1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,801 Speaker 1: Approject production. 2 00:00:13,521 --> 00:00:17,281 Speaker 2: And I did two years in Afghanistan with it as 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: an FCO from CONWA contract, but it was with hmr C. 4 00:00:21,921 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: So we had an officer from like Hifo Airport down 5 00:00:25,361 --> 00:00:29,641 Speaker 2: in Dover, Edinburgh Airport, Manchester Airport, and what we was 6 00:00:29,681 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: doing was that the Afghan drugs police were being trained 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: up and then we was taking our customs officers out 8 00:00:36,641 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: to sort of mentor them out at work and make 9 00:00:38,561 --> 00:00:40,001 Speaker 2: sure they're doing what they should be doing. So we 10 00:00:40,361 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: used to fly all over the country, put the vehicles 11 00:00:42,801 --> 00:00:45,361 Speaker 2: on a plane, drive off whether he was going to 12 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:49,641 Speaker 2: visit a city gate checkpoint or visit an airport, and 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,161 Speaker 2: that was quite an interesting job. It wasn't too bad 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: in the north. In the south it got quite dangerous. 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,881 Speaker 2: But that was quite a good fun job because you 16 00:00:56,921 --> 00:00:59,841 Speaker 2: could you literally cover the whole of Afghanistan and we 17 00:00:59,921 --> 00:01:02,721 Speaker 2: went to airports where people were struggling drugs and they 18 00:01:02,721 --> 00:01:06,001 Speaker 2: weren't all Afghanist. Some were Westerners doing things they shouldn't 19 00:01:06,001 --> 00:01:09,041 Speaker 2: be and they got caught. We had a guy we 20 00:01:09,121 --> 00:01:12,441 Speaker 2: got called into one night, late one night and he'd 21 00:01:12,481 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: been pulled in and he had three tubs of what 22 00:01:16,321 --> 00:01:19,521 Speaker 2: should have been protein and the Afghans has got him 23 00:01:19,601 --> 00:01:21,761 Speaker 2: and it is all neat heroin and he was due 24 00:01:21,801 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: to drop it off in Dubai and then make his 25 00:01:24,881 --> 00:01:26,721 Speaker 2: way home to South Africa. And he think he'd done 26 00:01:26,761 --> 00:01:28,961 Speaker 2: it a few times. I always remember when we got there, 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,921 Speaker 2: I said to the guys looking after he said, he said, 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,561 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on here, he said, but 29 00:01:33,681 --> 00:01:37,241 Speaker 2: he could tell he had done it. And the guy 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,681 Speaker 2: licked his finger, put it in the top of the 31 00:01:39,721 --> 00:01:43,041 Speaker 2: pot and then put it in his fingers. So he said, look, 32 00:01:43,041 --> 00:01:47,841 Speaker 2: it's only protein. And he overdosed instantly on it because 33 00:01:47,841 --> 00:01:51,761 Speaker 2: it is neat hero He just literally overdosed instantly on it, 34 00:01:51,801 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: sh sweating straight down to the floor. 35 00:01:55,401 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: I said, is this a hospital job? 36 00:01:56,841 --> 00:02:00,521 Speaker 2: Because to put another spin on it, now, we got 37 00:02:00,561 --> 00:02:05,561 Speaker 2: to mess around in an Afghan hospital and luckily it wasn't. 38 00:02:05,761 --> 00:02:07,641 Speaker 2: We got away without having to take the hospital. But 39 00:02:07,881 --> 00:02:10,161 Speaker 2: he went he got arrested and taken away by the 40 00:02:10,201 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: Afghan officials. He was in the Afghani drugs police station 41 00:02:14,921 --> 00:02:17,681 Speaker 2: when we went down to visit him. He was all 42 00:02:17,721 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: shackled up and in there. In there retire if you liked, 43 00:02:21,121 --> 00:02:23,081 Speaker 2: and he got sentence. I can't remember what he got now. 44 00:02:23,081 --> 00:02:26,161 Speaker 2: But he got sentenced to a prison called polo Sharchy, 45 00:02:26,201 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: which is inketball, and he got quite a few years. 46 00:02:30,561 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: And obviously places like that, if you get fifty years, 47 00:02:33,001 --> 00:02:35,361 Speaker 2: it's fifty years, is no good behavior or anything else. 48 00:02:36,881 --> 00:02:40,561 Speaker 2: It's still here today. So yeah, So going back now 49 00:02:41,081 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, when I was in Afghanistan, 50 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,361 Speaker 2: I just got home from Afghanistan on a month's leave 51 00:02:47,841 --> 00:02:50,841 Speaker 2: and I a mate of one I worked with out there, 52 00:02:50,881 --> 00:02:52,681 Speaker 2: he lived in Edinburgh. He said, why don't you come 53 00:02:52,721 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: up for a couple of days and we'll go out 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,481 Speaker 2: of drinking in Edinburgh. And I don't think at the time, 55 00:02:55,481 --> 00:02:57,081 Speaker 2: I don't think I've never been up it. So we 56 00:02:57,201 --> 00:02:58,441 Speaker 2: just got up there. I'd only been up there a 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: day and someone called me and said, can you look 58 00:03:00,281 --> 00:03:04,321 Speaker 2: after a guy in London next week for ten days? 59 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:06,561 Speaker 2: And I was I don't really want to do that 60 00:03:06,601 --> 00:03:11,081 Speaker 2: because I've funny got four weeks off so and I said, 61 00:03:11,561 --> 00:03:14,361 Speaker 2: I'm in Edinburgh, not even in London, and they went, 62 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:17,881 Speaker 2: all right, so you can't do it. I said, n now, 63 00:03:17,881 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: I can't do it. Anyway, they rung me back about 64 00:03:20,161 --> 00:03:23,361 Speaker 2: an hour later and they put the money up. They 65 00:03:23,401 --> 00:03:25,121 Speaker 2: want a lot of money neither, but they put it up. 66 00:03:28,161 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: They said, you sure you can't do it, Sure you 67 00:03:29,721 --> 00:03:31,921 Speaker 2: can't do it. I don't know what I said. One 68 00:03:32,001 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: mate based, you might go home because you've mentioned about 69 00:03:35,241 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: working in London before. He said this could be good, 70 00:03:37,481 --> 00:03:41,281 Speaker 2: just to see what it's all about and that. So 71 00:03:41,281 --> 00:03:44,561 Speaker 2: I said, oh, I god in, I'll do it. I 72 00:03:44,601 --> 00:03:46,481 Speaker 2: had to get a flight back down the next day, 73 00:03:46,601 --> 00:03:48,521 Speaker 2: so make sure we might as well go out tonight 74 00:03:48,761 --> 00:03:50,521 Speaker 2: because we're not we let a night out yet and 75 00:03:50,521 --> 00:03:53,521 Speaker 2: you're gonna go already. So we went out as you do. 76 00:03:53,841 --> 00:03:58,161 Speaker 2: Missed my flight the next day, just got the time's 77 00:03:58,201 --> 00:04:03,801 Speaker 2: all wrong, just longing, and it turned up they'd already gone. 78 00:04:04,641 --> 00:04:06,561 Speaker 2: They managed to get me on another one, but now 79 00:04:06,601 --> 00:04:08,361 Speaker 2: I didn't have time to get down to Eastpool and 80 00:04:08,361 --> 00:04:09,561 Speaker 2: I had to go to I think it was Looting 81 00:04:09,601 --> 00:04:12,521 Speaker 2: Airport to pick Jackson up. I still didn't know it 82 00:04:12,561 --> 00:04:15,601 Speaker 2: was at his time, so I didn't have time to 83 00:04:15,601 --> 00:04:17,161 Speaker 2: go back down to Eastport and come back up to 84 00:04:17,161 --> 00:04:19,041 Speaker 2: get my stuff. So I ended up landing in London, 85 00:04:19,721 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: buy and suit, shirt, all the bits I needed, shooting 86 00:04:25,681 --> 00:04:28,201 Speaker 2: straight across to loot into a hotel which was just 87 00:04:28,281 --> 00:04:30,921 Speaker 2: outside the airport where it was told to me going 88 00:04:31,001 --> 00:04:34,281 Speaker 2: in in the bathroom there and putting all this rig on. 89 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,481 Speaker 2: I just had out next door wherever it might have been, 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,921 Speaker 2: and the creases down the where it's come out, going 91 00:04:41,961 --> 00:04:50,241 Speaker 2: on uncomfortable sheets, and the warning before and then they 92 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,001 Speaker 2: gave us a pack and it had Michael Jackson on 93 00:04:53,041 --> 00:04:57,201 Speaker 2: the front of it, and I, for some reason, I 94 00:04:57,241 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: didn't think it was him. I just thought, you know, 95 00:04:58,801 --> 00:05:03,041 Speaker 2: he was on the front of it, and I realized 96 00:05:03,081 --> 00:05:05,681 Speaker 2: that I was Michael Jackson, is it? And I was like, 97 00:05:05,721 --> 00:05:09,961 Speaker 2: I came in. About an hour later we landed and 98 00:05:10,041 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: the job started. And I never always say to it, 99 00:05:12,681 --> 00:05:16,281 Speaker 2: I never really I never really fully appreciated that job. 100 00:05:16,481 --> 00:05:19,401 Speaker 2: We took him to the World Music Awards, took him 101 00:05:19,401 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: to Guinness Book of Records. He had all these different 102 00:05:21,201 --> 00:05:22,721 Speaker 2: bits and pieces he had to go and do while 103 00:05:22,761 --> 00:05:26,241 Speaker 2: he was in London. But because I was, you know, 104 00:05:26,601 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: I think I had like another ten days off after that, 105 00:05:28,601 --> 00:05:32,361 Speaker 2: and I was going back to Afghanistan. It's just another 106 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,041 Speaker 2: job for me, and I just didn't I didn't really 107 00:05:35,081 --> 00:05:38,441 Speaker 2: appreciate the facts, you know, where it wasn't what it 108 00:05:38,521 --> 00:05:41,561 Speaker 2: was anyway, I did that. The job was. The job 109 00:05:41,681 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: was quite good. I always remember at the time when 110 00:05:46,201 --> 00:05:48,121 Speaker 2: that finished. A mate of mine who used to be 111 00:05:48,161 --> 00:05:50,001 Speaker 2: in the army lived in London. He said, stay up, 112 00:05:50,161 --> 00:05:52,281 Speaker 2: stay up the next night. We every night out, so 113 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,121 Speaker 2: there's a lot of nights out going on. So I said, oh, 114 00:05:56,281 --> 00:05:58,481 Speaker 2: I'll stay up. This is funny, this is And there 115 00:05:58,961 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: I was in Leicster Square at the time, I think, 116 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: and I was talking to some girl in this club 117 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: and she said, what are you doing up here? Anyway? 118 00:06:04,161 --> 00:06:06,921 Speaker 2: I said, I'll just finished after Michael Jackson, and she 119 00:06:07,001 --> 00:06:11,801 Speaker 2: went bullshit and walked off, and I. 120 00:06:11,761 --> 00:06:12,921 Speaker 1: Thought about it after that. 121 00:06:14,281 --> 00:06:17,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a bit is a bit of a shout. 122 00:06:17,041 --> 00:06:18,001 Speaker 1: Up like that, A. 123 00:06:22,961 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: Count productive that one. Yeah, so that yeah, So that 124 00:06:28,521 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: was that back in two thousand and six. So I've 125 00:06:31,001 --> 00:06:33,161 Speaker 2: done a bit of I've done you know that's been 126 00:06:33,201 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: around London and done it. So my friend in Afghanistan 127 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: at the time I was talking to you, said you 128 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,681 Speaker 2: spoke about being a bloodyud in London and you know 129 00:06:38,721 --> 00:06:41,001 Speaker 2: you've done Jackson, this, that and the other. Why don't 130 00:06:41,041 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: you go back and do it? And I had another 131 00:06:43,641 --> 00:06:45,721 Speaker 2: friend out there who'd been doing it in London before 132 00:06:45,721 --> 00:06:47,721 Speaker 2: he come to Afghanistan. So he hooked me up with 133 00:06:47,761 --> 00:06:49,801 Speaker 2: a few names of people who had businesses and different 134 00:06:49,801 --> 00:06:52,281 Speaker 2: bits and pieces and I went back and when I 135 00:06:52,281 --> 00:06:54,041 Speaker 2: got back to London, I was lucky enough to get 136 00:06:54,041 --> 00:06:57,041 Speaker 2: a job with the Dubai All family, where I did 137 00:06:57,081 --> 00:07:01,721 Speaker 2: two years, little easy job. I did two years with them, 138 00:07:01,801 --> 00:07:04,481 Speaker 2: and after that I set up my security company which 139 00:07:04,521 --> 00:07:07,921 Speaker 2: was twenty ten and I left them because of the 140 00:07:08,241 --> 00:07:10,481 Speaker 2: time of you know, all the other stuff I had 141 00:07:10,481 --> 00:07:12,841 Speaker 2: going on, and then worked just carried on after that 142 00:07:13,161 --> 00:07:15,841 Speaker 2: for me in the bodyguard industry, were. 143 00:07:15,921 --> 00:07:18,921 Speaker 1: We started were you armed with when you're looking after 144 00:07:18,961 --> 00:07:19,761 Speaker 1: the Dubai. 145 00:07:20,161 --> 00:07:22,641 Speaker 2: Anything in the UK? Nothing? Nothing at all, No, no 146 00:07:22,721 --> 00:07:26,201 Speaker 2: firearms and literally nothing at all. But we did have 147 00:07:26,441 --> 00:07:29,441 Speaker 2: the Dubai All than they do have two Dubai police 148 00:07:29,481 --> 00:07:33,281 Speaker 2: officers with them, which are they were allowed to be. 149 00:07:34,041 --> 00:07:38,361 Speaker 2: But yeah, but we weren't. Literally, my whole bodyguard career 150 00:07:38,401 --> 00:07:40,401 Speaker 2: in the UK and Europe, if you like, I worked, 151 00:07:41,201 --> 00:07:44,081 Speaker 2: I worked on my own apart from Michael Jackson. Michael 152 00:07:44,121 --> 00:07:46,241 Speaker 2: Jackson was the only one that I've worked with other people. 153 00:07:46,401 --> 00:07:49,761 Speaker 2: Everyone else I've looked after, it was on my own. 154 00:07:51,001 --> 00:07:52,401 Speaker 1: Do you feel better doing it by yourself. 155 00:07:53,441 --> 00:07:55,601 Speaker 2: Yes and no, it can be more heckedic, especially with 156 00:07:55,601 --> 00:07:59,481 Speaker 2: celebritiescause quite a bit to do and trying to get 157 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:02,241 Speaker 2: to places, and sometimes two is better. 158 00:08:02,881 --> 00:08:04,481 Speaker 1: Did you drive it? Were you always the driver? 159 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:06,681 Speaker 2: As we always had a driver, so I don't have 160 00:08:06,681 --> 00:08:10,401 Speaker 2: to worry about that, which is you know that was 161 00:08:10,401 --> 00:08:12,121 Speaker 2: a good thing. I mean you couldn't really done it 162 00:08:12,161 --> 00:08:13,521 Speaker 2: if you'd driven, to be honest, because some of the 163 00:08:13,561 --> 00:08:15,561 Speaker 2: places we used to drop people and I used to 164 00:08:15,561 --> 00:08:17,841 Speaker 2: make the cargo up on the on the pavement and 165 00:08:17,841 --> 00:08:20,201 Speaker 2: get close to the doors as possible sometimes because we 166 00:08:20,241 --> 00:08:22,001 Speaker 2: didn't want the fuss. You wouldn't be able to do 167 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:25,361 Speaker 2: it all if you weren't if you had to drive 168 00:08:25,361 --> 00:08:27,881 Speaker 2: as well. But yeah I did. I was with Bellahadeed 169 00:08:28,001 --> 00:08:31,081 Speaker 2: for a couple of years in London, Kendall jenneral, I 170 00:08:31,121 --> 00:08:38,001 Speaker 2: was with a Naomi can'll busy Rascal. I've done quite 171 00:08:38,041 --> 00:08:39,281 Speaker 2: a few in the end, as well as all the 172 00:08:39,321 --> 00:08:44,041 Speaker 2: other stuff in between, like you know, your politicians, your 173 00:08:44,081 --> 00:08:48,561 Speaker 2: higher network families, your CEOs of banks. So I did 174 00:08:48,561 --> 00:08:52,841 Speaker 2: all the bits in between. But with the celebrity stuff 175 00:08:52,881 --> 00:08:54,841 Speaker 2: once it's hard to get in with. But once you 176 00:08:54,921 --> 00:08:58,081 Speaker 2: kind of do you kind of stay in that circle 177 00:08:58,121 --> 00:08:59,561 Speaker 2: if you good at what you do, because they don't 178 00:08:59,601 --> 00:09:01,641 Speaker 2: like trusting too many new people all the time, so 179 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:03,681 Speaker 2: you get pushed around the same circle. 180 00:09:03,841 --> 00:09:04,281 Speaker 1: What was that? 181 00:09:04,281 --> 00:09:04,601 Speaker 2: What? Like? 182 00:09:04,641 --> 00:09:07,441 Speaker 1: I know you he said you looked after Jackson, But 183 00:09:07,841 --> 00:09:09,241 Speaker 1: when you did it by yourself? 184 00:09:10,161 --> 00:09:10,401 Speaker 2: Was it? 185 00:09:11,081 --> 00:09:13,361 Speaker 1: What was Were you kind of nervous doing it by 186 00:09:13,361 --> 00:09:15,721 Speaker 1: yourself for the first time for the celebrity? You know 187 00:09:15,721 --> 00:09:18,481 Speaker 1: what I mean to know, because some celebrities go, don't 188 00:09:18,521 --> 00:09:20,161 Speaker 1: get them away if I want to stop, you know, 189 00:09:20,281 --> 00:09:23,281 Speaker 1: let me stop, let me said autographs when you know 190 00:09:23,361 --> 00:09:25,961 Speaker 1: that you don't want them to you know, did they 191 00:09:26,001 --> 00:09:28,361 Speaker 1: ever talk to you to tell you what they wanted first? 192 00:09:28,521 --> 00:09:29,801 Speaker 1: Or did you just go with the flow? 193 00:09:30,841 --> 00:09:32,881 Speaker 2: It's that it wasn't where he was going. But most 194 00:09:32,881 --> 00:09:34,801 Speaker 2: of these people said, I've looked after a lot more 195 00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:36,801 Speaker 2: people like celebrities of that, but I don't really mention 196 00:09:36,841 --> 00:09:38,321 Speaker 2: them because I've done a day or two with them. 197 00:09:38,401 --> 00:09:41,241 Speaker 2: So the ones I just mentioned that, I've done quite 198 00:09:41,241 --> 00:09:43,921 Speaker 2: a substantial amount of time with each of them. So yeah, 199 00:09:43,961 --> 00:09:45,761 Speaker 2: I mean I got to know him, I did you ask, 200 00:09:45,801 --> 00:09:49,041 Speaker 2: I known quite well. You know better, I know pretty well. 201 00:09:49,321 --> 00:09:51,921 Speaker 2: So most of them. We had a good relationship in 202 00:09:52,001 --> 00:09:54,121 Speaker 2: terms of talking, and it wasn't always just work. If 203 00:09:54,121 --> 00:09:56,481 Speaker 2: it was appropriate, we would talk about something was on 204 00:09:56,521 --> 00:10:00,481 Speaker 2: the telly or you know, like normal people do. And 205 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:04,481 Speaker 2: everyone I looked after always listened to me. And the 206 00:10:04,521 --> 00:10:06,921 Speaker 2: reason why I sound spighetted, that doesn't it But the 207 00:10:06,961 --> 00:10:10,361 Speaker 2: reason why that was is because it's very often I didn't. 208 00:10:10,361 --> 00:10:12,481 Speaker 2: It wasn't very often I tell them they couldn't do something, 209 00:10:13,401 --> 00:10:15,121 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? I try and keep 210 00:10:15,161 --> 00:10:17,881 Speaker 2: the whole day as free a reign as possible without 211 00:10:18,001 --> 00:10:20,961 Speaker 2: too much upset. But then if there was a day 212 00:10:21,081 --> 00:10:23,521 Speaker 2: I said that that's really not a good idea, they 213 00:10:23,921 --> 00:10:26,121 Speaker 2: would normally listen because they know that I'm quite easy 214 00:10:26,201 --> 00:10:28,841 Speaker 2: going and you know in the first place, so that 215 00:10:28,881 --> 00:10:30,641 Speaker 2: always worked well for me, and not only about having 216 00:10:30,681 --> 00:10:33,601 Speaker 2: a bodyguard. It's an infringement anyway, you know that we 217 00:10:33,601 --> 00:10:36,841 Speaker 2: was all I was. I was there when they woke up, 218 00:10:36,961 --> 00:10:38,601 Speaker 2: and I was there when they went to sleep, do 219 00:10:38,601 --> 00:10:40,281 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And it's a long time. 220 00:10:40,721 --> 00:10:42,601 Speaker 2: You can't go to bush around about, you can't go 221 00:10:42,641 --> 00:10:44,681 Speaker 2: to bathroom without me being there because you get too 222 00:10:44,761 --> 00:10:47,841 Speaker 2: much when you get messed around and it's quite an infringement, 223 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:51,881 Speaker 2: so if you don't get on it can be a pain.