They're almost entirely paralyzed. So Iran
Speaker 9: is laid open, and now is the exact time that
Speaker 9: we must attack. We must take out the nuclear program
Speaker 9: or at least severely damage it. They already have accumulated
Speaker 9: enough enriched uranium for ten nuclear bombs. If not now, when,
Speaker 9: If we don't do it now, I don't see anyone
Speaker 9: will ever take care of it, and we'll wake up
Speaker 9: to nuclear nightmare in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Noughteralie Bennett. You've clearly got very strong and precise views
Speaker 1: on what needs to be done now in Israel's interests.
Speaker 1: It has been reported that you're considering forming a new
Speaker 1: political party, and that perhaps you have ambitions to be
Speaker 1: Prime minister again. What can you tell me about this?
Speaker 9: My only ambition is for the Jewish state, for the
Speaker 9: only Jewish state in the world, Israel, to be strong,
Speaker 9: to prosper, and I'll do anything necessary to help that.
Speaker 9: I think everyone understands that Israel has a remarkable nation.
Speaker 9: It lacks in the quality of its leadership. It's going
Speaker 9: to need to change. That's clear to everyone. If and
Speaker 9: when I'll join, I'll certainly let you know.
Speaker 1: Do you think you could be the man for the job?
Speaker 9: As I said, if and when I'll have any decision
Speaker 9: on this, I'll let you know. As I also said,
Speaker 9: I'll be and do anything necessary to help my country
Speaker 9: at a terrible, terrible moment.
Speaker 1: It is indeed, Naftali Bannett, I really appreciate your time
Speaker 1: on this momentous day.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right. Plenty more to come. The harrowing story of
Speaker 1: a former hostage. She tells me what it's like to
Speaker 1: be held captive deep in the her Musk tunnels in Gaza.
Speaker 1: It's a powerful interview. Plus those disgraceful protests, even Hezblah
Speaker 1: has applauded the pro Palestinian rallies. That tells you everything
Speaker 1: that's wrong with them. I'm going to talk about all
Speaker 1: of this after this quick break. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I spoke with a remarkable, inspiring woman, Aviva Siegel. She
Speaker 1: was a former hostage in Gaza. She's lived to bear
Speaker 1: witness to horrific crimes. Here is that interview and a warning.
Speaker 1: Her story is confronting, but it's a story that you
Speaker 1: must hear. Aviva. A year you were kidnapped from your
Speaker 1: home at the kiboardzkathar Aza by terrorists.
Speaker 4: What happened? Can you believe that somebody in the pajamas
Speaker 4: in bed would be taken to Gaza? Because they's told
Speaker 4: for me to understand and believe Keith and I'm sixty
Speaker 4: three and Keith is sixty five years old American citizens,
Speaker 4: and we were just taken from a house in such
Speaker 4: a brutal way. On the way, they pushed Keith and
Speaker 4: broke his ribs and shot us. I remember seeing the
Speaker 4: bullets coming very close to my foot. I'm lucky, but
Speaker 4: they shot Keith on his hand. So we arrived in
Speaker 4: Gaza while Keith was bleeding and he was in such pain.
Speaker 4: And I just didn't even know what my name was
Speaker 4: when I was there because I was just so scared
Speaker 4: of everything. Everything was done in such a brutal way,
Speaker 4: and we older people, so they were in our little
Speaker 4: shelter while they tried to kill us with their bombs,
Speaker 4: and there was bombs that were coming and coming and coming,
Speaker 4: and I was shaking, and Kith was trying to relax
Speaker 4: me and calm me down and saying, you're say for Viver,
Speaker 4: you're in the shelter, but we weren't. They just opened
Speaker 4: the door, they shut her house, and I remember them
Speaker 4: walking inside my house, opening the door and just pulling
Speaker 4: us out.
Speaker 1: When you arrived in Gaza's hostages, there were celebrations on
Speaker 1: the streets.
Speaker 4: There was you know, mothers with babies, older people with sticks,
Speaker 4: the whole family, every age that you can think about it.
Speaker 4: They were so happy. It was like a party for them.
Speaker 4: While Kit and I were shaking and just wanted to
Speaker 4: scream and cry and did not understand what are we
Speaker 4: doing there? In Gaza.
Speaker 1: Now you were moved around a lot in Gaza, thirteen
Speaker 1: different lives occasions. Can you tell me about how you
Speaker 1: were treated while you were held hostage?
Speaker 4: We were treated all the time in such a brutal way.
Speaker 4: They starved us and ate in front of us. They
Speaker 4: didn't give us water while they drank. One of the times,
Speaker 4: Kit begged them, begged them for so many times, and
Speaker 4: then I said to Kith, can you beg just once more,
Speaker 4: just once more? And he took the bottle and hold
Speaker 4: the bottle and hold it until he brought us water.
Speaker 4: And then when it did bring us the water, it
Speaker 4: brought the bottle and threw at us. The conditions were
Speaker 4: the worst conditions that you can think about. I just
Speaker 4: thought that I'm going to die, that kid's gonna die.
Speaker 4: What will happen if Keith will be in the bathroom
Speaker 4: and I'll die, or what will happen if the ceiling
Speaker 4: falls on us and if they shoot us, or if
Speaker 4: they're going to starve us again. And I want to
Speaker 4: tell you that the hostages, they have been there for
Speaker 4: a year. I was there for fifty one days, and
Speaker 4: I know exactly what they're going through.
Speaker 1: Your husband Keith is still there now, still suffering.
Speaker 4: He's lying on a forty dirty mattress, just like a
Speaker 4: rug with no human rights. We weren't allowed to move,
Speaker 4: I wasn't even allowed to cry. And just think about it,
Speaker 4: when in such a brutal way tortured my husband that
Speaker 4: I've been married to for forty five years, I wanted
Speaker 4: to scream and cry, and I wasn't allowed to cry
Speaker 4: or scream. I just had to keep myself quiet. When
Speaker 4: I looked at the girl that came back.
Speaker 1: And she was shaking, she was taken to the next room.
Speaker 4: She was taken to the next room. I got up
Speaker 4: and gave her a hug because I felt like a mother.
Speaker 4: And while I did that, I got screamed at. And
Speaker 4: after a couple of hours she told us you touched me,
Speaker 4: and you know, just a couple of days ago. I
Speaker 4: just remembered how brave she was after that happened, because
Speaker 4: if somebody would do that to me, I would scream him.
Speaker 4: I would try and kill him. But she continued to
Speaker 4: smile to him to show him that everything's okay, because
Speaker 4: he threatened her that if he's if she'll ever tell anybody,
Speaker 4: then he's going to kill her.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a very difficult thing to talk about,
Speaker 1: but you were at various times with young girls and
Speaker 1: the issue of sexual violence, whether they were pregnant was
Speaker 1: a live question. What can you tell me about that?
Speaker 4: I know for sure that Keith told the girls not
Speaker 4: to tell me everything because I'm very sensitive, and the
Speaker 4: girls did not stop talking about the periods, and I'm
Speaker 4: just so scared to think about them falling pregnant. And
Speaker 4: I do know that they are now underneath the ground
Speaker 4: and just waiting to be the next one to be raped,
Speaker 4: or to be touched, or to be starved, or to
Speaker 4: be hit hidden or beaten up to pieces. Because that
Speaker 4: exactly what happened while I was there for the fifty
Speaker 4: one days.
Speaker 1: For it some time you were moved from civilian house
Speaker 1: to civilian house, but you and Keith were also held
Speaker 1: underground in the tunnels. What was it like under there
Speaker 1: in these dark tunnels, so far away from reality and sunlight.
Speaker 4: Yes, And then you come to a house and there's
Speaker 4: somebody at the bottom of the ground smiling and happy
Speaker 4: while you're shaking, and you have to go down. You
Speaker 4: just have to go down. I shaked with the ladder
Speaker 4: going down, and they took Keith and I underneath the ground,
Speaker 4: fourteen meters underneath the ground, and going down we could
Speaker 4: feel that there was no oxygen. We arrived a little
Speaker 4: arch that's open, small, the three of us, Keith and
Speaker 4: I and somebody else, and we just tried to figure
Speaker 4: out if we're going to live or not. We had
Speaker 4: to lie down on the mattress on the floor. And
Speaker 4: one of the times kids said that he feels that
Speaker 4: he cannot breathe, and he was like this, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's hard to explain in words what the meaning means
Speaker 4: by trying to figure out if there's gonna be optionen
Speaker 4: for you or if you're gonna live. But it's the
Speaker 4: worst feeling in earth for me to look at Keith
Speaker 4: that he can hardly breathe and think, maybe kittle die
Speaker 4: in front of my eyes.
Speaker 1: Well, how do you live every day? How do you
Speaker 1: cope with the knowledge that your your beloved, precious husband, Keith,
Speaker 1: and some of the girls that you met and hugged
Speaker 1: and were like a mother to are still there underground
Speaker 1: in Gaza.
Speaker 4: The worst thing, you know, the worst thing, the worst
Speaker 4: thing for me. There wasn't they when they tortured Keith
Speaker 4: and the girls, and I wanted to scream, but I
Speaker 4: couldn't tend to keep quiet. We weren't allowed to feel.
Speaker 4: I had to hide myself crying. I had to put
Speaker 4: my hand on my on my eyes, just like lit
Speaker 4: some good down on the mattress on the floor, because
Speaker 4: we weren't allowed to feel while I wanted to scream.
Speaker 4: One of the times they took one of the girls
Speaker 4: and they put a blanket over her and handcuffed her
Speaker 4: and they bittered it up into pieces, and when she
Speaker 4: came back, she was shaking and crying. And I couldn't
Speaker 4: even hunger cause I wasn't allowed to. And I felt
Speaker 4: like a mother. So sorry, have you either?
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: So on this one year anniversary, Now, what do you
Speaker 1: wanna see happen? You've met US President Joe Biden twice,
Speaker 1: You've met Anthony B. Lincoln several times. You've met to
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister here and is for our Benjaminette and Yahoo,
Speaker 1: w what do you want to happen? How do you
Speaker 1: think the hostages would be released?
Speaker 4: I want everybody to listen to my words. They aren't
Speaker 4: just words, It's what I went through and what the
Speaker 4: hostages are going through. They cannot allow themselves to open
Speaker 4: the door in the stomach and then close it when
Speaker 4: I when I stop talking. They need to open their
Speaker 4: hearts and understand that these are people that are feeling,
Speaker 4: and these people that are dying slowly, and we cannot
Speaker 4: allow ourselves keeping quiet while there's people there that don't
Speaker 4: get their metsine that are dying slowly.
Speaker 1: The international community seems to be ignoring the hostages.
Speaker 4: It's terrible. It's the worst cruelest thing that anybody can
Speaker 4: go through, being underneath the ground for a year with
Speaker 4: no oxygen and feeling that you're going to die because
Speaker 4: they just are going to kill you by not taking
Speaker 4: care of you of any of your needs. I just
Speaker 4: want to say that Keith and are peacemakers, and we
Speaker 4: want good for the whole world and for all the
Speaker 4: good people, and I want that everybody that thinks that
Speaker 4: we're doing to harm us is really really bad. Rather
Speaker 4: stand up and shout for the people that live there
Speaker 4: because they need to go back to their lives. Then
Speaker 4: mothers are having babies intents and that should not be.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't like that. And the older people and the
Speaker 4: worst thing is to leave Gostjesday underneath the ground to disload.
Speaker 1: No one can be left behind, not one person. Isn't
Speaker 1: she an amazing woman? A Viva Siegel Well still to come?
Speaker 1: Hesbella praises the pro Palestinian rallies in Australia and that
Speaker 1: tells you everything you need to know about how morally
Speaker 1: repulsive they are. I'm going to talk about that with
Speaker 1: my panel and then later in the show an October
Speaker 1: seven hero who saved hundreds of lives from her musk.
Speaker 1: He'll be with me here live in Jerusalem, so don't
Speaker 1: go away. There's a heavy police presence in both Sydney
Speaker 1: and Melbourne tonight as pro Palestinian events unfold. One protest
Speaker 1: organized by the extremist Islamic group his Bookteria in southwestern Sydney,
Speaker 1: where are gathered outside La Kember Mosque. Well, let's bring
Speaker 1: in now former chief of staff to Bill Shott and
Speaker 1: Cameron Milner and Sky News' host Steve Price. Cameron, how
Speaker 1: disgraceful are these protests? Why can't they pick any other day,
Speaker 1: not the day of the massacre of Jews?
Speaker 10: Well, isn't it an absolute disgrace? Because today it was
Speaker 10: only ever, only ever about the twelve hundred victims and
Speaker 10: one hundred and one hostages are still kept by Hamas.
Speaker 10: It was a day to reflect on the awful circumstance
Speaker 10: of the greatest loss of life since the Holocaust, Chari.
Speaker 10: That's what today should have been about. But instead these
Speaker 10: horrible protests is made about themselves and the politicians let
Speaker 10: them slide. The police and the politicians let them.
Speaker 3: Have them their day, their day.
Speaker 10: No, this should have only been about Israel, and only
Speaker 10: about Israel's absolute right self defense and Jewish Australians feeling
Speaker 10: safe in their own community. That's what today should have
Speaker 10: been about. And the fact that HESBLA could actually congratulate
Speaker 10: those people on the streets today just shows how awful
Speaker 10: and how divided our society has become.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, Steve, what do you think? I think
Speaker 1: law enforcement wasn't strong enough here. They could have shut
Speaker 1: these protests down. They did during the COVID pandemic. But
Speaker 1: they don't care.
Speaker 11: No, they haven't, And I'm going to update you on
Speaker 11: what's actually just unfolded. Shake Shakawi at Lakember has called
Speaker 11: October seven a day of resistance. His but to here
Speaker 11: as you said, have turned out. But in Melbourne it
Speaker 11: even gets worse, Cameron and Shari, where you've had six
Speaker 11: baby carriages or prams draped in head scarfs pushed through
Speaker 11: the streets of Melbourne and fake stretches with fake dead
Speaker 11: people on them being carried through the streets as well
Speaker 11: under Palestinian banners. So the whole thing, as Cameron has said,
Speaker 11: and you've said, Schari over and over this day is
Speaker 11: not about that. October seven was about a terrorist attack
Speaker 11: on Israel and here we have in Australia. And I
Speaker 11: didn't think i'd ever lived to see this, the worst
Speaker 11: cases of anti Semitism that I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: It's just horrenders, it really is. And it's in part
Speaker 1: because we've had a total failure of political leadership. Cameron,
Speaker 1: how do you think the Prime Minister, compared to Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton has handled this antisemitism crisis over the past year.
Speaker 10: Well, Peter Dutton got a standing ovation tonight in Sydney
Speaker 10: for what he'd said, and he's stopped for Israel today
Speaker 10: and what he said, and what we got from from
Speaker 10: the premise was just more weathel words, more, weathel words more,
Speaker 10: influenced from Wong talking about restraint Bert not doing anything.
Speaker 10: Labour's got a real problem here, Shari, a real problem
Speaker 10: and it's endemic, systemic under Albanize. This weakness and it's
Speaker 10: let the extremists, the Islamic extremists flourished Australia. That's why
Speaker 10: we have these horrible protests like Epster tonight, Steve. That's
Speaker 10: why they think they can get away with it because
Speaker 10: Albo is so weak. But Labor needs to be better.
Speaker 10: And Chris Min's and Jacindra Allan' sw up today which
Speaker 10: was great. So it's not Labor, it's an albow problem.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, one hundred percent, Steve, twenty seconds. What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 11: Cameron's absolutely right? Just send her Alan though she's been
Speaker 11: as bad as what Albernizi has been as well. If
Speaker 11: you don't have strong leadership about these issues, you're going
Speaker 11: to see what you're seeing on the streets tonight. Every
Speaker 11: Australian who's witnessing this should look at it, shake their
Speaker 11: head and complain about it loudly to whoever wants to listen.
Speaker 1: Steve Price, Cameron Milner, thank you both for your leadership
Speaker 1: and strength on this now coming up after the break
Speaker 1: among the horror on October seven, there were heroes, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be joined by one of them live
Speaker 1: in Jerusalem. Next. He put his life on the line
Speaker 1: to save hundreds of Israelis. That interview after this quick break,
Speaker 1: welcome back. Well, I'm joined now by Israeli major Officer
Speaker 1: Nimrod Palmach Nimbrod to thank you so much. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us here in Jerusalem. Now on October seven, you
Speaker 1: were given orders to come here. You defied them because
Speaker 1: you heard what was going on down south. Tell me
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 12: Ever since I was a kid, I used to listen
Speaker 12: to my heart, and also on October seven, I listened
Speaker 12: to my heart. I had the sense that something terrible
Speaker 12: is happening down south, and I traveled all by myself.
Speaker 12: I carried only my pistol with me, and I discovered
Speaker 12: what happened there as I went. I had a chance
Speaker 12: to stop for a couple of minutes where I left
Speaker 12: a video, a goodbye video for my kids, realizing I'm
Speaker 12: about to die. From that moment and on I was free,
Speaker 12: and I just went ahead and got into a fight
Speaker 12: with terrorists in order to save people.
Speaker 1: How many people, did you say a year ago today?
Speaker 12: So a few guys that I met their Israeli's. We
Speaker 12: fought against approximately forty Hamas tourists and we saved the
Speaker 12: community called kibutsal Umm.
Speaker 3: Around five hundred people lived there.
Speaker 12: No one Israeli died in this community because we got
Speaker 12: there in time and we were able to fight haramasof.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is a Now you were actually shot in
Speaker 1: your chest. Yeah, during the battle with the mass terrorists.
Speaker 3: Nothing prepared me to this day.
Speaker 12: I took a weapon from a dead soldier, I took
Speaker 12: a body armor from a wounded soldier, and in the
Speaker 12: fight from seven meters I got shot in the chess
Speaker 12: from a terrorist. Luckily I could continue on. We killed
Speaker 12: the dollist and we managed to not only finish this
Speaker 12: fight of Kibutz Alumin, but also to be one of
Speaker 12: the liberators of Kibutzberri.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, you know, I think you being one of
Speaker 1: the people who just turned around and went in to
Speaker 1: protect communities, mean you saved well five hundred lives that day.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Now you're now sharing the story the horrors of what
Speaker 1: happened with this virtual reality program. It's called Survived to
Speaker 1: tell be the witness. Kid, can you tell me how
Speaker 1: it works.
Speaker 9: I'm a CEO of Israelis.
Speaker 12: It's an NGO that tried to improve Israel image in
Speaker 12: the world throughout the fighting on October seven, I held
Speaker 12: with one end a machine gun and with the other
Speaker 12: my iPhone and I recorded. I documented what I saw
Speaker 12: because I knew that the world would renounce and.
Speaker 9: The world will try to say it was lies.
Speaker 12: It never happened, and unfortunately I saw everything in Kibbutzberry.
Speaker 12: I decided I want to bring this to us campuses,
Speaker 12: to have students watching it and as if they're really
Speaker 12: there in the Nova festival, in the Kibutzim. And now
Speaker 12: we can dialogue. Now we can create a conversation. We
Speaker 12: already met proximately ten thousand students around the world. Wow,
Speaker 12: and we are aiming to get to five hundred campuses
Speaker 12: next year in America alone.
Speaker 1: This is so important. So those students that we've seen
Speaker 1: at the campus is the stupid students. They can put
Speaker 1: this on. They can watch a virtual reality of what
Speaker 1: the terrorists were during that day. Because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of HARMSS body camp footage as well.
Speaker 12: So both the recording of Hamas's body camps and also
Speaker 12: testimonies from survivors. But the uniqueness is you're actually there.
Speaker 12: On three sixty you can meet Mazad Tazazzo and she
Speaker 12: can tell you this is the right bush where I hid.
Speaker 12: My best friends were killed in front of me, and
Speaker 12: you will be with her actually at the bush. And
Speaker 12: because there's so much ignorism and hate against Israel in
Speaker 12: those campuses and there are people that nurture this eight,
Speaker 12: we need to fight back and this is the best
Speaker 12: way we found. It's both storytelling and technology, and we
Speaker 12: believe in the power of it.
Speaker 1: You must have been so relieved to be able to
Speaker 1: go back home to your children that night a year ago.
Speaker 12: Sure, I mean for me, my children, my wife, my
Speaker 12: family is everything, and it's like I was reborn. I
Speaker 12: got my life back and it's a gift that I
Speaker 12: will never take for granted.
Speaker 1: Nimrod Palmach, thank you so much for joining me. Really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you very much. Now, thanks everyone for
Speaker 1: joining me tonight live from Israel from Jerusalem. Don't miss
Speaker 1: tomorrow at eight pm. I've got another big show, more
Speaker 1: incredible stories. Please join me, And right now I'm going
Speaker 1: to hand you over to my very good friend back
Speaker 1: in Australia, Paul Murray.