1 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:06,539 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed daily interview. I'm Michael 2 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:09,450 Speaker 1: Thompson. Over the last couple of years, we've spoken to 3 00:00:09,450 --> 00:00:12,450 Speaker 1: a number of Australian breweries and they often have something 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,660 Speaker 1: in common. Craft beer seems to be such an incredible 5 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:19,590 Speaker 1: growth market. There are so many breweries operating alongside a 6 00:00:19,590 --> 00:00:22,350 Speaker 1: few big players that they really need to do something 7 00:00:22,350 --> 00:00:25,950 Speaker 1: special to set themselves apart. And our guest today is 8 00:00:25,950 --> 00:00:29,700 Speaker 1: part of an international success story. BrewDog was founded in 9 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: Scotland back in 2007. And when we're talking about innovation, 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a standout. It's the world's first 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,890 Speaker 1: carbon negative brewery. BrewDog came to Australia in 2019 and 12 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:44,129 Speaker 1: chose Brisbane for its local brewery and tap room. And 13 00:00:44,130 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: that's really then how this conversation came about. The Brisbane 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,650 Speaker 1: economic development agency is a supporter of Fear and Greed 15 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:52,530 Speaker 1: and what better way to find out why Brisbane is 16 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:55,650 Speaker 1: so appealing to business than to speak to an international 17 00:00:55,650 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: company that decided to set up shop there. Plus, I 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: get to talk about beer. Calvin McDonald's is the head 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,540 Speaker 1: of Australian operations at BrewDog and my guest this morning. 20 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:04,950 Speaker 1: Calvin, welcome to Fear and Greed. 21 00:01:05,430 --> 00:01:06,929 Speaker 2: Thanks very much for having me great to be here. 22 00:01:08,010 --> 00:01:11,819 Speaker 1: BrewDog, it really is a terrific story because craft beer 23 00:01:11,819 --> 00:01:15,270 Speaker 1: has exploded in the last decade or so. I know 24 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:17,190 Speaker 1: it's been around for a lot longer than that, but 25 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:20,010 Speaker 1: really in the last 10 or 12 years, it seems like there's just 26 00:01:20,010 --> 00:01:23,490 Speaker 1: been hundreds of micro breweries that have sprung up, but 27 00:01:23,490 --> 00:01:26,010 Speaker 1: very few of them seem to get to that point 28 00:01:26,010 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: of expanding internationally. How did BrewDog come about and then 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,830 Speaker 1: how did it actually break through? 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,539 Speaker 2: I've worked for BrewDog, personally, for 10 years. I've seen 31 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:40,290 Speaker 2: the whole evolution of the company from a real plucky 32 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:42,660 Speaker 2: outsider to, as you say, one of the world leaders 33 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:45,900 Speaker 2: in craft beer. I think one of the main obstacles 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,300 Speaker 2: in craft beer is that it was historically seen as 35 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:52,530 Speaker 2: such a niche industry. I think when you are in 36 00:01:52,530 --> 00:01:54,750 Speaker 2: a niche industry, there's almost a fear to get to 37 00:01:54,930 --> 00:01:57,450 Speaker 2: a certain point of becoming mainstream. But in 10 years 38 00:01:57,450 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: I've worked for us, we've gone from craft beer being 39 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:03,300 Speaker 2: a complete outlier, the consumer would really have to search 40 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:05,670 Speaker 2: for it and proactively seek it out, to now, there's 41 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: not a bar in Australia really that doesn't have something 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,910 Speaker 2: that at least identifies as a craft beer. It's been 43 00:02:11,910 --> 00:02:15,209 Speaker 2: amazing to see the growth of the industry and as 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,660 Speaker 2: a brew dog lifer, so to speak, it's been great 45 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:21,210 Speaker 2: to see us go from a small brewer in Scotland to the 46 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:24,450 Speaker 2: world leader here and be part of that story over 47 00:02:24,450 --> 00:02:29,070 Speaker 2: in Brisbane. I moved over to Brisbane in 2019, we've actually 48 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: had plans for brewing in Australia for quite a while, 49 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:34,889 Speaker 2: a few years before that. And really it came down 50 00:02:34,889 --> 00:02:37,110 Speaker 2: to one thing. We're a brewery and we live and 51 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:39,870 Speaker 2: die by what's in our glass and we need the beer to be 52 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:43,709 Speaker 2: in as good condition as possible. Shipping it from Scotland 53 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:46,889 Speaker 2: to Australia, which we had done for the better part of 10 years, 54 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: it was great. And it allowed us to build a small but 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,770 Speaker 2: loyal following here in Australia, but ultimately the beer wasn't 56 00:02:52,770 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: getting to Perth or Brisbane or Sydney in great nick. We decided that the 57 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,540 Speaker 2: best way to facilitate that was to build a brewery 58 00:03:00,570 --> 00:03:03,780 Speaker 2: ourselves and set up shop here in Australia. That's how 59 00:03:04,290 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: Brisbane came to be our point of distribution across Australia 60 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:11,130 Speaker 2: because that's where we set up our brewery and elected 61 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: to brew all our beer for Australia. 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,690 Speaker 1: I'll get to the freshness of it because I didn't 63 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:19,169 Speaker 1: realize that was such a big element of the decision 64 00:03:19,169 --> 00:03:22,470 Speaker 1: making process in terms of where you situate a brewery. 65 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:26,579 Speaker 1: And also then that would obviously inform your export plans, 66 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:28,500 Speaker 1: where in the world you are taking the beer to 67 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:31,709 Speaker 1: and where it's coming from. Just to go back briefly 68 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:35,700 Speaker 1: onto why there's been such an explosion in craft beer 69 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: in the last decade. What's changed? Is it something to 70 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,570 Speaker 1: do with the customers? Is the craft beer clientele different 71 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:46,860 Speaker 1: to say your more traditional beers? Is it because there 72 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:50,430 Speaker 1: seems to be so many different beers on offer that 73 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:52,980 Speaker 1: there is something for men and something for women, something 74 00:03:52,980 --> 00:03:55,410 Speaker 1: for young and old people, there's something for everyone? 75 00:03:55,710 --> 00:03:59,340 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the main driver has been consumer education. 76 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:01,950 Speaker 2: It's always been a key part of what we do 77 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: is that it's one thing to come in and have 78 00:04:05,010 --> 00:04:06,750 Speaker 2: a great craft beer, but we really want to educate 79 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:11,130 Speaker 2: people about why craft beer is the way it is. Why the flavors are 80 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: much more expansive than your mainstream beer market and why 81 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,250 Speaker 2: really that's a good thing. I think 10 years ago, 82 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,830 Speaker 2: it was much more the accepted norm that you had 83 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,969 Speaker 2: the three or four mass made market leaders. That was 84 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:26,729 Speaker 2: your lot, essentially. Whereas now in Brisbane, I think there's 85 00:04:26,730 --> 00:04:31,740 Speaker 2: about 24, 25 absolute top class craft breweries and all of 86 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:34,740 Speaker 2: them have their own merits. Now if you're coming through 87 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:38,820 Speaker 2: the ranks and you're a youngster turning 18 and starting 88 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: to get into the beer industry, it's no longer the 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,670 Speaker 2: norm that you have to drink one of the three 90 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: mass made lagers, it's much more of an accepted situation, 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,550 Speaker 2: that there is a world of flavor out there for 92 00:04:50,550 --> 00:04:53,730 Speaker 2: you to go and discover and enjoy. Really I think 93 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:58,380 Speaker 2: that availability of another option has perpetuated the market and 94 00:04:58,589 --> 00:05:02,490 Speaker 2: allowed other plucky upstart breweries to have a look at the market 95 00:05:02,490 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: and see that there is a space for that smaller competitor. 96 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: And the zero and low alcohol beer and everything coming 97 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: through. It seems like that's been one of the big 98 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: trends of the last two or three years. And I know 99 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,470 Speaker 1: you are busy in that space too. 100 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,870 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think we are seeing a much more 101 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: conscientious marketplace now. The stats about, especially the younger demographic, 102 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: choosing a zero alcohol option and some cases a completely 103 00:05:27,930 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: teetotal lifestyle is really surprising. I'm not sure if that's 104 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,349 Speaker 2: just because it comes from Scotland, but it's been really 105 00:05:34,350 --> 00:05:37,620 Speaker 2: reassuring that the alcohol free options have not just been 106 00:05:37,620 --> 00:05:39,930 Speaker 2: a flash in the pan and we've had to actually 107 00:05:39,930 --> 00:05:42,690 Speaker 2: buy a pasteurizer for the brewery up in Brisbane so 108 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:45,779 Speaker 2: that we can make the best alcohol free beers that 109 00:05:45,779 --> 00:05:48,870 Speaker 2: we can. We pride ourselves on all of our beers 110 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:52,109 Speaker 2: being vegan, but in the alcohol free sphere, we've had to innovate 111 00:05:52,110 --> 00:05:54,029 Speaker 2: a little bit and we actually use a little bit of 112 00:05:54,029 --> 00:05:56,670 Speaker 2: lactose in that, which unfortunately means they're not vegan, but 113 00:05:56,670 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: it does mean when we pasteurize them, we got a 114 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: pretty stable shelf life. It's amazing to see that the demand for alcohol free beers is still driving innovation in the industry like that. 115 00:06:05,790 --> 00:06:07,260 Speaker 1: Stay with me Calvin. We will be back in a 116 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:15,930 Speaker 1: moment. My guest this morning is Calvin McDonald, head of 117 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:20,370 Speaker 1: Australian operations at BrewDog. I mentioned in the intro that 118 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:24,210 Speaker 1: BrewDog is the world's first carbon negative brewery, so not just 119 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: carbon neutrally, you have actually gone one step further and become 120 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,130 Speaker 1: carbon negative. What's that actually mean? 121 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,470 Speaker 2: Essentially, we offset more carbon than we put into the 122 00:06:34,470 --> 00:06:37,140 Speaker 2: atmosphere, I suppose, as a result of our brewing processes, 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,050 Speaker 2: as a result of our hospitality businesses and actually for 124 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: our employees as well, every single BrewDog employee can fill 125 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,460 Speaker 2: in a survey, update every year, which estimates their carbon 126 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: output. And to make sure that we account for that, 127 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: we actually have a forest in Scotland. We've called it 128 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: the 'Lost Forest' after one of our lagers. We're currently 129 00:06:57,750 --> 00:07:01,020 Speaker 2: in the midst of a reforestation project over a hundred 130 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:05,310 Speaker 2: acres there. The net carbon offset from what's in the 131 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: atmosphere over there in Scotland will be enough to count 132 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,050 Speaker 2: for all the carbon that we unfortunately do have to 133 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,500 Speaker 2: put in across the world. Obviously it's our intention that 134 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: we don't really want to offset. We like to deliver a 135 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,670 Speaker 2: sustainable carbon life as a business. But we think that taking 136 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:22,890 Speaker 2: the carbon back of the atmosphere is a good way 137 00:07:22,890 --> 00:07:23,490 Speaker 2: to go about that. 138 00:07:24,390 --> 00:07:27,150 Speaker 1: All right, now you talked about the freshness of beer 139 00:07:27,150 --> 00:07:30,150 Speaker 1: and the fact that I didn't realize that you're actually 140 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,180 Speaker 1: shipping it from Scotland to Australia for so long before 141 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:36,270 Speaker 1: deciding to set up here, what was it then about 142 00:07:36,270 --> 00:07:39,090 Speaker 1: Brisbane that really drew you to there because you actually 143 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that there was 24 or 25 craft brewers, all operating, it 144 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,140 Speaker 1: sounds like it's got a pretty vibrant scene, but surely 145 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:47,340 Speaker 1: it would get a bit competitive, wouldn't it? 146 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,510 Speaker 2: As any expanding business internationally, you want to be part 147 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:54,300 Speaker 2: of a scene that exists. Back 15 years ago in 148 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Scotland, we had to be one of a couple of 149 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,170 Speaker 2: breweries that really started and invigorated that scene, which is 150 00:08:01,170 --> 00:08:04,590 Speaker 2: great. At the stage we are in as a business, 151 00:08:05,130 --> 00:08:07,020 Speaker 2: we don't want to go and reinvent the wheel. We 152 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: want to go and be part of something. When we 153 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: had to look across Australia, the Brisbane beer scene is absolutely 154 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:14,730 Speaker 2: top notch. We're excited to go and be a part of it, 155 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:18,030 Speaker 2: but also we did feel that we do something slightly 156 00:08:18,030 --> 00:08:20,580 Speaker 2: different to a lot of the breweries and in Brisbane. We 157 00:08:20,580 --> 00:08:23,970 Speaker 2: thought that we could go in and help to take 158 00:08:23,970 --> 00:08:27,870 Speaker 2: on some of those bigger breweries, the more established macro 159 00:08:27,870 --> 00:08:32,550 Speaker 2: breweries with our international punching power, so to speak. In 160 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:36,689 Speaker 2: the tap room in Brisbane, up in Murarrie, we showcase six to 161 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:39,209 Speaker 2: eight local craft beers at any given time. I think 162 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:42,630 Speaker 2: that's something that allowed us to engage the local market. 163 00:08:42,630 --> 00:08:45,660 Speaker 2: Really, we want to be giving a leg up to those 164 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:48,090 Speaker 2: local breweries, not to compete with them. We were really 165 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:49,829 Speaker 2: confident that Brisbane was the place for us to do 166 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:53,309 Speaker 2: that. Looking forward, as we grew, in the scheme of 167 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,809 Speaker 2: world breweries, BrewDog in Australia is still really pretty tiny, but we 168 00:08:57,809 --> 00:09:00,630 Speaker 2: are an ambitious company. We've never made a secret of 169 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: that. As we look at growing the business over the 170 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: next five to 10 years, just the location of Brisbane 171 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,460 Speaker 2: gives us an amazing starting point for some of our 172 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:09,570 Speaker 2: plans over the next few years. 173 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: I assume part of that would probably be domestic expansion, 174 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,209 Speaker 1: but also in terms of exporting, because Brisbane has such 175 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:21,359 Speaker 1: good access to some of the main export markets, I 176 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,090 Speaker 1: imagine. Does it make a difference say, for example, if 177 00:09:24,090 --> 00:09:27,090 Speaker 1: you are exporting beer from Scotland to Japan or Scotland 178 00:09:27,090 --> 00:09:30,450 Speaker 1: to South Korea suddenly then going from Brisbane to Japan 179 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:34,050 Speaker 1: or Brisbane to South Korea, it would improve the product, 180 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:34,350 Speaker 1: wouldn't it? 181 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:37,470 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely that. And especially with the hoppy beers that 182 00:09:37,470 --> 00:09:40,620 Speaker 2: we make. The fresh fresher the better. Any day that 183 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:42,570 Speaker 2: we can take off the process going from brewery to 184 00:09:42,570 --> 00:09:45,569 Speaker 2: glasses is in our interests. When you take Brisbane, as 185 00:09:45,570 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: example we're talking about here, I actually look after hospitality 186 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,420 Speaker 2: operations in Asia as well. There's a bar in Tokyo 187 00:09:51,420 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: and a bar in Shanghai that both report into me. 188 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: The plan is, in the long term, that we start 189 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,230 Speaker 2: shipping beers directly from Brisbane to those markets. Now, as I say, 190 00:10:01,230 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: we're a small operation. We don't have the economies of 191 00:10:03,540 --> 00:10:07,410 Speaker 2: scale to make that economically viable for now. But for 192 00:10:07,410 --> 00:10:10,530 Speaker 2: us opening in Brisbane is about future proofing. That means 193 00:10:10,530 --> 00:10:12,449 Speaker 2: that when those export markets do open up to us, 194 00:10:12,450 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: we're in a great situation to take advantage of them straight 195 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,050 Speaker 2: away. Those number of days on the water from Brisbane 196 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:22,140 Speaker 2: to Tokyo are going to significantly improve the quality of 197 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:23,970 Speaker 2: the product as opposed to coming from Scotland. 198 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:29,189 Speaker 1: You mentioned that when you came to Australia was in 2019, 199 00:10:29,190 --> 00:10:31,890 Speaker 1: I think it was about November 2019, which in terms, 200 00:10:31,890 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: I suppose, of timing, isn't probably the greatest being four 201 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,370 Speaker 1: months out from a global pandemic, setting up a new 202 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:42,090 Speaker 1: outpost in Australia, four months out from lockdowns. How did 203 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: you guys fare during lockdowns and I suppose it actually 204 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,860 Speaker 1: hasn't even finished, have you had the impacts of supply 205 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:54,090 Speaker 1: chain challenges, which have been sweeping right through all industries 206 00:10:54,090 --> 00:10:56,429 Speaker 1: across all sectors, across all countries? 207 00:10:57,390 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: We actually did relatively well throughout the initial lockdowns, because 208 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,709 Speaker 2: we were still such a fledgling business. It meant that when everyone 209 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:09,390 Speaker 2: else was looking to streamline and improve efficiencies with operations, 210 00:11:09,390 --> 00:11:12,300 Speaker 2: we quite honestly hadn't even got to that point yet. 211 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: We were still a super tiny team. There was only 212 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,250 Speaker 2: about three of us who worked for BrewDog in Australia, 213 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: outside of the hospitality business. It meant that we were 214 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,699 Speaker 2: able to be pretty lean throughout that time. It could 215 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:26,970 Speaker 2: have gone better for us. For example, our canning line 216 00:11:26,970 --> 00:11:31,170 Speaker 2: was being commissioned in January 2020. We had our engineers 217 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:33,270 Speaker 2: were from China who were doing a great job. We 218 00:11:33,270 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: were about a week away from being able to get 219 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,010 Speaker 2: beer into cans. Then they went home for Chinese New 220 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:40,890 Speaker 2: Year and the rest is history. It meant that we 221 00:11:40,890 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: actually had a great business and a great brand without 222 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,130 Speaker 2: a product through a lot of lockdown. As you say, 223 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: it was not perhaps the ideal time to start internationally, 224 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,150 Speaker 2: but I think we managed be resilient after that. As 225 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:56,220 Speaker 2: I say, we were such a small team to start 226 00:11:56,220 --> 00:12:01,260 Speaker 2: with. The supply chain challenges are hitting us like everyone 227 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:04,140 Speaker 2: else. But at the same time, we managed to source 228 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: pretty much all of our malt from a local maltings 229 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: called Barson, which you can actually see over the Brisbane 230 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,630 Speaker 2: river from the brewery. By managing to keep things local, it 231 00:12:15,630 --> 00:12:19,740 Speaker 2: improves our ability to, such a covid buzzword, but to 232 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:23,820 Speaker 2: pivot to new products and products are easier for us 233 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:27,179 Speaker 2: to obtain. If we can use ingredients as local as 234 00:12:27,179 --> 00:12:29,729 Speaker 2: possible, it keeps our carbon footprint down as well. As 235 00:12:29,730 --> 00:12:31,170 Speaker 2: a result of that, we've been able to be pretty 236 00:12:31,170 --> 00:12:33,660 Speaker 2: resilient in the face of some of those supply chain challenges. 237 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:37,770 Speaker 1: All right. Last question. I wanted to look a fair 238 00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:41,700 Speaker 1: way into the future and with your tap room, are 239 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: you already taking bookings for July and August 2032, when 240 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,860 Speaker 1: Brisbane is going to host the Olympics? It is going 241 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:52,020 Speaker 1: to be a cracking time to be operating in Brisbane. 242 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,819 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very excited and it's so amazing for us to have this 243 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,210 Speaker 2: 10 year lead up towards what will be an absolutely 244 00:13:00,210 --> 00:13:04,110 Speaker 2: amazing couple months and a huge Olympics. It means that 245 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:07,500 Speaker 2: we can have the confidence in everything that we do, that 246 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: Brisbane is a city really on the rise, it's amazing 247 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,020 Speaker 2: to be part of discussions within the local business community 248 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:16,260 Speaker 2: as well, about ways that we can mobilize and team 249 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:19,770 Speaker 2: together and really make sure that the Brisbane 2032 Olympics is 250 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:22,260 Speaker 2: being used for the common good, both for Brisbane business 251 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:24,929 Speaker 2: and for the city as well. But given the amount 252 00:13:24,929 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: of guys from the UK BrewDog team that have already 253 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: put in a reservation for Brisbane in 2032, I'm not sure 254 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,110 Speaker 2: if we'll able to facilitate many more spaces, it's amazing to 255 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: have the whole world looking at Brisbane now, and it's 256 00:13:36,750 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 2: really exciting time to be here. We couldn't have timed it 257 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: better. I'm very excited. 258 00:13:42,420 --> 00:13:45,030 Speaker 1: Suddenly you find yourself getting a lot of friends, just 259 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: popping up, wanting to pop over and visit you. 260 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Amazing how that happens, isn't it? We're really excited 261 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,950 Speaker 2: to be able to show everyone Brisbane. I think it's 262 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,580 Speaker 2: a city that when you arrive here and especially internationally, 263 00:13:56,580 --> 00:14:00,420 Speaker 2: perhaps, and historically it's not had that reputation that maybe 264 00:14:01,170 --> 00:14:04,469 Speaker 2: your Sydney's or your Melbourne's have. We are just excited 265 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:07,950 Speaker 2: to start now that borders are open again, start welcoming 266 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: more people internationally to Brisbane, showing them around and leaving 267 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,010 Speaker 2: them with an absolutely amazing perception of Brisbane as a 268 00:14:14,010 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: fast growing forward looking city. That's the consensus amongst everyone 269 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: who's managed to get out here. We're looking forward to 270 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,170 Speaker 2: that continuing right up to 2032. 271 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:25,140 Speaker 1: Fantastic. Calvin, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 272 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure. Thanks for having me. 273 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:30,330 Speaker 1: That was Calvin McDonald, head of Australian operations at BrewDog, 274 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,370 Speaker 1: a business that is growing with the support of the 275 00:14:32,370 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: Brisbane economic development agency, which sponsors this podcast. Visit choosebrisbane. com. 276 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:39,690 Speaker 1: au. This is the Fear and Greed daily interview. Join 277 00:14:39,690 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: us every morning for the full episode of Fear and 278 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,900 Speaker 1: Greed, Australia's most popular business podcast. I'm Michael Thompson. 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