WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 9 July 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:09.000 Welcome, wait to play well, it's great to have your company. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.319 I'm James macpherson with Liz Staer and Joe Hildebrand coming 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.639 up tonight. A pro Palestinian protester takes his message to 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.759 a NASCAR event, talk about the wrong crowd. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.160 We'll show you what happens a little later. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.360 Plus, when we look at the papers, New South Wales 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.480 to ban retail trading on Anzac Day and new data 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.520 reveals twenty percent of Queenslanders have switched to interest only mortgages. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.360 We'll get to all of that soon, but first, the 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:41.560 Prime Minister today appointed a Special Envoy for Anti Semitism, 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.680 saying that nine months of anti Semitism is enough. Think 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.800 of how the Jewish community must feel. Jewish lawyer and 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.720 businesswoman Gillian Sigal will take on the three year appointment. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:58.240 His Anthony Albanezi making the announcement today, I. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.040 Have spoken with members of the Jewish community who have 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.240 not felt safe members of the Jewish community. His children 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:11.120 are worried about wearing their school uniform in our capital cities. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:17.959 That's not acceptable. We're not having enough discourse in Australia 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:24.080 which is civil and the sort of slogans which are used, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.679 have caused great damage and often come from a position 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:30.399 of ignorance. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.800 Well, Liz, you can accuse this government of a lot 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.279 of things, but you can't accuse them of being on time. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.560 Anti Semitism has been rife since October seven, which begs 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.560 the question, why is Anthony Albanezi suddenly woke up to 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:44.280 the issue now? 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.720 This is just such a cheap pr move by the 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:53.400 Albanesi government that which he's talking about has been I 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.760 would argue, aided and are bettered by his government. That 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.920 is the most vocal members of the Albanzi government who 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.960 have shown themselves to be more than complicit in pushing 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:09.800 the pro Palestine argument, most notably our Foreign Minister Pennywong. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.440 He's done absolutely nothing, and the Jewish community, along with 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.720 the rest of us here in Australia, still have absolutely 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.959 no answers as to why we have not seen any 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.440 strong police pushback even when it was called for. Why 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.639 the laws that we already have in place regarding racism, discrimination, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.160 hate speech, not one of them has come into play. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:39.679 Nobody's been prosecuted, much less properly charged and convicted for 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.440 the crimes that we've seen on our own streets perpetrated 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.240 toward Jewish Australians. Why none of those have come into play. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:53.320 So obviously good move, smart move by the Albanese government, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:58.880 but very much wanting nine months on when there's been 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:04.720 pretty much outright silence. And also this isn't so reassuring 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:10.359 when in the same breath he's promised and envoy for Islamophobia. Yeah, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.399 it's like you're trying to have your cake and eat 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.359 it too. You're still straddling the fence. You're still not 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.959 coming out with anything strong, comprehensive and conviction laden that 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.519 Jewish Australians can point to and say, actually, our Prime 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.320 minister is on side, he does feel our suffering and 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.600 he's actually making a genuine stand for us. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:33.200 Yeah. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.280 I did note that, Joe, that he made that announcement 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.280 and then he couldn't help himself but say, and in 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.400 due course we will be appointing a specially in well 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.920 or Islamophobia as well. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:43.040 Yeah. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.720 Look, I mean I suppose it does get a little 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.360 bit tie and when you know it's coming and you're 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.320 just sort of waiting for it. But having said that, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.920 he has prioritized this, this is the one he has 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.640 announced first and that's significant. Obviously, this is not something 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.000 he has done by accident. I think it's something that's 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.440 taken a lot of political courage to do. Let's not 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.000 forget that he's made this announcement just days after it's 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.480 become clear that a movement called Muslim Vote is going 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.400 to target some of Labour's most senior MPs in some 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.480 of its safest seats, even though he's come out and 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.920 said that anti Semitism is going to be our first priority. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.360 I agree with you it's taking political courage. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.320 But isn't that the devastating thing here that it requires 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.400 political courage to come out and take a stand on 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.440 something so basic as ensuring the safety of a part 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.640 of the community who've done nothing to deserve the intimidation. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.240 Of course not, but it's political courage rather than just 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:34.960 do the right. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.279 When you're doing something with political courage, you are doing 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.040 the right thing. You are not doing it. It's what 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.800 I'm saying is it's not politically convenient for him. In fact, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.840 it could politically hurt him. Well, job, do the right thing, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.520 and that's what he's done. That's what I'm saying. That's 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.839 exactly what I'm saying he's already months ago he said 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.960 that from the he was way out ahead of a 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.400 lot of people, certainly everyone on the sort of crazy 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.520 left and some of even his coll legues when he 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.480 came out and said no, from the River to the 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.240 Sea is not just a benign chant. It's a call 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.280 for genocide or the eradication of the state of Israel. Again, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.400 he can't be seen to just be taking one side 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.440 over the other. It is a difficult path for him 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.000 to tread. He has to be seen to be treating 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.000 both sides fairly. But again, the fact that he came 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.560 out so strongly about from the River to the Sea, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.960 which was on the front page of the Daily Telegraph, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.800 and good on the Telly and good on Albow for 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.120 coming to crips and agreeing with each other. And then 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.840 you've got him coming out and announcing an anti Semitism envoy. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.480 I'm not aware of this position existing anywhere else in 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.600 Australian political history or anywhere else previously in the world. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.200 He's come out and done this. He's done it against 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:50.120 what would be the sheer political convenience of it, the 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.719 sheer political maths in terms of the number of Jewish 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.480 voters versus Muslim voters, and in the face of an 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.600 openly hostile threat to some of his safest seats. So 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.720 I think, you know, you've got to give him credit 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.520 for it. He's come out and done it, and to 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.440 just say, oh, well, now it's just too little, too light, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.800 because do you think this. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.320 Is because that they've realized that they're months and months 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.280 of shilling for Muslim votes in Western Sydney, now that 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.800 there is a Muslim themselves running and I believe the 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.000 ground as an independent, as an independent yep putting their 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.760 hand up and saying well, actually, if you want someone 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.440 to represent the Muslim community, no one's better than me. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.320 Probably has a good point there, And Labour's realized, Okay, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.520 all of that is now laid Adam or no, no, 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.880 this fellow who's now running as an independent in Western Sydney. 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.560 So Labor realizes all the shilling for votes that we've 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.520 done by either keeping Mum or allowing some of our 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:53.080 even front benches to be overtly pro Palestinian, all of 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.520 that is laid to waste because this guy's now put 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.720 his hand up and no Muslim or someone who's Propealestinian 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.000 and is feeling disenfranchised right now, he's going to vote 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.720 for any labor member over one of their own. Do 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.520 you think that now that they've realized okay, all of 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.720 that is going to waste, we might as well now 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.360 start playing the other side and being like, okay, well 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:22.520 here's an anti Semitic envoy, and not at all. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.600 I mean, the last thing you would do if someone 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.160 was coming after you on the back of a supposed 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.160 Muslim vote out there, the last thing you do is 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.200 a point of former President of the Executive Council of 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.840 Australian Jury as an anti Semitic envoy. It's the it's 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.200 the that would be no, but. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.120 You would if those seats are lost to us now 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:41.640 is not giving up on those seats. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:47.080 The other question, what is, what is Jillian Siegel going 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.760 to advise Anthony Albanezi that he wouldn't have Andrew. 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:51.480 Giles as well as. 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:54.280 He could. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:55.120 I think he could. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.520 But I mean, what's she going to say, prossecute hate crimes, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.280 don't allow incitement. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:04.840 To buy, use the laws that we already had again synagogues. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.560 I think with you know, with things like for example, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.720 you know, when it comes to ongoing debate about you know, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.520 banning groups like his book career as well. And also 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.880 again we've had this conversation so many times that the 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.400 problem is, and this is why it's so important that 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.320 Anthony Alberaneze came out to define what a phrase like 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.520 from the River to the Sea actually means. Because people 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.960 are chanting this, they're saying, hey, but I'm not saying 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.360 kill Jews or hurt Jews or you know, and I'm 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.280 just saying from the river to sea, I'm just channing 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.160 a nice little nursery. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:34.400 Ryan. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.280 And so when he gets on the front foot and says, no, 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.480 when you say this, you are calling for the eradication 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.160 of the Jewish stuffy. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:41.480 It was very late in the game. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.040 Yes, he did well, he's come to it anyway, and 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.760 he's done it now. And in politics, you know often 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.640 you know better late than never is the best result 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.079 you're going to get. But I think he's done something 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.839 that's clearly good. I think you should be commended for it. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.679 I wasn't aware of anyone even calling for this before 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.480 he announced for it, so I think he's actually gotten 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.000 ahead of this. Well, he's certainly gotten ahead of this 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.520 issue in terms of how he's decided to handle it. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.160 He's handled someone with immaculate experience and impeccable credentials in 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:10.560 this area. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.280 One more observation is this another case of Anthony Albanezi 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.920 not wanting to take a strong stand himself, and he's 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.439 got a habit of this, so he defers to an 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.679 advisor committee of board. I'm just taking a device and 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.600 that way he can be a little bit hands off 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:25.640 any big statement. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.120 But again, Anthony Albertez, he still can't get into his 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.439 electorate office because it is being besieged by crazy trots 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.160 and pro Palestinian activists who are accusing him of genocide, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.319 like he has taken us down. And again he came 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.880 out in you know, contradiction to some of his own 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.640 colleagues much love colleagues and colleagues who are fantastic people, 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.040 and you usually think it was the other way around, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.120 and said, no, that's wrong. From the river to the sea, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.199 it's not a benign statement. It is a call for 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.480 the extermination of the Jewish state. So he has actually 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.080 done these things, and he's done them to no political 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.600 advantage himself. I mean, there are no like to put 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.640 to put it really really bluntly there's maybe one seat, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.439 which is Josh Burns's seat of McNamara, where Jewish votes 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.599 would help Labor get elected. I can't think of a 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.960 single other seat in Australia where Jewish votes would help 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.079 a Labor MP win or retain a seat at No, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.319 it's not. That's what that is the whole point. That 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:21.280 is what I'm saying. That's right, and that's what he's doing. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.040 That's what I'm saying. There is no advantage, there's no 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:25.599 political advantage in him doing this. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.840 Let me disagree with that Jewish votes. Mainstream Australians are 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:34.120 just jack of this. So absolutely votes which will which 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.360 may come on board, because that's right, Australia are pretty 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:37.840 ticked off with. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.199 Absolutely nonetheless make it, nonetheless make it more difficult in 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.679 all these seats in southwestern and Western Sydney which are 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.800 being deliberately and openly target by single issue Muslim votes. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:54.840 The clues in the name pro Palestinian candidates. And faced 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.360 with this threat that has emerged just days barely a 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.319 week ago, he's come out and said no, not that 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.559 we're going to be even stronger pro Palestinian from the 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.240 river to the sea. Oh, we better hold on to 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.000 these seats. He's come out and said, no, I'm sticking 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.120 to my guns. We're going to confront anti Semitism in 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.040 this country, and we've got to do it by pointing 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.679 extremely high profile Jewish community leader to root it out 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.440 and stamp it out. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.680 Well, I don't know about I don't know about sticking 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.760 to his guns. I think we're all very surprised to 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.000 discover he has those guns at all. I stand by 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.600 what I said. I think this is a brilliant pr 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.160 move by Alban Easy and well he knows it. But 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.760 let's take a moment to hear from Dillian Sigal herself. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.480 She is a very experienced lawyer, she's a chancellor at 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.679 uns W and she actually has a litany of accomplishments. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.240 I couldn't list them off here because it's a short show. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.439 But here she is saying a little bit today. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.520 Anti Semitism erodes all that is good and healthy in 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.920 a society as such, it poses a threat not just 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.640 to the Jewish community, but to our entire nation. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.480 Indeed, well said, I don't think there's much to add 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.480 to that. I mean, that was just a little bit 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.719 of what she said today. But brilliantly said it is. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.480 Yeah, I'm I'm obsessed by and again you know, I've 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.719 been ready a book about Stalingrad, of all things. It 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:20.480 is incredible how specific anti Semitism is as a particular 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.839 racial obsession, and all the sort of crazy eyealogus to 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.760 go along with it. But anyway, if you thought that 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:34.480 Albanesi government was a plane crash, that I would ever agree. 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.480 I would say it's flying high and soaring to ever 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:41.360 new heights. But anyway, Boeing, this is an amazing story 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.280 that Liz, you have been all over like a cheap suit. 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.920 Boeing has agreed to plead guilty in its seven three 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.600 seven Max criminal case. You remember, these planes were falling 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.120 out of the sky. Boeing has now acknowledged that it 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:01.240 wasn't exactly frank and fearless in forthcoming all the airlines 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:06.559 safety credentials and whether it met all the necessary safety regulations. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.640 And we've got a grab of the CEO of Boeing 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.760 apologizing last month to the families of people who diet. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:14.280 Have a listen. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.679 I would like to apologize on behalf of all of 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:25.240 our boweling associates spread throughout the world, past and present. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.360 For your lossnse. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.920 The doage, and I apologize for the grief that we 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.960 have caused, and I want you to know we aren't 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.839 totally committed in their memory, the work and focus on 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.839 safety for as long as long as we're employed by bonding. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:44.880 So again I'm sorry. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.800 Now, of course, you can't put a price on the 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.200 grief and the suffering that they're victims of those Boeing 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.600 crashes have gone through, except you can, because the airline 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.680 has been fined three hundred and thirty one million dollars 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.679 a story, and that's a two hundred and forty four 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.720 million US as a result of this. And again, Liz, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.160 you made the point that when you actually break it 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.079 down to the number of lies lost, that's not exactly 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.920 a huge amount of money, especially for a massive multinational 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:14.440 company line. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.280 And it's very called comfort for the families of those 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.800 three hundred and forty six people who died in those 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.720 two crashes. And basically what the CEO Dave Calhoun just 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.200 said there was shown up in the proceedings of that 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.440 very case to be an absolute lie. Here's Senator Josh 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:41.080 Hawley basically saying, you guys haven't improved your safety mechanisms 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:47.240 and processes since those crashes of twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.720 So what do you have to say to that, mister ceo? 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.000 You don't recognize the bowling that has airplanes falling out 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.280 of the sky, that has had two Max's crash, that 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.840 has had pieces of doors out of the sky, that 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.880 have had whistleblowers comb before. I've sat right where you 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.520 have sat and told us. These are your employees who 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.480 have told us that when these are the engineers. By 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:10.520 the way, are you an engineer? 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:11.480 Yeah? 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.520 They are, and they have said that they're not listened to, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.880 that they're retaliated against, that they're threatened. That's the reality 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.920 of Boeing today. That's your company that you have created. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.320 Now I don't recognize it either from the company it 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.760 used to be decades ago, but under your leadership, that's 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.880 what Boeing is, and you're being rewarded for it handsomely. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.560 Handsomely don't you think there's something wrong with that? Why 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:36.520 haven't you resigned? 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.200 Why haven't you resigned? Indeed, if that is not a 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.200 fireable offense, what on earth is? And it's no small 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:51.480 matter for Boeing to now plead guilty to this conspiratorial 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.680 They call it a criminal conspiracy to defraud the US, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.760 because that is essentially what they've pleaded guilty. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.200 To try, because that didn't tell the truth to the FAA. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.640 Hang on a minute, we had a settlement over this. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.600 You guys broke the terms of that settlement. So now 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.360 we're coming back and we're going to find you even more. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:16.440 And this is very complicated for Boeing now because to 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.960 plead guilty to a conspiracy to defraud the US would 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.040 normally bar them from having defense contracts. And just last 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.200 year they signed an over two hundred and twenty two 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.280 billion dollar deal No sorry, I'm talking in millions. It 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:37.080 was an almost twenty three billion dollar deal with defense 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.360 US Defense Department to supply them with. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.320 However, much more even just the original CROD. I just 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.880 cannot get my head around how even the most cold blooded, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:54.000 sociopathic airline CEO could think it would be a good 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.280 business decision to cut corners on safety and not be 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.040 forthcome to the fai as to you know, I say, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.080 which's right, Yeah, it's fine, yeah, totally fine to fly, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.320 Like wouldn't you know that the minute something like this happens, 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.400 then that's it. Your reputation is absolutely shot, and we've 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.200 seen so many airlines fail to recover from well. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.280 It's actually worse than that, because when these accidents originally 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.840 happened in Ethiopia and then in Indonesia killing as you said, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.679 three hundred and forty six people in twenty twenty one, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.399 rather than press charges, Boeing were effectively put on a 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.240 kind of probation and as long as they met safety 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.119 standards and reported well and things improved, then after a 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.480 number of years it would all sort of be forgotten. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.920 But in May of this year, after we had a 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.520 door come off mid flight of an Alaska airline, we 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.960 had a wheel come off one of their planes on 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.359 a runway I think it was in Atlanta. There were 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.879 numerous other issues. Then the prosecutors said, you've broken the 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.000 terms of that probation. Nothing has improved, and so then 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.920 they were given this sweetheart deal where rather than charge 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.560 you with criminal manslaughter, we'll offer you the opportunity to 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.640 plead guilty to misleading air safety regulators, which they took. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.359 You mentioned the fine that they paid two hundred and 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.320 forty three million American. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.520 To put that in perspective. So that's for the death 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.359 of three hundred and forty six people. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.680 Trump paid three hundred and fifty five million for manipulating 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.120 his property records in order to get a bigger loan. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.600 So if you're a victim you lost a loved one 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.760 on one of these flights, you would absolutely be. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.960 Irate that Boeing have been allowed to get away with it. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.280 They shouldn't have been given this sweetheartd deal where the 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.600 government basically said, look, if you just plead guilty to 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.840 conspiracy criminal conspiracy to defraud us, then that's okay. We'll 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.840 just give you another slap on the wrist. Of course, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:48.160 for a company like Boeing, any sizeable fine is simply 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.520 pocket change. And like you say, the people related to 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:58.040 those whose lives were lost, this is just it is 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.080 completely unbelievable. More needs to be done to pursue this. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.919 By the way, because just this year, in the earlier 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:09.040 months of this year, two of their whistleblowers mysteriously died. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.480 One was found in his car in the middle of testifying. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.720 He was due to go back the next day and 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.119 continue testifying for them. He worked for them for several 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.399 decades and had said when I was there and I 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.480 was trying to be a whistleblower, and I was writing emails. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.120 They'd never email me back, they or would just meet 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.480 with me in person, And it was always subliminally communicated 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.639 to him, stop sending these emails, stop leaving a paper trail. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.399 He was found dead in his truck in a car park. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.320 Another one passed away. Suddenly he was fit as a fiddle, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.280 friends and family say, and within two weeks he suddenly 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.760 passed away. He came down with what all the mainstream 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:53.400 meter is calling a mystery illness, and he was suddenly gone. Obviously, 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.720 I don't know what these cases are, but it seems 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:02.000 very suspicious to me, especially when those who were acting 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.160 in a lawyer capacity for both those gentlemen said, well, 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:13.200 they both made incredibly powerful enemies, ie being Boeing. So 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.440 I just think for those families it should have gone 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.560 to a proper criminal trial. They should have been tried 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.040 for manslaughter because it was proved time and time again 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.200 that it was due to their absolute negligence and lack 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.359 of care for the people boarding their flights that this 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:33.720 was ever able to have. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.560 I think it actually speaks to the difference, and I 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.760 think the Trump comparison is actually a really good one. 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.399 The difference between a company or an institution or an 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.359 entity that is completely interwoven with the US government, with 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.880 the US economy more generally. I mean, it's a huge employer. 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.320 It's headquarters in Seattle is obviously just a huge, iconic 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.080 kind of you know, industry leading thing that you know, 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:02.520 half the city's been around Boeing and Microsoft, Think and Starbucks. 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:08.000 And you also have, like you said, these multi billion 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.920 dollar defense contracts, which if the government was to crack 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.880 down on Boeing as hard as it had on say 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.400 Donald Trump, suddenly would have to tear up all these 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.160 defense contracts start start from ground zero, go with someone else. 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.400 And so it is that very much that too big 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.000 to fail mentality, where if you know the old you know, 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.000 if you are a million the bank of million dollars, 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:28.840 it's your problem. If you are in the bank one 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:30.639 hundred million dollars, it's the bank's problem. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:32.439 Well, let's stay in the United States. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:37.280 You think legislation to increase penalties for people soliciting miners 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.399 for prostitution would be a no brainer. I mean, no 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.640 one would agree that behavior should go on If someone 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.120 tries to do that, jail them for the longest time. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.480 At the moment, in California, if you solicit a miner 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.800 for prostitution, it's two days jail, one year maximum, and 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.000 a ten thousand dollar fine. So the Republicans want to 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.560 increase the penalties to four years jail and a twenty 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.719