WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 9 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey there, and welcome to the program. James Burrow here

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in for Paul here on Paul Murray Live. Another

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<v Speaker 2>jam pack show for you guys tonight, All killer, no filler,

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<v Speaker 2>including in just a few moments the mayor of Alice Springs,

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to tell us all about how that snap

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<v Speaker 2>three day curfew is going and what can be done

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<v Speaker 2>to stop the violence in that town once and for all.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus a bit later in the program, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>introduce you to a new and I think very sensible

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<v Speaker 2>voice on the energy debate and how the government is

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<v Speaker 2>screwing it up with both hands. That's a little later

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<v Speaker 2>in the program, but first let's do a little more

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<v Speaker 2>of the swampy Joe now, sleepy Joe crisis, which is, yeah, really,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a crisis now because a lot of Democrats and

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<v Speaker 2>all the media who went along for years with the

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<v Speaker 2>charade that Joe Biden was okay are now entirely furious

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been made to look like fools after that

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<v Speaker 2>debate performance last month. They want Biden to go, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Bidens they want to stay. Joe and Jill and Hunter,

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<v Speaker 2>they're all hold up in the White House and sending

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<v Speaker 2>the message they are not going anywhere. Actually, Jill doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden sorry, got to get her title right. She's

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<v Speaker 2>not hold up. She's going out there and acting like

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<v Speaker 2>the candidate herself. She's done a three state tour in

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<v Speaker 2>just one day to campaign on Joe's behalf. And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what, right now, the ladies not for turning,

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<v Speaker 2>have a look.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe has made it clear that he's all in. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the decision that he's made, and as he has always

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<v Speaker 3>supported my career, I am all into.

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<v Speaker 2>An apologies at home if that shattered any crystal sitting

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<v Speaker 2>around your lounge room as that played. But meanwhile, there

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<v Speaker 2>are increasing concerns about the President's health and whether he

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<v Speaker 2>may actually have Parkinson's disease, after it was revealed that

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<v Speaker 2>a Parkinson specialist from the Walter Reed Medical Center visited

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<v Speaker 2>the White House eight times in the past year, entirely coincidentally.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it was just dropping by for a cup

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<v Speaker 2>of tea. And now just in the past few hours,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has broken his silence after I think ten

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<v Speaker 2>days of not doing any public events, telling Fox News

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<v Speaker 2>is Sean Hannity about the debate and his concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden that developed while they were on stage.

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<v Speaker 4>That night, the moment they introduced us and then they

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<v Speaker 4>introduced him and introduce me, and I walked out on

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<v Speaker 4>us arm and he looked extremely pale, to put it nicely,

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know, maybe it was a good makeup

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<v Speaker 4>job or maybe it wasn't, but he was a very

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<v Speaker 4>pale looking man. And when he started to speak, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I thought his voice was weak. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know exactly what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Was strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he saw the same stuff that we all saw

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<v Speaker 2>at home. But in the meantime, Joe Biden, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, this is where the real crisis comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be very hard to get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>him because he has the delegates to stay on the

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<v Speaker 2>ticket in November, and the US Constitution doesn't really provide

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<v Speaker 2>an easy way out of this. There's no party room

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<v Speaker 2>to roll him like there is here or in a

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<v Speaker 2>Westminster democracy. Now we're going to take a deeper dive

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<v Speaker 2>into this with the panel shortly, but in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, what an absolute mess. Now again, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have the out springs. Mayor Matt Patterson here with

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<v Speaker 2>the latest from the Northern Territory of the curfew and

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<v Speaker 2>the ongoing crime problem. But before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister has had another stab at social cohesion today.

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<v Speaker 2>Social cohesion, of course, is the code word or the

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<v Speaker 2>code phrase that we used to say, Hey, we let

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<v Speaker 2>our society become totally fractured by multiculturalism and self loathing,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we've got to figure out how to stick

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<v Speaker 2>it all back together. Well, and I suppose kudos to

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albinizi for recognizing that, yes, we do have a

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<v Speaker 2>real problem here and that particularly since October seventh, naked

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<v Speaker 2>antisemitism in its rawest form has been a real serious

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<v Speaker 2>concern for the community. Today Albinizi announced the appointment of

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<v Speaker 2>a new anti Semitism Envoy, Gillian Siegel. She is a

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<v Speaker 2>prominent and very well regarded Sydney businesswoman and lawyer and

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<v Speaker 2>leader in the Jewish community, and she was tapped by

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<v Speaker 2>the PM to help tackle the crisis. Here's a little

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<v Speaker 2>of what the PM had to say.

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<v Speaker 5>What we need to do is to make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>the conflict that is occurring in the Middle East has

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<v Speaker 5>caused a great deal of grief for the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 5>for members of the Islamic Palestinian communities. Australians overwhelmingly do

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<v Speaker 5>not want conflict brought here. The appointment is for three years.

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<v Speaker 5>We hope that there's not a need to have ongoing work,

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<v Speaker 5>but it has been a reminder over recent months that

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<v Speaker 5>we just can't take that respect and social cohesion for granted,

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<v Speaker 5>we need to nourish it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, good, and good on the Prime Minister. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is all fine as far as it goes. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think it's a lovely idea, but

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<v Speaker 2>as always, the devil is in the detail. The first

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<v Speaker 2>and I think biggest issue here is that the PM

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<v Speaker 2>is once again doing the both sides thing. There's reason

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<v Speaker 2>the host of the show, Paul Murray calls him each

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<v Speaker 2>way albow. He's absolutely terrified that labor is on the

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<v Speaker 2>nose with Muslim voters in heavily Muslim seats in Western

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney and Melbourne, and that the rumblings from Fatima Payman

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<v Speaker 2>and others who now seem to be organizing what might

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<v Speaker 2>fairly be called the Islamic Teals is just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>So not only is Albanezi appointing someone to tackle the

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<v Speaker 2>very real anti Semitism problem. But yeah, you knew this

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<v Speaker 2>was coming, did it you. He is also going to

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<v Speaker 2>a point on islama phobia Envoy for real.

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<v Speaker 5>Shortly we'll also be announcing an envoy on Islamophobia that

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<v Speaker 5>will be important as well, playing a similar role working

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<v Speaker 5>with that community to promote social cohesion.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you don't even have to agree with the late

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Hitchin's definition of his lava phobia. Look it up

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<v Speaker 2>if you're curious to see why this is a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is of course not the first time of

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<v Speaker 2>the PM has done this both sides thing either on

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<v Speaker 2>this issue and many others being unable to condemn the

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<v Speaker 2>very real rise of antisemitism without also saying and his

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<v Speaker 2>lama phobia.

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<v Speaker 1>But look, I kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of think that even if both things exist, and sure

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<v Speaker 2>they do right now in Australia, they're not really on

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<v Speaker 2>the same scale. I mean, let me explain. After Hamas's

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<v Speaker 2>October seventh attacks, while Israel was still counting it's dead

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<v Speaker 2>before it's fired a single shot in retaliation, did pro

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli demonstrators we never saw this. We didn't see them

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<v Speaker 2>swarm the opera house and chant threatening slogans about Muslims.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we no? But there were plenty of Muslims out

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<v Speaker 2>chanting f the Jews and lots of other nasty stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>even if the New South Wales police took great pains

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<v Speaker 2>to assure us that they weren't saying gas the Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>But where's the Jews? Because I'm sure the demonstrators just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to invite them to a friendly interfaith if tar.

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<v Speaker 2>Nor have we seen much of the way, frankly, of

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<v Speaker 2>Jews celebrating the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza, though we

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<v Speaker 2>did see a fair bit of this in those western

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney seats. The PM is so keen to keep for labor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm slighty, I'm smiling, and I'm happy. I'm the nighted.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a day of courage charming. Are you feeling the

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<v Speaker 2>enrichment yet? And of course these there were. Was, but

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't much in the ways of convoys of cars driving

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<v Speaker 2>through predominantly Muslim neighborhoods, either waving Israeli flags and intimidating

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<v Speaker 2>people like there were Palestinian supporters blasting through Jewish neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>The fact is Labor really only does the right thing

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<v Speaker 2>on this when it thinks it can get away with it,

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<v Speaker 2>just as it finally backed an in query into anti

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<v Speaker 2>semitism in universities last week, two months after shutting down

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<v Speaker 2>another attempt to get one up by the Coalition. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we all need to be really clear here that

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism is a civilizational sickness, and one that is

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<v Speaker 2>these days far more often seen on the left than

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<v Speaker 2>on the right. Just think of Jeremy Corbyn in England,

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<v Speaker 2>or the virulent anti semitism on display from the far

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<v Speaker 2>left in France which won that election the other day,

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<v Speaker 2>and where things have gotten so bad that the chief

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi in that country has sold Jews that if they can,

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<v Speaker 2>they should move out of the country. Now let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to Alice Springs, which has gone through its first night

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<v Speaker 2>of a snap curfew. The mayor of Matt Patterson has

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<v Speaker 2>been good enough to join us here on Palmurray Live. Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>how did things go in the first night?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks for having me. It was quieter.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't a perfect night, but it certainly was better

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<v Speaker 6>than what we've seen the last six or seven days.

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<v Speaker 6>So we had a few cars stolen in the industrial area,

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<v Speaker 6>which is not impacted by the declaration. But look, it

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<v Speaker 6>was certainly better than what it was, but it certainly

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just very briefly, just explain to viewers who

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<v Speaker 2>might just be tuting into this situation what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the lead up to this decision to issue this curfew.

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<v Speaker 6>So a brief snapshot is there was a police officer

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<v Speaker 6>on Judy at a bottle shot, which is pretty standard

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<v Speaker 6>as to what we have. He was doing his job

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<v Speaker 6>and he was involved in a hit and run accident.

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<v Speaker 6>We've seen a person stabbed on the council lawns in

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<v Speaker 6>a Natock celebration. We then seen four off duty police

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<v Speaker 6>officers walking home from a function bashed by twenty people,

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<v Speaker 6>and then ap and a group of views hold up

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<v Speaker 6>a service station with weapons and still are about four

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<v Speaker 6>and a half thousand dollars worth of cash. So it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't just a one incident that's led us to this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It was many so a whole series of alleged incidents

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<v Speaker 2>against a variety of people with some wild allegations there.

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<v Speaker 2>What has been the mood in the community with things

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<v Speaker 2>being so bad that this action is needy. How are

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<v Speaker 2>people feeling on the streets.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, firstly, they're pretty disappointed to be on

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<v Speaker 6>the front page of every newspaper again because preceding this

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<v Speaker 6>it was actually a really nice place to live. From

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<v Speaker 6>the last curfew, it's actually made a dramatic impact, right,

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<v Speaker 6>So whatever they did twelve weeks ago was clearly worked

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<v Speaker 6>and we've just had a small hiccup. But people are frustrated,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, they don't celebrate the decision for a curfew.

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<v Speaker 6>They welcome it because they want to be safe, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think first and foremost people want to be safe

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<v Speaker 6>in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>We did see last time more people who've.

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<v Speaker 6>Lived in Alice Springs for a long time go out

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<v Speaker 6>to restaurants and because they hadn't felt safe for months before.

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<v Speaker 6>So we'll wait and see what this holds. It's meant

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<v Speaker 6>to close on Thursday. My gut feeling is that it

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<v Speaker 6>will be extended past the weekend, but we'll wait and

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<v Speaker 6>see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's quite telling what you say that

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<v Speaker 2>about people, you know, being able to feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>can come out again after you know, feeling like they're

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<v Speaker 2>under seedge for months. But you know these snap curfews

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<v Speaker 2>aren't the long term fixed As the mayor, what policy

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<v Speaker 2>changes do you think need to be made, either to

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<v Speaker 2>territory or a federal level.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we've had, you know, this is thirty years of

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<v Speaker 6>policy on the run that's got our Springs into this

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<v Speaker 6>situation like Ola Springs in Central Australia. You know, we

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<v Speaker 6>are a service hub too many remote communities and fortunately

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<v Speaker 6>they're just all coming to Alice Springs for whatever to

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<v Speaker 6>make Alice Springs their home. And that's not right or wrong,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's meaning that remote community is becoming scarcer. I

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<v Speaker 6>think the announcement by the Prime Minister of around two

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and fifty million that's the right idea, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's got to hit the ground sooner or later,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's not a criticism of it taking so long. Finally,

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<v Speaker 6>we've had a bucket of money that's been consulted properly

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<v Speaker 6>about where to spend. It's just been a long time

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<v Speaker 6>between drinks for remote remote communities to roll that cash

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<v Speaker 6>out on.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will wait and see.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously, clearly we need some safe housing for young people

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<v Speaker 6>in Central Australia where one of the only jurisdictions in

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<v Speaker 6>the country without.

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<v Speaker 1>A youth for you, we clearly need that.

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<v Speaker 6>We've talked many times, you and I about the challenges

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<v Speaker 6>of youth and housing and homelessness faith in the region.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be at the top of the priority

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<v Speaker 1>list for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Alice Springsby or Matt Patterson, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>your time and I hope the next time that we

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<v Speaker 2>chat we can be talking about some tourist development or

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<v Speaker 2>something you know really positive in your community. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much being the time to join me here on

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<v Speaker 2>Palmurray Live. And good luck to you and the entire

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<v Speaker 2>Alice Springs community tonight. Now there's something you don't see

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<v Speaker 2>every day. A blockade Australia protester has been sent to prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Davey was sentenced to three months jail after being

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<v Speaker 2>among the thirty people charged for disrupting trains around the

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<v Speaker 2>Port of Newcastle recently. Let's bring in my first panel,

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<v Speaker 2>National's MP Keith Pitt and media writer for The Australian,

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie Ellsworth. Keith, Sophie, thanks so much for joining me

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<v Speaker 2>here on the program. I'm just amazed to have this

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<v Speaker 2>good news story here of a protester actually getting a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of co come up in for their actions. Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think there's justice served here?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, firstly, finally, it's about time. But keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 7>what about the other twenty nine. Where's their gile tern?

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<v Speaker 7>Because they've all disrupted the railway network. It impacts passenger

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<v Speaker 7>services as well. It Delais Coull supplies all around the world.

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<v Speaker 7>It costs the fortune, which is why they do it.

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<v Speaker 7>But worse still, they put themselves at risk. And for

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<v Speaker 7>all of those train drivers, they know how long it

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<v Speaker 7>takes for those trains to stop. It could be more

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<v Speaker 7>than a kilometer. And yet you've got protesters. They think

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<v Speaker 7>you can just jump in front of them and they'll

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<v Speaker 7>push a button and this thing will pull up. Someone

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<v Speaker 7>will get hurt. It's about time they've cracked down, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think there should be more of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right there. But

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie Lura is appealing the sentence, which may see her

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<v Speaker 2>treated like another protester, Violet Coco, who was released and

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<v Speaker 2>immediately vowed to keep protesting. I feel like something needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be done here because these courts in general seem

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<v Speaker 2>to just go for the minimum do we need to

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<v Speaker 2>have some sort of mandatory minimums where you actually do

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<v Speaker 2>see the inside of a cell if you do this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of activity.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, in my view, James, there is not a severe

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<v Speaker 8>enough penalty for these protesters because it's not to tearing

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<v Speaker 8>them from you know, taking place in these ridiculous, dangerous

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<v Speaker 8>and quite frankly stupid acts that they're doing, putting their

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<v Speaker 8>own lives at risk, as Keith said, and also the

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<v Speaker 8>lives of others. It's completely moronic and they should be

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<v Speaker 8>punished for it. I'm all for people protesting and voicing

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<v Speaker 8>their opinions, but to do so carefully and not getting

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<v Speaker 8>in the way of others who are going about their business.

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<v Speaker 8>And this is massively disruptive, you know, to the train services,

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<v Speaker 8>to the Qulifi power stations. This is really dangerous stuff,

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<v Speaker 8>and as Keith said, it's only a matter of time

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<v Speaker 8>before somebody does get hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let's hope that it's not one of those

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<v Speaker 2>first responders or a police officer or somebody else who's

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with these people when they are you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>go out and do these I think frankly really narcissistic

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<v Speaker 2>and ego driven protests about their own petty cause of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. But let's move on to another story here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this is something that's really important and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people have tuned in on this enough.

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<v Speaker 2>More disappointing figures around our wage growth as the Organization

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<v Speaker 2>for Economic Cooperation and Development the OECD, has just revealed

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<v Speaker 2>hours ago that Australian real wage growth is among the

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<v Speaker 2>worst of the OECD's thirty eight nations, lagging behind the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>the US, the Canada in Canada, Sophie, is this another

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<v Speaker 2>labor promise broken? Here? The report says Australia remained four

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<v Speaker 2>point eight percent below pre pandemic levels. We are now

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<v Speaker 2>poorer than we were before the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think James, a lot of people would agree

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<v Speaker 8>with that. It seems that many people have less money

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<v Speaker 8>in their pockets since labor got into government. Now could

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<v Speaker 8>the coalition have changed this? We won't know obviously. However,

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<v Speaker 8>we were promised, for instance, that our power bills would

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<v Speaker 8>come down, that our wages would go up, and we

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<v Speaker 8>would be better off under Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi. And

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<v Speaker 8>I think if you went and did a street poll

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<v Speaker 8>and ask punters out there how they're feeling. I don't

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<v Speaker 8>think you'd find many who say they are financially better

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<v Speaker 8>off under this labor government.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the think, Keith. I mean, Alban Easy and

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<v Speaker 2>Charldraze keep saying, oh, you know, we're getting wages moving again.

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<v Speaker 2>People are getting more money in their pocket. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get more money in our pay packets now. This

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<v Speaker 2>month there's been millions of dollars telling us all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the heart of this, to me, Keith, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like there's a couple of issues. Number one, productivity

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<v Speaker 2>and number two the huge amounts of migrants that we're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing in every year to this country who are suppressing wages.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we get productivity moving again, Keith.

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<v Speaker 7>Pitt Well, Jimbo's actually delivered on a commitment. He's got

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<v Speaker 7>real wages moving. It's just the wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 2>They all worse off.

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<v Speaker 7>This is the fundamental problem. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 7>treasure who struts up to the dispatch box, models himself

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<v Speaker 7>on the Collkeating, leans in on the elbow, and spends

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<v Speaker 7>all of his time talking about Angus Taylor. None of

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<v Speaker 7>those things help people deal with inflation. Inflation which is

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<v Speaker 7>a direct result of the labor government's policies. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>get productivity improvements, it doesn't get more houses built, It

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<v Speaker 7>got real wages moving in the wrong direction. And we

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<v Speaker 7>will see more of this because Jimbo nomics just doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 7>And every single Australian their dollar is now worth less

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<v Speaker 7>than what it was when labor came into government. They

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<v Speaker 7>can buy less with it. The cost of everything is

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<v Speaker 7>through the roof and you're on the money. Unless you're

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<v Speaker 7>going to address productivity and get inflation under control, this

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<v Speaker 7>is going to continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's it. Productively is the only way you get

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<v Speaker 2>inflation under control. You talk to any Cannovis, they'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that. But let's let's go over because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you guys. I want to get you

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<v Speaker 2>guys thoughts about old Joe Biden, who is now I think,

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<v Speaker 2>completely committed to staying in the race. He says he's

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<v Speaker 2>in it for the long haul, and he's written a

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<v Speaker 2>letter to Congressional Democrats saying he's not going anywhere. And

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<v Speaker 2>he even called in to MSNBC, which is basically like

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, Zvestia of America. Here's the Soviet White

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<v Speaker 2>House broadcasting channel to Morning Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, give me a break, Come with me.

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<v Speaker 4>Why why I'm getting so frustrated by the elite.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, I'm not talking about you guys, but about the

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<v Speaker 8>elite and the party who.

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<v Speaker 4>They know so much more. But any of these guys,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I should run against me. Announced the

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<v Speaker 4>president challenge man to convention.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, he's fired up there. But I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>his former White House Press Secretary Jen Saki has said,

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<v Speaker 2>It is time to really ask if he if Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden is the best man for the job.

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<v Speaker 9>The man I saw on that debate stage in Atlanta

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<v Speaker 9>was not the person I worked for more than two

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<v Speaker 9>years ago. It is not about whether he would stand

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<v Speaker 9>up for democracy.

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<v Speaker 10>He would.

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<v Speaker 9>It is whether he is the right person to defeat

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump. If I sat here every night and told

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<v Speaker 9>you that every question being asked out there is unfair,

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<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't be respecting you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie. This is a really big loss I think for

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<v Speaker 2>Biden in terms of you know, his supporters, but also

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as somebody who covers the media, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you make of all of these people in the US

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<v Speaker 2>media who had spent years and years and years saying no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's fine. All your people on you know, Sky News,

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<v Speaker 2>you say he's not. You guys are gaslighting. Well they

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<v Speaker 2>were gaslighting us. They knew, and now they're angry that

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<v Speaker 2>they've been shown up. What do you make of the

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<v Speaker 2>mood of the media in the US, Sophie.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, James, you know, is better than anyone.

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<v Speaker 8>But quite frankly, I think the main have been quite

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<v Speaker 8>appalling and not calling out Joe Biden for his failures,

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<v Speaker 8>his cognitive failures that have been present and obvious four years.

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<v Speaker 8>They have been in total denial James over this. We

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<v Speaker 8>were talking about this on Sky long long ago and

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<v Speaker 8>criticized heavily for this. But now they've finally woken up

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<v Speaker 8>over there in America, and I think this is the

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<v Speaker 8>gift that is just going to keep giving for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 8>Why would he want Joe Biden to step aside? Not

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<v Speaker 8>forgetting Joe Biden is eighty two in November, So if

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<v Speaker 8>you're get into office and he's in this shape and now,

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<v Speaker 8>heaven help us if he's got another four years ahead,

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<v Speaker 8>and James to be really honest about this, I think

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<v Speaker 8>it's a sad state of affairs that he doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 8>to have all his faculties, but his ego is getting

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<v Speaker 8>the better of him, and he's determined and saying I

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<v Speaker 8>will stay here.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, this is going to be a shocking a

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<v Speaker 10>few months.

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<v Speaker 8>Ahead for him, with already that disastrous presidential debate. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>if that's the warm up, Heaven help us for the

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<v Speaker 8>rest of what we've got ahead in months.

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<v Speaker 2>To go, and between now and the election and the

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<v Speaker 2>inauguration day, you know, all of the world's enemies, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea, Russia, China will be all looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking who's in charge here? Keith Pitt. Former Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister John Howard told this network earlier today. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that were we in one of the United States, in

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<v Speaker 2>an Australian type of situation, you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>a system of government, this guy would have been tapped

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<v Speaker 2>on the shoulder long ago. Is he right? And is

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<v Speaker 2>this a flaw in the otherwise glorious American constitutional system

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<v Speaker 2>that there's no way really to move somebody on in

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of situation.

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<v Speaker 7>I was in Australie, he wouldn't be tapped on the shovel.

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<v Speaker 7>He'd be run over by the charge of the Lbrary

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<v Speaker 7>guide everybody in the house, the rips, we'll be stepping

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<v Speaker 7>up apart from across the fifteen pH that so can

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<v Speaker 7>Ne would be probably minister because that's the arrangement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>but I mean it's just so blatantly obvious now and

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<v Speaker 7>the American people I do deserve better. Inside is the

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<v Speaker 7>world we were law on the United States for security.

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<v Speaker 7>They want to be a greatest allies, in fact, probably

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<v Speaker 7>the greatest defense alloy that we have. And the idea

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<v Speaker 7>that a country of three hundred million people has no

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<v Speaker 7>one else, I just think that's fanciful. Clearly there are others.

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<v Speaker 7>Whatever needs to happen has to happen. It's their democratic system.

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<v Speaker 7>That's that's how I get things done. But by in

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<v Speaker 7>Australia you wouldn't have to step up on os for

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<v Speaker 7>a challenger.

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<v Speaker 10>I'd already be.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be a lot of hands up with that party.

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<v Speaker 2>Who will tell you what? But you know this, this

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>has gone from what we've joked about about tripping up

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<v Speaker 2>the stairs and falling off bikes. We're now in a

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<v Speaker 2>really serious territory and there's now a lot of swirling

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>rumor I mentioned this at the start of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the President have Parkinson's or some other degenerative condition?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we had this news that the Parks

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<v Speaker 2>a specialist has visited the White House eight times in

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<v Speaker 2>eight months now. The current White House Press Secretary, Karine

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<v Speaker 2>Jean Pierre, she had a huge blue in the media

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<v Speaker 2>room with the other reporters today. She was pretty animated

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<v Speaker 2>on this. Have a look at this.

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<v Speaker 11>So I am telling you that he has seen or

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<v Speaker 11>a neurologists three times while he has been in this presidency.

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<v Speaker 11>That's what I'm saying her. I also said to you,

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<v Speaker 11>for security reasons, we cannot share names. We cannot share names.

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<v Speaker 2>And this went back and forth for ten or twelve

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<v Speaker 2>minutes here. But Sophie, again, from a media perspective, why

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<v Speaker 2>does it Joe Biden just take the cognitive tests and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll do it live on TV. This would

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be the thing that would just set this

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<v Speaker 2>all to rest.

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<v Speaker 10>James, of course, he's not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the money would be on that he would

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 8>fail miserably.

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 10>And this is just.

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 8>Diverting away from the issues in America they should be addressing.

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 8>But instead all the media coverage he's focused on. Is

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 8>Joe Biden mentally up to running for president again?

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 10>This is a massive distraction. This is a gift.

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 8>For Donald Trump and hugely embarrassing for Joe Biden. Even

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 8>if we're discussing this now, people will make their own

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 8>minds up whether there's a piece of paper from a.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 10>Doctor or not.

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 8>The guy doesn't know half the names of people. He

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 8>stuffs things up repeatedly. He falls upstairs, he falls off bicycles.

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.959
<v Speaker 10>I mean, it's sad to watch.

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<v Speaker 8>This is the president of the US who's digging his

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 8>heels in and saying, I am staying here. I mean,

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 8>how is he going to run an office If he's

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 8>saying at the presidential bait he's tired after he was

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 8>on a flight several weeks earlier.

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 10>He probably is tired.

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 8>He's eighty one, for heaven's sake, he probably does need

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 8>to put his feet up and have a rest. I

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 8>think a lot of us would be doing that at

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.119
<v Speaker 8>eighty one. But this is really just dragging out the

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 8>inevitable that he's not up to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Keith, we've got these stories that you know

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>he has to go to bed at eight pm. We're

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>two years ago. He was at a meeting with Germany.

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>He went to bed early and Anthony Blincoln had to

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>come and step in at the meeting. How concerns would

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 2>be here in Australia about our security umbrella when we've

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>got somebody like Joe Biden and god knows who was

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>actually running things and picking up the phone the red

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>foot if that rings you in the White House.

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 7>I don't think there's any doubt that the US administration

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 7>will will support Australia. I don't think there's any question

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 7>of suret whatsoever. In their time of need. We have

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 7>always supported them and I think that will always hold.

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Us in good stead.

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 7>But just the fact that anyone's talking about, oh, you

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 7>have to do a cognitive test and you have to

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 7>get adopted to certified, just the fact that those questions

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 7>are around are incredibly damaging. I mean, it's like Homer

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 7>Simpson when he gets certified saying right, and that's straight

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 7>out of a cartoon. We're talking about the leader of

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 7>the United States. And just the fact that the media

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 7>is talking about this and this is a focus. Surely

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 7>Summer can get this sorted.

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<v Speaker 2>Bet, you're completely right. I couldn't agree with more with

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 2>both of you. Keith Pitt, Sophie Elsworth, thank you so

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>much for coming on joining me tonight on Paul Murray Live.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 2>We'll see you next time. Now, the debate continues after

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 2>the break. My next panel'll be taking a look at

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:26.959
<v Speaker 2>at the New South Wales premiers proposed micro cities. Is

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this going to be the solution really to the ever

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>worsening housing crisis? Stick around after the break. Welcome back

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>to the program. James Morrow here filling in for Paul

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>on Paul Murray Live. Let's continue the debate and discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is Center for Youth Policy at the

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Menzies Research Center Director Freya Leach and LLNP MP Henry Pike.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to both of you now. Freya, I want to

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>talk to you about this here. Housing it is like

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>the number one concern for young people. You're a young person.

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>The first draft proposals under New South Wales Premiere Chris

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Mins has got this accelerated precincts idea in Sydney's north

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and northwest. He wants to put these micro cities all

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>around in these outer suburbs with thirty thousand homes and

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>some sort of density and things like this. Is this

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 2>a solution? Is this going to be the solution to

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>getting young people into homes?

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<v Speaker 12>It's hard to say. I mean, I think you're exactly right.

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 12>It is the number one issue, and for good reason.

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 12>Home ownership has never been more difficult for young people

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 12>than it is today. The question is will this be enough?

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 12>I'm not so sure. We've had about one point two

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 12>million new migrants come to the country since the election.

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 12>We've built about three hundred and eighty thousand houses. The

0:30:56.200 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 12>math ain't math in as as, so I'm not sure

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 12>if these microcities are going to change that. I think

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 12>it's the right approach. Planning reform is definitely needed, but

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 12>there are a lot of other factors impacting the housing

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 12>market as well. We've seen builders going bus. The rate

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 12>of builders going bus is increased by one hundred and

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 12>fifty percent in the last year. At the same time,

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 12>the number of people going into apprenticeships is decreased by

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 12>twenty two percent. Cost of materials, inflation, interest rates are

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 12>all still going up. So amidst that environment, will Chris

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 12>Mins's micro cities be the solution? I'd love if they were.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 12>I'm just not confident.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Henry Pike, I mean, you know, you're in Queensland,

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>so it's slightly different for you. But the same problem

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 2>exists basically everywhere. It's too many people, not enough houses,

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>it cost too much to build, there's too many regulations,

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff. You know, where where is the

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>government falling down on its ability to create this And

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>how much can can the federal government even do besides

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>dialing down the huge number of migrants that we're getting

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>into the country every year, to actually encourage the supply

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>of housing.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a very, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Good question, James.

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<v Speaker 13>It's one of the most intractable problems that we have

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 13>in public policy at the moment. How do we get

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 13>affordable housing? How do we get enough housing to meet

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 13>the growing demand? And head off to Chris Mins, I

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 13>think this is a part of the puzzle that needs

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 13>to be done. I think this is a good step forward,

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 13>but there is a lot that we need to do

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 13>at all levels of government. And I think the role

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 13>for the federal government is to really use what we have,

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 13>and that is a lot of money and a lot

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 13>of pressure to be able to lean on the state

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 13>governments and say how you're going to actually increase supply.

0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 13>We can turn down demand. We've already made announcements around

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 13>trying to bring migration down to a sustainable level, but

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 13>really the pressure needs to be on local governments and

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 13>state governments to work out how do we boost supply,

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 13>how do we reform your planning systems to enable people

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 13>to build homes, and how do we get that trunk

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 13>infrastructure built out to these areas where we need to

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 13>kida for the growth.

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's the thing. I mean, if you're putting

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the housing out in places like Kellyville and Bella Vista,

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>beautiful parts of the world, but it's a long way

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>from anything anyway. Let's move on though, because there's so

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>much else to talk about. We brought you this story

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>yesterday and now supermarket giant Woolworths have apologized after backtracking

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 2>on their Australia Day merchandise blackout. Now this all comes

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>around the preparation for the Paris Olympics, and Woolley said,

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, we got the Olympics going on. We'll now

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.959
<v Speaker 2>sell some national flags, green and gold cupcakes, doughnuts and

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a smash cake whatever that is, with a dollar off

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>every product supporting Paralympics, Australia lovely stuff, And they said

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>that we acknowledge that we disappointed many of you and

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>our other customers when we decided not to sell Australian

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the merchandise in January this year. I note, though, Henry,

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 2>they didn't say Australia Day they said in January this year,

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>like they can't even bring themselves to say the words.

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 2>What do you make of this? Backflip? Is this just

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 2>all about trying to get Peter Dutton not to break

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>them up?

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 13>That may be part of it, James, that may be

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 13>part of it. I did also note the emission of

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 13>the words Australia from their statement, and as the proponent

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:28.879
<v Speaker 13>of my Australia Bill to ensure we keep the day

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 13>on the twenty sixth of January, I was disappointed to

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 13>see that. But also they acknowledged the Australian flag not

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 13>as our flag, but as the symbol of the Australian

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 13>Olympic team. And I thought, okay, that side, let's also

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.839
<v Speaker 13>the symbol of our nation. Isn't that what's celebrating? Why

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.720
<v Speaker 13>are you only bringing it in at this point in time. Look,

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 13>I welcome their backflip. I think it's long over due,

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 13>but I hope that as we creep around Australia next year,

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 13>I'm not going to just see green and gold cupcakes.

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 13>But I want the full Australian paraphernalia. I want all

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 13>the bunting to be able to purchase to take over

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 13>to my place for my barbecue.

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean, fre it's really amazing to me.

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>We are in July, you know, so Australia is like

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>five six months away and we are already having this debate.

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Isn't there a huge problem here when corporates like Wilworth

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>and all these other companies they keep trying to just

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, dial things around in the culture according to

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 2>their own kind of c suite ethics, which are very lefty,

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>very woke and all of that, rather than just you know,

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 2>giving people what to want.

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 12>Amazing, I know, right, I mean that's the thing is

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 12>a private company ultimately, they can do whatever they want,

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 12>and if they're on a boycott Australia day, they can

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 12>do that. But wading into cultural territory from the comfy

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 12>couches of your multi billion dollar company executive office, I

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 12>don't think that's a smart thing to do. And I

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 12>think they're realizing it puts you into a tough, tough position,

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 12>and they're backtracking. And I think what we do know

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 12>about Australia is they don't want elites trying to change

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 12>our culture by stealth. If we are going to have

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 12>a conversation about changing the day, then that should be

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 12>in the open and driven by the public. It shouldn't

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 12>be driven by people sitting in c suite offices like

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 12>you said.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:19.959
<v Speaker 2>Well, and you know, I was going to get to

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the queens lande crime crisis in a minute with Henry,

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>but I want to just follow up with this for you,

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>because you know you're at the Menzies Research Center. There's

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of talk about social cohesion and you know,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>how we come together as a nation. And I know

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Australia is a symbolic thing, but is it a damaging

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>thing if we don't have any sort of uniting symbols

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>or days that we can just get together around rather

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>than having this horrible, torturous conversation God help us every year.

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.959
<v Speaker 12>Well, it's part of what makes a country a nation

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 12>rather than just a state. You can be a state

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 12>where people all he lives again, or a dormitory. You

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 12>happen to live in the same place at the same time,

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 12>but that doesn't make you a nation. You're a nation

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 12>when you have shared stories and values that bind you

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:12.720
<v Speaker 12>together into one people. As we lose symbol after symbol,

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:17.919
<v Speaker 12>day after day, tradition after tradition, we undermine that nationhood

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.840
<v Speaker 12>and Australia starts to be reduced to a country estate,

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 12>but not a nation of unified people. And that is

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 12>a real risk and I think that's something we should

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:27.720
<v Speaker 12>fight against.

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 2>That is very very well said. Now let's move on, though.

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 2>We got to go back to Queenslan because we've got

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>this huge election coming up and crime crisis and Premier

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Miles smile and Stephen Miles he's continuing to feel

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 2>the heat after he failed to rebuke Opposition leader David

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Chris Fooley's adult crime Adult time policy. Miles slammed it

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>as a slick forward slogan. I think that's inflation. We

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>used to have three word slogans. Now we have forward

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 2>slogans without offering any real or substantial we said. In

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 2>case you missed it, here's what Smiles had to say.

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 14>The MP's own police spokesperson says that they see crime

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 14>as the way to win seats, that his job as

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 14>their police spokesperson is to exploit crime to win seats,

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 14>and that's all David Christophiley is doing here with another

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 14>slick focus group's political.

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Slogan, Well, Henry, I mean, I don't think if you're

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a victim of a crime or a carjacking or a

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 2>home invasion in Townsville or Brisbane or some regional center,

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>you really care too much about Steven Miles's complaints. But

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a forward slogan you want something done. I presume you

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 2>would be backing David chrisofully In on this adult crime

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>adult time policy.

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, one percent. It is absolutely necessary now here in Queensland.

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.879
<v Speaker 13>The youth crime crisis across the state is totally out

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 13>of control. It used to be a problem in Townsville

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 13>and other regional centers. Now it is a problem in

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<v Speaker 13>every suburb, in every corner of the state. It's reached

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<v Speaker 13>plague proportions. And this is really the only step, one

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<v Speaker 13>of several steps, but is I think a really important

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 13>step to try to get a handle on it. And

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 13>Queenslanders have just simply had enough and those sort of

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 13>blame excuses from Stephen Miles trying to play politics for

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<v Speaker 13>the matter, this is something of top concern to the

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 13>households my electorate. They're sick of having to have the

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 13>conversation about where they hide their keys each evening. They're

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 13>sick of having to worry about, you know, installing the

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 13>latest CCTV and security cameras in their home. It's reached

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<v Speaker 13>the point where it is just ludicrous. And I really

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<v Speaker 13>please the Chris of fully oppositions taking this big stand

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 13>and are going to finally provide, you know, this sort

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 13>of big stick approach. And I think it's actually a

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.919
<v Speaker 13>compassionate approach because if we nip this thing in the butt,

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<v Speaker 13>we can actually give these kids an opportunity to do

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<v Speaker 13>something else with their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me that crime is one of those issues,

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of like immigration, that really divides the elite from

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 2>everybody else, and people who have ordinary, everyday concerns about

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 2>these issues like crime, you know, they get sneered at

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>by the labor types and the greenee types. Why is

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>it then that parties like labor cannot bring themselves to say, hey,

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what, we acknowledge this is a problem that

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 2>there's real concern we're going to do something, and instead

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 2>we see this incredibly glib display from Steven Miles to say, oh, well,

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're concerned about crime, you know, suggesting almost that

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 2>you're an out of touch idiot yogel.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, that's exactly right, and I think so much

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<v Speaker 12>of well, the thing with these policies is you can

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 12>always wheel out some sort of expert who's willing to

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 12>say that, oh, adult crime, adult time. That's never going

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 12>to work. A lot of the legal field has been

0:40:56.200 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 12>taken over by woke academics who try to continually find

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 12>and you know, flaws in the justice system. And actually

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 12>detention is never the answer, and we can rehabilitate everybody,

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 12>but you need to take a common sense approach. What

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 12>is actually happening happening in Queensland at the moment, it's horrific.

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 12>People do not deserve that they deserve to be protected

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 12>in their communities. So I think it's at the point

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 12>where you give everything a shot. And it seems like

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 12>Chris Fooley is the only one bringing forward bold policies

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<v Speaker 12>to tackle this very real issue.

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<v Speaker 2>BINGO, now I want to us very quickly. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>a minute left here talk about the miserable ghost. We

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>should have a think back on the on the screen

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 2>behind me, Malcolm Turbule. The fallout continues from his remarks

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>about Peter Dutton calling him a thug on the project.

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Imagine going on the project? How relevant deprivation syndrome must

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>you be suffering to go on the project anyway? Here's

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.240
<v Speaker 2>what so Peter van Ansler is written in The Daily

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Mail that Turble has not moved on. What did you make,

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Henry of Sorry of Malcolm Turnble's comments with Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 13>I thought it was rather just sad and pathetic. Really,

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 13>he's reached the point now where he's totally trashed any

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 13>legacy that he had left. I think he'd be less

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 13>frequent in bringing forth his opinion if he realized how

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 13>little people actually cared about his opinion. And I wish

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 13>he'd just going to mind his own business and get

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 13>on with life. Let it leave us to get on

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 13>with ours. It's really quite sad at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely couldn't say it better myself. I'm gonna have to

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>leave it there, friar Leitch, Henry Pike, thanks so much

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>for coming on. Now, stick around because I've got a

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 2>big energy discussion to have. Labor's nuclear scare campaign has

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>reached ahead and recent figures show nuclear costs aren't quite

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 2>as high as the elbow Bob is making them out

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 2>to be. You wouldn't imagine that, would you. South Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Center David Fawcett is with me next to discuss more

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<v Speaker 2>after the break. Welcome back to the pro James Borrow

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.240
<v Speaker 2>here sitting in for Paul Murray on Paul Murray Live.

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 2>And it is the debate that has Anthony Almanezy and

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dunton at ten paces over the past few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the debate over nuclear power and its role

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.399
<v Speaker 2>in our energy mix. The Prime Minister has a course

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.800
<v Speaker 2>shot down Peter Dutton and the Liberals push for nuclear

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 2>as being too expensive and even scary and dangerous, with

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 2>some MPs going as far as posting ridiculous juvenile three

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 2>eyed fish Simpsons memes. Now to talk about this and

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 2>give us a bit more of a new perspective on

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>this is South Australian Senator David Fawcett, who has been

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>very vocal about some of the criticism aimed at nuclear energy. David,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the program. Thanks for coming on Palmurray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's start out with this simple question. Is the

0:43:55.360 --> 0:44:00.720
<v Speaker 2>cost of nuclear energy as high as bad? As? Anthony

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>alban Easy, Chris Bowen, Labor everybody else are trying to

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 2>make it out to be.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, I think you should let the facts speak from themselves.

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<v Speaker 15>So here in South Australia, where we pay average about

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 15>forty five cents per killer what hour, and where the

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 15>state that in Australia leads the renewables transition. If you

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.399
<v Speaker 15>go and compare us to Canada on average, they pay

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 15>sixteen cents per killer what hour and they get nearly

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 15>sixty percent of their electricity from nuclear generation. So I

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 15>think the question is not is nuclear more expensive or

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 15>the most expensive? But the question should be is the

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 15>renewables plan as cheap as the Albanese government is promising,

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 15>or like Canada, should we be looking for an all

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 15>of the above approach that has nuclear power generation for

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:55.359
<v Speaker 15>base load combined with things like hydro as well as

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 15>some renewables.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's right. And you know it's funny because just

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.359
<v Speaker 2>before I came on the pro here, I popped by

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the house and there was a letter from my power

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.800
<v Speaker 2>company saying oh, your rates are going up again. And

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I know what the opera killer one hour and now,

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 2>but there's just up another another time again. And you

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 2>were recently critical too of entergy visus Chris Bowen's gen

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 2>calls support of the CSIRO's gen CASS report, Sorry, which

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>was used to push this renewable energy over nuclear debate.

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>What does and I want to just walk through this

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 2>with you, what does Bowen and that report of the

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 2>CSIRO get so wrong? Because the thing that I think

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>about that is, let's put together by scientists, not economists.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, so look, the key thing it gets wrong is

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<v Speaker 15>when I speak to people in the community, they're concerned

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 15>about the cost of electricity to them as a consumer,

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 15>whether that's mum and dad at home, whether it's a

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 15>small business or whether it's a power intensive industry, some

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 15>of whom are looking at going offshore because of the

0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 15>rising price of power. Here, what cost calculates And they

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 15>say this upfront in the report, is they cost that

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 15>or they calculate In fact, the correct word is they

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:12.800
<v Speaker 15>model the cost to generate and store electricity. They don't

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 15>cost the actual power to the consumer. And to do

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 15>that you have to move beyond this simple measure what

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 15>they call the levelized cost to look at the whole

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 15>system cost, which includes all of your transmission, you're firming, etc.

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 15>And on that basis, it's not measuring what it matters

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 15>to the consumer, and more to the point, it is modeling.

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.760
<v Speaker 15>And these gen Costs report highlights that they have picked

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<v Speaker 15>a model with a set of assumptions using an algorithm

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.800
<v Speaker 15>which is not transparent, and that's what they have based

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:51.280
<v Speaker 15>their whole argument on. But there are other expert bodies

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 15>in the world that have different models with different assumptions,

0:46:55.080 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 15>different algorithms that get different results which match the living

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 15>experience of countries like Canada, and I think Australians should

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 15>be seeking scrutiny as to why we can't have an open,

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 15>fact based debate around how we do actually calculate what's

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<v Speaker 15>in the nation's best interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, ancet, you know, one of the things that strikes

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<v Speaker 2>me is you see the algorithm is a black box,

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 2>and I think that that's disgraceful when it comes to

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 2>a transparent society. But also it makes assumptions like a

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 2>nuclear power plant only lasts for thirty years when they

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 2>last decades more, and don't take into the account. You

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>know that solar panels have a ten to twenty year lifespan,

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that windmills save thing. You know, there's a lot of

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.360
<v Speaker 2>things that even I an untrained eye can see is

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>wrong with this.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, and the assumptions they make, for example, are that

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 15>the station only lasts that long. But the lived experience

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 15>in the States is that of the ninety two or

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 15>so reactors in the States, nearly eighty eight have already

0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 15>had approval to extend their life from four years to

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 15>sixty years, and quite a few of them are now

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:07.319
<v Speaker 15>in the process of even now seeking an extension to

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 15>go from sixty to eighty years. So the lived experience

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 15>is that that upfront capital cost amortized over such a

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 15>long period is actually going to generate the cheapest form

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 15>of long run electricity. And that's the conclusion of expert

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:27.359
<v Speaker 15>bodies such as the International Energy Agency and the OECD

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 15>in a great report they put out in April of

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 15>twenty twenty two which highlights the cheapest form of electricity

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 15>is long run nuclear.

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<v Speaker 2>Senator David Fassit fascinating stuff. We're going to have to

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>leave it there. That's it for me tonight, but stay

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<v Speaker 2>tuned for The Late Debate coming up next