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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Cummings and in.

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Speaker 3: This episode I speak with Owen John purmana a man

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Speaker 3: who went from the Navy service to the criminal underworld.

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Speaker 1: I applied for every single thing, I mean, Navy, in

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Speaker 1: the Air Force in the first the draft was the Navy.

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Speaker 1: End of my fifth formth year. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: come back to the school man. Well, I at school,

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Speaker 1: I made a home and the bushes there the cowboyd

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Speaker 1: boxes to actually shield me from the shame, right, couple

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Speaker 1: of Aboriginal kids and you're like, you're homeless any food?

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Speaker 1: These kids became my friends. You mean. I used to

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Speaker 1: turn up on a doorstep with the Pierre overalls on,

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Speaker 1: with something written on the bedge or the stolen.

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Speaker 2: Number playing on the side, and knock on the door.

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Speaker 2: Guy would open the door and up with the forty five.

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Speaker 1: Winds the money.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and thank you for coming on. I really appreciate this.

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Speaker 2: I know you're busy doing.

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Speaker 4: Your thing in the Ukraine's get this interview going. Let's

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Speaker 4: start with you growing up, your family and what you

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Speaker 4: got up to, what led you going towards King's Cross

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Speaker 4: and everything else in your life.

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Speaker 1: Well, man, be prepared for some colorful stories, because everyone's

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Speaker 1: got a story. But yeah, man, we come from a

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Speaker 1: little rural family, six kids, three brothers or two brothers,

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Speaker 1: and myself and two sisters. My actual brothers are really

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Speaker 1: famous there world powerlifting champs. My older brother actually won

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Speaker 1: a world powerlifting title here in Ukraine where I am

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Speaker 1: at present. But yeah, man, they say that when you're

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Speaker 1: the youngest you get spoiled. But I got all his

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Speaker 1: hand me down clothes and clothes if people didn't want

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Speaker 1: to wear it, and so like going to a rural school, right,

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Speaker 1: we used to wear bare feet, but like I had

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Speaker 1: a pair of stubby shorts and treetop shits, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, They wouldn't even fit. And so kids

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Speaker 1: used to laugh until until I got my first pair

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Speaker 1: of thunderbird's shoes with the big eagle on the side

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Speaker 1: of them. So I was like, man, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go home, and it's mum would see me crying and

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Speaker 1: be like, what's up? Was kids look laughing at my

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Speaker 1: thunderbird shoes because everyone else he had Charlie blacks and

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Speaker 1: we had thunderbirds. They never laughed when we started playing

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Speaker 1: bull rush us MOLDI kids. We had styles, so like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: that led into good some good things. We all played

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Speaker 1: represented a rugby when we grew up. But man, we

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Speaker 1: used to get sandwiches that if we got three to

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Speaker 1: go to school, you know, I mean, we'd get jam

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Speaker 1: and cheese, vigil white and lidduce and like every other

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Speaker 1: kid had chips. And my mate Nicholas. I hope Nicholas

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Speaker 1: isn't watching this podcast because the first thing I ever

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Speaker 1: stole was his toasted sandwich. I used to come with

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Speaker 1: his little school bag, right, and we had our jam

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Speaker 1: and cheese sandwich, and he'd have a nice toasted piece

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Speaker 1: and he used to unwrap it and he used to

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Speaker 1: And I thought, I'm going to steal that thing that

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Speaker 1: I did day. I sat on the toilet and ate it.

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Speaker 1: He came, he came out to eat it, and I

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Speaker 1: and then he started crying and I felt real terrible.

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Speaker 1: So Nicholas, it was me who stole you a sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I'm fifty four years.

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Speaker 2: Old now, and what are you gonna do about it?

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Speaker 1: We could still be friends, and I'm really sorry anyway.

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Speaker 2: I love about poor Breakfast. How was it? How was

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Speaker 2: it like? What was it like growing up in your household?

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Speaker 2: Was that a good household to grow up in?

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Speaker 1: Man? Yeah, man, it was. We lived on a farm,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So like the old man

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Speaker 1: would take us fishing, even that was a problem. I

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Speaker 1: caught my fist rainbow trout. Well, he caught it and

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Speaker 1: he asked me to pull it in and he said

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Speaker 1: he'd be gentle. And when the line broke, he got angry.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the things at our house, our dad got angry.

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Speaker 1: We were like, oh, crying was a sign of weakness

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Speaker 2: Wow. Is it like that in all islander like kind

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Speaker 1: Well, man, I can only I can only really talk

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Speaker 1: for ourselves because we're kind of like poor, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we lived on a farm and the.

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Speaker 1: Old man would just going to kill the pig, kill

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Speaker 1: So they sent us off to college, all six kids.

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Speaker 1: So we went. We got sent to a Catholic boys school,

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Speaker 1: which was even worse. Right, my start of my Christian

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Speaker 1: the priests. So I used to get in trouble all

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Speaker 1: the time and I used to get whacked. Right. We

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Speaker 1: had this priest called black Jack. It was real black.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of like a nice guy and smoked

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Speaker 1: So we'd end up outside the discipline master's office and like,

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Speaker 1: but he was real sentanic, Like he would have like

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Speaker 1: in front of the whole school on a Friday, right,

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Speaker 1: And I learned pretty quickly that like if you wore

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Speaker 1: And so like the priest would be sitting there smoking

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Speaker 1: you father, I've had my three. But if you didn't

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Speaker 1: all right. And because the whole school's watching you get

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Speaker 2: Right, you're like, you're like.

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Speaker 1: Get hit like that back, and then we really want

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Speaker 1: at golf. So anyway, regularly getting whacked by the breast.

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Speaker 1: But look, you get a choice to go to Christian

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Speaker 1: So a lot of us didn't like school would go

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Speaker 1: before I become a good Christian was needs to carry

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Speaker 1: the food and the wine and the emblems back to

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Speaker 1: this little house thing at the back of the church. Well,

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Speaker 1: one day we broke into it, ripped the door off it,

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Speaker 1: we just got drunk on the wine. Right. This is

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Speaker 1: how terrible I was at that school, probably why I

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Speaker 1: got whacked a lot, but like you didn't really like

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Speaker 1: that school. Oh my god. Then one day this big

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Speaker 1: bus turned up and it said Armed Forces of New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: It was the Downforces. Recruiters for the Army, Navy, police

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Speaker 1: single thing, the Army, Navy and the Air Force, and

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Speaker 1: the first to draft was the Navy. And so end

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Speaker 1: of my fifth form year, I don't want to come

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Speaker 1: know anything about the armed forces, right, and the recruiters

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Speaker 1: like he's he's breathing bright razor blades, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he's like the first thing he said to us, you

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Speaker 1: always had a good time. Oh yeah, had a good time.

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Speaker 1: Next day they're like a haircut, what kind of haircut

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Speaker 1: idea and make it look good straightaway. And then they

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Speaker 1: your motherfuckers my language, it's supposed to be godly, excuse me, motherfuckers. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: or you can sign this piece of paper. So looking around,

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Speaker 1: I had an opportunity. I joined as a seaman gallery

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Speaker 1: did a few courses in Melbourne and Cebus. There I

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Speaker 1: Clarence Dooving Branch, which was the hardest thing I've ever done. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, even though my friends were the instructors,

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Speaker 1: to do these mud runs. The mud runs the hardest

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Speaker 1: thing that he was done. Man, I'll tell you, But

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Speaker 1: I was fit and I don't like being laughed at.

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Speaker 1: And instructors always seemed to like sleeping with my sister

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Speaker 1: or rooting my mum, all those sorts of nasty stuff

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Speaker 1: to try and get you messed up, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but I remember on course they bring this peak slop

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Speaker 1: well that shit right, three minutes you go, dress, back up,

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Speaker 1: get back in the water. But when you're doing PT NonStop, NonStop,

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Speaker 1: the water. It was probably one of the hardest courses

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Speaker 1: I'd ever done. I think about four of US four

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Speaker 1: end up passing that course. But like a lot of

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Speaker 1: people will failed, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: So looking back at seventeen years old, I was kind

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Speaker 5: You know, did you ever think they're joining the navy

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Speaker 5: that what happens if you do have to you're needed

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Speaker 5: and you have to go to war or you have

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Speaker 5: to do something.

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Speaker 2: Does that evidentso your head?

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Speaker 1: No, man, You're yeah, there's there's lots of young blocks

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember going back home for the first time,

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Speaker 1: Here's all our fans, like, here's our sons, who you know,

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Speaker 1: Nah, when I was competing. So I already left the

429
00:20:30,001 --> 00:20:32,961
Speaker 1: Navy then and I become personal trainer back home. So

430
00:20:33,041 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: now I was doing competitive bodybuilding, chasing after a pro

431
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,601
Speaker 1: card gentlemen. And so my girlfriend at the time, her

432
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: girlfriend in the same house. Was see, my best friend,

433
00:20:44,001 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: he's a dirty.

434
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,161
Speaker 2: On us all.

435
00:20:45,521 --> 00:20:49,281
Speaker 1: So he does the dirty on both of you, he said,

436
00:20:49,321 --> 00:20:51,041
Speaker 1: with both girls in the same house.

437
00:20:51,801 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 2: But they didn't know.

438
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,001
Speaker 1: Well I don't know them, so you know, I want

439
00:20:59,001 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: to put my head now. He's he's cloth with them

440
00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:03,761
Speaker 1: at the same time.

441
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm trying to get bits of this. So

442
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,441
Speaker 2: they both lived in your house.

443
00:21:09,761 --> 00:21:11,761
Speaker 1: No, no living and living in their own house. And

444
00:21:11,801 --> 00:21:15,241
Speaker 1: my best friend is visiting the flatmate of my girlfriend.

445
00:21:15,281 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: They live in the same house, the girls, he's actually

446
00:21:18,001 --> 00:21:22,361
Speaker 1: visiting them. He's visiting them both at different times, at

447
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,441
Speaker 1: different times. I'm fucking how long you've been the best

448
00:21:25,441 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: mate for Well, we've been best mates for a while,

449
00:21:28,961 --> 00:21:30,921
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It wasn't until after I got back.

450
00:21:31,241 --> 00:21:32,801
Speaker 1: I got on the drink for about three days, and

451
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, go to deal with this now. So

452
00:21:35,041 --> 00:21:38,041
Speaker 1: I remember walking up to their house. It was twelve

453
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. I have three days of drink on me,

454
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,161
Speaker 1: I mean, and thinking really really violent thoughts. His nice

455
00:21:45,201 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: car was right at the front. So I jumped up

456
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,401
Speaker 1: and down on the bottot a few times and scratch

457
00:21:49,521 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: scribbled something across the bonnet and probably pissed on. And

458
00:21:53,961 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: I remember jumping up and down on it on that

459
00:21:56,441 --> 00:21:59,321
Speaker 1: nice car, and I didn't really feel bad at the time.

460
00:21:59,761 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 1: And then I knocked on the door and then she

461
00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: opened the door and she was standing there and she said,

462
00:22:04,441 --> 00:22:08,561
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, yeah, I'll get there. I'm not

463
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,121
Speaker 1: really here to see you. I wanted to see him.

464
00:22:11,561 --> 00:22:12,681
Speaker 2: He said you better go now.

465
00:22:13,281 --> 00:22:14,801
Speaker 1: I'm going to call the police and said we'll call

466
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: ambulance too.

467
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: He said, I'm not going to fight you.

468
00:22:17,281 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that's right. I'm just going to give

469
00:22:19,041 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: our beating. So that's what I did. And then I

470
00:22:20,761 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: heard the sirens come out. I thought, I walked up

471
00:22:23,441 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: to this big cliff. There's a cliff. We're in the

472
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,281
Speaker 1: hometown I lived in called Bluff Hill. And I thought,

473
00:22:28,281 --> 00:22:30,241
Speaker 1: I'm just going to jump off at the stupid thought

474
00:22:30,281 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: you and then go was sad and broken, and I

475
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: started looking at the sh that's a bit high.

476
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,921
Speaker 8: After two hours the alcohol wore off, I thought, yeah,

477
00:22:40,961 --> 00:22:42,801
Speaker 8: I don't feel like jumping off that thing. So now

478
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 8: I thought, well, everyone knows. Everyone knows about my best

479
00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 8: friend Bang and my mississ. I don't really want to

480
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,721
Speaker 8: stay in the hometown. And then one of my other

481
00:22:48,721 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 8: friends rang me. He said, come up to the mountain.

482
00:22:51,281 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 8: There was a ski mountain.

483
00:22:52,481 --> 00:22:54,321
Speaker 1: I'll get your job at the pub there and we'll

484
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: got snowboarding every day. Don't worry about here. And so

485
00:22:57,001 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: I went up there, but I was I got a

486
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: even more angrier. I was the angriest dorman on the mountain.

487
00:23:02,001 --> 00:23:03,801
Speaker 1: I used to beat people up and slap and like

488
00:23:03,961 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: you were slapping people a DC air and anyway, I

489
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: was known as the angriest snowboarder on the mountain right.

490
00:23:11,441 --> 00:23:13,761
Speaker 1: And then then one day I remember, I remember sitting

491
00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: in this bar and this this gang members, this this

492
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: this guy was talking to me and a couple of

493
00:23:19,241 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: different gang members walked in and me and my navy

494
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,681
Speaker 1: mate were sitting there having a bear playing game pool.

495
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: And my mate said, oh, put the coin in and

496
00:23:27,681 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: we'll have another game. And fifteen minutes to me, I said,

497
00:23:30,921 --> 00:23:32,161
Speaker 1: how come we haven't got a game, and he goes,

498
00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to say anything, but those two guys

499
00:23:34,521 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: over the table over there. Every time I go to

500
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: put my coin there, the guy goes, no, no, no, no,

501
00:23:39,801 --> 00:23:43,881
Speaker 1: white boy, wait your turn, And I went what he goes,

502
00:23:43,921 --> 00:23:44,921
Speaker 1: he dim two follows.

503
00:23:45,201 --> 00:23:46,721
Speaker 2: Those two guys are sitting on there.

504
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,121
Speaker 1: Like like smiling like this, like this, looking this way.

505
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: Well them two guys, because he did in two guys.

506
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,961
Speaker 1: I went this and and I went over. I got

507
00:23:57,041 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: the coin, and I went to the table and I

508
00:23:59,241 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: went and any guy goes like this, and then I

509
00:24:05,801 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: just went straight. First one would right that grab the

510
00:24:08,201 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: second one. I threw him out the window, out the window,

511
00:24:11,801 --> 00:24:15,281
Speaker 1: right through. Two young gang members out the window. Within

512
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,521
Speaker 1: two minutes, that head dormant come, he goes. He goes, oh, man,

513
00:24:18,561 --> 00:24:20,281
Speaker 1: what have you done? What have you done? I went what?

514
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,081
Speaker 1: He goes, mate, They're one of the biggest gangs here

515
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,641
Speaker 1: in the region. I don't give a fuck. I want

516
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,281
Speaker 1: to give him pool. He goes, there is trouble coming

517
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,361
Speaker 1: your way many way?

518
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:33,721
Speaker 2: Or did it come?

519
00:24:33,761 --> 00:24:33,961
Speaker 1: Then?

520
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,041
Speaker 2: Tue to his word.

521
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: Man, and these guys turned up with machetes and and

522
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: and and like a like a little tomahawk. I got

523
00:24:41,561 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: tom hooked in the side of my Then there they

524
00:24:44,561 --> 00:24:46,281
Speaker 1: came back. They said, we can't let out these guys

525
00:24:46,321 --> 00:24:48,761
Speaker 1: to come and kill you men. And so when the

526
00:24:48,761 --> 00:24:50,721
Speaker 1: cops turned up, and now I've got to visit play

527
00:24:50,761 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: one of the things says, Mate, these guys aren't going

528
00:24:52,441 --> 00:24:54,721
Speaker 1: to rest, Bro, They're gonna they're gonna catch your head off,

529
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: you know. The bushmen they're yeah, they're a whole family,

530
00:24:59,001 --> 00:25:01,681
Speaker 1: so that they're not going to forget about this. So then,

531
00:25:01,761 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, I just thought, well, he's a stupid thought,

532
00:25:04,001 --> 00:25:06,801
Speaker 1: I'll just go to Australia. You then, right, So I

533
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,041
Speaker 1: got five hundred dollars in a bag full of clothes,

534
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: and I've been I've been the King's Cross before. I'll

535
00:25:11,921 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: just go there and said, stupidly boarded a plane with

536
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,201
Speaker 1: a broken heart. Man, I ended up in King's Cross right,

537
00:25:19,521 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: walking past Porky's, walking past the Aussie Rules Club, and

538
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: then Hampton caught down the bottom at the cheapest rooms.

539
00:25:26,001 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: And at that time, man like one hundred bucks a

540
00:25:28,681 --> 00:25:31,001
Speaker 1: week or something, you know, I mean, And Bro, five

541
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: hundred dollars goes really quickly, you know, I mean. And

542
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,281
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to do was to ring

543
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,041
Speaker 1: my mum and harass them and say that I was

544
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,561
Speaker 1: broken and my brothers and stuff like that. And so man, man,

545
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm stuck and trapped in this place with no money.

546
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,161
Speaker 1: I remember my last ten dollars man, I remember buying

547
00:25:45,201 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: a pack of chips and a loaf of bread. I

548
00:25:47,281 --> 00:25:50,281
Speaker 1: just make chip sandwiches, you know. I mean again, how

549
00:25:50,321 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: the fuck am I going to get myself out of

550
00:25:52,001 --> 00:25:56,561
Speaker 1: this shit? I walked down Bayswater Road and I found

551
00:25:56,561 --> 00:25:58,681
Speaker 1: this park Rushcutter's Bay. They had this little.

552
00:25:58,441 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: Tennis court there, but there was this big of bushes there. Man.

553
00:26:01,721 --> 00:26:04,401
Speaker 1: I got this cardboard box and I made a home.

554
00:26:04,441 --> 00:26:07,721
Speaker 1: And the bushes there the coudbod boxes to actually shield

555
00:26:07,801 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: me from the shame. Right, no one could see me.

556
00:26:10,281 --> 00:26:12,521
Speaker 1: So I put my head outside this box and I

557
00:26:12,561 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: got hungry. And I remember this. A couple of Aboriginal

558
00:26:16,761 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: kids turned up and they they opened the box.

559
00:26:20,041 --> 00:26:22,521
Speaker 9: Right here's my head still got worse. I went fuck

560
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,561
Speaker 9: off and they're like you're homeless, and like, no, I'm not.

561
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,561
Speaker 9: And they're like you're hungry. You're like, I want any food?

562
00:26:30,721 --> 00:26:33,441
Speaker 9: And say anyways, these kids became my friends. You I mean,

563
00:26:33,961 --> 00:26:36,681
Speaker 9: so I learned the language of the street. The streetkings

564
00:26:36,681 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 9: are pretty.

565
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: Cool, man. They were little kids from Evely Street yelling

566
00:26:39,921 --> 00:26:42,801
Speaker 1: coming from Redfern and I think he had different. Morgan

567
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: in the other Day podcast We're in Prison to give

568
00:26:45,441 --> 00:26:46,041
Speaker 1: he's a good lead.

569
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,001
Speaker 2: What year was this?

570
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:54,081
Speaker 1: Use this this? Ninety ninety eight? Wow, ninety ninety eight. Yeah, man,

571
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: And so like I was walking walking in the street, man,

572
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,281
Speaker 1: and I bumped into a friend I did bodybuilding with

573
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,881
Speaker 1: and maybe he was excited to see me. And I said, funk,

574
00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: what are you up to? And he goes, man, I

575
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: stripped for that. Billy Cross is main pair Australian menpairer.

576
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,961
Speaker 1: He goes, what are you up to? I'm going to

577
00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:12,481
Speaker 1: tell him I'm living in a cardboard box and he goes, man,

578
00:27:12,521 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: you're a really good shape. He goes, you want to

579
00:27:14,681 --> 00:27:16,841
Speaker 1: make some money? I said, doing what? He goes, man,

580
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,041
Speaker 1: I'll really to check some my jingle and he goes,

581
00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:22,921
Speaker 1: I'll strip for the singing. And I said how much

582
00:27:22,961 --> 00:27:26,001
Speaker 1: money can you make? He goes, shiploads? And so I

583
00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: took up that profession. Listen, Sydney is a twisted place.

584
00:27:30,761 --> 00:27:33,481
Speaker 1: And like, I don't recommend being a jig load of

585
00:27:33,561 --> 00:27:39,001
Speaker 1: anybody to get many jobs. God, I got shiploads of jobs. Man.

586
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: You know I'm not saying. If you've been to a

587
00:27:43,921 --> 00:27:45,761
Speaker 1: strip club, you know you're walking to the building and

588
00:27:45,801 --> 00:27:47,881
Speaker 1: then then the girls get paraded and you look through

589
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: the glass thing. Well, it's the same shit happens to me.

590
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,361
Speaker 1: There's girls here shop for me? Really and if you're

591
00:27:53,441 --> 00:27:56,761
Speaker 1: number get Yeah, all happens in the red light.

592
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,441
Speaker 5: So hold on, hold on because I've never heard there's

593
00:28:00,441 --> 00:28:01,441
Speaker 5: a there's a man's one.

594
00:28:01,521 --> 00:28:02,481
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.

595
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 5: I've tried to find it so i can get on

596
00:28:04,921 --> 00:28:07,161
Speaker 5: the gas, but I've never heard of it. So there's

597
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,601
Speaker 5: one there. So you're telling me you used to parade

598
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,921
Speaker 5: yourself to females.

599
00:28:11,521 --> 00:28:14,201
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said the seven guys that were different types

600
00:28:14,241 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: of guys that were were How would you come out?

601
00:28:17,281 --> 00:28:19,281
Speaker 2: Explain to me how would you come out? How would

602
00:28:19,321 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: you come out?

603
00:28:23,801 --> 00:28:26,521
Speaker 1: Probably seventy k is not one hundred and one hundred

604
00:28:26,561 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: and five, but I'll probably been looking back then a

605
00:28:29,961 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: few scas in steam didn't wear any lipstick or anything,

606
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,961
Speaker 1: but like you know, just what was just visible?

607
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,641
Speaker 2: Do you have a clothes on? No?

608
00:28:39,961 --> 00:28:45,001
Speaker 1: You did clothes? Walk around? Make they want they want

609
00:28:45,041 --> 00:28:49,921
Speaker 1: the money, pity this when you say please?

610
00:28:49,961 --> 00:28:51,521
Speaker 2: Gotch was African?

611
00:28:54,881 --> 00:28:58,401
Speaker 1: So he came out closed, Yeah, yeah, he's come out.

612
00:28:58,481 --> 00:29:00,801
Speaker 1: You go and whatever you want obviously, So what did

613
00:29:00,801 --> 00:29:01,521
Speaker 1: you charge yourself?

614
00:29:01,681 --> 00:29:03,041
Speaker 2: So what did you charge.

615
00:29:03,321 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: There's better thousand bucks an hour? What say again?

616
00:29:06,601 --> 00:29:09,721
Speaker 2: A thousand bucks an hour? What the fuck does that get?

617
00:29:10,401 --> 00:29:11,841
Speaker 2: What doesn't keet you a cup of teeth?

618
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:16,401
Speaker 1: What the fuck.

619
00:29:21,401 --> 00:29:22,241
Speaker 2: Is there any takers?

620
00:29:22,281 --> 00:29:22,441
Speaker 6: Yet?

621
00:29:23,441 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: To find myself? Sell myself for a thousand dollars so

622
00:29:26,481 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: I could give me a new rifle?

623
00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:30,081
Speaker 2: How long did you do that?

624
00:29:30,121 --> 00:29:32,121
Speaker 1: For about four months?

625
00:29:32,161 --> 00:29:32,321
Speaker 2: Man?

626
00:29:32,361 --> 00:29:35,481
Speaker 1: And then there was it goes, they'll got my head

627
00:29:35,521 --> 00:29:36,521
Speaker 1: space got even worse.

628
00:29:38,441 --> 00:29:40,521
Speaker 2: But how many would you get in a night? How many?

629
00:29:41,241 --> 00:29:41,761
Speaker 1: Three or four?

630
00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:43,841
Speaker 2: And you could and you performed?

631
00:29:44,681 --> 00:29:46,481
Speaker 1: You will hit this thing good Spanish?

632
00:29:47,441 --> 00:29:47,841
Speaker 2: I don't know.

633
00:29:47,921 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: You should bottle things like this. Just take just take that,

634
00:29:51,961 --> 00:29:55,401
Speaker 1: eat that, take that. I'm like, what is it? Sort

635
00:29:55,401 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: of ship? They're like, you know it was like, oh oh,

636
00:29:58,201 --> 00:30:00,041
Speaker 1: I've really got a good, good way of thinking. I

637
00:30:00,201 --> 00:30:04,241
Speaker 1: just gotta think good things. But if they were ugly,

638
00:30:04,521 --> 00:30:06,321
Speaker 1: like can you have look at the little holder seat?

639
00:30:06,401 --> 00:30:08,681
Speaker 1: The things aren't be fished, then you.

640
00:30:08,601 --> 00:30:11,801
Speaker 2: Could just tune it down, give it to the other one.

641
00:30:14,401 --> 00:30:15,601
Speaker 2: Did you ever get anything that.

642
00:30:15,601 --> 00:30:21,601
Speaker 1: Was bad all the time? I'll just say I'm sick.

643
00:30:25,201 --> 00:30:27,801
Speaker 2: I'm really really naughty, you know what I mean?

644
00:30:27,841 --> 00:30:30,121
Speaker 1: I don't get repeat fingers and be like, did you

645
00:30:30,201 --> 00:30:31,841
Speaker 1: just scratch a little pig on the mirror of this

646
00:30:31,921 --> 00:30:33,281
Speaker 1: so I can look to you the hold.

647
00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:36,161
Speaker 7: And see what it looks like.

648
00:30:36,161 --> 00:30:39,801
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't want no hundred year old grinny from

649
00:30:39,801 --> 00:30:53,521
Speaker 1: blinging from from from one of alone, going.

650
00:30:42,681 --> 00:30:52,481
Speaker 4: Oh fucking hell, oh, ship, fucking hell.

651
00:30:52,521 --> 00:30:57,681
Speaker 2: What's your name? What was your name? What was your name?

652
00:30:58,281 --> 00:31:04,121
Speaker 1: Well, well it's not movie. They brought on that they got.

653
00:31:05,961 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: So where did you where did you used to take

654
00:31:07,321 --> 00:31:08,761
Speaker 5: them to a room upstairs or something?

655
00:31:09,281 --> 00:31:11,361
Speaker 1: No, I used to be call that call it all

656
00:31:11,361 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, most of the time they would just

657
00:31:14,041 --> 00:31:16,081
Speaker 1: call you out the hotel or something.

658
00:31:17,121 --> 00:31:17,801
Speaker 2: Fucking hell.

659
00:31:18,801 --> 00:31:21,001
Speaker 1: The other story I'm sharing you was, you know, this

660
00:31:21,121 --> 00:31:23,601
Speaker 1: story I'm showing it was really private because with my friend,

661
00:31:23,721 --> 00:31:27,841
Speaker 1: she she she did did my story right. She turned

662
00:31:27,841 --> 00:31:30,401
Speaker 1: around and and I don't know why she did with it,

663
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:33,241
Speaker 1: and she said, not just another another name for a

664
00:31:33,321 --> 00:31:36,521
Speaker 1: male prostitute. Ye, just you could use jiggle if you

665
00:31:36,521 --> 00:31:40,121
Speaker 1: want jiggletts better your male prostitute. Yeah, was a male

666
00:31:40,201 --> 00:31:48,361
Speaker 1: prostitute before he was a gangster. There's no shame anymore, brother,

667
00:31:48,521 --> 00:31:52,441
Speaker 1: there's no shame anymore. The book will cost you forty

668
00:31:52,681 --> 00:31:56,281
Speaker 1: for the limited edition. Wow.

669
00:31:56,521 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so what was this?

670
00:31:59,601 --> 00:32:03,881
Speaker 1: Get off the gef the glad rap stories. I did

671
00:32:03,921 --> 00:32:07,561
Speaker 1: not use glad rap, I did not use am or nitrate,

672
00:32:07,681 --> 00:32:10,161
Speaker 1: and I did not do those dirty things.

673
00:32:12,201 --> 00:32:14,641
Speaker 2: So you you, I fucking didn't know you were.

674
00:32:18,121 --> 00:32:21,641
Speaker 1: Because I told you you You told everyone was gonna

675
00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:24,481
Speaker 1: be a real serious interview.

676
00:32:24,161 --> 00:32:27,481
Speaker 2: I listen, I'm looking for a manager.

677
00:32:27,561 --> 00:32:30,121
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a manager for when I do my podcast.

678
00:32:30,481 --> 00:32:31,281
Speaker 2: Right, you can give me.

679
00:32:31,761 --> 00:32:34,121
Speaker 1: You can give me five hundred thousand of your things

680
00:32:34,121 --> 00:32:37,561
Speaker 1: so I can push clickbait till you make some money

681
00:32:37,881 --> 00:32:39,281
Speaker 1: before I.

682
00:32:39,241 --> 00:32:41,561
Speaker 5: Think you're already gotta get five hundred thousand clicks from

683
00:32:41,561 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: being a chilo.

684
00:32:45,241 --> 00:32:47,961
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, you can't be you can't be hiring the priest.

685
00:32:48,041 --> 00:32:48,801
Speaker 1: The priest is good.

686
00:32:49,081 --> 00:32:49,241
Speaker 2: Good.

687
00:32:49,321 --> 00:32:53,761
Speaker 1: Now I've resolved or given away all my bad tendencies.

688
00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:55,321
Speaker 1: I'm actually really good.

689
00:32:56,601 --> 00:32:58,201
Speaker 2: Fuck how the hell?

690
00:32:58,801 --> 00:33:04,761
Speaker 5: Jimmy fucking jigglo and then a standover man fucking hell?

691
00:33:06,681 --> 00:33:10,521
Speaker 1: Well, then listen, there's some really observant bounces on the

692
00:33:10,561 --> 00:33:13,081
Speaker 1: doors are King's Cross and I used to used to

693
00:33:13,121 --> 00:33:17,081
Speaker 1: train down its water fitness, right, and I used to

694
00:33:17,121 --> 00:33:18,921
Speaker 1: walk past all the big, big big.

695
00:33:18,721 --> 00:33:20,881
Speaker 2: Islanders in the door and this is where they greet

696
00:33:20,881 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: each other. This is not so. I was goind like

697
00:33:25,281 --> 00:33:25,961
Speaker 2: that for a while.

698
00:33:26,001 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: You're walking past, you know, and one guy goes, you

699
00:33:28,721 --> 00:33:32,161
Speaker 1: want a job? I went doing what? And and I

700
00:33:32,161 --> 00:33:33,841
Speaker 1: was thinking, I really want to get out of the jiggle

701
00:33:33,841 --> 00:33:36,641
Speaker 1: at work right and I was looking for looking for opportunities,

702
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,401
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't really want to do door works.

703
00:33:38,441 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: I did door work in New Zealand and that was

704
00:33:40,481 --> 00:33:43,081
Speaker 1: a violent job, and so I thought, no, I want

705
00:33:43,121 --> 00:33:45,601
Speaker 1: to do that. And he said, oh, you can go

706
00:33:45,641 --> 00:33:47,081
Speaker 1: for a ride board our mate in the morning. And

707
00:33:47,121 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I said, well, where were going? And he goes, well,

708
00:33:48,521 --> 00:33:50,761
Speaker 1: we have to find out. And so I turned up

709
00:33:50,801 --> 00:33:53,561
Speaker 1: in the morning as big kivy lad. I won't give

710
00:33:53,561 --> 00:33:57,561
Speaker 1: you any names because we'll get in trouble. Anyway, We're

711
00:33:57,601 --> 00:34:00,041
Speaker 1: traveling in this vehicle out towards BONDOI and he goes

712
00:34:00,121 --> 00:34:03,241
Speaker 1: both under the chair. There there's a bag. I said,

713
00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:06,001
Speaker 1: what is it? And he goes for you what is it?

714
00:34:06,081 --> 00:34:08,881
Speaker 1: He goes, well, look and I opened up. It was

715
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:15,281
Speaker 1: a twelve gage shotgun and Bella Claver, Oh, holy shit,

716
00:34:15,801 --> 00:34:17,361
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? And he goes, do you

717
00:34:17,401 --> 00:34:19,681
Speaker 1: think they're just going to give us the money. I went,

718
00:34:20,001 --> 00:34:25,761
Speaker 1: what money, I said before we're going pig hunting. That

719
00:34:26,081 --> 00:34:28,841
Speaker 1: that that that was. That was my introduction into the

720
00:34:28,961 --> 00:34:32,961
Speaker 1: dark city world of of decollecting with some pretty hard heaving,

721
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:36,881
Speaker 1: heavy heart leading brothers. Man, I'm telling I learned learned

722
00:34:36,921 --> 00:34:38,801
Speaker 1: what it was like to watch someone kick a door.

723
00:34:38,761 --> 00:34:39,801
Speaker 2: Out, you know what I mean.

724
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:43,201
Speaker 1: They'd be like, yeah, sometimes you know when you go

725
00:34:43,601 --> 00:34:46,761
Speaker 1: when you went out decollecting with unprofessionals, they'd sit there

726
00:34:46,761 --> 00:34:49,281
Speaker 1: for ages and that they'd be watching to see if

727
00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:51,601
Speaker 1: cops come and people walking bus not these guys, man,

728
00:34:51,641 --> 00:34:54,121
Speaker 1: I just turn up the doorstead, get out of the car,

729
00:34:54,361 --> 00:34:56,081
Speaker 1: just go straight to the door and kick it in.

730
00:34:59,041 --> 00:35:02,161
Speaker 1: It's crazy shit, right, And then that that was my introduction.

731
00:35:02,281 --> 00:35:06,001
Speaker 1: So that decollecting basically withhe we drug this or whatever?

732
00:35:06,081 --> 00:35:07,921
Speaker 2: I just were you that were you the good cop

733
00:35:08,001 --> 00:35:10,121
Speaker 2: or bad cop doing that? Well?

734
00:35:10,161 --> 00:35:12,001
Speaker 1: I was the slow one because the big guy was

735
00:35:12,001 --> 00:35:13,481
Speaker 1: in a hurry to kick the door down, you know,

736
00:35:13,481 --> 00:35:15,841
Speaker 1: I mean, I just sit back and watched watch people

737
00:35:15,881 --> 00:35:18,721
Speaker 1: try and escape out windows and all sorts of stuff.

738
00:35:18,761 --> 00:35:21,761
Speaker 1: Became become like a showman. We're like I wonder where

739
00:35:21,761 --> 00:35:23,281
Speaker 1: the people are going to try and escape through it

740
00:35:23,481 --> 00:35:25,641
Speaker 1: after he kicks the door down, like ou at the

741
00:35:25,681 --> 00:35:28,761
Speaker 1: windows and stuff. But like Dick collecting stories in Australia

742
00:35:28,801 --> 00:35:31,921
Speaker 1: are pretty much the same. There's really funny some of them. Yeah,

743
00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:33,681
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, oh my god, all the drug

744
00:35:33,681 --> 00:35:35,721
Speaker 1: addicts trying to escape from from bad men.

745
00:35:36,961 --> 00:35:37,361
Speaker 2: What was it?

746
00:35:37,441 --> 00:35:38,121
Speaker 3: What was it?

747
00:35:38,201 --> 00:35:40,081
Speaker 5: What was the worst lissons that you've come up against

748
00:35:40,081 --> 00:35:41,441
Speaker 5: in that in that in that industry.

749
00:35:42,321 --> 00:35:44,481
Speaker 1: Oh man, we went to rob a heroin deal a

750
00:35:44,721 --> 00:35:46,481
Speaker 1: lot of money and we got we got we got

751
00:35:46,521 --> 00:35:48,801
Speaker 1: caught by the cops. But the cops were watching the

752
00:35:48,841 --> 00:35:52,121
Speaker 1: house and thought, oh we stuff. We had to make

753
00:35:52,201 --> 00:35:55,001
Speaker 1: up a story and we just said said that my

754
00:35:55,081 --> 00:35:58,561
Speaker 1: mate's missus or his cousin or sister are overdosed. And

755
00:35:58,681 --> 00:36:01,201
Speaker 1: we found out that that this was the turning house

756
00:36:01,561 --> 00:36:04,041
Speaker 1: and that were we were coming. He says, you're coming

757
00:36:04,041 --> 00:36:05,721
Speaker 1: to do bad stuff, and see, yeah, we're coming to

758
00:36:05,721 --> 00:36:07,561
Speaker 1: do bad stuff. And they said, listen with the police.

759
00:36:08,081 --> 00:36:10,641
Speaker 1: You can't be doing that stuff. And I'm like, we'll

760
00:36:10,681 --> 00:36:14,121
Speaker 1: let you guys go, and you know, just leave it

761
00:36:14,161 --> 00:36:19,201
Speaker 1: to the police sort of stuff. But where to rob them?

762
00:36:19,601 --> 00:36:22,561
Speaker 1: But there's so many dick colictic stories. Man, I just

763
00:36:22,561 --> 00:36:26,241
Speaker 1: just just just crazy, I mean just and I'd tell

764
00:36:26,281 --> 00:36:28,641
Speaker 1: them I did not telling my friends because I only

765
00:36:28,761 --> 00:36:31,401
Speaker 1: know one of the best stick clickers in Australia's I mean.

766
00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:33,041
Speaker 1: And he would say to you, like, do you have

767
00:36:33,041 --> 00:36:35,841
Speaker 1: any tattoos on? Like no, I mean, I've got none.

768
00:36:36,441 --> 00:36:38,921
Speaker 1: They said, that's good because like you can just put

769
00:36:38,961 --> 00:36:41,761
Speaker 1: a tattoo on there, put whatever bit club you hate

770
00:36:41,801 --> 00:36:43,921
Speaker 1: on there. I'll put a cob web there. So when

771
00:36:43,961 --> 00:36:45,841
Speaker 1: they when they if you ever get caught, they say,

772
00:36:45,881 --> 00:36:47,801
Speaker 1: either guy had a cob web or you know, I

773
00:36:47,961 --> 00:36:50,001
Speaker 1: had a club name on this thing there. But I

774
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,561
Speaker 1: don't even eat tattoos. And he said, got a phone,

775
00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:55,681
Speaker 1: don't they use it? Mate? He said, send your phone

776
00:36:55,721 --> 00:36:58,641
Speaker 1: one hundred kilometers in a different direction and get someone

777
00:36:58,721 --> 00:37:01,161
Speaker 1: to ring it. So you neither shit in the own backyard,

778
00:37:01,241 --> 00:37:02,841
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, so if you're a living Brisbane

779
00:37:02,881 --> 00:37:05,601
Speaker 1: he says, yeah, yeah, go to the Gold Coast ship

780
00:37:05,641 --> 00:37:08,121
Speaker 1: in your backyard. And he said, never ever stop at

781
00:37:08,121 --> 00:37:10,681
Speaker 1: the petrol station because dumb criminals always want to go

782
00:37:10,801 --> 00:37:12,601
Speaker 1: get a pack of cigarettes or a can of coke

783
00:37:12,721 --> 00:37:16,121
Speaker 1: or something. And these cameras everywhere. He says, the cameras

784
00:37:16,161 --> 00:37:18,081
Speaker 1: will kill your mate. After a year of them doing

785
00:37:18,161 --> 00:37:20,481
Speaker 1: their little little checks, I find out that's the guy

786
00:37:20,521 --> 00:37:22,801
Speaker 1: who was wearing the hat, and he's the foes he

787
00:37:22,921 --> 00:37:25,201
Speaker 1: was wearing, he said. And then you know. And then

788
00:37:25,241 --> 00:37:27,081
Speaker 1: he say, like the only thing you're worried about, and goes,

789
00:37:27,121 --> 00:37:30,041
Speaker 1: when you when you're decollecting one as the response time

790
00:37:30,121 --> 00:37:33,281
Speaker 1: from the police station to the house you're you're visiting,

791
00:37:33,641 --> 00:37:35,561
Speaker 1: he goes, you want to know what the response time is,

792
00:37:35,961 --> 00:37:38,121
Speaker 1: And he said, go find out if they've got cameras.

793
00:37:38,121 --> 00:37:40,681
Speaker 1: So if we've got cameras, right, it's going to record you.

794
00:37:40,881 --> 00:37:42,561
Speaker 1: So he said, you take one of these. It's a

795
00:37:42,641 --> 00:37:44,841
Speaker 1: byte chain, he said. You get to the end of

796
00:37:44,881 --> 00:37:46,641
Speaker 1: the block and you throw it over the power lines,

797
00:37:46,761 --> 00:37:49,201
Speaker 1: blow the whole block out. So I always said bite

798
00:37:49,241 --> 00:37:50,761
Speaker 1: chained with them. And he said, and if they've got

799
00:37:50,841 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: dogs or they don't like aspirins, I don't like dogs, owen,

800
00:37:53,561 --> 00:37:55,641
Speaker 1: he says, and the dogs will go good night. And

801
00:37:56,361 --> 00:37:58,881
Speaker 1: we used to turn up on a doorstep with a

802
00:37:58,921 --> 00:38:01,401
Speaker 1: pair of overalls on with send a link or something

803
00:38:01,481 --> 00:38:03,921
Speaker 1: written on the badge or the stolen number plate on

804
00:38:04,001 --> 00:38:05,601
Speaker 1: the side and knock on the door.

805
00:38:05,841 --> 00:38:07,681
Speaker 2: Guy would open the door and up with the forty

806
00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:11,401
Speaker 2: five ways the money. Fucking hell, So how long.

807
00:38:11,321 --> 00:38:12,801
Speaker 1: Do you do that for crazy stories?

808
00:38:13,521 --> 00:38:14,041
Speaker 2: Oh man?

809
00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:15,201
Speaker 1: Seven eight years?

810
00:38:16,121 --> 00:38:22,041
Speaker 2: Yeah never never, never got arrested or anything for doing it, or.

811
00:38:22,881 --> 00:38:26,001
Speaker 1: Yeah no I got. I went to court look many times,

812
00:38:26,281 --> 00:38:30,201
Speaker 1: many times for armed robberies, kidnappings. Yeah, after a while,

813
00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:32,801
Speaker 1: because I get you know, they did kick the doors

814
00:38:32,841 --> 00:38:35,401
Speaker 1: down to find me, so I wasn't coming in voluntarily.

815
00:38:35,441 --> 00:38:38,641
Speaker 1: I remember, just like you. They came up on Australia's

816
00:38:38,681 --> 00:38:42,761
Speaker 1: Most Wanted my particulars up on the thing and have

817
00:38:42,881 --> 00:38:44,281
Speaker 1: you walll get in the street and the lady like

818
00:38:44,441 --> 00:38:46,841
Speaker 1: this the guy on the on the TV, We're like,

819
00:38:47,121 --> 00:38:47,841
Speaker 1: this is not the guy.

820
00:38:49,561 --> 00:38:54,321
Speaker 2: So without without mentioning names or whatever. So if you're

821
00:38:54,441 --> 00:38:56,881
Speaker 2: you go. If you're asked to do a job and

822
00:38:57,001 --> 00:38:59,761
Speaker 2: you have to kidnap somebody, we are you taking them?

823
00:39:01,441 --> 00:39:03,561
Speaker 1: Well the first one I kidnet was it was an

824
00:39:03,601 --> 00:39:06,041
Speaker 1: insurance job gone wrong and didn't one hand to have

825
00:39:06,121 --> 00:39:10,601
Speaker 1: the key. So he came for a ride, all right,

826
00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:13,641
Speaker 1: And then I was dumb me because coming through the

827
00:39:13,681 --> 00:39:16,201
Speaker 1: ParaMed of bloody cameras, you always seek the cameras are

828
00:39:16,201 --> 00:39:17,921
Speaker 1: looking down right, but the cameras are looking up.

829
00:39:18,121 --> 00:39:19,321
Speaker 2: So I'm looking out of the window like.

830
00:39:19,361 --> 00:39:21,401
Speaker 1: This is a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bloody

831
00:39:21,721 --> 00:39:24,081
Speaker 1: Mercedes beans. I'm taking to bling and get to a

832
00:39:24,161 --> 00:39:27,601
Speaker 1: chop shop right, and and the cameras are looking straight

833
00:39:27,681 --> 00:39:30,201
Speaker 1: at my face and I'm getting at to ParaMed and

834
00:39:30,241 --> 00:39:32,601
Speaker 1: I'm ringing my friend and says, with's this garage man

835
00:39:33,121 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: on a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bringing Mercedes beans.

836
00:39:36,521 --> 00:39:38,961
Speaker 1: So it's gone up and smoke, bro, if you don't

837
00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: give me a garage to take it to a minute

838
00:39:40,481 --> 00:39:43,281
Speaker 1: because it sticks out like anything ying. But you know,

839
00:39:43,321 --> 00:39:45,561
Speaker 1: I could kidnapped this guy. And then I took him

840
00:39:45,561 --> 00:39:47,801
Speaker 1: for a ride and we've got about five kilometers into

841
00:39:47,841 --> 00:39:50,361
Speaker 1: the journey and just said get out of the car.

842
00:39:51,001 --> 00:39:53,681
Speaker 1: It's a funny story too, because like I'd never driven

843
00:39:53,721 --> 00:39:55,761
Speaker 1: one of those cars before because it was a push button.

844
00:39:56,761 --> 00:39:58,561
Speaker 1: I only know on cars they have the key. Right

845
00:39:58,881 --> 00:40:00,481
Speaker 1: when he got out of the ky turned the car

846
00:40:00,641 --> 00:40:06,241
Speaker 1: off and then boy I had to yeah they started

847
00:40:06,281 --> 00:40:09,761
Speaker 1: the thing. He goes, ah, it's a Buttom, hey, because

848
00:40:09,761 --> 00:40:11,641
Speaker 1: you pushed the button so.

849
00:40:12,121 --> 00:40:15,041
Speaker 2: You can you can go now and you can ring

850
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:15,521
Speaker 2: the cops.

851
00:40:17,641 --> 00:40:20,881
Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, one of those stories Mail is insurance

852
00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:23,241
Speaker 1: job gone wrong with some some really nasty dits that

853
00:40:23,521 --> 00:40:26,441
Speaker 1: did some people owe, some really nasty people, and so

854
00:40:27,081 --> 00:40:29,001
Speaker 1: we tried to buy them off by giving them a

855
00:40:29,081 --> 00:40:31,881
Speaker 1: Mercedes Beans just to buy some time to keep their money.

856
00:40:32,521 --> 00:40:35,281
Speaker 1: But at that stage then there was a major police

857
00:40:35,321 --> 00:40:39,801
Speaker 1: hunt after me and I got bended at Badly three nightclub.

858
00:40:39,641 --> 00:40:40,561
Speaker 2: On Basil Road.

859
00:40:41,321 --> 00:40:45,161
Speaker 3: Wow, that's part one of Owen Permana's story. In the

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Speaker 3: next episode, things take a very different turn. Catch part

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Speaker 3: two next week.

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