WEBVTT - Sharri | 4 March 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.000 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.320 This is Sharry. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.480 Good Evening. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.800 Tonight our exclusive report that Albanezi has not managed to 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 schedule another call with President Trump. 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:16.720 This despite trey tariff. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.599 Set to take effect in just eight days and a 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:25.400 Chinese warship circling Australia. Our scoop coming up an urgent 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.000 planes ahead of Cyclone Alfred, which is set to hit 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.040 Queensland and northern New South Wales on Thursday. We'll get 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.320 the latest from the Bureau of Meteorology and I'll tell 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:36.280 you how this. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:37.720 Could delay the election. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.240 Also tonight, Moranda Devine tells us who the administration the 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.520 Trump administration has its eye on to replace Zelenski after 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:51.160 that explosive oval office brawl. Plus Alex Rifchin will join 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.920 me on the show after our letter to the Prime 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.440 Minister asking him to endorse our anti Semitism action plan. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.440 That's all coming up, but first tonight I can exclusively 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:08.120 reveal that Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has not managed to 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:12.880 schedule another call with President Donald Trump, despite trade tariffs 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.160 due to take effect in just eight days and a 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:22.440 Chinese warship circling Australia. Three sources tell me that Albanesi 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:28.399 and his representatives have been desperately contacting Republican networks in 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.080 the US, approaching senior figures to try and appeal to 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:36.280 President Trump. The lack of communication between the two leaders 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:41.400 comes at a precarious time for Australia, with Chinese warships 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:47.800 circling our coastline and even conducting live fire exercises. Trump's 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.160 twenty five percent tariffs on Australian aluminium and steel are 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.240 also scheduled to start in just eight days, and the 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:02.520 tariffs on Canada and Mexico begin today on Tuesday US time. Well, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.760 we can see that time is now running out. The 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.800 pair haven't spoken since February the tenth. Australian officials have 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.280 been frantically trying to achieve an exemption on the trade tariffs, 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:20.720 and they're getting increasingly panicked. I've confirmed there is no 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:26.120 further call currently set between alban Easy and Trump. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:27.919 Sauces tell me. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.799 Alban Easy has been trying to set up a call 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.760 with Trump, but albin Easy denies this. One source with 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.080 close ties to Trump told me and I quote, the 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:46.960 ambassador has been kissing my ass works every angle and 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.600 about Trump's attitude towards our prime minister. This source said 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.400 he's as in Trump's ending the Third World War, no 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:02.240 time for anti Trump left wing globalists. So that's a 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.080 pretty brutal description of Alberizi as an anti Trump, left 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.480 wing globalist. The Trump administration is well aware of both 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.960 Albanisi and Kevin Rud's past comments about the President, and 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.000 I approached Rudd and the Prime Minister for comment. A 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:23.040 spokeswoman for Albanesi said this is wrong. It's an absolutely 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.280 incorrect insinuation that they have been rebuffed. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:29.920 Now, my understanding is that Donald. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.520 Trump's trade advisor, Peter Navarro is not keen on the 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:38.560 idea of giving Australia a trade exemption, and Treasurer Jim 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.920 Chalmers downplayed hopes of an exemption when he returned from 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.440 Washington on the weekend. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.360 Oh, We're under no illusions. It will be hard, I think, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.320 as Penny Wong has pointed out before, this is a 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.960 big hill to climb. It will be harder this time 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.040 than last time. We had a very productive conversation. We 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.160 were able to make the case. They heard us out, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.880 and you know, I'm not going to take any outcome 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.040 for granted or try and make predictions or preempt where 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.160 the Americans might land. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.960 But Trump has said publicly that he understands Australia has 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.160 a trade surplus with America. He's also said he'd give 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.760 great consideration to an exemption. 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.360 We have a surplus with Australia. What are the few 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.960 and the reason is they buy a lot of aeroplanes. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.480 They are rather far away and they need lots of aeroplanes, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.880 and we actually have a surplus. It's one of the 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.040 only countries. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:32.159 Which we do. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.640 But Australia is the least of Trump's concerns at the moment, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.839 as he deals with the fallout of the explosive Zelensky meeting. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.960 He's also preparing to deliver a major address to Congress 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.360 on Tuesday night. Yet Trump has found the time to 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:57.679 meet out the White House with the leaders of Israel, Japan, Jordan, India, France, 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:02.880 the United Kingdom, and of course Ukraine. Our Prime minister 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.680 hasn't made the trip to the White House since Trump's 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.599 election in November. And if alban Easy can't manage proper 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.159 communication with a president of the United States, well that's 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.719 a terrible look for him, particularly on the eve of 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:22.080 a federal election. It exposes the distance in the relationship 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:27.640 between Australia and our greatest and most important strategic and 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:33.040 security ally America. Under the Albanesi government, It's a relationship 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.159 that Peter Dutton believes he could manage more effectively. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.400 Well, I've worked very closely with the Obama administration, with 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:47.400 the Trump administration, with the Biden administration, and we have 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.400 good relationships with a number of people in the forty 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.520 seventh presidency in the West Wing, and we can work 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.120 very closely and effectively with them. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.400 There's a little doubt that alban Easy like the personal skills, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.360 the charisma, the strength of the political nous to deal 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.560 effectively with Donald Trump and achieve the best outcomes for 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:15.000 our country. Now, I'm going to come back to that 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.159 story in a moment with Bronwin Bishop and Holly Hughes. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.160 But first, right now, as we go to air, Queensland 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.960 and northern New South Wales are preparing for a major cyclone. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.840 It's expected to hit in just two days time. Meteorologists 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.680 say Cyclone Alfred is a once in a fifty year 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.760 weather event and there are serious concerns about the impact 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:42.760 it'll have. It could reach serious devastation residents could lose 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:47.719 power and fresh water for days. Four million Queenslanders are 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.400 on high alert now. The cyclone is forecast to hit 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.400 Australian land on Thursday night. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:54.360 Or Friday morning. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.600 The Bureau of Meteorology predicts that its impact would be 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.200 greatest in Brisbane, the Gold Coast and the Northern Rivers 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.279 basically southern Queensland and northern New South Wales. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.560 A tropical cyclone watch extends from Sandy Cape in Queensland 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.440 down to areas just north of Grafton in New South Wales. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.040 Now in those areas we are likely to see gale 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.800 force winds developing in the next twenty four to forty 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:18.480 eight hours. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.520 There are also warning that there'll be heavy rainfall and 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:27.000 life threatening flash fighting for both Thursday and Friday, and 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.120 the wind gusts are predicted to be up to one 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.840 hundred and fifty kilometers an hour. There are also warnings 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.720 that waves could reach nine meters high, creating dangerous conditions 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.440 on the water. Now the Bureau of Meteorologies say this 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.320 will be a Category two most likely when it hits 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:49.160 Queensland's southeast coast, and families from South Stridebog Island are 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:50.600 already evacuating. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.760 Voluntary evacuations are already occurring on South Stridebrack Island as 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.600 a precaution. Our emergency crews are also door knocking the 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.920 at risk areas across sun On Coast, Morton and the 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.440 Brisbane Buy areas today. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.120 As a result of all of this, there is panic 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:11.320 buying in Queensland supermarkets, The Courier Mail reporting that water 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.520 has sold out in many suburbs and milk and bread 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:19.320 are running low. Queensland Premier David Chrisafooley and New Southeales 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.200 Premier Chris Mins are both warning residents to prepare for 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:23.800 the worst. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.680 Alfred's obviously a major concern for New South Wales tropical cyclone, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.320 warning that we haven't had in the state for decades. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.840 It is serious and it is happening and we want 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.720 Queenslanders to be prepared. We are and we want Queenslanders 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.599 to know we'll get through this if you do the 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.760 preparation now. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.400 Aside from the devastation of the cyclone, this could also 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.440 impact the timing of the federal election. The Prime Minister 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.680 was poised to call the election on Sunday afternoon for 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.520 April twelve. He was expected to head to Yarra Lamla 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.040 to see the Governor General either on Sunday after the 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.520 WA election on Saturday or on Monday, and he's already 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.880 deployed Labour staff to their campaign a headquarters in Sydney. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.040 Sam Maiden reports today on news dot com dot Au 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.200 that Labor has canceled their planned economic meetings this week, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.840 which were meant to prepare for the budget. She writes 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.760 that senior cabinet sources have confirmed they expect the PM 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.440 to visit the Governor General straight after the WA state. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.720 Election on March eight. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.080 But if the cyclone devastation is catastrophic, and if there's 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.319 a humanitarian disaster, it would be unseemly for alban Easy 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.040 to press ahead with calling the election. The Prime Minister 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.560 would risk looking heartless and insensitive if he puts his 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:54.560 political campaign ahead of the cyclone cleanup effort. It's a 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.679 point Our regular on the show Cameron Milner makes in 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.720 The Nightly. He says, now, even for a bloke like Albo, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.200 tone death and out of touch, calling a national election 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:11.320 would seem like a particularly callous act. Now the election 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.679 has to be held by May seventeenth, so if Albanze 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.120 doesn't have it on April twelve, He'll then have to 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.440 wait until May the third or May the tenth, because 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:28.040 in late April there's Easter Anzac Day, the school holidays. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.680 Now having the election in May means that Albanize would 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.040 have to have a federal budget and he's not inclined 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.360 to do that because he's not going to be able 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.079 to deliver a surplus yet again, not with Labour's level 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.160 of pre election spending. Now, Cameron Milner makes the fascinating 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:49.520 point that Labour's trying to turn the election campaign into 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.600 a referendum on Peter Dutton. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.000 It's why you're seeing attacks like this. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.480 We need leadership with a heart. Peter Dutton represents a 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:04.760 could mean spirit. It's sometimes just plain nasty response and 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.600 that's not going to help people. Seriously, I'll swap my 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:15.079 property portfolio with Peters. I'll tell you what weaknesses. Weaknesses 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.520 not having the guts to come to the National Press Club. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.600 Weakness is just saying no to everything before you even 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:22.520 see the detail. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.679 If Labor is successful in framing the election as a 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.760 referendum on Peter Dutton, well they could do better. Then 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.480 the polls are expecting them to do at the moment, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:39.559 and this would be a repeat of how Albanesi eviscerated 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:44.040 Scott Morrison's character. But if the election is a referendum 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.320 on the cost of living, then Labour's done because there's 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.600 no question Albinizi promised to solve the cost of living 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.040 crisis and yet every single aspect of life has become 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:02.840 more unaffordable under his government. Okay, let's bring in now 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.400 Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and former Speaker of the House 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:07.400 Ronman Bishop. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:08.880 Welcome to you both. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.200 Now, I want to start with getting your reaction to 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.560 my exclusive story tonight that Albanizi hasn't managed to schedule 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.840 another call with Donald Trump, despite a Chinese warship circling 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.720 our coast and the trade tariffs that kick in on 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.280 March twelve. Holly, so many leaders have visited the White House, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.160 not Albanzi and it can't even get another call. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.680 As absolutely disgraceful. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.760 We are the only country that is a member of 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.320 the Quad that hasn't had a meeting with President Trump 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.160 since his election at leadership level. And it was interesting 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.280 to hear Penny Wong say that when she was at 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:49.439 the UN she couldn't possibly meet with the Israeli representatives 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.320 because they weren't at her level. Yet, somehow or other, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.360 we're expected to believe that sending Penny Wong to the 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.560 inauguration of Donald Trump was sending some one at the 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.960 appropriate level. This is a government who is frightened. I 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.720 think of Donald Trump. They know that he very much 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.480 bases things on how people behave, what they've said, and he's. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:11.400 Got a very long memory. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.720 And you know, as we know, back in seventeen eighteen, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.320 when Joe Hockey was the ambassador, he was able to 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.800 secure an exemption, he was able to get those tariffs 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:26.760 held off for Australia. Yet Albaneze's hand picked ambassador, Kevin Rudd, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.240 can't even secure a meeting or a phone call. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.959 And it just shows how pathetic both of them are. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.720 What's your reaction to you know, whichever way you look 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.520 at it, clearly there's not a close relationship between the 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:41.199 two leaders. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.559 Look, he is a man with a memory, and he 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.440 really does judge people's character on how they respond to 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:53.120 certain things. So he remembers Kevin Rudd, he remarks about 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:58.120 him personally, he remembers Albanesi's remarks about him personally, and 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:02.320 more particularly, he notes that when he's taken a stance 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.400 on Ukraine that our Prime minister came out and said, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:12.240 well where all for Ukraine? With the hypocrisy of the man. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.240 When asked by Selensky for helicopters, which we no longer, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.120 we just buried them. We promised them tanks. They haven't 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.560 been delivered. So he and that doesn't go unnoticed. So 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:29.920 he knows that the character of Albanisi is weak. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:31.160 He just knows it. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.280 And when you look at the incidence, as you mentioned, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.640 with the Chinese ship in our waters, still it's still 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.040 still in our waters. What that ship is showing to 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:48.200 our Pacific island states is don't rely on Australia, rely 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.880 on us, because they can't even follow us and know 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.400 when we're here. So we're in a really difficult bind 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.680 with this man. And if we were to re elect him, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.080 then I think our going relationships are in peril because 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.360 at every turn, unfortunately, because this is something where we 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:11.240 wanted to be bipartisan, where we support our leadership in 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.920 strong action, but there hasn't been any. And as for 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.560 the elections that he's said to call, he's just dithering 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.000 he just did this. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.480 It's like you can't make up his mind. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.200 He's so indecisive and I can't decide which day he 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.360 wants to call the election. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.680 He I mean, it's just in action. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:32.240 It's completely frustrating, I think to all Australians at the moment, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.760 because there's a faux campaign being run. I think Australians 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.360 have a right to know whether or not they're going 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.720 to get a budget in three weeks and this. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.440 Will they won't they? 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.720 Oh, I'm not going to tell you it's due on 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.080 the seventeenth of May. You look, my husband's got a thought. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.680 This guy might realize that he's slightly on the nose, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.760 So he's clinging on to every day at the address 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.600 at the Lodge and Kiribillity, just in case it's not 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.080 his home after the election. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.440 I actually get this sense that he's overly confident the 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.040 Prime Minister. It's a bit like he was before the 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.480 referendum when he thought the Voice was going to sail through. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.480 He was so confident and that's how he's feeling at 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:12.960 the moment. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.200 Whether there's reason for that or not. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.720 I mean, the polls indicate he doesn't have reason to 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:18.400 be confident. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.480 But the fact that he got a bit of a 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:25.000 fillip with the lowering of interest rates, whether that gives 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.160 a balance in the polls or not, it's given him abouts. Yes, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.520 it's given him more confidence to go out. But then 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.120 I watched today's press confidence and seriously, this was a 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:39.280 man who in the election campaign that he won, whenever 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.400 he give a performance like that, they'd say, oh, he's 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.600 got COVID and he'd be off for a week. Well 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.200 I haven't got COVID anymore. So where are they going 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:47.680 to send him? What are they going to do with him? 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.520 We are in a campaign now and it's going to 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.240 be long and he doesn't have the resilience for that. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.280 So whenever, whatever date. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.480 He calls, and I agree that the cyclone is going 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.120 to have but just unless he feels he can go 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.119 out and be seen as the hero and look at me, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.040 I'm giving assistance. That didn't do too well for the 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.080 former Premier of Queensland, as I recall. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.480 But also Dutton's bunker down in Queensland. You know his 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:19.680 electorates in Queensland and you know it's going to be Look, 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.000 we don't want it to be devastating. I hope the 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.240 weather forecasters the meteorologists have it wrong, as they so 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.040 often do, but at this point it is expected to 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.199 be hitting southern Queensland quite hard. All right, let's have 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.040 a look at this report in the finn Review today. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.439 It shows that the gender pay gap is still a 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.480 problem in corporate Australia, the AFAR reporting that the best 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.119 paid workers at some of Australia's top companies are still 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:52.080 overwhelmingly men, earning million dollar salaries. Now there's two issues here, Holly. 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.440 You know, the issue is there's either a gap when 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.440 men and women are doing the same job but they're 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.679 paid different. But I think what we're seeing more and 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.200 more is that it's just that more men have seen 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.800 your roles than women do and thus. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.200 Earn higher salaries. 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.320 What do you think, well, and I mean the reality 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.959 is most of the time women are the caregivers and 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.640 so it's women who quite often take a step out 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.160 of their career for a period of time. Now, whether 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.520 that's right or wrong, I know that we talk about 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.480 all the time about fathers being given more leave and 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.480 better at work, you know, working conditions for men to 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.720 be more flexible to spend more time with their families 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.760 and it is important that kids have a good relationship 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.600 with their dads, but that hasn't been the trend in 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.560 the past. And you know, hopefully as we go forward 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.040 we will see more women enter into those top echelons 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.080 of management. But I think as far as the gender 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.159 pay gap goes, you know, there is a lot of 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.040 legislation that the Labor Party wants, you know, put in 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.120 that if you're doing the same job, it's same pay. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.560 Remember they had the big slogan about that. So I 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.680 think we need to understand where it is and where 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.560 it's coming from, and it's sort of a totality of care, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.560 not people getting paid less for doing the same same job. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.880 Yeah, yeah, Robin, I'm really interested to hear your insights 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:12.360 on this because when you came through in politics, there 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.360 weren't many women in politics at all or in senior 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.800 roles in corporate Australia. You know, you really were, You 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.200 are a trailblazer. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.520 It's perfectly true. There were for twenty years no women 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.400 at all in the Lower House. And when I went 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.600 into the Senate, when you realized that the first woman 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.240 to be elected, and she wasn't elected, she was a 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.960 placement by the Western Australian government for a casual vacancy 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.280 was nineteen forty three, a labor center from Western Australia. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.720 I went in in nineteen eighty seven and New South 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.600 Wales had never elected popularly a female senator then. But 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.959 the difference is and I was sort of one of 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.480 the original members of Chief Executive Women. So I'm very 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.400 pleased women who have taken strong steps forward and are 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:05.200 in those sessols. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.800 Look at the top of the Macquarie. 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.840 Banks, she's very impressive and there are a lot of 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.239 women as a caliber. But it gets used by some 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.120 people to say until we've got even numbers of men 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.760 and women, that there's a pay gap. Well, it doesn't 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.120 work like that. It's still got to be the best 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.560 person for the job. And there's no place for DEI 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.640 in those top jobs. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.360 You just don't get the leadership. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.200 You don't get productivity, you don't get good outcome for 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:33.120 your shareholders. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.879 But although it's still. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.040 Tough and you've really got to fight to stay there 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.720 and to get on, the opportunities are there. And I 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:45.720 think there's one other aspect that I think has been 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:50.719 important to women stepping up more, and that is the 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.640 way that marriage marriages have tended to end in divorce, 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.399 that a woman has to be prepared very often to 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.000 support a household, so don't lose your skills. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:01.680 Good point. 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.040 I just want to say, as a final comment, run 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.879 when I don't think you have been recognized. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.520 I don't not even nearly enough. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.760 You haven't been recognized at all by the feminists or 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:17.240 the feminist groups for the role you've played in bringing 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.359 women into politics. And it's because you're a conservative women women, 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.479 it's because you're from the Liberal Party. All of the 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.359 feminists groups are basically left wing organizations. And you know 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.280 you should be celebrated for the role you've played and 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.919 recognized for that. Absolutely, and you know, maybe we'll have 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:36.440 to get you one of the t shirts that Caro 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:37.800 de Russo got a few of us. 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.240 Made during the Me Too movement. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.120 Wrong kind of woman because conservative women we deserve it. 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:48.080 The Me Too movement believe all women except conservative women. 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:49.040 So absolutely. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.680 And you know, I get compared to you quite often 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.879 and people like to leave me feedback or you're just 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.640 the next Broman Bishop, and I think. 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:58.400 Well, what a compliment. 0:21:58.560 --> 0:21:59.920 I take it as a compliment. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.439 I'm not quite sure they mean it that way, I 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.479 can tell you that's how I take it. 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.040 I think it definitely is a confident a compliment. You 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.480 are both very strong women, all right. And on that note, 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.800 thank you so much, Holly Hughes from a bishop. 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.760 Wonderful to see you as always. Actually, I appreciate your time. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.439 All right, let's return now to this cyclone that we 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.119 are expecting, Cyclone Alfred, which is currently fluctuating between a 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.399 category one and category two tropical cyclone. It's expected to 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.080 hit on late Thursday. The Bureau of Meteorology is Tropical 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.639 cyclone Watch extends all the way from Sandy Cape and 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.120 Queensland to just north of Grafton in New South Wales. 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.919 Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, so families are on 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.320 high alert. I spoke with a Bureau of Meteorologies Senior 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:50.160 meteorologist Angus Heines a little while ago. Angus Heines, thank 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.920 you so much for your time. When are we expecting 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:57.480 Cyclone Alfred to make landfall? Good evening. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.800 Yeah, we've seen Cyclone Alfred take a real shift today. 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.919 It had been moving southeast toward slightly away from the country. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.159