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Speaker 1: Hello, Healthy Ish listeners, Thanks for tuning into this podcast.

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Speaker 1: From Body and Soul, I am Felicity Harley. Carla Oates

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Speaker 1: founded the ingestible beauty brand, The Beauty Chef back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and she is here today to

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Speaker 1: discuss all things fermentation, something she did back then and

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Speaker 1: of course does now because The Biddy Chef has built

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Speaker 1: their own fermentation lab and she is going to tell

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Speaker 1: us more about well not just the lab, but fermentation

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Speaker 1: and all its health benefits and why you should perhaps

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Speaker 1: practice it and do it in your life if you

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Speaker 1: want more from Carlor listening to our sister podcast Extra Healthy,

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Speaker 1: where she shares her biggest learnings around gut health and

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Speaker 1: grab that where we get your podcasts color Welcome to

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Speaker 1: healthy Ish.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having you for listener, to.

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Speaker 1: Have you back on.

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Speaker 3: I know it's been a while and in the studio,

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Speaker 3: I know not yet. I think last time was COVID.

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Speaker 3: I think it was It's lovely to be I know,

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Speaker 3: I love make such a difference.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about fermenting today. You are big on.

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Speaker 3: This, yes, and maybe an unhealthy or a healthy obsession

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Speaker 3: because fermentation is this natural, genius, biological process that supercharges

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Speaker 3: food and neutralizes anti nutrients in food, and also creates

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Speaker 3: broad spectrum probiotics and post biotics and supports gut health.

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Speaker 3: And we know that gut health is so important for

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Speaker 3: every system in the body.

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Speaker 1: I mean, gut health is the foundation, isn't it It is?

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Speaker 3: And you know, I launched the Beauty Chef in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and nine, and when I first came out with

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Speaker 3: a glow in a beauty powder, people were really confused

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Speaker 3: by the concept that you took a powder for your skin.

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Speaker 3: But also when I started talking about fermentation and gut health,

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Speaker 3: it was so niche. And now it's mainstream. And the

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Speaker 3: research that's coming out about the connection between gut health

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Speaker 3: and skin health, but also gut health and brain health,

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Speaker 3: metabolic health, immune health, it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: I feel like gut health is linked to so many

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Speaker 1: like everything. I heard someone talking about the access between

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Speaker 1: the gut, heart, brain, the other and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is that.

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Speaker 3: I know. There are so many accesses, there's so many

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Speaker 3: conversations happening between our gut and other parts of our body.

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Speaker 1: So have you always fermented foods at home or how

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Speaker 1: does it show up in your life?

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Speaker 3: So I did years a guys to ferment a lot.

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Speaker 3: So when I started sort of when I found the

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Speaker 3: research around certain types of gut back to here and

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Speaker 3: how impacted skin health. And I was looking for solution

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Speaker 3: for my daughter who had exporent allergies. And this is

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Speaker 3: a while ago, because she's now twenty seven, just ten,

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Speaker 3: twenty seven, and when she was about ten and.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe you've got a twenty seven year old daughter,

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, what's meinit?

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Speaker 1: What of that? We'll get to that.

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Speaker 3: Idea, And so just looking at that. So I started

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Speaker 3: can boot sour quou as well as putting her on

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Speaker 3: fermented foods and everyone's like, your skin's glowing, What.

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Speaker 3: And the only thing that I was doing differently was

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Speaker 3: eating these fermented foods that I was making. And then

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Speaker 3: I started sharing these foods with friends and family and

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Speaker 3: research and then the Beauty Chef product, the Beauty Chef

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Speaker 1: Is it easy to ferment foods?

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Speaker 2: It is? I mean, really you just need you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do still ferment, but I've got all

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Speaker 3: I used to make coconut cafea and to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I still do soaur kraut, but I have Boutish have

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Speaker 1: What about if you're not sometimes for meta foods can

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Speaker 2: Yes, this with it.

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Speaker 1: I know I should eat this because it's good for

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Speaker 3: Well? I think the more you eat it, the more

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Speaker 3: So we are very adaptive, and I think it's just

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Speaker 3: trying different types of fermented foods and seeing what really resonates.

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Speaker 3: I guess I've been consuming them for so long. And

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Speaker 3: my mum told me to see natural path and she

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Speaker 3: think the more that you nourish your body with really

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Speaker 3: But I think then the more that your body craves it,

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Speaker 3: because you know, when you eat well, you release you know,

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Speaker 1: No, I think I agree with you because I feel

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Speaker 2: It's so delicious. I have a bit of a kompucha obsession.

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Speaker 1: own fermentation Like what is a fermentation lab? First and foremost?

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Speaker 1: Now, just finally, you've been in this space for a while,

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Speaker 3: I think that it's so people think it's so complex,

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Speaker 3: gut microbes need, which is whole foods, fiberch foods, water, sleep,

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Speaker 3: a diet is the single most important factor when it

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Speaker 3: under control. And it's like epigenetics, like you know, jeans,

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Speaker 3: load the gun, environment, where you eat, how you live.

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Speaker 2: You know, pull the trigger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So true. Yeah, such a cliche,

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Speaker 1: it's so true. Thank you for coming on healthy eh.

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Speaker 2: My pature, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Fermentation.

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Speaker 2: Do you do it?

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Speaker 1: Are you tempted? Perhaps it's something, well, at least something

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Speaker 1: you need to ingest for better gut health, better overall health.

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